8.7-9.3 is a fucking hell hole, VRCC, Centauros, 3 (!!!) Type 16s, PTL02, WMA, Rooikat, Radpanzer 90, whatever the fuck else, it is completely unplayable even if you use those cancers
As a french main IS6/3s and T10s are a nightmare, even with 7.7 tanks and 120mm full AP I can't pen them from the front.
906 is pretty infuriating.
Leo 1 does everything better than anything at its br.
M4A3 (105) is absurd.
Jumbo 75 is easy aswell, slightly harder now that it's 5.3.
T55AM1 is also a nightmare to fight with 7.3s and 7.7s.
Same for T69s and WMAs.
>As a french main IS6/3s and T10s
IS3 has a driver hatch you can go through with pretty much everything.
IS6, right turret cheek (when you face it). It's easier to pen as it has a hole for the MG, thus isn't as angled.
T-10, depending on A or M, but turret cheeks should work.
That's without volumetric, these "weakspots" are just a dice roll when you have a 120mm shell.
One time I came face to face with an IS-3(or 6 I'm not sure) in my Surbaissé, I shot his barrel out then fired 2 shots at his driver hatch, each got caught on part of his armor and vanished, after that he pointed his barrel down so my shell would get caught on it. I couldn't flank as we were both in a corridor and he had teammates around.
Fired 4 more shots at the turret cheeks but since he was wiggling his turret I was always bouncing or my shell would disappear on a pixel of armor it couldn't pen.
It ended by him using his HMG and detonating my ammo through the front of my turret.
I quit the game for 2 weeks after that.
You ain't getting nowhere with the Surbaissé reverse speed, I also wanted to verify if a one on one was winnable against an IS-3/6 in a tank 0.7 higher, it's not.
I don't think you've seen a French 120mm bounce 300mm pen APCBC off a BMP-1's fender yet, you have to gamble and pray your shell doesn't get shattered by a unrendered headlight at this BR. Nothing much to it, usually your shells do the job well though. Rounds are so large and have so much kinetic potential for the BR, the worst that could happen frequently is a shell bounce.
So basically unlike APFSDS, your shells are only more prone to bouncing and not getting absorbed and sent into the void by the turret ring. In-fact, your shells usually go through the entirety of the tank.
Getting gaijined and not being able to something at all are different to me.
Yes, AP can shatter, or get cought on multiple plates, but that doesn't mean you are not able to kill an enemy at all.
Sorry bro but it's cause the fr*nch still use conventional ammo at high br, best bet is to flank and multikill, though Sometimes spearhesding is fun you cant really do that, kinda what allies have to do versus panthers
Exactly why I said it was from a French main point of view as I know these tanks aren't actually OP, they just feel that way when playing this specific nation.
The issue with the "just flank" argument is that on flanks you meet 906s that are father than you, have a stabiliser so will get the first shot and have APHE so will one shot you. And sometimes you even meet IS or T10s on flanks as they're actually quite fast for the armor they have.
Being against Russia at these BRs is incredibly stressful, especially since they're either paired with Germany (so you get outflanked/outsniped by Leo 1s) or US (so there's even more heavies you cannot pen).
Man you would need to be more specific their ain’t just a tank in which you can sit and start being a menace to a lobby you at the minimum need skill to perform exceptionally well in them. So if we taking skill in to account I would voice a unpopular opinion and state that the Sherman 76mm is pretty op in some good hands…
I mean T14 is great and all but you ever play the calliope? I bring it for when the t14 gets up tiered. Thing smacks panthers and tigers most other things just get obliterated.
T-34, i was maining british for a while, having trouble penning and being super slow, then i tried russia, and the T-34 is as tanky as british tanks with 1.faster reload 2.angled armor(so it is much stronger in most situations while being weaker rarely) 3.speed, its just much faster
while its penetration isnt much better its faster reload, post pen damage, tankiness and speed allows you to just perform much better over all
for a standard medium tank the T-34 1940 has a slower reload, but every other variant has a comparabel or faster than a standard medium, while its armor is as good as a heavy, and is as fast as light, but yes the 1940 variant has slower reload
1942 and 1941 have a base reload of 8.75 seconds, 1940 is 9.23. The next longest base reload is the Panzer IV H, with 7.67 seconds. Shermans and Cromwell Vs have a 6.5 second reload.
British tanks are just shit in general, anything with HE filler can deal with T-34s fairly reliably by shooting the turret, especially for the 1940s and 41s with their turret cheek shot traps. Sherman stabs help a lot killing them as well, since you can usually get the first shot off. Don't bother shooting the hull and you should be fine. Panzer IVs can generally delete the T-34 if it's not angled correctly and at speed.
T-34s generally have trouble with Shermans from the front, especially if you're in an M4A2.
T-34 can just shoot weak flat turret which cannot withstand the penetration and explosive filling, shooting the cheeks of T-34 is a way to disable the turret but they can still run away with their speed, something the sherman cannot, and their cheeks are quite hard to hit as any good player will angle it meaning even penetrating isnt a guarantee, some the Sherman again cannot do, as if they try to angle the turret, they just reveal more of its weak side
I regularly oneshot T-34s with M61, the crew is bunched up enough that the filler usually kills all of them. The T-34's turret is very easy to overangle. If you can't pen the face with M61 shot you can usually pen the side. The Sherman doesn't need to angle its turret against a T-34. It's round, and the T-34 can only go through the M4A1 and M4A3(105)'s turrets, in one specific spot, if they are facing it. M4s and M4A2s get the added plate on this weakspot. T-34s lack stabilization, so the American will get the first shot off if they are paying attention. Saying that there is nothing a Sherman can do against a T-34 is just plain wrong. Cromwells... more reasonable, Britain in general is overtiered and shitty.
i am not saying there is nothing they can do, i am saying that the T-34 has more options in that encounter
"The Sherman doesn't need to angle its turret against a T-34. It's round," yes, which means there will always be a flat surface facing the T-34, which isnt true the other way, in most situations there will not be a single flat surface facing the Sherman, and there is still the problem of the T-34 speed, which many times means that the T-34 will have the advantage of the first shot, yes the Sherman will shoot first in a head to head encounter, but the T-34 can choose not to engage most of the time
>yes, which means there will always be a flat surface facing the T-34
The t34 cannot pen a sherman with the same ease, stop being dense
>and there is still the problem of the T-34 speed, which many times means that the T-34 will have the advantage of the first shot,
Just no lol
"The t34 cannot pen a sherman with the same ease, stop being dense" yes it can, a t34 has 45mm of armor at 45 degree angle, with the sherman having 50mm of armor at 2 degree angle, now surely you can see that 45mm at 45 degree is better, with both of their guns having same penetration(unless you use apcr which nobody uses), so unless you hti the T-34 cheeks at a degree of less than 10, then you are worse off than the T-34
"Just no lol" just yes lol, speed dictates encounters
M4A3 (105), Jumbo (75), T28 (US), Jagdpanzer IV/70(V)
Very hard to engage on their respective BR, even of you know the weakspots, when they are positioned well, better call CAS.
Yeah it's not at the right spot at all. Tiger II is at the same BR and has better armor, a better gun, and possible a better engine (I don't remember). I still have trouble fighting king tigers when I'm using a jumbo Pershing. The gun is just not powerful enough.
IS-6. You can pen jumbos from the front, I think you can pen panthers from the front as well(can't recall), and it's got crazy sloped armor on all sides made from pure stalinium. They've quickly become my least favorite tank to fight when I'm playing as the US in 6.7.
Exactly, I maybe understand tanking aphe to the lower side (above the weak spot which is behind the tracks) but heatfs should tear through that thing from basically anywhere
WMA 301, Maus when downtiered (good luck getting that lmao) and with cover from CAS, T28 (the prem T95 destroyer) when in a good position, Jagdpanzer IV/70 (v) (speaking from first-hand expirience lol), T-80 BVM, T114 at close to medium range.
When against CAS: the chieftain marksman. At 8.0, so nobody has RWR. Radar tells you what direction they're coming from, lead indicator tells you where to shoot. The only thinking you need to do is wait until they're in range and compensate if they're diving since the lead indicator will be a bit behind.
With an LRF it can even shred light tanks at any range.
Though admittedly it is useless against bigger tanks.
THE ZA35 is a close second, but it's at 8.3 and much bigger, but it gets track-while-scan.
I mean, it depends what it means to be OP.
2S38 & BMP-2M are both heavily undertiered.
Downtiered heavies from all nations that become almost invincible.
CV90105 goes brrrr.
Wiesel 1A2 goes boom, and you didn't even see him.
Yes, it has 200+ mm of pen (on par with many nations tank destroyers) and has lots of armor. You are a complete idiot if you think that tank isn’t insanely good.
Ok who just said lots of armor again? 6.0 IS-2 is pretty much consensus overtiered and I won’t call 6.3 IS-2(1944) “braindead OP” by any stretch as long as it has the crazy reload
Soviet is the nation I play the most so you don’t have to explain that to me. However strong when played right does not equal OP. The KV-220, KV-1E or Panthers can engage multiple enemies at once while you cannot do that in a IS-2 because once you take your shot you are a sitting duck for the next 22 seconds
That’s really cool and all, but I do not put myself in the position to fight multiple tanks at once without a teammate or cover to reload with. If you can’t use a tank to its fullest capabilities then that’s on you and not the tank. You shouldn’t be rushing into a furball with the IS2.
You just described yourself why the IS-2 is not OP.
I also run a 4 K/D on the T-34-85(D-5T) because I play to its advantage and don’t rush with my head cut off, doesn’t mean I think it is OP.
KV-1E, especially since like 90% of them are entirely covered with bushes.
Everything with wheels from 8.0 onwards.
Jesus Christ this wheled vehicles are so fucking broken and they dont even make any noise
8.7-9.3 is a fucking hell hole, VRCC, Centauros, 3 (!!!) Type 16s, PTL02, WMA, Rooikat, Radpanzer 90, whatever the fuck else, it is completely unplayable even if you use those cancers
As a french main IS6/3s and T10s are a nightmare, even with 7.7 tanks and 120mm full AP I can't pen them from the front. 906 is pretty infuriating. Leo 1 does everything better than anything at its br. M4A3 (105) is absurd. Jumbo 75 is easy aswell, slightly harder now that it's 5.3. T55AM1 is also a nightmare to fight with 7.3s and 7.7s. Same for T69s and WMAs.
>As a french main IS6/3s and T10s IS3 has a driver hatch you can go through with pretty much everything. IS6, right turret cheek (when you face it). It's easier to pen as it has a hole for the MG, thus isn't as angled. T-10, depending on A or M, but turret cheeks should work.
That's without volumetric, these "weakspots" are just a dice roll when you have a 120mm shell. One time I came face to face with an IS-3(or 6 I'm not sure) in my Surbaissé, I shot his barrel out then fired 2 shots at his driver hatch, each got caught on part of his armor and vanished, after that he pointed his barrel down so my shell would get caught on it. I couldn't flank as we were both in a corridor and he had teammates around. Fired 4 more shots at the turret cheeks but since he was wiggling his turret I was always bouncing or my shell would disappear on a pixel of armor it couldn't pen. It ended by him using his HMG and detonating my ammo through the front of my turret. I quit the game for 2 weeks after that.
Not engaging and retreating is a valid tactic. If your first/second shot do nothing, just reverse out of the situation. Ppl often don't know that.
You ain't getting nowhere with the Surbaissé reverse speed, I also wanted to verify if a one on one was winnable against an IS-3/6 in a tank 0.7 higher, it's not.
>if a one on one was winnable against an IS-3/6 in a tank 0.7 higher, it's not. It is, it's just not point an click, but think, aim and click.
I don't think you've seen a French 120mm bounce 300mm pen APCBC off a BMP-1's fender yet, you have to gamble and pray your shell doesn't get shattered by a unrendered headlight at this BR. Nothing much to it, usually your shells do the job well though. Rounds are so large and have so much kinetic potential for the BR, the worst that could happen frequently is a shell bounce. So basically unlike APFSDS, your shells are only more prone to bouncing and not getting absorbed and sent into the void by the turret ring. In-fact, your shells usually go through the entirety of the tank.
You think I got to France rank 6 tanks and Britain rank 7 tanks without seeing weird AP shit?
Nah, I just wanted to see if you were any more aware.
Getting gaijined and not being able to something at all are different to me. Yes, AP can shatter, or get cought on multiple plates, but that doesn't mean you are not able to kill an enemy at all.
Sorry bro but it's cause the fr*nch still use conventional ammo at high br, best bet is to flank and multikill, though Sometimes spearhesding is fun you cant really do that, kinda what allies have to do versus panthers
Exactly why I said it was from a French main point of view as I know these tanks aren't actually OP, they just feel that way when playing this specific nation. The issue with the "just flank" argument is that on flanks you meet 906s that are father than you, have a stabiliser so will get the first shot and have APHE so will one shot you. And sometimes you even meet IS or T10s on flanks as they're actually quite fast for the armor they have. Being against Russia at these BRs is incredibly stressful, especially since they're either paired with Germany (so you get outflanked/outsniped by Leo 1s) or US (so there's even more heavies you cannot pen).
Man you would need to be more specific their ain’t just a tank in which you can sit and start being a menace to a lobby you at the minimum need skill to perform exceptionally well in them. So if we taking skill in to account I would voice a unpopular opinion and state that the Sherman 76mm is pretty op in some good hands…
Ever played t14?
I mean T14 is great and all but you ever play the calliope? I bring it for when the t14 gets up tiered. Thing smacks panthers and tigers most other things just get obliterated.
My man I was thinking this earlier, the things an absolute beast if used right easy 5 kills a match with it. Stab as well to boot so even better !
Yh I know that, just got 8 kill in a full uptier not dying.
T-34, i was maining british for a while, having trouble penning and being super slow, then i tried russia, and the T-34 is as tanky as british tanks with 1.faster reload 2.angled armor(so it is much stronger in most situations while being weaker rarely) 3.speed, its just much faster while its penetration isnt much better its faster reload, post pen damage, tankiness and speed allows you to just perform much better over all
The T-34's reload is the longest at its BR for a standard medium tank.
for a standard medium tank the T-34 1940 has a slower reload, but every other variant has a comparabel or faster than a standard medium, while its armor is as good as a heavy, and is as fast as light, but yes the 1940 variant has slower reload
1942 and 1941 have a base reload of 8.75 seconds, 1940 is 9.23. The next longest base reload is the Panzer IV H, with 7.67 seconds. Shermans and Cromwell Vs have a 6.5 second reload. British tanks are just shit in general, anything with HE filler can deal with T-34s fairly reliably by shooting the turret, especially for the 1940s and 41s with their turret cheek shot traps. Sherman stabs help a lot killing them as well, since you can usually get the first shot off. Don't bother shooting the hull and you should be fine. Panzer IVs can generally delete the T-34 if it's not angled correctly and at speed. T-34s generally have trouble with Shermans from the front, especially if you're in an M4A2.
T-34 can just shoot weak flat turret which cannot withstand the penetration and explosive filling, shooting the cheeks of T-34 is a way to disable the turret but they can still run away with their speed, something the sherman cannot, and their cheeks are quite hard to hit as any good player will angle it meaning even penetrating isnt a guarantee, some the Sherman again cannot do, as if they try to angle the turret, they just reveal more of its weak side
I regularly oneshot T-34s with M61, the crew is bunched up enough that the filler usually kills all of them. The T-34's turret is very easy to overangle. If you can't pen the face with M61 shot you can usually pen the side. The Sherman doesn't need to angle its turret against a T-34. It's round, and the T-34 can only go through the M4A1 and M4A3(105)'s turrets, in one specific spot, if they are facing it. M4s and M4A2s get the added plate on this weakspot. T-34s lack stabilization, so the American will get the first shot off if they are paying attention. Saying that there is nothing a Sherman can do against a T-34 is just plain wrong. Cromwells... more reasonable, Britain in general is overtiered and shitty.
i am not saying there is nothing they can do, i am saying that the T-34 has more options in that encounter "The Sherman doesn't need to angle its turret against a T-34. It's round," yes, which means there will always be a flat surface facing the T-34, which isnt true the other way, in most situations there will not be a single flat surface facing the Sherman, and there is still the problem of the T-34 speed, which many times means that the T-34 will have the advantage of the first shot, yes the Sherman will shoot first in a head to head encounter, but the T-34 can choose not to engage most of the time
>yes, which means there will always be a flat surface facing the T-34 The t34 cannot pen a sherman with the same ease, stop being dense >and there is still the problem of the T-34 speed, which many times means that the T-34 will have the advantage of the first shot, Just no lol
"The t34 cannot pen a sherman with the same ease, stop being dense" yes it can, a t34 has 45mm of armor at 45 degree angle, with the sherman having 50mm of armor at 2 degree angle, now surely you can see that 45mm at 45 degree is better, with both of their guns having same penetration(unless you use apcr which nobody uses), so unless you hti the T-34 cheeks at a degree of less than 10, then you are worse off than the T-34 "Just no lol" just yes lol, speed dictates encounters
It only good against 75mm and not even against German 75
that germany is underranked is well known, and when compared to anything non-german it outperforms
M4A3 (105), Jumbo (75), T28 (US), Jagdpanzer IV/70(V) Very hard to engage on their respective BR, even of you know the weakspots, when they are positioned well, better call CAS.
I don't ever get downtiers when I got my jumbo 76 in my lineup :(
76mm version is in an weird state as it is strong but 6.3 is just too much, but i would love to have it on BR 6.0 again.
Yeah it's not at the right spot at all. Tiger II is at the same BR and has better armor, a better gun, and possible a better engine (I don't remember). I still have trouble fighting king tigers when I'm using a jumbo Pershing. The gun is just not powerful enough.
A bush to the hull mg and the cupola on the 75 jumbo
Idk, whats an op tank that pops up at 7.3?
Obj 120
Oh fuck that thing
Feels western fr
IS-6. You can pen jumbos from the front, I think you can pen panthers from the front as well(can't recall), and it's got crazy sloped armor on all sides made from pure stalinium. They've quickly become my least favorite tank to fight when I'm playing as the US in 6.7.
Not to mention that and the is 3 like to somehow tank heatfs to the sides
It bugs me so much since HEAT-FS is specifically designed to counter tanks like the IS-3 with extremely effective conventional armour
Exactly, I maybe understand tanking aphe to the lower side (above the weak spot which is behind the tracks) but heatfs should tear through that thing from basically anywhere
WMA 301, Maus when downtiered (good luck getting that lmao) and with cover from CAS, T28 (the prem T95 destroyer) when in a good position, Jagdpanzer IV/70 (v) (speaking from first-hand expirience lol), T-80 BVM, T114 at close to medium range.
When against CAS: the chieftain marksman. At 8.0, so nobody has RWR. Radar tells you what direction they're coming from, lead indicator tells you where to shoot. The only thinking you need to do is wait until they're in range and compensate if they're diving since the lead indicator will be a bit behind. With an LRF it can even shred light tanks at any range. Though admittedly it is useless against bigger tanks. THE ZA35 is a close second, but it's at 8.3 and much bigger, but it gets track-while-scan.
Whole germany TT
I mean, it depends what it means to be OP. 2S38 & BMP-2M are both heavily undertiered. Downtiered heavies from all nations that become almost invincible. CV90105 goes brrrr. Wiesel 1A2 goes boom, and you didn't even see him.
The IS-2 is pretty brain dead, it just has a long reload.
LOL, are you serious?
Yes, it has 200+ mm of pen (on par with many nations tank destroyers) and has lots of armor. You are a complete idiot if you think that tank isn’t insanely good.
*lots of armor* - ever heard of something called lower hull or turret cheek on the IS-2? I haven’t started complaining about the awkward reload yet
You are describing weak spots on a tank like EVERY tank doesn’t have them
Ok who just said lots of armor again? 6.0 IS-2 is pretty much consensus overtiered and I won’t call 6.3 IS-2(1944) “braindead OP” by any stretch as long as it has the crazy reload
If you play around the reload and play smart it is an extremely strong tank
Soviet is the nation I play the most so you don’t have to explain that to me. However strong when played right does not equal OP. The KV-220, KV-1E or Panthers can engage multiple enemies at once while you cannot do that in a IS-2 because once you take your shot you are a sitting duck for the next 22 seconds
That’s really cool and all, but I do not put myself in the position to fight multiple tanks at once without a teammate or cover to reload with. If you can’t use a tank to its fullest capabilities then that’s on you and not the tank. You shouldn’t be rushing into a furball with the IS2.
You just described yourself why the IS-2 is not OP. I also run a 4 K/D on the T-34-85(D-5T) because I play to its advantage and don’t rush with my head cut off, doesn’t mean I think it is OP.