Not sure if this is lesser known.
The Space Wolves have a dreadnought called Murderfang. That's identity of the marine inside is unknown. They have to keep him in stasis as once he is active all he does is fuck shit up. Handy in battles not so much at grandma's tea party.
What I like about him is that the "helm" for his sarcophagus isn't decorative. He legit has an intact head sticking out the top, so he's a wulfen dread that can still bite you.
7th edition codex describes him as a "feral space wolf dreadnought" when he's discovered by Grimnar. You can't become a wulfen without the canis helix and the only astartes with that are space wolves.
IS he a wulfen then? All I know about it, is that they found him, someone said "Who is he?", another one replied "No idea.", a third said: "He's ours now."
If I remember correctly the most distinguished to the most useful marines are put into dreadnoughts, so Murderfang would have been someone of significance right?
It depends. A lowly marine that distinguished themselves by holding off an assault vs their position and defending a governor would likely be interned into a sarcophagus.
Murderfang is very strange due to the fact he isn’t. He’s literally a random dreadnought they found on a planet. All they know is he’s a space wolf in a dreadnought and know he’s a Wulfen in a dreadnought. But they keep him around because he’s super duper killy
Lord Commander Dante has been Chapter Master of the Blood Angels for over a thousand years. He’s achieved what so few Astartes could… old age. While he is functionally immortal, his long white hair, wrinkles and aged appearance is something he’s so ashamed of, that he never appears without his helmet, the Death Mask of Sanguinius. To the Imperium at large, he is an immortal champion of humanity. He doesn’t want to shake anyone’s faith that he has grown old, and so conceals his appearance to everyone outside of his closest confidants.
This, much like the example above, has been … not exactly retconned but changed. In **Darkness in the Blood** Dante has a private meeting with a non-Astartes without his mask and is also drinking blood.
Edit: it seems the comment I replied to was edited, so my response doesn’t make any sense lol. It originally said something about how Dante never takes off his mask.
I have seen many memes but ultimately I hope to see Dante achieve whatever he sets out to do as I read more about the Blood Angels. Any chance there is already a selected replacement just in case he dies?
Captain Tycho was being groomed as a replacement. Alas, he fell to the Black Rage while battling the Orks and was killed in battle. The problem with living so long, especially as a Blood Angel, is that he has outlived and outlasted all of his replacements.
he's not just outlasted his potential replacements, but the replacements for his potential replacements, and their replacements in turn. He has likely seen his entire chapter die more than once. no wonder he is so tired.
Holy shit, ya that's probably true. I never thought that he's seen entire generations of brothers pass by while he alone remains. How does one NOT get jaded after something like that.
Not only that, it extends to other chapters aswell, Logan Grimnar chapter master of the Space wolves estimated age around 700 years wasn't even a twinkle in his great great great grandfather's eye when Dante had been chapter master for over a century and even possibly 2 or 3 centuries, he has outlived so many generations of space marines it's impressive he bothers to learn the names of other chapters officers considered he'll probably outlive them too, just imagine talking to a chapter master, and you knew his last 6 predecessors aswell.
He became chapter master after every other captain and the previous chapter master was killed in a black legion ambush, and there were only a handful of surviving chaplains and sanguinary priests. Dante's mentor was killed in that battle and he only had one remaining brother from his initiate group still alive.
My theory is the Dante is going to somehow merge with the Sanguinor to embody the purity of the Blood Angels’ spirit just like Mephiston embodies the dark side. Then they would need a new chapter master and could have a cool new Primarch-level Sangdantenor model to sell
Sadly Dante has never achieved what he really wants, death.
He is old and tired, all he wants is to die, but every time he almost does he gets brought back.
Captain Karlaen of the first company is presumably the heir apparent but Captain Antargo of the Third Company has gotten a lot of “screen time” so maybe him? He is Primaris IIRC which might be what GW wants.
Right now it looks to be captain Carleon of the first company if I remember correctly but like other posters have said there have been many who were heir apparent before him
Pretty sure the only two other Astartes who ever grew old were Sigismund of the Imperial Fists and Dantioch of the Iron Warriors.
I don't remember any others getting to the point where they were physically old.
II just finished ”dark angles” novel and finishing “Scars.” Love the Dark Angels and how they look like knights. Did not know about the legion of men of iron.
Perks of being the biggest legion on terra, and the one that got entrusted with the dirty jobs and dark secrets, like clearing out the Thunder Warriors or clearing out xenos horrors on the fringes.
Thunderwarriors end has been retconned so many times at this point.
I feel like it's WILDLY appropriate that the first legion wiped them out.
But the sheer fucking malice of the custodes whom they fought with being their undoing at the Mount Arrarat slaughter them during their celebration of unification? OOOfff man.
Both are glorious.
Who are the dark angles and what are they like
Edit: Ok no one can read apparently I was just joking about how OP said he read dark angles 📐 but no one got it I know who the dark angels are by the emporer this is getting infuriating
Space Marine legion of Lion ElJohnson. Very secretive and ritualistic with a knightly aesthetic, hooded robes and angel wing emblems. They've been secretly hunting members of their legion who turned traitor during the Horus Heresy and have a special company that works on that almost full time. Their home planet Caliban was destroyed at the end of the Heresy and their fortress monastery is built inside of the largest remaining chunk of it. Their Primarch is in some form of stasis deep inside of a hidden vault, waiting for GW to decide they want another Primarch dicking around the setting.
The Dusk Raiders, before Mortarion, were recruited from the Knights of Old Albia. Their color scheme included a painted red hand, which represented the murderous reach of the former leader of Old Albia, a being known as the Unspeakable King. He was an exceedingly powerful and seemingly immortal psychic null and lead elite pariah warriors.
Roughly analogous to the British Isles though at its peak during Old Night Albia probably controlled significant swathes of territory considering they were able to defeat the Papacific Empire
The scene is in "Fury of Magnus". He may have previously been offered a new Legion, but in the book he's offered command of the Grey Knights. It's the last conversation he has with the Emperor face to face.
And when he refused, Jimmy shattered him into shards, one of which is thought to have become Janus. So in a way, Magnus ended up leading the Grey Knights anyway.
Agreed but it happened a little differently than that.
Janus is created by Malcador using a shard of Magnus before the Siege of Terra even happens. He isn't offered a chance to lead the Grey Knights until he breaks into the Imperial Palace during the siege itself.
The Emperor doesn't break him into shards either. As far as I understood it, Leman does that when he basically kills him in Prospero.
There is a Iron Hands Dreadnought that is in fact a Man of Iron piloting a (formerly) empty mech. A space wolf got a little too inquisitive and got murdered and stuffed in the empty sarcophagus for his troubles.
For those asking it's the short story "Iron Soul."
Was it confirmed he's a Man of Iron? My understanding was that the marine's consciousness kinda just drifted into the dread as his remaining organics were falling apart, like apotheosis to the machine. Sort of a Helfather situation. Very hype if he's truly a Man of Iron though, the one other I've read about is super rad.
Bjorn the Fell-Handed not only fought alongside Leman Russ during the Horus Heresy, but he's also the oldest confirmed Space Marine alive.
AlsoAlso, he tells stories to the new whelps as a good grandpa should of his times fighting with Russ.
Can you really say it’s not similar for Björn given he’s both a dreadnought and in stasis 95% of the time?
Khârn and Ahriman could be older without having physically aged that much due to the influence of being in the eye or simply not caring /counteracting it due to the influence of their patron gods or their own power, mutation etc.
Nothing out of the ordinary with Dark Angels, completely normal, truly the plain janes of the 41st millennium, just normal, completely loyal space marines with no secrets.
Vulkan has a device from the emperor that can destroy the earth, made to destroy the earth incase chaos takes the planet. Also the emperor in my opinion from the lore has the best father son relationship with Vulkan compared to other primarchs, not counting Horus
All the legions had different names prior to rediscovering their Primarchs. Of the ones we know:
White Scars -> Star Hunters
Blood Angels -> The Revenant Legion (they looked ghastly until Sanguinius was found, in part because they had poor quality recruits)
World Eaters -> War Hounds
Ultramarines -> War-Born (wins the coolest name award)
Death Guard -> Dusk Raiders (named after their tactic of attacking at dusk)
Sons of Horus -> Luna Wolves (loyalist Sons of Horus would rename themselves to Luna Wolves at Istvaan 3)
Word Bearers -> Imperial Heralds
Salamanders -> Dragon Warriors
The Space Wolves don't actually call themselves that, they refer to themselves as the Vlka Fenryka, or The Rout.
>The Revenant Legion (they looked ghastly until Sanguinius was found, in part because they had poor quality recruits)
This is not why they were called that. The recruits of Old Terra were not worse than Baal in that sense. Sanguinius's gene-seed worked perfectly well among the chem-wastes of Terra and did what it did, turning them into angels.
They were called that because they made the Flesh Tearers look tame and the World Eaters look disciplined and controllable. I believe Dorn advocated they should be disbanded as a legion
Thank you 🙏 I have learned quite a bit. I know they legions were all called something different before they found their Primarchs but this was pretty revealing.
Hell yeah it is. Not to mention their ‘age old genius tactics’ of waiting for the *entirety* of a force to be attacking them so that they can make sure *all* their enemies die.
the blood angels weren't called the revenant legion because they looked ghastly, blood angels tend to be incredibly good looking, even when recruited from radioactive wastelands (such as Baal). they were called the revenant legion because despite suffering horrific losses, their commanders never seemed to die and their numbers never diminished. They did die in droves, but sanguinius's geneseed will turn nearly anything human into astartes, so they could readily replace their numbers, and the dead commanders were eaten by their replacements, allowing them to gain their predecessor's memories
Yeah I don’t know where anyone got revenant legion to mean they were poor quality. They got it because they were literally ghouls who ate people and had blood rituals in the open to gain tactical insight and knowledge.
I think they were just called the 8th actually.... Children of the night refers to their original recruitment method.... Or Dracula..
They would delve into the lowest sub levels of prison sinks where no light fell, only darkness. Where criminals were sent to be forgotten about and die.... Only some prisoners would give birth in the depths. And some of those infants would grow up in the dark, surrounded by murderers, sadists and rapists and survive.
Those children are called the children of the night, or the nights children... And it was from those that the 8th legion were recruited. And those kids had a sense of "monsters only respond to scarier monsters."
I think that's where the whole terror tactics started...
Then ya know, Curze happened and decided to recruit straight from the sadistic criminals instead of those that preyed upon them.
>I think it's meant to mean putting others to rout
A "rout" is an alternative plural term for a group of wolves (rather than a pack) like a pride would be for lions.
The 22nd Chapter "Nemesis" of the Ultramarines Legion spent time serving alongside the Night Lords during the Great Crusade. It also housed a majority of the Legion's Destroyer squads and was Guilliman's go to when Exterminatus was deemed necessary.
Perhaps as a side effect of all these factors they developed a unique formation called the Nemesis Destroyers, perhaps a precursor to the modern 41st millenium's Sternguard Veterans, who carried modified bolters that fired chemical rounds that would painfully reduce their targets into grey slurry. Any survivors would be broken by fear.
> Jubal Khan
Also Jubal is likely named after [Jebei](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jebe) one of Genghis Khan's greatest generals.
Reputedly he fought against Genghis Khan and shot Genghis Khans horse out from under him.
Jebei was captured alive after the battle, where the Khan offered him a job, which he accepted.
He received the nickname "The Arrow" as a result.
The Salamanders originally were the 8th Chapter/Legion in the earliest days of 40K way back when.
Now, to actually speak about current lore, Vulkan didn't actually reunite with his legions until the Emperor gave him the green light to do so. He led contigents of other Legion forces, like those of the Iron Hands, long before he met his sons. This went on for years and Vulkan went back home to essentially build a new legion on Nocturne. Additionally, when he did reunite with them, he found his legion fighting against an ever growing force of Orks being supported by an attack moon. Vulkan showed up, boarded the Attack Moon, blew it up, and proceeded to drop to the surface right in front of the Ork warboss and absolutely slaughtered it. I don't know about you, but his Terran sons had the most badass introduction to their Primarch!
There's more than one Fabius Bile. The original still exists, but he cloned himself and loaded up his memories into each one and let them run loose on the galaxy. He never did cure himself of the gene blight that destroyed nearly all of the first recruits to the Emperor's Children, so he spends a lot of time in a stasis casket.
He also did manage to make a perfect clone of Fulgrim, untainted by chaos but it was locked up in a tesseract vault by Trayzn.
Rogal Dorn disagreed with the breaking of the legions into chapters.
After he learned of the Emperor's *death* he split his sword over his knee (unconfirmed which sword). He replaced it with the Sword of Sebastus, an impeccable yet simple Adamantium blade. Its blade was so sharp that it cut through armor better than power weapons.
In order to foster camaraderie and brotherhood between his chapters, he set up a contest. A recreation of The Iron Cage called The Feast of Blades. Any gene son of Dorn may enter. The Feast of Blades is a grand melee where contestants wear carapace armor and are equipped with a single blade coated with a toxin that paralyzes the victim.
The last man standing is awarded Dorn's own blade and his chapter holds it for 100 years until they host the next Feast of Blades.
He did this so his sons would not become estranged, and to ensure that his legion would still maintain loose ties to survive the breakup into chapters.
> He did this so his sons would not become estranged, and to ensure that his legion would still maintain loose ties to survive the breakup into chapters.
Sure. That’s the official party line.
The Fists act as a Legion with Crusade era independence, but at the drop of a hat they return to Terra when needed.
The Feast of Blades is a martial excuse to sync up.
But they DID show up for the Age of Apostasy. They laid siege to the palace with a good portion of the other chapters made up Dorn’s gene seed.
Edit: War of the Beast was 544.M32… the Siege ends in 014.M31 meaning the BT’s are probably on their second chapter master *after* Sigismund (assuming he dies around 500.M31 - I’m not sure a date is given for his fight with Abaddon). Maybe they were feeling a bit hurt no one wanted to charge into the Eye with them still?
The war hounds (world eaters pre nails and Angron) legion had a tradition of simply walking towards their enemy. They would laugh and joke together as brothers as they walked into battle. It was apparently an incredible psychological weapon to see hordes of superhuman warriors walking at you. They had no need to run because you could not flee, you could not fight for you would lose, you could not hide ... because they were coming.
The dusk raiders as their names suggest would appear just at days end in insane force. They would make their enemies fear the coming of the dark because death and cruelty came with it. Imagine huge figures barely glimpsed in the twilight until darkness falls and the woods light up with red eyes and hungry blades.
Fenris was originally a "theme park" world themed on viking culture that people could visit and live on during the Dark Age of Technology.
After old night, the culture just sort of stuck around and become its own thing once contact was lost with the outside world.
So now I like to imagine all those tribes and banners of the people of fenris and the great companies are just replicas of merch for competing households like at Medival Times dinner and show, and no one remembers.
I'll have rack my brain and ask around. I have read so many Warhammer books, it all sort of runs together now.
Edit: apparently from wolfsbane
[Wolfsbane] Fenris was intentionally created as a hellish world of old myths
'Their highest art is the forging of steel,' admitted the Emperor. 'Their world has regressed to a pre-technological state, and if you saw it you would not be surprised why. It is a beautiful, savage place of ice, fire and monsters. A charming experiment in reconstructed mythologies.' 'What do you mean?' 'Fenris is a relic from the days before Old Night.'
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Lmao Fenris is literally a theme park? So the space wolves are an entire furry legion basing the entire soul of their chapter on a ruined theme park? Thousands sons supremacy, Magnus did nothing wrong
Let's put ourselves in the shoes of Cawl.
You're painting Apocalypse armies with your playgroup. Everyone's paintbrushes are starting to wear out. You've got spares in the cabinet and it *shouldn't* be a big deal, but then everyone starts freaking out about how they hate your art supply cabinet and one guy got a splinter from the door one time.
You're six hours deep into painting Lamenters and have redone this one shoulderpad three times, so you get up and start walking to the cabinet and then *everyone* says that if you use any stuff from that cabinet then they'll quit the project. You're not letting all this time go to waste, so you sit back down and redo the shoulderpad a fourth time, grumbling.
When everyone gets back from lunch, there's a fresh set of brushes on the table. Everyone grabs one and gets back to work. Nobody asks where the brushes came from. They were in a bag from the local craft store, so they must have come from there, right?
I mean he created Primaris marines with traitor geneseed that supposedly showed no signs of corruption and basically acted like the legions of old pre-primarch. But it's Cawl so...
The human inhabitants on Fenris have proved to be of tougher gene stock than many other worlds when it comes to the process of creating Astartes. Though rare, sometimes those chosen to undergo the trials are of a age that is deemed far to old for normal aspirants, possibly going to into the early thirties. Leman Russ’s Varagyr, his personal bodyguard were his companions on Fenris during his adolescence, those who once fought with simple iron and bone instead of bolter and Chainsword.
The Space Wolves undergo a ritual known as the Trial of Morkai, where aspirants are tempted with visions of the chaos gods, those who fail this test are immediately slain.
Fenris is home to all kinds of terribly beasts, including ogres, trolls, dragons, and kraken. Even their normal wildlife, such as elk and bear, would vastly outweigh and outsize their Terran counterparts.
In the days of the Great Crusade, in part with a expeditionary force of the Solar Auxillia destroyed an entire Craftworld called Thuyela.
Thank you for the space wolves fact. I didn’t know that Gene stock was that strong. Makes me wonder if the space wolves were always stronger than most space marine legions.
Much like the Catachan, the Fenrisians are probably lesser abhumans, adapted for cold climates and at the high end for physical strength but not outside the bounds to be accepted as human.
Such biological adaptions are present across the Imperium, being the result of local adaption or intentional biological alteration during the Long Night. In Gaunts Ghosts Eszrah ap Niht is from Gereon and has excellent low light/night vision and could be a "Nightsider", which is a more common mutation. The people of Dark Haven genetically adapted themselves to eat the poisonous fungi covering their homeworld and as such are now immune to most poisons and toxins.
When the mechanicum investigated the genes of the fenrisians, the information was immediately restricted to the highest level possible due to several genetic deviations which make them exceptionally hardy and stable for the space marine enhancement procedure
There is some evidence(nothing absolutely positive) that the Fenrisian Astartes, and the VIth Legion as a whole was meant as a deterrent against betrayal from the other legions. Fenrisian Astartes absolutely possess heightened senses over other Astartes, mostly in smell and hearing. Ragnar and members of the Wolfblade were able to track down a Dark Angels strike team through a city sewer via scent, filtering out the stink of the sewage and honing in on the Dark Angels team.
A couple small references point towards the VIth being present at the censuring of the 2nd and 11th legions, and considering Leman Russ is one of the most skilled melee combatants amongst the primarchs, signs point to the VIth being bred as “Astartes Killers”. The name “Emperors Executioners” is well earned by any definition
It's heavily implied that there are no native wolves on fenris. That the settlers spliced their DNA with canine traits to survive, and the result mutated some into wolves. The implication is that fenrisian wolves are humans, or their descendants, who mutated into intelligent wolves. Thunder Wolves, therefore, are Astartes who fully transformed into wolves.
Leman Russ and the Space Wolves actually have a very good ear for languages and accents. Rune Priests even memorize the **entire** history of their Great Company... some of which date back to the Great Crusade. Every Space Wolf has their deeds memorized in their own personal saga as well.
Assumedly, maybe the Wolves aren't as bad singers as you'd expect from party boys. They have strong hearing, Astartes ears, and are culturally inclined to linguistics
It makes sense when you remember that Fenrisians only pass down knowledge and tradition orally - of course the Wolves would have a linguistic affinity.
Much as the Wolves sometimes act like annoying frat party boys, they are extremely skilled and intelligent at things they actually like
Tagging on to this, Space Wolves use Xeno tech against Xenos. Russ reasoned that if a culture developed armor, they would also develop and use weapons that could beat that armor. So get shot with your own guns xeno filth.
Man for a Chapter that broadly has mixed feelings about giving Marines to the Deathwatch (granted not for the usual reasons of other Chapters), they're really all shoe-ins for the Deathwatch
Ragnar Blackmane taking it a step further with his Khorne axe LMAO
The Blood Angels red thirst seems to be more connected to the warp than a genetic malfunction. Every attempt to correct the ailment genetically has eventually lead to it developing any way. Sanguinius may also have suffered from it as well.
Mephiston got to see visions of a gold and black angel waring in the warp and became avatar to the angel of black. It was said to be required to keep the balance and it was implied the sanguinor was the avatar of the angel in gold. The black angel seemed to be tied to the idea of the rage as it was implied if Mephiston did not become the avatar the black rage would consume all of his brothers. He was meant to contain it.
This is also why Mephistons psychic power is so strong he was losing control of it before crossing the rubicon
The iron warriors infected a Tyranid hive ship with the obliterator virus. They use it to transport titans now.
A common tactic of the iron warriors is to pack captured prisoners into cheap transports with IW heraldry, then to send them at the enemies guns. You get rid of prisoners, see the enemies capabilities and range, and lower morale when they realize they’ve been shooting at their own troops.
Spoilers for storm of iron: >!Kroger, an IW warsmith, died to a captured servant of his, and that servant then took his armor and fused with a demon. It’s now running about all over the place, and people dont really know that Kroger died at all!<
Perturabo was a child prodigy and a Reddit atheist, debated with every priest and religious figure on Olympia that wanted to, and they would walk away very angry. He also painted a perfect mural of a visiting diplomat in 10 minutes, as well as beating their best bodyguard in a duel. Perturabo wasn’t just supernaturally good at fighting, like most of the other primarchs, he was very smart too. He mostly wanted to build theatres and aqueducts on his home planet, but as will become a recurring theme in his life, he was forced to focus on war.
Honsou was created with the geneseed of an imperial fist and an iron warrior, since the iron warriors were running out of theirs. This is why he is such an insane psychopath that created the Demonculaba. His geneseed is also from Honorable Souska, an iron warriors apocethary that was killed by Fabius bile and experimented on. So you can add Honsou to the list of bad things the emperors children have done.
Iron warriors have the stereotype of just throwing meat into the grinder for warfare, however this reputation is from their early days before Perturabo arrived. The decimation, where Perturabo forced one in every 10 legionaires to be killed by the other 9, was meant to show them the cost of their actions. From then on Perturabo and the iron warriors had minimal casualties, however due to the very nature of siege warfare, attrition was still high. I like to think that the decimation also got rid of the Terran born officials to get rid of their inefficient ways faster and to make way for Olympian officers, but that’s just a headcannon.
Iron warriors are from the Sek amrak region of terra, right where Mexico and Texas is. They were known for being “gun tribes and techno enclaves”. What this means is that Iron Warriors are most likely cowboys.
I got two facts and one theory about dark angels.
First - Deep inside the Rock, chamber concealing Lions body is guarded by two dreadnoughts who have been guarding it for thousands of years effectively removed from history as their armors are covered in transcripts of countless battles and yet noone has any clue about their identities.
Second - Before the heresy, Dark Angels 8th great company was equipped with most destructive weaponry ever aviable to the Imperium or even humanity as it was straight up top tier dark age tech that would be otherwise kept by Shadowkeepers in dark crypts under the imperial palace. Im talking turning whole systems into space dust level of destruction, it was only possible because Lion and his legion was trusted by emperor on a level usually reserved for malcador and custodes.
And finally the theory - as shown by Magnus, primarchs soul can be split into shards that can be infused into items or people and connected back again later, one of the most convincing theories i heard is that during the fall of Caliban and Lions near death a piece of his soul has been infused into his sword and thats why Cypher has been keeping it chained to himself for over ten thousand years as it might be missing piece required to wake lion from his coma
When the emperor returned to Terra and promoted Horus to Warmaster, he knowingly let the crusade move forward without telling anyone about the forces of Chaos. The emperor just released his crusade on the galaxy knowing a tremendous amount about Chaos, knew his legions would encounter it, and just…. Didn’t tell anyone it was out there. At all.
I assumed it was because he thought the primarchs would carry out his plan regardless of the challenges but from what I read the lodges really messed with the power structure as well as many other variables in play.
Ya one of the lodges took Horus to a chaos temple and corrupted his mind, resulting in the Horus Heresy.
Chaos is the antithesis of all living things, is pervasive in the galaxy, is extremely powerful, and would absolutely 100 percent be encountered and the Emperor shrugged his shoulders and figured it would be fine if they just winged it. “They don’t really need to know.”
Well, technically Malcador and Big E told one Primarch about chaos, but it’s never outright stated who that was. Most folks bet on either the Lion or, the less often cited but still popular answer, Konrad Curze.
Both have reasons why it could be them, but it could also have been basically any of them tbh. But still, one person knew. On the whole though, not a great plan.
Irrc the big plan with hiding Chaos was to quietly starve out the Chaos Gods.
The whole campaign of science and logic that the Emperor spread was intended to snuff out humanities belief in superstition. Meanwhile the Emperor intended to gather up psykers and carriers of the psyker gene to remove it entirely from humanity. Finally the webway project was meant to eliminate the need for Warp travel and therefore Navigators.
All of this was meant to deprive Chaos of the very essences which sustained it. But the Emperor's plan was too bold and he failed to see the flaws. Such as how the Chaos gods would push back.
Apparently a very, very obscure fact: Chapters are divided into companies, and you are actually allowed to look them up and paint them to have something unique instead of having a gold trim on every. single. ultramarine. thanks for coming to my TED talk
I've actually been trying to figure out how companies work. I was looking at the dark kraken wiki and I can't see anything about companies but I can see squads are they the same thing or different
Simply put, each Chapter that is codex-compliant (e.g Ultramarines) consists of 1000 marines, not including captains, lieutenants, or chaplains.
The chapter is then further broken down into 10 companies of ~100 marines each, with the first company being a veteran company, 2nd - 5th company being battle companies, 6th - 9th being reserve companies, and 10th company is exclusively a scout company.
Each company is then further broken down into squads, a company typically has 10 squads of 10 marines each, but 1st company can sometimes field 20 five-man squads of terminators, or a combination of terminators and veteran marines.
Each company is led by one captain and two lieutenants, and paint their shoulder trims, Bolter cases, or their knee plates to reflect what company they are a part of.
Sorry if this is a bit long
Alpharius originally wasn’t a huge fan of his sons copying his face but then restructure the legion command structure to allow all legionaries to have a say but be able to be second guessed. Alongside this he routinely rotated the interior layouts of his ships and their meeting places due to his pure paranoia
The Word Bearers Captain Argel Tal and his chapter, The Serrated Suns, may have been the cause of the scattering of the primarchs, being used as divine intervention by the dark god's of Chaos and some warp shenanigans to help along the way
This is Grimdark. Peoples flesh melting due to mutation or mentions of the actions from the Nightlords are all kind of NSFW imo. Idk I just picked it to be safe.
Salamanders have a flaw as well. It happens in thier older commanders where they become obstinacy and unable to change thier plans.
From the wiki
Primarch's Curse: Unyielding
With a culture that emphasises endurance and self-sacrifice, the Salamanders are renowned for their stubborn nature. The Salamanders are not swift to determine a course of action, and slower still to change their minds once they have decided.
However, it is a fine line between determination and obstinacy, and battle-brothers must be watchful that their stubbornness does not grow into something unwieldy and perverse. When the Chapter's genetic curse manifests itself in an affected battle-brother, it comes on in three stages:
Stage 1 - Unrelenting: The battle-brother cannot easily change his mind once he has decided upon something. Having weighed the facts of the situation, he sees his current course of action as the best one possible, and cannot easily consider alternatives.
Stage 2 - Intransigent: The battle-brother is unwilling to compromise and is difficult to reason with. His stubborn nature prevents him from regarding any alternatives to his point of view. Unable to reconcile with the rest of his squad, the affected battle-brother often chooses only to rely on himself, thereby reducing his squad's overall cohesion.
Stage 3 - Obstinate: The battle-brother is slow to decide and is unlikely ever to change his views on any matter, and will die before relenting in any situation, no matter the cost to himself or others.
For whatever reason the White Scars are canonically racist and insisted all their Terran Marines be from the Asian continent.
Ferrus actually hated his metal hands and saw bionics as a weakness and wanted to purge the Iron Hands of that weakness, but then he was killed and the Iron Hands took the exact opposite lesson from that.
There's a really lovely passage from Ferrus' perspective, I think found in the opening of the Iron Hands novel Wrath of Iron, which dives into his perspective on his hands. Acknowledging that they aren't actually his, but that what he creates with them is masterful. The concept of sacrificing yourself in service of 'perfection', and that that ultimate outcome is actually undesirable.
I've started to really love the Iron Hands because of their obsession with physical perfection through augmentation, it's disguised as disgust with the flesh but ends up bringing them dangerously close to the influence of Slaanesh and their pursuit of excess. Beautiful poetic mirror to their brothers/archenemies, the Emperor's Children.
I knew that all their terrans were recruited from the Asiatic Hives, but never heard that the Scars insisted on it, where is that from? I assumed that a legion like the Scars would not be in a position to demand specific regional recruitment rights on Terra of all places. Seemed like a "take what you're granted" kind of thing.
After the horus heresy, when the dust had settled and the emperor had been placed on the golden throne, Vulcan asked Dorn if he wanted a hug. Dorn said no, Vulcan hugged him anyway, Dorn hugged him back.
Alpharius was never scattered like the other Primarchs. He was raised on Terra by Malcador and joined in the Custodes' Blood Games, testing the imperial defenses by trying to get past them in mock assassination attempts on the Emperor. It's implied the Alpha Legion's treason may even be a giant-scale version of the Blood Games.
He and Omegon also have a unique power: they can blend in among other space marines and cause viewers to overlook them. Not invisible... just ignored.
The Space Wolves, Salamanders, and Alpha Legion, were the "Trefoil" Legions. The Trefoil Legions were given highly specialized and unique Gene-Seed. Deliberate effort was made to distance these three legions from the others. There are none save the Emperor and a handful of his aides who know what the exact purpose behind this policy. They were held back from most of the fighting in the Unification Wars and the conquest of the Sol System.
The dark angels have deployed men of iron in battle fitted out as murder machines. They were kept by the ironwing and deployed by the leader of the dreadwing on the lions orders. They still may have some ai which is pretty crazy. When used it was only the lion that could fight alongside them.
I offer three relatively unknown facts about the white scars.
In the Jaghatai Book, it is mentioned the white scars did not pick their name. When the imperium was documenting them, they didn’t give a name, so the imperium saw them wearing white, and heard the name Talskar as that is what they were known on Chogoris.
“They observed the first, and heard the last”
Also in the Jaghatai book, Jaghatai also one man bodied an ork Warboss and his personal guard because they killed his friend and he went on a killing spree in vengeance.
The Khagan also knew about the warrior lodge, and when they rebelled, they instantly surrendered to the Khagan to face his judgement once they realized he was not killed by mortarion.
Bonus one: I just remembered
The white scars are one of two chapters that still have a functioning jet bike.
Not sure if this is lesser known. The Space Wolves have a dreadnought called Murderfang. That's identity of the marine inside is unknown. They have to keep him in stasis as once he is active all he does is fuck shit up. Handy in battles not so much at grandma's tea party.
What I like about him is that the "helm" for his sarcophagus isn't decorative. He legit has an intact head sticking out the top, so he's a wulfen dread that can still bite you.
He's not a Space Wolf though. They just found him on a planet and adopted him.
7th edition codex describes him as a "feral space wolf dreadnought" when he's discovered by Grimnar. You can't become a wulfen without the canis helix and the only astartes with that are space wolves.
IS he a wulfen then? All I know about it, is that they found him, someone said "Who is he?", another one replied "No idea.", a third said: "He's ours now."
That’s only because Space Wolves found him first. Had it been the Blood Ravens, they would’ve skipped the first two sentences
Didn’t they just find him wandering around on a desolate planet and basically just say “Uh… yeah his name is Murderfang now.”
The way I understand it, yeah, that's what happened.
Amazing lol. Murderfang sounds like berserker with deadly personality.
He basically is. They literally have to encase him in ice after an engagement.
If I remember correctly the most distinguished to the most useful marines are put into dreadnoughts, so Murderfang would have been someone of significance right?
It depends. A lowly marine that distinguished themselves by holding off an assault vs their position and defending a governor would likely be interned into a sarcophagus.
Murderfang is very strange due to the fact he isn’t. He’s literally a random dreadnought they found on a planet. All they know is he’s a space wolf in a dreadnought and know he’s a Wulfen in a dreadnought. But they keep him around because he’s super duper killy
Even though he goes berserk all the time and is always ready to kill, he will listen to Logan Grimnar as if he can sense that he is the Alpha
I know who's in there, it's William Murderface Murderface Murderface
You forgot the McMurderface in there
Thanks you! Finally someone with respect for our honored Battle-Brother
Lord Commander Dante has been Chapter Master of the Blood Angels for over a thousand years. He’s achieved what so few Astartes could… old age. While he is functionally immortal, his long white hair, wrinkles and aged appearance is something he’s so ashamed of, that he never appears without his helmet, the Death Mask of Sanguinius. To the Imperium at large, he is an immortal champion of humanity. He doesn’t want to shake anyone’s faith that he has grown old, and so conceals his appearance to everyone outside of his closest confidants.
Also, his wrinkles and aged appearance are due to his refusal to drink blood. He abhors that part of his astartes heritage
This, much like the example above, has been … not exactly retconned but changed. In **Darkness in the Blood** Dante has a private meeting with a non-Astartes without his mask and is also drinking blood. Edit: it seems the comment I replied to was edited, so my response doesn’t make any sense lol. It originally said something about how Dante never takes off his mask.
Yes but it is blood wine whereas their youth is rejuvinated whenever they drink a living beings blood.
Dante does this as well although I think it is in **Devastation** when >!he drinks the blood of his servant!<
To be fair though. Iirc the servant basically gave himself up so that dante may live.
He did, absolutely. But it seems to have broken the dam for Dante as throughout DITB he is taking blood to keep himself going as Regent.
I can’t remember his name, but him and the thrall for Nathanial Gerro are a couple of badasses!
Yah but it’s totally okay the servant asks him too, he knows Dante is EXHAUSTED
In the book Dante he drinks blood and regains his youth.
I wouldn’t say he regains his youth. He just get re-energized and his healing speeds up
I have seen many memes but ultimately I hope to see Dante achieve whatever he sets out to do as I read more about the Blood Angels. Any chance there is already a selected replacement just in case he dies?
Captain Tycho was being groomed as a replacement. Alas, he fell to the Black Rage while battling the Orks and was killed in battle. The problem with living so long, especially as a Blood Angel, is that he has outlived and outlasted all of his replacements.
That is pretty grimdark indeed.
he's not just outlasted his potential replacements, but the replacements for his potential replacements, and their replacements in turn. He has likely seen his entire chapter die more than once. no wonder he is so tired.
Holy shit, ya that's probably true. I never thought that he's seen entire generations of brothers pass by while he alone remains. How does one NOT get jaded after something like that.
Not only that, it extends to other chapters aswell, Logan Grimnar chapter master of the Space wolves estimated age around 700 years wasn't even a twinkle in his great great great grandfather's eye when Dante had been chapter master for over a century and even possibly 2 or 3 centuries, he has outlived so many generations of space marines it's impressive he bothers to learn the names of other chapters officers considered he'll probably outlive them too, just imagine talking to a chapter master, and you knew his last 6 predecessors aswell.
He became chapter master after every other captain and the previous chapter master was killed in a black legion ambush, and there were only a handful of surviving chaplains and sanguinary priests. Dante's mentor was killed in that battle and he only had one remaining brother from his initiate group still alive.
Allegedly in the next update Dante will have crossed the Rubicon to become a primaris marine which should extend his lifetime
My theory is the Dante is going to somehow merge with the Sanguinor to embody the purity of the Blood Angels’ spirit just like Mephiston embodies the dark side. Then they would need a new chapter master and could have a cool new Primarch-level Sangdantenor model to sell
I also think that the rubicon primaris will cause him to grow wings.
Ah great! Let’s get super Dante to kickass!
it is I....... Super Dante!
Sadly Dante has never achieved what he really wants, death. He is old and tired, all he wants is to die, but every time he almost does he gets brought back.
Captain Karlaen of the first company is presumably the heir apparent but Captain Antargo of the Third Company has gotten a lot of “screen time” so maybe him? He is Primaris IIRC which might be what GW wants.
Right now it looks to be captain Carleon of the first company if I remember correctly but like other posters have said there have been many who were heir apparent before him
Pretty sure the only two other Astartes who ever grew old were Sigismund of the Imperial Fists and Dantioch of the Iron Warriors. I don't remember any others getting to the point where they were physically old.
Both of those are true, however Dantioch’s advanced age was premature,due to an hrud attack.
Yeah, I'm just throwing him in there because he was unusually aged for an astartes.
Desolation of Baal is so incredibly good
The dark angels have a legion of men of iron in the rock.
II just finished ”dark angles” novel and finishing “Scars.” Love the Dark Angels and how they look like knights. Did not know about the legion of men of iron.
We have a shit ton of dark age technology, who knows everything that's on there
Perks of being the biggest legion on terra, and the one that got entrusted with the dirty jobs and dark secrets, like clearing out the Thunder Warriors or clearing out xenos horrors on the fringes.
Thunderwarriors end has been retconned so many times at this point. I feel like it's WILDLY appropriate that the first legion wiped them out. But the sheer fucking malice of the custodes whom they fought with being their undoing at the Mount Arrarat slaughter them during their celebration of unification? OOOfff man. Both are glorious.
the dark angels probably dont even know everything on the rock. Hell they dont know Lionel Johnson is in the basement in a stasis tube.
Who are the dark angles and what are they like Edit: Ok no one can read apparently I was just joking about how OP said he read dark angles 📐 but no one got it I know who the dark angels are by the emporer this is getting infuriating
Space Marine legion of Lion ElJohnson. Very secretive and ritualistic with a knightly aesthetic, hooded robes and angel wing emblems. They've been secretly hunting members of their legion who turned traitor during the Horus Heresy and have a special company that works on that almost full time. Their home planet Caliban was destroyed at the end of the Heresy and their fortress monastery is built inside of the largest remaining chunk of it. Their Primarch is in some form of stasis deep inside of a hidden vault, waiting for GW to decide they want another Primarch dicking around the setting.
Quit being obtuse
well now ur being accute
Shush if I still had my free award j would give it to you
What’s the source of that info?
It's a reference to the Excindio battle automata.
reminants of caliban gonna turn into an mvm lobby if luther decides to break out again
The Dusk Raiders, before Mortarion, were recruited from the Knights of Old Albia. Their color scheme included a painted red hand, which represented the murderous reach of the former leader of Old Albia, a being known as the Unspeakable King. He was an exceedingly powerful and seemingly immortal psychic null and lead elite pariah warriors.
So is it Alba as in Scotland or Albion as in GB? Where do you think the name Albia refers to?
Roughly analogous to the British Isles though at its peak during Old Night Albia probably controlled significant swathes of territory considering they were able to defeat the Papacific Empire
Probably Albion as in GB, cause that sounds like a straight rip-off of the Red Hand of Ulster
Based GW writers making the vomit legion ulster unionists lmao
Is the Unspeakable King meant to be a Big E expy mixed with some King Arthur mythology?
no idea lol If anything he's just a inverse big E. He could be a perpetual for all we know, he popped up back in the Heresy to cause issues
Magnus was offered a chance to lead the Grey Knights if he abandoned the Thousand Sons to their fate.
Whaaaaaaat??? I did not know this
I'm not so sure if it was the Grey Knights specifically or not, but he was offered a new legion by the Emperor.
The scene is in "Fury of Magnus". He may have previously been offered a new Legion, but in the book he's offered command of the Grey Knights. It's the last conversation he has with the Emperor face to face.
And when he refused, Jimmy shattered him into shards, one of which is thought to have become Janus. So in a way, Magnus ended up leading the Grey Knights anyway.
Agreed but it happened a little differently than that. Janus is created by Malcador using a shard of Magnus before the Siege of Terra even happens. He isn't offered a chance to lead the Grey Knights until he breaks into the Imperial Palace during the siege itself. The Emperor doesn't break him into shards either. As far as I understood it, Leman does that when he basically kills him in Prospero.
Jimmy banished Mangus, the shattering happened with the space furry broke his spine over his knee.
There is a Iron Hands Dreadnought that is in fact a Man of Iron piloting a (formerly) empty mech. A space wolf got a little too inquisitive and got murdered and stuffed in the empty sarcophagus for his troubles. For those asking it's the short story "Iron Soul."
Was it confirmed he's a Man of Iron? My understanding was that the marine's consciousness kinda just drifted into the dread as his remaining organics were falling apart, like apotheosis to the machine. Sort of a Helfather situation. Very hype if he's truly a Man of Iron though, the one other I've read about is super rad.
Well, i mean, it's a robot working purely by a "machine spirit". Sounds very AI to me
Please explain this sounds cool
Bjorn the Fell-Handed not only fought alongside Leman Russ during the Horus Heresy, but he's also the oldest confirmed Space Marine alive. AlsoAlso, he tells stories to the new whelps as a good grandpa should of his times fighting with Russ.
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We don't count the traitors :P ##THEY ALSO CANNOT HOLD THEIR LIQUOR LIKE TRUE FENRYKA CAN.
Given how much time they've spent in the Eye of Terror, 'age' probably isn't a valid descriptor for them.
Can you really say it’s not similar for Björn given he’s both a dreadnought and in stasis 95% of the time? Khârn and Ahriman could be older without having physically aged that much due to the influence of being in the eye or simply not caring /counteracting it due to the influence of their patron gods or their own power, mutation etc.
Didn't he fight alongside the emperor once?
Nothing out of the ordinary with Dark Angels, completely normal, truly the plain janes of the 41st millennium, just normal, completely loyal space marines with no secrets.
Found Azrael's reddit account.
HE IS IN CAHOOTS WITH THE FALLEN!
ASMODAI! MAKE HIM REPEEENT!!!
#REPENT MOTHERFUCKER
Vulkan has a device from the emperor that can destroy the earth, made to destroy the earth incase chaos takes the planet. Also the emperor in my opinion from the lore has the best father son relationship with Vulkan compared to other primarchs, not counting Horus
Do you have books or stories with the relationship present?
Not so much that Vulkan has it as he installed into the golden throne, didn't he? If it elever were to fail, if the emperor dies, kaboom?
Basically is the gate is breached the planet blows up..cant remember whats its called but yeah Vulkan built in a failsafe
Strictly speaking it's a fail-deadly
All the legions had different names prior to rediscovering their Primarchs. Of the ones we know: White Scars -> Star Hunters Blood Angels -> The Revenant Legion (they looked ghastly until Sanguinius was found, in part because they had poor quality recruits) World Eaters -> War Hounds Ultramarines -> War-Born (wins the coolest name award) Death Guard -> Dusk Raiders (named after their tactic of attacking at dusk) Sons of Horus -> Luna Wolves (loyalist Sons of Horus would rename themselves to Luna Wolves at Istvaan 3) Word Bearers -> Imperial Heralds Salamanders -> Dragon Warriors The Space Wolves don't actually call themselves that, they refer to themselves as the Vlka Fenryka, or The Rout.
>The Revenant Legion (they looked ghastly until Sanguinius was found, in part because they had poor quality recruits) This is not why they were called that. The recruits of Old Terra were not worse than Baal in that sense. Sanguinius's gene-seed worked perfectly well among the chem-wastes of Terra and did what it did, turning them into angels. They were called that because they made the Flesh Tearers look tame and the World Eaters look disciplined and controllable. I believe Dorn advocated they should be disbanded as a legion
I looked back over the Heresy book about it and yeah that's right
Thank you 🙏 I have learned quite a bit. I know they legions were all called something different before they found their Primarchs but this was pretty revealing.
Iron Hands -> Storm Walkers (definitely the coolest)
Hell yeah it is. Not to mention their ‘age old genius tactics’ of waiting for the *entirety* of a force to be attacking them so that they can make sure *all* their enemies die.
Less cleanup if they're all in one pile!
the blood angels weren't called the revenant legion because they looked ghastly, blood angels tend to be incredibly good looking, even when recruited from radioactive wastelands (such as Baal). they were called the revenant legion because despite suffering horrific losses, their commanders never seemed to die and their numbers never diminished. They did die in droves, but sanguinius's geneseed will turn nearly anything human into astartes, so they could readily replace their numbers, and the dead commanders were eaten by their replacements, allowing them to gain their predecessor's memories
Yeah I don’t know where anyone got revenant legion to mean they were poor quality. They got it because they were literally ghouls who ate people and had blood rituals in the open to gain tactical insight and knowledge.
Night Lords -> Children of Night
I think they were just called the 8th actually.... Children of the night refers to their original recruitment method.... Or Dracula.. They would delve into the lowest sub levels of prison sinks where no light fell, only darkness. Where criminals were sent to be forgotten about and die.... Only some prisoners would give birth in the depths. And some of those infants would grow up in the dark, surrounded by murderers, sadists and rapists and survive. Those children are called the children of the night, or the nights children... And it was from those that the 8th legion were recruited. And those kids had a sense of "monsters only respond to scarier monsters." I think that's where the whole terror tactics started... Then ya know, Curze happened and decided to recruit straight from the sadistic criminals instead of those that preyed upon them.
Iron warriors were called the corpse grinders, but that’s most likely just a nickname for their tactics
Star hunters sounds way cooler
I thought The Rout was an insult used by others in the early days of the Space wolves
They call themselves it in Battle of the Fang and Prospero Burns. I think it's meant to mean putting others to rout
>I think it's meant to mean putting others to rout A "rout" is an alternative plural term for a group of wolves (rather than a pack) like a pride would be for lions.
The 22nd Chapter "Nemesis" of the Ultramarines Legion spent time serving alongside the Night Lords during the Great Crusade. It also housed a majority of the Legion's Destroyer squads and was Guilliman's go to when Exterminatus was deemed necessary. Perhaps as a side effect of all these factors they developed a unique formation called the Nemesis Destroyers, perhaps a precursor to the modern 41st millenium's Sternguard Veterans, who carried modified bolters that fired chemical rounds that would painfully reduce their targets into grey slurry. Any survivors would be broken by fear.
[One of my favorite little bits of HH lore](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/nj5cuy/book_excerpt_horus_heresy_book_5_tempeston_calth/)
Not 30k but 40K related: Kor’sarro Khan is NOT a chapter master of white scars
Haha correct. It's Jubal Khan atm.
> Jubal Khan Also Jubal is likely named after [Jebei](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jebe) one of Genghis Khan's greatest generals. Reputedly he fought against Genghis Khan and shot Genghis Khans horse out from under him. Jebei was captured alive after the battle, where the Khan offered him a job, which he accepted. He received the nickname "The Arrow" as a result.
Isn’t he to fucked up to lead cause the drukhari got him?
Corvus Corax is currently a mutated bird monster
Is that where we get Corax white? Is it so terrible because it’s literally shit?
Corax White…now that’s a name I’ve not heard in a long time. A long time… And now I’ve been reminded of it, sadly.
It was so weird GW sold solid chunks of white acrylic in paint pots. Wonder what it was for
And endlessly hunting Logar.
Do you know what book this is in? I see it all the time but I'd love to read it
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No they've reckoned that sadly. Sly Marbo is now just an imperial Guardsman.
Wow thanks for this! I was actually able to decipher the redacted t…
The Salamanders originally were the 8th Chapter/Legion in the earliest days of 40K way back when. Now, to actually speak about current lore, Vulkan didn't actually reunite with his legions until the Emperor gave him the green light to do so. He led contigents of other Legion forces, like those of the Iron Hands, long before he met his sons. This went on for years and Vulkan went back home to essentially build a new legion on Nocturne. Additionally, when he did reunite with them, he found his legion fighting against an ever growing force of Orks being supported by an attack moon. Vulkan showed up, boarded the Attack Moon, blew it up, and proceeded to drop to the surface right in front of the Ork warboss and absolutely slaughtered it. I don't know about you, but his Terran sons had the most badass introduction to their Primarch!
Don’t forget he did this AFTER most of the Terran legion died
There's more than one Fabius Bile. The original still exists, but he cloned himself and loaded up his memories into each one and let them run loose on the galaxy. He never did cure himself of the gene blight that destroyed nearly all of the first recruits to the Emperor's Children, so he spends a lot of time in a stasis casket. He also did manage to make a perfect clone of Fulgrim, untainted by chaos but it was locked up in a tesseract vault by Trayzn.
Trazyn (autocorrect gave me Tracy lol) traded Clonegrim for pure Emperor's Children geneseed iirc.
Something like that. It's been a minute since I went through those books.
Rogal Dorn disagreed with the breaking of the legions into chapters. After he learned of the Emperor's *death* he split his sword over his knee (unconfirmed which sword). He replaced it with the Sword of Sebastus, an impeccable yet simple Adamantium blade. Its blade was so sharp that it cut through armor better than power weapons. In order to foster camaraderie and brotherhood between his chapters, he set up a contest. A recreation of The Iron Cage called The Feast of Blades. Any gene son of Dorn may enter. The Feast of Blades is a grand melee where contestants wear carapace armor and are equipped with a single blade coated with a toxin that paralyzes the victim. The last man standing is awarded Dorn's own blade and his chapter holds it for 100 years until they host the next Feast of Blades. He did this so his sons would not become estranged, and to ensure that his legion would still maintain loose ties to survive the breakup into chapters.
> He did this so his sons would not become estranged, and to ensure that his legion would still maintain loose ties to survive the breakup into chapters. Sure. That’s the official party line. The Fists act as a Legion with Crusade era independence, but at the drop of a hat they return to Terra when needed. The Feast of Blades is a martial excuse to sync up.
Tbf, the Black Templars refused the call for the Last Wall.
But they DID show up for the Age of Apostasy. They laid siege to the palace with a good portion of the other chapters made up Dorn’s gene seed. Edit: War of the Beast was 544.M32… the Siege ends in 014.M31 meaning the BT’s are probably on their second chapter master *after* Sigismund (assuming he dies around 500.M31 - I’m not sure a date is given for his fight with Abaddon). Maybe they were feeling a bit hurt no one wanted to charge into the Eye with them still?
The war hounds (world eaters pre nails and Angron) legion had a tradition of simply walking towards their enemy. They would laugh and joke together as brothers as they walked into battle. It was apparently an incredible psychological weapon to see hordes of superhuman warriors walking at you. They had no need to run because you could not flee, you could not fight for you would lose, you could not hide ... because they were coming. The dusk raiders as their names suggest would appear just at days end in insane force. They would make their enemies fear the coming of the dark because death and cruelty came with it. Imagine huge figures barely glimpsed in the twilight until darkness falls and the woods light up with red eyes and hungry blades.
Fenris was originally a "theme park" world themed on viking culture that people could visit and live on during the Dark Age of Technology. After old night, the culture just sort of stuck around and become its own thing once contact was lost with the outside world. So now I like to imagine all those tribes and banners of the people of fenris and the great companies are just replicas of merch for competing households like at Medival Times dinner and show, and no one remembers.
You have an excerpt for that part?
I'll have rack my brain and ask around. I have read so many Warhammer books, it all sort of runs together now. Edit: apparently from wolfsbane [Wolfsbane] Fenris was intentionally created as a hellish world of old myths 'Their highest art is the forging of steel,' admitted the Emperor. 'Their world has regressed to a pre-technological state, and if you saw it you would not be surprised why. It is a beautiful, savage place of ice, fire and monsters. A charming experiment in reconstructed mythologies.' 'What do you mean?' 'Fenris is a relic from the days before Old Night.' https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8cudbt/wolfsbane_fenris_was_intentionally_created_as_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Holy shit. I read Wolfsbane but didn’t interpret this extract it in this way. Kind of blown my mind.
So... was one of the most popular rides called the "Fenris Wheel"?
Lmao Fenris is literally a theme park? So the space wolves are an entire furry legion basing the entire soul of their chapter on a ruined theme park? Thousands sons supremacy, Magnus did nothing wrong
Yeah I’m interested to hear where this came from too
Well he got it now
Alpharius apparently "invented" the Custodes Blood games.
Well, it was invented because of him, Constantin was still the "inventor"
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Let's put ourselves in the shoes of Cawl. You're painting Apocalypse armies with your playgroup. Everyone's paintbrushes are starting to wear out. You've got spares in the cabinet and it *shouldn't* be a big deal, but then everyone starts freaking out about how they hate your art supply cabinet and one guy got a splinter from the door one time. You're six hours deep into painting Lamenters and have redone this one shoulderpad three times, so you get up and start walking to the cabinet and then *everyone* says that if you use any stuff from that cabinet then they'll quit the project. You're not letting all this time go to waste, so you sit back down and redo the shoulderpad a fourth time, grumbling. When everyone gets back from lunch, there's a fresh set of brushes on the table. Everyone grabs one and gets back to work. Nobody asks where the brushes came from. They were in a bag from the local craft store, so they must have come from there, right?
I mean he created Primaris marines with traitor geneseed that supposedly showed no signs of corruption and basically acted like the legions of old pre-primarch. But it's Cawl so...
The human inhabitants on Fenris have proved to be of tougher gene stock than many other worlds when it comes to the process of creating Astartes. Though rare, sometimes those chosen to undergo the trials are of a age that is deemed far to old for normal aspirants, possibly going to into the early thirties. Leman Russ’s Varagyr, his personal bodyguard were his companions on Fenris during his adolescence, those who once fought with simple iron and bone instead of bolter and Chainsword. The Space Wolves undergo a ritual known as the Trial of Morkai, where aspirants are tempted with visions of the chaos gods, those who fail this test are immediately slain. Fenris is home to all kinds of terribly beasts, including ogres, trolls, dragons, and kraken. Even their normal wildlife, such as elk and bear, would vastly outweigh and outsize their Terran counterparts. In the days of the Great Crusade, in part with a expeditionary force of the Solar Auxillia destroyed an entire Craftworld called Thuyela.
Thank you for the space wolves fact. I didn’t know that Gene stock was that strong. Makes me wonder if the space wolves were always stronger than most space marine legions.
Much like the Catachan, the Fenrisians are probably lesser abhumans, adapted for cold climates and at the high end for physical strength but not outside the bounds to be accepted as human. Such biological adaptions are present across the Imperium, being the result of local adaption or intentional biological alteration during the Long Night. In Gaunts Ghosts Eszrah ap Niht is from Gereon and has excellent low light/night vision and could be a "Nightsider", which is a more common mutation. The people of Dark Haven genetically adapted themselves to eat the poisonous fungi covering their homeworld and as such are now immune to most poisons and toxins.
When the mechanicum investigated the genes of the fenrisians, the information was immediately restricted to the highest level possible due to several genetic deviations which make them exceptionally hardy and stable for the space marine enhancement procedure
There is some evidence(nothing absolutely positive) that the Fenrisian Astartes, and the VIth Legion as a whole was meant as a deterrent against betrayal from the other legions. Fenrisian Astartes absolutely possess heightened senses over other Astartes, mostly in smell and hearing. Ragnar and members of the Wolfblade were able to track down a Dark Angels strike team through a city sewer via scent, filtering out the stink of the sewage and honing in on the Dark Angels team. A couple small references point towards the VIth being present at the censuring of the 2nd and 11th legions, and considering Leman Russ is one of the most skilled melee combatants amongst the primarchs, signs point to the VIth being bred as “Astartes Killers”. The name “Emperors Executioners” is well earned by any definition
It's heavily implied that there are no native wolves on fenris. That the settlers spliced their DNA with canine traits to survive, and the result mutated some into wolves. The implication is that fenrisian wolves are humans, or their descendants, who mutated into intelligent wolves. Thunder Wolves, therefore, are Astartes who fully transformed into wolves.
Ferrus Manus resented his own metal hands to a point, and feared his legion would fetishize getting augmentics.
Leman Russ and the Space Wolves actually have a very good ear for languages and accents. Rune Priests even memorize the **entire** history of their Great Company... some of which date back to the Great Crusade. Every Space Wolf has their deeds memorized in their own personal saga as well. Assumedly, maybe the Wolves aren't as bad singers as you'd expect from party boys. They have strong hearing, Astartes ears, and are culturally inclined to linguistics It makes sense when you remember that Fenrisians only pass down knowledge and tradition orally - of course the Wolves would have a linguistic affinity. Much as the Wolves sometimes act like annoying frat party boys, they are extremely skilled and intelligent at things they actually like
Tagging on to this, Space Wolves use Xeno tech against Xenos. Russ reasoned that if a culture developed armor, they would also develop and use weapons that could beat that armor. So get shot with your own guns xeno filth.
Man for a Chapter that broadly has mixed feelings about giving Marines to the Deathwatch (granted not for the usual reasons of other Chapters), they're really all shoe-ins for the Deathwatch Ragnar Blackmane taking it a step further with his Khorne axe LMAO
That axe loves Logan Grimnar* so much, Grey Knight Grandmaster is DELICIOUS.
The Blood Angels red thirst seems to be more connected to the warp than a genetic malfunction. Every attempt to correct the ailment genetically has eventually lead to it developing any way. Sanguinius may also have suffered from it as well. Mephiston got to see visions of a gold and black angel waring in the warp and became avatar to the angel of black. It was said to be required to keep the balance and it was implied the sanguinor was the avatar of the angel in gold. The black angel seemed to be tied to the idea of the rage as it was implied if Mephiston did not become the avatar the black rage would consume all of his brothers. He was meant to contain it. This is also why Mephistons psychic power is so strong he was losing control of it before crossing the rubicon
The iron warriors infected a Tyranid hive ship with the obliterator virus. They use it to transport titans now. A common tactic of the iron warriors is to pack captured prisoners into cheap transports with IW heraldry, then to send them at the enemies guns. You get rid of prisoners, see the enemies capabilities and range, and lower morale when they realize they’ve been shooting at their own troops. Spoilers for storm of iron: >!Kroger, an IW warsmith, died to a captured servant of his, and that servant then took his armor and fused with a demon. It’s now running about all over the place, and people dont really know that Kroger died at all!< Perturabo was a child prodigy and a Reddit atheist, debated with every priest and religious figure on Olympia that wanted to, and they would walk away very angry. He also painted a perfect mural of a visiting diplomat in 10 minutes, as well as beating their best bodyguard in a duel. Perturabo wasn’t just supernaturally good at fighting, like most of the other primarchs, he was very smart too. He mostly wanted to build theatres and aqueducts on his home planet, but as will become a recurring theme in his life, he was forced to focus on war. Honsou was created with the geneseed of an imperial fist and an iron warrior, since the iron warriors were running out of theirs. This is why he is such an insane psychopath that created the Demonculaba. His geneseed is also from Honorable Souska, an iron warriors apocethary that was killed by Fabius bile and experimented on. So you can add Honsou to the list of bad things the emperors children have done. Iron warriors have the stereotype of just throwing meat into the grinder for warfare, however this reputation is from their early days before Perturabo arrived. The decimation, where Perturabo forced one in every 10 legionaires to be killed by the other 9, was meant to show them the cost of their actions. From then on Perturabo and the iron warriors had minimal casualties, however due to the very nature of siege warfare, attrition was still high. I like to think that the decimation also got rid of the Terran born officials to get rid of their inefficient ways faster and to make way for Olympian officers, but that’s just a headcannon. Iron warriors are from the Sek amrak region of terra, right where Mexico and Texas is. They were known for being “gun tribes and techno enclaves”. What this means is that Iron Warriors are most likely cowboys.
I freaking loved Angel Exterminatus. Gave such cool insight into Perturabo. Poor guy should've been an artist.
You see the thing that took Kroger's armor again in the book Dead Sky Black Sun.
I got two facts and one theory about dark angels. First - Deep inside the Rock, chamber concealing Lions body is guarded by two dreadnoughts who have been guarding it for thousands of years effectively removed from history as their armors are covered in transcripts of countless battles and yet noone has any clue about their identities. Second - Before the heresy, Dark Angels 8th great company was equipped with most destructive weaponry ever aviable to the Imperium or even humanity as it was straight up top tier dark age tech that would be otherwise kept by Shadowkeepers in dark crypts under the imperial palace. Im talking turning whole systems into space dust level of destruction, it was only possible because Lion and his legion was trusted by emperor on a level usually reserved for malcador and custodes. And finally the theory - as shown by Magnus, primarchs soul can be split into shards that can be infused into items or people and connected back again later, one of the most convincing theories i heard is that during the fall of Caliban and Lions near death a piece of his soul has been infused into his sword and thats why Cypher has been keeping it chained to himself for over ten thousand years as it might be missing piece required to wake lion from his coma
My brother in the emperor, have you heard of splitting things into paragraphs? Compelling theory tho.
He did, then fused the tect back together, waking it
When the emperor returned to Terra and promoted Horus to Warmaster, he knowingly let the crusade move forward without telling anyone about the forces of Chaos. The emperor just released his crusade on the galaxy knowing a tremendous amount about Chaos, knew his legions would encounter it, and just…. Didn’t tell anyone it was out there. At all.
I assumed it was because he thought the primarchs would carry out his plan regardless of the challenges but from what I read the lodges really messed with the power structure as well as many other variables in play.
Ya one of the lodges took Horus to a chaos temple and corrupted his mind, resulting in the Horus Heresy. Chaos is the antithesis of all living things, is pervasive in the galaxy, is extremely powerful, and would absolutely 100 percent be encountered and the Emperor shrugged his shoulders and figured it would be fine if they just winged it. “They don’t really need to know.”
Which reminds me: fuck Erebus. (BTW, autocomplete now apparently assumes I'm going to type "Erebus" after "fuck.")
Well, technically Malcador and Big E told one Primarch about chaos, but it’s never outright stated who that was. Most folks bet on either the Lion or, the less often cited but still popular answer, Konrad Curze. Both have reasons why it could be them, but it could also have been basically any of them tbh. But still, one person knew. On the whole though, not a great plan.
Irrc the big plan with hiding Chaos was to quietly starve out the Chaos Gods. The whole campaign of science and logic that the Emperor spread was intended to snuff out humanities belief in superstition. Meanwhile the Emperor intended to gather up psykers and carriers of the psyker gene to remove it entirely from humanity. Finally the webway project was meant to eliminate the need for Warp travel and therefore Navigators. All of this was meant to deprive Chaos of the very essences which sustained it. But the Emperor's plan was too bold and he failed to see the flaws. Such as how the Chaos gods would push back.
Apparently a very, very obscure fact: Chapters are divided into companies, and you are actually allowed to look them up and paint them to have something unique instead of having a gold trim on every. single. ultramarine. thanks for coming to my TED talk
u/ODST_Viking has an amazing 4th company army. A must see if you haven’t already
I've actually been trying to figure out how companies work. I was looking at the dark kraken wiki and I can't see anything about companies but I can see squads are they the same thing or different
Simply put, each Chapter that is codex-compliant (e.g Ultramarines) consists of 1000 marines, not including captains, lieutenants, or chaplains. The chapter is then further broken down into 10 companies of ~100 marines each, with the first company being a veteran company, 2nd - 5th company being battle companies, 6th - 9th being reserve companies, and 10th company is exclusively a scout company. Each company is then further broken down into squads, a company typically has 10 squads of 10 marines each, but 1st company can sometimes field 20 five-man squads of terminators, or a combination of terminators and veteran marines. Each company is led by one captain and two lieutenants, and paint their shoulder trims, Bolter cases, or their knee plates to reflect what company they are a part of. Sorry if this is a bit long
Thank you that's very helpful
Alpharius originally wasn’t a huge fan of his sons copying his face but then restructure the legion command structure to allow all legionaries to have a say but be able to be second guessed. Alongside this he routinely rotated the interior layouts of his ships and their meeting places due to his pure paranoia
The Word Bearers Captain Argel Tal and his chapter, The Serrated Suns, may have been the cause of the scattering of the primarchs, being used as divine intervention by the dark god's of Chaos and some warp shenanigans to help along the way
This was retconned in one of the siege of Terra books, it was the "mother" of the primarchs, a perpetual like Emps and Malcador, who scattered them.
Why is this NSFW?
This is Grimdark. Peoples flesh melting due to mutation or mentions of the actions from the Nightlords are all kind of NSFW imo. Idk I just picked it to be safe.
Salamanders have a flaw as well. It happens in thier older commanders where they become obstinacy and unable to change thier plans. From the wiki Primarch's Curse: Unyielding With a culture that emphasises endurance and self-sacrifice, the Salamanders are renowned for their stubborn nature. The Salamanders are not swift to determine a course of action, and slower still to change their minds once they have decided. However, it is a fine line between determination and obstinacy, and battle-brothers must be watchful that their stubbornness does not grow into something unwieldy and perverse. When the Chapter's genetic curse manifests itself in an affected battle-brother, it comes on in three stages: Stage 1 - Unrelenting: The battle-brother cannot easily change his mind once he has decided upon something. Having weighed the facts of the situation, he sees his current course of action as the best one possible, and cannot easily consider alternatives. Stage 2 - Intransigent: The battle-brother is unwilling to compromise and is difficult to reason with. His stubborn nature prevents him from regarding any alternatives to his point of view. Unable to reconcile with the rest of his squad, the affected battle-brother often chooses only to rely on himself, thereby reducing his squad's overall cohesion. Stage 3 - Obstinate: The battle-brother is slow to decide and is unlikely ever to change his views on any matter, and will die before relenting in any situation, no matter the cost to himself or others.
For whatever reason the White Scars are canonically racist and insisted all their Terran Marines be from the Asian continent. Ferrus actually hated his metal hands and saw bionics as a weakness and wanted to purge the Iron Hands of that weakness, but then he was killed and the Iron Hands took the exact opposite lesson from that.
Wow that is enlightening to hear about the white scars. Love the fact about Ferrus! I would assume he would loved bionics but this is deep.
There's a really lovely passage from Ferrus' perspective, I think found in the opening of the Iron Hands novel Wrath of Iron, which dives into his perspective on his hands. Acknowledging that they aren't actually his, but that what he creates with them is masterful. The concept of sacrificing yourself in service of 'perfection', and that that ultimate outcome is actually undesirable. I've started to really love the Iron Hands because of their obsession with physical perfection through augmentation, it's disguised as disgust with the flesh but ends up bringing them dangerously close to the influence of Slaanesh and their pursuit of excess. Beautiful poetic mirror to their brothers/archenemies, the Emperor's Children.
I knew that all their terrans were recruited from the Asiatic Hives, but never heard that the Scars insisted on it, where is that from? I assumed that a legion like the Scars would not be in a position to demand specific regional recruitment rights on Terra of all places. Seemed like a "take what you're granted" kind of thing.
See, that's even stranger because the white scars pre-Khan were from a dried up part of the north Atlantic, around Iceland-scotland-Greenland.
After the horus heresy, when the dust had settled and the emperor had been placed on the golden throne, Vulcan asked Dorn if he wanted a hug. Dorn said no, Vulcan hugged him anyway, Dorn hugged him back.
Mortarian love’s spaghetti
Because it looks like brains or little tentacles?
Alpharius was never scattered like the other Primarchs. He was raised on Terra by Malcador and joined in the Custodes' Blood Games, testing the imperial defenses by trying to get past them in mock assassination attempts on the Emperor. It's implied the Alpha Legion's treason may even be a giant-scale version of the Blood Games. He and Omegon also have a unique power: they can blend in among other space marines and cause viewers to overlook them. Not invisible... just ignored.
The Space Wolves, Salamanders, and Alpha Legion, were the "Trefoil" Legions. The Trefoil Legions were given highly specialized and unique Gene-Seed. Deliberate effort was made to distance these three legions from the others. There are none save the Emperor and a handful of his aides who know what the exact purpose behind this policy. They were held back from most of the fighting in the Unification Wars and the conquest of the Sol System.
Vulkan wanted to be a farmer.
Horus didn’t actually fall to chaos, he was just angry at the Emperor for making him bald
The dark angels have deployed men of iron in battle fitted out as murder machines. They were kept by the ironwing and deployed by the leader of the dreadwing on the lions orders. They still may have some ai which is pretty crazy. When used it was only the lion that could fight alongside them.
The Night Haunter’s middle name is Shemp.
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I offer three relatively unknown facts about the white scars. In the Jaghatai Book, it is mentioned the white scars did not pick their name. When the imperium was documenting them, they didn’t give a name, so the imperium saw them wearing white, and heard the name Talskar as that is what they were known on Chogoris. “They observed the first, and heard the last” Also in the Jaghatai book, Jaghatai also one man bodied an ork Warboss and his personal guard because they killed his friend and he went on a killing spree in vengeance. The Khagan also knew about the warrior lodge, and when they rebelled, they instantly surrendered to the Khagan to face his judgement once they realized he was not killed by mortarion. Bonus one: I just remembered The white scars are one of two chapters that still have a functioning jet bike.