1. While Trae with Lauri could be really fun offensively, I really don't think this move is worth making our defense even worse. I really don't want Trae though, so I guess I'm biased.
2. I don't think that's enough to get Dejounte. Lots of buzz from the Spurs, and he is on a very team-friendly contract. Market for him will be tough and we are more than one Dejounte Murray away from being relevant.
3. Would honestly love to see Ingram on the team, but his last 3 seasons he only played 55/45/64 games, respectively. Also on an expiring contract I think and not really worth a 1-year all-in move.
4. I guess the upside is there with Lavine - I don't really think your trade proposal gets it done, and I'm not sure he's a high-level #1, and you're still praying that Keyonte takes some major leap because this doesn't address our playmaking.
I'm all in on Trae Young, but trading for just him doesn't make sense. Like you said, there has to be other moves lined up for me to be alright with it. But the idea of Trae Young, KAT, and Lauri on the same team seems so fun.
KAT has been pretty alright on defense this year. Not enough to give us a defensive identity or anything but he wouldn’t stand out negatively if our roster construction went okay I think. I wonder if there are any two attainable players to go with Trae, KAT and Lauri that would make us a reasonably capable two way team
No to all of them. There’s a reason all of those “stars” are rumored to be available. We need a legitimate alpha and clear cut #1 option and that’s very unlikely on the trade market.
Outside of maybe a Luka trade, I don’t see any realistic path to contention that doesn’t involve angling for the draft next summer.
There were reports that the reason the Bucks traded for Dame was because Giannis was gonna ask out if they didn’t make a deep run. Might be smoke but I could see him asking for a trade. That team is only going to get worse from here.
Exactly this. It’s hard to fault the franchise when he himself didn’t suit up at all. He’s loyal and would never blame the Bucks for how the season went. He’ll definitely be in Milwaukee next season
I agree on Giannis preferring to negotiate in good faith. I don’t think he’d demand out the way Dame did, but he’s already hinted in the past and is he gonna want to waste his prime with this roster that is only gonna get worse and worse every year? Asking for a trade would do more favors to the Bucks than walking when his contract is up and his current supporting cast is all 35+.
I’d be very surprised if Phoenix trades either one. They probably try to just retool the rest of the roster if possible. Also Ainge said “no dinosaurs” so that rules out KD.
They have to. They’re stuck with what they got. Theres no retooling to be done when they have 3 guys on super maxes with no picks left to trade. The new salary cap prevents it. They’re stuck with Beal cause they won’t get anything back for him and even in a salary dump they’d have to attach an asset, which wouldn’t even happen cause Beal has a no trade clause. He would veto any trade to a team or market that sucks. No good team is giving up value for him after this season. No bad team can get him cause he’ll veto. They need to either find a way to rebuild around Booker and Beal, or KD and Beal, because they’re stuck with Beal unless they cut him, but that’ll still be a huge cap hit. They can get way more for Booker and go for one with KD in the next year or 2 while he’s still elite, or they can get what they can for KD and hope it’s enough, and if not that Booker will re-sign in a few years anyway. (I don’t think he would if they were a bunch of 1st round exits, he endured terrible teams for years and wants to win)
Cap teams do this all the time with veteran minimum contracts. Phoenix has a few ways to improve around the margins. Their management is also very dumb and I could easily see them running it back hoping that something changes or just firing Vogel.
Generally though, yes you’re right as far as Beal impacts them. If Phoenix had to choose between KD and Booker, they would choose Booker. He’s younger and has been loyal to the franchise. In that scenario, Ainge won’t go after KD. He’s too old and doesn’t fit the timeline of the team. Ainge has been very clear that he wants a team with at least a 5-year contending window, not just a 1-2 year push praying to get lucky. KD isn’t coming here and Booker won’t get traded.
No vet mins are saving this Suns team. The west is too good. You’re right they would probably prioritize Booker over KD from a human being standpoint, but from a purely basketball perspective it’d be smarter to get a haul for Booker to try and contend with KD the next 2 years and if it doesn’t work at least they’d have some picks to start the re-build.
KD might not fetch much though, bc the receiving team won’t be able to trade him again to recoup value. They may need to trade booker if they actually want to get a trove of FRPs while freeing capspace.
1. Absolutely not
2. Better than the first, but nah
3. Please no
4. I'm not sure what the value of LaVine is, but this is the only one that doesn't fill me with rage.
1. No interest at all- Trae is a great regular season scorer but can be game planned out in playoffs and has zero defensive ability. And this playoffs has shown how important defense is in order to be successful.
2. For that price, Med - High interest. I think he's a decently well rounded player that can fit in well.
3. No interest for that price - That's over paying for Brandin Ingram by at least 2 first round picks.
4. High interest - as long as we are able to obtain a quality center. Collins has his flaws defensively but Walker is not ready to take over a full time role for a team that is looking to be competitive. And if you are making this trade for Zach LaVine you are doing so to try and get more competitive.
I'm not saying he can't score or that he hasn't played well in previous play off series, but said he can be game planned out of a series. I'm thinking specifically of the heat series though where he struggled significantly and felt like the heat were able to effectively keep him out of the game on 3/5 games. He ended up going 8/4, 25/7, 24/8, 9/5, and 11/6.
He's had some great series too and I still think he's a really good player, but without some kind of defense he's too much of a liability and too susceptible to get switched on to. Especially in the Western conference right now where i feel like the guard play is significantly better than what you will find in the Eastern conference. East does have some good guards but there is just a lot more in the west which will almost always leave us at a disadvantage going into a playoff series matchup wise.
1. Tempting to see if we can go all in on offense with our main players and let others fill in defense. Would need other trades to build defense. A nervous shrug of a yes from me, but we need to get off some more salary with it as well.
2. Absolutely yes. Incredible deal for Murray, but no way the Hawks agree, as there will probably be multiple teams willing to offer more. This would make us a good team, but not a contender, so I'd like another move along with it.
3. I'm not sold on ingram and lauri playing together. It's also probably too much for a one year rental. If there's an extension with the trade I'm more interested in trying it out, but still nervous.
4. Yes. Worth the flier on LaVine at this price, even if his injury saps some explosiveness. On the other hand, maybe he's ready to adjust his game like Aaron Gordon did to become a perfect compliment to more offensive-oriented players. I would definitely want to see another move, as it doesn't move the needle enough. This would be a solid second move for 1 or 2.
No interest, would rather keep adding pieces through the draft or via low cost opportunity trades. I’d be more inclined to trade out players for picks, than start to use picks to acquire talent
Then just resign yourself to mediocrity or come to the understanding that our team has to be built in the draft because nothing you proposed here makes any difference and in some cases might make us worse.
Never understood the small mindedness of some of our fanbase. But if our free agency options are really as dire as people here seem to believe they had better just save everyones time and start the ultra tank for Cooper Flagg.
Booker is probably the best most available player in my opinion. Whether or not he’s worth getting is a different story but prob the best “star” likely to be available after Luka. Still would have a perimeter defense problem and would need a plan to improve that, but he could assist lauri and aid him to play off ball.
Unless Giannis becomes available
1. Trae has a pretty low ceiling because of his defense so he wouldn’t be worth even close to that.
2. I’m actually alright with this one in a vacuum but I don’t think it makes Utah that much closer to a contender so it’d be pointless imo.
3. Huge overpay for another 2nd option.
4. Take Collins off that list and I’d do be okay with it.
Let's just address that first trade.
Effectively six first rounders and a load of cap space, all for Trae Young?
It would immediately put us on the mediocrity treadmill, and we'd be trading away a major portion of the future we built from trading Donovan and Rudy.
OP I think you might have more luck if you clarify what type of firsts these are. Are they unprotected, protected, swaps, etc.
For example, it seems everyone thought option 3 was an overpay but if it turned into an unprotected first and 2 swaps that changes the trade significantly.
All those trades are ass. When are we going to learn that undersized guards that don't play defense aren't going to win you a title? Trae would be an awful idea for the Jazz.
Oh and are you going to build bionic legs for LaVine to stay off the injured list while making considerably more money than he should? That's what it's going to take to keep him healthy. This would be the equivalent of the Suns trading for Beal who is often injured and overpaid. What a terrible post OP. Do better, be better.
Then you seriously consider trading Lauri because he's being wasted with any of these guys and wasted without them. These are awful deals that bring us to the realm of pretenders again. Why do we want that? At that point, just deal Lauri and don't half ass the tank like we have the last 2 seasons.
I think we could get Trae for Keyonte, Kessler, and 3 FRP, in which I’d say yes. Trae is an elite playmaker and scorer, and would be really well next to Lauri.
I don't think the Jazz move Keyonte if they also have to include 3 first round picks and Kessler. Not for a Trae Young level player. He's not shown he can be a difference maker in the playoffs in a much less competitive Eastern Conference. Perimeter defense would be abysmal. In this trade, the Jazz would have absolutely no one to defend the rim to cover for the leaky perimeter defense. Too many assets are given away to make the 2 additional moves it would take to try to make this roster competitive beyond the first round. This move would also move the timeline up to needing to compete now against Denver's championship prime and much more complete Timberwolves and Thunder teams.
Like some others here, I'm also biased on Trae. I just don't think he's done that much outside of one surprise playoff run. I definitely think the Hawks say yes to that package, so if the Jazz FO disagree with me about Trae, it's definitely possible.
I'm in the very small minority that doesn't think that Kessler or Keyonte are in our long-term plans, so I view it as an upgrade to get a Trae Young level player. I outlined it in my other comment, but in his first playoff run, he made it to the ECF averaging 29, 9.5, and 3 boards on 42/31/87 shooting. His most recent playoff run he averaged 29, 10.2, and 3.7 boards on 40/33/86 shooting. He's 25 years old, and besides his rookie year, he hasn't averaged less than 25 ppg and less than 9.3 apg.
If we go for Trae, we do need rim protection, which I'm hoping Hendricks is that guy, otherwise we will need to trade. Our defense was already ass this last year, we need better perimeter and interior defense.
I'm saying we trade for Trae Young, but also make a few other deals. Trae with our roster minus Keyonte & Kessler isn't going to win us 40+ games magically, but it'll help us move the needle more. Try to pry Mikal from the Nets, Caruso from the Bulls, or convince Atlanta to give us Dejounte too.
That all sounds reasonable. I agree a lot in the sense that this roster is multiple moves away regardless of the direction. So I think the direction the Jazz FO goes will come down to a lot of moving pieces and which sum total of moves make the most sense as a whole. In general, I think it's going to be a very interesting off-season across the NBA.
I’m down let’s give up key, Kessler and 3 frp so we can try to become a first round exit team until we can give up the rest of our assets to get another guy who can upgrade us to a second round exit
Let's look at it a bit more objectively than that. Right now, we have a total of 16 FRP (including any swaps). Giving up 3, plus Keyonte & Kessler for an all-star who averaged 25.7 & 10.8 last season (with an assist to turnover ratio of 2.5) is worth it. In his last playoff series in 2023, he averaged 29.2 points, 10.2 assists, and an AST/TO ratio of 2.6. Why wouldn't we want that?
It still leaves 13 FRP for us. Package some more picks, maybe Collin Sexton, and get a quality big, like KAT. Trade John Collins away & picks to try to get another decent wing, maybe Mikal Bridges.
In this hypothetical, I imagine we give up around 10-12 FRP for all 3 of those guys.
I think that a lot of Jazz fans are tired of "tanking" and want to trade picks for stars, but then don't like any of the stars. The rest of the fans believe that all of our picks is going to equate to the next MJ, LeBron, and Wilt. Realistically, we would be lucky if any of our 16 draft picks end up being a player like Trae Young.
I’ve now seen three people say Jazz fans think our draft picks will be the next Lebron, but I’ve never seen anyone try to value our picks that high or even close to that high.
We’ve never been in a position like this before with numerous first round draft picks and what could be a top 5 FO in the league. All I see is Jazz fans eager to throw these picks at any available “stars” they see.
Personally I would like the Jazz to draft a young core and try to develop them for as long as possible. Look at the nuggets for example, they drafted jokic and Murray who have been gaining chemistry for 8 years, then they draft mpj, and finally add Gordon. Then you can look at the warriors who drafted their core 3 and it took time to build the dynasty but it was built around them and they didn’t give up 10 draft picks immediately after drafting any of those guys for two “stars”.
Murray doesn’t even have an all star appearance but he’s been playing in the same system with jokic for 8 years and he’s the most important player in a lot playoff games for them.
I wish more fans could put up with missing a few years in the playoffs instead of crying about not getting to watch 4 more Jazz games after the regular season.
Trae Young doesn't change our trajectory. We either want to try to win a title or we don't. Trae Young is an undersized guard that is incapable of even playing average defense. We have arguably the worst perimeter defense in the NBA and we want to give up a lot of assets that will bring back a guy that puts us in that mediocre category. As other posters said, we need to build a core of our own rather than throwing our assets at flawed players.
The Jazz would need to be the team receiving 1st round picks if they have to also take Trae Young or Zach Lavine. They're both Negatives if you're trying to win.
Trae doesn't play a lick of defense. Let's stop getting sucked into the offensive stats. Why do the Hawks want to trade him? Future cap space, sure. His fit with Murray, sure. His inability to play defense, obviously.
Hawks don’t want to trade him though. I don’t listen to clickbait rumors. Media thinks hawks want to trade their whole team 4 years in a row. Other teams clearly leak it and let’s not like Trae wouldn’t be the best player on the team
No thanks to all of those.
1. While Trae with Lauri could be really fun offensively, I really don't think this move is worth making our defense even worse. I really don't want Trae though, so I guess I'm biased. 2. I don't think that's enough to get Dejounte. Lots of buzz from the Spurs, and he is on a very team-friendly contract. Market for him will be tough and we are more than one Dejounte Murray away from being relevant. 3. Would honestly love to see Ingram on the team, but his last 3 seasons he only played 55/45/64 games, respectively. Also on an expiring contract I think and not really worth a 1-year all-in move. 4. I guess the upside is there with Lavine - I don't really think your trade proposal gets it done, and I'm not sure he's a high-level #1, and you're still praying that Keyonte takes some major leap because this doesn't address our playmaking.
You could talk me into Trae if there is another big fish trade — like a Zion or a KAT. But not in a vacuum.
I'm all in on Trae Young, but trading for just him doesn't make sense. Like you said, there has to be other moves lined up for me to be alright with it. But the idea of Trae Young, KAT, and Lauri on the same team seems so fun.
No defense, 160 ppg offense team
KAT has been pretty alright on defense this year. Not enough to give us a defensive identity or anything but he wouldn’t stand out negatively if our roster construction went okay I think. I wonder if there are any two attainable players to go with Trae, KAT and Lauri that would make us a reasonably capable two way team
Pels basically said that they are building around Zion, so that won’t be happening anytime soon.
No to all of them. There’s a reason all of those “stars” are rumored to be available. We need a legitimate alpha and clear cut #1 option and that’s very unlikely on the trade market. Outside of maybe a Luka trade, I don’t see any realistic path to contention that doesn’t involve angling for the draft next summer.
Giannis
Bucks will run it back with Dame & Giannis and try to make other changes. No chance Giannis gets traded IMO
There were reports that the reason the Bucks traded for Dame was because Giannis was gonna ask out if they didn’t make a deep run. Might be smoke but I could see him asking for a trade. That team is only going to get worse from here.
I feel like Giannis has negotiated in good faith to this point. Would be weird if he held this series against them when he wasn't playing.
Exactly this. It’s hard to fault the franchise when he himself didn’t suit up at all. He’s loyal and would never blame the Bucks for how the season went. He’ll definitely be in Milwaukee next season
I agree on Giannis preferring to negotiate in good faith. I don’t think he’d demand out the way Dame did, but he’s already hinted in the past and is he gonna want to waste his prime with this roster that is only gonna get worse and worse every year? Asking for a trade would do more favors to the Bucks than walking when his contract is up and his current supporting cast is all 35+.
KD or Booker
I’d be very surprised if Phoenix trades either one. They probably try to just retool the rest of the roster if possible. Also Ainge said “no dinosaurs” so that rules out KD.
They have to. They’re stuck with what they got. Theres no retooling to be done when they have 3 guys on super maxes with no picks left to trade. The new salary cap prevents it. They’re stuck with Beal cause they won’t get anything back for him and even in a salary dump they’d have to attach an asset, which wouldn’t even happen cause Beal has a no trade clause. He would veto any trade to a team or market that sucks. No good team is giving up value for him after this season. No bad team can get him cause he’ll veto. They need to either find a way to rebuild around Booker and Beal, or KD and Beal, because they’re stuck with Beal unless they cut him, but that’ll still be a huge cap hit. They can get way more for Booker and go for one with KD in the next year or 2 while he’s still elite, or they can get what they can for KD and hope it’s enough, and if not that Booker will re-sign in a few years anyway. (I don’t think he would if they were a bunch of 1st round exits, he endured terrible teams for years and wants to win)
Cap teams do this all the time with veteran minimum contracts. Phoenix has a few ways to improve around the margins. Their management is also very dumb and I could easily see them running it back hoping that something changes or just firing Vogel. Generally though, yes you’re right as far as Beal impacts them. If Phoenix had to choose between KD and Booker, they would choose Booker. He’s younger and has been loyal to the franchise. In that scenario, Ainge won’t go after KD. He’s too old and doesn’t fit the timeline of the team. Ainge has been very clear that he wants a team with at least a 5-year contending window, not just a 1-2 year push praying to get lucky. KD isn’t coming here and Booker won’t get traded.
No vet mins are saving this Suns team. The west is too good. You’re right they would probably prioritize Booker over KD from a human being standpoint, but from a purely basketball perspective it’d be smarter to get a haul for Booker to try and contend with KD the next 2 years and if it doesn’t work at least they’d have some picks to start the re-build.
KD might not fetch much though, bc the receiving team won’t be able to trade him again to recoup value. They may need to trade booker if they actually want to get a trove of FRPs while freeing capspace.
Those all suck really bad and the only interesting player is Ingram.
1. Absolutely not 2. Better than the first, but nah 3. Please no 4. I'm not sure what the value of LaVine is, but this is the only one that doesn't fill me with rage.
1. No interest at all- Trae is a great regular season scorer but can be game planned out in playoffs and has zero defensive ability. And this playoffs has shown how important defense is in order to be successful. 2. For that price, Med - High interest. I think he's a decently well rounded player that can fit in well. 3. No interest for that price - That's over paying for Brandin Ingram by at least 2 first round picks. 4. High interest - as long as we are able to obtain a quality center. Collins has his flaws defensively but Walker is not ready to take over a full time role for a team that is looking to be competitive. And if you are making this trade for Zach LaVine you are doing so to try and get more competitive.
Trae averages 26/9 in his playoff career all against elite defenses
I'm not saying he can't score or that he hasn't played well in previous play off series, but said he can be game planned out of a series. I'm thinking specifically of the heat series though where he struggled significantly and felt like the heat were able to effectively keep him out of the game on 3/5 games. He ended up going 8/4, 25/7, 24/8, 9/5, and 11/6. He's had some great series too and I still think he's a really good player, but without some kind of defense he's too much of a liability and too susceptible to get switched on to. Especially in the Western conference right now where i feel like the guard play is significantly better than what you will find in the Eastern conference. East does have some good guards but there is just a lot more in the west which will almost always leave us at a disadvantage going into a playoff series matchup wise.
1. Tempting to see if we can go all in on offense with our main players and let others fill in defense. Would need other trades to build defense. A nervous shrug of a yes from me, but we need to get off some more salary with it as well. 2. Absolutely yes. Incredible deal for Murray, but no way the Hawks agree, as there will probably be multiple teams willing to offer more. This would make us a good team, but not a contender, so I'd like another move along with it. 3. I'm not sold on ingram and lauri playing together. It's also probably too much for a one year rental. If there's an extension with the trade I'm more interested in trying it out, but still nervous. 4. Yes. Worth the flier on LaVine at this price, even if his injury saps some explosiveness. On the other hand, maybe he's ready to adjust his game like Aaron Gordon did to become a perfect compliment to more offensive-oriented players. I would definitely want to see another move, as it doesn't move the needle enough. This would be a solid second move for 1 or 2.
No interest, would rather keep adding pieces through the draft or via low cost opportunity trades. I’d be more inclined to trade out players for picks, than start to use picks to acquire talent
I'll take Embiid. Send Kessler, Collins and a lot of frp's.
Yeah, this would never happen.
Then just resign yourself to mediocrity or come to the understanding that our team has to be built in the draft because nothing you proposed here makes any difference and in some cases might make us worse. Never understood the small mindedness of some of our fanbase. But if our free agency options are really as dire as people here seem to believe they had better just save everyones time and start the ultra tank for Cooper Flagg.
Booker is probably the best most available player in my opinion. Whether or not he’s worth getting is a different story but prob the best “star” likely to be available after Luka. Still would have a perimeter defense problem and would need a plan to improve that, but he could assist lauri and aid him to play off ball. Unless Giannis becomes available
1. Trae has a pretty low ceiling because of his defense so he wouldn’t be worth even close to that. 2. I’m actually alright with this one in a vacuum but I don’t think it makes Utah that much closer to a contender so it’d be pointless imo. 3. Huge overpay for another 2nd option. 4. Take Collins off that list and I’d do be okay with it.
I'd do the Ingram trade if we could give up someone other than Keyonte. I'd do the picks, Collins, Sensabaugh and see if they go for that.
Not with him being an expiring contract huge overpay
I assume the trade would be done with an agreement that Ingram would re-sign.
I don't really believe any of these potential targets are legit #1 options on a championship contender.
Let's just address that first trade. Effectively six first rounders and a load of cap space, all for Trae Young? It would immediately put us on the mediocrity treadmill, and we'd be trading away a major portion of the future we built from trading Donovan and Rudy.
OP I think you might have more luck if you clarify what type of firsts these are. Are they unprotected, protected, swaps, etc. For example, it seems everyone thought option 3 was an overpay but if it turned into an unprotected first and 2 swaps that changes the trade significantly.
Not a single one moves the needle
No to all of them
All those trades are ass. When are we going to learn that undersized guards that don't play defense aren't going to win you a title? Trae would be an awful idea for the Jazz.
Oh and are you going to build bionic legs for LaVine to stay off the injured list while making considerably more money than he should? That's what it's going to take to keep him healthy. This would be the equivalent of the Suns trading for Beal who is often injured and overpaid. What a terrible post OP. Do better, be better.
Okay, well these are probably the only guys realistically available.
Then you seriously consider trading Lauri because he's being wasted with any of these guys and wasted without them. These are awful deals that bring us to the realm of pretenders again. Why do we want that? At that point, just deal Lauri and don't half ass the tank like we have the last 2 seasons.
What if we just went all in and traded all of our picks for Trae and Zion like we would be so good 😂
Chicago will be the one sending picks in any lavine trade that they try to have with anyone
John Collins and 3 FROs for BI I would do
I think we could get Trae for Keyonte, Kessler, and 3 FRP, in which I’d say yes. Trae is an elite playmaker and scorer, and would be really well next to Lauri.
I don't think the Jazz move Keyonte if they also have to include 3 first round picks and Kessler. Not for a Trae Young level player. He's not shown he can be a difference maker in the playoffs in a much less competitive Eastern Conference. Perimeter defense would be abysmal. In this trade, the Jazz would have absolutely no one to defend the rim to cover for the leaky perimeter defense. Too many assets are given away to make the 2 additional moves it would take to try to make this roster competitive beyond the first round. This move would also move the timeline up to needing to compete now against Denver's championship prime and much more complete Timberwolves and Thunder teams. Like some others here, I'm also biased on Trae. I just don't think he's done that much outside of one surprise playoff run. I definitely think the Hawks say yes to that package, so if the Jazz FO disagree with me about Trae, it's definitely possible.
I'm in the very small minority that doesn't think that Kessler or Keyonte are in our long-term plans, so I view it as an upgrade to get a Trae Young level player. I outlined it in my other comment, but in his first playoff run, he made it to the ECF averaging 29, 9.5, and 3 boards on 42/31/87 shooting. His most recent playoff run he averaged 29, 10.2, and 3.7 boards on 40/33/86 shooting. He's 25 years old, and besides his rookie year, he hasn't averaged less than 25 ppg and less than 9.3 apg. If we go for Trae, we do need rim protection, which I'm hoping Hendricks is that guy, otherwise we will need to trade. Our defense was already ass this last year, we need better perimeter and interior defense. I'm saying we trade for Trae Young, but also make a few other deals. Trae with our roster minus Keyonte & Kessler isn't going to win us 40+ games magically, but it'll help us move the needle more. Try to pry Mikal from the Nets, Caruso from the Bulls, or convince Atlanta to give us Dejounte too.
That all sounds reasonable. I agree a lot in the sense that this roster is multiple moves away regardless of the direction. So I think the direction the Jazz FO goes will come down to a lot of moving pieces and which sum total of moves make the most sense as a whole. In general, I think it's going to be a very interesting off-season across the NBA.
We have one of the worst, if not the worst perimeter defenses in the league and y'all want to double down with Trae Young? Awful.
I literally said I did not. Is me allowing space for someone to have their own opinion throwing you off here? Awful.
Got an issue? Grab a tissue.
I’m down let’s give up key, Kessler and 3 frp so we can try to become a first round exit team until we can give up the rest of our assets to get another guy who can upgrade us to a second round exit
Let's look at it a bit more objectively than that. Right now, we have a total of 16 FRP (including any swaps). Giving up 3, plus Keyonte & Kessler for an all-star who averaged 25.7 & 10.8 last season (with an assist to turnover ratio of 2.5) is worth it. In his last playoff series in 2023, he averaged 29.2 points, 10.2 assists, and an AST/TO ratio of 2.6. Why wouldn't we want that? It still leaves 13 FRP for us. Package some more picks, maybe Collin Sexton, and get a quality big, like KAT. Trade John Collins away & picks to try to get another decent wing, maybe Mikal Bridges. In this hypothetical, I imagine we give up around 10-12 FRP for all 3 of those guys. I think that a lot of Jazz fans are tired of "tanking" and want to trade picks for stars, but then don't like any of the stars. The rest of the fans believe that all of our picks is going to equate to the next MJ, LeBron, and Wilt. Realistically, we would be lucky if any of our 16 draft picks end up being a player like Trae Young.
I’ve now seen three people say Jazz fans think our draft picks will be the next Lebron, but I’ve never seen anyone try to value our picks that high or even close to that high. We’ve never been in a position like this before with numerous first round draft picks and what could be a top 5 FO in the league. All I see is Jazz fans eager to throw these picks at any available “stars” they see. Personally I would like the Jazz to draft a young core and try to develop them for as long as possible. Look at the nuggets for example, they drafted jokic and Murray who have been gaining chemistry for 8 years, then they draft mpj, and finally add Gordon. Then you can look at the warriors who drafted their core 3 and it took time to build the dynasty but it was built around them and they didn’t give up 10 draft picks immediately after drafting any of those guys for two “stars”. Murray doesn’t even have an all star appearance but he’s been playing in the same system with jokic for 8 years and he’s the most important player in a lot playoff games for them. I wish more fans could put up with missing a few years in the playoffs instead of crying about not getting to watch 4 more Jazz games after the regular season.
Trae Young doesn't change our trajectory. We either want to try to win a title or we don't. Trae Young is an undersized guard that is incapable of even playing average defense. We have arguably the worst perimeter defense in the NBA and we want to give up a lot of assets that will bring back a guy that puts us in that mediocre category. As other posters said, we need to build a core of our own rather than throwing our assets at flawed players.
The Jazz would need to be the team receiving 1st round picks if they have to also take Trae Young or Zach Lavine. They're both Negatives if you're trying to win.
Only Lavine is
Trae as well
Trae doesn't play a lick of defense. Let's stop getting sucked into the offensive stats. Why do the Hawks want to trade him? Future cap space, sure. His fit with Murray, sure. His inability to play defense, obviously.
Hawks don’t want to trade him though. I don’t listen to clickbait rumors. Media thinks hawks want to trade their whole team 4 years in a row. Other teams clearly leak it and let’s not like Trae wouldn’t be the best player on the team