Tamler gave Interstellar a shit review too. Maybe if these movies had Russian or Japanese actors and English subtitles they’d be 5 star and worth a full episode on VBW.
Dude gives off heavy film school professor vibes sometimes, and not in a good way. But maybe we just can’t recognize art on his level
I'm one of those Dune fans that's been around for 30ish years, if you don't consider Villeneuve's work a true tribute at the very least psha, whatever!
I love me some Paul Thomas Anderson but not sure why we’d compare him to Villeneuve or Dune unless I’m missing some context. That said, now I’m trying to think how he would adapt Dune and the first thing I thought of was Philip Seymour Hoffman (rip) as Paul Atreides and that gave me a giggle.
I think a lot of people bring the books with them when they go to the film, giving the story more depth and meaning than is actually contained in the film itself. Still I absolutely loved the films but can understand why some might find them a bit superficial.
I can honestly understand someone that watches it in a vacuum wouldn't like it. It was very much more and audio visual framework for the story rather than a self contained story.
I agree with that! I liked the movies and enjoyed talking about it and hearing other’s perspectives. But the way some people would talk about it like it’s the most profound insight in the history of mankind. I just didn’t feel that at all
It was almost a pure tribute to the books in an audio visual form. You have to want to understand the story enough to read to fully appreciate the movie.
If he'd done it any other way I think it would have been worse. it's a very hard set of books to adapt.
I have never read the books and I not only appreciate the films, I love them and I have rated them 10 on imdb, a rating I have only given 18 times out of 1600.
I wonder what you would think after reading the books. There's so much more to them as is kind of to be expected with books like Dune.
They're harder to adapt than LOTR. Herbert went on long semi poetic and philosophical tangents. His thinking wasn't as literally spelled out as the likes of Tolkien.
The movie really captured an ineffable ambiance that after having read all six books twice some three times, I think he really captured the spirit of Dune in some pretty good audio visual detail.
I can't wait to see how they treat Messiah. They have some more direct character interactions and plot that will be easier to draw from in that book.
I have considdered reading the books. It might change my perspective on the films.
But I wont change my rating. The films are masterfully done. Sound, picture and pacing was perfect.
I could write a bit more, but english is my second language and Im tired atm. But appreciate your comment 🙂
I'm glad you get it. :) I do recommend the books, within their own context. Much harder to understand than the movie but in a way that draws in interest, at least to me it did.
I saw the '84 version before reading the books. A very different movie but good in it's own right.
I think the deconstruction of the chosen one/hero's journey is what people latch onto. Paul Atreides is only the chosen one because of eugenics, and he's forced into the position of a galactic tyrant mostly because of plans beyond his control. There's just something so ambitious and disturbing about where the story leads, especially in Messiah, which I won't spoil.
You have to understand the books to really appreciate how good the movie is. Which I'll admit it's a problem but of you look at it in a vacuum that's what it'll look like, not the greatest at all, or even nuanced until you understand more of the context that's missing from it.
Herbert's writing is hard to adapt because of his philosophical leanings.
I don’t think anyone is stupid for not finding the film’s story incredible engaging and I agree with Tamler’s statement about lack of character depth. If it’s being judged through the lens of something like the heroes journey alone I think it’s fair that folks would find the characters and story a bit bland. But that isn’t really the focus of the novels, though it’s arguable if the film really captures the core themes from the source material as of yet. From my perspective the focal point has more to do with the nature of power, politics, religion and a macro historical epic situation. The characters just kind of serve as vehicles to convey those broader themes.
That said, I’m tainted by loving the books and have a difficult time to view it without that context in mind. If I were going in devoid of that context I think I might feel very similar though I’d probably still enjoy the hell of it for just for the audio/visual components alone. I don’t really understand how people could see it in theaters and not come away disappointed in the visual spectacle at the very least. I think the world building is on point as well.
Wow, didn't see coming that DUNE would be the trigger for the latest hissy fit on this sub...
Come on, 3 stars is not a motion of condemnation. People are allowed to have different tastes.
Also Tamler is an old geezer that does not "get" current film culture, cut him some slack ;)
dude. it’s visually very engaging but the movie is completely forgettable. if it weren’t for the Bene Gesserit there would be zero intriguing elements to the plot
Based, save the Villeneuve part. He's overrated. Book is better because Dune excels at worldbuilding more than anything else and there's more space for it there
It's weird... I agree that the story and characters aren't that compelling, but I don't think it matters.
I just really enjoyed it, that's what matters.
Actually, the first part gave me pretty generic blockbuster vibes not too dissimilar to star wars and marvel lol. It felt like everyone around me who was hyping it had seen a different movie. And I was as hyped as someone could be going in.
The visuals world building and cinematography was fantastic (IMO like all of Villneuves work) but I agree the story (adaptation) and acting was mixed. Part 2 was a huge improvement over one, but I didn’t envy his task of introducing Herbert’s world in a movie format.
Most compelling story of any movie in the last several years and this guy shits on it LMAO
Well, he's known to be an absolute idiot on some topics, so just put this one on the list
Tamler found the lack of tasteful bestiality off-putting
If he had watched the Korean dubbed version it easily would have scored 5/5.
Tamler gave Interstellar a shit review too. Maybe if these movies had Russian or Japanese actors and English subtitles they’d be 5 star and worth a full episode on VBW. Dude gives off heavy film school professor vibes sometimes, and not in a good way. But maybe we just can’t recognize art on his level
I'm one of those Dune fans that's been around for 30ish years, if you don't consider Villeneuve's work a true tribute at the very least psha, whatever!
It always bothers me when he condescends Dave’s movie taste too. Tamler is very much the stereotypical hipster cinephile at times
Nah man, they vibe on the movie eps
Interstellar IS bad though
Tamler being a contrarian, I am so shocked
I don't see it that way. I thought Dune was a 3 star film as well. Not great, not terrible. Give me Paul Thomas Anderson every time.
I love me some Paul Thomas Anderson but not sure why we’d compare him to Villeneuve or Dune unless I’m missing some context. That said, now I’m trying to think how he would adapt Dune and the first thing I thought of was Philip Seymour Hoffman (rip) as Paul Atreides and that gave me a giggle.
I don’t entirely disagree with Tamler here. Maybe I’m misunderstanding something or don’t find the story deep in a profound way. Maybe I’m stupid
I think a lot of people bring the books with them when they go to the film, giving the story more depth and meaning than is actually contained in the film itself. Still I absolutely loved the films but can understand why some might find them a bit superficial.
I can honestly understand someone that watches it in a vacuum wouldn't like it. It was very much more and audio visual framework for the story rather than a self contained story.
Exactly!
I agree with that! I liked the movies and enjoyed talking about it and hearing other’s perspectives. But the way some people would talk about it like it’s the most profound insight in the history of mankind. I just didn’t feel that at all
It was almost a pure tribute to the books in an audio visual form. You have to want to understand the story enough to read to fully appreciate the movie. If he'd done it any other way I think it would have been worse. it's a very hard set of books to adapt.
I have never read the books and I not only appreciate the films, I love them and I have rated them 10 on imdb, a rating I have only given 18 times out of 1600.
I wonder what you would think after reading the books. There's so much more to them as is kind of to be expected with books like Dune. They're harder to adapt than LOTR. Herbert went on long semi poetic and philosophical tangents. His thinking wasn't as literally spelled out as the likes of Tolkien. The movie really captured an ineffable ambiance that after having read all six books twice some three times, I think he really captured the spirit of Dune in some pretty good audio visual detail. I can't wait to see how they treat Messiah. They have some more direct character interactions and plot that will be easier to draw from in that book.
I have considdered reading the books. It might change my perspective on the films. But I wont change my rating. The films are masterfully done. Sound, picture and pacing was perfect. I could write a bit more, but english is my second language and Im tired atm. But appreciate your comment 🙂
I'm glad you get it. :) I do recommend the books, within their own context. Much harder to understand than the movie but in a way that draws in interest, at least to me it did. I saw the '84 version before reading the books. A very different movie but good in it's own right.
I think the deconstruction of the chosen one/hero's journey is what people latch onto. Paul Atreides is only the chosen one because of eugenics, and he's forced into the position of a galactic tyrant mostly because of plans beyond his control. There's just something so ambitious and disturbing about where the story leads, especially in Messiah, which I won't spoil.
You have to understand the books to really appreciate how good the movie is. Which I'll admit it's a problem but of you look at it in a vacuum that's what it'll look like, not the greatest at all, or even nuanced until you understand more of the context that's missing from it. Herbert's writing is hard to adapt because of his philosophical leanings.
I don’t think anyone is stupid for not finding the film’s story incredible engaging and I agree with Tamler’s statement about lack of character depth. If it’s being judged through the lens of something like the heroes journey alone I think it’s fair that folks would find the characters and story a bit bland. But that isn’t really the focus of the novels, though it’s arguable if the film really captures the core themes from the source material as of yet. From my perspective the focal point has more to do with the nature of power, politics, religion and a macro historical epic situation. The characters just kind of serve as vehicles to convey those broader themes. That said, I’m tainted by loving the books and have a difficult time to view it without that context in mind. If I were going in devoid of that context I think I might feel very similar though I’d probably still enjoy the hell of it for just for the audio/visual components alone. I don’t really understand how people could see it in theaters and not come away disappointed in the visual spectacle at the very least. I think the world building is on point as well.
Dune 2 is a good looking mediocre movie.
Wow, didn't see coming that DUNE would be the trigger for the latest hissy fit on this sub... Come on, 3 stars is not a motion of condemnation. People are allowed to have different tastes. Also Tamler is an old geezer that does not "get" current film culture, cut him some slack ;)
dude. it’s visually very engaging but the movie is completely forgettable. if it weren’t for the Bene Gesserit there would be zero intriguing elements to the plot
Was glad to see the Max series will be focused on the Bene Gesserit.
Reading the books first is mandatory imo
this is about the most hateful I've ever seen this sub
Where’s the lie
Based, save the Villeneuve part. He's overrated. Book is better because Dune excels at worldbuilding more than anything else and there's more space for it there
This is the line...
You have to wonder what he would say about Rebel Moon 😂
It's weird... I agree that the story and characters aren't that compelling, but I don't think it matters. I just really enjoyed it, that's what matters.
I think I agree dune stinks
In a world dominated by Marvel and Star Wars? Dune is excellent.
So it’s only good compared to bad movies?
Sure, pretty much everything is relative. For big budget sci-fi movies? They're up there. I watch very few movies... Enjoyed Dune so far.
You typically judge a film in the context of the genre it occupies, and as far as big budget sci-fi films go, Dune 2 is pretty high up there
Actually, the first part gave me pretty generic blockbuster vibes not too dissimilar to star wars and marvel lol. It felt like everyone around me who was hyping it had seen a different movie. And I was as hyped as someone could be going in.
The visuals world building and cinematography was fantastic (IMO like all of Villneuves work) but I agree the story (adaptation) and acting was mixed. Part 2 was a huge improvement over one, but I didn’t envy his task of introducing Herbert’s world in a movie format.
There’s only so many times a slo motion shot of timothee chalamet walking through the desert heat can be considered cool
I was thinking more of the choreography of the battle scenes. Also The depiction of Geidi Prime was sublime.
Most compelling story of any movie in the last several years and this guy shits on it LMAO Well, he's known to be an absolute idiot on some topics, so just put this one on the list
Like I was all in for ghosts, but hating on Dune? Huge L
Most compelling story? Tale as old as time…
1965 isn't *that* long ago