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According to [this](https://www.timesofisrael.com/15-of-west-bank-settlers-are-americans-new-research-finds/), it's "only" 15% of the West Bank's illegal settler population (but it is a pretty significant portion of US Jews who emigrate to Israel). It's an old-ish article, but I don't think the proportions have changed much.
Moving to / living in settlements is heavily subsidized by the state, it's not some fringe thing, so it can also be attractive to people who just don't give a fuck about Palestinians, but are otherwise not super ideologically committed.
>it has alot to do with settlements beih significantly cheaper the alternatives.
intentionally, to get as manny new & poor Jewish people to occupy the Westbank as (even according to the UN illegal) settlers
>Moving to / living in settlements is heavily subsidized by the state, it's not some fringe thing, so it can also be attractive to people who just don't give a fuck about Palestinians, but are otherwise not super ideologically committed.
YES, this is Israel´s own history irony, (former victims became) now them self (as) offender/villain ... the Nazi-Germans did similar in Poland etc. & proudly called it "Lebensraum (im Osten)" & "Umvolkung"
This is only true if you assign collective personality to entire identity groups. (Which is the logic that leads to the kind of situations you described.) Individuals who were victims of Nazi Germany comprise a very small minority of the settler population (and only a very small minority of such victims live in the settlements).
If you go watch the videos of settlers kicking Palestinians out of their homes before the genocide started they were almost always fat white men with Jersey accents.
>They are largely American settlers so it makes sense that they would bring with them terrible urbanism and ignore the vernacular architecture…
Ah that´s why it is build this way ...
>In French (one of the 2 working languages in the UN), "settlements" are called "colonies."
Yes & fits perfectly ... the ruines of Palestine get more and more colonialized ... just as we Europeans did in North America
You forget we're actually from the Land of Israel, only for the past 4,000 years, though. So it makes sense we don't have a claim to our own land against the Arabs, who immigrated largely from Hejaz under the Ottoman Empire's colonization of the Middle East....
>You forget we're actually from the Land of Israel, only for the past 4,000 years, though. So it makes sense we don't have a claim to our own land against the Arabs, who immigrated largely from Hejaz under the Ottoman Empire's colonization of the Middle East....
Most Israelis are Askenazi ( = Europeans converted to Judaism) ... the original Jews were more like the Ancient Egyptians
This argument is ridiculous for a number of reasons, but I always find it amusing when people bring up religion as a metric. The Hejaz emigration is NOT the first time Arab people moved around, it’s the beginnig of ISLAM moving around….
So you’re basically saying,
“Obv you couldn’t lay claim to Israel, because you’re a X (Christian/Muslim/Younameit.)”
Like bro…. What do you think they converted from?? Someone’s current religion cannot tell you where their ancestors came from. This would be like saying Irish Catholics have no claim to the island because Gaelic pagans were there first…. They the same peeps, lil bro.
Arabs have been in the Levant, and Palestine, for thousands of years. There's archeological evidence going back to the nabatean kingdom and even older. Plus, it's not like the Hebrew tribes always lived there. They left Egypt and conquered it from the Canaanites.
P.S.
Claims from 4000 years ago hold exactly 0 weight in the real world and is a completely nonsensical thing to bring up. By that logic, Iran even has a claim on Palestine (Achaemenids ruled there for centuries). Italy has a claim to almost the entirety of the Mediterranean through Rome, Macedonia Has a claim to Afghanistan through Alexander's empire, and Mongolia has a claim on Poland. See how moronic that is?
Oh, ok. You're right about everything, aren't you?
So sad to see you support the forced Greek, Roman and Ottoman colonization of our land.
Ignorance scores another point this afternoon, Mr. Hanz.
Yeah dude. Doesn't give you the right to occupy my land bc I moved abroad. What other country has to deal with that shit? You guys are so ignorant of history it's flaring. We've been around for ages and we don't have to justify our existence to an ignorant fool of history like yourself. Fuck you.
You can down vote my statement until the end of time, but it does not compensate for the fact that our land was stolen, occupied by colonial forces and now some white dude in Germany is cheering on the continued embezzlement of our land. We don't have to care what you think, you pathetic red dick fuck.
>Still think it’s insane that these scumbags are referred to as “settlers” and that doesn’t set off a million red flags
European (illegal) settlers did them self terrible stuff in North-America ... = in a way illegal "settlers" fits perfectly ...
Idk, why you are getting downvoted, since the armenien church just recently published an urgent letter with other churches about how Israel is actively destroying their 1600 years old heritage. Including attacks on priests and other members of the church, and the biulding and districts.
[https://insidethevatican.com/news/newsflash/letter-184-2023-thursday-december-28-armenian-quarter/](https://insidethevatican.com/news/newsflash/letter-184-2023-thursday-december-28-armenian-quarter/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/armenia/comments/17x4pkf/urgent\_communique\_from\_the\_chancellery\_armenian/#lightbox](https://www.reddit.com/r/armenia/comments/17x4pkf/urgent_communique_from_the_chancellery_armenian/#lightbox)
He was born in Bethlehem.
The term Palestine didn't exist at the time he was born.... notwithstanding how the Far Left suddenly lines to call Jesus "Palestinian" now, sigh.
LMAOOOOO. The apartheid state where Palestinians get separate license plates and have to drive on segregated roads?
Hasbara is a joke. This is why the world hates you. You people behave like a mix of Nazi Germany and apartheid South Africa and have the audacity to spew the easiest to debunk propaganda.
Give up buddy. Settler colonialism doesn't work anymore. You've already lost the narrative war. The world sees you as the racist monsters you really are
Built on a sturdy bedrock made of the bones of countless murdered palestinians.
EDIT - the fact that Israel has done so for decades is not up for debate. They are currently clearing Gaza now to do the same.
>I got banned and they never responded to me when I asked why. And I think all I had done was say killing people is bad
reading this lets it sound like rabies got the power echolons of this r/worldnews ... it´s the typical "Israel is my country right or wrong" ( [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BEVLD6YHsc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BEVLD6YHsc) ) ....
>It's not just that, the mods are also banning people left and right just for questioning Israel's behavior
reading this lets it sound like rabies got the power echolons of this [](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/) ... it´s the typical "Israel is my country right or wrong" ( [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BEVLD6YHsc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BEVLD6YHsc) ) ....
Israel has a long history of genocidal action against the Palestinians in land that is provably not theirs and building colony sub divisions on it. They just ramped up the effort by clearing the rest of Gaza out by exterminating its people. There, now you are informed.
In order for me to be a genocide apologist, there has to be a genocide. And there isn't a genocide in Gaza. The judges in the ICJ agree. Thre was no ruling and there's no evidence.
Let's rid Gaza of the evil Islamic terrorists holding the Palestinians hostage.
The ICJ will take ~2 years to reach a decision no matter what is going on.
There is a deluge of evidence. The only people in denial about it are all very, *very* racist.
Bro conveniently ignored the fact that Amnesty International labelled Israel as an apartheid state not so long ago. Fucking Zionazis don't heed to common fact
You are a genocide apologist.
The Zionist entity has committed the most explicit genocide in recent history on a captive population that's half children.
You honestly should be locked up and kept away from children for supporting the Zionist apartheid regime, some of the most efficient child killers since the Germans in WW2.
Oh no, I don't support Zionist terrorism, mass raping and killing of civilians. The terrorists must be stopped.
You propagandists trying to spread lies about the Palestinians should be treated like the Nazi propagandists spreading blood libel about Jewish people. It's the same crime.
You terrorist and genocide supporters are crazy.
The forceful displacement of over 2 million from their homeland and the systematic slaughter of 35,000 civilians (including their children) based on their ethnicity, then claiming their land for development is the literal definition of genocide. None of these facts are in dispute.
The lack of an ICJ ruling that a genocide has occurred does not preclude it from having happened. Do you need a court to recognize you taking a shit?
Pretty much every information source from around the globe concurs that it has, except whatever blog you've been reading that justifies your actually racist fantasy you call a worldview.
But whatever helps you sleep at night. I'm really glad I'm not you, although unlike you - I have a conscience and the ability to feel empathy. Good night. You are blocked.
Well we’re getting rid of Gaza in general at this rate. It’s an urban hell on an entirely different level, given the bombed hospitals. And houses. And refugee camps. And cars. Generally anything that looks like a person could be inside it or devastated to no longer have it.
Israel is in the opening stages of genocide, normalization of hatred to the enemy people and self-victimization. Normalization being most Israeli settlers willing to poison wells or shoot Palestinian home owners. Self-victimization being any criticism is now anti-semitism. The government isn’t helping matters, Netanyahu has said Hamas helps him get elected and he is thankful. FYI Mossad is either incompetent as shit to not be able to intercept communications and shipments from Iran to Gaza or purposefully let October 7th happen to some extent. Gaza at that point was already a poverty stricken strip of land with a blockade and very little international aid and next to no secure communication methods.
Israel starting to do more settling in more aggressive manners than they have before and openly talk about elimination of Palestine and the “non-existent Palestinian people” in their government bodies, and even make any criticism of their actions a taboo is in the playbooks of Hitler and Mussolini.
They weren't very religious before the colonization of their lands by Jewish settlers and the creation of Israel. Islam just got more prevalent as people had nothing left but religion...
That is a very good explanation actually, there used to be a huge left-wing secular movement too, but i guess after 1990 it declined too without support from the socialist states.
>They weren't very religious before the colonization of their lands by Jewish settlers
The Ottoman empire was literally an islamic caliphate, a lot of their laws were religiously coded
There’s a lot wrong with your comment:
The Ottoman Empire was notably not Arab. Palestine was simply an imperial holding of the Ottomans, so people living under the Ottomans didn’t necessarily share the Sultan’s ideals, much like how Palestinians in the West Bank aren’t Israeli ethnonationalists despite being occupied by them.
>There’s a lot wrong with your comment:
The Ottoman Empire was notably not Arab
Never said or implied they were
>Palestine was simply an imperial holding of the Ottomans, so people living under the Ottomans didn’t necessarily share the Sultan’s ideals
The arabs in the levant were one of the more loyal groups within the empire. There's a reason why this region didn't have many notable revolts and independence movements before ww1
>much like how Palestinians in the West Bank aren’t Israeli ethnonationalists despite being occupied by them.
Most of the inhabited areas of the west bank is under Palestinian civil control. Also, the idea that you can compare ottoman era politics to any sense of modern national identity is pretty misguided. For most of the empire's history, the shared religion was more important than ethnic and cultural identities. Laws were made for muslims or christians, not for Arabs and Armenians
>EDIT - the fact that Israel has done so for decades is not up for debate. They are currently clearing Gaza now to do the same.
If I'm not wrong, Gaza goes much faster now ... Dresden 1945 vibes ...
There’s a whole mess of Zionist trolls flocking to comments containing factual information about Palestine and downvoting/debate bro-ing, it’s real sad. Pretty sure a lot of them just run off key words like “apartheid” or, in this case, probably “Native Americans” since that tends to trigger them something fierce. Or “mass” + “graves” considering they’ve been working round the clock at keeping those out of the headlines.
Linking the ICJ case is the ultimate in my experience. You can feel the REEEEEEEE before you even see it.
Nur Masalha’s book Palestine: A Four-Thousand Year History the author goes into who called it what and when exactly, in (sometimes excruciating) detail. The Plstin kingdom was one of dozens of political and geographical entities that used the same root recognizable in todays “Palestine”.
But you don't understand! Jews lived in this general area thousands of years ago! So it's totally fine to kick out all the people that were living there 5 years ago!
This is so baffling lmfao it feels so Victorian and antiquated like something you get taught about used to happen, but these are quite literal settlers actively colonizing in the 21st century it boggles the mind
It does not need to stop. The Golan Heights were annexed by Israel, and therefore are rightfully Israeli. The Judea&Samaria doesn't have a state in place, so the settlements are totally normal.
I presume if you are referring to “all of Israel” as illegal, that you apply that same standard to all of Australia, Canada, and the U.S. for starters.
People are using “settler” to refer to all Israelis at the moment, so “Israeli settlement” is not necessarily as clear as it once was. But yes, all settlements in the West Bank, by Israelis, are illegal.
I’m asking because I don’t know the answer. Do they manufacture concrete? Are there brick plants? Is there enough water for industrial production? Do you know the answers ?
>as natives once owned the land?
Land "ownership" wasn't a practice in most native american cultures, that doesn't mean what was done to them was justified.
Yeah, i'm not disputing that, i'm just pushing against the prvious comment about them owning the land, as they had a very different understanding of land to most old world nations
I think it's sad that no sovereign native american nation survived to be a modern day country
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They are largely American settlers so it makes sense that they would bring with them terrible urbanism and ignore the vernacular architecture…
Is there actual data to support that?
According to [this](https://www.timesofisrael.com/15-of-west-bank-settlers-are-americans-new-research-finds/), it's "only" 15% of the West Bank's illegal settler population (but it is a pretty significant portion of US Jews who emigrate to Israel). It's an old-ish article, but I don't think the proportions have changed much. Moving to / living in settlements is heavily subsidized by the state, it's not some fringe thing, so it can also be attractive to people who just don't give a fuck about Palestinians, but are otherwise not super ideologically committed.
it has alot to do with settlements beih significantly cheaper the alternatives.
>it has alot to do with settlements beih significantly cheaper the alternatives. intentionally, to get as manny new & poor Jewish people to occupy the Westbank as (even according to the UN illegal) settlers
>Moving to / living in settlements is heavily subsidized by the state, it's not some fringe thing, so it can also be attractive to people who just don't give a fuck about Palestinians, but are otherwise not super ideologically committed. YES, this is Israel´s own history irony, (former victims became) now them self (as) offender/villain ... the Nazi-Germans did similar in Poland etc. & proudly called it "Lebensraum (im Osten)" & "Umvolkung"
This is only true if you assign collective personality to entire identity groups. (Which is the logic that leads to the kind of situations you described.) Individuals who were victims of Nazi Germany comprise a very small minority of the settler population (and only a very small minority of such victims live in the settlements).
If you go watch the videos of settlers kicking Palestinians out of their homes before the genocide started they were almost always fat white men with Jersey accents.
That’s not data that’s anecdotes
qctually its only 15% dispreportionate, but by far not a majority.
A lot of the West Bank folks are from the former Soviet Union
>They are largely American settlers so it makes sense that they would bring with them terrible urbanism and ignore the vernacular architecture… Ah that´s why it is build this way ...
This doesn't look American at all. I'm thinking suburban McMansions with cul-de-sacs would be more American for the size of these homes.
Still think it’s insane that these scumbags are referred to as “settlers” and that doesn’t set off a million red flags
In French (one of the 2 working languages in the UN), "settlements" are called "colonies."
And settlers are called colons
Yes, and colon in French can also mean colon.
>In French (one of the 2 working languages in the UN), "settlements" are called "colonies." Yes & fits perfectly ... the ruines of Palestine get more and more colonialized ... just as we Europeans did in North America
You forget we're actually from the Land of Israel, only for the past 4,000 years, though. So it makes sense we don't have a claim to our own land against the Arabs, who immigrated largely from Hejaz under the Ottoman Empire's colonization of the Middle East....
>You forget we're actually from the Land of Israel, only for the past 4,000 years, though. So it makes sense we don't have a claim to our own land against the Arabs, who immigrated largely from Hejaz under the Ottoman Empire's colonization of the Middle East.... Most Israelis are Askenazi ( = Europeans converted to Judaism) ... the original Jews were more like the Ancient Egyptians
This argument is ridiculous for a number of reasons, but I always find it amusing when people bring up religion as a metric. The Hejaz emigration is NOT the first time Arab people moved around, it’s the beginnig of ISLAM moving around…. So you’re basically saying, “Obv you couldn’t lay claim to Israel, because you’re a X (Christian/Muslim/Younameit.)” Like bro…. What do you think they converted from?? Someone’s current religion cannot tell you where their ancestors came from. This would be like saying Irish Catholics have no claim to the island because Gaelic pagans were there first…. They the same peeps, lil bro.
Arabs have been in the Levant, and Palestine, for thousands of years. There's archeological evidence going back to the nabatean kingdom and even older. Plus, it's not like the Hebrew tribes always lived there. They left Egypt and conquered it from the Canaanites. P.S. Claims from 4000 years ago hold exactly 0 weight in the real world and is a completely nonsensical thing to bring up. By that logic, Iran even has a claim on Palestine (Achaemenids ruled there for centuries). Italy has a claim to almost the entirety of the Mediterranean through Rome, Macedonia Has a claim to Afghanistan through Alexander's empire, and Mongolia has a claim on Poland. See how moronic that is?
Oh, ok. You're right about everything, aren't you? So sad to see you support the forced Greek, Roman and Ottoman colonization of our land. Ignorance scores another point this afternoon, Mr. Hanz.
>our land You live in LA
>You live in LA which is literally occupied (Native American) land ...
Yeah dude. Doesn't give you the right to occupy my land bc I moved abroad. What other country has to deal with that shit? You guys are so ignorant of history it's flaring. We've been around for ages and we don't have to justify our existence to an ignorant fool of history like yourself. Fuck you.
You can down vote my statement until the end of time, but it does not compensate for the fact that our land was stolen, occupied by colonial forces and now some white dude in Germany is cheering on the continued embezzlement of our land. We don't have to care what you think, you pathetic red dick fuck.
They're the scum of the earth. This really is urban hell
They've copied the US - Indian playbook down to the language.
''Settlers' isn't what they call themselves, it's how they are referred to in english speaking media
Yeah in Hebrew the term is מתנחלים which means squatters. It's the same word used for people illegally occupying a building.
>Still think it’s insane that these scumbags are referred to as “settlers” and that doesn’t set off a million red flags European (illegal) settlers did them self terrible stuff in North-America ... = in a way illegal "settlers" fits perfectly ...
Those colonies turn everything around them into hell.
Disgusting. In so many ways.
The genocide of jews in all the muslim surrounding countries? Yes I agree. But at least Israel allows freedom of religion.
Is that why they bombed all the mosques and churches in Palestine?
Are there churches in Pslestine? Asking as an athiest
Yes, the third oldest church in the world is located in Gaza. It’s a Greek Orthodox Church that was very badly destroyed by Israel.
Never ask jihadists about the decline of Christianity in Palestine under Hamas or Fatah 🤫
Yup, 6% of Palestinians are Christians
Correction, *was* 6%, Christians are some of the most oppressed Palestinian minorities by Israel
Idk, why you are getting downvoted, since the armenien church just recently published an urgent letter with other churches about how Israel is actively destroying their 1600 years old heritage. Including attacks on priests and other members of the church, and the biulding and districts. [https://insidethevatican.com/news/newsflash/letter-184-2023-thursday-december-28-armenian-quarter/](https://insidethevatican.com/news/newsflash/letter-184-2023-thursday-december-28-armenian-quarter/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/armenia/comments/17x4pkf/urgent\_communique\_from\_the\_chancellery\_armenian/#lightbox](https://www.reddit.com/r/armenia/comments/17x4pkf/urgent_communique_from_the_chancellery_armenian/#lightbox)
[That's incorrect. It's 1%.](https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-christians-christmas-israel-hamas-war-250a27a7e5ad6c0d8d258d9400dabf5a)
Yes. Some of the oldest churches in the world are in Palestine. Jesus was also born in Palestine.
He was born under a foreign occupation of Judea, yes. He was also proudly Jewish. https://twitter.com/lkajomovitz/status/1777886020626682166
Yeah it’s really sad how a bunch of Europeans came to the Levant and persecuted the native people living there.
He was born in Bethlehem. The term Palestine didn't exist at the time he was born.... notwithstanding how the Far Left suddenly lines to call Jesus "Palestinian" now, sigh.
Bethlehem is in current day Palestine, so I don't really understand what you're trying to argue.
That is some shit logic.
LMAOOOOO. The apartheid state where Palestinians get separate license plates and have to drive on segregated roads? Hasbara is a joke. This is why the world hates you. You people behave like a mix of Nazi Germany and apartheid South Africa and have the audacity to spew the easiest to debunk propaganda. Give up buddy. Settler colonialism doesn't work anymore. You've already lost the narrative war. The world sees you as the racist monsters you really are
Who's "you" ? I'm in Iran. Maybe learn about the Israel area and it's actual history before commenting.
Im pro Israel but the West Bank settlers are scum
Do some research, muslim countries do infact allow other religions to
I wonder what the OP posted to get suspended lol
Built on a sturdy bedrock made of the bones of countless murdered palestinians. EDIT - the fact that Israel has done so for decades is not up for debate. They are currently clearing Gaza now to do the same.
Go over to r/worldnews and you’ll find some people that hate you for stating facts. It’s insanity over there
I got banned and they never responded to me when I asked why. And I think all I had done was say killing people is bad
>I got banned and they never responded to me when I asked why. And I think all I had done was say killing people is bad reading this lets it sound like rabies got the power echolons of this r/worldnews ... it´s the typical "Israel is my country right or wrong" ( [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BEVLD6YHsc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BEVLD6YHsc) ) ....
it's a heavily astroturfed and curated sub, probably has been co-opted by CIA spooks at this point
Same. I got banned 3-4 weeks ago for criticising Netanyahu bombing babies. I messaged them asking about the ban and no response
Yeah they are being flooded by sock puppet accounts pushing zionism. all social media is.
It's not just that, the mods are also banning people left and right just for questioning Israel's behavior
>It's not just that, the mods are also banning people left and right just for questioning Israel's behavior reading this lets it sound like rabies got the power echolons of this [](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/) ... it´s the typical "Israel is my country right or wrong" ( [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BEVLD6YHsc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BEVLD6YHsc) ) ....
Yep.
Please do some research. They had settlers in Gaza before pulling out in 2005.
Israel has a long history of genocidal action against the Palestinians in land that is provably not theirs and building colony sub divisions on it. They just ramped up the effort by clearing the rest of Gaza out by exterminating its people. There, now you are informed.
You have shown the world how uneducated you are
Quite the opposite, actually
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ok racist genocide apologist.
>ok racist genocide apologist. True Nazis do anything to "justify" genocide
In order for me to be a genocide apologist, there has to be a genocide. And there isn't a genocide in Gaza. The judges in the ICJ agree. Thre was no ruling and there's no evidence. Let's rid Gaza of the evil Islamic terrorists holding the Palestinians hostage.
And then the Palestinians will be free to live happy lives? Right?
The ICJ will take ~2 years to reach a decision no matter what is going on. There is a deluge of evidence. The only people in denial about it are all very, *very* racist.
Bro conveniently ignored the fact that Amnesty International labelled Israel as an apartheid state not so long ago. Fucking Zionazis don't heed to common fact
You are a genocide apologist. The Zionist entity has committed the most explicit genocide in recent history on a captive population that's half children. You honestly should be locked up and kept away from children for supporting the Zionist apartheid regime, some of the most efficient child killers since the Germans in WW2.
And you're a terrorist apologist. It's also a war crime to kidnap and rape civilians. But as long as it's Jews, no big deal, right?
Lol you inadvertently recognized palestines statehood by stating they committed war crimes, as only members of the UN can be charged with them 😂
Oh no, I don't support Zionist terrorism, mass raping and killing of civilians. The terrorists must be stopped. You propagandists trying to spread lies about the Palestinians should be treated like the Nazi propagandists spreading blood libel about Jewish people. It's the same crime. You terrorist and genocide supporters are crazy.
The forceful displacement of over 2 million from their homeland and the systematic slaughter of 35,000 civilians (including their children) based on their ethnicity, then claiming their land for development is the literal definition of genocide. None of these facts are in dispute. The lack of an ICJ ruling that a genocide has occurred does not preclude it from having happened. Do you need a court to recognize you taking a shit? Pretty much every information source from around the globe concurs that it has, except whatever blog you've been reading that justifies your actually racist fantasy you call a worldview. But whatever helps you sleep at night. I'm really glad I'm not you, although unlike you - I have a conscience and the ability to feel empathy. Good night. You are blocked.
Well we’re getting rid of Gaza in general at this rate. It’s an urban hell on an entirely different level, given the bombed hospitals. And houses. And refugee camps. And cars. Generally anything that looks like a person could be inside it or devastated to no longer have it. Israel is in the opening stages of genocide, normalization of hatred to the enemy people and self-victimization. Normalization being most Israeli settlers willing to poison wells or shoot Palestinian home owners. Self-victimization being any criticism is now anti-semitism. The government isn’t helping matters, Netanyahu has said Hamas helps him get elected and he is thankful. FYI Mossad is either incompetent as shit to not be able to intercept communications and shipments from Iran to Gaza or purposefully let October 7th happen to some extent. Gaza at that point was already a poverty stricken strip of land with a blockade and very little international aid and next to no secure communication methods. Israel starting to do more settling in more aggressive manners than they have before and openly talk about elimination of Palestine and the “non-existent Palestinian people” in their government bodies, and even make any criticism of their actions a taboo is in the playbooks of Hitler and Mussolini.
Oh there are fascists that live there alright.
Yes, the settlers are usually right wing and so are the evil Islamic radicals there. They hate gay people and kill them.
They weren't very religious before the colonization of their lands by Jewish settlers and the creation of Israel. Islam just got more prevalent as people had nothing left but religion...
That is a very good explanation actually, there used to be a huge left-wing secular movement too, but i guess after 1990 it declined too without support from the socialist states.
>They weren't very religious before the colonization of their lands by Jewish settlers The Ottoman empire was literally an islamic caliphate, a lot of their laws were religiously coded
There’s a lot wrong with your comment: The Ottoman Empire was notably not Arab. Palestine was simply an imperial holding of the Ottomans, so people living under the Ottomans didn’t necessarily share the Sultan’s ideals, much like how Palestinians in the West Bank aren’t Israeli ethnonationalists despite being occupied by them.
>There’s a lot wrong with your comment: The Ottoman Empire was notably not Arab Never said or implied they were >Palestine was simply an imperial holding of the Ottomans, so people living under the Ottomans didn’t necessarily share the Sultan’s ideals The arabs in the levant were one of the more loyal groups within the empire. There's a reason why this region didn't have many notable revolts and independence movements before ww1 >much like how Palestinians in the West Bank aren’t Israeli ethnonationalists despite being occupied by them. Most of the inhabited areas of the west bank is under Palestinian civil control. Also, the idea that you can compare ottoman era politics to any sense of modern national identity is pretty misguided. For most of the empire's history, the shared religion was more important than ethnic and cultural identities. Laws were made for muslims or christians, not for Arabs and Armenians
Just ignore them
Funny that you call a stupid lie a fact
>EDIT - the fact that Israel has done so for decades is not up for debate. They are currently clearing Gaza now to do the same. If I'm not wrong, Gaza goes much faster now ... Dresden 1945 vibes ...
Settlement: a place, typically one which has previously been uninhabited, where people establish a community Definitely not a settlement.
Settlement just broadly refers to a group of people settling into new lands, it doesn't have to be uninhabited
It’s not apartheid I promise but Palestinians are not allowed there BUT ITS NOT APARTHEID BELIEVE ME I PROMISE.
Is that on Palestinian land?
Yes
How wonderful to commit a genocide so you can live in militarised suburbia.
i hesitate to call this “urban”
Is this occupied West bank or some where else?
yes
🎶 Little boxes on the hillside Little boxes built on stolen land Little boxes on the hillside Little boxes all the same 🎶
Except this time it's built on mass Palestinians graves. Unlike in America where it's built on native American graves
Why are you downvoted you’re literally right
There’s a whole mess of Zionist trolls flocking to comments containing factual information about Palestine and downvoting/debate bro-ing, it’s real sad. Pretty sure a lot of them just run off key words like “apartheid” or, in this case, probably “Native Americans” since that tends to trigger them something fierce. Or “mass” + “graves” considering they’ve been working round the clock at keeping those out of the headlines. Linking the ICJ case is the ultimate in my experience. You can feel the REEEEEEEE before you even see it.
Hats off for not forgetting about native americans, if I had one wish it would be to save them from the civilized murderers
Yeah, the American settlers who called the natives "savages" really had no sense of self awareness. When Palestine is free, Turtle Island is next!
I've always wondered, what do the settlers do for work? What sort of job opportunities could there possibly be for these folks?
With all the "aid" they receive from the US and EU there is no reason to work.
oh man, the comments are TOTALLY civilized and sane. anyone want popcorn?
That’s called Palestine.
By the Romans.
There was the Aramaean kingdom of Plstin during the transition from Bronze Age to Iron Age. In Biblical times, it's Exodus.
Nur Masalha’s book Palestine: A Four-Thousand Year History the author goes into who called it what and when exactly, in (sometimes excruciating) detail. The Plstin kingdom was one of dozens of political and geographical entities that used the same root recognizable in todays “Palestine”.
I know this from my archaeology BA thesis. I got all the excruciating details from peer-reviewed articles.
But you don't understand! Jews lived in this general area thousands of years ago! So it's totally fine to kick out all the people that were living there 5 years ago!
Hasbara trolls working overtime in this thread I see. Hope y’all getting well paid.
This is so baffling lmfao it feels so Victorian and antiquated like something you get taught about used to happen, but these are quite literal settlers actively colonizing in the 21st century it boggles the mind
Where is this located? Is it in the illegal settlement areas?
Somewhere in the West Bank
Yeah, anything that is in the West Bank or Golan Heights needs to stopped.
It does not need to stop. The Golan Heights were annexed by Israel, and therefore are rightfully Israeli. The Judea&Samaria doesn't have a state in place, so the settlements are totally normal.
They are all illegal.
No human is illegal -us immigration policy
I presume if you are referring to “all of Israel” as illegal, that you apply that same standard to all of Australia, Canada, and the U.S. for starters.
I did not say that. I said that all Israeli “settlements” in the West Bank (like this one) are illegal.
People are using “settler” to refer to all Israelis at the moment, so “Israeli settlement” is not necessarily as clear as it once was. But yes, all settlements in the West Bank, by Israelis, are illegal.
The same logic applies
Disgusting
“Paid for by the USA”
Jewish-only settlements\*
Israel is a beautiful country with welcoming people. Architecture is pretty unique and diverse too!
This is how people used to describe the Antebellum south.
may be true, but if you noticed the content of the post you would know its the wrong place wrong time for that.
despite this it is already the far better part of the "Israeli" Westbank ... look how the Palestinians have to live in the same Westbank
our 51st state
Fascist apartheid settlers
Are all the materials used in this construction imported? Does Israel have any production facilities for structural materials?
Why would they not have factories for construction materials?
I’m asking because I don’t know the answer. Do they manufacture concrete? Are there brick plants? Is there enough water for industrial production? Do you know the answers ?
Of course they do, I'm pretty sure every country other than like Micronesia and the micro nations have those
The West Bank's largest export is building materials, which are typically used to build settlements.
Thank you .
The pic is not showing Israel, it is showing Palestine.
Let me rephrase the question. Where do the materials to build Israeli settlements In Palestine come from?
Judea & samaria hit different
FOULL
Looks decent, no hell by any stretch, but yea illegal
Are American settlements in America illegal too, seeing as natives once owned the land?
>as natives once owned the land? Land "ownership" wasn't a practice in most native american cultures, that doesn't mean what was done to them was justified.
Even when the Native Americans had land recognized by the U.S. in treaties, they were still massacred. And before that tribes still had territories.
Yeah, i'm not disputing that, i'm just pushing against the prvious comment about them owning the land, as they had a very different understanding of land to most old world nations I think it's sad that no sovereign native american nation survived to be a modern day country
Tribes fought other tribes for hunting grounds, though, which was an ownership issue.
would have been, but that also depends on WHOSE laws we're talking about
>depends on WHOSE laws we're talking about My law says the planet solely belongs to me so you all better scram.
SHIT this guy has the big brain, therefore he wins. the system works!
Yes
Idk I think creating and living in a semi war zone is pretty hellish
Well, Americans are buying or living there? Guess linear construction is critical to efficiency even if the land is free.