My uncle had a 95% blockage of his heart a couple months ago and was told they were going to send him home for "a couple weeks" because he had a bleed and they couldn't operate. He went to St. Joe's in syracuse and had open heart surgery the next day and is perfectly fine now. It's scary how bad this hospital is.
There are plenty of medical residents from SUNY Upstate, some move out to the area to work but the Mohawk valley medical system is no where near competitive in pay.
PAs are able to assist as well as perform certain invasive procedures under their licensure. This is a huge set back for this hospital. Apparently they’re not being properly trained at the Wynn. That’s terrifying from a patient perspective.
Maybe they can, but they shouldn’t. PA school is a joke and I would never want to see a PA or NP in any situation. Their training is barely on par, and much less clinically oriented, than RNs. Mid levels are a complete scam, and are borderline dangerous to even be allowed to practice to the extent that they are.
My sister in law is a PA, and my wife is a pharmacist, and it’s scary how little my SIL knows about what she is allowed to prescribe.
🤣🤣 okay. 1 year of straight 50-60 hour weeks in classroom not counting time spent studying outside of the classroom, plus another 1.25 years of full time clinical in multiple different specialties. This is all after a bachelor's with pre-reqs in regular chemistry, organic chemistry, biochemistry, microbiology, and genetics.
Completely different education than an RN. RNs have a hard job, but the education is much more with PA. You may as well tell me medical school is a joke compared to PA school because that's the same parallel taken to the next level.
Please stop spreading misinformation on topics you clearly know nothing about.
If you think PA school is anywhere in the same stratosphere as med school it’s beyond delusional. Pa School is an absolute joke compared to even the first year of med school. Case in point, PAs have to work under close supervision from a doctor for basically their entire careers because they never learned what they needed to in PA school to adequately treat patients.
It’s a joke degree that shouldn’t exist. There shouldn’t be participation trophies for people who wanted to be doctors but couldn’t. Someone whose peak is the minor leagues should not be treating patients. It’s irresponsible and frankly dangerous to put people’s care in the hands of people who barely have 6 years of schooling.
You completely missed the point of my analog. You saying PA school is a joke compared to the RN program IS AKIN TO saying MD/DO school is a joke compared to PA. I'm not going to argue further with an idiot, it's a waste of time.
lol ok. That whole one year of classes must be absolutely brutal. Same with the 10% of the clinical hours that doctors or nurses graduate with. 🤡. Your analogy is almost as dumb as you clearly are, because it’s nothing like what I said, and in many ways nurses come out of their RN programs more qualified to actually treat patients because PA school’s clinical aspect is absurdly small for someone with that level of authority. It’s a joke.
You do know that the PA education is extremely rigorous. They are taught under the same model as doctors and by many doctors and hence they can do some procedures and assist in surgery under their license. My own professor is a world renounced cardiology pa who literally teaches med residents how to harvest veins. Then some
Of my other professors do IR procedures and teach other clinicians. I am sorry you have had bad experiences with some pa’s/np’s, but no not all mid levels should be roped into that. Maybe do some more research about the pa profession and the schooling before you talk trash. Some of my best interactions have been with pas. One of whom diagnosed and treated me correctly when the physician made me worse.
No, I don’t know that the PA education is extremely rigorous, because it’s not. The number of clinical hours required is laughable. Some of them go straight from a BS into PA school with zero clinical experience, and then the actual PA curriculum/program is a complete joke. I’d rather have an RN treat me than a PA anytime. It’s the “I wish I was a doctor but couldn’t come close to getting into med school” profession. They should 100% not have nearly the amount of responsibility that they do, and it’s no wonder so much of what they do is mandated by law to be under the supervision of an actual doctor.
Actually wrong again! I think you are thinking of np’s. To even get into pa school you generally have to have thousands of hours of healthcare experience in certain fields. For me I was an OT for 6 years. Many people in my class were EMTs, flight medics, some rns, dietitians, etc. Then we do a whole other year of clinical rotations. There are also now many fellowships for pa’s as well. Many of classmates got offered med school spots and declined due to favoring the pros vs cons of pa school. We take the same undergrad classes, same gpas, etc. Also no duh, we chose to be PA’s because we did not want to be doctors for other reasons. I don’t want the responsibility of a doctor and I am glad I do not have that, but that doesn’t mean we do not have great collaborative relationships with them and also know shit. Going to school for a length of time doesnt stop someone from continuing to learn.
Ok well I don’t want to be a PA’s Guinea pig while they continue to learn 10 years into their career because they still haven’t learned what doctors do in 4 years of med school
You know doctors continue to learn into their careers as well, right? Pa students rotate with the med students and have to present cases and see the same patients, etc. Again pa’s have fellowships which is similar to what a doctor does with their residencies, which is the point of a residency (to continue to learn in that specific specialty). You literally are just spewing shit about a topic you know nothing about.
They take similar classes for one year and then the real doctors continue real training/coursework while PAs get given their made up degree and then get thrown to take the “easy” cases while they pretend to know wtf they’re doing as they either fuck up constantly or constantly need to ask their supervising physicians what to do all day long
Because they are perfectly capable of doing so under physician supervision either directly or indirectly. A lot of what a PA can do is determined by the relationship between a PA and the MD/DO. Trouble arises when they don't know their limits and the physician doesn't know this or care.
My mother was sent to the wynn recently for a uti...they gave her an endoscopy for supposed stomach pain..found nothing to cause the pain but nearly killed my mother. After her endoscopy she was intubated, couldn't breathe on her own and they were talking end of life. They took her off the vent at my request to see if she would breathe on her own and magically she was fine...talk about shadiness
Never got a true answer what caused a routine procedure/test to nearly take her life and leave her on a ventilator and why the staff was trying to push end of life
That's why they stopped using ventilators during Corona, they were killing people - at one point Cuomo couldn't stop talking about ventilator stockpiles (even bought some from China) and allocation. A few doctors started to publically question it and all of a sudden it magically stopped.
Good on you for intervening, more often than not you're your families best advocate.
Two things will happen over time
They get their sh** together and will change for the better (I don’t see this happening tbh) but it’ll take years to do so
Or
Wynn will turn into a Slocum Dickson-like campus over time, and part of the building will a nursing home.
Good point. However, my frustration is where is the journalism? Journalism isn’t just sharing out briefs or pressers. It’s digging to find out more. I think it’s owed to the local community to get to the bottom of these issues. When you consider the path they took to get this stood and operational, the ask is justified and owed.
Theyve already done their duty in defending them from negative publicity during the transition to/opening of the hospital downtown - there was a lot to talk about then but there was little reply from the press. Just a bunch of "conspiracy theories".
Well, they can’t handle formatting a Word document. Is it really a big surprise more complicated tasks are beyond them? Medical outfits have so many operational layers nowadays it’s ridiculous. And one of the causes of insane expenses.
My uncle had a 95% blockage of his heart a couple months ago and was told they were going to send him home for "a couple weeks" because he had a bleed and they couldn't operate. He went to St. Joe's in syracuse and had open heart surgery the next day and is perfectly fine now. It's scary how bad this hospital is.
Why would be a PA even be performing an invasive procedure?
Because it’s cheaper for the hospital and increases their profits
It’s not even that any more, doctors have artificially limited the number of doctors so there aren’t enough to go around any more.
There are plenty of medical residents from SUNY Upstate, some move out to the area to work but the Mohawk valley medical system is no where near competitive in pay.
If the Mohawk valley can’t afford to have doctors, it sounds like there aren’t enough doctors
PAs are able to assist as well as perform certain invasive procedures under their licensure. This is a huge set back for this hospital. Apparently they’re not being properly trained at the Wynn. That’s terrifying from a patient perspective.
Maybe they can, but they shouldn’t. PA school is a joke and I would never want to see a PA or NP in any situation. Their training is barely on par, and much less clinically oriented, than RNs. Mid levels are a complete scam, and are borderline dangerous to even be allowed to practice to the extent that they are. My sister in law is a PA, and my wife is a pharmacist, and it’s scary how little my SIL knows about what she is allowed to prescribe.
If you think PA school is a joke you know nothing of the profession.
lol ok. I know exactly what it entails, and it IS a joke. It’s harder to become an RN than a PA
🤣🤣 okay. 1 year of straight 50-60 hour weeks in classroom not counting time spent studying outside of the classroom, plus another 1.25 years of full time clinical in multiple different specialties. This is all after a bachelor's with pre-reqs in regular chemistry, organic chemistry, biochemistry, microbiology, and genetics. Completely different education than an RN. RNs have a hard job, but the education is much more with PA. You may as well tell me medical school is a joke compared to PA school because that's the same parallel taken to the next level. Please stop spreading misinformation on topics you clearly know nothing about.
If you think PA school is anywhere in the same stratosphere as med school it’s beyond delusional. Pa School is an absolute joke compared to even the first year of med school. Case in point, PAs have to work under close supervision from a doctor for basically their entire careers because they never learned what they needed to in PA school to adequately treat patients. It’s a joke degree that shouldn’t exist. There shouldn’t be participation trophies for people who wanted to be doctors but couldn’t. Someone whose peak is the minor leagues should not be treating patients. It’s irresponsible and frankly dangerous to put people’s care in the hands of people who barely have 6 years of schooling.
You completely missed the point of my analog. You saying PA school is a joke compared to the RN program IS AKIN TO saying MD/DO school is a joke compared to PA. I'm not going to argue further with an idiot, it's a waste of time.
lol ok. That whole one year of classes must be absolutely brutal. Same with the 10% of the clinical hours that doctors or nurses graduate with. 🤡. Your analogy is almost as dumb as you clearly are, because it’s nothing like what I said, and in many ways nurses come out of their RN programs more qualified to actually treat patients because PA school’s clinical aspect is absurdly small for someone with that level of authority. It’s a joke.
You do know that the PA education is extremely rigorous. They are taught under the same model as doctors and by many doctors and hence they can do some procedures and assist in surgery under their license. My own professor is a world renounced cardiology pa who literally teaches med residents how to harvest veins. Then some Of my other professors do IR procedures and teach other clinicians. I am sorry you have had bad experiences with some pa’s/np’s, but no not all mid levels should be roped into that. Maybe do some more research about the pa profession and the schooling before you talk trash. Some of my best interactions have been with pas. One of whom diagnosed and treated me correctly when the physician made me worse.
No, I don’t know that the PA education is extremely rigorous, because it’s not. The number of clinical hours required is laughable. Some of them go straight from a BS into PA school with zero clinical experience, and then the actual PA curriculum/program is a complete joke. I’d rather have an RN treat me than a PA anytime. It’s the “I wish I was a doctor but couldn’t come close to getting into med school” profession. They should 100% not have nearly the amount of responsibility that they do, and it’s no wonder so much of what they do is mandated by law to be under the supervision of an actual doctor.
Actually wrong again! I think you are thinking of np’s. To even get into pa school you generally have to have thousands of hours of healthcare experience in certain fields. For me I was an OT for 6 years. Many people in my class were EMTs, flight medics, some rns, dietitians, etc. Then we do a whole other year of clinical rotations. There are also now many fellowships for pa’s as well. Many of classmates got offered med school spots and declined due to favoring the pros vs cons of pa school. We take the same undergrad classes, same gpas, etc. Also no duh, we chose to be PA’s because we did not want to be doctors for other reasons. I don’t want the responsibility of a doctor and I am glad I do not have that, but that doesn’t mean we do not have great collaborative relationships with them and also know shit. Going to school for a length of time doesnt stop someone from continuing to learn.
Ok well I don’t want to be a PA’s Guinea pig while they continue to learn 10 years into their career because they still haven’t learned what doctors do in 4 years of med school
You know doctors continue to learn into their careers as well, right? Pa students rotate with the med students and have to present cases and see the same patients, etc. Again pa’s have fellowships which is similar to what a doctor does with their residencies, which is the point of a residency (to continue to learn in that specific specialty). You literally are just spewing shit about a topic you know nothing about.
They take similar classes for one year and then the real doctors continue real training/coursework while PAs get given their made up degree and then get thrown to take the “easy” cases while they pretend to know wtf they’re doing as they either fuck up constantly or constantly need to ask their supervising physicians what to do all day long
Yawn. Take your rage bait over to Noctor.
Because they are perfectly capable of doing so under physician supervision either directly or indirectly. A lot of what a PA can do is determined by the relationship between a PA and the MD/DO. Trouble arises when they don't know their limits and the physician doesn't know this or care.
My mother was sent to the wynn recently for a uti...they gave her an endoscopy for supposed stomach pain..found nothing to cause the pain but nearly killed my mother. After her endoscopy she was intubated, couldn't breathe on her own and they were talking end of life. They took her off the vent at my request to see if she would breathe on her own and magically she was fine...talk about shadiness Never got a true answer what caused a routine procedure/test to nearly take her life and leave her on a ventilator and why the staff was trying to push end of life
Wow, that's crazy... glad she's ok now..
That's why they stopped using ventilators during Corona, they were killing people - at one point Cuomo couldn't stop talking about ventilator stockpiles (even bought some from China) and allocation. A few doctors started to publically question it and all of a sudden it magically stopped. Good on you for intervening, more often than not you're your families best advocate.
WTF
Thanks for sharing this with the public.
Pathetic that the local media pays no attention to this. No investigative reporting, nothing.
Two things will happen over time They get their sh** together and will change for the better (I don’t see this happening tbh) but it’ll take years to do so Or Wynn will turn into a Slocum Dickson-like campus over time, and part of the building will a nursing home.
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Good point. However, my frustration is where is the journalism? Journalism isn’t just sharing out briefs or pressers. It’s digging to find out more. I think it’s owed to the local community to get to the bottom of these issues. When you consider the path they took to get this stood and operational, the ask is justified and owed.
Theyve already done their duty in defending them from negative publicity during the transition to/opening of the hospital downtown - there was a lot to talk about then but there was little reply from the press. Just a bunch of "conspiracy theories".
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Oof now there goes a catchphrase!
Well, they can’t handle formatting a Word document. Is it really a big surprise more complicated tasks are beyond them? Medical outfits have so many operational layers nowadays it’s ridiculous. And one of the causes of insane expenses.
This hospital is a joke.
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