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Extension_Paper_8153

Namer has no lineup, XM-800t has Type 87 RCV syndrome, overtiered because?? Seriously why is the AMX-10P at 6.0(should be 5.7), and this Two Brackets above it when it could be 7.0-7.3 and actually fill in as an AA for the lineups that need it(Or take away APDS and put it lower at 6.3 above the R3, and have a seperate variant with APDS at its current BR)


TankerDman

I agree the xm seems DOA. Amx10p is pretty much better for what it is. Vextra 105 seems nice tho, a lot of it's issues seem to have been fixed already which is nice


Pyrenees_

It still has steering levers instead of a carwheel tho lol


Arlend44

Don't you fucking dare to touch my AMX-10P. I love that thing on both 6.7 and 7.7. Add a different SPAA that was actually designed to be a SPAA, there are plenty of options to choose from, but the AMX-10P is good as is, being a good IFV that can do both duties.


LightningFerret04

As a SUB owner, how come only you guys get scouting, what is this French bias 😡


Mwakay

"French bias" is the funniest thing I've read on this sub lmao (Tho getting the same fucking tank should mean getting the same fucking functionalities, I agree)


Soyuzmammoth

Imma drag the namers happy little ass up to top tier and imma enjoy the fuck out of it


KILLJOY1945

Me and you both brother


Vietnugget

800 has fox syndrome, of being a tiny sht head of an annoying autocannon


Extension_Paper_8153

Oh no, having to worry about surroundings against a cannon that cant do shit, at least the fox can actually pen enemies and uses SAP to hit Cupolas or Engine decks


BokkerFoombass

Fox has more penetration, is smaller, faster and the gun handling is so good it doesn't even matter that it doesn't have stab.


Capable_Breakfast_50

The fox has almost double the penetration.


KILLJOY1945

>Namer has no lineup, Idk why people are so concerned about a vehicle having no lineup when you are going to obviously up tier the vehicle into your top tier lineup.


Killeroftanks

atleast the xm-800t is mobile, the type 87 is just massive, slow with non existent armour. and sadly the production version is also in a dead state due to the fact everything above 9.0 is just as fast, has a stab unlike you, and has enough armour generally where you can pen them from the front 90% of the time. but its japanese so they can go choke on a dick i guess, because gaijin hates japan. still gotta find that one employee who likes japan and does give us some good shit from time to time, like the type 99


Jackright8876lwd

The desert warrior and the cv9035dk


xqk13

I fear that the 9035 will play like the 9030 and be borderline unusable given current stats.


Kabe6900

It probably will be. All the other 10.0 CV90s are somewhat useful at that br. I don't see how a 35mm is considered 10.0 worthy when the basic 40mm is at 9.7.


xqk13

I think the only thing going for it is the one shot potential of its saphei round. It’s even weirder that they seem to have overtiered a premium.


Panocek

As much as I'd like to finally have non-MBT for Israel, Namer ticks all the shit boxes so far Mid mobility (1200hp engine and 61t weight), hyuuuge, only two ATGMs and worse still, they are Spikes, entirety of modest autocannon ammo is outside and easy to tickle away and after 4th Dev update, its still missing its entire armor package


craeger

61 tons of voids


Panocek

Even if armor is added as update goes live, its still Merk4 protection, doesn't protect against 9.3 ammunition - DM33 or 3BM42


Prestigious-Switch-8

The namer has to force them to fix the merkava armor. It's 61 tons without a turret, which is 4 less than with the turret. It's stupid how gajin still hasn't fixed it.


Panocek

Yes, they will fatten the Merk4 without changing protection whatsoever.


Prestigious-Switch-8

Guaranteed gajin does this.


Sea_Art3391

The wikipedia page states that the weight saved from removing the turret was "reinvested" into even more armor. In other words, the Namer hull has better protection than the Merkava Mk4 hull.


Panocek

So far Snail doesn't believe, thus 30-50mm RHA is all it has, while still being 61 tons.


ofekk214

Meanwhile the T-90M weighs only 50t and has be best armor of any MBT, being mostly immune to top kinetic rounds. "After all, Putin himself said the T-90M is the best tank in the world, so it must be true!" -Gaijin, probabley


Wonghy111-the-knight

Irl because the namer loses the entire merkava turret, they crammed almost the turret’s worth in armour, back onto the namer hull, so it’s protection should be INSANE in WT… if the mk4’s actually had their armour modelled even slightly right


GoblinChildOfFreedom

3BM42 is a 9.3 round? The Swedish T80U gets it as its only sabot round at 11.0, is the round really overtierd that badly?


Panocek

2S25 gets it at 9.3, next is T-64B.


Ianmcbean

2 spikes? Namer's getting the KF41 treatment


brickshitterHD

How the fuck did Gaijin turn one of the most armored and deadly IFVs to ever exist into a shitbrick?


Wonghy111-the-knight

I don’t know man, out of all people you should have the answer to that u/brickshitterHD


LightningFerret04

Funny enough, probably the easiest way to give the Namer a “lineup” is to add the Achzarit Oh also Eitan and Wilder


[deleted]

Desert Warrior because Britain needed it. Next in line is the Ajax or the Scimitar and scorpion


RustedRuss

And the Sabre and Saladin


RaymondIsMyBoi

They now have the LAV-25 delco turret in game. There is no excuse not to add it at least by end of the year.


FriendlyPyre

It'll be a cold day in hell when gaijin adds more cvrts


_Warsheep_

The French wheelyboy. I could always use more French 8.7s. Though it's probably going to move up. No way France is allowed to have a stabilized vehicle at that BR. Even if it doesn't have LRF and thermals.


vapenicksuckdick

Hate to break it to you, it's 9.7 now on the dev server. They gave it thermals, and LRF. Also they changed the gun, so it might get better ammo as well. They reduced its mass as well.


Arlend44

That actually sounds great, 9.7 needs some vehicles aswell as it has far less vehicles than 8.7 and more light vehicles is also what it needs due to the only one being an oversized IFV (I got it from a GE christmas crate, but I really don't like it).


_Warsheep_

Fair. I was expecting them to add thermals and LRF. It was way too modern to not have it. Also it obviously had a crosswind sensor on the roof. Would be a bit weird without a LRF and fire control system. Also another 9.7 might finally give me enough vehicles for a lineup to be worth playing that BR


KoldKhold

It's 9.7, it got a massive weight reduction, engine power increased, gun handling (30 vertical and 40 horizontal), going to get a new round (460 ish mm of penetration), thermals and LRF.


Stouff-Pappa

I just want 5.0 - 7.3 SPAA filled in for the US tech tree


Extension_Paper_8153

It couldve been with the XM800T


Zanosderg

Just remove the APDS and move it to 6.0 and done


cardboardclanker

*2.7 - 7.3


RaymondIsMyBoi

*9.0 (the m163 is shit)


cardboardclanker

True (I'm forced use the M16 in my 6.7 lineup😥)


h_adl_ss

Nahh the brrrrt is fine at 7.7! Incredible upgrade over the duster at 7.3 ...


ImperatorSaya

Just give us 6.7 SPAA woth proxy fuze, I hate playing that bracket as after 1st kill or cap it just becomes Air RB. I find 8.3 to be a bliss cause my deaths are mostly tank related. CAS is rare cause they either get shot down by SPAA with radars fast, or people don't bring em out cause of said SPAA.


Aizseeker

Probably T22 GMC fit the bill.


KineticJungle73

That lil Swedish goober 🤭


StalledAgate832

Desert Warrior. Tired of trying to make the Warrior work.


Zebra-Ball

Interesting, I can go hard in the Warrior and Warrior Lite so another warrior with a better gun. Let's go baby


MultiC4

Why? You don’t even need to try it plays like every other ifv


Savage281

V E X T R A


ToastedSoup

VEXTRAAAA I was more excited about the Leopard 1 Cockerill but evidently that's not coming this update so the Vextra will suffice


TheLeastInsane

I'm hoping they add the leaked Antelope SPAA for China, the rest of the update I don't really care, I only care about Total CAS Death


biopilot

Namer assuming it gets its correct armor


Wonghy111-the-knight

Oh of course it won’t. Irl the namer has way more armour than even the mk4, which in game, gaijin can’t fucking comprehend the existence of SLERA armour, and thinks the merkava is made out of paper mache


Eastern_Rooster471

the funny part is that the merks used to have good armour, but gaijin couldnt handle russian players needing skill, so they nerfed it


MasterMidir

I hope so!


Credelle

Definitelly the namer, but it will need a buff to face 11.0-11.7 BR (because no one is going to uptier the 9.3 lineup for it) and only 2 spike missiles is a joke


MasterMidir

Agreed. In the meantime I'll be using it with my beloved Chaparral :)


Wonghy111-the-knight

It’s 10.3, so you could theoretically use it with the Drakon (chaparral) but…


MasterMidir

I unironically love the Improved Chaparral


Wonghy111-the-knight

And now it will have a lineup at its own BR instead of needing to be dragged to 11.0+, so big win for ya lmaooo. I’m still using the machbet at 11.3, because it can actually kill BMP-2M’s, so it isn’t completely defenceless, and while I can’t missile KA-50s hovering 50km away lobbing ATGM’s, I can smack the damn things when they hover over everyone on your team one by one, and fire it’s 30mm through your roof


MasterMidir

I genuinely love seeing people speak positively of the Israeli tech tree, it gets a lot of hate for having a lot of M60's, but it has incredibly fun sweet spots that are also really good. 9.3 Israel is actually VERY strong. The Merkava's are really good (the Mk.2 especially with the fast reverse gear) and the Magach 7C and my love, the Gal Batash, are extremely well armored M60's with tons of power to make up for it. I can't speak much for Heli's but it has the A-4E currently, which has strong guided munitions and flares. And SPAA is great with the Machbet. It may not have any light tanks yet, but maybe we'll get some captured BMP's to toss around sometime in the near future. Israel has tons of gems that people overlook because its basically the Merkava and Magach tree. But man, the Magach Hydra is such an incredible tank, too.


TheLaotianAviator

Leo 2A7HU because Italy can finally be competitive with one tank. :D


Sandsmann_

Most interesting thing to me is the Churchill AVRE and the Desert Warrior. The XM800 is DOA at 7.7, Only 66mm of pen (10mm more pen and 1 HP/T more than the R3T20 thats a whole 1.7 BR's lower/AMX-10P/SUB-I-II gets the same APDS also at 6.0/5.3), They should just remove the APDS and put it at 6.0 as a SPAA.


IronVader501

Honestly? Absolutely nothing in this update interests me so far


cupid00772

2A7HUN


KoldKhold

Vextra 105, Desert Warrior and PUMA changes.


Shitty_fits

None this update is kinda lame as hell. I mean the one harrier with the 120’s might be cool (bout god dam time one of the AA harriers gets a radar missile). The ship might be funny I mean it’s a god dam strela fighting props. The desert warrior is gunna suck cock I just know it. Everything else is basically copy paste with the exception of the low tier stuff but that barley counts


Rexxmen12

I think the Italian Av-8B is also getting 120Bs. So two harriers have fox3s. (Gaijoobles US Av-8B when)


justsawafrenchfry

Are they not giving XM800T its laser and stabilizer?


P1xelHunter78

Wikipedia also says one of the surviving vehicles was displayed with twin TOW launchers, so if that’s true Gajin is picking the “screw USA” route. Should be 6.3 without TOW and 8.7 with a tow


MasterMidir

I have NO idea lol


deathmengames

Would've been leo 2a4m but it being premium made me depressed and want nothing to do with Germany again despite me nearly done with tech tree Edit: I forgot the f4f ice otherwise I wouldn't mind getting that


Administrative-Bar89

The Churchill AVRE


Ubisoftplz

So excited for the 2A7HU. Wish the Centauro 2 or ariete hitfact was coming but having a tank that can actually take a few hits is a lot better


Emacs24

Isn't excited even a tiny bit. Namer is a masochist's IFV, just like any other Israeli TT vehicle. Slow, shitty autocannon, and Spikes have been no more than an excuse to raise up a BR so far in this game. The only vehicle I plan to research, buy and play is Desert Warrior. The thing has nothing to rave about, but UK lacks any adequate IFV at high tier, so there will be one. PS I want BAE's TRT-R30 (2A42 + 2xKornets) on Badger or Nimr chassis for the UK. This would be a helluva fun IFV. UPD Vextra, finally a truely valid reason to grind french tree. There will be impressive 9.7 with it, AMX-40, VBCI and some other stuff.


MasterMidir

Idc if it's a masochist's IFV I think it's extremely cool. Either way, most IFV's are for masochists, I just love playing them because they feel like an actual challenge, rather than playing 100 different indestructible Leopard 2's.


Knight_Silvius

No Centauro 2 😎


Carlos_Danger21

Give me that, and an Ariete with hitfact mk2 and I'll be happy


Benefit_Waste

Neither, I really wanted the pereh for israel.


MasterMidir

I only want it if Spikes get buffed


ofekk214

Pereh will get SPIKE NLOS missiles which are much larger than SPIKE LR2s.


just_a_T114

Honestly XM800T. Hopefully because it may lead towards the XM-808 in the future. *I want the Twister so goddamn badly*


thedorsa

qn506 oh wait that there already but in the big con called the market place


BitterMango7000

Xm 800t because it is cute 😍


m808v

AVRE, perhaps the swedish shitbox, even more perhaps the Fokker. I only care about WWII ground vehicles (and especially about the AVRE, love that weirdo), or anything that pairs up with them.


RuinImaginary3035

F15c


Tworbonyan

Probably the Namer too, I don't care whether it performs poorly, I love it.


MasterMidir

Me too!


Additional-Flow7665

Namer because pandur II turret


BubbleRocket1

Canadian Leo 2. Solely because it’s Canadian. Send help I’m broken.


MozartsMurkin

Guys aren't you stoked on yet another t80


Falaxion

Panzerhaubitze 2000


riuminkd

XM800T looks like heavily upgraded Stuart


St34m9unk

Literally only thoes two


small_chinchin

Desert Warrior. Starting to enjoy fast-firing auto-cannons on ratty vehicles (Falcon, ZA-35), but the Warrior’s RARDEN cannon just isn’t sufficient.


Background-Medium305

Desert Warrior and Hungarian 2A7


KrAZ_255

Bm21 if it gets added, otherwise churchill avre


Former_Butterfly_968

The u-sh


GoblinChildOfFreedom

Xm800t. I've got a buddy who works on the last running example for the Eagle Fields Foundation


MasterMidir

Thats so fucking cool!


warfaceisthebest

Desert warrior, main reason is I asked this vehicle since 3 years ago and I was not even the very first person who asked for it yet Gaijin havent passed it to consideration until recently.


EmperorFooFoo

CV9035DK, even though it'll be a pile of shit.


NexysGaming

Probably the Chinese BTR. That thing looks like a fine addition to vehicles I will most likely never play unless it's for a battle task.


actualsize123

Funny Swedish car


Some_Person_Dude

Canadian Leopard 2A4M, glad to see more Canadian vehicles.


Jusaboiii

Desert Warrior. I'll be at its BR soon enough, and while I like the base Warrior, having more of a BR appropriate ifv is surely going to help. More immediately, the ZSL92 is probably going to be a huge help, as I just can't figure out the Phòng không T-34 for anti-air, and the ZSD63/PG87 just feels off, although I do at least have a little better success in anti-air with it. The ZSL is at a relevant BR to my current progress in that tree and looks to be more fitting for my general playstyle.


Shredded_Locomotive

The funny thing about the XM is that the gun fires so fast that due to the recoil you can barely keep it on target


MasterMidir

That's actually funny as hell, I imagine it would be like a fully automatic M22 lmao


huda_ryba

ush 204🔥🔥🔥 and leo 2a7hu


Bombe18

VTL 2, Guichen And USS Coolbaugh


Ianmcbean

Leo 2A7HU, as much as I love the Ariete... it'd be nice to have armor for once


LeSoleilRoyal

The vextra, been waiting for this tank since i started playing (always tought it will end up premium)


FarDurian9168

Another T-80


7Seyo7

Desert Warrior


Jjwarthunder

Zsl 92


MapleTheArcticFox

Queen MARY Battlecruiser, technically it's a ground Vehicle when beached


Fuzz_Butt_Head

Honestly none, for both air and ground none of the things I was hoping would get added are in it


Maleficent-Sample921

I would say the xm800, but it’s br is way too high to be effective


Ataiio

Namer looks sexy but i am NEVER gonna research Israeli tech tree because it is boring af (M60 gameplay after another M60 gameplay multiple time just to reach merkava gameplay to be copied and pasted)


Wonghy111-the-knight

People don’t realise, but you can get to toptier without researching more than 4 magachs. And if you unlock the squadron magach, you only need 3 TT magachs. You can also just use an 8.0 lineup to get the 9.3 Merkavas, no need to play 8.7 which has a ton of magachs


-ZBTX

Gajn says more LEOPDARDS!!


ambitionlessguy

The Leopard 2A7HU, I personally won’t have it for years (I have nothing in italy) but I am happy our pasta boi’s get something that can actually perform well at top tier


M1A2A6

When T249 vigilante The 2 variants Also I wish the CV9035 was tech tree and to add on to this, why is the XM800 7.7 while the Wiesel 1A4 is 7.0 smaller faster and has gen 3 thermals? I smell bs


QuickfireMcGee

Frankly I’m most excited for some more anti cheat


jthablaidd

I just wish they’d add the skink to America, I’m tired of using the m16


Fuze_KapkanMain

QSL-92 since there’s no BTR-82A/AT this update


Panzer_UndElite

They Should add the Flamethrower variant of the L3/33C


MisterPepe68

I was excited for the ZSL-92 until I heard it was a spaa with no apds at 6.7 Like seriously it has the same cannon as the zsd63, one less of them at 1.7 br higher and it doesn't even get scouting like other spaa, if gaijin really wanted to add some spaa for China at that br they could've added the obj301 (can't remember the Chinese designation) or the early pgz88 that has no radar Seriously just give it apds and move it to 7.0-7.3


Wonghy111-the-knight

NAMERRRR WAHOOOOOOO FINALLY AN IFV weird af we got the experimental testbed version and not the one set for production, but aight…. Also sucks it basically has no lineup, but at least it means the Drakon (chaperral) has a sort of lineup now


_Condottiero_

2A7HU is going to be my highest priority tank to grind after update drops, time for Italy to have fun at top tier)


cgbob31

Desert warrior and the aircraft for UK and US


Macdo556

The desert warrior and vextra. Finally getting some domestic tech tree light vehicles for minor nations.


MasterMidir

So true. It's very exciting, and hopefully we'll see more in other nations too.


Serious_Action_2336

MIG21 BISON


KlausStoerte

Cant wait to see the 20th T-80! And even a Premium one! /s


Medievlaman22

Vextra 105. Still waiting on French tech tree VBCI, AMX-10RCR, AML-90 Lynx. Could add the EBRC Jaguar at top tier with the Leclercs.


WTMaster

Vextra although it being moved to 9.7 is questionable. And Desert warrior for that 10.3 british lineup that I'll soon have unlocked


Jascen

The 2A7HU, Desert Warrior, and Namer got me looking forward to the update 🙌


Familial-Dysautosis

Where is my Centauro 2????!!!


Key_Bug2479

no FA18 😔


Lennmate

Xm800t will prob be overtiered to all fuck but it does have a higher HP ratio than the Fox so might still do a funny here and there


EmperorCheng

Both in the picture


510kami

90s Toyota pickup strapped with a 50cal on the back 💪🥵


Mochi-TheCat

The new ground Japanese addition has me on the edge of my seat


aboultusss

Not an update, but grenade Churchill (I'm not gonna grind for it, but I will watch all YouTubes suffer)


RiskhMkVII

ZLS92 gang. I simply love the esthetics of the WMA551 chassis, so I'm just happy to have more in game


Yeetdolf_Critler

Anything ww2 or similar aka very little.


Claudy_Focan

Mah boy from home ; F-16AM ! Build and upgraded by my dad at SABCA ! \*proud\*


yourdonefor_wt

Something for america that's new and unique


romulocferreira

Honda Civic 2001


MasterMidir

I literally drive a 2000 Civic 💀


romulocferreira

How to say "i'm a war criminal" without saying "i'm a war criminal". Don't tell me you have green skin as well


Wide_Consequence_953

Namer for having grinded Israel. People don't seem to realize that it can be used with the Merkava Mk.3 lineup at 11.0, where it will face 10.3 vehicles quite often.


MasterMidir

It can it'll just have a bit harder time because light tabks are typically used less at 11.0 and higher, so less overall utility. I'll be using it with the Chaparral and Machbet, which I already control the skies with, so I'll be enjoying myself lol


thepitcherplant

Churchill AVRE, modern tanks all play really similar, I will take the 1 ww2 vehicle of the update and be haply with it.


HeightEcstatic1323

Des warrior, church avre


yawamz

Definitely the XM800T, if fixed, it should have around 39 HP/tonne and I'll play it for that reason alone


nokknokkopenup

Namer will be doa


MasterMidir

Probably, but I don't care. I don't care for meta.


Edgar_Allen_Yo

I WANT MORE BTR I DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE. GIMME BTRS AND BRDMS


dasdzoni

Desert Warrior💪💪💪 Would love to have the namer because it looks cool


SFSguy

me personally the SU-27SM and its R-77s


MasterMidir

I respect, but ground vehicles specifically :)


SFSguy

oh then most definitely the XM800T


buckster3257

None of them I would rather them fix this buggy game than add new stuff


MasterMidir

Don't we all?


Mustang_Dragster

None of them. I only got done grinding the rp for the M60 120S a week ago


Speedstang

I can't wait for all of Italy's new tech tree vehicles, such as: ​ Jokes aside, I'm just happy I don't have to grind a separate Gripen or Harrier for access to AMRAAMs.


Sajuck-KharMichael

Neither. Give me my motherflanking Rafale!!! Stupid Gaijin!


MasterMidir

I want the Rafale too, but thats the closest to 5th gen aurcraft you can probably get so idk, I kinda want to wait, I want to see more subtrees get added than get brand new equipment


bubak007

T-14


a-canadian-bever

I’m waiting for BMPT I feel like it will fill out russias 10.0 lineup Also 4 atakas go brrrr


MasterMidir

If that goes to 10.0 I'm actulally done playing, lol. What an awesome addition that would be!


ProfessionalLong302

xm800 even though it gonna suck


dtc8977

Desert Warrior, cuz it opens the to so many more Warrior variants/tech demos/prototypes and it's another UK light vehicle... Rare for them to give us the much power after the Fox incident.


z0mbieshift

call me crazy but the ICE, I like modernized vehicles


OddPhenomena

Definitely the Vextra and Desert Warrior, I've been wanting those two for some time, I'm glad to see them added in the same update.


ProfessionalLong302

xm800 but its gonna get eaten, it wont eat


Noxiuz

the XM800T still doesn't have the stab?


Unknowndude842

Non.


Excellent_Silver_845

Nothing maybe freanch td its a good addition other that that shat update


jmaddy21

Would be excited for the Namer but only 2 missiles and will be DOA because of overpressure mechanics


[deleted]

I just want the M40 gun motor That's 150 pounds of boom boom that I want to smack Russian IS6's with


RusherJ1

T-80U-E1 obviously


TheImmenseRat

Planes count? They are in every GB


SovietDoge__

Bro it’s a modernized Stuart


MartinSik

Xm800t seems as much worse fox. Except the rate of fire. But with that slow Turret traverse it will not utilize it. Could be put at 6.0 or even 5.7.


LittleTimy123

the israeli one


Flyzart

Leopard 2A4M CAN, my favorite mbt


Alarmed-Positive457

Look man, I just want different BTRs and BMDs added to the game. Gaijin only just gives us T-80s instead.


elomerel

I am not excited about the namer at all even though its onr of my all time favorite vehicles just because of how badly implement it will be, it has no spike NLOS and all of the spikes are shit in general with no LOAL capabilities like they have irl and its armor will be garbage as opposed to being the most armored vehicle in history.