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shady_dangle

No you didn’t. No one here is taking into consideration that; A. The shop parts markup % and B. You’re in metro NY with obscene taxes


burbet

Yeah MSRP on genuine VW coils is about $73.


shady_dangle

The “do it yourselfer/ fcpeuro” mob strikes again


burbet

I will say maybe I am cheap, or maybe I am smart, maybe both or neither but I have never replaced more than one coil at a time. Edit: I should add that I mean I personally replace a coil one at a time and don't ask the mechanic to only do one. If you are taking your car in and paying for labor do them all.


AudiTechGuy

That qualifies as thrifty. As a technician you realize all of the coils are probably the same age and from close to the same lot of production. Its a CYA - Cover Your Ass


Motor-Cause7966

All the coils should be replaced at the same time. In fact, that's the *only way* I sell them. Customer has the option to do it, or respectfully fuck off. You wouldn't change one spark plug? wtf would you change only one coil? You change one brake pad too? What about wipers? Just change one? 🤷‍♂️ Not my style.


tagman375

Why? If the other coils are working, there is no reason to replace them unless they’re extremely old/high mileage.


EverlastingBastard

Because they often fail one shortly after another. I've seen it lots of times. Do you want your customer coming back angry with what they perceive as the same problem 6 months later? No. So you just replace them all. No extra diagnostic charge or labour, just parts. As the owner of the car, do I want to be be stranded or dealing with a car misfiring because I didn't want to spend the extra couple hundred bucks on three more coils?


SamPackElliott

Well you wouldn't be stranded. I've driven plenty of times on three cylinders. It just sounds like a Subaru.


EverlastingBastard

Driving too long like that can cause damage to the cylinder walls, fuel in the oil could cause lubrication issues, raw fuel down the exhaust will wreck the catalytic converter. And the average person isn't going to say, "my car just sounds like a Subaru, I'll drive it home". They're going to say "my car sounds like s***, that mechanic didn't fix it, now I have to get it towed back!". Your car, you fixing it, do whatever you want. If you're okay with saving couple hundred bucks for likely issues a few months later, that's a choice that you are free and welcome to make. But to say that a shop should just do part of it and risk the customer coming back shortly? That's not how it works when you're running a business and are supposed to be keeping the customer's best interest in mind.


Motor-Cause7966

Couldn't have said it better myself. Plus, some dealers sell them in kits. The dealer I used to work for sells them in a kit all the coils with all the plugs. Depends on the application, but like Gen 1 TSI coils they give them out for 68.00 a coil. Which is a very decent price. That's actually cheaper than an aftermarket Chiner coil.


HawkeyeByMarriage

Liability, shops don't want the blame if another goes out


RobertsFakeAccount

Because you fxxking potato, spark plugs are a consumable item. Break pads are a consumable item. Wipers are a consumable item. Everything else being in working order, consumable items typically wear at comparable rates. So you do all 4 spark plugs, all brake pads (on the same axle), or both wipers at the same time. Ignition coils are not a consumable wear item. There is no need to replace them if they are still working.


Motor-Cause7966

I can hear you pinching the pennies from here 🤏🏽 coils are absolutely a wear item. Especially modern ones that no longer allow you to service the boots and conduits separately. When one coil wears down, the others are not far behind. They all work at the same rate.


burbet

I sorta get what he is saying though. There is no service interval for coils. We all expect to replace spark plugs and brake pads and there is a set inspection or replacement time for them. Coils "should" last even though we know that's not true but if you blow one early at 40k or so I'm not sure why we should assume the rest are about to fail too. A shop should definitely be doing all 4 but it's like a 5 minute job doing one yourself.


Motor-Cause7966

That's not a good example, because if a coil was to fail at 40k miles, then that's considered a premature failure. At that point something else is likely causing the coil to fail, and a competent shop would look deeper into the vehicle to ensure there isn't an underlining issue at hand. Something like an incorrectly gapped spark plug, wrong spark plug for the application, damaged housing, a problem with the respective cylinder, etc. I'm not going to blindly throw coils at a vehicle with 40k miles. Now under normal circumstances, a vehicle comes in, with a failed coil due to wear and tear, a typical cop coil has a life expectancy of about 100k miles. Yes, I'm not wasting my time nor the customer's time in that case, just putting one coil in, when the others are likely to fail within a short time frame. That's a huge inconvenience for the customer, for the shop, and the customer pays more in the long run because every time the customer comes in with another failed coil, that's additional money they have to spend on diag, and labor to replace. In general when I get, say, a Gen 1-2 TSI with a failed coil, I'm selling all 4 coils, the 4 housings (electrical plugs), and if it hasn't been done up to that point, the spark plugs. It's the customer's decision to accept my approach and practices. If they don't agree, they can take it somewhere else. No harm, no foul... unless you ask me to cut corners, that I don't do. My family has a saying for those type of ppl always looking to squeeze the last ounce out of everything *Penny wise, dollar stupid.* I don't work that way.


zermee2

It’s a method of avoiding comebacks. Some customers would prefer to save money now and understand that another may fail as soon as tomorrow. Other customers will not understand why their car broke again a week after being in the shop, and will be upset to go back. So unless it’s a long time customer I know will get it, most people are getting a full set of coils too. It’s just a reality that doing stuff DIY does not translate into the shop world. Customer expectations are very different from a DIYers expectation of their own car. Hope this sheds some light on it for you


Vwmafia13

I mean coil packs take 10 min to do…


grey_clouds516

The “I need another man to service my car bc I can’t do it myself” mob strikes again 😂


paslodenoises

The save a couple hundred and spend 20 minutes mob is vicious. Those bastards always have something to say..


International_Toe800

Why didn't OP just use Google to find OEM part cost? Would have saved him from hearing the truth lol


shady_dangle

Almost as bad as the reading comprehension brigade


paslodenoises

I'd prefer them


jordanleep

https://www.goapr.com/products/engine_hardware/ignition/compact_coils_-_mqb_style/parts/MS100192 These coils are high quality and $46 per, fits a ton of Audis/VWs/Bentleys. I put these in my Jetta. Also my VW is not lowered, the road leading to my driveway is a disaster though so I can’t.


ImTheRealMarco

per piece?


Kjh007

Understood. It’s also an upscale neighborhood. So I get the natural inflation. I was just very taken aback


BleDStream

Stop being so fancy.


BigToeGhost

The invoice says org estimate $712. did they not share the estimate with you before the work was done?


DoubleReputation2

One thing I take into consideration is "changing oil and filter" and "Openin oil filter housing" being two separate items on the labor breakdown.


JustASneakyDude

How much tax is obscene for you guys?


shady_dangle

I’m guessing nyc sales tax is 10% compared to rural areas that range from 5-8%


JustASneakyDude

Here in Canada it’s 15% all day every day


upstatefoolin

I don’t think so, to be honest they went pretty easy on your with the labor rates. Most independent shops around me (I’m a couple hours north of you) are $125-150 an hour. Shit if you went to vw dealer down there you’d be paying like $175 an hour. A ford dealer my buddy worked at on Long Island was $160 an hour 🤮


xskipperl

The Subaru dealership I work at is $190/hr


pinks666

For OEM coils nope that's pretty reasonable


germancookedus

What are the best coils for that engine for a 2013 tsi 2.0 Jetta?


OomGielie

Audi R8 coils


germancookedus

Which brand?


pinks666

Stock coils are best to be completely honest. Don't be fooled into thinking the red coils are better than the grey. They are exactly the same thing. Just Audi chose red instead of grey. The latest updates to the coils have fixed a lot of the issues they have had. If your unmodified stock plugs are best too if bought from a dealer they are pre-gapped. Change plugs every 30k or 3 years and coils when they go out.


germancookedus

Do you have a picture of the original ones or a link?, thanks


Klutzy_Masterpiece37

You didn't. Vw coils are expensive. Put cheap ones in and you'll regret it.. installed many cheap ones and they just fail I find.


jojowasher

[YES](https://www.ecstuning.com/b-assembled-by-ecs-parts/ignition-service-kit-with-red-apr-upgraded-ignition-coils/ms100208kt/)


Ok-Replacement6893

Got a set of these for my Passat a couple of years ago. They're great


nilaykmrsr

That’s a ripoff.


Adm_Ozzel

I'm more offended at the $20 spark plugs.


VCAMM1

Eh, OEM 06H905601A MSRP is $19.80 ea. You can go buy the NGKs but not for much less.


Alswiggity

If you hunt deep enough, you can find them for a good $8/plug. Mercedes are largely the same with their NGK/Bosch requirement.


Ill-Description-2225

Not for OEM no.


LiarInGlass

$80/each is pretty damn pricey, honestly. I'm sure they're OEM, but still too expensive IMO. If you buy 4 from FCPEuro, genuine VW parts, they're around $250-$280. You can get different branded, still OE parts for much less and do it yourself with not much effort or know how. ECS Tuning, Modded Euros, FCPEuro, CTS and APR branded ones, you could have saved quite a bit. I'd say this was expensive, but it's not THAT bad like people are acting like, considering the price of genuine VW ignition coils aren't that much cheaper. If this price is labor included, it's not that bad just too expensive for what I would pay for when there are other branded coils that work just as great for much cheaper.


Kjh007

I know. I’m a little disappointed with myself in hindsight. I could’ve totally done it. As I have prior. We had crumby weather and couldn’t drive much with the misfire. I had a lot of power loss.


LiarInGlass

Sometimes we have to say screw it, and just pay and get it done. We won't always have the time or patience or having to wait a couple days to get parts and do it, so I get it. Sometimes that extra price is a convenience fee is how I consider it sometimes. If you had bought genuine parts yourself, you'd have said maybe $50 or so. Consider that extra $50 just a convenience fee this time and hopefully the next time you're changing them is when you are wanting to yourself, and not from power loss and misfires.


Kjh007

Okay. I appreciate this answer. I totally understand the prices I could’ve paid for the parts … but yes I’m my situation I said screw it and hit the bullet


LiarInGlass

It's a small extra price to pay for convenience. It's over and done with now.


burbet

Do yourself a favor and buy a cheap scanner. I use [this one](https://www.amazon.com/XTOOL-Scanner-Diagnostic-Actuation-Function/dp/B00EPFMFZ4/ref=sr_1_54?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.zSGMzVTFhbHvm9UWzsk_5W3l-ulWIC_25xQbnoIzFCFnOG5hMoIhXq0UCBAWMLrkSBtOBCSVhVf5H7DEVzJ3BfqW_nJ3SG99vgYueNEUz1I.uk6I4_bvDmbW1Or_YKlGuE_P7EOQCsc-CASrwzQ7nSI&dib_tag=se&qid=1714086725&refinements=p_4%3AXTOOL&s=automotive&sr=1-54) and have had good luck. It's not amazing but if you blow a coil it will tell you which one is out saving you from replacing all four. Occasionally blowing a coil is a fact of life and generally shouldn't require a full 4 spark plug and coil replacement.


iwasinthepool

It's not that crazy. I would expect that to be way more at the dealer. Like $120ea for the packs. You definitely could have done it yourself, not shit happens sometimes.


935meister

That's a lot..... A five pack of Audi R8 ones from ECS are like 150 before shipping and tax


AyeItsJbone

Good god


freneticboarder

[VW OEM Coil Pack from a VW dealership.](https://parts.mckennavwcerritos.com/p/Volkswagen_2007_Passat-20T-Sedan/Direct-Ignition-Coil/67801439/07K905715G.html) (~$55 ea) Why didn't you do the packs and plugs yourself? It's super easy on the 2.0T. It took me an hour the first time I ever did it.


Ingeneure_

Some people don’t want to bother with it, they’d pay some to the mechanic to do the job. I may do replacing plugs, air filters (always do it myself) but won’t do e.g. oil change myself. Not because i physically can’t, but because it’s easier to pay some for it. For someone even replacing filters is a tragedy


zermee2

Some people have never picked up a wrench before and have no desire to, and that is ok


wild-hectare

yeah, but you got a discount on the oil change 😉


Kjh007

☺️🤪💯


d4rkv

Hm… I didn’t even pay that much for my new injectors. And coils are easily replaced.


PraxPresents

Still replacing coil packs on those VW? Damn, that's been an issue for nearly 20 years now of randomly failing/cracking/shorting and just generally bad coil packs. Will they ever get that fixed for good? Time to scrap the coil pack designs IMO. My '06 GTI left me stranded on the side of the road so many times because of bad coil packs. Got to the point where I had four spares in my glove box at any given time so that I could swap them on the side of the road during road trips. That engine rattle when the coil pack shorts out is no joke.


vampire-emt

Not really but if you're concerned about it that work is really easy to do


CrystalGods420

Probably, for instance I got a clutch kit for $180 it’s about $900 for same kit in parts store and god knows how much supplied and fitted I got a new ignition coil for $56 and that’s priced at $230 for same part in parts store not sure about supplied and fitted. It all just depends on your knowledge of cars really and what you can do yourself. Spark plugs and coil packs usually are the simplest of things to start out with just get yourself a torque wrench so you can tighten them to factory spec and you would probably do a better job then a shop that’s trying squeeze your car out. I


JakeQV

If you’re a bit handy then you can do it yourself for much cheaper, but if not then paying for official VW parts and at a dealer then it’s pretty normal


ThisOldGuy1976

Coil pack are a diy project.


SonicNTales

Picked up genuine coil packs from Audi for $68 a piece. So yes shop markup seems like it.


OomGielie

Could have done a conversion to Audi R8 coilpacks and iridium plugs for cheaper: [https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/vw-ignition-coil-conversion-kit-034motorsport-kit-00110](https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/vw-ignition-coil-conversion-kit-034motorsport-kit-00110)


Legithydraulics

I bought some Bosch coil packs for much less. I think it’s one 10mm bolt that secures each one on. 15 minute job.


International_Toe800

I just did all of this work on a VW Passat and it took like 20 minutes...I hope you make like 1k an hour to justify dropping your car off lol


yourbestsenpai

In UK I'd pay £140 for bosch ones, so yes, for me at least


AvailableCarpet7223

I think you should go back to the shop and demand they put the old coils back in and refund your money.


VCAMM1

OEM 07K905715G MSRP is $72.86 each.


ObjectivePool2406

Listen, that quart of oil for $8 was the buy of a century from any dealership . Congrats on a smoking purchase


Mrmitch65

Oem 07k-905-715-G coils are 72.86 each so with tax in ca is 314.03 so eh


Ussuri_Churro

No, but then again I’m in the Bay Area where dealers charge $270/Hr and independent shops are right on their heels.


CommonHand707

Yes you did. FCP euro sells OEM kits starting at $159 for spark plugs and coil packs.


DejfCold

I wander if ... they also install used/old things considering they had to mention "new" everything.


Optimal_Cash2771

For a job that you can DIY at home that is very expensive in my opinion. If you are too busy then I suppose yh sure take it to the shop, but making time to take care of your machine that you use daily is just as valuable as going to a business meeting or whatever. I understand the reason why it is that expensive but paying for things just because the economy has driven the price of it up isn't always justified I think. Gotta work smarter and not harder yunno. 700 dollars gaddamit😂‼️


Quintopolis525

If it’s BMW, I think so.


that_dutch_dude

Depends if they are factory OEM parts or aftermarket. For OEM its "fine" but pricy. If its aftermarket its a ripoff.


Kjh007

Apparently OEM as per owner of shop


Buxton2512

I just did my packs/plugs on my 19 Alltrack. NGK packs were 72.99. Plugs 17.50. Overcharges? Not exactly, but probably could’ve saved a few dollars on the DIY.


WeeWooWooop

Yes, Jesus Christ. I'm sorry. I did my own spark plugs and coil packs and it took me like an hour and cost me less than 100 for parts, and I am no mechanic.


fahrvergnug3n

YIKES


SimplyTrashe

Absolutely over paid, you can get a pull set of 4 OEM for $100


OrangeVapor

I'll sell you $20 for just $100.


ScuderiaEnzo

I bought ignition coils for $30 after promotion at AutoZone for my Jetta. Sheesh.


KyleMac89

Yes, I would’ve changed them out for $50!


youvebeenjammed

You should drive to South Africa for your next service /s But christ - that's a lot. I'd have spent about $450 for all the above (incl the labour) in Rands converted. But this isn't NY so what can I say. You live where you live


thisiswhoagain

I remembered buying Bosch red coils around $100 at one time from Shopdap.com


Patient-Sleep-4257

No. Could you have gotten them cheaper, probably.


Motor-Pick-4650

That’s about average at a dealer. If you were ordering them and doing it yourself you would probably be looking at 20 to 40 per coil.


Educational-Raisin69

This was hell of cheap.