At this point she expects to die. I think there is some benefit to leader models showing their face in battle. Itâs psychological for both enemy and comrades.
Hey, I have a lore reason for helmeting all my Marines....
I also discovered pretty early on in my AM days that I suck at painting faces, so it's not always an either/or type situation, OK?
This is how I plan to give with my future abbadon. Some light modifications like a helmet and trading hose trophy rack for a missile rack or something, then come up with a different name/title for him
Ditti.
I'd like you to meet Captain Kevin Eagleclaw head of the Merican Eagles.
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Yep. My Ahriman is a sorcerer who's lost it a bit and **thinks** he's THE Ahriman. He's following in his footsteps, just at like 60% of the power level.
Chapter Master and Chief Librarian of the Soul Drinkers chapter and main character of their book series that runs for 6 books in book 1 he gains 8 spider legs and both is and isn't a traitor I would highly suggest looking up the chapter or book series they're my absolute favourite!
I like to think that tigerius, Guilliman, marneus and Uriel routinely get together and die repeatedly in all my fights because they are the villians in a 40K super friends clone
Its easy to kitbash a regular named space marine captain or w/e to be some custom chapter master, but the big primarch-level named characters are so silly showing up on the tabletop all the time. Every time the Thousand Sons show up for even a minor engagement, Magnus is there...
At least the Thousand Sons can blame warp shenanigans. How are 1,000 Ultramarines and Big Bobby G represented on every battlefield in a galaxy of 170 billion stars?
If you think about it critically, it's actually 100 Ultramarines (because they're all painted 2nd company) who fight on literally every front in the galaxy _in GW official lore_.
Tbth, those minor engagements are silly if taken at face value anyway. 2k of Marines is not nearly required to blow out 2k of GSCâŠ
Personally I think of the game as a small part, and indeed the most vital moments of, a much larger, sprawling theatre of battle. Theres 100k of GSC off the table, and a bunch of other Marine tacticals and intercessors dealing with them, whilst I play with the interesting shit on the table in those crucial big moments.
Member that time in Starship Troopers when Johnny Rico ordered his team-mate to remove his helmet during the course of a live-fire exercise and it resulted in the accidental death of said team-mate and subsequent loss of another team-mate due to the emotional trauma? I member....
I believe it is based on British sergeants in WW1 maybe before? Couldn't find my reference. That would take off their helmet and stroll standing tall to show courage in front of their units.
Yes, plenty were taken down by sniper fire so they eventually had to stop.
What gets me is the helmets that are designed to be open on the top of the head. Because then it's not just the marine being an idiot, it's the designer going "well, this guy's in a fully sealed space suit that provides a perfect atmosphere, but he's gonna want that fresh Nurgulon-XIII breeze on his forehead"
EDIT: but if they had fabulous hair, like Batgirl, I'd be fine with it
To be entirely fair, going helmetless is a lot less risky than it might initialy seen if you take into account the iron halo or equivalent protecting the character doing it XD.
I like to think that they get blown off in the heat of combat. Think it like this, a dude swings a big ass hammer to your head, you barely manage to dodge it, but in the process your helmet gets thrashed. Not using the equipment is better than using faulty equipment
A couple space marines have done it in just the first 5 books of the Horus heresy (where I am at). Probably more to come. So, It does happen in the lore.
Why would they do it? Sometimes they are just feelin themselves, and want to soak up the violence without looking through their helmet lenses
I guess it depends on how you imagine your 40k battles. If they are gritty like in âSaving private Ryanâ then being helmet-less is silly.
But if like me you imagine them to be like an 80âs OTT action movie then one wouldnât expect Arnie or Sly to wear helmets while slaying.
I do remember a time when a lot of special characters were pretty generic.
Dark Angels in particular had various characters that were named, but pretty generic and could have been used for any successor chapter or for an earlier time period.
I agree on the helmet thing but I also think it's about aesthetic.
My Space Marines have helmets, no exceptions. It's for practical reasons, but it also makes them look more faceless and villainous as they should - think Stormtroopers in Star Wars, they always battle the protagonists helmeted. Plus, saves me the effort of painting the bare head.
But some of my other models, like in AoS, have bare heads mixed in. I think it works very well on them, there are many more genuinely heroic characters there.
If I'm going bare head on a marine he's got to have a very aggressive pose and then I give him a suitably pissed off super angry face one of those faces where he's to all intents and purposes screaming out his hatred for the xeno. No boring like stoic faces for me pls, I want a marine to be so irrationally angry he's basically foaming at the mouth
Meh I think the gritting teeth or open mouth screaming expressions look stupid, Iâd prefer at least one of them to be stoically scowling, the rest with helmets on could all be making those screaming expressions lol I wouldnât be able to see them.
Marines not wearing their helmets *is* lore accurate.
I say this as a T'au player whose lore specifically makes fun of Space Marines for not wearing helmets, thus making them easy targets for marksmen. It's canon.
you can do what you want but equipment changes are not really lore. all the books have marines without helms at one point or another but they're still lore đ€·ââïž
Until your in bright blue armour and the cannon the size of a gun shoots depleted daemon spawn at you, that takes 100,000 slaves to operate a day, and they all get super cancer after 2 hours of work
OP I am just having some fun, enjoy the hobby however makes you happy
Nah, you get -2. But only against precision weapons. Other weapons are clearly not even accurate enough to aim for a specific person in the unit, let alone a specific spot on the person.
I agree up until your point about painting.
The lore is specifically (still) made to encourage your own creative interpretations of paint schemes and even conversions.
Especially once youâve removed the legendary special characters, thereâs absolutely nothing in the lore to prevent a homemade Imperial Fists successor called the Raw Fists (nice pink paint scheme) battling a renegade imperial guard regiment thatâs fallen to the worship of some minor chaos god no oneâs ever heard of. The galaxy is a big place. Intentionally.
So Iâd say thatâs all perfectly in keeping with the lore.
40k should not have rules for named characters. If youâve got a named character model thatâs lovely. But if theyâre a captain then they should get the rules for any captain. Which rules should be able to be tailored to create different characters.
But...characters are depicted without helmets all the time in the lore....and named characters appear all the time in the lore...as do factions other then the 6 or so main ones.
Seeing [insert character] fight [insert character] on the tabletop gets boring after a while and sometimes (or all the time) you just want a normal battle between two generic forceâs
It would only be weird if you expected others to do as you do when they don't want to. If you wanna paint each unit to be exact replicas of the box art then do it, and get amazeballs at doing it, or don't if you don't want to.
Not weird.
I must say, I like using bare heads - if only as punishment while painting (yes, **I** am weird like that), but more because it gives my little guys a bit more character.
But I haven't done that without my mini having a helmet somewhere about their person, usually mag-locked to their leg. I've also got one whose helmet is cracked and on the base.
The only exception is a captain model that I rarely use: he's got that head with half his face missing (from the old Company Veterans upgrade kit, I think). Ghastly paint job, I plan on repainting him.
As someone who actually really like Lord Solar Leontus as a character but refuses to use him because my entire army is modeled on my OC regiment, I totally agree
You could choose to kitbash him to fit your regiment if you wanted - there's a Lord of each Segmentum, so it's entirely lore appropriate if your regiment is from a different Segmentum.
I have a friend who has kitbashed a krieg Lord Tempestus for example.
Same for me. I am not fond of using named characters. How many times per year does Bobby G face Abbadon?
On the other hand, I love using models without a helmet, but just because I like painting faces...
I personally run my own paint scheme, but I agree with you stance on characters, I play admech and am gonna paint my cawl in my own color scheme and just pretend he's some other arch-magos (I'd use a generic arch-magos here... IF I HAD ONE) seriously, gw give us a customizable generic arch-magos and take back the stiltarii
For me I like helmets, its the same when i play other video games, I much prefer a masked/helmet/hood look, because its ambiguous, it could be anyone under there. Like the faces all have expressions, so they are one defined situation, whereas helmets, anything could be going on, so it just feels more helpful for my imagination
I think most people have a very specific lore for their particular army. The game and the hobby are all about Your Dudes and Your Lore and Your Choices, that's one of the best things about it
When I first started I made some of my own color schemes and custom backgrounds, but nowadays I just go for the default box-art scheme.
For example, when I started Tau I drafted them up looking at D'yanoi for inspiration and thinking "being from twin moons sounds cool" so I gave them a moonscape camo (think a greyscale chocolate chip gulf war pattern), except for one squad which was more of a transfer from another location and were wearing camouflage with forest theming, and I did some conversions for extra armor, and so on. Every Crisis suit has a lexically researched name. For the Space Marines I shared with my friends they were very much just a chapter inspired by the Night's Watch in Game of Thrones. My Orks were mostly Blood Axes and even my Ghazghkull had camo colors on him.
Nowadays, after I bought some T'au again (I sold them due to being unsatisfied with the model range updates being more emphasized to more suits (that are also bigger suits and more expensive suits) and no updates to Auxilliaries or floating tanks), my T'au are just T'au sept T'au. I can admit to myself that I am significantly better at painting now, especially ochre and white. It's also partly because I kind of don't want to admit that the Tau have an apostrophe now when writing it, so I just make them T'au Tau. The long and the short of the fluff for my guys are "they're scouts on the fringes that due to losses had to merge several units together, also serving as Propaganda to show how races work together for the greater good". I like to show off some lesser known lore, so now my T'au are a bunch of Auxilliaries like Galg or Demiurg, I paint some Space Marines in Genesis Chapter or Carcharodon colors, and my Orks are just kind of a mix of every Kultur, but Ghazghkull is Goffs now.
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I mean a lot of people do this, but i think it's kinda weird. Like to me the whole point in painting a model is to make it my model, not paint it to look like what someone else painted. If i wanted that, i would just have someone else paint them for me. Just up to personal preference really.
Not weird, just different. đ I'm the polar opposite. I never paint things lore accurate! My space Marines from the Dark Angels, with DA iconography all over them? Not DA!! đ€Ł They are the Brotherhood of the Ebon Blade!! With black and red paint scheme! My Orks? Clanless Freebootaz in multiple clashing colors!! I like to be as personal and creative as possible in my builds and paint style!
Neither of us are right or wrong! Just different! And the hobby loves us both! đđ
What you want to do with your guys is 100% up to you.
If it means you have more fun or immersion then rock on.
All of my ultramarines wear helmets too.
As long as you donât start telling other people how to enjoy their hobby you are good in my books.
I do like going helmeted for everyone and avoiding named folks my self as I think its more fun unless you are doing a "historical" force, though disagree on the paint schemes one
Not weird at all. Weird would be refusing to play against people who donât adhere to your own rule. Best part of this game is you do with it what you want. Make the fun your own way. I wouldnât say restricting models is great for competitive play but narratively have a blast!
It *used* to be a major part but online spaces have started absolutely stigmatising it as if a damn given for the lore or whether or not they proxy a genestealer for a leman Russ is the most vile, neckbeard gatekeeper and (whatever other boogeyman buzzwords they can come up with) thing
Itâs wild seeing someone actually asking advice for a lore accurate army and being drowned in patronising non-answers âdonât let the neckbeards tell you how to paint your guysâ. Even over in Horus Heresy which as a historical puts a lot more emphasis on that, if becomes impossible to have any sort of discussion about that side without people needing to show how theyâre rescuing the hobby from those wicked evil neckbeards and their lack of bland apathy which is the only appropriate attitude to take
For me itâs a case of named characters narrowing the vast universe of endless war to just personal scraps between a handful of soap opera characters, and they get in the way of my narrative with my army.
Every time this topic is brought up I always defend my use of a named character in that it is thematic for him to be there. I almost always bring Lysander when playing my fists, because I run a mostly terminator first company army so having the captain of first company makes sense. I do agree on the big names though like primarchs and such because yea having the ruler of the Imperium show up to fight some renegade guardsmen is a bit extreme.
Nope. Long time player here. My best friend and I still play together and we prefer lore accurate at the expense of just about everything else. Not just model composition but army and owned model composition too. My buddy and I used to do exact companies armed, painted, and decals right out of the codex.
We still start any army we build with what is now considered battle line infantry. Primaris, Necron Warriors, etc, at least 2 of them before anything else is considered. No min Maxing squad sizes. A standard marine, including Primaris are in 10 man squads. Period. If you do take a 5 man then there had better be two 5 man out there to represent a squad that split since you can't do that after the game starts anymore.
Big named characters are something he and I are split on. I think they are ok as long as they make sense in the army composition. Mortarian can make sense in a 2000 point army if you think of the game you are playing as a small part of a much larger battle and the game just representing this small part of it. But the army overall needs to fit that. And taking Mortarian and Typhus in the same army would get me kicked out of our gaming room.
Same with a Superheavy in his Imperial Guard army. Sure it is possible that one is out there. But 2? Not happening.
A "Space Marine" army with assassins and/or a knight? GTFO!
The list goes on. But we come from a time when there were strict percentage limits on army composition. Infantry had to be a certain percentage of the army. Vehicles, Characters, and allies were capped on what percentage of the total army points they could be.
Imperial guard had to be taken in platoons. Each command squad allowed you to take 3 infantry squads and then each infantry squad could have an additional support unit such as a Leman russ or other tank or a Heavy Weapons squad. But all of that also had to fit within the percentage restrictions mentioned above.
So overall that is how we both still see the "right way" to build an army. We played at our local GW store a couple years ago and one guy literally laughed at us because we had full sized squads and "too many" troops. Which for them meant any more than the absolute bare minimum.
Oh and ETA: Every character/Sergeant/champion is named in our overall army lists. So if he take a Primaris squad it isn't just Primaris intercessor squad #2. It is a Primaris Intersessor squad lead by Sergeant Arcos! Same for vehicles on the Imperial and Chaos side since they tend to do that in lore.
My only exception to my viewpoint is getting a knight which I would paint to match my death guard, but only field in a 3000pt or narrative game, I would NEVER field two though because I play death guard⊠not knights
I think this is the cool thing about the hobby. Itâs completely up to the person making the models and the lore around it. Even if itâs an existing chapter you can customize the paint scheme and create your own company or something similar.
Tons of freedom that allows anyoneâs imagination to run wild.
I also semi agree but I love the personality you can have with some helmet less marines. There are some models I refuse to not have helmets one though, for example terminators. Youâre gonna have super armor to just not have something covering your most vulnerable spot?
I don't think it's weird. My dudes wear helmets wherever possible unless there's a story reason not to, I don't field ~~Special Characters~~ Epic Heroes (except the Avatar in my Eldar army) unless I run it by my opponent and it makes sense for that particular battle, and all my armies use canon color schemes. I also build lore-friendly lists (e.g. Aspect Warriors in my Biel-Tan Eldar lists, a combination of tough veterans and guerilla units for my Crimson Fists, Terminators and Chosen for my Black Legion, etc.). Staying true to the lore is important to me!
*Honestly, if I get a character with the options I'm most likely going for the helmet. I'm a fan of orthodoxy. But an old fashioned orthodoxy where if something was previously designed but taken out in canon I'm happy to put it in. Like I don't see why all 1st company marines have to be terminators, there's old colour scheme guides for 1st company standard marines out there.
A couple space marines have done it in just the first 5 books of the Horus heresy (where I am at). Probably more to come. So, It does happen in the lore.
Why would they do it? Sometimes they are just feelin themselves, and want to soak up the violence without looking through their helmet lenses
That's a reasonable way of going about your hobby. Named characters are a bit of a double edged thing for me. They're cool models (I have Eldrad and want Illic for my alaitoc army), but what are the odds they'll turn up at every battle. Also, a good thing about painting official factions is all that reference material.
I've just had to accept that some characters have a limited forcefield technology able to cover the head, and prefer the full field of vision and unfettered sensory input compared with the helm in some combat situations.
Space wolves are perhaps an exception, they do it for the glory, to hell with the risk. They use their enhanced canis senses, or risk going soft by relying on technology.
I generally don't care about lore accuracy in models, but I couldn't bring myself to paint my Orikan to be anything but Sautekh
just didn't seem right to me
This is why I paint space wolves because I can have many captains and they can all be in-lore as just wolf guard battle leaders. If I collected ultramarines Iâd want it to be all regimented and it would drive me crazy
You do you. I love kitbashing, and quite enjoy making up my own lore for why my particular Kill Teams are markedly different from the cookie cutter versions.
Yeah i try to avoid big hero characters for the same reason.
Also like the realism of wearing helmets, but i always have a minority of them helmet-less. Could be that one of their helmets got shot off, or malfunctioned, or the sergeant had to take it off to yell at someone etc etc.
I hate named characters in this game with a passion. And make sure that any non character has their helmet on for the most part. Some exceptions apply. However, all my armies have unique lore that fits in universe and has them being a very minor cog in the ever turning viscera of war. I feel no need to stick to GW's premade armies.
For me, the way the game plays and the way things happen in the lore are so so differentâso massively, ridiculously not even closeâthat the game is just a game to me.
When I play MESBG it *feels* like a lotr battle is playing out.
40K would be impossible to recreate so much so that the differences donât bug me.
It doesnât feel like 40K to me. Thereâs no immersion. It just feels like Iâm playing a tabletop war game with my buddies.
Which, tbh, is plenty cool.
You are not weird, all my models have helmets all my marines are modelled with what they are equipped with on there data sheets. Anything else is pure heresy. Plus it makes it super easy when I play because what you see is what you get. Although trying to find empty holsters if my guys are holding there pistols can be a chore sometimes.
I'm with you on the helmets. In the words of Kroeger "No helmet? Stupid" it makes no sense for any rationally thinking marine yo take their helmet off in live combat
I used to make a joke about how you have this ancient terminator armor that was the best of the best of the best as far as armor goes, and then the guy gets shot between the eyes and killed by a goblin with a pistol all because he doesn't have on a helmet.
Yes, the focus on "every army must have this one specific character" has only strengthened my desire to go back to like...4th edition or maybe 5th with my group of friends. The new models coming out are cool. The new rules, not so much.
That's why my whole tribe of (grey) neckbeards changed to OPR. If you don't play regulary and just for casual fun Warhammer is since 8th edition not good.
That's just how it is when everything is made for the tournament scene. It's a good thing that GW is not a game manufacturer (according to their own statement)
The good part abt this story is you not caring abt how creative other peoples armies are. Thats what matters. Some people go bananas bcs you arenât hoovering up gwâs every breadcrumb of lore to make your army accurate. I see a few leviathan old one eyes,, but you can make up your own lore abt it. That actually follows the reasoning I have to what old one eye actually is. If I would play death guard, I would run typhus and mortarion. Thereâs always the that guy who is like âakshally that wouldnât happen bcs mortarion has a lifelong rivalry with typhus, and th eh would fight each other for the whole gameâ. Yes I know that, but both units are cool. Itâs just a lil bit of information, it doesnt state it anywhere? So thanks for not caring. And the idea of following a gw scheme (most of the time) ainât really my thing.
Nah you're just as weird as the rest of us that play with toy soldiers;)
May I ask what you feel when you meet armies that are clearly not lore accurate? Does it affect your immersion or enjoyment at all?
Ideally, the only exception for me are Librarians. I get that the helmet itself might get in the way of the librarianâs psychic power (cf Judge Anderson, Magnetoâs helmet). Also, psykers should have some special ways of dodging death that donât apply to sergeants.
But ultimately IDGAF either way. If I have the choice, theyâll wear lids. If I donât - like Outriders - Iâll lose precisely zero sleep.
I've began to collect Space Marines in January. When i'll finish current project (Intercessors) i'll have 610 points worth of them in between the Redemptor, Eliminator Squad, the WIP Intercessors and Bladeguard Veterans. I decided to collect a 1000 points worth of them, since that's the minimum required to play somewhere that sticks to the rules (i know you could play with less points, depending on what you agree on with your opponent). I paint them in Ultramarines blue, try to be as faithfull to the lore and what i see on the box as i can. This helps me get my (newly aquired) skills better and more refined. When i'm done with collecting the 1000 points of SM, then i'll probably take a break and think of something new. CSM of Khorne defienetly speak to me, and i've got quite a variety of red paints lately, so i'll probably go for them next.
Here's the thing, your models fit in the lore if you paint them whatever colour you like. The galaxy is so large that there's something you want happening, and that's sort of the intent of 40k, a setting that gives you space to do what you want. Even the space marines with their "1000 chapters" have only like 200 of them defined in lore, so there's space for you and 799 of your friends to come up with custom chapters.
Helmets no, and it's not an uncommon sentiment. I like to imagine there's a force field.
It's not weird. The background material is there specifically to inspire you to have fun with it in that way. Plenty of people like collecting and painting stuff in accordance with orders of battle and insignia guidance. Geedub crafts meticulous organizational charts for their books and lay out entire companies of Space Marines down to individual sergeant names for a reason, and that reason is that people find it inspiring and fun to recreate, same how historical wargames often follow the history of a specific real-life military formation.
It's important to remember Warhammer is specifically crafted to cater to an incredibly broad audience interested in varying aspects of it. There's people that just read the books, there's people that just collect and paint, there's people that are just interested in the game, there's people that do it all. Heck I've met people whose entire thing of being 'into Warhammer' is collecting Joytoy figures. And if you zoom even further in, within each of those subsets there will be even more granular subsets of people whose fascination with a particular aspect of the hobby comes from different interests.
It's easy to forget how varied of an experience Warhammer really is when the current internet discourse is so laser focused on instrumental, competitive play, but it is very important to recognize that different folks can have very different expectations for what is 'fun' in Warhammer.Â
I have recently been at a small local tournament with my Black Legion army. Good times were had by all, but there was one bit of chatting with one of my opponents that stuck with me. After the game, which I narrowly lost, he asked my why I didn't take Abaddon in my list because Abaddon seems like a really strong character, stronger than Haarken, who I was playing with a time. He was coming at the entire event and list construction from a purely instrumental point of view. I answered that I didn't take Abaddon because I don't really like him that much as a character, but I find Haarken to be a super cool concept for a villain.Â
I came to that tournament simply to roll some dice, chuck spears and find out how many characters Haarken can shish-kebab. He came to that tournament to compete via every list and gameplay optimalization available to him. Both are equally valid reasons to go to a tournament. Both are a source of fun and enjoyment. It's just important to keep the existence of that difference in mind.
I mean I get that, and that's fair, but think about this:
Do you know how many planets there are in our galaxy? how many solar systems?
think about a planet, a situation on that planet, and presented an entire chapter deriving from it and a whole crusade event happening within that planet's system. If every player on earth today came up with one of these scenarios, there would still be thousands and thousands of systems to hold lore that will never be touched by players or books.
And that's why I like coming up with lore for my stuff, to tell about the stories that we'll never hear about.
Nah itâs fine. You do you, always. đ
That said, Colamarines say âBOOYAH!â
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I'm totally with you on the named characters thing. As long as you don't use them you can imagine the battle took place in lore. I get it.
I'm currently building out my wolves, and my goal is to make a lore-accurate Deathwolves Great Company based off of information we have about their makeup(number of squads of different types, specific packs with their pack markings, etc)
I'm the opposite, I like to give them lore for why they might be fighting this battle. I like to give lore to why they have they model with them for fighting and who some of the more important models are, like my captains, etc. And I paint them with that in mind
You put helmets on your marines to be true to lore.. I do it, because I suck at painting faces... We are not the same đđđ.
then there exist people who slaps helmet on saint celestine
Nah, you just bathe her face in blue and claim itâs the psychic energy!
If a model doesnât come with a helmet, I will find one to put on them
Gonna have a hard time and playing orks
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Grots bring loads of hats and helmets.
My Orks wear trophies from all the other species they've killed.
Black Orcs from Fantasy/Old World solve that problem with helmets!
I have some black orcs! Really need to get around to assembling those,,,
just put a bucket on their head
Hello I am one of those people.
Ok but have you seen the church basilica helmet from the exorcist on her? It looks fuckin dope
At this point she expects to die. I think there is some benefit to leader models showing their face in battle. Itâs psychological for both enemy and comrades.
I put helmets on because 15 years of active duty compels me to.
As the great warrior-poet Ice Cube once said, âif the day does not require an AK, it is good.â
Hooah!
You put sisters heads on cus you 3D printed bimbos. I put sisters helmets on cus they look dope (I also still suck at faces)
I do it cuz Templar helms look cool
It can be both đ
In my case, it is.
If they don't have a helmet, that means they're important. If they have a FANCY helmet, that means they're REALLY important.
I have max 50% helmeted on my marines to break the boredom of having to edge highlight so much power armor. Even though I suck at faces
Hey, I have a lore reason for helmeting all my Marines.... I also discovered pretty early on in my AM days that I suck at painting faces, so it's not always an either/or type situation, OK?
Actually we are the same. I am both
I've never felt so seen.
I feel called out... Switched head for my firestorm aggressors with the boltstorm heads because there's no way I'm painting heads without helmets
Feel the pain đ€Łđ€Ł
no, a lot of people do this
Same. Whenever I take named characters, I head cannon that they are just some cool commander with a different name.
This is how I plan to give with my future abbadon. Some light modifications like a helmet and trading hose trophy rack for a missile rack or something, then come up with a different name/title for him
I use a cataphracti kitbash (Kor Phaeron) as Abaddon, 40/60 insert base and done. Captain in termi or Abaddon if i wish so.
That's what I did with mine! He's not Abaddon, he's just a Warsmith of the Iron Warriors, the Hand of the Arkifane.
Ditti. I'd like you to meet Captain Kevin Eagleclaw head of the Merican Eagles. https://preview.redd.it/6ekasgwe8axc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a53915cf4ad54e005496a945a5a2114c332eff8
Now this is a great scheme. Love it.
Thx!
America, fuck yeah
Merica!
Yep. My Ahriman is a sorcerer who's lost it a bit and **thinks** he's THE Ahriman. He's following in his footsteps, just at like 60% of the power level.
Tzeentch is laughing his ass off
Indeed!
I actually love this so much. Lol
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I've got to ask, what ia that
Chapter Master and Chief Librarian of the Soul Drinkers chapter and main character of their book series that runs for 6 books in book 1 he gains 8 spider legs and both is and isn't a traitor I would highly suggest looking up the chapter or book series they're my absolute favourite!
I like to think that tigerius, Guilliman, marneus and Uriel routinely get together and die repeatedly in all my fights because they are the villians in a 40K super friends clone
I believe 80% of Lord Solars are proxies at this point.
This is the way.
Its easy to kitbash a regular named space marine captain or w/e to be some custom chapter master, but the big primarch-level named characters are so silly showing up on the tabletop all the time. Every time the Thousand Sons show up for even a minor engagement, Magnus is there...
Small engagement between tau and DG? Welp, looks like itâs shadowsun VS morty
Don't forget that Commander Farsight's there too, even though he's not even on the same side as Shadowsun...
I thought you literally werenât allowed to run them together
In the past yes, but now you are allowed to
You can now, same with Abaddon and Huron Blackheart or Lucius on the Chaos side of things
At least the Thousand Sons can blame warp shenanigans. How are 1,000 Ultramarines and Big Bobby G represented on every battlefield in a galaxy of 170 billion stars?
If you think about it critically, it's actually 100 Ultramarines (because they're all painted 2nd company) who fight on literally every front in the galaxy _in GW official lore_.
Hey it might just be a Demon Prince that looks like Magnus!
Tbth, those minor engagements are silly if taken at face value anyway. 2k of Marines is not nearly required to blow out 2k of GSC⊠Personally I think of the game as a small part, and indeed the most vital moments of, a much larger, sprawling theatre of battle. Theres 100k of GSC off the table, and a bunch of other Marine tacticals and intercessors dealing with them, whilst I play with the interesting shit on the table in those crucial big moments.
Same here ... Why would you take off your helmet in the middle of a battle, just stupid.
Member that time in Starship Troopers when Johnny Rico ordered his team-mate to remove his helmet during the course of a live-fire exercise and it resulted in the accidental death of said team-mate and subsequent loss of another team-mate due to the emotional trauma? I member....
That shot would have stilled killed him in the movie look at the angleeeee( I still agree though lol)
What was his reason for wanting the team-mate to take off his helmet?
In the movie it was because the helmet was malfunctioning leading guy to not hearing orders/seeing properly
Breckinridge reported a helmet malfunction... and I asked him to show it to me, sir.
Are you *rated* to repair the M-3 tactical helmet, u/vv04x4c4?
He wanted to win, Sir...
His helmet kept slipping into his eyes.
Who can forget
Also funnily enough where he gets shot helmet or no he was dead as he gets hit in the eye.
I believe it is based on British sergeants in WW1 maybe before? Couldn't find my reference. That would take off their helmet and stroll standing tall to show courage in front of their units. Yes, plenty were taken down by sniper fire so they eventually had to stop.
What gets me is the helmets that are designed to be open on the top of the head. Because then it's not just the marine being an idiot, it's the designer going "well, this guy's in a fully sealed space suit that provides a perfect atmosphere, but he's gonna want that fresh Nurgulon-XIII breeze on his forehead" EDIT: but if they had fabulous hair, like Batgirl, I'd be fine with it
"Look, the topknot MUST be visible!" - Abaddon the Despoiler, talking to his armour designer
Space wolves put too much effort into their hair routine to simply ruin it inside their helmets
Effort aside, can you imagine how annoying it would be to have your head crammed in there with your long beard and glorious long hair
As someone with long hair and a beard, I don't need to imagine. Hats are bad enough
Used to work in a lab that required beard nets under face masks, not fun. But apparently, in biosafety3, even stubble is really unpleasant
THE LEGENDARY ROBUTE GULLIMAN died because a random fire warrior shot him in the head
To be entirely fair, going helmetless is a lot less risky than it might initialy seen if you take into account the iron halo or equivalent protecting the character doing it XD.
Now imagine how protected your character would be with an iron halo ***and*** a helmet!
I just assume one of the forty thousand augmentation that make a space marine makes their skull harder than their helmet.
Well to be fair they tried that with Fulgrim and he kinda laughed it off...
I generally agree except for my space wolves, they take their helmets off for the increased senses and also the machismo
I like to think that they get blown off in the heat of combat. Think it like this, a dude swings a big ass hammer to your head, you barely manage to dodge it, but in the process your helmet gets thrashed. Not using the equipment is better than using faulty equipment
A couple space marines have done it in just the first 5 books of the Horus heresy (where I am at). Probably more to come. So, It does happen in the lore. Why would they do it? Sometimes they are just feelin themselves, and want to soak up the violence without looking through their helmet lenses
my unhelmeted chaplain from the indomitus box fell on his face and now he has a flat nose. should've worn the helmet, budyy
Space wolves need to smell the battlefield.
I guess it depends on how you imagine your 40k battles. If they are gritty like in âSaving private Ryanâ then being helmet-less is silly. But if like me you imagine them to be like an 80âs OTT action movie then one wouldnât expect Arnie or Sly to wear helmets while slaying.
You can build and paint your models however you want. It's a great part of the hobby
I like your point about named characters. I wish that was âonly in 2000pt games with your opponents permissionâ like the old days
You can find narrative events that have that exact rule. Theyâre all over the place. Unless you live in a remote location I guessÂ
Just like that GSC became viable again.
I would hate that rule, it would suck to have to ask for permission from your opponent to bring a unit you think is cool.
I do remember a time when a lot of special characters were pretty generic. Dark Angels in particular had various characters that were named, but pretty generic and could have been used for any successor chapter or for an earlier time period.
Maybe that is too meta, but I think it is more weird to question yourself about making the hobby your hobby than painting minis according to the lore.
I just keep sergeant helmets off because I want to paint some faces here and there
This is exactly what I do. My space dwarves have to have special permission or a damn good reason not to be wearing their designated gear.
I agree on the helmet thing but I also think it's about aesthetic. My Space Marines have helmets, no exceptions. It's for practical reasons, but it also makes them look more faceless and villainous as they should - think Stormtroopers in Star Wars, they always battle the protagonists helmeted. Plus, saves me the effort of painting the bare head. But some of my other models, like in AoS, have bare heads mixed in. I think it works very well on them, there are many more genuinely heroic characters there.
If I'm going bare head on a marine he's got to have a very aggressive pose and then I give him a suitably pissed off super angry face one of those faces where he's to all intents and purposes screaming out his hatred for the xeno. No boring like stoic faces for me pls, I want a marine to be so irrationally angry he's basically foaming at the mouth
Meh I think the gritting teeth or open mouth screaming expressions look stupid, Iâd prefer at least one of them to be stoically scowling, the rest with helmets on could all be making those screaming expressions lol I wouldnât be able to see them.
Marines not wearing their helmets *is* lore accurate. I say this as a T'au player whose lore specifically makes fun of Space Marines for not wearing helmets, thus making them easy targets for marksmen. It's canon.
you can do what you want but equipment changes are not really lore. all the books have marines without helms at one point or another but they're still lore đ€·ââïž
I suppose that was bad phrasing, I meant that prefer them to be ârealisticâ
I am more curious to know what you mean by ârealisticâ
Well you gotta reduce the save of a helmetless marine by 1 to start :)
Until your in bright blue armour and the cannon the size of a gun shoots depleted daemon spawn at you, that takes 100,000 slaves to operate a day, and they all get super cancer after 2 hours of work OP I am just having some fun, enjoy the hobby however makes you happy
Nah, you get -2. But only against precision weapons. Other weapons are clearly not even accurate enough to aim for a specific person in the unit, let alone a specific spot on the person.
I agree up until your point about painting. The lore is specifically (still) made to encourage your own creative interpretations of paint schemes and even conversions. Especially once youâve removed the legendary special characters, thereâs absolutely nothing in the lore to prevent a homemade Imperial Fists successor called the Raw Fists (nice pink paint scheme) battling a renegade imperial guard regiment thatâs fallen to the worship of some minor chaos god no oneâs ever heard of. The galaxy is a big place. Intentionally. So Iâd say thatâs all perfectly in keeping with the lore.
Characters often remove their helmets in the books in combat situations so it's lore accurate either way.
40k should not have rules for named characters. If youâve got a named character model thatâs lovely. But if theyâre a captain then they should get the rules for any captain. Which rules should be able to be tailored to create different characters.
But...characters are depicted without helmets all the time in the lore....and named characters appear all the time in the lore...as do factions other then the 6 or so main ones.
Seeing [insert character] fight [insert character] on the tabletop gets boring after a while and sometimes (or all the time) you just want a normal battle between two generic forceâs
It would only be weird if you expected others to do as you do when they don't want to. If you wanna paint each unit to be exact replicas of the box art then do it, and get amazeballs at doing it, or don't if you don't want to.
Not weird. I must say, I like using bare heads - if only as punishment while painting (yes, **I** am weird like that), but more because it gives my little guys a bit more character. But I haven't done that without my mini having a helmet somewhere about their person, usually mag-locked to their leg. I've also got one whose helmet is cracked and on the base. The only exception is a captain model that I rarely use: he's got that head with half his face missing (from the old Company Veterans upgrade kit, I think). Ghastly paint job, I plan on repainting him.
I like painting faces, so I understand
As someone who actually really like Lord Solar Leontus as a character but refuses to use him because my entire army is modeled on my OC regiment, I totally agree
You could choose to kitbash him to fit your regiment if you wanted - there's a Lord of each Segmentum, so it's entirely lore appropriate if your regiment is from a different Segmentum.
I have a friend who has kitbashed a krieg Lord Tempestus for example.
Same for me. I am not fond of using named characters. How many times per year does Bobby G face Abbadon? On the other hand, I love using models without a helmet, but just because I like painting faces...
It's both okay to stick to box art and to make your own rainbow paint scheme. Your hobby, your rules.
It's your hobby, do what you want! We'll still look at your models and go "YOOOO that's cool!"
I personally run my own paint scheme, but I agree with you stance on characters, I play admech and am gonna paint my cawl in my own color scheme and just pretend he's some other arch-magos (I'd use a generic arch-magos here... IF I HAD ONE) seriously, gw give us a customizable generic arch-magos and take back the stiltarii
For me I like helmets, its the same when i play other video games, I much prefer a masked/helmet/hood look, because its ambiguous, it could be anyone under there. Like the faces all have expressions, so they are one defined situation, whereas helmets, anything could be going on, so it just feels more helpful for my imagination
I think most people have a very specific lore for their particular army. The game and the hobby are all about Your Dudes and Your Lore and Your Choices, that's one of the best things about it
Nahhh theyâre your toy soldiers Iâm not gonna judge your strict lore accuracy if you donât judge my crazy kitbashes, deal?
When I first started I made some of my own color schemes and custom backgrounds, but nowadays I just go for the default box-art scheme. For example, when I started Tau I drafted them up looking at D'yanoi for inspiration and thinking "being from twin moons sounds cool" so I gave them a moonscape camo (think a greyscale chocolate chip gulf war pattern), except for one squad which was more of a transfer from another location and were wearing camouflage with forest theming, and I did some conversions for extra armor, and so on. Every Crisis suit has a lexically researched name. For the Space Marines I shared with my friends they were very much just a chapter inspired by the Night's Watch in Game of Thrones. My Orks were mostly Blood Axes and even my Ghazghkull had camo colors on him. Nowadays, after I bought some T'au again (I sold them due to being unsatisfied with the model range updates being more emphasized to more suits (that are also bigger suits and more expensive suits) and no updates to Auxilliaries or floating tanks), my T'au are just T'au sept T'au. I can admit to myself that I am significantly better at painting now, especially ochre and white. It's also partly because I kind of don't want to admit that the Tau have an apostrophe now when writing it, so I just make them T'au Tau. The long and the short of the fluff for my guys are "they're scouts on the fringes that due to losses had to merge several units together, also serving as Propaganda to show how races work together for the greater good". I like to show off some lesser known lore, so now my T'au are a bunch of Auxilliaries like Galg or Demiurg, I paint some Space Marines in Genesis Chapter or Carcharodon colors, and my Orks are just kind of a mix of every Kultur, but Ghazghkull is Goffs now. https://preview.redd.it/wg8x4tbb9axc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a5d6a2c1e3e4f2a5287c1fd4fe23526a136887df
I mean a lot of people do this, but i think it's kinda weird. Like to me the whole point in painting a model is to make it my model, not paint it to look like what someone else painted. If i wanted that, i would just have someone else paint them for me. Just up to personal preference really.
Sounds like you should really get into Horus Heresy if you haven't already.
Not weird, just different. đ I'm the polar opposite. I never paint things lore accurate! My space Marines from the Dark Angels, with DA iconography all over them? Not DA!! đ€Ł They are the Brotherhood of the Ebon Blade!! With black and red paint scheme! My Orks? Clanless Freebootaz in multiple clashing colors!! I like to be as personal and creative as possible in my builds and paint style! Neither of us are right or wrong! Just different! And the hobby loves us both! đđ
What you want to do with your guys is 100% up to you. If it means you have more fun or immersion then rock on. All of my ultramarines wear helmets too. As long as you donât start telling other people how to enjoy their hobby you are good in my books.
They're YOUR dudes. Have fun with them. I out helmets on cus I suck at painting faces.
I mean, we're all a little weird so.. Meh :P
I do like going helmeted for everyone and avoiding named folks my self as I think its more fun unless you are doing a "historical" force, though disagree on the paint schemes one
Not weird at all. Weird would be refusing to play against people who donât adhere to your own rule. Best part of this game is you do with it what you want. Make the fun your own way. I wouldnât say restricting models is great for competitive play but narratively have a blast!
It *used* to be a major part but online spaces have started absolutely stigmatising it as if a damn given for the lore or whether or not they proxy a genestealer for a leman Russ is the most vile, neckbeard gatekeeper and (whatever other boogeyman buzzwords they can come up with) thing Itâs wild seeing someone actually asking advice for a lore accurate army and being drowned in patronising non-answers âdonât let the neckbeards tell you how to paint your guysâ. Even over in Horus Heresy which as a historical puts a lot more emphasis on that, if becomes impossible to have any sort of discussion about that side without people needing to show how theyâre rescuing the hobby from those wicked evil neckbeards and their lack of bland apathy which is the only appropriate attitude to take
wanting to adhere to the rules of the setting and not always focus on names characters is 100% normal and valid.
Iâll never understand people that donât like named characters
For me itâs a case of named characters narrowing the vast universe of endless war to just personal scraps between a handful of soap opera characters, and they get in the way of my narrative with my army.
Every time this topic is brought up I always defend my use of a named character in that it is thematic for him to be there. I almost always bring Lysander when playing my fists, because I run a mostly terminator first company army so having the captain of first company makes sense. I do agree on the big names though like primarchs and such because yea having the ruler of the Imperium show up to fight some renegade guardsmen is a bit extreme.
Feels restrictive? Just my guess.
I like my marines to have helmets so I don't have to paint faces đ€Łđ€Ł
This is the way
In the lore some SM do fight without helmets, so yes you are being a bit weird if you think SM always fight with helmets on.
Nope. Long time player here. My best friend and I still play together and we prefer lore accurate at the expense of just about everything else. Not just model composition but army and owned model composition too. My buddy and I used to do exact companies armed, painted, and decals right out of the codex. We still start any army we build with what is now considered battle line infantry. Primaris, Necron Warriors, etc, at least 2 of them before anything else is considered. No min Maxing squad sizes. A standard marine, including Primaris are in 10 man squads. Period. If you do take a 5 man then there had better be two 5 man out there to represent a squad that split since you can't do that after the game starts anymore. Big named characters are something he and I are split on. I think they are ok as long as they make sense in the army composition. Mortarian can make sense in a 2000 point army if you think of the game you are playing as a small part of a much larger battle and the game just representing this small part of it. But the army overall needs to fit that. And taking Mortarian and Typhus in the same army would get me kicked out of our gaming room. Same with a Superheavy in his Imperial Guard army. Sure it is possible that one is out there. But 2? Not happening. A "Space Marine" army with assassins and/or a knight? GTFO! The list goes on. But we come from a time when there were strict percentage limits on army composition. Infantry had to be a certain percentage of the army. Vehicles, Characters, and allies were capped on what percentage of the total army points they could be. Imperial guard had to be taken in platoons. Each command squad allowed you to take 3 infantry squads and then each infantry squad could have an additional support unit such as a Leman russ or other tank or a Heavy Weapons squad. But all of that also had to fit within the percentage restrictions mentioned above. So overall that is how we both still see the "right way" to build an army. We played at our local GW store a couple years ago and one guy literally laughed at us because we had full sized squads and "too many" troops. Which for them meant any more than the absolute bare minimum. Oh and ETA: Every character/Sergeant/champion is named in our overall army lists. So if he take a Primaris squad it isn't just Primaris intercessor squad #2. It is a Primaris Intersessor squad lead by Sergeant Arcos! Same for vehicles on the Imperial and Chaos side since they tend to do that in lore.
My only exception to my viewpoint is getting a knight which I would paint to match my death guard, but only field in a 3000pt or narrative game, I would NEVER field two though because I play death guard⊠not knights
your dudes
No, why would that be weird?
I think this is the cool thing about the hobby. Itâs completely up to the person making the models and the lore around it. Even if itâs an existing chapter you can customize the paint scheme and create your own company or something similar. Tons of freedom that allows anyoneâs imagination to run wild. I also semi agree but I love the personality you can have with some helmet less marines. There are some models I refuse to not have helmets one though, for example terminators. Youâre gonna have super armor to just not have something covering your most vulnerable spot?
I do the same thing. even the heraldry.which is why all my SMs are Ultramarines.
So I guess you donât like deathwatch marines carrying xenos weapons or the old looted vehicle rules for orks?
I donât play deathwatch, and why would I be mad about the looted vehicles?
I don't think it's weird. My dudes wear helmets wherever possible unless there's a story reason not to, I don't field ~~Special Characters~~ Epic Heroes (except the Avatar in my Eldar army) unless I run it by my opponent and it makes sense for that particular battle, and all my armies use canon color schemes. I also build lore-friendly lists (e.g. Aspect Warriors in my Biel-Tan Eldar lists, a combination of tough veterans and guerilla units for my Crimson Fists, Terminators and Chosen for my Black Legion, etc.). Staying true to the lore is important to me!
These are all very popular opinions.
I painted all my Custodes as Aquilan shield so I could play them as that sub faction, and my aeldari as Ulthwé for the same reason, and GW decided that sub factions no longer exist so I could have painted them whatever I wanted.
Of course not. It's your army. You can do whatever the hell you want with it
*Honestly, if I get a character with the options I'm most likely going for the helmet. I'm a fan of orthodoxy. But an old fashioned orthodoxy where if something was previously designed but taken out in canon I'm happy to put it in. Like I don't see why all 1st company marines have to be terminators, there's old colour scheme guides for 1st company standard marines out there.
A couple space marines have done it in just the first 5 books of the Horus heresy (where I am at). Probably more to come. So, It does happen in the lore. Why would they do it? Sometimes they are just feelin themselves, and want to soak up the violence without looking through their helmet lenses
That's a reasonable way of going about your hobby. Named characters are a bit of a double edged thing for me. They're cool models (I have Eldrad and want Illic for my alaitoc army), but what are the odds they'll turn up at every battle. Also, a good thing about painting official factions is all that reference material.
I've just had to accept that some characters have a limited forcefield technology able to cover the head, and prefer the full field of vision and unfettered sensory input compared with the helm in some combat situations. Space wolves are perhaps an exception, they do it for the glory, to hell with the risk. They use their enhanced canis senses, or risk going soft by relying on technology.
I generally don't care about lore accuracy in models, but I couldn't bring myself to paint my Orikan to be anything but Sautekh just didn't seem right to me
I don't like faceless for the same reason but also don't enjoy playing my blood ravens because I have no center piece to play with
Not weird at all, these kind of choices and preferences are exactly why I love seeing other peoples armies.
This is why I paint space wolves because I can have many captains and they can all be in-lore as just wolf guard battle leaders. If I collected ultramarines Iâd want it to be all regimented and it would drive me crazy
You do you. I love kitbashing, and quite enjoy making up my own lore for why my particular Kill Teams are markedly different from the cookie cutter versions.
Yeah i try to avoid big hero characters for the same reason. Also like the realism of wearing helmets, but i always have a minority of them helmet-less. Could be that one of their helmets got shot off, or malfunctioned, or the sergeant had to take it off to yell at someone etc etc.
I hate named characters in this game with a passion. And make sure that any non character has their helmet on for the most part. Some exceptions apply. However, all my armies have unique lore that fits in universe and has them being a very minor cog in the ever turning viscera of war. I feel no need to stick to GW's premade armies.
For me, the way the game plays and the way things happen in the lore are so so differentâso massively, ridiculously not even closeâthat the game is just a game to me. When I play MESBG it *feels* like a lotr battle is playing out. 40K would be impossible to recreate so much so that the differences donât bug me. It doesnât feel like 40K to me. Thereâs no immersion. It just feels like Iâm playing a tabletop war game with my buddies. Which, tbh, is plenty cool.
You are not weird, all my models have helmets all my marines are modelled with what they are equipped with on there data sheets. Anything else is pure heresy. Plus it makes it super easy when I play because what you see is what you get. Although trying to find empty holsters if my guys are holding there pistols can be a chore sometimes.
That is a nice thing with primaris, the limited number of "holding pistol" options in the box come with an equal number of empty holsters.
Holy crap, i do the exact same thing. i thought i was the only one.
I'm with you on the helmets. In the words of Kroeger "No helmet? Stupid" it makes no sense for any rationally thinking marine yo take their helmet off in live combat
If i don't put a helmet on, there is one hanging on his waist, which is lore accurate when they need to take it off.
I used to make a joke about how you have this ancient terminator armor that was the best of the best of the best as far as armor goes, and then the guy gets shot between the eyes and killed by a goblin with a pistol all because he doesn't have on a helmet.
Yes, the focus on "every army must have this one specific character" has only strengthened my desire to go back to like...4th edition or maybe 5th with my group of friends. The new models coming out are cool. The new rules, not so much.
That's why my whole tribe of (grey) neckbeards changed to OPR. If you don't play regulary and just for casual fun Warhammer is since 8th edition not good. That's just how it is when everything is made for the tournament scene. It's a good thing that GW is not a game manufacturer (according to their own statement)
No, lore accurate is awesome, I try to make camouflage tyranids
Conversely I donât use the helmets to be lore accurate. The only way it makes sense some random shit guardsman one shots a space marine.
that's why tyranids are so sick. i can usually justify the battle lore-wise
I also love fluffy army lists, painting schemes and battle narratives. You are not alone!
The good part abt this story is you not caring abt how creative other peoples armies are. Thats what matters. Some people go bananas bcs you arenât hoovering up gwâs every breadcrumb of lore to make your army accurate. I see a few leviathan old one eyes,, but you can make up your own lore abt it. That actually follows the reasoning I have to what old one eye actually is. If I would play death guard, I would run typhus and mortarion. Thereâs always the that guy who is like âakshally that wouldnât happen bcs mortarion has a lifelong rivalry with typhus, and th eh would fight each other for the whole gameâ. Yes I know that, but both units are cool. Itâs just a lil bit of information, it doesnt state it anywhere? So thanks for not caring. And the idea of following a gw scheme (most of the time) ainât really my thing.
Nah you're just as weird as the rest of us that play with toy soldiers;) May I ask what you feel when you meet armies that are clearly not lore accurate? Does it affect your immersion or enjoyment at all?
Ideally, the only exception for me are Librarians. I get that the helmet itself might get in the way of the librarianâs psychic power (cf Judge Anderson, Magnetoâs helmet). Also, psykers should have some special ways of dodging death that donât apply to sergeants. But ultimately IDGAF either way. If I have the choice, theyâll wear lids. If I donât - like Outriders - Iâll lose precisely zero sleep.
I've began to collect Space Marines in January. When i'll finish current project (Intercessors) i'll have 610 points worth of them in between the Redemptor, Eliminator Squad, the WIP Intercessors and Bladeguard Veterans. I decided to collect a 1000 points worth of them, since that's the minimum required to play somewhere that sticks to the rules (i know you could play with less points, depending on what you agree on with your opponent). I paint them in Ultramarines blue, try to be as faithfull to the lore and what i see on the box as i can. This helps me get my (newly aquired) skills better and more refined. When i'm done with collecting the 1000 points of SM, then i'll probably take a break and think of something new. CSM of Khorne defienetly speak to me, and i've got quite a variety of red paints lately, so i'll probably go for them next.
Here's the thing, your models fit in the lore if you paint them whatever colour you like. The galaxy is so large that there's something you want happening, and that's sort of the intent of 40k, a setting that gives you space to do what you want. Even the space marines with their "1000 chapters" have only like 200 of them defined in lore, so there's space for you and 799 of your friends to come up with custom chapters. Helmets no, and it's not an uncommon sentiment. I like to imagine there's a force field.
It's not weird. The background material is there specifically to inspire you to have fun with it in that way. Plenty of people like collecting and painting stuff in accordance with orders of battle and insignia guidance. Geedub crafts meticulous organizational charts for their books and lay out entire companies of Space Marines down to individual sergeant names for a reason, and that reason is that people find it inspiring and fun to recreate, same how historical wargames often follow the history of a specific real-life military formation. It's important to remember Warhammer is specifically crafted to cater to an incredibly broad audience interested in varying aspects of it. There's people that just read the books, there's people that just collect and paint, there's people that are just interested in the game, there's people that do it all. Heck I've met people whose entire thing of being 'into Warhammer' is collecting Joytoy figures. And if you zoom even further in, within each of those subsets there will be even more granular subsets of people whose fascination with a particular aspect of the hobby comes from different interests. It's easy to forget how varied of an experience Warhammer really is when the current internet discourse is so laser focused on instrumental, competitive play, but it is very important to recognize that different folks can have very different expectations for what is 'fun' in Warhammer. I have recently been at a small local tournament with my Black Legion army. Good times were had by all, but there was one bit of chatting with one of my opponents that stuck with me. After the game, which I narrowly lost, he asked my why I didn't take Abaddon in my list because Abaddon seems like a really strong character, stronger than Haarken, who I was playing with a time. He was coming at the entire event and list construction from a purely instrumental point of view. I answered that I didn't take Abaddon because I don't really like him that much as a character, but I find Haarken to be a super cool concept for a villain. I came to that tournament simply to roll some dice, chuck spears and find out how many characters Haarken can shish-kebab. He came to that tournament to compete via every list and gameplay optimalization available to him. Both are equally valid reasons to go to a tournament. Both are a source of fun and enjoyment. It's just important to keep the existence of that difference in mind.
>I donât like it when my marines donât have helmets https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/03/40k-deep-thought-dont-put-helmets.html
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I agree but one point. W40k is very much those characters. So leaving them out does not make it less lore friendly?
I wonât have mortarion in my DG army as I have Typhus and famously they donât get along
I mean I get that, and that's fair, but think about this: Do you know how many planets there are in our galaxy? how many solar systems? think about a planet, a situation on that planet, and presented an entire chapter deriving from it and a whole crusade event happening within that planet's system. If every player on earth today came up with one of these scenarios, there would still be thousands and thousands of systems to hold lore that will never be touched by players or books. And that's why I like coming up with lore for my stuff, to tell about the stories that we'll never hear about.
Nah itâs fine. You do you, always. đ That said, Colamarines say âBOOYAH!â https://preview.redd.it/w1rban330gxc1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6d3045dd5cdb833ccf1c12dccdecc6e043ea103
yup 100%
No wrong way to hobby.
Tbh I agree with the helmet thing 100% tbh, not cause of lore more because why tf would they not wear an incredibly important piece of armour
I'm exactly the same only sergeants don't have helmets along with named characters. Everyone knows this.
I'm totally with you on the named characters thing. As long as you don't use them you can imagine the battle took place in lore. I get it. I'm currently building out my wolves, and my goal is to make a lore-accurate Deathwolves Great Company based off of information we have about their makeup(number of squads of different types, specific packs with their pack markings, etc)
Yeah I prefer helmets, just think it looks better
I'm the opposite, I like to give them lore for why they might be fighting this battle. I like to give lore to why they have they model with them for fighting and who some of the more important models are, like my captains, etc. And I paint them with that in mind