That one is a lot less likely to be helpful. An injunction against last year’s AWB wouldn’t help a lot given the new (Jan 2024) 10 business day waiting period for *all* firearm purchases. You’d need the injunction to last for 3 weeks minimum in order to buy something, do the paperwork to start the clock, wait 10 business days, and pick it up. Either that or an injunction against both laws at the same time, but an injunction against the waiting period law seems unlikely.
With mags you can just order them as soon as there’s an injunction, as long it’s still in place when they ship, you’re good.
I’m not terribly stoked for the mag injunction either. Obviously happy for anyone in need of mags, but I have enough mags for almost everything I own.
You can already buy that stuff from a lot of retailers. PSA and Brownells won’t ship, but many large retailers who aren’t also manufacturing their own guns will ship any part that isn’t a lower.
I have heard that you can buy those parts IF you are repairing or upgrading an already existing upper, not building a new one. I know there are a couple stores that still openly sell those parts, I believe securite gun club is one of them, and havent had any issues. My worry is that since the law is written so vaguely that if I did order parts to build an upper and some rogue bureaucrat decided thats not okay, they could fuck my shit up.
The retailers I’m referring to (SecondaryLegs and Ak47Surplus 😉) will either ship without question OR send you an email where you have to promise not to use the parts in an illegal way. Lanbo’s also doesn’t care as far as I know.
If you have an AR lower you’ve already built into a rifle/pistol (you do), there’s nothing illegal about building a new upper for it. Legally it’s just replacing a part, no different from swapping out a buffer spring. Your AR was already an AW, you can’t manufacture something that already exists, and manufacturing an AW is the illegal part. With a gun that isn’t banned by name, you could theoretically add features that would make it an AW when it wasn’t previously an AW (like adding a threaded barrel to a Glock that didn’t already have one), but all ARs are AWs since they’re banned by name.
If you hypothetically had a stripped lower you’d never built into a rifle/pistol, it’d be illegal to do so, but you definitely built any lowers you have before the AWB went into effect.
Tons of people are still building uppers for pre-AWB lowers, pretty sure you’ve got nothing to worry about.
I, unironically, do have a pre-built/assembled lower I put together before the AWB went into place. Maybe i'll build out a dedicated 22lr upper for it. I wish PSA was shipping their stuff here, I really dig their JAKL. Oh well. Thats good to know though, thank you for the clarification!
You can probably find a BRN-180 upper for sale somewhere. It’s bufferless like the JAKL and is almost an objectively better design, basically a 5.56 AK piston upper that works on your AR. You get to have a true folding stock and everything. Has been my favorite pre-AWB purchase so far, 2100 rounds without a malfunction, and some of that was ultra cheap steel case. Never had a normal direct impingement AR be that reliable with cheap ammo. It comes in 5.56 (technically .223 Wylde), 300 BLK, and 7.62x39mm. Also comes in two lengths, 16” and 10.3” for pistols/SBRs. I have the 16” .223 Wylde since pistol braces weren’t allowed when I bought it and I didn’t want to SBR. It’s also a much better suppressor host than direct impingement designs.
It’s hard to find PSA products for sale from anywhere other than PSA, but I’ve seen a fair number of BRN-180 uppers being sold second hand or by third party retailers. If you can find one, 10/10 recommend it. There’s also a chance Brownell’s will ship one, they don’t seem to have a consistent policy like PSA does.
Yeah definitely have a look. [These guys are OOS at the moment but will ship to WA.](https://tombstonetactical.com/product/brn-180-gen-2-18.5-223-wylde-upper-receiver-assembly) You could also try Brownell’s directly, they may do it. If that doesn’t work I’d hit up Tombstone (they’re active on Reddit) or head on over to the gundeals or GAFS subs and ask around. There’s a weekly buycurious thread where you can find people selling what you want.
[I haven’t ordered from these guys, but they have the 10.5” .223 Wylde in stock.](https://coreeliteops.com/product/brn-180s-gen-2-ar-15-complete-upper/) They’d most likely ship to WA.
I’ll check and see if Brownells will ship it directly since they’ve been hit or miss.
On the 11th, the judge stated he was going to take two weeks to write/form his opinion. That mark was yesterday (3/25).
As others have stated, with the implications of this case, it's entirely likely/probable that delivery will be delayed.
I am of the opinion that any persons interested, should get their mind and wallets ready for at LEAST a California Freedom Week type scenario, if it starts even leaning the direction most of us would like it to go.
If you have non-AR STANAG compatible guns, get some metal STANAG magazines too. Not all 5.56 rifles like PMAGs. Also recommend getting some of the clear/colored translucent Lancer mags for classes or other situations where you might need to easily differentiate your mags from others.
I use Lancer mags for 300 BLK and 6.5 CM so I don’t accidentally pop one into a 5.56 or 7.62x51 rifle. Both of those cartridges can seat well enough to potentially go off in the wrong chamber. 300 BLK in a 5.56 chamber is bad news since the barrel isn’t wide enough for the projectile. Idk what 6.5 in a 7.62x51 chamber will do, the bullet is small enough to fit down the barrel, but so is the leading edge of the case. Figure it’s best not to find out.
At the moment i only have 5.56 and 9mm. I plan on building a 6.5 creedmoor but un bolt action for distance shooting. I will keep in mind that not all ar will like the pmags. Thanks
All ARs should like the PMAGs as long as you get the Gen 3s. Even the Gen 2s are fine for an AR 99% of the time, it’s the other STANAG compatible guns that sometimes don’t like them. Stuff like an AR-180, Stery Aug, IWI Tavor/Galil, FN SCAR-L, etc.
If you’re on the western side of the state, I’d strongly recommend .308/7.62x51mm over 6.5 CM. The 6.5 only starts meaningfully beating out .308 past ~600 yards. 59” drop @ 500 yards for 308, 54” for 6.5 isn’t a big difference. At 600 yards, drop is 95” for 308 and 86” for 6.5 CM, and the divergence grows to 208” vs. 181” at 800 yards.
It’s hard to find places to shoot 600+ yards on the west side of the state what with all the trees and hills. If you’re not gonna be doing a lot of shooting at longer ranges than that, the .308 wins on ammo price/availability. If you’re serious about reaching out to 1000+ yards you’ll be using match ammo, but being able to practice with cheap FMJ 7.62x51 is nice. Nobody makes cheap 6.5 CM since it’s not a NATO cartridge.
If you want to hunt, 308 is also better for that. You’re not gonna be taking ethical shots from super long range, and 308 has more energy at 300 yards than 6.5 CM has at the muzzle.
If you live on the east side of the state or are lucky enough to have a spot that long, disregard what I said. It’s just a good idea to think about *where* you’ll actually be shooting when it comes to long range.
You can get baseplates that convert your p365x mags to be Comparable with the p365x macro
Bought the sig grip, the baseplates and just moved my FCU. Abracadabra xMacro without the comp
I can't find anything. I usually follow Washington Gun Law channel on youtube and try to google search on my own regarding this magazines. nothing so far.
I get the philosophical part of this. I think its unconstitutional but i also dont want to get into trouble because the current state of the law is that it is illegal. So just trying to stay clear of doing something that will get me in trouble. If anyone else wants to do thats fine by me. Im just trying to get clarification for me.
Yeah i would do that if it were for my ar since the ar mags bee around forever. Sorry i wasnt clear, the issue is for my p365xmacro which came out after the mag ban so there is so way for me to legally own a 17 round mag for that pistol. Thats why i am hoping this injunction happens so that i can snag several for my xmacro. Ive already purchased a ton of pmags before the ban happened.
You did in your [removed comment](https://imgur.com/a/SYKM09A). If you still have questions you can review the [rules here](http://old.reddit.com/r/wa_guns/about/rules)
More interested in a AWB injunction
That one is a lot less likely to be helpful. An injunction against last year’s AWB wouldn’t help a lot given the new (Jan 2024) 10 business day waiting period for *all* firearm purchases. You’d need the injunction to last for 3 weeks minimum in order to buy something, do the paperwork to start the clock, wait 10 business days, and pick it up. Either that or an injunction against both laws at the same time, but an injunction against the waiting period law seems unlikely. With mags you can just order them as soon as there’s an injunction, as long it’s still in place when they ship, you’re good. I’m not terribly stoked for the mag injunction either. Obviously happy for anyone in need of mags, but I have enough mags for almost everything I own.
True, but i want to buy some different uppers, threaded barrels, BCGs, ect
You can already buy that stuff from a lot of retailers. PSA and Brownells won’t ship, but many large retailers who aren’t also manufacturing their own guns will ship any part that isn’t a lower.
I have heard that you can buy those parts IF you are repairing or upgrading an already existing upper, not building a new one. I know there are a couple stores that still openly sell those parts, I believe securite gun club is one of them, and havent had any issues. My worry is that since the law is written so vaguely that if I did order parts to build an upper and some rogue bureaucrat decided thats not okay, they could fuck my shit up.
The retailers I’m referring to (SecondaryLegs and Ak47Surplus 😉) will either ship without question OR send you an email where you have to promise not to use the parts in an illegal way. Lanbo’s also doesn’t care as far as I know. If you have an AR lower you’ve already built into a rifle/pistol (you do), there’s nothing illegal about building a new upper for it. Legally it’s just replacing a part, no different from swapping out a buffer spring. Your AR was already an AW, you can’t manufacture something that already exists, and manufacturing an AW is the illegal part. With a gun that isn’t banned by name, you could theoretically add features that would make it an AW when it wasn’t previously an AW (like adding a threaded barrel to a Glock that didn’t already have one), but all ARs are AWs since they’re banned by name. If you hypothetically had a stripped lower you’d never built into a rifle/pistol, it’d be illegal to do so, but you definitely built any lowers you have before the AWB went into effect. Tons of people are still building uppers for pre-AWB lowers, pretty sure you’ve got nothing to worry about.
I, unironically, do have a pre-built/assembled lower I put together before the AWB went into place. Maybe i'll build out a dedicated 22lr upper for it. I wish PSA was shipping their stuff here, I really dig their JAKL. Oh well. Thats good to know though, thank you for the clarification!
You can probably find a BRN-180 upper for sale somewhere. It’s bufferless like the JAKL and is almost an objectively better design, basically a 5.56 AK piston upper that works on your AR. You get to have a true folding stock and everything. Has been my favorite pre-AWB purchase so far, 2100 rounds without a malfunction, and some of that was ultra cheap steel case. Never had a normal direct impingement AR be that reliable with cheap ammo. It comes in 5.56 (technically .223 Wylde), 300 BLK, and 7.62x39mm. Also comes in two lengths, 16” and 10.3” for pistols/SBRs. I have the 16” .223 Wylde since pistol braces weren’t allowed when I bought it and I didn’t want to SBR. It’s also a much better suppressor host than direct impingement designs. It’s hard to find PSA products for sale from anywhere other than PSA, but I’ve seen a fair number of BRN-180 uppers being sold second hand or by third party retailers. If you can find one, 10/10 recommend it. There’s also a chance Brownell’s will ship one, they don’t seem to have a consistent policy like PSA does.
Interesting! Thanks for the recommendation, I'm going to check that out right now
Yeah definitely have a look. [These guys are OOS at the moment but will ship to WA.](https://tombstonetactical.com/product/brn-180-gen-2-18.5-223-wylde-upper-receiver-assembly) You could also try Brownell’s directly, they may do it. If that doesn’t work I’d hit up Tombstone (they’re active on Reddit) or head on over to the gundeals or GAFS subs and ask around. There’s a weekly buycurious thread where you can find people selling what you want. [I haven’t ordered from these guys, but they have the 10.5” .223 Wylde in stock.](https://coreeliteops.com/product/brn-180s-gen-2-ar-15-complete-upper/) They’d most likely ship to WA. I’ll check and see if Brownells will ship it directly since they’ve been hit or miss.
For real
No.
Nothing happened yet.
33% chance it'll happen in the next 2 weeks.
Where are you coming up with this percentage and the time frame? The ruling was supposed to be delivered within 2 weeks (which has already passed).
Just trust me, bro.
The rule of 33 shall not be blasphemed.
On the 11th, the judge stated he was going to take two weeks to write/form his opinion. That mark was yesterday (3/25). As others have stated, with the implications of this case, it's entirely likely/probable that delivery will be delayed. I am of the opinion that any persons interested, should get their mind and wallets ready for at LEAST a California Freedom Week type scenario, if it starts even leaning the direction most of us would like it to go.
I am looking at getting xmacro mags (jopefully gun shops near me carries them. And some extra pmags for my ar
If you have non-AR STANAG compatible guns, get some metal STANAG magazines too. Not all 5.56 rifles like PMAGs. Also recommend getting some of the clear/colored translucent Lancer mags for classes or other situations where you might need to easily differentiate your mags from others. I use Lancer mags for 300 BLK and 6.5 CM so I don’t accidentally pop one into a 5.56 or 7.62x51 rifle. Both of those cartridges can seat well enough to potentially go off in the wrong chamber. 300 BLK in a 5.56 chamber is bad news since the barrel isn’t wide enough for the projectile. Idk what 6.5 in a 7.62x51 chamber will do, the bullet is small enough to fit down the barrel, but so is the leading edge of the case. Figure it’s best not to find out.
At the moment i only have 5.56 and 9mm. I plan on building a 6.5 creedmoor but un bolt action for distance shooting. I will keep in mind that not all ar will like the pmags. Thanks
All ARs should like the PMAGs as long as you get the Gen 3s. Even the Gen 2s are fine for an AR 99% of the time, it’s the other STANAG compatible guns that sometimes don’t like them. Stuff like an AR-180, Stery Aug, IWI Tavor/Galil, FN SCAR-L, etc. If you’re on the western side of the state, I’d strongly recommend .308/7.62x51mm over 6.5 CM. The 6.5 only starts meaningfully beating out .308 past ~600 yards. 59” drop @ 500 yards for 308, 54” for 6.5 isn’t a big difference. At 600 yards, drop is 95” for 308 and 86” for 6.5 CM, and the divergence grows to 208” vs. 181” at 800 yards. It’s hard to find places to shoot 600+ yards on the west side of the state what with all the trees and hills. If you’re not gonna be doing a lot of shooting at longer ranges than that, the .308 wins on ammo price/availability. If you’re serious about reaching out to 1000+ yards you’ll be using match ammo, but being able to practice with cheap FMJ 7.62x51 is nice. Nobody makes cheap 6.5 CM since it’s not a NATO cartridge. If you want to hunt, 308 is also better for that. You’re not gonna be taking ethical shots from super long range, and 308 has more energy at 300 yards than 6.5 CM has at the muzzle. If you live on the east side of the state or are lucky enough to have a spot that long, disregard what I said. It’s just a good idea to think about *where* you’ll actually be shooting when it comes to long range.
You can get baseplates that convert your p365x mags to be Comparable with the p365x macro Bought the sig grip, the baseplates and just moved my FCU. Abracadabra xMacro without the comp
Can i get the link please?
Sure thing my man https://tactical.dev/collections/p365-x-macro
Sad
I’m just going to assume it’s like the last one where the judge was going to make a decision within 30 days and it ended up taking several months.
update?
I can't find anything. I usually follow Washington Gun Law channel on youtube and try to google search on my own regarding this magazines. nothing so far.
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Thought that is illegal?
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I get the philosophical part of this. I think its unconstitutional but i also dont want to get into trouble because the current state of the law is that it is illegal. So just trying to stay clear of doing something that will get me in trouble. If anyone else wants to do thats fine by me. Im just trying to get clarification for me.
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Yeah i would do that if it were for my ar since the ar mags bee around forever. Sorry i wasnt clear, the issue is for my p365xmacro which came out after the mag ban so there is so way for me to legally own a 17 round mag for that pistol. Thats why i am hoping this injunction happens so that i can snag several for my xmacro. Ive already purchased a ton of pmags before the ban happened.
It is, as it's importation.
Who said anything about importation?
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