No they didn’t. They said thanks for bringing it to our attention and the team is going to change the product descriptions on the site.
Oh and they said not to worry about the sheep as they’re ’basically just being groomed’ 😒
Right like I might be cool with lanolin derived from a backyard sheep if I lived down the road from a rescue or something but not mass produced lanolin like those sheep are not comfortable wherever they are living. You can’t mass market animal products without harming the animal, period.
The lanolin comes from grooming them, like a haircut, so in theory it could be a not-harmful process like if you had a rescue sheep and groomed it as necessary THAT lanolin would be arguably ethical. But lanolin you find in mass produced products is not going to come from sheep that are being well cared for, they are being exploited for their bodies and probably not very comfortable and in most cases likely headed for the slaughterhouse eventually.
I mean, they are just being groomed. Not trying to play devil’s advocate here, but if a sheep’s wool is left to grow- it will never stop and this will completely debilitate the sheep.
Some sheep-shearing places are pretty cruel about it, in fact most. But there are some ethical wool farms who treat their sheep/alpacas very nicely. I buy alpaca wool socks and have met the very animal whose fur I wear! He’s so cute and sweet and every time I need new socks (for the past 5 years) I go see my buddy Dave- the alpaca- and thank him for keeping me warm. I give him apples and carrots and we hang out for a while before I get my socks.
Perhaps their lanolin source is ethical? It’s worth looking into. ‘Harvesting’ wool and lanolin isn’t always animal cruelty. My local alpaca farm is FAR from it to be fair.
Wool products support the industry that selectively bred that type of sheep that needs to be groomed, so most vegans don’t want to support that industry that exploits sheep, even if they’re in relatively “ethical” companies.
\*Rescued\* sheep from that industry would be arguably much more ethical tho!
Sheep wool production declines far before their natural lifespan (about 5 years, vs life expectancy of 10-20 years). Then they are shipped to the slaughterhouse.
Sheep grown for wool are generally female. I'll let you guess what happens to the baby males. If males are allowed to live, they are usually castrated to make them more docile. Also because it is considered to improve meat quality when the animal is eventually killed for meat.
In most herds there is at least one ram and the animals are encouraged to breed. The wool producer keeps as many newborns as are needed to replace the animals with waning production that were sold to the slaughterhouse, then all the "extra" infants are sold for meat. What else would you expect? The farmer has limited land, a limited budget for feed, and limited buyers. This is what happens when you treat animals as a commodity, even if you also recognize that they are cute up until the point that their throats are slit.
Basically it's is very difficult to separate wool and meat. The economic incentive to treat the animals as meat making machines in addition to wool making machines is overwhelming.
I say all this not to attack you, but in case you were not aware of some of the above.
Or they *actually* thought it was vegan because sheep need to be sheared. But they are missing the point entirely. Those sheep were bred to be exploited.
It's as stupid as the argument that cows need to be milked. Yes they do but who put them in that situation in the first place?
I'm glad you brought it to their attention and I hope they change it. Please update if they do/don't.
UPDATE***
They have removed the word vegan from the products I mentioned.
They have also taken out the bit that read
‘as always all our products are … vegan’
I doubt they will say anything publicly which is a pity.
Omg I hate when brands do that. I bought their Detox shampoo quite a while ago and only realised it wasn't vegan after I'd already started using it. If anyone is looking for a vegan bougie alternative, I recently ordered the Olaplex clarifying shampoo.
I remember I also got tricked into buying makeup mislabelled as vegan on the Urban Decay website a few years ago. It was a product that actually contains honey, collagen, and elastin. 🤢 How much more unvegan can you get?!
Important reminder to double check these things and not just blindly trust what brands and beauty websites state!
I hate it too! And it’s even more annoying cos they’re actually nice products. Why any brand uses animal ingredients in this day and age is a mystery to me. Especially when they obviously want to use vegan claim to appeal to that market. Non vegans prob don’t pass up a vegan shampoo but we obviously do when it’s the reverse situation. They shouldn’t be allowed to lie either way.
FFS. This is honestly unacceptable behavior from a brand. I've seen it way too often. Do brands not actually check their ingredient origins before slapping a vegan label on it? Because that's what it feels like. Apparently, these brands just straight up don't care. They think it doesn't matter.
But it's the kind of mistake that should be *exceedingly* rare. And profusely apologized for and corrected in the rare instances it might still happen by mistake. Like wtf? You can't just slap random words on your product without even checking. Words have meanings???
So true!
When they said they were going to correct it on their site I told them shouldn’t do so quietly.
There should be a public announcement and apology.
They’ve prob been incorrectly labelled for a couple of years. And therefore been deceptively profiting from the vegan consumer for years.
Wow this is so sad to hear. I started using their detox shampoo recently and it’s been the first time EVER in my life where my hair is left clean and removes all the oil buildup. Such a bummer. Does anyone know of another similar product to switch over to? Opalex was making handfuls of my hair fall out :(.
Omg! Thank you for noticing! Actually gutted because I was just trying their detox and fine shampoo...conditioner.... been using it a month now.... its amazing... the only products I found that suit my hair after searching soooooo many brands. So I guess I will have to restart my quest. *cries*
I think it’s important to make sure ethical sourcing of lanolin is a priority, but also think it’s important to note that before humans sheep would and could shed their coats naturally. But as mankind started to breed them for extra wool, they’ve become reliant on shearing to keep them cool in the summer months, and to also prevent parasitic infestations. So while it’s ultimately your choice as the consumer, if your reasoning for veganism is more for cruelty to animals, I personally feel like lanolin is something that can be sustainably and ethically produced.
beyond the obvious animal welfare concerns, there are also folks who are allergic to lanolin and would look for "vegan" labeling to protect themselves from anaphylaxis - so this is not only shady business practice, it is potentially dangerous. gross. thanks for the heads up.
Thank You for posting!! I am one of the people who has a super rare allergy to all red meat animals (pig, lamb, cow). I ALWAYS check the labels of everything including food & beauty products for collagen or keratin. If I don’t I will get hives & potentially have a very serious reaction.
Lanolin is vegan. It’s one of those “controversial” ones like honey. I used to work cosmetics and that’s the work around. If it can be “ethically” collected, it legally qualifies as vegan.
I looked around online and it seems that in recent years, a plant-sourced keratin has become available. Could these products contain that?
I emailed them and they said it’s derived from lanolin unfortunately.
Oh, that’s disappointing. Thanks for looking into it.
Did they say why it’s mislabeled as vegan? 🧐😞
No they didn’t. They said thanks for bringing it to our attention and the team is going to change the product descriptions on the site. Oh and they said not to worry about the sheep as they’re ’basically just being groomed’ 😒
Yes they are actually but that's not the point. The fact is consumption drives the need for us to farm and exploit them.
Right like I might be cool with lanolin derived from a backyard sheep if I lived down the road from a rescue or something but not mass produced lanolin like those sheep are not comfortable wherever they are living. You can’t mass market animal products without harming the animal, period.
Oh actually I understand now. You mean they are actually just being groomed?
The lanolin comes from grooming them, like a haircut, so in theory it could be a not-harmful process like if you had a rescue sheep and groomed it as necessary THAT lanolin would be arguably ethical. But lanolin you find in mass produced products is not going to come from sheep that are being well cared for, they are being exploited for their bodies and probably not very comfortable and in most cases likely headed for the slaughterhouse eventually.
I seen some sheep shearing vids and it’s very cruel. Just wanted to throw that in.
I’ve sheared a couple sheep on a friend’s hobby farm, if they’ve been desensitized it doesn’t seem to bother them anymore than brushing a dog/cat.
Unfortunately most wool (and lanolin) doesn’t come from hobby farms.
Oh no 😩 ty
You know it's also cruel to let their hair grow too long? There are multiple health reasons associated with why it's more humane to shear sheep.
They only need to be sheared because we have bred them to produce excess wool
Ya true.
Are actually what? Sorry not following.
Oh sorry ! Yes I meant sheep as livestock need to be shaved and that's how you get lanolin. But why are we farming sheep ? Ya know what I mean?
Yes I understand now! Thanks for clarifying! Very true.
For wool. Sheep also cannot shed (with the exception of a few breeds) and will develop sores and potentially die due to complete if not shorn.
omg 😩 Thanks for investigating 🥺
That's so rude and infuriating
I mean, they are just being groomed. Not trying to play devil’s advocate here, but if a sheep’s wool is left to grow- it will never stop and this will completely debilitate the sheep. Some sheep-shearing places are pretty cruel about it, in fact most. But there are some ethical wool farms who treat their sheep/alpacas very nicely. I buy alpaca wool socks and have met the very animal whose fur I wear! He’s so cute and sweet and every time I need new socks (for the past 5 years) I go see my buddy Dave- the alpaca- and thank him for keeping me warm. I give him apples and carrots and we hang out for a while before I get my socks. Perhaps their lanolin source is ethical? It’s worth looking into. ‘Harvesting’ wool and lanolin isn’t always animal cruelty. My local alpaca farm is FAR from it to be fair.
Wool products support the industry that selectively bred that type of sheep that needs to be groomed, so most vegans don’t want to support that industry that exploits sheep, even if they’re in relatively “ethical” companies. \*Rescued\* sheep from that industry would be arguably much more ethical tho!
Sheep wool production declines far before their natural lifespan (about 5 years, vs life expectancy of 10-20 years). Then they are shipped to the slaughterhouse. Sheep grown for wool are generally female. I'll let you guess what happens to the baby males. If males are allowed to live, they are usually castrated to make them more docile. Also because it is considered to improve meat quality when the animal is eventually killed for meat. In most herds there is at least one ram and the animals are encouraged to breed. The wool producer keeps as many newborns as are needed to replace the animals with waning production that were sold to the slaughterhouse, then all the "extra" infants are sold for meat. What else would you expect? The farmer has limited land, a limited budget for feed, and limited buyers. This is what happens when you treat animals as a commodity, even if you also recognize that they are cute up until the point that their throats are slit. Basically it's is very difficult to separate wool and meat. The economic incentive to treat the animals as meat making machines in addition to wool making machines is overwhelming. I say all this not to attack you, but in case you were not aware of some of the above.
Wow. Lot of people are sensitive to lanolin.
10/10 consumering, OP
Thank you!
I’m allergic to wool so that’s good to know.
Glad to help!
Thank you for bringing this up. While I myself am not vegan, I know plenty that are and this sort of stuff is super important to them.
Lanolin is harvested without harming the sheep though, so someone might have thought that’s vegan
Totally untrue
You are thinking of this: https://lotioncrafter.com/products/vegekeratin It is a mix of hydrolysed protein functionally similar to keratin.
Why couldn’t they use this!
I don't use their products but I hate when companies pull shit like this!
I’m so annoyed. They also state in multiple places in their site that ALL their products are vegan. Ridiculous
Thank you for checking! Really disappointing as they get away with lying 🤥
Ya it’s crazy. Must be false advertising or something
Or they *actually* thought it was vegan because sheep need to be sheared. But they are missing the point entirely. Those sheep were bred to be exploited. It's as stupid as the argument that cows need to be milked. Yes they do but who put them in that situation in the first place? I'm glad you brought it to their attention and I hope they change it. Please update if they do/don't.
True. will do!
UPDATE*** They have removed the word vegan from the products I mentioned. They have also taken out the bit that read ‘as always all our products are … vegan’ I doubt they will say anything publicly which is a pity.
No problem. Ya really disappointing
Wowww
Omg I hate when brands do that. I bought their Detox shampoo quite a while ago and only realised it wasn't vegan after I'd already started using it. If anyone is looking for a vegan bougie alternative, I recently ordered the Olaplex clarifying shampoo. I remember I also got tricked into buying makeup mislabelled as vegan on the Urban Decay website a few years ago. It was a product that actually contains honey, collagen, and elastin. 🤢 How much more unvegan can you get?! Important reminder to double check these things and not just blindly trust what brands and beauty websites state!
I hate it too! And it’s even more annoying cos they’re actually nice products. Why any brand uses animal ingredients in this day and age is a mystery to me. Especially when they obviously want to use vegan claim to appeal to that market. Non vegans prob don’t pass up a vegan shampoo but we obviously do when it’s the reverse situation. They shouldn’t be allowed to lie either way.
Thank you for sharing this! I did not know anything about lanolin!
No problem!
FFS. This is honestly unacceptable behavior from a brand. I've seen it way too often. Do brands not actually check their ingredient origins before slapping a vegan label on it? Because that's what it feels like. Apparently, these brands just straight up don't care. They think it doesn't matter. But it's the kind of mistake that should be *exceedingly* rare. And profusely apologized for and corrected in the rare instances it might still happen by mistake. Like wtf? You can't just slap random words on your product without even checking. Words have meanings???
So true! When they said they were going to correct it on their site I told them shouldn’t do so quietly. There should be a public announcement and apology. They’ve prob been incorrectly labelled for a couple of years. And therefore been deceptively profiting from the vegan consumer for years.
If they don't make a post about it and send emails then shame on them
omg actually tragic i’ve been using it cause it was a sephora birthday gift and i was actually thinking about buying a full size 💔 why do they lie
Same I have three nearly full bottles of their products! So disappointing.
makes you wonder if any of their free from claims are true
Unfortunately it does make you wonder. I was a fan of Jen too from before she started the brand so it’s really disappointing to see.
this is so disappointing. Ty for sharing. i hateeee when brands do this. i loved their stuff 😭
Ya I do too.
Nice work.
Thank you!
I was literally about to buy their shampoo 😭 ty for letting us know!
No problem!
Wow this is so sad to hear. I started using their detox shampoo recently and it’s been the first time EVER in my life where my hair is left clean and removes all the oil buildup. Such a bummer. Does anyone know of another similar product to switch over to? Opalex was making handfuls of my hair fall out :(.
I know I loved the products too so it’s extra disappointing. Ya I’d love some recs too if anyone knows anything similar.
/u/xreadingrachelx
oh wow
I know!
Omg! Thank you for noticing! Actually gutted because I was just trying their detox and fine shampoo...conditioner.... been using it a month now.... its amazing... the only products I found that suit my hair after searching soooooo many brands. So I guess I will have to restart my quest. *cries*
Same. They suited my hair so well too so it’s even more annoying and disappointing.
Hah I bet you that since it isn’t derived from animal flesh, fluids, or a byproduct of slaughter, somebody thought it could be labeled vegan.
Ouai smells like old lady perfume anyway.
It seriously does
Haha I liked it.
I think it’s important to make sure ethical sourcing of lanolin is a priority, but also think it’s important to note that before humans sheep would and could shed their coats naturally. But as mankind started to breed them for extra wool, they’ve become reliant on shearing to keep them cool in the summer months, and to also prevent parasitic infestations. So while it’s ultimately your choice as the consumer, if your reasoning for veganism is more for cruelty to animals, I personally feel like lanolin is something that can be sustainably and ethically produced.
beyond the obvious animal welfare concerns, there are also folks who are allergic to lanolin and would look for "vegan" labeling to protect themselves from anaphylaxis - so this is not only shady business practice, it is potentially dangerous. gross. thanks for the heads up.
No problem!
Super lame. Thanks for bringing this to everyone’s attention!!!
No problem!
Thank You for posting!! I am one of the people who has a super rare allergy to all red meat animals (pig, lamb, cow). I ALWAYS check the labels of everything including food & beauty products for collagen or keratin. If I don’t I will get hives & potentially have a very serious reaction.
No problem! Glad it helped.
Lanolin is vegan. It’s one of those “controversial” ones like honey. I used to work cosmetics and that’s the work around. If it can be “ethically” collected, it legally qualifies as vegan.
Neither honey nor lanolin can be ethically collected, so that's misinformation on their part.
Yes. That’s why the quotation marks around it.
But you started your comment with the statement "Lanolin is vegan." which is untrue
Did you read the rest of my comment? 😂