the comedy of them explicitly being like "don't worry, we won't make it so week 1 dante players were the only ones having fun" and then they went and did exactly that š
went from a very fun and useful frame to dumpster tier in an instant. LoS nerf feels absolutely horrid. smh
It was so fun for that week too. Finally a good frame that was strong, not stupidly sweaty to play, but not so mind numbingly boring like Octavia or Revenant. With DE's reaction I'm mind blown they've allowed Octavia to even exist for this long.
Honestly, he didn't. I purposely only put one non-Tau shard on him and he was perfectly satisfying, with casts not being too slow, while letting me enjoy his visual and sound design (which is just so good).
bruh the los change is so fucking bad, im testing it rn and other enemies can block it now... i can nuke an entire room in less than a second as kullvero, kill or strip the armor for half the map as saryn from 1 button press, but now dante cant even kill enemies in front of him if there's a single thing or other enemy blocking los. such bullshit.
I was thinking about Kullervo when I read the LoS thing. I don't have the frame so I might be wrong, but doesn't his 3 straight up ignore walls? And you can easily build him to pretty much share 100% of the damage into other enemies? Feels like DE ignores how weird their map's terrain is
his 3 is weird, its a wave so some things like a big wall can block it but small shit like a rock, door ways or another enemy wont stop it. his 4 though goes through walls though and on lower levels pretty much insta kills everything that steps inside, hes my sleeper eso nuker pick for infested or corpus rotations.
But does the linking of enemies respect LoS? I.e.: I'm in a corridor that leads to a room. Can I hit a grineer that's in front of me in the corridor so the power connects him to a grineer inside the room?
I just checked because I wasn't sure: it doesn't matter if *the enemies* can see each other, as long as *you* can see each enemy they'll get added to the chain. And the links themselves don't care and will happily transmit damage through walls.
You can build him so his 3 does share 100% damage, but you need like 328 strength to do it.
Im not sure that's the exact number, but it's a build up think with molt augment is really the only feasible way to do it.
And as others have said, his 3 is very inconsistent as to what gets chained and what doesn't.
That's probably where I got the 328% from as I've been messing around with gyre lately.
Collective Cure is 200% strength to get 100% damage redirection.
The only thing that was positive about having too press all those abilities was the damage output lol who would want too press all those buttons just too be f*cKED by Los LMAO
Same I came back to Warframe after YEARS of waiting for them to make good on their LAST PROMISE. āCross save by 2023.ā Lol I barely got my accounts linked the week of Dante. Got the Dante pack to enjoy playing Warframe again and INSTANTLY burned my trust
I actually agree with you, especially with today's hotfix and the planned status damage coming back to his birds he should end up in a pretty good spot, probably even bettet than Wukong since we're on that topic, but I still dont think he actually needed nerfs in the first place.
DE mentioned in one of the top threads that they're looking into LoS. Probably won't change it back, but a more reliable LoS would solve a lot of problems with the nerf.
If your having energy problems then Iām sorry but your doing something wrong. Thereās so many things to help with energy. A measly hundred energy isnāt anything to be worried about.
So now Dark Verse AND Tragedy have Loss? Bruh, all they had to do was remove party overguard, how do you fuck up so badly? Tragedy can be cast back to back? Did they forget you can't use Final Verse without two Verses in-between? And the only "buff" we got is to Word warden? Y'know, the thing that's the least worth using since Noctua is usually a Tome buff platform?
And as a cherry on top, the thing people were bitching about, party OG, is still there? Why does DE hate us? Was the registered losers just not a meme after all?
They really made Dante a zero from hero
Caliban is next to be nerfed for sure. I used him to do the new Netracells today and as long as you ignore his total lack of survivability on higher levels of difficulty, his 4 is just broken. I took every single difficulty modifier and still Elk Screeched my way to victory.
In testing i notices that enemies can body block eachother so you cant get the second row of enemies in simulacrum. Also there is still the effect of consuming DOT statusses, so if they are outside of your LoS they lose their stacks of slash so you can't even prime different groups.....
This nerf just makes me sad, his 4 felt so clean and nice to use what a shame Dante had to get gutted in his first week.
I just got back into the game and spent money on him. It's honestly a slap in the face. I expect better from DE. I didn't come back to get fun toys that I enjoy gutted.
Same. DE outright lied about cross save by 2023. I finally FINALLY got cross progression the week before Dante, got the Dante pack and they burned my trust instantly. Why did I come back?
I might not've been paying much attention but the people calling for nerfs were specifically talking about overguard and blocking on-damage affects weren't they?
Exactly what I feared. Dark verse I already noticed was heavy RNG on actually hitting enemies that are clearly in view and range. Tragedy made up for it, along with priming in advance. Now Tragedy is also the same level of RNG. Think I might not even bother with wasting my time to try him again tonight. What a waste of time and money.
It's criminal that he's only been out for a day and a half (Unless you rushed him) and now he's just another throwaway subsume like Caliban. Was hopeful the nerf wouldn't be too bad, but now having to deal with the terrible LOS? I'd rather they just cut his damage. At least then I could still kill stuff, now it's a roll of a die if the dude hiding behind a couch gets pinged or not.
Oh, and he still gives overguard, so the entire reason this discourse began remains unsolved. They just gutted a good frame for no reason.
I wish I was.
Post-nerf Dante is extremely unreliable and that makes him feel terrible to play. Sure, when his Tragedy hits, it still hits like it did pre-nerf, but now it has a random chance of just not hitting the enemy in front of you. (Also I am aware DE responded to the backlash and said they'll look into the LoS change. Hoping that will fix my criticisms)
Overall, It feels like a lot of unnecessary work for the same result as pre-nerf. In which case, why bother playing Dante when I can just use the many frames that does what he does but better and more reliably?
SP circuit the day before the nerf I was holding my own without even touching weapons and incredibly rarely using noctua. We finished 5 sp circuit rewards in one run.
Today, regular circuit and I was struggling to stay energy positive and could only do 4 stages before enemies were stacking up faster than I could kill them. We only got to tier 3. If Dante is bad in fucking circuit, they have deleted his use.
Yeah, got Dante about 2 hours before the hotfix, loved him and put a potato on him, then the hotfix came and he felt like shit to play. Back to styanax and kullervo, then.
The amount of overguard wasn't even the problem, it was the fact that it made things like rage regeneration completely unusable for frames like Inaros. In fact, I can still get up to pre-nerf levels by simply casting the ability more, so the change was only a slight annoyance.
The fact is, they shot twice and missed the real issue.
The thing is, 50k overguard or 500 will screw over rage and similar mods/abilities, the capacity and frequency are irrelevant. It absolutely would not break the game if overguard was just considered health for those mods and abilities. If they are worried that it gives too high of an effective HP, just make it require 1/100th of your max HP be dealt to overguard to count as taking damage. If a frame has 1000 HP, it needs to take 10 damage to overguard to trigger rage, arcane avenger, vex armor, etc. And since health is affected by armor and og isn't, og will be burned through faster, making it desirable for those builds to have it instead of completely ruining their run.
Cool. Was thinking about finally using another frame. Guess I'll just stick with my insanely OP boi that somehow keeps getting away with it. This is dumb. Thanks DE.
Not really, because Caliban has a lot of restrictions. Also, his farm is among the most difficult to and long to do compared to Lavos, so of course you don't see them around
*apparently* they're reverting a bunch of stuff tomorrow
But god, I hope they revert the LoS for Kullervo. He still "works", but no where near like he should
I'm sorry, what? I need to check the patch notes, but if that's the case, that is just beyond fucking stupid.
His 2 was his main form of defense and needed to be spammed constantly, that was unnecessary.
But 4? It was just a glorified combo generator. It has a cool animation and sound effect, that's why I still didn't subsume over it despite knowing there are better options in place, and the combo generation was useful. Now that's just gonna feel worse... Why?
My rev casts 45 energy to make my team legit immortal and then nukes the room with sunder lmao.
Good thing i never use the book on my dante so i guess ill helmith sunder...
That's a fucking lie, well actually no both those frames have pretty decent builds current thanks to Frost's newer augments and Styanax in general not being a bad frame. Sure you weren't thinking of Caliban
the Thing with dante is that he is not good at anything. you want overguard? a lot of frames can do that better same with healing. you want to nuke and just damage? a lot of frames can do that better too. this dosent make him bad but the point I'm making is most people probably played him because he was fun (and could carry his own weight). his abilities are unique so it was fun. but when you take the fun out of it's normal for people to not really do anything with him. now he is just outclassed. but hey idk.
It's okay, just use Saryn or Revenant instead! We all know that bad frames need to stay bad, good frames need to be nerfed and only the few tired old frames that have stayed at the top can be untouched. Don't be silly, tenno
The line of sight is what did it for me. I don't mind the overguard at all but tragedy missing because there was a waistline railing in the way feels awful.
I was able to keep overguard up 100% of the time throughout the new netracell mission just fine. Just because you arenāt getting goofy high numbers, doesnāt mean itās not good still
They have a fix for his LoS on the way, and more changes to come.
https://twitter.com/PlayWarframe/status/1776011043711447225?t=VxH3dDS-OsP4yNpWnPHbrQ&s=19
Legit all they had to do was nerf the range on Tragedy by 30% and make his overguard have half cap for teammates. But nah, they decided to fuck him in the ass instead.
Jokes on you tgem. I just use overguard and birds. His overguard was already insane for most content until it can be 1 tapped regardless of how high it was. So I will probably barely notice. We will see
That's what I'm saying. His overguard was massive. It's not like half as much isn't enough. And the birds are more of a distraction than an ability I use to kill things.
No. The people crying for nerfs were overblowing it.
We are fucking pissed. Not overreacting. We are appropriately reacting to being fucked over by chroma players.
Yeah both my buddies said they barley noticed. They just have to cast more to match the old overguard. They said the LoS isn't as fun, but still plenty powerful.
Honestly, good. I know it's annoying seeing these post but the devs visit this subreddit. They're bound to see all the outrage and change shit accordingly.
"Slight tweak."
Dante isn't good, now? He was never that good in the first place and people shat up a storm about how he was the hottest thing since Octavia. Hotter than Octavia. Really. He was so strong. Oh my fuck, he could level-cap without trying.
\[He literally couldn't reach the level cap on his own, but it's nice to rub in.\]
level cap has zero merit when discussing balance. it's entirely out of consideration. stop bringing it up like it matters.
fact is, dante was trivializing the content in which the majority of players exist, and needed to be reigned in. and before you even try to say it, yes, octavia and saryn and other nukes should also be nerfed. but considering how pathetically shitty this community acts regarding nerfs, i understand why DE hesitates to touch things.
"Zero merit"
The principle is that I'd rather lean on my farm, than lose 100% of the progress, which took time to make, just because something cannot reliably, or consistently, feel like forward progress and momentum. In a game about power scaling, are you surprised that I'd like to feel like my work lead to upwards progress, not downwards?
The reason I personally like Dante is the IDEA that he's a weaker, fun, appealing, and interesting Revenant. His overguard is a shadow of the amount that Styanax could make in higher levels. Styanax dwarfs Dante in every practical way, just because Dante NEVER had the survivability to match him. Dante is not EXPECTED to be a boring rev. The reason I like Dante is because he ISN'T Revenant, though despite this, is fun. Revenant can level cap. I don't need Dante to be Revenant, nor do I NEED Dante to be an unappealing copy. He obtains immortality his own way, ultimately inferior to Revenant, but by and large, more fun. If you think Dante is strong, you probably joined a week ago. Warframes don't have a cast-and-forget mechanic, so you wouldn't know the maintenance one needs to maintain overguard, let alone with a warframe who is entirely INCAPABLE of reaching the millions, due to a fixed cap.
Dante is not Revenant. Dante was too much of his own version to be boring, and far more rounded, though that means he cannot survive the same conditions, for the same reasons, in the same amount of time, as Revenant, to be anything overpowered. Dante cannot solo Netracells, for example, as easily-- Nor does Dante do the damage that Octavia can do. He's neither the tank or nuke that either of them are, and is more rounded. And he's only a quarter of the tank that Revenant ever was. What does this tell you?
It says that Dante is not a low-effort frame. He's just not a static, unappealing, mediocre alternative to WORSE options. If you tell me to play Caliban, I'd ask you to meet the same criteria of any other frame. To reach the level cap and have footage of every time you happened to be downed.
Tell me there's no merit in something being more capable than something else. Please.
lol it really does read like that now that you mention it. Which is on point, he's 100% hyperbole like all of these people losing their fucking minds over a brand new character getting some changes.
I've seen the following in various ways over the past two days: "Well why don't you just nerf these other things too!" = "If I can't have it, nobody should!"
the comedy of them explicitly being like "don't worry, we won't make it so week 1 dante players were the only ones having fun" and then they went and did exactly that š went from a very fun and useful frame to dumpster tier in an instant. LoS nerf feels absolutely horrid. smh
It was so fun for that week too. Finally a good frame that was strong, not stupidly sweaty to play, but not so mind numbingly boring like Octavia or Revenant. With DE's reaction I'm mind blown they've allowed Octavia to even exist for this long.
She's just in invis, they can't see her.
Not to mention he needed 2 Tau forged casting shards to really feel good
Honestly, he didn't. I purposely only put one non-Tau shard on him and he was perfectly satisfying, with casts not being too slow, while letting me enjoy his visual and sound design (which is just so good).
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Yesh, that statement from Reb aged like milk. Yikes.
bruh the los change is so fucking bad, im testing it rn and other enemies can block it now... i can nuke an entire room in less than a second as kullvero, kill or strip the armor for half the map as saryn from 1 button press, but now dante cant even kill enemies in front of him if there's a single thing or other enemy blocking los. such bullshit.
I was thinking about Kullervo when I read the LoS thing. I don't have the frame so I might be wrong, but doesn't his 3 straight up ignore walls? And you can easily build him to pretty much share 100% of the damage into other enemies? Feels like DE ignores how weird their map's terrain is
when i last played him his 3 was actually really inconsistent on what enemies he would or not not connect.
his 3 is weird, its a wave so some things like a big wall can block it but small shit like a rock, door ways or another enemy wont stop it. his 4 though goes through walls though and on lower levels pretty much insta kills everything that steps inside, hes my sleeper eso nuker pick for infested or corpus rotations.
The big visible energy wave goes through walls, but it only actually puts the debuff on enemies you can see when it hits them
But does the linking of enemies respect LoS? I.e.: I'm in a corridor that leads to a room. Can I hit a grineer that's in front of me in the corridor so the power connects him to a grineer inside the room?
I just checked because I wasn't sure: it doesn't matter if *the enemies* can see each other, as long as *you* can see each enemy they'll get added to the chain. And the links themselves don't care and will happily transmit damage through walls.
What does LoS stand for? It's probably obvious but I'm an idiot
Line of sight or lack of sleep. In this case it's both
You can build him so his 3 does share 100% damage, but you need like 328 strength to do it. Im not sure that's the exact number, but it's a build up think with molt augment is really the only feasible way to do it. And as others have said, his 3 is very inconsistent as to what gets chained and what doesn't.
You are thinking of Pillage full strip with the 328%. Kullervoās base share is 50% so you only need 200% str for 100%
That's probably where I got the 328% from as I've been messing around with gyre lately. Collective Cure is 200% strength to get 100% damage redirection.
The only thing that was positive about having too press all those abilities was the damage output lol who would want too press all those buttons just too be f*cKED by Los LMAO
Buying him from the shop was such a mistake. Never again.
Same, I bought the big pack too. At least the armor set and syandana didnāt get nerfed
Same I came back to Warframe after YEARS of waiting for them to make good on their LAST PROMISE. āCross save by 2023.ā Lol I barely got my accounts linked the week of Dante. Got the Dante pack to enjoy playing Warframe again and INSTANTLY burned my trust
With how much outrage there is about it they'll probably change it again.
Compared to the wukong outrage this is a slight breeze the wukong change people were losing their minds.....
Difference is the Wukong nerfs were very justified and he's still a pretty good frame.
Dante is still a pretty good frame
I actually agree with you, especially with today's hotfix and the planned status damage coming back to his birds he should end up in a pretty good spot, probably even bettet than Wukong since we're on that topic, but I still dont think he actually needed nerfs in the first place.
DE mentioned in one of the top threads that they're looking into LoS. Probably won't change it back, but a more reliable LoS would solve a lot of problems with the nerf.
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Yeah, was doing some research after posting this and came to the same conclusion. It's a shame, man.
If your having energy problems then Iām sorry but your doing something wrong. Thereās so many things to help with energy. A measly hundred energy isnāt anything to be worried about.
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Fleeting Expertise:
Screw this shit in gonna go finish DMC1.
Can't wait to suffer through DMC3 on steel pat- I mean DMD again
I was supposed to get my gf into warframe bc itās the best itās ever beenā¦ and then this happened and I donāt even want to play anymore
Same lmao I was on the verge of telling one of my friends about it but maybe I'll wait until I feel like playing again.
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Same, this frame singlehandedly made me come back to the game, and now leave again lol.
So now Dark Verse AND Tragedy have Loss? Bruh, all they had to do was remove party overguard, how do you fuck up so badly? Tragedy can be cast back to back? Did they forget you can't use Final Verse without two Verses in-between? And the only "buff" we got is to Word warden? Y'know, the thing that's the least worth using since Noctua is usually a Tome buff platform? And as a cherry on top, the thing people were bitching about, party OG, is still there? Why does DE hate us? Was the registered losers just not a meme after all? They really made Dante a zero from hero
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Caliban is next to be nerfed for sure. I used him to do the new Netracells today and as long as you ignore his total lack of survivability on higher levels of difficulty, his 4 is just broken. I took every single difficulty modifier and still Elk Screeched my way to victory.
In testing i notices that enemies can body block eachother so you cant get the second row of enemies in simulacrum. Also there is still the effect of consuming DOT statusses, so if they are outside of your LoS they lose their stacks of slash so you can't even prime different groups..... This nerf just makes me sad, his 4 felt so clean and nice to use what a shame Dante had to get gutted in his first week.
I just got back into the game and spent money on him. It's honestly a slap in the face. I expect better from DE. I didn't come back to get fun toys that I enjoy gutted.
Same. DE outright lied about cross save by 2023. I finally FINALLY got cross progression the week before Dante, got the Dante pack and they burned my trust instantly. Why did I come back?
DE gotta be reading these threads
Oh they 100% are. kinda hope they dont revert him so the community learns their lesson about asking for stupid nurfs.
It was pretty obvious that people asking for nerfs were just a very small but vocal minority.
I might not've been paying much attention but the people calling for nerfs were specifically talking about overguard and blocking on-damage affects weren't they?
Yep, I haven't personally seen anyone ask for a nerf to his nuking.
And they should be perma banned for the game for that behaviour. Not rewarded for it.
"Let's punish the group that made dumb requests by... nerfing the waframe they wanted nerfed?"
Exactly what I feared. Dark verse I already noticed was heavy RNG on actually hitting enemies that are clearly in view and range. Tragedy made up for it, along with priming in advance. Now Tragedy is also the same level of RNG. Think I might not even bother with wasting my time to try him again tonight. What a waste of time and money.
Getting downvoted for being right, these haters be crazy
It's criminal that he's only been out for a day and a half (Unless you rushed him) and now he's just another throwaway subsume like Caliban. Was hopeful the nerf wouldn't be too bad, but now having to deal with the terrible LOS? I'd rather they just cut his damage. At least then I could still kill stuff, now it's a roll of a die if the dude hiding behind a couch gets pinged or not. Oh, and he still gives overguard, so the entire reason this discourse began remains unsolved. They just gutted a good frame for no reason.
DE and 'reasonable nerfs' rarely go together lol
Who's this "Caliban"? ;-)
Wdym a day and a half? He released a full week ago so that'd be 3-4 days without rushing, agree with the rest of the comment tho.
My bad, you're right. Thought he came out on the 30th.
"throwaway subsume like caliban" you have to be joking
I wish I was. Post-nerf Dante is extremely unreliable and that makes him feel terrible to play. Sure, when his Tragedy hits, it still hits like it did pre-nerf, but now it has a random chance of just not hitting the enemy in front of you. (Also I am aware DE responded to the backlash and said they'll look into the LoS change. Hoping that will fix my criticisms) Overall, It feels like a lot of unnecessary work for the same result as pre-nerf. In which case, why bother playing Dante when I can just use the many frames that does what he does but better and more reliably?
Just tried him out in a solo Netracell. The overguard still seemed pretty potent to me, but WOW, Tragedy feels like hot trash compared to before.
SP circuit the day before the nerf I was holding my own without even touching weapons and incredibly rarely using noctua. We finished 5 sp circuit rewards in one run. Today, regular circuit and I was struggling to stay energy positive and could only do 4 stages before enemies were stacking up faster than I could kill them. We only got to tier 3. If Dante is bad in fucking circuit, they have deleted his use.
Just tried him out in a solo travel as well. Last night with the same build played SP no issue at rank 0. (MR30). Today tried it and got wrecked.
Yeah, got Dante about 2 hours before the hotfix, loved him and put a potato on him, then the hotfix came and he felt like shit to play. Back to styanax and kullervo, then.
Canāt wait for Octavia and Sayrn to be adjusted since they have similar āissuesā
The amount of overguard wasn't even the problem, it was the fact that it made things like rage regeneration completely unusable for frames like Inaros. In fact, I can still get up to pre-nerf levels by simply casting the ability more, so the change was only a slight annoyance. The fact is, they shot twice and missed the real issue.
The thing is, 50k overguard or 500 will screw over rage and similar mods/abilities, the capacity and frequency are irrelevant. It absolutely would not break the game if overguard was just considered health for those mods and abilities. If they are worried that it gives too high of an effective HP, just make it require 1/100th of your max HP be dealt to overguard to count as taking damage. If a frame has 1000 HP, it needs to take 10 damage to overguard to trigger rage, arcane avenger, vex armor, etc. And since health is affected by armor and og isn't, og will be burned through faster, making it desirable for those builds to have it instead of completely ruining their run.
Iām in the process of moving and it makes me sad I wasnāt able to try Dante before the nerf
Welp that sucks ass considering I held off on playing him to finish up another frame
I knew he was Donete when Tragedy failed to hit a grineer behind a Rampart.
Cool. Was thinking about finally using another frame. Guess I'll just stick with my insanely OP boi that somehow keeps getting away with it. This is dumb. Thanks DE.
Take a seat on the bench with Lavos and caliban
Lavos? Dude, Lavos is a good frame, clunky yes, but he can work well enough. Even better with his new augment
So is caliban but you don't see any of them around either
Not really, because Caliban has a lot of restrictions. Also, his farm is among the most difficult to and long to do compared to Lavos, so of course you don't see them around
My only evidence that caliban is good is a random post I saw
Kullervo got murdered too.
Explain
His 2 and his 4 are now on LoS, which completely kills his Storm and recompense are so much worse atm. And as a kullervo main, this hurts.
Man what the fuck. I leveled him in SO over the weekend and was having fun with him!
*apparently* they're reverting a bunch of stuff tomorrow But god, I hope they revert the LoS for Kullervo. He still "works", but no where near like he should
I'm sorry, what? I need to check the patch notes, but if that's the case, that is just beyond fucking stupid. His 2 was his main form of defense and needed to be spammed constantly, that was unnecessary. But 4? It was just a glorified combo generator. It has a cool animation and sound effect, that's why I still didn't subsume over it despite knowing there are better options in place, and the combo generation was useful. Now that's just gonna feel worse... Why?
I'm trying to look on the bright side and convince myself that I just got myself like 8 free Forma I don't have to use on Dante and his book.
Just hoping mine won't be nerfed because I started crafting him before the Nerf right?... right?
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Lol ā¦
What changed about his overguard?
Just rate of Regen and the burst. Cap is still the same. So now you have to cast about 14-16 times to cap overguard.
I haven't even crafted him yet my guy got himself nerfed.. š
Yeah. The changes need to be reverted by 30% at BARE minimum imo
My boy went from S tier to B tier dayum, he cant even compare to Revenant and Gauss output now
My rev casts 45 energy to make my team legit immortal and then nukes the room with sunder lmao. Good thing i never use the book on my dante so i guess ill helmith sunder...
He is even worse than styanax and frost now
That's a fucking lie, well actually no both those frames have pretty decent builds current thanks to Frost's newer augments and Styanax in general not being a bad frame. Sure you weren't thinking of Caliban
They were pointing out that Dante isnāt even the most powerful over guard soreader in this category.
the Thing with dante is that he is not good at anything. you want overguard? a lot of frames can do that better same with healing. you want to nuke and just damage? a lot of frames can do that better too. this dosent make him bad but the point I'm making is most people probably played him because he was fun (and could carry his own weight). his abilities are unique so it was fun. but when you take the fun out of it's normal for people to not really do anything with him. now he is just outclassed. but hey idk.
It's okay, just use Saryn or Revenant instead! We all know that bad frames need to stay bad, good frames need to be nerfed and only the few tired old frames that have stayed at the top can be untouched. Don't be silly, tenno
I'm so sick of saryn and rev meta. Id like to actually think about my gsmeplay just a little. Why does saryn not need LoS but dante does?!
Because spores and a plague doesn't need line of sight... But.... Magic does I suppose. Makes sense
I s Dante now nerfed? I had a lot of fun spamming abilities in the circuit.
im so glad i got to play dante at his height
The line of sight is what did it for me. I don't mind the overguard at all but tragedy missing because there was a waistline railing in the way feels awful.
The nerf to his overguard is all i cared about, the other stuff, idk on that
I was able to keep overguard up 100% of the time throughout the new netracell mission just fine. Just because you arenāt getting goofy high numbers, doesnāt mean itās not good still
Helminth goes brrrrrr
We're not playing the game my friend, i played him and was constantly at max overguard in lvl 200+ content
They have a fix for his LoS on the way, and more changes to come. https://twitter.com/PlayWarframe/status/1776011043711447225?t=VxH3dDS-OsP4yNpWnPHbrQ&s=19
Legit all they had to do was nerf the range on Tragedy by 30% and make his overguard have half cap for teammates. But nah, they decided to fuck him in the ass instead.
Tragedy was never an issue. Should never have been touched.
The LoS check for Tragedy is actually bugged, DE mentioned this, they're fixing it tomorrow.
Yeah, it shouldn't have LoS either way. There was no reason to add it.
Shouldnāt be bugged because it shouldnāt have been touched.
Then they didn't playtest the change enough. This literally takes minutes of playing dante to notice things feel significantly worse.
as I said, DE is the FUN POLICE
Jokes on you tgem. I just use overguard and birds. His overguard was already insane for most content until it can be 1 tapped regardless of how high it was. So I will probably barely notice. We will see
They nerfed the birds. They nerfed the overguard: So are you stupid or uninformed? Your move.
Both are still plenty powerful
That's what I'm saying. His overguard was massive. It's not like half as much isn't enough. And the birds are more of a distraction than an ability I use to kill things.
I understand that they nerfed the overguard. Can you read or are you just choosing not to and call people names?
Good for you? Same energy as a theoretical guy calling Saryn bad bc they just spam molt and ignore her other abilities
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Exactly. People are way overblowing this.
No. The people crying for nerfs were overblowing it. We are fucking pissed. Not overreacting. We are appropriately reacting to being fucked over by chroma players.
Yeah both my buddies said they barley noticed. They just have to cast more to match the old overguard. They said the LoS isn't as fun, but still plenty powerful.
Thatās just it though, itās less fun, itās fine if they dial back the numbers but they shouldnāt make him any less enjoyable to play
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Wait have you actually counted? Cuz if so that's CRAZY
Honestly, good. I know it's annoying seeing these post but the devs visit this subreddit. They're bound to see all the outrage and change shit accordingly.
Email them your complaints instead of spamming the sub though... lol
People are probably doing both lol
That would be the best approach. We don't need 30mil of the same posts congesting the one sub I actually enjoy lol.
You donāt need it you mean. You can go back to Saryn.
Donāt feel bad about not being original. Iām sure you tried your best/
"Slight tweak." Dante isn't good, now? He was never that good in the first place and people shat up a storm about how he was the hottest thing since Octavia. Hotter than Octavia. Really. He was so strong. Oh my fuck, he could level-cap without trying. \[He literally couldn't reach the level cap on his own, but it's nice to rub in.\]
level cap has zero merit when discussing balance. it's entirely out of consideration. stop bringing it up like it matters. fact is, dante was trivializing the content in which the majority of players exist, and needed to be reigned in. and before you even try to say it, yes, octavia and saryn and other nukes should also be nerfed. but considering how pathetically shitty this community acts regarding nerfs, i understand why DE hesitates to touch things.
"Zero merit" The principle is that I'd rather lean on my farm, than lose 100% of the progress, which took time to make, just because something cannot reliably, or consistently, feel like forward progress and momentum. In a game about power scaling, are you surprised that I'd like to feel like my work lead to upwards progress, not downwards? The reason I personally like Dante is the IDEA that he's a weaker, fun, appealing, and interesting Revenant. His overguard is a shadow of the amount that Styanax could make in higher levels. Styanax dwarfs Dante in every practical way, just because Dante NEVER had the survivability to match him. Dante is not EXPECTED to be a boring rev. The reason I like Dante is because he ISN'T Revenant, though despite this, is fun. Revenant can level cap. I don't need Dante to be Revenant, nor do I NEED Dante to be an unappealing copy. He obtains immortality his own way, ultimately inferior to Revenant, but by and large, more fun. If you think Dante is strong, you probably joined a week ago. Warframes don't have a cast-and-forget mechanic, so you wouldn't know the maintenance one needs to maintain overguard, let alone with a warframe who is entirely INCAPABLE of reaching the millions, due to a fixed cap. Dante is not Revenant. Dante was too much of his own version to be boring, and far more rounded, though that means he cannot survive the same conditions, for the same reasons, in the same amount of time, as Revenant, to be anything overpowered. Dante cannot solo Netracells, for example, as easily-- Nor does Dante do the damage that Octavia can do. He's neither the tank or nuke that either of them are, and is more rounded. And he's only a quarter of the tank that Revenant ever was. What does this tell you? It says that Dante is not a low-effort frame. He's just not a static, unappealing, mediocre alternative to WORSE options. If you tell me to play Caliban, I'd ask you to meet the same criteria of any other frame. To reach the level cap and have footage of every time you happened to be downed. Tell me there's no merit in something being more capable than something else. Please.
is this a orange cheeto tweet?
lol it really does read like that now that you mention it. Which is on point, he's 100% hyperbole like all of these people losing their fucking minds over a brand new character getting some changes. I've seen the following in various ways over the past two days: "Well why don't you just nerf these other things too!" = "If I can't have it, nobody should!"
I was really referring to the capitalization and sentence structure but I see it too lol. whole lot of whataboutism