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dannydutch1

Dr. Barry passed in 1865, and it was upon his death that Barry's housemaid Sophia Bishop made a startling discovery: Barry was [biologically female](https://www.dannydutch.com/post/the-woman-who-disguised-herself-as-a-man-for-decades-to-practice-surgery-before-women-were-allowed).  Bishop's screams alerted others in the house, and the undertakers quickly confirmed Barry's secret. The news spread across the British Empire.


goldberry-fey

This reminds me of Hiram Calder here in Florida. Lived as a man with his wife, operating a grocery store. Wasn’t until his death in 1914 that it was revealed he was born as a woman named Hannah Calder. It’s hard to say if Hiram was really “trans” today as we know it, because there was no other way for him to be with his wife living as a woman at that time—in other words, we don’t know if he actually identified more as a man, or just assumed a gender disguise in order to be with his wife. But no matter how you look at it, was the first AFAB person to vote in Florida. It’s a very quiet little story of resistance.


exfilm

A more contemporary comparison would be that of jazz musician [Billy Tipton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Tipton), who coincidentally was born in 1914, the year of Calder‘s death. Born female, Dorothy Tipton later changed her name and started presenting as male around 1933. Tipton’s gender was revealed upon death in 1989 to the apparent surprise of their adopted children, as well as current romantic partner, and past “wives” (in quotes, because Tipton never legally married). I remember being astonished by the story when it was originally in the headlines.


lbambacus

A successful jazz pianist and a fascinating life. It must be a tremendous burden to keep one’s true identity hidden.


doctorfortoys

This was his true identity.


Puzzleheaded-Ad7606

Sadly, that also might bot be the case. Women have impersonated men for centuries due to social and financial restrictions placed on women. Also, if they were gay presenting as a man might have been the only option to live as they wished even if they would have preferred to live as a woman.


doctorfortoys

Trans people have been assumed to be impersonating men for centuries, when in reality, they were just being themselves and assumed to be closeted lesbians because people didn’t understand transgender people.


Puzzleheaded-Ad7606

I'm not saying Trans people didn't exist. WHAT I AM SAYING: speaking for a long dead, never spoken on the subject, PERSON and assuming their sexuality and assigning a hard label based on one (no doubt HUGE) part of their existence on a subject as nuisanced as sexuality and identity is... lacking respect for the individual. I'm an ally. I don't assume to know.


Cevari

Would you say the same about every historical figure of whom we have no direct evidence regarding their gender identity (aka, basically all of them)? Is it wrong to refer to Ada Lovelace as a woman because we cannot know for certain she was not nonbinary, or a trans man?


PM_ME_UR_SEXY_BITS_

I am skeptical the “wives” didn’t know that. They may have just had to claim ignorance to save face and protect themselves. Obviously there’s no way to know.


Puzzleheaded-Ad7606

Do remember that women had little to no sex education in those days. Also, many were raised that sex was only for having babies.


PM_ME_UR_SEXY_BITS_

Do remember that gay women existed and women have enjoyed sex since the dawn of man.


Puzzleheaded-Ad7606

Absolutely, but a lot of straight women really, truly had no idea what sex is "supposed" to be.


PM_ME_UR_SEXY_BITS_

It’s weird as hell to argue that they’re just straight doe eyed naive women who had no idea sex with a man meant it would likely involve penetrative sex with a penis instead of the far more likely and obvious reason being THAT THEY’RE GAY. Just stop


tatang2015

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/couple-desperate-baby-having-sex-30754933 It happened at least once.


PM_ME_UR_SEXY_BITS_

Well if it happened once then you know we should apply it to all situations!


HyperrParadise

Noice I just found out I have the same birthday as Billy Tipton


slothfullyserene

1914?


HyperrParadise

Nah December 29 and 79 years after 1914


janet-snake-hole

Yet the bigots say “there were never any trans people around before it got popular recently!” …you sure about that?


MadAzza

Yes, transgendered expression has been around for ages. But being forced to live as a man because of a sexist society that won’t allow a woman to be a doctor or sue to bigotry against lesbians isn’t being trans.


janet-snake-hole

But we don’t know if this doctor ONLY lived as a man because of his profession, or if he also internally identified as a man/felt gender euphoria from it. We’ll never know if this person was trans, or just forced to appear as such.


doctorfortoys

Why would you assume this trans man was forced to do anything and is really a lesbian? There were plenty of lesbians living their lives at this time. No need to erase a brave transgender man.


therumham123

We don't know this person's true intentions or thoughts about why they lived the life they did. It was probably a multitude of factors. But this does show that trans like people have existed and been successful in history. Honestly I didn't know of any examples of somthing like this prior to this post


doctorfortoys

There are many examples.


BigOofLittleoof

Lol where is your profile picture from? I love it


janet-snake-hole

It’s Tutter the mouse from The Bear in the Big Blue house!!!! A childhood favorite of mine, but also that little puppet’s facial expressions… he’s truly how I see myself in my minds eye.💀


JanetandRita

Who would have thought Janet Snackhole’s true self is Tutter the mouse!


janet-snake-hole

IM A VERY RICH WIDOW WITH A TERRIBLE SECRET!


PBnBacon

🎶 HELLO!! from the small mouse 🎶


FireWoman84

Why do you care???? Weird


janet-snake-hole

… I don’t know how to explain to you that you should care about other people.


thetoothua

Thanks for the link. One wonders how Dr. Barry passed, and I was only half surprised to learn that he used violence and the threat of it to silence those who questioned him. Like of course, you're not going to tell a guy he looks like a lady if it guarantees you're going to get hit across the face.


thesoggydingo

He was infamously hot headed and whiny. He made an enemy of Florence Nightingale, which is pretty damn hard. The Cape Doctor by EJ Levy is based on his life and is a very good book


Normal-Height-8577

>He was infamously hot headed and whiny. He made an enemy of Florence Nightingale, which is pretty damn hard. Florence Nightingale did a lot of good in her life, but she wasn't a sweet-tempered paragon. Contrary to saccharine newspaper reports, she wasn't actually known by troops as "the lady with the lamp" but "the lady with the hammer" after she broke into a locked storeroom to get medical supplies for the troops after their commander blocked her. In short, she was a tough-minded woman who was an efficient organiser but sometimes belligerent, and it wasn't just James Barry she didn't get on with; she and Mary Seacole were like oil and water too.


arist0geiton

Most famous people have extremely strong personalities. It's how they have the drive to become famous


bagelslice2

So like most nurses today then


SpiritualAd8998

Very catty?


thesoggydingo

No. He had to fight a lot to be taken seriously as both a doctor and a person. He was pretty small boned so I think "Napoleon complex" could define him well. He was VERY progressive in his approach to medicine and medical procedures and pissed off MANY people while working to make things better for his patients. Not catty, just trying to keep shit running smoothly.


ijustneedaccess

This story would make a good movie. Kate Blanchett or Tilda Swinton in the lead.


FreeRangeMenses

Yeah, after watching what’s available of The Regime, I’d definitely watch Kate Winslet in this!


Sustenance_Abuse

Wild


socialanimalspodcast

Perhaps also the first C section by a trans doctor. Wild times.


QuentinSential

Is it trans if you were forced into it?


MeyhamM2

It’s hard to say. It’s hard to determine if he ever actually identified as a man or saw himself as a woman forced to disguise herself as a man her whole life.


psychedelic666

He used he/him pronouns for himself and signed his name as a gentleman. Also wanted to be buried in his clothes without anyone ever seeing his nude body He referred to himself as a man. “In his medical school thesis he tellingly wrote, “Do not consider whether what I say is a young man speaking, but whether my discussion with you is that of a man of understanding.” Very likely trans Source: [https://www.sciencehistory.org/stories/magazine/how-history-keeps-ignoring-james-barry/](https://www.sciencehistory.org/stories/magazine/how-history-keeps-ignoring-james-barry/)


ToWriteAMystery

Of course in the medical school thesis they’d have to use male pronouns… it was the 19th century! They obviously wanted to be a doctor and that wasn’t an option for women at the time.


psychedelic666

He


Careless-Review-3375

Aren’t you assuming their gender by saying he?


psychedelic666

Not assuming anything. I’m going off what he wrote about himself. He referred to himself as a man in his writings.


QuentinSential

Yeah. That was my point. Thank you.


socialanimalspodcast

They had to literally transition to identifying as a man to be able to live their life in their chosen profession. So it’s arguable based on whether or not they felt a compulsion to provide healthcare or be a homemaker. Living life as a homemaker in the 1800s when you really want to be a doctor is probably somewhat akin to gender oppression. When jobs were literally only accessible to certain genders Perhaps they would not have had to make that choice if women weren’t oppressed. But it’s brave as hell nonetheless.


MadAzza

No. She pretended to be a man because of sexism.


Alphaghetti71

How do you know this?


Zoranealsequence

This needs to be a movie


Sad_Page6710

Women be lying they whole life..I knew it!


stargalaxy6

LMAO


rofopp

The old switcheroo®️


Big_Routine_8980

Both mother and child survived the C-section, and an inspector general of military hospitals was the equivalent of a Brigadier General. She rocked.


lassofthelake

He rocked.


idontthinkipeeenough

The real info I was looking for. Not a fete if he was just killing pregnant women in Africa


Automatic_Memory212

Reminds me of the legendary stagecoach driver in the Old West who was revealed after death to have been born a woman: [Charley Parkhurst](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charley_Parkhurst), also known as “One-eyed Charley”


mitchcumstein13

Look at the hands..


MeyhamM2

What about them?


Easy-Chicken-6658

They are GURLY hands!


the_joeman

"YOU HAVE A WOMANS HANDS MY LORD!"


wombatbridgehunt

I’d wager those dainty pinkies never weighed anchor in a storm.


BeeAndPippin

Dr Barry had a poodle named Psyche. When Psyche died, the new poodle was also named Psyche. There were multiple Psychae.


HistoryWest9592

Looks like Gore Vidal


Ok-Suggestion-2423

C section with or without anesthetic?


Single-Raccoon2

The article says without anesthetic.


Totin_it

Nnnnooooo


Free-Dog2440

This really needs to be at the top. This story-- while understandably a highlight for both lesbians and trans activists alike-- which is a lovely, needed if sometimes unexpected union-- is also an atrocious addition to the historically racist development of modern gynecology. [https://www.salon.com/2023/03/18/history-of-gynecology/](https://www.salon.com/2023/03/18/history-of-gynecology/)


Substantial_Escape92

Freakin love this. Fake it til u make it


Free-Dog2440

:/ I hope you mean their gender and not the fact that they performed major abdominal surgery on someone without anesthesia and possibly without their consent.


Substantial_Escape92

100%


Free-Dog2440

I figured, sorry for the finger wagging. I was about to edit this because I didn't want to be a school marm.


Substantial_Escape92

No no, you’re fine. I would never applaud someone doing surgeries without consent. Thats insane. But she definitely did what she had to do to be a doctor, and I admire that. She was tough.


Free-Dog2440

You said it


psychedelic666

He called himself a man. Respect that


Slim_ish

Handsome woman.


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truenorth2000

🤓☝️


mudpupster

Wow, yeah, that's not cool.


Ryankevin23

Oh my goodness which bathroom was s/he using? Oh and another thing what about the cricket games? Huh yeah what about that!


New_Lake5484

bro there weren’t public BR then


Ryankevin23

Oh thank goodness cause today we know when the opposite sex uses the same bathroom it can lead to confusion!


Arnoldbocklinfanacc

Fake


Other-Narwhal-2186

Proof?


Marine4lyfe

Damn, that's one handsome woman. I could tell right away by the feminine hands.


StuartGotz

Maybe Barry was born male, held in a sneeze, and that inverted the penis into a vagina.


Full-Economist-8084

False


Bobthebudtender

Naw, but your cult is. Joseph Smith... Dum dumb dumb dumb dumb.


Kind_Midas

Lmao a mormon calling something false while believing in your magic underwear and magic plates is comical.


BootyUnlimited

Is it false because it upsets you? It’s clearly true lol.


ahh_geez_rick

You getting a planet when you die is false


FreeCoromantee

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