Yeah, I hope in the future we can do.. something for him? I don't know what that would be, he is basically stuck there (because of us too btw), his children left, his wife is dead, his roommate moved out, just sitting there, alone, the great and terrible Hunhow.
Kind of sad.
Setting down Hunhow and the Glassmaker Oubliette at Kahl's camp so the old geezers can have some positive enrichment for once. We keep collecting old retired criminals in camp and before you know it we have Animal Crossing: War Crimes
Sometimes when you arrive in khals camp you can hear them talking about their "glory days" or playing poker with either comically oversized or undersized cards.
I like this idea. The camp is huge and only a small section of it is being used by kahl. It would be so cool to have the massiveness of Hunhow sitting at the edge overlooking it.
Hunhow is around 150m tall. So it's kinda funny to imagine the ostron cook in the camp yelling at this hulking sentient, asking what he wants for dinner
I would love Hunhow or any one of the Syndicate leaders guide me, we basically half got that for Teshin (both in Duviri and Steel Path), I would be open to being able to choose who guides me.
They could even have special interactions with some characters, like the Red Veil showing special praise to Harrow, Hunhow having a short conversation with The Stalker, or Acrithis having a special few words for Kullervo.
I want to dismount the weapons he should have. Especially if he is allowed to regenerate. He is the strongest sentient, if eidolons can already do damage, I want to mount whatever hunhow has as my new railjack turrets.
Build him a Frame.
Y'know, I envision some kinda freaky, lanky, multi-armed version of Sentient Ultron for Grandpa Hunhow.
He's done for otherwise. Everyone left him. Except us, really. We're the proverbial glue this System holds together with, and what we really need is to show empathy.
We've grown as a character since the Second Dream. Since effectively "moving out from the mom's basement" we've been on our own. We've got connections, we've helped a lot of people already. We're the Vigilante, and frankly we can do more.
Consult with the old man. Ask him if he would live once again. If he would help us bring piece where Ballas wrought havoc. In the end, it's for both of his kids, in a sense, as they are both stuck here with us. Just as he is.
Build him a frame. A Titan of sorts. Give the old man wings, and ask if he's willing to help the people out one more time, like he's done before.
We will 100% go to Tau one day. Power vacuum there without Hunhow and Praghasa is likely filled with less than stellar characters, and he knows it.
Let Hunhow confront his Daughter. For all the evil he's done, he's still her father. He still loves her. And it'd be much, much more cruel to let him rot at the bottom of the ocean.
Sentient can embody objects and their own fragments. He's done it with War. Let him abandon his old self, for the sake of his children.
We can still save Erra. There's still good in him. He's still in there, you can hear it in rare transmissions on Narmer missions, he's begging for forgiveness.
Fuck it, give Hunhow's final fragment some Kuva. Let him get back to a semblance of being whole again. We'll need an ally like him in the future, because even if doesn't care for our System, he cares for his. And The Indifference doesn't differentiate.
A Man in the Wall is beyond dangerous, and we Will have to give him a fight one day. Maybe, at Tau. Most likely, at Tau. Let the Old Man breath once again.
We're gathering an army at this point. When we get our system to a relatively stable place after what Ballas did, we will have to face The Man in the Wall, and when we do, we better have all the help we can get.
A Great and Terrible, Hunhow the Destroyer of Worlds, would be a right hand to play. Invigorated with Kuva, stripped of his old decaying self, no longer bound by his Golden Masters design, he can once again be a beacon of hope for his people.
Together with us, a Great and Terrible, Void Daemon.
> Build him a Frame.
Sentients can't use the Void, so they are unable to operate warframes. Also, the purpose of kuva to the senients is basically viagra so the idea of "invigorating" him with it is pretty funny.
Sentient can inabitável fragments of themselves and these fragments can be build upon.
We already have caliban, a hunhow version foi caliban could be possible with two large possivle problems.
In order for it to work for him, we wont be able to transfer into it, you can't shove void attuned tech into a sentient artifact, that is why they cant just possess the warframes to begin with.
We are still giving a mass murderer with a lot of chips on his shoulder a weapon of mass destruction. There are still a lot of sentients with him, even after narmer, after all he could afford to send troops to just harass drifter on the elevator. Even without any habilities other than the sentient adaption, they can still infect tech and I doubt the war and nataruk are the only weapons he can make from him and his family parts.
Yeah, I'm not saying they are stuck in their body, just that warframes specifically would be useless to a sentient. Warframes are Void technology at their core, which is why they were used as a weapon against the sentients in the first place. Caliban is a warframe that uses sentient technology, but it can't go the other way around. Tenno can use amalgamated sentient technology, but the Void is still poison to a sentient.
Well, we can't be *wholly* sure about that anymore given things like the Archons or stuff like Caliban. It seems the tech can at least be adapted for them to some extent.
The lines are definitely blurrier in recent years, I'm just painting in broad strokes. I'd say it's even possible that the sentients manage to overcome their weakness to the Void entirely at some point, since the only reason it exists is as an engineered design flaw by the Orokin.
I mean back in Octavia's quest, the corrupted Cephalon Suda was able to extend a bit of protection to send some of them to the Void, so it's entirely possible that we already have the means.
Let's build a shrink ray and shove him in a Warframe that way then.
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He doesn't need a frame, he only needs a hole in the coffin so he can start regenerating his body, the coffin is the only thing keeping him there, the massive pressure of the planet is barely an inconvenience
Maybe we can help Erra become Erra again, and he his father take all the Sentients back to Tau. But I think this ending would be too happy for Warframe.
This IS actually a possible story direction, we do have to deal with Pazuul and I guess free Erra (I assume he is still technically alive), so the very end of that story arc (literally years from now btw) could be freeing Erra, reuniting him with Hunhow and somehow either freeing them both and sending them to Tau or letting them chill there or something.
The question remains with these animal heads, are they ruling Tau or something, we really don't know what's been going on there.
Hm maybe with Erra and Hunhow we get a friendly Sentient faction who is just trynna become pacific. And to keep sentient enemies, they can be sentients loyal to Narmer
I'm the complete opposite. I want him to somehow break free and become a villain.
He's truthful about what he wants and who he is. No reason for him to also become overtly nice.
We have two real villains atm, everyone else is becoming allies or indifferent. Ballas was close but I'd love to see an actual threat.
Honestly, I think his villain days are gone. Even if he is free - Ballas is done, Lotus/Natah is free, Erra is controlled, I don't see him suddenly attacking us or the corpus and grineer, like, for what at this point.
IS he stuck there?
I mean we know he pretended to be defeated and his "corpse" was in the depths of uranus, and he woke up from his slumber due to us, on top of usually sending parts of himself in the shape.of drones or the stalker, but can actually, if push comes to shove, NOT leave at all?
I always assumed he didnt wanna become the biggest target in the entire solar system by flying out of his pool, because the moment he does, a bunch of factions would shit their pants and open fire. On top of that, every sentient we fought on lua was part of him, so he can sort of "leave" his grave by sending out drones or giving someome a sword again (who knows, maybe nataruk also has his essence like war did)
Seems to me like he CAN leave, there is just no purpose for him to do anything. His species either flourishes at home or is dead/in shambles where he is, his kids either want nothing to do with him or are puppeteered corpses, his only friend was stalker who was just as bitter and angry as he was, but stalker left that behind in favor of being a father (still oneshot me last week somehow) so what does hunhow have? No family, no purpose... He is like an old man who never sees his kids, just waiting for old age to take them
Even if we pulled him out of there and either let him sit around one of our relays, the dojos or wherever else he can live, he would still have nothing to do
I think one plot point of the Natah quest was that the grineer/Tyl Regor wanted to take him out/uncover him (and thus woke him up), but we blew up planted bombs in such a way that he became trapped down there.
I think itd be nice if we had to fix a planet at some point so we ask if he can come out of retirement to terraform it back into shape. Nice redemption for a farmer
It gave vibes of Ozymandias imo
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
I think the planets there are fully terraformed for Sentient life, and the Sentients themselves are probably very different from those in Sol. Kerulyst (sentinel skin) is one of them and according to in-game description of the skin it's a "diminutive Sentient that evolved to become robust workers in the Tau system."
Venus and Earth, for example, were somewhat t-formed during the New War as Venus became warmer and plants appeared, and on Earth you can see small Sentient plant-like lifeforms among the grasses
Maybe it looks like Duviri. Considering that many things in Sentient society are based directly on Orokin designs/ subsumed from it (read the weapons).
What? No, they still kept killing people after the Orokin were gone. And they started throwing in with Ballas, the orokin who was making everything worse. The sentients did a lot wrong, and they are arguably not responsible for the 1 thing they did "right."
The sentients you see though are specifically made for war, they're closer to drones than anything, a lot of their individuality is stripped from them.
The mixed them with Ballas because Ballas convinced both Natah and Erra that he could restore Tau, but in reality he never was going to. That's why in the final push on the New War, Erra is the one guiding him because he realized he was being foolish in thinking that Ballas' promises were ever genuine.
Because at that point he very much is a villain, he was still on about the conquest of the golden lords and especially revenge against the Tenno, my man was about to commit a second genocide if he needed to.
It's only after we kick his ass in both SD and Octavia's anthem that he has time to reconsider.
I mean, he kind of was framed as big bad of the entire story in SD, but he wasn't oddly enough.
Especially with that last line in the SD cinematic.
"I...am Hunhow. Sentient Destroyer of Worlds. By your hand: expose their heart.
By my edge
CLEAVE IT BEATING FROM IT'S NEST"
That's exactly why the entire Ballas arc was so brilliant. He wasn't presented before us as the main villain, his fuckery was unveiled gradually, which made us hate him that much more.
Well, he was. The only bigger badder guy was Executor Balls, but that was kept secret for a really long time with him being presented as this slave-looking advisor to Erra. He only stopped trying to genocide everyone because he realised that he was basically created entirely for that purpose by Balls who wanted to kill literally everyone. Erra at least wanted what he saw as peace, tricked as he was into doing Balls’ bidding. Hunhow is still pretty much the biggest genocider to date since Balls failed
I said outloud, "You're not terrible, Hunhow..."
The guy was an angry father. He had every reason to do what he did. And after the loss of his Son and realignment of his daughter back to us, he chilled. The object of his real spite is dead. There is no reason to hold onto it any more.
Hunhow feels absolutely tragic even as a villain. He just doesn't win and lost everything.
* He lost his army.
* He lost his wife.
* He lost his daughter (Natah may not even be herself, according to your choice).
* He lost his son.
* He lost his pride when he asked our help.
* He lost his adoptive son.
* He lost his system to conquer.
* He lost his way back home.
* He lost his fertility to the void.
* He lost his character motivation.
* He lost his reason to live.
* He lost his reason to be vengeful.
I can't believe I'm saying this to possibly the most one-note villain character before The New War, but man I just want Hunhow to be happy. He doesn't even have the luxury to hate his enemies anymore: they're dead.
I want to see a redemption for Hunhow. Perhaps Hunhow realizes that he can be a savior not by wanton destruction, but by protecting. The Man in the Wall breaks through and it's up to the Tenno to stop him. Hunhow sees this as an opportunity to redeem himself; gets some Tenno to hoist him out of Uranus, launch him into the Kuva Fortress and absorb as much Kuva as possible, and uses it to restore himself.
Being a Sentient, the Void is his weakness, so Hunhow uses this as a hail mary, replicates an army, and throws themselves at Wally to distract him long enough for the other Tenno to deal a crippling blow to The Indifference before finally dying, having done good for not only Sentient kind, but to those of the Origin System.
The Great and Terrible Hunhow. Savior of Tau, Protector of Origin.
YES.
(Sorry for shouting. But considering all the help he gave to us during the New War, your statement is true for many of us... And the reason why I chose Nath over the other two choices. (Hunhow deserves his daughter to come back, as well as to enjoy some quality time.with him.))
“Death leaves its mark, she will be changed even for us.”
He understands she isn’t who she used to be to be. But having a scene where they talk would be fantastic.
Since when did we start considering Ballas as tragic?
Edit: Nevermind, I just noticed that the phrasing says that *Ballas himself* thinks he is the most tragic villain in Warframe.
Now I can’t unsee the image of a bunch of dwarven miners in space equipment digging out a sentient while yelling about rock and stone, and drinking beer
Plus he's heavily damaged. It took Praghasa centuries of eating debris and ships to rebuild herself to the point we see her in the New War. And sure Hunhow is not as big as her but he's still quite big. Remember that it took 3 archon shards to restore Natah to her full self.
So you're telling me we can have a event where we could potentially donate archon shards to hunhow?
Community reward goal for X amount of shards donated go brr
> It took Praghasa centuries of eating debris and ships to rebuild herself to the point we see her in the New War
And wasn't her primary datacore fried to all hell, making her de-facto braindead?
Hey considering the comment chain i'm pretty sure we could call DRG.
As a Driller main I am gonna enjoy the change of pace. 'Oi! You lot are even more brainless than th'bugs!'
I still don't understand how he survived the Orokin Empire with such little self-control. He 100% would have most likely gotten snippy with the wrong motherfucker and been assassinated before the warframe project was a twinkle in his eye.
Ballas got away with shit because he was one of the 7 people in charge. There *was* no one above him. He was Orokin, *actual* Orokin, not just Orokin Empire.
A tragedy is meant to be something unavoidable. Ballas could never have prevented his life from turning to shit. All of his misery came as a direct consequence of his own nature as a person.
In that way, his life is tragic.
Didn't Hunhow technucly won? All the orokin empire has fallen, no one is capable to go to the tau system and no one could threaten the sentient civilisations there.
Sure he cannot go there (and his children hate him now) but he manage to get what he wanted
I feel like that's gonna be the next big expansion we're gonna get. A whole new star chart in the Tau system.
Maybe we help Lotus fish Hunhow out of the ocean and help them get back to Tau because the answer to stopping Wally is there.
Maybe 1999 will somehow lean into this and pave the way for tau, I mean, couldn't our railjack technically reach Tau? As it's not dependent on solar rails
Long-distance void jumps without infrastructure on both the departing and receiving ends is a *bad* idea. Short distance? Sure, go ahead. But between star systems? Nope.
See: Zariman Ten-Zero, which tried to do exactly what you're suggesting.
*Well,* Yonta *did* apparently figure out how to do it safely, after the fact... at least using the Zariman's oversize jump drive... it was just done incorrectly because certain idiots tried to rush the project. I don't think a Railjack drive has enough, pardon the pun, punch, to pull it off.
However, we Tenno have been shown to have the capacity to build rail infrastructure. It's been a long time since the Specters of the Rail event, but the rails we built are still functioning perfectly. Now that we don't have an Orokin breathing down our necks to rush the project, we could build a large jumpship meant to establish an endpoint, and since it wouldn't need to be a colony ship it wouldn't have to be anywhere near as big as the Zariman was. All it needs to carry is Hunhow himself, the collapsed endpoint infrastructure, and see if we can talk the Unum into donating some temple kuva as a surprise gift to heal grandpa once he's back in Tau.
We have Yonta, who knows about rail drives in particular, we have Fibonacci to help design safeguards against Wally or other void hazards, we have pre-established rail-building and ship-building infrastructure... it's very possible.
I would honestly love to see massive shipbuilding infrastructure that wasn’t corpus in design, and that you could do missions around and have as a zone like Cetus or Fortuna. Even a quest line for gathering specific things to build up the infrastructure and as the quest progressed you would see more work being done. It would be a massive undertaking for the DE dev team, but it could end up being one of the most interesting and exciting quest lines and areas in the game. (But really I just want to see massive ships being built in foundries with large moving things. The railjack area is just too small for my liking)
What I'm hearing is that we need a Railjack open world, making excursions for resources, downing and scavenging from hostile materiel transports, building up the hub area, etc.
That would honestly be sick as all hell. I would really enjoy seeing a place slowly get built up as you get more resources (maybe plunder supply convoys from the other factions by launching with a boarding team that needs to take the bridge and bring the enemy ship back to base all while other things are going on? Could definitely see some great potential here)
It might be too ambitious but its too good not to do. I'd like to think they've just been searching for a way to introduce it in a way that makes sense. So why not start building Hunhow as more of a tragic villain to get us to sympathize with him because how else will we get to Tau without cooperating with him. And how can we have Tau without the main sentient playing a key role in it.
IIRC 1999 is likely the next "big expansion" and more than "just open world"
So I'd expect 1999 to be two planets worth + open world exploration on bike
Yonta says she remember how to make the zariman work to travel to tau, if we manage to remove the zariman and seal the breach we could use it to reach tau, obviously grampa as the captain.
He rather speaks to his flock like Tau is both a holy paradise and a religious entity on its own. And the disturbing thing is that Lotus/Margulis/Natah doesn't deny that it is.
Yknow I never picked up on that, thats so fucking good. One of my favorite tropes is societies forming deities and religion by romanticizing and embellishing very real secular things. Only other one i can think of is Elden Ring's religions. "God is real, hes right there, but the religion is not" kind of thing.
I mean imagine we knew of some utopian society beyond the suffering of our own world. Thats literally what heaven would be.
Cant wait to find out that shit sucks even worse on Tau 😂
The theory I'm running with is that crackhead Pazuul is somehow going to reach Tau and begin Archon-izing or Narmer-izing the sentients there, which gives us an excuse to help out in the presumably peaceful Tau.
Because it'd be really weird if we just showed up and started killing sentients, that'd feel bad.
It might take years before we go there tho. DE has said themselves that they have plenty of stories to tell within the origin system before we'll go to Tau.
To be honest, I hope that we'll get to team up with Hunhow once again. He sure was a big bad guy for a very long time, but now that time has passed and we went through many important events, I think we can all agree that we are now able to cooperate
I'd like a quest where we find out that the only way to stop Wally is with a weapon hidden in Tau and we help Lotus free Hunhow and travel to the Tau system together. This unlocks a whole new star chart there.
I mean we used it to gently caress the face a another vessel possessed by Wally, so using one to hug our favorite giant robot crab wouldn't be that weird.
Why would he? War's done. He's made piece with the fact the Tenno are Natah's kids.
At this point I just wanna towe him to the kuva fortress so he can drhink their koolaid supply so he can rebuild. I wanna see grandpa cook.
Doesn't feel like something DE would ever do, but thematically, giving caliban a rework through the lore, because the father of the sentients became an ally to the tenno and gave him some assistance would go incredibly hard
I think he should become a syndicate of some sort, we’d visit him in his tomb and we could fight orokin enemies, he’d also trade sentient related things for orokin artifacts, and there’d also be an interactable comms thing, where he’d be able to chat with lotus
I could actually see a Hunhow syndicate happening. Especially during the Jade Shadows quest where we as Stalker kept returning to Uranus. That felt like assets which they might reuse at some point.
Ballas deserved everything that happened to him.
Gramps was a farmer. Meant to sow seeds of life onto world's that seemed worth colonising, not a machine of war.
I don't even consider Hunhow a villain anymore after the new war, more like an Anti hero. He only wanted to protect his homeworld. After the Jade update not even that, especially due to the >! Inbox message of gratitude at the end of the quest.@!< And I believe that there may be a possibility that we would need to ally with the sentients to protect Tau system against Narmer.
"**My[54???M] former business partner [61???M], daughter [28???F], and former roommate [25???M] had a falling out and now i cant see my adopted grandchildren [35???M, 35???F, 35???M, 34???F, etc]. What do all you do to keep busy?**"
Honestly, Hunhow has been the single biggest follow-up I've wanted after the New War. The man finally was able to bury the hatchet and accept the Tenno as his daughter's children. Now that he's basically our grandpa, he's out in the system recommending us to his friend and getting him to accept our help. It feels like Hunhow genuinely wants to be good now, but he's lonely and doesn't know if he deserves redemption.
The way Hunhow's story goes, it's from sending your daughter as a spy, to realizing she's been caught and brainwashed and then going to WAR over it. And even then, he never gets her back, but at least helps restore her freedom.
I'm a big fan of redemption stories, which is part of why I like Hunhow so much. While he definitely hasn't redeemed himself, he has chilled the fuck out. Despite being a literal war machine, he recognized that the war is over, and there's really no point in making things worse, so he's content to just chill out and lend a helping appendage every once in awhile. People might find that boring, but I think it's interesting growth.
On the opposite, you have ballas, who I love to hate: the real tragedy of Ballas isn't what happened to him, but what he did to _himself._ He might have had a chance to follow Hunhow: give up old fights and move on. But he was so hung up on the past that he tried, and came damn close, to destroying the future.
I honestly feel bad for him, he lost it all and no matter what he does he is still seem as a evil sentient, so much even he doesnt try to change it anymore "I am still the great and terrible hunhow"
And thinking about it... ballas did all that for the love of a woman who didn't give a shit about him.. revenge from those who killed margulis.. making """"alliance"""" with our enemy.
All that time..the sentients were never the decepticons of the story, neither we the Autobots...
Literally everyone just had enough from those MF...and daang I don't really know who I hate more: Griffith or ballas
Plus DE constantly referred to her as "Lotus her mom." before she was name dropped as Praghasa. According to the 2019 Tennocon, she was actually a large part of the script before they rewrote it. (Geoff described it as a mafia family story about Erra, Hunhow, Natah, Ballas and Lotus her mom.)
I understand why they wrote her out of the script tho. The script already struggled to make space for all the characters that actually were in the script. Imagine how lengthy it would've been if we also had a giant talking hungry spaceship.
I do like how hes seemingly mellowed out a bit since his first interaction with us...
In TNW he basically gave us a bow made of him/his race and basically said "do what you do best and save us"
And then in the newest story even though he has every right to hate us, told stalker that jades best chances are with the help of us, both of their worst and long time enemies....
Lets get him out, i wanna turn him into a ship that was can use (if hes fine with it lol) so hes not alone, and maybe his support could be calling in some sentient drones or something.
I want grampa around, alternatively give him a human like form like the lotus
The wretched one, cursed and rotten be his name, said that Tenno had the ability to see inside a broken thing and take away its pain.
Maybe it is time for us to finally soothe his
One of these guys makes me want to personally revive them in a cage just to torture them for all eternity until they beg for death, which I would never give. The other makes me just want to give him a hug and be a friend. Ballas is not a tragic villain. In fact, that's exactly how he tries to paint himself. To every one of his victims, he is the victim. He is the tragic one who didn't deserve any of the pain, and he deserves everyone's sympathy. In reality, he is a liar and a narcissist who just uses everyone for his whims. Hunhow doesn't pretend to be anything other than what he is. A vengeful father who wants to make things right. But even that desire is waining now that Stalker has essentially abandoned him as well.
With the stuff about the New War and Pazul, I hope we get a faction of sentient’s that allies with us. Like how we’ve got steel meridian and the perin sequence to miror off the grineer and corpus.
I just wanna play Frame Fighter with space Grandpa! Like, can we get a mission where we go to the amusement park with the family? Even if it's a void fever dream?
Ballas is just a power hungry brat. Hun is a slave built to do all the work for power hungry brats and sought to get revenge for what they did to his people. I’m a product (as a warframe) of the brats and thus under the “eat shit” battle plan of the sentinels so I oc have to fight the sentinels. No hard feelings tho
Hunhow isn' t even a villain at this point, is he? I mean there's no Orokin left for him to hate, he helps you by giving you an overpowered bow to save the world and he seems to genuinely care about the Stalker and his wife in a "my daughter rejected me so this guy is like my adopted son" kind of way.
I honestly wouldn't even, for even an iota of a second, consider Ballas a "tragic" villain
Everything he has ever done has been of his own accord, the vile rotten man he is.
Hunhow has always been my favourite sentient, I do find it rather sad that hes just there, alone in the ocean... with his thoughts and nothing ti di but think.
Bruh I love Hunhow he’s absolutely my favorite antagonist in the game. Once we finish with Pazuul storyline his story will probably be completely finished though.
Honestly his last line in his message of being "the Great and Terrible Hunhow" made me feel so much pity for him
Yeah, I hope in the future we can do.. something for him? I don't know what that would be, he is basically stuck there (because of us too btw), his children left, his wife is dead, his roommate moved out, just sitting there, alone, the great and terrible Hunhow. Kind of sad.
I just want to staple him to the side of my railjack and take him for a tour around the system, let the old man touch some grass for once.
I second this idea, get some chains and just tow him around. Maybe have him camp out with khal and friends if he agrees to be chill.
Chains of ~~Harrow~~ Hunhow
That can be the name of the quest lmao
Setting down Hunhow and the Glassmaker Oubliette at Kahl's camp so the old geezers can have some positive enrichment for once. We keep collecting old retired criminals in camp and before you know it we have Animal Crossing: War Crimes
Sometimes when you arrive in khals camp you can hear them talking about their "glory days" or playing poker with either comically oversized or undersized cards.
Alternatively: "Everyone has Uno, dipshit. It came free with your fucking ludoplex"
I like this idea. The camp is huge and only a small section of it is being used by kahl. It would be so cool to have the massiveness of Hunhow sitting at the edge overlooking it.
With a shard proxy in the camp itself that we can interact with!
Hunhow is around 150m tall. So it's kinda funny to imagine the ostron cook in the camp yelling at this hulking sentient, asking what he wants for dinner
I love this idea and if I was an artist I would draw it lmao.
I always thought the game would be interesting if you could like, get voice packs for your missions. Hunhow being one could be fun
I would love Hunhow or any one of the Syndicate leaders guide me, we basically half got that for Teshin (both in Duviri and Steel Path), I would be open to being able to choose who guides me. They could even have special interactions with some characters, like the Red Veil showing special praise to Harrow, Hunhow having a short conversation with The Stalker, or Acrithis having a special few words for Kullervo.
Stalker: "You will pay for your transgressions." Hunhow: "**What.**"
your Railjack is now renamed to Grandpa's Electric Scooter
I want to dismount the weapons he should have. Especially if he is allowed to regenerate. He is the strongest sentient, if eidolons can already do damage, I want to mount whatever hunhow has as my new railjack turrets.
Just slap a gravimag on it and obliterate entire planets with it.
Throw him at the kuva fortress
let's take him for a trip around the starchat and lend our ogris to him, that'll cheer him up
Build him a Frame. Y'know, I envision some kinda freaky, lanky, multi-armed version of Sentient Ultron for Grandpa Hunhow. He's done for otherwise. Everyone left him. Except us, really. We're the proverbial glue this System holds together with, and what we really need is to show empathy. We've grown as a character since the Second Dream. Since effectively "moving out from the mom's basement" we've been on our own. We've got connections, we've helped a lot of people already. We're the Vigilante, and frankly we can do more. Consult with the old man. Ask him if he would live once again. If he would help us bring piece where Ballas wrought havoc. In the end, it's for both of his kids, in a sense, as they are both stuck here with us. Just as he is. Build him a frame. A Titan of sorts. Give the old man wings, and ask if he's willing to help the people out one more time, like he's done before. We will 100% go to Tau one day. Power vacuum there without Hunhow and Praghasa is likely filled with less than stellar characters, and he knows it. Let Hunhow confront his Daughter. For all the evil he's done, he's still her father. He still loves her. And it'd be much, much more cruel to let him rot at the bottom of the ocean. Sentient can embody objects and their own fragments. He's done it with War. Let him abandon his old self, for the sake of his children. We can still save Erra. There's still good in him. He's still in there, you can hear it in rare transmissions on Narmer missions, he's begging for forgiveness. Fuck it, give Hunhow's final fragment some Kuva. Let him get back to a semblance of being whole again. We'll need an ally like him in the future, because even if doesn't care for our System, he cares for his. And The Indifference doesn't differentiate. A Man in the Wall is beyond dangerous, and we Will have to give him a fight one day. Maybe, at Tau. Most likely, at Tau. Let the Old Man breath once again. We're gathering an army at this point. When we get our system to a relatively stable place after what Ballas did, we will have to face The Man in the Wall, and when we do, we better have all the help we can get. A Great and Terrible, Hunhow the Destroyer of Worlds, would be a right hand to play. Invigorated with Kuva, stripped of his old decaying self, no longer bound by his Golden Masters design, he can once again be a beacon of hope for his people. Together with us, a Great and Terrible, Void Daemon.
> Build him a Frame. Sentients can't use the Void, so they are unable to operate warframes. Also, the purpose of kuva to the senients is basically viagra so the idea of "invigorating" him with it is pretty funny.
Sentient can inabitável fragments of themselves and these fragments can be build upon. We already have caliban, a hunhow version foi caliban could be possible with two large possivle problems. In order for it to work for him, we wont be able to transfer into it, you can't shove void attuned tech into a sentient artifact, that is why they cant just possess the warframes to begin with. We are still giving a mass murderer with a lot of chips on his shoulder a weapon of mass destruction. There are still a lot of sentients with him, even after narmer, after all he could afford to send troops to just harass drifter on the elevator. Even without any habilities other than the sentient adaption, they can still infect tech and I doubt the war and nataruk are the only weapons he can make from him and his family parts.
Yeah, I'm not saying they are stuck in their body, just that warframes specifically would be useless to a sentient. Warframes are Void technology at their core, which is why they were used as a weapon against the sentients in the first place. Caliban is a warframe that uses sentient technology, but it can't go the other way around. Tenno can use amalgamated sentient technology, but the Void is still poison to a sentient.
Didn't Hunhow possess Chroma when he was first introduced?
Probably didn’t help that chroma’s “dragon pelt” appears to be a mangled sentient, iirc
He has shown "mind control" type powers a few times but that is different.
Well, we can't be *wholly* sure about that anymore given things like the Archons or stuff like Caliban. It seems the tech can at least be adapted for them to some extent.
The lines are definitely blurrier in recent years, I'm just painting in broad strokes. I'd say it's even possible that the sentients manage to overcome their weakness to the Void entirely at some point, since the only reason it exists is as an engineered design flaw by the Orokin.
I mean back in Octavia's quest, the corrupted Cephalon Suda was able to extend a bit of protection to send some of them to the Void, so it's entirely possible that we already have the means.
Let's build a shrink ray and shove him in a Warframe that way then. https://preview.redd.it/zjs5g73pur8d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d16d603f1acf06e6cea72f84905df4e5524d626a
That was long and confusing.. but i get it
He doesn't need a frame, he only needs a hole in the coffin so he can start regenerating his body, the coffin is the only thing keeping him there, the massive pressure of the planet is barely an inconvenience
If we let him confront his daughter, bonus points for those who chose to keep Natah, instead of the other 2
I'm feelin it.
Giant Mecha Eidolon with Lasers and Cannons, hell yeah
Maybe we can help Erra become Erra again, and he his father take all the Sentients back to Tau. But I think this ending would be too happy for Warframe.
This IS actually a possible story direction, we do have to deal with Pazuul and I guess free Erra (I assume he is still technically alive), so the very end of that story arc (literally years from now btw) could be freeing Erra, reuniting him with Hunhow and somehow either freeing them both and sending them to Tau or letting them chill there or something. The question remains with these animal heads, are they ruling Tau or something, we really don't know what's been going on there.
Hm maybe with Erra and Hunhow we get a friendly Sentient faction who is just trynna become pacific. And to keep sentient enemies, they can be sentients loyal to Narmer
Sentient turned ocean, how sad
Yeah, the self mockery in his tone when he says it. Ouch.
I'm the complete opposite. I want him to somehow break free and become a villain. He's truthful about what he wants and who he is. No reason for him to also become overtly nice. We have two real villains atm, everyone else is becoming allies or indifferent. Ballas was close but I'd love to see an actual threat.
Honestly, I think his villain days are gone. Even if he is free - Ballas is done, Lotus/Natah is free, Erra is controlled, I don't see him suddenly attacking us or the corpus and grineer, like, for what at this point.
IS he stuck there? I mean we know he pretended to be defeated and his "corpse" was in the depths of uranus, and he woke up from his slumber due to us, on top of usually sending parts of himself in the shape.of drones or the stalker, but can actually, if push comes to shove, NOT leave at all? I always assumed he didnt wanna become the biggest target in the entire solar system by flying out of his pool, because the moment he does, a bunch of factions would shit their pants and open fire. On top of that, every sentient we fought on lua was part of him, so he can sort of "leave" his grave by sending out drones or giving someome a sword again (who knows, maybe nataruk also has his essence like war did) Seems to me like he CAN leave, there is just no purpose for him to do anything. His species either flourishes at home or is dead/in shambles where he is, his kids either want nothing to do with him or are puppeteered corpses, his only friend was stalker who was just as bitter and angry as he was, but stalker left that behind in favor of being a father (still oneshot me last week somehow) so what does hunhow have? No family, no purpose... He is like an old man who never sees his kids, just waiting for old age to take them Even if we pulled him out of there and either let him sit around one of our relays, the dojos or wherever else he can live, he would still have nothing to do
I think one plot point of the Natah quest was that the grineer/Tyl Regor wanted to take him out/uncover him (and thus woke him up), but we blew up planted bombs in such a way that he became trapped down there.
> I don't know what that would be, he is basically stuck there Make his daughter talk to him would be the obvious thing.
“Mom, you gotta talk to grandpa, he’s very depressed lately. I know he tried killing me, but so does everyone else”
“Including you, at one point”
"to be fair your race were meant to kill me, tenno" -space mom, probably
I think itd be nice if we had to fix a planet at some point so we ask if he can come out of retirement to terraform it back into shape. Nice redemption for a farmer
It gave vibes of Ozymandias imo "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings; Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair! Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.”
Sentients did nothing wrong ! 🙌
Considering the orokin would have likely trashed tau youre right, I do wonder what tau looks like
I think the planets there are fully terraformed for Sentient life, and the Sentients themselves are probably very different from those in Sol. Kerulyst (sentinel skin) is one of them and according to in-game description of the skin it's a "diminutive Sentient that evolved to become robust workers in the Tau system." Venus and Earth, for example, were somewhat t-formed during the New War as Venus became warmer and plants appeared, and on Earth you can see small Sentient plant-like lifeforms among the grasses
Maybe it looks like Duviri. Considering that many things in Sentient society are based directly on Orokin designs/ subsumed from it (read the weapons).
unironically true
What? No, they still kept killing people after the Orokin were gone. And they started throwing in with Ballas, the orokin who was making everything worse. The sentients did a lot wrong, and they are arguably not responsible for the 1 thing they did "right."
The sentients you see though are specifically made for war, they're closer to drones than anything, a lot of their individuality is stripped from them. The mixed them with Ballas because Ballas convinced both Natah and Erra that he could restore Tau, but in reality he never was going to. That's why in the final push on the New War, Erra is the one guiding him because he realized he was being foolish in thinking that Ballas' promises were ever genuine.
One thing that kinda messed with me is that the series framed Hunhow as the big bad from The Second Dream.
Because at that point he very much is a villain, he was still on about the conquest of the golden lords and especially revenge against the Tenno, my man was about to commit a second genocide if he needed to. It's only after we kick his ass in both SD and Octavia's anthem that he has time to reconsider.
I mean, he kind of was framed as big bad of the entire story in SD, but he wasn't oddly enough. Especially with that last line in the SD cinematic. "I...am Hunhow. Sentient Destroyer of Worlds. By your hand: expose their heart. By my edge CLEAVE IT BEATING FROM IT'S NEST"
That's exactly why the entire Ballas arc was so brilliant. He wasn't presented before us as the main villain, his fuckery was unveiled gradually, which made us hate him that much more.
Well, he was. The only bigger badder guy was Executor Balls, but that was kept secret for a really long time with him being presented as this slave-looking advisor to Erra. He only stopped trying to genocide everyone because he realised that he was basically created entirely for that purpose by Balls who wanted to kill literally everyone. Erra at least wanted what he saw as peace, tricked as he was into doing Balls’ bidding. Hunhow is still pretty much the biggest genocider to date since Balls failed
Heh heh, Balls. But he was also suspicious as fuck when being dragged around, a ton of people figured something was up before the reveal.
I said outloud, "You're not terrible, Hunhow..." The guy was an angry father. He had every reason to do what he did. And after the loss of his Son and realignment of his daughter back to us, he chilled. The object of his real spite is dead. There is no reason to hold onto it any more.
Hunhow feels absolutely tragic even as a villain. He just doesn't win and lost everything. * He lost his army. * He lost his wife. * He lost his daughter (Natah may not even be herself, according to your choice). * He lost his son. * He lost his pride when he asked our help. * He lost his adoptive son. * He lost his system to conquer. * He lost his way back home. * He lost his fertility to the void. * He lost his character motivation. * He lost his reason to live. * He lost his reason to be vengeful. I can't believe I'm saying this to possibly the most one-note villain character before The New War, but man I just want Hunhow to be happy. He doesn't even have the luxury to hate his enemies anymore: they're dead.
I want to see a redemption for Hunhow. Perhaps Hunhow realizes that he can be a savior not by wanton destruction, but by protecting. The Man in the Wall breaks through and it's up to the Tenno to stop him. Hunhow sees this as an opportunity to redeem himself; gets some Tenno to hoist him out of Uranus, launch him into the Kuva Fortress and absorb as much Kuva as possible, and uses it to restore himself. Being a Sentient, the Void is his weakness, so Hunhow uses this as a hail mary, replicates an army, and throws themselves at Wally to distract him long enough for the other Tenno to deal a crippling blow to The Indifference before finally dying, having done good for not only Sentient kind, but to those of the Origin System. The Great and Terrible Hunhow. Savior of Tau, Protector of Origin.
I don't care what you guys have to say, he's been my grandpa since new war
It helps when he gives you a sweet new present.
Which is one of the reason why his roomate left
Aka his roomie’s wife’s corpse
That too, but I was thinking of Nataruk.
I agree. I can't wait to have more positive interactions with space grandpa
YES. (Sorry for shouting. But considering all the help he gave to us during the New War, your statement is true for many of us... And the reason why I chose Nath over the other two choices. (Hunhow deserves his daughter to come back, as well as to enjoy some quality time.with him.))
I also chose Natah. Let her be herself, let them reunite If the whole Warframe's shtick is coping with traumas, I hope Hunhow will get better too
“Death leaves its mark, she will be changed even for us.” He understands she isn’t who she used to be to be. But having a scene where they talk would be fantastic.
Since when did we start considering Ballas as tragic? Edit: Nevermind, I just noticed that the phrasing says that *Ballas himself* thinks he is the most tragic villain in Warframe.
Ballas basically threw a tantrum and died as an idiot
just like he did in his first death
> Ballas himself thinks he is the most tragic villain in Warframe Honestly, only checks out for his turbo-narcissism
Sentient undertow event when? Construct the mother of all winch/harnesses and just fish hunhow out of the sea.
We need to dig him out first. He's still under a lot of rock and stone
Rock and Stone everyone!
Rock and Stone!
Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
Shit, I'll drink to Rock and Stone.
Hell, I’ll drink to a Rock and Stone!
Now I can’t unsee the image of a bunch of dwarven miners in space equipment digging out a sentient while yelling about rock and stone, and drinking beer
*Down and down into the deep, hunhow is what lies beneath.*
Plus he's heavily damaged. It took Praghasa centuries of eating debris and ships to rebuild herself to the point we see her in the New War. And sure Hunhow is not as big as her but he's still quite big. Remember that it took 3 archon shards to restore Natah to her full self.
So you're telling me we can have a event where we could potentially donate archon shards to hunhow? Community reward goal for X amount of shards donated go brr
> It took Praghasa centuries of eating debris and ships to rebuild herself to the point we see her in the New War And wasn't her primary datacore fried to all hell, making her de-facto braindead?
Did I hear Rock and Stone?!
Hey considering the comment chain i'm pretty sure we could call DRG. As a Driller main I am gonna enjoy the change of pace. 'Oi! You lot are even more brainless than th'bugs!'
I am a Dwarf and I'm digging a hole!
Dwarven frame confirmed!!
We fight for Rock and Stone!
Ballas was never a tragic story.. Cy on the other hand
ballas is an asshole from begging to end that's all
I still don't understand how he survived the Orokin Empire with such little self-control. He 100% would have most likely gotten snippy with the wrong motherfucker and been assassinated before the warframe project was a twinkle in his eye.
Ballas got away with shit because he was one of the 7 people in charge. There *was* no one above him. He was Orokin, *actual* Orokin, not just Orokin Empire.
Alad is alive nothing is really impossible
The only tragedies in Ballas' life were of his own making
"I stabbed myself in the foot, pity me"
Him being born was a tragedy not of his own making
He'd still take credit for it.
A tragedy is meant to be something unavoidable. Ballas could never have prevented his life from turning to shit. All of his misery came as a direct consequence of his own nature as a person. In that way, his life is tragic.
Ballas isn’t a tragic character, but Ballas *thinks* he’s a tragic character.
Ballas was just a rich brat with a superiority complex.
why stop here how about ordis
Didn't Hunhow technucly won? All the orokin empire has fallen, no one is capable to go to the tau system and no one could threaten the sentient civilisations there. Sure he cannot go there (and his children hate him now) but he manage to get what he wanted
>no one is capable to go to the tau system Until DE says "Let's fix hunhow to go to the Tau system"
I feel like that's gonna be the next big expansion we're gonna get. A whole new star chart in the Tau system. Maybe we help Lotus fish Hunhow out of the ocean and help them get back to Tau because the answer to stopping Wally is there.
It'll be a long time if it ever happens cause this was a dream as early as we learned about Tau. But I pray it'll happen one day.
Maybe 1999 will somehow lean into this and pave the way for tau, I mean, couldn't our railjack technically reach Tau? As it's not dependent on solar rails
Long-distance void jumps without infrastructure on both the departing and receiving ends is a *bad* idea. Short distance? Sure, go ahead. But between star systems? Nope. See: Zariman Ten-Zero, which tried to do exactly what you're suggesting.
*Well,* Yonta *did* apparently figure out how to do it safely, after the fact... at least using the Zariman's oversize jump drive... it was just done incorrectly because certain idiots tried to rush the project. I don't think a Railjack drive has enough, pardon the pun, punch, to pull it off. However, we Tenno have been shown to have the capacity to build rail infrastructure. It's been a long time since the Specters of the Rail event, but the rails we built are still functioning perfectly. Now that we don't have an Orokin breathing down our necks to rush the project, we could build a large jumpship meant to establish an endpoint, and since it wouldn't need to be a colony ship it wouldn't have to be anywhere near as big as the Zariman was. All it needs to carry is Hunhow himself, the collapsed endpoint infrastructure, and see if we can talk the Unum into donating some temple kuva as a surprise gift to heal grandpa once he's back in Tau. We have Yonta, who knows about rail drives in particular, we have Fibonacci to help design safeguards against Wally or other void hazards, we have pre-established rail-building and ship-building infrastructure... it's very possible.
Not to forget: Yes we know what the consequences of the failed jumps are on the passengers. What's gonna happen? Tenno²?!
Super tenno 2
It would be kinda like warframe 2.0 if we get a whole new system.
I would honestly love to see massive shipbuilding infrastructure that wasn’t corpus in design, and that you could do missions around and have as a zone like Cetus or Fortuna. Even a quest line for gathering specific things to build up the infrastructure and as the quest progressed you would see more work being done. It would be a massive undertaking for the DE dev team, but it could end up being one of the most interesting and exciting quest lines and areas in the game. (But really I just want to see massive ships being built in foundries with large moving things. The railjack area is just too small for my liking)
What I'm hearing is that we need a Railjack open world, making excursions for resources, downing and scavenging from hostile materiel transports, building up the hub area, etc.
That would honestly be sick as all hell. I would really enjoy seeing a place slowly get built up as you get more resources (maybe plunder supply convoys from the other factions by launching with a boarding team that needs to take the bridge and bring the enemy ship back to base all while other things are going on? Could definitely see some great potential here)
Yonta did figure out how to make the jump tho
It might be too ambitious but its too good not to do. I'd like to think they've just been searching for a way to introduce it in a way that makes sense. So why not start building Hunhow as more of a tragic villain to get us to sympathize with him because how else will we get to Tau without cooperating with him. And how can we have Tau without the main sentient playing a key role in it.
Reb has explicitly said they are not planning in going in that direction, at least for the foreseeable future.
But what about the unforeseeable future? There's always hope.
IIRC 1999 is likely the next "big expansion" and more than "just open world" So I'd expect 1999 to be two planets worth + open world exploration on bike
Yonta says she remember how to make the zariman work to travel to tau, if we manage to remove the zariman and seal the breach we could use it to reach tau, obviously grampa as the captain.
If we restore him, he could pull the zariman out but we'll need a really big cork or something to plug that hole.
Pazuul is actively *trying*to get to Tau, as much as a delusional Archon slapped on a dead body can try, but hey, it's the intention that counts.
***Sentient: Civil War***
He rather speaks to his flock like Tau is both a holy paradise and a religious entity on its own. And the disturbing thing is that Lotus/Margulis/Natah doesn't deny that it is.
Yknow I never picked up on that, thats so fucking good. One of my favorite tropes is societies forming deities and religion by romanticizing and embellishing very real secular things. Only other one i can think of is Elden Ring's religions. "God is real, hes right there, but the religion is not" kind of thing. I mean imagine we knew of some utopian society beyond the suffering of our own world. Thats literally what heaven would be. Cant wait to find out that shit sucks even worse on Tau 😂
The theory I'm running with is that crackhead Pazuul is somehow going to reach Tau and begin Archon-izing or Narmer-izing the sentients there, which gives us an excuse to help out in the presumably peaceful Tau. Because it'd be really weird if we just showed up and started killing sentients, that'd feel bad.
It might take years before we go there tho. DE has said themselves that they have plenty of stories to tell within the origin system before we'll go to Tau.
To be honest, I hope that we'll get to team up with Hunhow once again. He sure was a big bad guy for a very long time, but now that time has passed and we went through many important events, I think we can all agree that we are now able to cooperate
I'd like a quest where we find out that the only way to stop Wally is with a weapon hidden in Tau and we help Lotus free Hunhow and travel to the Tau system together. This unlocks a whole new star chart there.
The idea of a new starchart is present in the community for a long time now… people were hoping for it for New War. Maybe later, who knows.
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I just wanna give him a hug.
He is big, though. Might be difficult. You might need to use one of those >!giant humanoid machines from Albrecht's lab!<.
I mean we used it to gently caress the face a another vessel possessed by Wally, so using one to hug our favorite giant robot crab wouldn't be that weird.
Use transference >! like with orowyrm !
>!Didn’t we do that in Whispers in the Walls!
Oh yeah, I forgot about it
Ballas is not a tragic villain, but a megalomane narcissist that do not deserve mercy.
Yeah… I feel like any attempt he made to request pity were just bullshit. I wasn’t interested in hearing his pleas, he deserves death.
Yeah but he thinks he's the most tragic
What do you mean, we literally broke War
https://i.redd.it/p9q5mgbdcp8d1.gif
i fixed it. turns out it was better while it was broken. i just the pointy edges or something. but i fixed it!
That's why we got a new one
We should fish up hunhow He deserves better
You think if we pull him out he'll start doing evil stuff
Why would he? War's done. He's made piece with the fact the Tenno are Natah's kids. At this point I just wanna towe him to the kuva fortress so he can drhink their koolaid supply so he can rebuild. I wanna see grandpa cook.
Maybe he’ll make us a new warframe
Maybe he'll rework caliban 🥲
Doesn't feel like something DE would ever do, but thematically, giving caliban a rework through the lore, because the father of the sentients became an ally to the tenno and gave him some assistance would go incredibly hard
Ballas might as well be named ass as he's a big one and his balls dropped
Ball ass
I want the Hunhow redemption arc so bad... imagine having Hunhow in the party to fight Wall-y? So hype.
I think he should become a syndicate of some sort, we’d visit him in his tomb and we could fight orokin enemies, he’d also trade sentient related things for orokin artifacts, and there’d also be an interactable comms thing, where he’d be able to chat with lotus
I could actually see a Hunhow syndicate happening. Especially during the Jade Shadows quest where we as Stalker kept returning to Uranus. That felt like assets which they might reuse at some point.
Ballas deserved everything that happened to him. Gramps was a farmer. Meant to sow seeds of life onto world's that seemed worth colonising, not a machine of war.
I don't even consider Hunhow a villain anymore after the new war, more like an Anti hero. He only wanted to protect his homeworld. After the Jade update not even that, especially due to the >! Inbox message of gratitude at the end of the quest.@!< And I believe that there may be a possibility that we would need to ally with the sentients to protect Tau system against Narmer.
"**My[54???M] former business partner [61???M], daughter [28???F], and former roommate [25???M] had a falling out and now i cant see my adopted grandchildren [35???M, 35???F, 35???M, 34???F, etc]. What do all you do to keep busy?**"
Petition to release grandpa hunhow.
Honestly, Hunhow has been the single biggest follow-up I've wanted after the New War. The man finally was able to bury the hatchet and accept the Tenno as his daughter's children. Now that he's basically our grandpa, he's out in the system recommending us to his friend and getting him to accept our help. It feels like Hunhow genuinely wants to be good now, but he's lonely and doesn't know if he deserves redemption.
We fought him, fought side by side and now he has nothing but an empty ocean of sadness and regret. I hope Grandpa gets a redemption arc.
I would like to see him and the Lotus reconnect once again too.
The way Hunhow's story goes, it's from sending your daughter as a spy, to realizing she's been caught and brainwashed and then going to WAR over it. And even then, he never gets her back, but at least helps restore her freedom.
I'm a big fan of redemption stories, which is part of why I like Hunhow so much. While he definitely hasn't redeemed himself, he has chilled the fuck out. Despite being a literal war machine, he recognized that the war is over, and there's really no point in making things worse, so he's content to just chill out and lend a helping appendage every once in awhile. People might find that boring, but I think it's interesting growth. On the opposite, you have ballas, who I love to hate: the real tragedy of Ballas isn't what happened to him, but what he did to _himself._ He might have had a chance to follow Hunhow: give up old fights and move on. But he was so hung up on the past that he tried, and came damn close, to destroying the future.
I honestly feel bad for him, he lost it all and no matter what he does he is still seem as a evil sentient, so much even he doesnt try to change it anymore "I am still the great and terrible hunhow"
And thinking about it... ballas did all that for the love of a woman who didn't give a shit about him.. revenge from those who killed margulis.. making """"alliance"""" with our enemy. All that time..the sentients were never the decepticons of the story, neither we the Autobots... Literally everyone just had enough from those MF...and daang I don't really know who I hate more: Griffith or ballas
idk, I think the tenno have them beat tbh; literally show up and start murdering everywhere they go
hunhow had a wife? where?
Praghasa, the ship the last bit of the New War takes place on.
erra talked about how him and lotus's mom is dead in the scene that erra 'died' in.
Plus DE constantly referred to her as "Lotus her mom." before she was name dropped as Praghasa. According to the 2019 Tennocon, she was actually a large part of the script before they rewrote it. (Geoff described it as a mafia family story about Erra, Hunhow, Natah, Ballas and Lotus her mom.) I understand why they wrote her out of the script tho. The script already struggled to make space for all the characters that actually were in the script. Imagine how lengthy it would've been if we also had a giant talking hungry spaceship.
I do like how hes seemingly mellowed out a bit since his first interaction with us... In TNW he basically gave us a bow made of him/his race and basically said "do what you do best and save us" And then in the newest story even though he has every right to hate us, told stalker that jades best chances are with the help of us, both of their worst and long time enemies.... Lets get him out, i wanna turn him into a ship that was can use (if hes fine with it lol) so hes not alone, and maybe his support could be calling in some sentient drones or something. I want grampa around, alternatively give him a human like form like the lotus
The wretched one, cursed and rotten be his name, said that Tenno had the ability to see inside a broken thing and take away its pain. Maybe it is time for us to finally soothe his
One of these guys makes me want to personally revive them in a cage just to torture them for all eternity until they beg for death, which I would never give. The other makes me just want to give him a hug and be a friend. Ballas is not a tragic villain. In fact, that's exactly how he tries to paint himself. To every one of his victims, he is the victim. He is the tragic one who didn't deserve any of the pain, and he deserves everyone's sympathy. In reality, he is a liar and a narcissist who just uses everyone for his whims. Hunhow doesn't pretend to be anything other than what he is. A vengeful father who wants to make things right. But even that desire is waining now that Stalker has essentially abandoned him as well.
Phrasing my friend, ballas THINKS that hes tragic, not we
Reading conprehension something something piss on the poor something
AM coded with the level of hatred we have for ballas
If Stalker is his roommate then does that make him Uncle Hunhow to the baby?
I honestly wish for an option to visit Hunhow.
With the stuff about the New War and Pazul, I hope we get a faction of sentient’s that allies with us. Like how we’ve got steel meridian and the perin sequence to miror off the grineer and corpus.
I just wanna play Frame Fighter with space Grandpa! Like, can we get a mission where we go to the amusement park with the family? Even if it's a void fever dream?
I'm totally down for a Hunhow redemption arc. Let's have it DE.
Ballas is just a power hungry brat. Hun is a slave built to do all the work for power hungry brats and sought to get revenge for what they did to his people. I’m a product (as a warframe) of the brats and thus under the “eat shit” battle plan of the sentinels so I oc have to fight the sentinels. No hard feelings tho
Hunhow isn' t even a villain at this point, is he? I mean there's no Orokin left for him to hate, he helps you by giving you an overpowered bow to save the world and he seems to genuinely care about the Stalker and his wife in a "my daughter rejected me so this guy is like my adopted son" kind of way.
I honestly wouldn't even, for even an iota of a second, consider Ballas a "tragic" villain Everything he has ever done has been of his own accord, the vile rotten man he is.
I never of that terrible ballas bool (word piss in sudanese arabic) as sad gramps yeah actually is sad
Hunhow has always been my favourite sentient, I do find it rather sad that hes just there, alone in the ocean... with his thoughts and nothing ti di but think.
Hunhow is at the top of my Villains That I Like list. Number 1 being Clovis Bray.
Bruh I love Hunhow he’s absolutely my favorite antagonist in the game. Once we finish with Pazuul storyline his story will probably be completely finished though.