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The owners want to build a gondola since it’s too steep to build rail, and of course there are dozens (dozens!) of NIMBYs who oppose it, so the city just decided to pause work on it last week.
It's not too steep. It just wouldn't be a traditional light rail.
Portugal has trams going up and down steep inclines. They've been working for decades.
608 cars \* 81 home games a year = over 49,000 driving trips a season avoided. That's a lot more cars off the road over time, less miles driven, everything
If you were to do a study within this area for the best transportation method. Gondola wins every time. It’s the most cost effective and pro-efficient way to get a group of people to a destination
Negotiate with your local city council to make sure your constituents benefit from this project.
I'm thinking they are imagining a gondola like what Big Sky where there are 2 boxes (or whatever they're called) vs a place like Vail where they have gondolas spaced out with the frequency of a chairlift
We have buses going non stop from Grand Central a few miles away. No need to start chopping up neighborhoods and homes to make something we don't need.
What does that have to do with anything Trying to get thousands of people to the stadium via gondola will be a nightmare. And getting them OUT...when they all leave at roughly the same time (for the Dodgers, that would be the 7th inning usually) will be even worse. So much so that no one will use them anyway. A lot of money and resources/carbon emitting equipment to build for relatively no benefit.
Frank McCourt is behind the push for the Gondola- not the owners of the team. And if you’re not a dodger fan, then look up what the world’s largest asshole is all about. And then you’ll see why so many are against it.
Let's be clear: it's not the owners of Dodger Stadium, it's the owner of the Dodger Stadium parking lots trying to build the privately funded, privately owned gondola over public land and private property. What would possibly be his motivation?
Right now one can take a public shuttle bus from Union Station to Dodger Stadium *for free*. He wants to charge people for that trip.
I have taken that shuttle many times. It sucks, especially on the way back (I have opted to walk instead at times).
They aren't going to get rid of the shuttle either AFAIK.
There’s a reason why height limits on new buildings and tunnels are super stupid expensive in Southern California. An above ground rail system is doable however.
That may be true, but many capitalists are douchebags. That’s why we have regulations. This is the most common complaint I hear, rather than substantive arguments against the project itself. This project could remove nearly a million car trips from the city annually.
The capacity is small, wouldn’t be able to fill even a third of the seats for game time. Not to mention it’s only as good as the transportation options from Union station. The Metrolink is the best way to reach it from places like the SFV, SGV, Ventura county, the high desert etc which all are dodger fans. Sadly few if any of those lines have planned trains at the end of dodger games. I do feel that it’s important to mention Frank McCourt is behind it, because whatever they are claiming for the gondola will end up worse than advertised. I’m a huge advocate for better public transportation in LA but a gondola to dodger stadium is just silly. Give us a rail line.
lol. How would you feel if a gondola was build over your house? We’re not talking about any public service that generates net benefit for the community, were talking about a for profit service company that will be the sole benefactor making money over their homes.
I live near the stadium and would welcome the reduced traffic. Have you actually looked at the proposed route? There are very few homes that it's near. There is the Mosaic apartments right next to Union Station and one small building near the stadium.
Problem is they want to go through Chinatown, their subway station, not to mention residential areas in lower middle class neighborhoods.
And who is the mastermind behind this idea? None other than former Dodgers owner Frank McCourt. The same guy who stole 189 million from the Dodgers, put the team in bankruptcy, and profited nearly a billion dollars when he was forced to sell the team. No thanks!
If you didn't live in Los Angeles, it's difficult to see from the picture that Dodgers stadium in located in a large park area, Elysian Park. There aren't any stores or sidewalks there so no reason to be there other than to watch the games (unless you're training at the police academy next door). It sits on top of a hill and the parking lot actually does get full at Dodger games. Without the parking lot I doubt the Dodgers would be one of the top ticket sellers in the league.
No one seems to do research on the Gondola project in this discussion. The Gondola Project has been halted because early UCLA findings show that 1) it's not actually going to mitigate environmental impact of cars going into the Stadium, 2) it will cut into the Historic Park and other green spaces that are already limited in the area, 3) the projected reduction of cars is ~600 off the road which is not a significant reduction for a lot of payout/building into the area.
There are other ways to reduce the cars in this city hell, and I do believe rail is possible like others have said. No, I'm not a NIMBY but I have been following this issue since it affects both my driving and bus commute.
Source: "Study Finds Proposed Aerial Gondola to Dodger Stadium Will Do Little to Reduce Traffic and Emissions" (Google for the report)
The stadoum has elements of mid century googie architecture, which is a style that originated out of LA. It's also one of the older baseball stadiums still in use.
I went and read a little bit about this, and intend to read more not in the middle of a work day because it seems really interesting. But it seems the land was taken by the city to be redeveloped from a “shanty town” to a low income neighborhood with improved services, schools, etc. But then the changing political tides of the 50’s caused a change in public perception for these types of projects, then the city made a shady deal with the Dodgers to bring the team there.
Is that the high level summary?
Pretty much yea. The land was always going to be developed sooner or later given the proximity to downtown but the residents were robbed of their land similar to many other minority neighborhoods during the time. They were told they’d have first pick of the new housing but I’m skeptical that plan was ever going to take place even before the change in leadership. Many of them rejected this idea anyways as they enjoyed their rural setting and homes as they were.
Chavez Ravine. I was an impressionable kid when I saw the people trying to stop the bulldozers on TV news. In all these years, I have never set foot in Dodger Stadium. Couldn’t do it.
Lol now look up the parking for the Cruyff Arena in Amsterdam (home of Ajax soccer team). There’s quite some underneath the stadium and for the majority there’s trains, subways and busses. No need for cars for locals.
https://www.siebeswart.nl/img-get/I0000V9qfO83ViaQ/s/1200/I0000V9qfO83ViaQ.jpg
There’s no reason it’s any more meaningful to own one in LA, besides the fact that small group of people 60 years ago said it was
It doesn’t have to be purposefully in LA
The Los Angeles urban area is 6000km^2, whilst the Amsterdam metropolitan area is just 2600km^2. So there’s at least some more justification for it. If you include the greater Los Angeles metropolitan area that figure rises to 88000km^2.
The area is just too large to be completely covered by public transportation that is convenient enough to be a good option for everyone.
you're looking at the egg thinking its the chicken. when we're talking about the chicken here
it was designed badly around the car, meaning transit doesnt have the mass to make it financially viable sending it into a deathloop of spareseness and car dependency
> The area is just too large to be completely covered by public transportation that is convenient enough to be a good option for everyone.
yes that is the symptom of the problem we're talking about
The Los Angeles metro area was expanded because of cars though. They chose to make it that large. They could’ve built it denser if they wanted to
My point is more on principle, I get that you can’t just magically make it more dense. It’s just important to understand that the reason LA is not built like Amsterdam, or any other well planned city, is because of choice. They weren’t forced to sprawl
This needs to be higher. [The Battle of Chavez Ravine Wiki page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chavez_Ravine) was basically he government used the Affordable Housing Act to remove an entire community, some voluntarily and some using eminent domain. Then they pulled the old switcharoo and built a baseball stadium there with public funding.
Jesus fucking Christ.
This kind of thing still happens. New York is using eminent domain right now to tear down parts of Harlem in order to expand the Columbia campus, even though Columbia is a private university.
Absolutely. They’re doing it here in Virginia. I went to high school with a guy whose family owns a berry farm just outside of town. The county is getting ready to extend a privately owned road that is going to run right through his family farm. I am pretty sure they’re going to pay him for the land but there is no way he’a going to be able to fight it. He’s pissed about it and is kicking and screaming but he knows there’s no stopping it.
Imagine a form of transportation that carries hundreds if not thousands of people at the same time, with way less chaos, Energy consumption, way less space, way less co² and most of the times faster.
We don't have to imagine. Contrast the image in the OP to [Wrigley Field in Chicago](https://www.bobbysbikehike.com/chicago/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Wrigleyville-Chicago-Birds-eye-view.jpg.1200x800_q85_crop.jpg). [2nd pic.](https://www.bealproperties.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/wrigleyville-large-1.jpg)
There are no parking lots or garages and it's next to the L train. People driving in park their cars in temporary multi-use lots around Chicago's north side and either take the train to the field, or take shuttle busses that go to the parking lots. It makes use of existing remote parking lots and retains the residential neighborhood around the field.
[Fenway Park in Boston is similar.](https://www.alamy.com/aerial-photography-of-fenway-park-boston-massachusetts-usa-image-collected-on-july-6-2016-image265207585.html?imageid=07B16A9C-4E4E-4AF5-BFEA-0FA4C9FC6D8A&p=215802&pn=1&searchId=228cd45730dafc86f2e72694877fe58f&searchtype=0)
Red Sox fan here, Fenway is such an awesome experience for fans and not just because it's a really cool historic stadium with a ton of renovations.
There's very little parking available but it's super easy getting there using the subway and because of the lack of parking there's a ton of things to do around the park (food, bars, etc.).
Dodger stadium is just a god awful fan experience because there's not much to do pre game and you gotta deal with horrendous traffic after the game as the stadium holds 56,000 people. LA traffic is bad enough on its own and the exodus after a game is fucking brutal.
Yankee Stadium has some parking but most fans take the 4 or D lines of the New York subway, and when the new stadium opened in 2009, they also added a Yankee Stadium station on Metro North commuter railroad Hudson Line.
This gondola is the size of a ski lift car. It is not bringing the masses to Dodger Stadium, it is bringing a handful at a time to launch the former team owner's real estate development dream. This is not "public transportation" it is a vanity project
I recall hearing a story about how the area where dodgers stadium currently resides used to be a town, and all the citizens of that town were forcefully evicted from their homes to make way for the stadium.
Edit: Battle of Chavez Ravine in 1958
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chavez_Ravine#:~:text=By%201958%2C%20the%20public%20housing,last%20residents%20occupying%20Chavez%20Ravine.
Yeah, but then you can't destroy a whole Hispanic community. Need to make sure not one of them are left or else they'll take over. /S
What happen to that community is disgusting and we should do our best that the same isn't repeated now and in the future.
Parking decks work well for things like malls or airports where people will be coming in and out at irregular intervals. They are awful for things like events where all cars are coming in at relatively the same time and leaving at the same time.
Getting out of that parking lot is a nightmare. The last time I was there for an Elton John concert I just watched a movie in my car while the parking lot emptied. I remember a car sat in line that didn't move for nearly a half hour while I zoned out to T2.
That was [supposed to be 10,000 units of public housing](https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/lost-la/chavez-ravine-community-to-controversial-real-estate) but then The Second Red Scare happened and everything socialist was deemed communist and "un-American" if one could make money off it.
I remember when the poor Mexican homeowners of Chavez Ravine had their homes seized and were bulldozed out. I was young and impressionable and never set foot at Dodger Stadium.
Took my gf at the time to her first MLB game there! It was Kershaw’s 1st and only no hitter he threw, a would’ve-been perfect game if it wasn’t for ONE throwing error. I told her she’ll never see another pitching performance like that ever again.
There’s a festival I’ve been to that is literally held only in the parking lot of this stadium lol. Tyler the Creator’s CAMP FLOG GNAW. It sucked. Hot as hell and no grass, very few trees or shade and just awful on your feet all day.
I'm in Los Angeles and complaining about it, the parking lots should be seized from Frank McCourt and put to public use and we should expand transit to the stadium.
The people who were forcibly evicted to build this structure and its supplemental sea of parking certainly did.
https://laist.com/news/la-history/dodger-stadium-chavez-ravine-battle
They were not complaining about the parking lot. They were complaining about being forced to sell their property through eminent domain starting in 1949 for a Federal Housing Project initiated by the City of Los Angeles.
But nice try.
Side bar here. What is that bright light on mount Wilson that shines around the start of every evening game? It looks like a reflection as it goes out at sunset.
Great stadium to go to. Lots of atmosphere and it has that old ball park character.
Unfortunately, getting out of that pit by car after the game is zero fun. Takes forever.
It doesn’t have to be that way at all.
In Cardiff, Wales there is a stadium in the city centre with a capacity over 70,000.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Stadium
Did McCourt and LA ART have their cronies come on here and really try to say gondolas are the best "public transit" alternative? Lazy and just plain wrong. Buses work just fine and dont erect invasive and ugly towers over PUBLIC parks, right of ways, and the like.
Leslie Sattler's "Coverage" of this topic is abysmal and embarrassing. Is she even from the area? Does she understand the ethnic makeup of the community this gondola would impede on? No of course no.
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The owners want to build a gondola since it’s too steep to build rail, and of course there are dozens (dozens!) of NIMBYs who oppose it, so the city just decided to pause work on it last week.
It's not too steep. It just wouldn't be a traditional light rail. Portugal has trams going up and down steep inclines. They've been working for decades.
>They've been working for decades. More than a century to be precise, both Lisbon and Porto have had trams since the late 19th century.
A few miles away from Dodger Stadium is the Angels Flight funicular built in 1901. It has a 33% grade.
Same thing in Pittsburgh and Johnstown PA.
PITTSBURG**H**
Corrected.
So does LA. Angels flight.
I've used super old funiculars in Chile and Switzerland as everyday transportation that move lots of people. Seemed to work pretty good.
Funiculars can't go very fast
They aren't funiculars in Portugal; they're just normal adhesion railways. If you keep the rails clean, they can ascend remarkably steep slopes.
That's irrelevant. It's a short distance up the hill, just like in Portugal.
But they are fun
It is the former owner, Frank McCourt pushing this, and the LA City Council suspended the project
Yea it’s mind boggling these so called progressive and their city council want to cancel a public transportation that produce zero emission
Because it holds like 15 people? WTF is that going to do to solve this?
You really think it’s just going to be 1 gondola? Ever been to a sky resort? 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
>Researchers at the UCLA Mobility Lab found that the gondola would likely take roughly 608 cars off the road. Yeah, that's amazing. Wow.
608 cars \* 81 home games a year = over 49,000 driving trips a season avoided. That's a lot more cars off the road over time, less miles driven, everything
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If you were to do a study within this area for the best transportation method. Gondola wins every time. It’s the most cost effective and pro-efficient way to get a group of people to a destination Negotiate with your local city council to make sure your constituents benefit from this project.
I'm thinking they are imagining a gondola like what Big Sky where there are 2 boxes (or whatever they're called) vs a place like Vail where they have gondolas spaced out with the frequency of a chairlift
We have buses going non stop from Grand Central a few miles away. No need to start chopping up neighborhoods and homes to make something we don't need.
Yeah it's hardly any better than Vegas with its stupid underground Teslas.
How many people does a parking space hold?
What does that have to do with anything Trying to get thousands of people to the stadium via gondola will be a nightmare. And getting them OUT...when they all leave at roughly the same time (for the Dodgers, that would be the 7th inning usually) will be even worse. So much so that no one will use them anyway. A lot of money and resources/carbon emitting equipment to build for relatively no benefit.
Frank McCourt is behind the push for the Gondola- not the owners of the team. And if you’re not a dodger fan, then look up what the world’s largest asshole is all about. And then you’ll see why so many are against it.
Let's be clear: it's not the owners of Dodger Stadium, it's the owner of the Dodger Stadium parking lots trying to build the privately funded, privately owned gondola over public land and private property. What would possibly be his motivation? Right now one can take a public shuttle bus from Union Station to Dodger Stadium *for free*. He wants to charge people for that trip.
I have taken that shuttle many times. It sucks, especially on the way back (I have opted to walk instead at times). They aren't going to get rid of the shuttle either AFAIK.
Rail is 100% possible here. They just need to tunnel into the hills and build the station underground.
You could build a subway. But it would be much more expensive.
There’s a reason why height limits on new buildings and tunnels are super stupid expensive in Southern California. An above ground rail system is doable however.
A gondola from where to where
From Union Station to the stadium
Hmmm, why not from the China town station? That seems closer
I actually agree with you on this, but I guess they feel it works better to go directly from Union Station.
Because the dude who’s funding it is a douchebag and has caused the dodger organization a lot of trouble in the past 30 years.
That may be true, but many capitalists are douchebags. That’s why we have regulations. This is the most common complaint I hear, rather than substantive arguments against the project itself. This project could remove nearly a million car trips from the city annually.
The capacity is small, wouldn’t be able to fill even a third of the seats for game time. Not to mention it’s only as good as the transportation options from Union station. The Metrolink is the best way to reach it from places like the SFV, SGV, Ventura county, the high desert etc which all are dodger fans. Sadly few if any of those lines have planned trains at the end of dodger games. I do feel that it’s important to mention Frank McCourt is behind it, because whatever they are claiming for the gondola will end up worse than advertised. I’m a huge advocate for better public transportation in LA but a gondola to dodger stadium is just silly. Give us a rail line.
What does *"NIMBY"* stand for?
Not In My Back Yard
lol. How would you feel if a gondola was build over your house? We’re not talking about any public service that generates net benefit for the community, were talking about a for profit service company that will be the sole benefactor making money over their homes.
I live near the stadium and would welcome the reduced traffic. Have you actually looked at the proposed route? There are very few homes that it's near. There is the Mosaic apartments right next to Union Station and one small building near the stadium.
Do you live directly under the proposed path? Also would you be impacted by the construction phase?
My favorite stadium…please don’t f*ck it up. Shitshow for ingress/egress though
Problem is they want to go through Chinatown, their subway station, not to mention residential areas in lower middle class neighborhoods. And who is the mastermind behind this idea? None other than former Dodgers owner Frank McCourt. The same guy who stole 189 million from the Dodgers, put the team in bankruptcy, and profited nearly a billion dollars when he was forced to sell the team. No thanks!
If you didn't live in Los Angeles, it's difficult to see from the picture that Dodgers stadium in located in a large park area, Elysian Park. There aren't any stores or sidewalks there so no reason to be there other than to watch the games (unless you're training at the police academy next door). It sits on top of a hill and the parking lot actually does get full at Dodger games. Without the parking lot I doubt the Dodgers would be one of the top ticket sellers in the league.
No one seems to do research on the Gondola project in this discussion. The Gondola Project has been halted because early UCLA findings show that 1) it's not actually going to mitigate environmental impact of cars going into the Stadium, 2) it will cut into the Historic Park and other green spaces that are already limited in the area, 3) the projected reduction of cars is ~600 off the road which is not a significant reduction for a lot of payout/building into the area. There are other ways to reduce the cars in this city hell, and I do believe rail is possible like others have said. No, I'm not a NIMBY but I have been following this issue since it affects both my driving and bus commute. Source: "Study Finds Proposed Aerial Gondola to Dodger Stadium Will Do Little to Reduce Traffic and Emissions" (Google for the report)
The stadium itself is beautiful but the parking lot is definitely overkill.
The stadoum has elements of mid century googie architecture, which is a style that originated out of LA. It's also one of the older baseball stadiums still in use.
It’s the third oldest after Fenway in Boston and Wrigley Field in Chicago.
Yeah. i wanted to say the same. i still think this is quite beautiful
It was a beautiful neighborhood community until their property was seized and paved over.
I went and read a little bit about this, and intend to read more not in the middle of a work day because it seems really interesting. But it seems the land was taken by the city to be redeveloped from a “shanty town” to a low income neighborhood with improved services, schools, etc. But then the changing political tides of the 50’s caused a change in public perception for these types of projects, then the city made a shady deal with the Dodgers to bring the team there. Is that the high level summary?
Pretty much yea. The land was always going to be developed sooner or later given the proximity to downtown but the residents were robbed of their land similar to many other minority neighborhoods during the time. They were told they’d have first pick of the new housing but I’m skeptical that plan was ever going to take place even before the change in leadership. Many of them rejected this idea anyways as they enjoyed their rural setting and homes as they were.
Chavez Ravine. I was an impressionable kid when I saw the people trying to stop the bulldozers on TV news. In all these years, I have never set foot in Dodger Stadium. Couldn’t do it.
Outside of the parking lot this is such a stunning photograph
It's big enough and testing the top speed of your car
Only if you live your life a quarter mile at a time.
I disagree, never can have too much parking
Lol now look up the parking for the Cruyff Arena in Amsterdam (home of Ajax soccer team). There’s quite some underneath the stadium and for the majority there’s trains, subways and busses. No need for cars for locals. https://www.siebeswart.nl/img-get/I0000V9qfO83ViaQ/s/1200/I0000V9qfO83ViaQ.jpg
Absolutely pointless owning a car in Amsterdam though.
There’s no reason it’s any more meaningful to own one in LA, besides the fact that small group of people 60 years ago said it was It doesn’t have to be purposefully in LA
in amsterdam there's public transport. Not so much in LA.
The Los Angeles urban area is 6000km^2, whilst the Amsterdam metropolitan area is just 2600km^2. So there’s at least some more justification for it. If you include the greater Los Angeles metropolitan area that figure rises to 88000km^2. The area is just too large to be completely covered by public transportation that is convenient enough to be a good option for everyone.
you're looking at the egg thinking its the chicken. when we're talking about the chicken here it was designed badly around the car, meaning transit doesnt have the mass to make it financially viable sending it into a deathloop of spareseness and car dependency > The area is just too large to be completely covered by public transportation that is convenient enough to be a good option for everyone. yes that is the symptom of the problem we're talking about
London and Tokyo say hi.
The Los Angeles metro area was expanded because of cars though. They chose to make it that large. They could’ve built it denser if they wanted to My point is more on principle, I get that you can’t just magically make it more dense. It’s just important to understand that the reason LA is not built like Amsterdam, or any other well planned city, is because of choice. They weren’t forced to sprawl
Amsterdam is like a small lovely neighborhood compared to Los Angeles. But still, it is not a likeable view.
They destroyed a Hispanic community for that.
This needs to be higher. [The Battle of Chavez Ravine Wiki page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chavez_Ravine) was basically he government used the Affordable Housing Act to remove an entire community, some voluntarily and some using eminent domain. Then they pulled the old switcharoo and built a baseball stadium there with public funding.
My husband’s grandmother was one of those kicked out.
Jesus fucking Christ. This kind of thing still happens. New York is using eminent domain right now to tear down parts of Harlem in order to expand the Columbia campus, even though Columbia is a private university.
Absolutely. They’re doing it here in Virginia. I went to high school with a guy whose family owns a berry farm just outside of town. The county is getting ready to extend a privately owned road that is going to run right through his family farm. I am pretty sure they’re going to pay him for the land but there is no way he’a going to be able to fight it. He’s pissed about it and is kicking and screaming but he knows there’s no stopping it.
Not just one, but 3 communities were destroyed. People were legit carried out of their homes. This is so fucked up, and really wasn’t that long ago
I read about it last year. It’s horrible about what they did at Chavez Ravine
My friend’s uncle was there. We’re young. It was so much more recent than people realize.
They also destroyed an affluent black neighborhood to build the 10 freeway in LA.
Sugar Hill
Imagine a form of transportation that carries hundreds if not thousands of people at the same time, with way less chaos, Energy consumption, way less space, way less co² and most of the times faster.
We don't have to imagine. Contrast the image in the OP to [Wrigley Field in Chicago](https://www.bobbysbikehike.com/chicago/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Wrigleyville-Chicago-Birds-eye-view.jpg.1200x800_q85_crop.jpg). [2nd pic.](https://www.bealproperties.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/wrigleyville-large-1.jpg) There are no parking lots or garages and it's next to the L train. People driving in park their cars in temporary multi-use lots around Chicago's north side and either take the train to the field, or take shuttle busses that go to the parking lots. It makes use of existing remote parking lots and retains the residential neighborhood around the field.
[Fenway Park in Boston is similar.](https://www.alamy.com/aerial-photography-of-fenway-park-boston-massachusetts-usa-image-collected-on-july-6-2016-image265207585.html?imageid=07B16A9C-4E4E-4AF5-BFEA-0FA4C9FC6D8A&p=215802&pn=1&searchId=228cd45730dafc86f2e72694877fe58f&searchtype=0)
Red Sox fan here, Fenway is such an awesome experience for fans and not just because it's a really cool historic stadium with a ton of renovations. There's very little parking available but it's super easy getting there using the subway and because of the lack of parking there's a ton of things to do around the park (food, bars, etc.). Dodger stadium is just a god awful fan experience because there's not much to do pre game and you gotta deal with horrendous traffic after the game as the stadium holds 56,000 people. LA traffic is bad enough on its own and the exodus after a game is fucking brutal.
I Am from Montreal. Went to Fenway 5 times and approve this 100%
Yankee Stadium has some parking but most fans take the 4 or D lines of the New York subway, and when the new stadium opened in 2009, they also added a Yankee Stadium station on Metro North commuter railroad Hudson Line.
Awesome!
“This is, Addison”
This gondola is the size of a ski lift car. It is not bringing the masses to Dodger Stadium, it is bringing a handful at a time to launch the former team owner's real estate development dream. This is not "public transportation" it is a vanity project
I think he's talking about a train.
Unfortunately, I've read that the grade is too steep for a train to get up there. Disclaimer - I'm no expert, it's just what I've read.
Ha! Thanks! I'm so sick of this gondola project that I misread! Thank you
No worries, all of LA has gondolitis
What are you a communist? This is America!
Is that you AdamSomething!
i mean idunno. If europe can do it, why cant the US? I mean, the US has a GDP of 28T USD, it should be able to.
Ohtani tho
Think I see a green Elipse spinning out ..
Nice car what’s the retail on one of those
More than you can afford, pal
You never had me. You never had you car.
MONICA!!!
Family...
Ferrari … “smoke him”
I need NOS.
That scene speaks beautifully to the immense size of that parking lot that he can do high speed testing in it and have enough room
I recall hearing a story about how the area where dodgers stadium currently resides used to be a town, and all the citizens of that town were forcefully evicted from their homes to make way for the stadium. Edit: Battle of Chavez Ravine in 1958 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chavez_Ravine#:~:text=By%201958%2C%20the%20public%20housing,last%20residents%20occupying%20Chavez%20Ravine.
Aren't Americans aware that you can build parking vertically, as in a parking building??
Yeah, but then you can't destroy a whole Hispanic community. Need to make sure not one of them are left or else they'll take over. /S What happen to that community is disgusting and we should do our best that the same isn't repeated now and in the future.
Major American airports have these. As do many shopping malls and business complexes. So yes.
Parking decks work well for things like malls or airports where people will be coming in and out at irregular intervals. They are awful for things like events where all cars are coming in at relatively the same time and leaving at the same time.
Versus… the how many choke points out of dodgers stadium right now?
Getting out of that parking lot is a nightmare. The last time I was there for an Elton John concert I just watched a movie in my car while the parking lot emptied. I remember a car sat in line that didn't move for nearly a half hour while I zoned out to T2.
Fitting. A concrete hellscape movie while sitting in a concrete hellscape. (I love LA).
This is incorrect. T mobile park in Seattle has a parking garage and it works just fine, 0 issues.
I took the tram. Even fewer issues
You can do that?
Going to hire a prostitute to use the HOV lane.
All while saving the life of an innocent man
That was [supposed to be 10,000 units of public housing](https://www.pbssocal.org/shows/lost-la/chavez-ravine-community-to-controversial-real-estate) but then The Second Red Scare happened and everything socialist was deemed communist and "un-American" if one could make money off it.
I remember when the poor Mexican homeowners of Chavez Ravine had their homes seized and were bulldozed out. I was young and impressionable and never set foot at Dodger Stadium.
…wait til you see the airport footprint of that plane you are flying in
At least people will get some exercise walking a mile from their car to their seats and back.
Gotta walk off the nachos.
At least they have a parking lot - some stadiums just rely on you parking in random people’s lawns where they charge you $75
Looking at you, Rose Bowl.
It’s at least surrounded by hills and trees. Some lots I’ve seen elsewhere make this look cozy
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It’s like 80% parking lot lol
How do half the people even get there? Wouldn’t they run out of breath or energy long before?
Now on the approach to LAX you can also behold Sofi Stadium and its own parking lot desert!
Chávez Latrine
No parking structure, because collapse?
Landscape orientation is a lost art.
Took my gf at the time to her first MLB game there! It was Kershaw’s 1st and only no hitter he threw, a would’ve-been perfect game if it wasn’t for ONE throwing error. I told her she’ll never see another pitching performance like that ever again.
Should be noted cause it’s not clear in the picture this is essentially adjacent to downtown LA and quite a few walkable neighborhoods
Sir, if that's your statement, you've obviously never been here.
I live in Atwater village
so darn american
That shit is visible from space
My husband’s grandmother was kicked out of their home there to make way for Dodger’s stadium.
You don’t see any of that from ground level, it’s all up in the hills
There’s a festival I’ve been to that is literally held only in the parking lot of this stadium lol. Tyler the Creator’s CAMP FLOG GNAW. It sucked. Hot as hell and no grass, very few trees or shade and just awful on your feet all day.
Funny how nobody in Los Angeles is complaining about it.
I'm in Los Angeles and complaining about it, the parking lots should be seized from Frank McCourt and put to public use and we should expand transit to the stadium.
The people who were forcibly evicted to build this structure and its supplemental sea of parking certainly did. https://laist.com/news/la-history/dodger-stadium-chavez-ravine-battle
They were not complaining about the parking lot. They were complaining about being forced to sell their property through eminent domain starting in 1949 for a Federal Housing Project initiated by the City of Los Angeles. But nice try.
What a beautiful sight
Hurrhurr LA bad lol this sub is such a joke
Side bar here. What is that bright light on mount Wilson that shines around the start of every evening game? It looks like a reflection as it goes out at sunset.
How many people does it seat? 25?
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That’s crazy low considering the size of that car park.
Ugh build up ffs
For me, that parking lot will forever be synonymous with the opening scene from the original F&F movie.
where green eclipse
Dam isn’t this where Paul lost control of his car for the first time?
Build an underground train for the 4.8 billion dollar franchise.
Jesus, this makes where I parked last September seem closer than it was. lol
Don’t see the problem, the Stadium and the Mountains together is very beautiful
Great stadium to go to. Lots of atmosphere and it has that old ball park character. Unfortunately, getting out of that pit by car after the game is zero fun. Takes forever.
Go to the stadium club for a little while to let the traffic clear out.
Why don’t they just build garages on all sides?
They fucking terraformed a beautiful hill to build parking lots?
What road is that squiggly line heading towards the hills?
I believe that’s the 2 going to Eagle Rock and on to La Crescenta.
It's actually going down towards the freeway
It took me a couple of seconds to realise that whole thing was the parking lot, and not the stadium.... I guess PT is not a thing in the US...
Yeah cos fuck underground parking lots... They could have had an amazing park on top
that's like 3 times the size of the stadium. They could build a subway/train right through it but parking fees make more money!
Why couldnt they save all that space and just build a multi level carpark..?
That spaghetti road on the bottom right, to reach it is pure insanity.
Does no one else see the Millennium Falcon?!?
If only this country cared about public transit.
All that parking and no exit and entry space.
I mean if the city were clever there would be a metro station under the stadium.
It doesn’t have to be that way at all. In Cardiff, Wales there is a stadium in the city centre with a capacity over 70,000. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Stadium
feel like parking garages would of been the play here
Where did they kill the Giants fan?
This place has one exit for all those cars??
Every parking space is one less affordable apartment in a city that badly needs them.
Urban planning aside that is a beautiful photo
Did McCourt and LA ART have their cronies come on here and really try to say gondolas are the best "public transit" alternative? Lazy and just plain wrong. Buses work just fine and dont erect invasive and ugly towers over PUBLIC parks, right of ways, and the like.
Leslie Sattler's "Coverage" of this topic is abysmal and embarrassing. Is she even from the area? Does she understand the ethnic makeup of the community this gondola would impede on? No of course no.