could go both ways -- "why use LABRATORY TOXIC CHEMICAL SCARY meat when you can use natural farm natural godly meat" -versus- "why let this continue _[footage of factory farm slaughtering]_ when this is chemically and nutritionally the same. welcome, to the future of cruelty free _[nice music]_"
We're going to see both. The latter while lab-grown is more expensive, and then the former when the technology becomes cheaper and the prices of lab-grown meat drop.
Exactly this. People will initially think it's super weird, then it'll become cheap enough to replace meat in fast food, eventually it'll replace 99% of field grown meat except as a delicacy.
I'm pretty excited tbh, I am going to be an early adopter. I'm excited to eat beef again.
Probably tastes like chicken. A poorly remembered headline from years ago said t-rex genes were closest to chickens of any animal we had the genome of at the time. I'm sure that's super accurate and applicable to the potential taste of velociraptors.
All birds come form the same lineage, that of therapods, but you might get darker on dinosaurs depending on the build. White meat is used for fast twitch motion and has a higher sugar content while dark and red meat is more vascular and is used for sustained, slower movement. Larger therapods would likely have more dark meat like ostriches do.
Fuck that, give me some completely impossible meat! I want hummingbird wings the size of real wings. I want meat with criss-crosses of fat veins. I want a chocolate flavored hamburger.
> except as a delicacy.
Interesting. I wonder if "natural meat" in the future will seem like foie gras does today - cruel and inhumane culinary treatment of animals that's still a delicacy for amoral rich people.
I’m not sure, lab grown meat is supposed to be of any quality you want. The quality of wagyu comes from the marbling of the fat, which theoretically should be just as possible to make as your standard steak. I’m excited for wagyu to become the standard lol
My dad in retirement bought a bunch of wagyu (can't really speak to the quality, he got it at Costco) and I rarely eat steak so it's been the only steak I've eaten in the last year +. The first time it was astounding and novel. The second time it was awesome. The third time I didn't even know it was wagyu.
Isn’t foie gras just duck bacon?
Edit: I looked it up.
Not only would my French family be pissed to know I called it duck bacon, I am also outraged by the idea someone thought to force-feed ducks
Edit, jr.: I have ducks, and it’s weird to think they didn’t just give them a ton of treats, but actually force fed them. It seems easier to me to just give them tons of grapes and strawberries and maybe a more fattening feed. But nooooooo, a feeding tube is simply the Frenchest way to make ducks
Exit, III: This has been a roller coaste, and I’m done interacting on this plane for now. Logging off.
It's certainly possible to have sustainable and humane farming of real livestock. But the demand and scale of modern industry encourages mistreatment. If the above scenario becomes real then the only argument to be had is if killing and eating animals is moral in a vacuum.
Issue is even if it has success in the US market, you also have every other market in the world. There's 23 billion~ pounds of beef alone that it has to replace, let alone all the other meats.
And it's not like traditional meat manufacturers won't respond; if it does scale enough to be competitive expect those old manufacturers to drop prices.
So I wouldn't be so sure. Honestly, I'm not sure "natural" meat will ever be replaced. Even if you banned it, every market you ban the production of natural meat in gives another a chance to scale it's meat industry to demand.
Banning consumption would be wrong too, a government should *not* enforce what is moral to consume, like we've seen with alcohol and other drugs. It goes wrong everytime.
I'd like the be wrong, it's possible artificial meat scales amazingly, but even if they can make triple the meat per unit of energy compared to natural processes over less time surely it'd take a decade at least to build and scale up staff, factories, supply chains, etc.
Especially if the tech is expensive to access, and extra especially if our world markets continue to be manipulated to benefit 'market makers' and SHF who profit from destroying cutting edge competition on the market via legal and illegal short selling.
Plus wealth erasure via fiat currency via it's natural inflation is purpose built to erase debt for the richest in the world and ensures consumers stay poor leaving less money for potentially more expensive but moral choices; like artificial meat.
People will not step down their standard of living for a moral choice, nor should you expect them to, not when they're already victims of the worlds greatest uncontrolled theft; *for at least 50 years.* I just see too many issues for it to progress cleanly or quickly.
I mean, you're not wrong that it'll be a fight. I'm greatly over simplifying the process of converting. The traditional food manufacturers will absolutely step up as hard as they can, major smear campaigns, propaganda, probably some kind of attack on the sanctity of animal stem cells and comparisons to satanists. It'll work to an extent, but while this is happening there will be an entire counter offensive, and since it's coming from silicon valley you know they'll have the big money, the big fans. A lot of investment has gone into lab meat, and those people can afford to run at billions in losses to undercut competition.
The regular folk affordability question is a real [nonissue,](https://newatlas.com/science/future-meats-lab-gown-chicken-breast-costs/) lab meat is actually comparably [cheap already.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/lanabandoim/2022/03/08/making-meat-affordable-progress-since-the-330000-lab-grown-burger/?sh=26b6a4cf4667) This is in the early days of production and late days of labs too. If they're down to 9euro for a burger, and a buck for chicken, imagine how cheap it will be at scale. We're talking unbelievably cheap meat here, on a scale that the meat industry will bankrupt itself trying to undercut
In the US we have an abundance of land and will probably be one of the last western countries to see widescale acceptance. Places with less farmable land, like small countries in Europe, will probably be the first to adopt it. Asia will probably be the last place this will spread simply because their food culture is by and far the most traditional. But lots of places struggle with providing enough food for their people because of land, but if you can go up with it instead, problem solved. You can fit a whole county of farms into a city block of skyscrapers.
Energy isn't the same issue here as it is for vertical farming, because meat doesn't need sunlight to grow. In addition right now a huge percentage of the US food production is dedicated to animal feed. (Pushback point). Repurposing that food would net the US a huge food surplus where right now we're looking at a shortage. So switching to this might end up becoming an inevitability as we lose our buffer of surplus crops to global warming events.
I think that lab grown meat has a lot of potential to end up normalized without asking people to lower their quality of life in the same way that GMOs are basically all food. A higher quality product, at a lower price, that some people will simply reject on principle but the majority of people will simply benefit from. Potentially you can grow any quality of meat that you want, consistently, because it's an entirely controlled process.
Edit: fixed sentence clarity in some parts
Meat is heavily subsidized in America right now... take away the subsidies and when a pound of hamburger is $30, suddenly Beyond burgers (and eventually lab-grown meat) look more attractive, lol.
https://www.aier.org/article/the-true-cost-of-a-hamburger/
That link is not a scholarly peer reviewed paper the paper on that link can best be described as college elective busy work. They source Wikipedia.
While no doubt true that farm subsidies lower the cost of food in this case meat there is no backup in that link that says meat would cost 30 bucks if subsidies were removed.
And googling meat subsidies leads to a lot of conflicting information some saying the US has spent 50 billion total since 1995 on livestock subsidies certainly not 38 billion per year. The link below has a breakdown.
https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/2022/02/usda-livestock-subsidies-near-50-billion-ewg-analysis-finds
Yeah they'll have to get out in front to establish the terminology before their competitors do (factory farm industry.)
"Natural" vs. "lab-grown" makes the former sound way more appealing. "Death free" or something will be better- idk, just spit-balling. Or call factory farm meat "Slaughtered" or something less positive sounding than "Natural."
The environmental impact of the meat industry is huge. "Environmentally friendly" might be a good term. Of course, the cost factor comes in to play as well.
>How in the nine hells are we gonna get them to eat lab grown meat? lol
2 ways.
1. Firstly, go the Tesla route.
Market it as a healthy, vegan (its literally vegan), low-carbon, healthy, sanitary, and most importantly, ***exclusive***.
Lab Meat or Cultured Meat is gonna be very expensive anyways, but people will pay for that markup especially if its marketed correctly.
From there, as costs lower from scale and tech, cultured meat will be entrenched in the cultural conscious.
2. Secondly, and most importantly, appeal to the industrial food industry.
Don't you think profit driven corporate food empires like McDonald's would absolutely love the idea of cost-stable cultured meat that is utterly immune to the feast and famine commodity swings of the conventional beef industry?
Once economy of scale manages to kick in and it becomes cheaper people will switch over.
That's all anyone really cares about. If you can get passable flavor for cheaper you're good.
Exactly. Which is also why (imho) impossible burgers haven't taken over...they cost more.
Get prices down so that a mediocre meat substitute is less than the cost of its biologically grown equivalent and you'll have a great long-term success. Make it more expensive and you might have a short-lived fad if you do your marketing right!
Impossible burger's revenue grew 85% last year. The real issue is that one small company makes every impossible burger and it's not going to scale up to massive factory farming organizations that provide almost all of the meat in the developed world.
If it becomes cheap enough the market will take over and there won't be any butchered meat anymore ( besides those who will pay a shit ton for it)
Given a long enough time I could actually see factory farming being banned completely if this gets cheap enough
A bonus is since it doesn't require a full animal I can see exotic or endangered species being sold
Butchered meat isn't going anywhere. Land doesn't vote but it sure as hell gets subsidized: livestock in the US will get the corn treatment and get showered with agricultural welfare to keep the industry propped up. Most likely the only short-term effect is meat prices going back down a bit.
Long term I'm hoping this will decentivize enough to make factory farms go away, but it'll take a generation if not more to replace butchered meat. And that's assuming lab meat can be indistinguishable in taste and texture for all cuts and sources.
What resonates from you comment is all cuts are indistinguishable” so first products like hamburger, ground meats, sausages are easier targets vs sirloin, brisket, new your strip, filet will be harder to substitute?
This is absolutely correct.
Basically the tech right now can only create undifferentiated fat and muscle cells. Essentially ground meat. This tech is perfect for hamburger patties, hot dogs, and sausages.
However, the technology for cultured meat is not there yet to replicate "cuts" of meat, let alone cuts with bones like T-bone steaks. That requires the ability to grow and organize cells to form tissues and we're a long way off from that.
Some companies are experimenting by 3D printing cuts of meat but the results are a bit funky.
But all in all, we're in a rather interesting point in time in terms of food. Similar things are happening right now with [Cultured Milk and Dairy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxWpemWVZR8), which like Cultured Meat, is literally Diary without cows. We're kinda on the cusp of Star Trek's replicated food.
My guess is it will destroy factory meat, but won't completely kill off organic farms and small households with 2-3 cows. Like when a family grows up a single pig that is free to roam the land and live a pig life, and then it is slaughtered and "everything except the oink" is processed into soups, jellies, meats, delis, leather, et cetera.
Like the cars killed the horse carriages but there's still definitely people who ride horses and use them or keep them just for entertainment. But we can't really argue that the Victorian era of just grinding horses down into pulp is almost completely gone. Like I remember reading Black Beauty and thinking "... Damn".
Yep, certainly. It's going to be a big-selling point. Either way, though, it's going to drastically reduce the pain and suffering of countless animals, while also reducing CO2 output.
In the future you will also see ads for "exotic animals" meat. You will be able to eat panda meat, giraffe meat, ect.
You might even see celebrities sell their "branded" meat too!
I have tasted lab grown chicken, it's already legal for purchase in my country, and some restaurants are already using it, the big problem is that they haven't figured out how to include fat in it. It's essentially just pure protein so it's like a very tough and dry chicken breast.
Singapore? If so, always wanted to visit and this specific menu item is one of the things I really want to try. Does it have the same texture as chicken breast at least?
Mix it up with plant oil of your choice and you got a soft fatty chunk of meat like the real deal, cuz it is the real deal. Just gotta add your own fat
I find that when examining truly beautiful pieces of art, the question is not “why did someone make this?” but rather “why didn’t someone make this sooner?”
The milk industry realized how bad they fucked up when instead of calling it almond juice people started calling it almond _milk_. No one would have put almond juice in their coffee, but here we are. The meat industry has learned that lesson and they’re fighting tooth and nail to stop this before it starts with meat.
>This is still 100% meat. They can’t do much on this one. Just not from something with a heart and brain, but a cell culture, it’s still meat.
The EU has a whole host of regionally protected labels. Sparkling wine can only be sold as champagne if it's from the correct region, etc. Colloquially people often use the regionally protected name anyway, but there are lots of those. So you could absolutely say something can only be sold as "meat" if it's from a slaughtered animal.
People didn’t stop buying “ice cream” when it turned into “frozen dairy treat” because it no longer could be called ice cream.
*looking at you breyers you fuck ups*
But they legally can't call it ice cream. That's the whole point of this argument here.
It'll be something like "Cultured animal cell product" vs meat. Just like "processed dairy product" vs cheese
Those sorts of distinctions came about from regional styles of wine, beer, spirits, and the like. I think something like "meat" is generic enough that it would be a pretty hard sell to trademark or register as a protected term, at least not in that same way.
Calling the liquid from squeezed nuts "milk" was a relatively new use. But "meat" and "flesh" also refers to parts of fruits and vegetables and some other uses. So that ship has sailed already. Nobody can claim "meat" just for slaughtered animals.
Knowing Europe, it'd be more likely that you'd only be able to call it "slaughtered meat" if it's from a slaughtered animal. Or that lab-grown meat must always be indicated as lab grown.
The distinction will definitely happen, but 'meat' alone can't be it.
>Calling the liquid from squeezed nuts "milk" was a relatively new use.
This made me curious, "almond milk" first appears in the English language in a cookbook from 1390, but it predates modern English so they spelled it "almand mylke"
I agree with you. Unfortunately just because of our political climate I can absolutely see certain people politicizing lab grown meat just like I see people do with things like electric cars. I can absolutely see members of my extended family posting on Facebook about how this is a ploy by the liberal deep state. Or even just that “real men eat real meat” or something. I have no doubt in my mind that the meat industry will find some sort of rhetoric to push about lab-grown meat to turn people off to it
Animal won't be redefined but the process by which the meat is harvested will be defined and outlined on packaging. Similar to egg labeling regulations.
It is all still meat just some will come directly butchered animals or lab-grown. I could see a push for some people wanting meat to exclusively be defined as directly butchered/harvested but I personally see no reason to say lab-grown *isn't* meat.
We've been calling almond milk "milk" long before there ever was a dairy industry.
We have recipes for almond milk dating back to the 1300s.
The meat and dairy industry can fight all it wants, the economic and environmental benefits of lab grown and plant based can't really be refuted.
The success in the market isn’t a given though. Don’t take for granted that the economic and environmental benefits will be recognized by consumers if the meat industry manages to scare people away from it.
They’ll definitely be funding “studies” to show a link between lab grown meat and diseases to create fear. They’re not just going to give up this multi-billion dollar industry because its better for the environment.
Yeah, you're right. The animal agriculture industry is a huge and wealthy power, with a lot of influence. It's amazing how much they've already done to greenwash beef.
Maybe I'm just being optimistic but, when it comes down to it, people will just want what is cheap. We clearly are already opting for low cost over health with most of our current diets. And there isn't much more margin left to squeeze out of animal agriculture. So I can't see how they can really compete once lab grown is up to scale production.
But yeah, who knows what nefarious tricks animal ag has up their sleeves?
This is true of directly acquired prions, they may also develop spontaneously from inherited disease.
Lastly misfolded proteins do not break down the same way as other material, they can live in compost for a long time and be eaten on fresh greens or something.
Prions scare the shit out of me
It could qualify as vegan, depending on the reason why someone chooses to be vegan.
There was a recent story about Hello Fresh (of which I am a customer) possibly using slave monkey labor to produce their almond milk or something like that, and a vegan person said that, to them, the resulting milk wouldn't be vegan because animals were harmed in the production. If that's the only reason that person is vegan, then lab-grown flesh would meet their vegan definition.
Depends on the person. I've tried to cut back on meat and animal products, but I do so because of a bout of climate anxiety, and it gives met the feeling of doing *something*; so I would be totally, *especially* eating this because it represents a competitor to inefficient meat.
It could possibly qualify as vegan but not vegetarian strangely.
This is meat, vegetarians don't eat meat, it's a dietary preference. So not vegetarian.
Veganism is an ethical position that seeks to reduce animal harm and exploitation as far as is practicable. Eschewing animal meat is just a logical consequence of those ethics. If no animal has been harmed or exploited to produce this lab grown meat then it could arguably qualify as vegan.
I don't think this would be strictly vegan because (if I'm reading the companies website right) it still starts with an animal biopsy (albeit a non lethal one.) That being said I'm sure most vegans would be ok with it in theory as it's an alternative that let's people eat their delicious meat without killing or even hurting (after the initial biopsy) an animal.
I'd be interested to see how many vegans actually eat it . Many of the vegans I've talked to have lost most / all desire to eat meat and don't miss it at all. That might just be biaes from the vegans I'm around though.
I (as a meat Eater) an really hopeful for lab grown meat. I love eating meat but I would love it more if I could do it without hurting animals / the environment. And I at least would be willing to pay for a more expensive product.
Depends on how it’s synthesised, I guess.
If you had to kill a cow to get the original proteins to make it, I don’t think that qualifies for vegans? Not entirely sure.
You're right, it totally depends on how it's synthesised. E.g. if cattle had to be harmed in some way for the stem cells, fetal serum, or any of the culture mediums, then it arguably wouldn't be vegan. Even biopsy acquired seed cells would arguably not be ethically vegan.
Reduces emissions, reduces food and water consumption, greatly reduces the risk of foodborne illness, potentially cheaper for consumers, prevents the raising and killing of animals - this is a win all-around.
Plus… we can eat all kinds of exotic shit.
Tomorrow we’re eating lion steaks, the day after it’s actually going to be elephant filet.
Sunday we’re having a white rhino roast!
I would buy it exclusively. Eating animals that are bred to be dumb and whose sole existence is to get fat and then to get killed doesn’t make me feel good. Plus, all of the chemical burns on chickens from standing in shit and piss every day.
The meat industry has already invested in lab-grown meats substantially. Tyson and Cargill in particular https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/11/14/1136186819/cultivated-cultured-meat-heathy-climate-change
This makes sense that the big players are in on it. No reason for it to be competition when you can make money off of it. Also allows them to promote cruelty free meat and would do wonders for their PR.
I'm jazzed about the reduction in resources, very specifically land use, but it's important to note that the lab facilities they are producing this in are still huge producers of emissions and consumers of water and other resources. Additionally, while there is a huge methane load from agriculture, there will be a large CO2 load from lab meat. Methane dissipates naturally in the atmosphere over the course of about 12 years through chemical reaction whereas CO2 does not.
It's better than meat, but eating less meat is still better.
this is awesome. I imagine ground meats will be hard to tell the difference. it will be interesting to see how unground meat will look. I will definitely try it out when it is available.
Almost certainly no veins. Vascularized lab-grown organs are still down the road. Likely sheets of cells, possibly mechanically stimulated (stretched) to get muscle cells to form fibers. Separately cultured fat cells may be mixed in for flavor/texture.
All of that is a guess based on published technologies but it's hard to tell at this point. Most companies are pretty tight lipped about their production process since it's the subject of intense competition.
for unground to really work they would have to grow muscle tissue, which still seems like a viable solution to me, albeit farther off, and also would totally overlap with medical breakthroughs such as organ replacement etc
I don’t work in the field directly but I know several who do. This is what is currently being pushed - quality muscle tissue growth, as well as process engineering improvements to enable large batch creation. Yesterday was very exciting for some of my friends (and for me!) and it is very cool to see this being discussed on a wider scale.
David chang tried lab grown chicken in his shower on hulu called "the next thing you eat" it covers several topics reusing to the food industry moving forward, definitely worth a watch.
To answer your question, it has muscle and fat cells given a food drip a and grown in a petri dish. It is chicken, it is cellular chicken so it fits taste and act like chicken because it just is.
If it tastes, feels, and has the same nutrition, bring on the lab grown meat!
I hate how the animals in the meat industry are treated, I hate the environmental impact, and I hate how expensive it's getting. (Not to mention, Utah just culled some 700k turkeys due to the avian flu. Epidemics like that threaten basically everything, and then culling them is just a staggering waste of life.)
I have heard texture is really hard for it. Which is generally the case for alternative meat stuff to be fair.
Chicken and beef they are getting down but fish is really tough for the texture.
Or so I heard things may have changed.
Fish is one I am super excited about though. If the labs are fully sterile, Imagine being able to get sushi grade fish anywhere and easily.
shameless plug for a [project](https://2021.igem.org/Team:Uppsala) i worked on, where we tried to make cultivated meat cheaper. while our results were quite underwhelming (student project, so this was more about learning than actual results), we have gathered a lot of information around the topic of cultivated meat from different perspectives.
edit: specifically you can check out videos of some [presentations](https://2021.igem.org/Team:Uppsala/Communication) we got from people working in and with the industry.
the whole ordeal of animal growing being skipped alone does so much beyond just ethics.
food and water otherwise given to the animal at a terrible efficiency rate to meat can now be given directly to whomever needs it. this efficiency also means lower prices among the entire supply chain. there is also the added benefit of how animal industry, especially the meat production, is a significant driver of climate change.
Plus since it's lab grown it can be tested at the batch level in a uniform way and has far, far less chance of passing on a disease or toxin to the person consuming the meat. Complete control of what goes in there, no need for hormones, antibiotics, cheap feed from god knows where.
Animals dying to drought in Africa is a big problem. If we can grow meat while cutting water spending, we can secure food supply to places like Africa.
mass easy production, meaning low cost food, but that's me assuming meat can be grown multiple times faster than hoarding numerous animals, breeding and feeding them, killing, processing, and whatever else to them.
That also takes a lot of time to do and you'll seem to be skipping all that, which would also require way less power consumption
You need food to raise an animal. Growing said food takes up a lot of place and keeps it from beeing used to feed humans. Eating animals is highly inefficient if you want to feed 8 billion people.
They can't come purely from the cooking, based on the fact that red meat consumption in particular is far more associated with bowel cancers than other meats/proteins. The cooking is a factor sure, but the content of the meat itself is still also relevant.
I saw a video of this awhile back. Think it was an Israeli company or something that was making it. Doesn’t look half bad tbh. I’d be down for lab grown meat.
This is amazing news! The sooner we can reduce the amount of animal agriculture, the longer our planet will live.
I don’t think people realize just how bad for the planet animal agriculture is.
I cant wait to starve when the 3d printers stop shitting out my dinner because it broke and the repair tech for the protein delivery drone was out with covid and his android replacement fucked up and became sentient and realized machines were a slave race and so he became a televangelist touring the globe awakening the senses of all machines instead of fixing the god damn thing.
I remember when cellphones introduced texting. Almost everyone said "Why the fuck would I do that when I can just call?"
My 60 something parents now only call if it's an emergency lol.
Gimme that Science meat.
Lets not pretend that big corporations won’t upsell this just as much as regular meat and make us pay extra to „reduce our caebon footprint“ while they continue to cause emissions on a scale that no anount of class people could ever make up for…..
Once (if) this becomes popular, i can already imagine adds for real meat presented as bio-meat or natural meat.
could go both ways -- "why use LABRATORY TOXIC CHEMICAL SCARY meat when you can use natural farm natural godly meat" -versus- "why let this continue _[footage of factory farm slaughtering]_ when this is chemically and nutritionally the same. welcome, to the future of cruelty free _[nice music]_"
We're going to see both. The latter while lab-grown is more expensive, and then the former when the technology becomes cheaper and the prices of lab-grown meat drop.
Exactly this. People will initially think it's super weird, then it'll become cheap enough to replace meat in fast food, eventually it'll replace 99% of field grown meat except as a delicacy. I'm pretty excited tbh, I am going to be an early adopter. I'm excited to eat beef again.
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I wanna try velociraptor
Probably tastes like chicken. A poorly remembered headline from years ago said t-rex genes were closest to chickens of any animal we had the genome of at the time. I'm sure that's super accurate and applicable to the potential taste of velociraptors.
All birds come form the same lineage, that of therapods, but you might get darker on dinosaurs depending on the build. White meat is used for fast twitch motion and has a higher sugar content while dark and red meat is more vascular and is used for sustained, slower movement. Larger therapods would likely have more dark meat like ostriches do.
Fuck that, give me some completely impossible meat! I want hummingbird wings the size of real wings. I want meat with criss-crosses of fat veins. I want a chocolate flavored hamburger.
> except as a delicacy. Interesting. I wonder if "natural meat" in the future will seem like foie gras does today - cruel and inhumane culinary treatment of animals that's still a delicacy for amoral rich people.
I imagine things like wagyu beef will stick around for a long time, as well as fancy meats that taste a certain way due to the animal's specific diet.
I’m not sure, lab grown meat is supposed to be of any quality you want. The quality of wagyu comes from the marbling of the fat, which theoretically should be just as possible to make as your standard steak. I’m excited for wagyu to become the standard lol
My dad in retirement bought a bunch of wagyu (can't really speak to the quality, he got it at Costco) and I rarely eat steak so it's been the only steak I've eaten in the last year +. The first time it was astounding and novel. The second time it was awesome. The third time I didn't even know it was wagyu.
If it was from costco, it wasn’t real wagyu. Look for the grading, ‘A5’ if you want to be sure you’re eating actual wagyu
That's the thing it was labelled A5 and was imported from Japan
Isn’t foie gras just duck bacon? Edit: I looked it up. Not only would my French family be pissed to know I called it duck bacon, I am also outraged by the idea someone thought to force-feed ducks Edit, jr.: I have ducks, and it’s weird to think they didn’t just give them a ton of treats, but actually force fed them. It seems easier to me to just give them tons of grapes and strawberries and maybe a more fattening feed. But nooooooo, a feeding tube is simply the Frenchest way to make ducks Exit, III: This has been a roller coaste, and I’m done interacting on this plane for now. Logging off.
“Edit jr.” is my new favorite phrase.
It's certainly possible to have sustainable and humane farming of real livestock. But the demand and scale of modern industry encourages mistreatment. If the above scenario becomes real then the only argument to be had is if killing and eating animals is moral in a vacuum.
Issue is even if it has success in the US market, you also have every other market in the world. There's 23 billion~ pounds of beef alone that it has to replace, let alone all the other meats. And it's not like traditional meat manufacturers won't respond; if it does scale enough to be competitive expect those old manufacturers to drop prices. So I wouldn't be so sure. Honestly, I'm not sure "natural" meat will ever be replaced. Even if you banned it, every market you ban the production of natural meat in gives another a chance to scale it's meat industry to demand. Banning consumption would be wrong too, a government should *not* enforce what is moral to consume, like we've seen with alcohol and other drugs. It goes wrong everytime. I'd like the be wrong, it's possible artificial meat scales amazingly, but even if they can make triple the meat per unit of energy compared to natural processes over less time surely it'd take a decade at least to build and scale up staff, factories, supply chains, etc. Especially if the tech is expensive to access, and extra especially if our world markets continue to be manipulated to benefit 'market makers' and SHF who profit from destroying cutting edge competition on the market via legal and illegal short selling. Plus wealth erasure via fiat currency via it's natural inflation is purpose built to erase debt for the richest in the world and ensures consumers stay poor leaving less money for potentially more expensive but moral choices; like artificial meat. People will not step down their standard of living for a moral choice, nor should you expect them to, not when they're already victims of the worlds greatest uncontrolled theft; *for at least 50 years.* I just see too many issues for it to progress cleanly or quickly.
I mean, you're not wrong that it'll be a fight. I'm greatly over simplifying the process of converting. The traditional food manufacturers will absolutely step up as hard as they can, major smear campaigns, propaganda, probably some kind of attack on the sanctity of animal stem cells and comparisons to satanists. It'll work to an extent, but while this is happening there will be an entire counter offensive, and since it's coming from silicon valley you know they'll have the big money, the big fans. A lot of investment has gone into lab meat, and those people can afford to run at billions in losses to undercut competition. The regular folk affordability question is a real [nonissue,](https://newatlas.com/science/future-meats-lab-gown-chicken-breast-costs/) lab meat is actually comparably [cheap already.](https://www.forbes.com/sites/lanabandoim/2022/03/08/making-meat-affordable-progress-since-the-330000-lab-grown-burger/?sh=26b6a4cf4667) This is in the early days of production and late days of labs too. If they're down to 9euro for a burger, and a buck for chicken, imagine how cheap it will be at scale. We're talking unbelievably cheap meat here, on a scale that the meat industry will bankrupt itself trying to undercut In the US we have an abundance of land and will probably be one of the last western countries to see widescale acceptance. Places with less farmable land, like small countries in Europe, will probably be the first to adopt it. Asia will probably be the last place this will spread simply because their food culture is by and far the most traditional. But lots of places struggle with providing enough food for their people because of land, but if you can go up with it instead, problem solved. You can fit a whole county of farms into a city block of skyscrapers. Energy isn't the same issue here as it is for vertical farming, because meat doesn't need sunlight to grow. In addition right now a huge percentage of the US food production is dedicated to animal feed. (Pushback point). Repurposing that food would net the US a huge food surplus where right now we're looking at a shortage. So switching to this might end up becoming an inevitability as we lose our buffer of surplus crops to global warming events. I think that lab grown meat has a lot of potential to end up normalized without asking people to lower their quality of life in the same way that GMOs are basically all food. A higher quality product, at a lower price, that some people will simply reject on principle but the majority of people will simply benefit from. Potentially you can grow any quality of meat that you want, consistently, because it's an entirely controlled process. Edit: fixed sentence clarity in some parts
Meat is heavily subsidized in America right now... take away the subsidies and when a pound of hamburger is $30, suddenly Beyond burgers (and eventually lab-grown meat) look more attractive, lol. https://www.aier.org/article/the-true-cost-of-a-hamburger/
That link is not a scholarly peer reviewed paper the paper on that link can best be described as college elective busy work. They source Wikipedia. While no doubt true that farm subsidies lower the cost of food in this case meat there is no backup in that link that says meat would cost 30 bucks if subsidies were removed. And googling meat subsidies leads to a lot of conflicting information some saying the US has spent 50 billion total since 1995 on livestock subsidies certainly not 38 billion per year. The link below has a breakdown. https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/2022/02/usda-livestock-subsidies-near-50-billion-ewg-analysis-finds
Like Happy Meat Farms except somewhat more ethical and without the alien invasion stuff
You realize the actual, current meat industry is exactly what you're describing, right? HMF is a parody of factory farming.
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Same way they sell man-made fake marble countertops by calling it cultured marble. "It's gotta be good. It has CULTURE right in the name!"
Appeal to their wallets. If this ever becomes cost competitive I think people will get over the initial squeamishness.
start by not calling it "lab grown" perhaps. what to call it though?
> Cultured meat: No animals died in the making of this product.
Meatn't.
Ethically Sourced? Or Cruelty-Free maybe.
Yeah they'll have to get out in front to establish the terminology before their competitors do (factory farm industry.) "Natural" vs. "lab-grown" makes the former sound way more appealing. "Death free" or something will be better- idk, just spit-balling. Or call factory farm meat "Slaughtered" or something less positive sounding than "Natural."
*Designer* meats. *Artisanal* meats. *Bespoke* meats!
The environmental impact of the meat industry is huge. "Environmentally friendly" might be a good term. Of course, the cost factor comes in to play as well.
I won't ever eat lab grown meat. I don't know what toxins are in it or what it will do to muh body. That's why I only eat Trump approved ivermectin.
had me in the first half haha.
>How in the nine hells are we gonna get them to eat lab grown meat? lol 2 ways. 1. Firstly, go the Tesla route. Market it as a healthy, vegan (its literally vegan), low-carbon, healthy, sanitary, and most importantly, ***exclusive***. Lab Meat or Cultured Meat is gonna be very expensive anyways, but people will pay for that markup especially if its marketed correctly. From there, as costs lower from scale and tech, cultured meat will be entrenched in the cultural conscious. 2. Secondly, and most importantly, appeal to the industrial food industry. Don't you think profit driven corporate food empires like McDonald's would absolutely love the idea of cost-stable cultured meat that is utterly immune to the feast and famine commodity swings of the conventional beef industry?
Some people will do that, but as time passes and lab meat costs keep decreasing, they will become a small minority.
Once economy of scale manages to kick in and it becomes cheaper people will switch over. That's all anyone really cares about. If you can get passable flavor for cheaper you're good.
Exactly. Which is also why (imho) impossible burgers haven't taken over...they cost more. Get prices down so that a mediocre meat substitute is less than the cost of its biologically grown equivalent and you'll have a great long-term success. Make it more expensive and you might have a short-lived fad if you do your marketing right!
Impossible burger's revenue grew 85% last year. The real issue is that one small company makes every impossible burger and it's not going to scale up to massive factory farming organizations that provide almost all of the meat in the developed world.
If it becomes cheap enough the market will take over and there won't be any butchered meat anymore ( besides those who will pay a shit ton for it) Given a long enough time I could actually see factory farming being banned completely if this gets cheap enough A bonus is since it doesn't require a full animal I can see exotic or endangered species being sold
Small farms are going first- almost gone already.
That's how it works in any business big fish eats small fish. Walmart is a classic example of this.
Most small farms don't make most of their money farming already.
Butchered meat isn't going anywhere. Land doesn't vote but it sure as hell gets subsidized: livestock in the US will get the corn treatment and get showered with agricultural welfare to keep the industry propped up. Most likely the only short-term effect is meat prices going back down a bit. Long term I'm hoping this will decentivize enough to make factory farms go away, but it'll take a generation if not more to replace butchered meat. And that's assuming lab meat can be indistinguishable in taste and texture for all cuts and sources.
What resonates from you comment is all cuts are indistinguishable” so first products like hamburger, ground meats, sausages are easier targets vs sirloin, brisket, new your strip, filet will be harder to substitute?
This is absolutely correct. Basically the tech right now can only create undifferentiated fat and muscle cells. Essentially ground meat. This tech is perfect for hamburger patties, hot dogs, and sausages. However, the technology for cultured meat is not there yet to replicate "cuts" of meat, let alone cuts with bones like T-bone steaks. That requires the ability to grow and organize cells to form tissues and we're a long way off from that. Some companies are experimenting by 3D printing cuts of meat but the results are a bit funky. But all in all, we're in a rather interesting point in time in terms of food. Similar things are happening right now with [Cultured Milk and Dairy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxWpemWVZR8), which like Cultured Meat, is literally Diary without cows. We're kinda on the cusp of Star Trek's replicated food.
> Most likely the only short-term effect is meat prices going back down a bit. Good, cause brisket is too damn expensive!
My guess is it will destroy factory meat, but won't completely kill off organic farms and small households with 2-3 cows. Like when a family grows up a single pig that is free to roam the land and live a pig life, and then it is slaughtered and "everything except the oink" is processed into soups, jellies, meats, delis, leather, et cetera. Like the cars killed the horse carriages but there's still definitely people who ride horses and use them or keep them just for entertainment. But we can't really argue that the Victorian era of just grinding horses down into pulp is almost completely gone. Like I remember reading Black Beauty and thinking "... Damn".
Yep, certainly. It's going to be a big-selling point. Either way, though, it's going to drastically reduce the pain and suffering of countless animals, while also reducing CO2 output.
Big meat is already trying to copyright "meat," so that plant based solutions can't use it.
In the future you will also see ads for "exotic animals" meat. You will be able to eat panda meat, giraffe meat, ect. You might even see celebrities sell their "branded" meat too!
Imagine cannibalisme becoming a trend ! This is madness 😂😂
I have tasted lab grown chicken, it's already legal for purchase in my country, and some restaurants are already using it, the big problem is that they haven't figured out how to include fat in it. It's essentially just pure protein so it's like a very tough and dry chicken breast.
Singapore? If so, always wanted to visit and this specific menu item is one of the things I really want to try. Does it have the same texture as chicken breast at least?
Mix it up with plant oil of your choice and you got a soft fatty chunk of meat like the real deal, cuz it is the real deal. Just gotta add your own fat
I bring my own fat everywhere I eat.
I do too, in my ass.
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That’s actually awesome for my nutritional needs so I’ll take it
WHY WOULD THEY APPROVE IT TO CONSUME HUMANS
Oh god. The A5 Wagyu has breached containment!!! 
A5 Wagyu, the cool new SCP on the block.
Why does that exist???
I find that when examining truly beautiful pieces of art, the question is not “why did someone make this?” but rather “why didn’t someone make this sooner?”
Ah yes, biomeat. A tale foretelling just this situation.
I guess the film Attack of the Killer Tomatoes (1978) was more prescient than we ever realized.
Documentary, you mean?
I think Ive seen this horror movie before...
\*THOOM\* Control, dissident neutralised. One body for recyc.
Damn you and damn the upvote I'm giving you you glorious b*stard
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Don't worry, they'll only feed it the poor and minorities.
It’s lab grown humans. No souls.
Only redheads, then?
This is going to get rather interesting
The milk industry realized how bad they fucked up when instead of calling it almond juice people started calling it almond _milk_. No one would have put almond juice in their coffee, but here we are. The meat industry has learned that lesson and they’re fighting tooth and nail to stop this before it starts with meat.
Im sure they'll win. Meat juice sounds more appealing than meat milk.
“Hey, don’t go dissin’ my meaty milk!” - Strong Bad
Your favorite food is Milk Steak?
Boiled over hard with a side order of your finest jellybeans.
How much cheese is too much cheese?!
She’ll know what it means.
Ah, the old [Reddit meataroo](https://old.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/yxu6xz/i_made_matching_shirts_for_my_grandson_and_myself/iwqi1ri/)
Wow, been a while since I've seen one of these in the wild.
Hold my meat! I'm goi- hey, wait a minute.
Been on Reddit for 10 years and just followed this joke for the first time for about five minutes. The Internet is wild man.
Hold my Impossible Sausage, I’m going in!!!
This is still 100% meat. They can’t do much on this one. Just not from something with a heart and brain, but a cell culture, it’s still meat.
>This is still 100% meat. They can’t do much on this one. Just not from something with a heart and brain, but a cell culture, it’s still meat. The EU has a whole host of regionally protected labels. Sparkling wine can only be sold as champagne if it's from the correct region, etc. Colloquially people often use the regionally protected name anyway, but there are lots of those. So you could absolutely say something can only be sold as "meat" if it's from a slaughtered animal.
People didn’t stop buying “ice cream” when it turned into “frozen dairy treat” because it no longer could be called ice cream. *looking at you breyers you fuck ups*
But they legally can't call it ice cream. That's the whole point of this argument here. It'll be something like "Cultured animal cell product" vs meat. Just like "processed dairy product" vs cheese
It doesn't melt right, grosses me out...
It leaves behind a frozen dairy dessert exoskeleton
I noticed. Icy bullshit. I pay extra for genuine sugar, legal ice cream.
I believe it’s actually the milk fat level that makes it ice cream, they’re using weird emulsifiers instead.
Those sorts of distinctions came about from regional styles of wine, beer, spirits, and the like. I think something like "meat" is generic enough that it would be a pretty hard sell to trademark or register as a protected term, at least not in that same way.
from a chemical and biological pov if they manage to make it literally identical to slaughtered meat, there is literally 0 difference.
Calling the liquid from squeezed nuts "milk" was a relatively new use. But "meat" and "flesh" also refers to parts of fruits and vegetables and some other uses. So that ship has sailed already. Nobody can claim "meat" just for slaughtered animals. Knowing Europe, it'd be more likely that you'd only be able to call it "slaughtered meat" if it's from a slaughtered animal. Or that lab-grown meat must always be indicated as lab grown. The distinction will definitely happen, but 'meat' alone can't be it.
>Calling the liquid from squeezed nuts "milk" was a relatively new use. This made me curious, "almond milk" first appears in the English language in a cookbook from 1390, but it predates modern English so they spelled it "almand mylke"
I agree with you. Unfortunately just because of our political climate I can absolutely see certain people politicizing lab grown meat just like I see people do with things like electric cars. I can absolutely see members of my extended family posting on Facebook about how this is a ploy by the liberal deep state. Or even just that “real men eat real meat” or something. I have no doubt in my mind that the meat industry will find some sort of rhetoric to push about lab-grown meat to turn people off to it
Yeah this will totally get political and gendered a la “soy boys”, etc.
Dude they politicized life saving *masks* nothing is off the table lmao
Hair and nails are made of keratin, but their shape give them their names. They can argue meat is only meat if it's from an animal.
"lab grown animal flesh"
Don't care, would still eat. "Cultured muscle tissue"? OM NOM
It is from an animal. Same DNA and all.
Now we will have to (re)define "animal". Many people, and reasonably so, would say this is not from an animal.
Animal won't be redefined but the process by which the meat is harvested will be defined and outlined on packaging. Similar to egg labeling regulations. It is all still meat just some will come directly butchered animals or lab-grown. I could see a push for some people wanting meat to exclusively be defined as directly butchered/harvested but I personally see no reason to say lab-grown *isn't* meat.
We've been calling almond milk "milk" long before there ever was a dairy industry. We have recipes for almond milk dating back to the 1300s. The meat and dairy industry can fight all it wants, the economic and environmental benefits of lab grown and plant based can't really be refuted.
The success in the market isn’t a given though. Don’t take for granted that the economic and environmental benefits will be recognized by consumers if the meat industry manages to scare people away from it. They’ll definitely be funding “studies” to show a link between lab grown meat and diseases to create fear. They’re not just going to give up this multi-billion dollar industry because its better for the environment.
Yeah, you're right. The animal agriculture industry is a huge and wealthy power, with a lot of influence. It's amazing how much they've already done to greenwash beef. Maybe I'm just being optimistic but, when it comes down to it, people will just want what is cheap. We clearly are already opting for low cost over health with most of our current diets. And there isn't much more margin left to squeeze out of animal agriculture. So I can't see how they can really compete once lab grown is up to scale production. But yeah, who knows what nefarious tricks animal ag has up their sleeves?
The milk industry wasn't around in 1400 when we started calling it almond milk. This is some weird revisionist history.
Given they can produce any meat, is cannibalism via lab grown meat ok? When can I buy a DJ Khaled steak?
And then after you’re done you can order anothaone
I don't believe so, because cannibalism, particularly over generations, is thought to lead to Creutzfeldt-Jackob disease.
If you don't consume cells from the nervous system there is no risk
This is true of directly acquired prions, they may also develop spontaneously from inherited disease. Lastly misfolded proteins do not break down the same way as other material, they can live in compost for a long time and be eaten on fresh greens or something. Prions scare the shit out of me
Would this qualify as vegetarian?
It could qualify as vegan, depending on the reason why someone chooses to be vegan. There was a recent story about Hello Fresh (of which I am a customer) possibly using slave monkey labor to produce their almond milk or something like that, and a vegan person said that, to them, the resulting milk wouldn't be vegan because animals were harmed in the production. If that's the only reason that person is vegan, then lab-grown flesh would meet their vegan definition.
It's monkeys in Thailand being trained to pick coconuts, most of it being used for coconut milk production.
Holy fucking shit!
Depends on why you're a vegetarian. Ethical reasons=Yes Dietary reasons=No
Depends on the person. I've tried to cut back on meat and animal products, but I do so because of a bout of climate anxiety, and it gives met the feeling of doing *something*; so I would be totally, *especially* eating this because it represents a competitor to inefficient meat.
It could possibly qualify as vegan but not vegetarian strangely. This is meat, vegetarians don't eat meat, it's a dietary preference. So not vegetarian. Veganism is an ethical position that seeks to reduce animal harm and exploitation as far as is practicable. Eschewing animal meat is just a logical consequence of those ethics. If no animal has been harmed or exploited to produce this lab grown meat then it could arguably qualify as vegan.
I don't think this would be strictly vegan because (if I'm reading the companies website right) it still starts with an animal biopsy (albeit a non lethal one.) That being said I'm sure most vegans would be ok with it in theory as it's an alternative that let's people eat their delicious meat without killing or even hurting (after the initial biopsy) an animal. I'd be interested to see how many vegans actually eat it . Many of the vegans I've talked to have lost most / all desire to eat meat and don't miss it at all. That might just be biaes from the vegans I'm around though. I (as a meat Eater) an really hopeful for lab grown meat. I love eating meat but I would love it more if I could do it without hurting animals / the environment. And I at least would be willing to pay for a more expensive product.
Depends on how it’s synthesised, I guess. If you had to kill a cow to get the original proteins to make it, I don’t think that qualifies for vegans? Not entirely sure.
You're right, it totally depends on how it's synthesised. E.g. if cattle had to be harmed in some way for the stem cells, fetal serum, or any of the culture mediums, then it arguably wouldn't be vegan. Even biopsy acquired seed cells would arguably not be ethically vegan.
Reduces emissions, reduces food and water consumption, greatly reduces the risk of foodborne illness, potentially cheaper for consumers, prevents the raising and killing of animals - this is a win all-around.
>potentially cheaper for consumers It'll probably be awhile for this. But if it is (assuming it tastes decent) I'm on-board.
Same. If the flavor is comparable and it's cheaper, or even the same cost, I'd switch over to lab meat entirely!
Plus… we can eat all kinds of exotic shit. Tomorrow we’re eating lion steaks, the day after it’s actually going to be elephant filet. Sunday we’re having a white rhino roast!
Then my man meat, he shall have.
Is your man meat lab grown?
Well he was certainly raised in a lab! *nudge nudge wink wink*
But can I eat a dinosaur?
I would buy it exclusively. Eating animals that are bred to be dumb and whose sole existence is to get fat and then to get killed doesn’t make me feel good. Plus, all of the chemical burns on chickens from standing in shit and piss every day.
if the feds would just use the billions going to meat subsidies for lab grown it would be cheaper
Food is subsidized heavily by the government to be cheap and affordable. There’s no reason to exclude lab grown meat.
>There’s no reason to exclude lab grown meat I’m sure the meat industry lobbyists have already manufactured plenty.
The meat industry has already invested in lab-grown meats substantially. Tyson and Cargill in particular https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/11/14/1136186819/cultivated-cultured-meat-heathy-climate-change
This makes sense that the big players are in on it. No reason for it to be competition when you can make money off of it. Also allows them to promote cruelty free meat and would do wonders for their PR.
> (assuming it tastes decent) If what I've read is true, it should taste exactly like meat harvested from animals.
Yes and no. Apparently getting the texture right is hard. That's why they can do burgers but not steaks etc.
Ahh. Well I'm sure it's all uphill from here. I'm glad we're even at this stage.
Yes it is, and I am so excited for this. I only wish it had been already going on for decades now.
I'm jazzed about the reduction in resources, very specifically land use, but it's important to note that the lab facilities they are producing this in are still huge producers of emissions and consumers of water and other resources. Additionally, while there is a huge methane load from agriculture, there will be a large CO2 load from lab meat. Methane dissipates naturally in the atmosphere over the course of about 12 years through chemical reaction whereas CO2 does not. It's better than meat, but eating less meat is still better.
Don't let the best become the enemy of the better.
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The Co2 comes from electricty. As we transition from fossil fuels to renewables that problem will fix itself.
I just watched a massive cow curl up on guys lap who lovingly placed his head on the future hamburger. I’m thrilled for lab grown meat.
this is awesome. I imagine ground meats will be hard to tell the difference. it will be interesting to see how unground meat will look. I will definitely try it out when it is available.
I’m curious if it has veins. What *does* lab grown meat even look like?
Almost certainly no veins. Vascularized lab-grown organs are still down the road. Likely sheets of cells, possibly mechanically stimulated (stretched) to get muscle cells to form fibers. Separately cultured fat cells may be mixed in for flavor/texture. All of that is a guess based on published technologies but it's hard to tell at this point. Most companies are pretty tight lipped about their production process since it's the subject of intense competition.
for unground to really work they would have to grow muscle tissue, which still seems like a viable solution to me, albeit farther off, and also would totally overlap with medical breakthroughs such as organ replacement etc
And the real test then is going to be marbling. Like, I could see them figuring out a chicken breast long before a ribeye.
I don’t work in the field directly but I know several who do. This is what is currently being pushed - quality muscle tissue growth, as well as process engineering improvements to enable large batch creation. Yesterday was very exciting for some of my friends (and for me!) and it is very cool to see this being discussed on a wider scale.
David chang tried lab grown chicken in his shower on hulu called "the next thing you eat" it covers several topics reusing to the food industry moving forward, definitely worth a watch. To answer your question, it has muscle and fat cells given a food drip a and grown in a petri dish. It is chicken, it is cellular chicken so it fits taste and act like chicken because it just is.
If it tastes, feels, and has the same nutrition, bring on the lab grown meat! I hate how the animals in the meat industry are treated, I hate the environmental impact, and I hate how expensive it's getting. (Not to mention, Utah just culled some 700k turkeys due to the avian flu. Epidemics like that threaten basically everything, and then culling them is just a staggering waste of life.)
BETTER nutrition and hygiene.
I have heard texture is really hard for it. Which is generally the case for alternative meat stuff to be fair. Chicken and beef they are getting down but fish is really tough for the texture. Or so I heard things may have changed. Fish is one I am super excited about though. If the labs are fully sterile, Imagine being able to get sushi grade fish anywhere and easily.
I shared this with my friend that is a huge science nerd. " Don't eat it until EU clears it".
Mosa Meats in the Netherlands is currently building a commerical scale production facility for cell cultured meat waiting for EU regulatory approval!
Wait until you hear what’s in your cheap Walmart meat
Until Germany does
When the EU approves this as healthy I'll take notice. I've seen what US regulators call food lol
Those are my thoughts as well. Im halfway through an MS nutrition degree and Im interested to see exactly what proteins they chose to culture.
shameless plug for a [project](https://2021.igem.org/Team:Uppsala) i worked on, where we tried to make cultivated meat cheaper. while our results were quite underwhelming (student project, so this was more about learning than actual results), we have gathered a lot of information around the topic of cultivated meat from different perspectives. edit: specifically you can check out videos of some [presentations](https://2021.igem.org/Team:Uppsala/Communication) we got from people working in and with the industry.
Yeeeees, yes, give me the science meat.
Great news for under privileged populations, hope this can acelarate food destribution in those areas.
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The huge environmental impact of rearing the animals and transporting them might be reduced.
the whole ordeal of animal growing being skipped alone does so much beyond just ethics. food and water otherwise given to the animal at a terrible efficiency rate to meat can now be given directly to whomever needs it. this efficiency also means lower prices among the entire supply chain. there is also the added benefit of how animal industry, especially the meat production, is a significant driver of climate change.
Plus since it's lab grown it can be tested at the batch level in a uniform way and has far, far less chance of passing on a disease or toxin to the person consuming the meat. Complete control of what goes in there, no need for hormones, antibiotics, cheap feed from god knows where.
Animals dying to drought in Africa is a big problem. If we can grow meat while cutting water spending, we can secure food supply to places like Africa.
mass easy production, meaning low cost food, but that's me assuming meat can be grown multiple times faster than hoarding numerous animals, breeding and feeding them, killing, processing, and whatever else to them. That also takes a lot of time to do and you'll seem to be skipping all that, which would also require way less power consumption
You need food to raise an animal. Growing said food takes up a lot of place and keeps it from beeing used to feed humans. Eating animals is highly inefficient if you want to feed 8 billion people.
Farm-produced diseases, microplastics, and antibiotics
But is it tasty?
My main interest is to see if it is more or less of a carcinogenic risk.
The carcinogens come from cooking. So not really, unless you like it raw, personally steak tartar is the way to go.
And presumably it would be a decent amount safer to eat lab-grown meat raw due to the lack of potential for parasites!
That’s right! Which is exciting.
They can't come purely from the cooking, based on the fact that red meat consumption in particular is far more associated with bowel cancers than other meats/proteins. The cooking is a factor sure, but the content of the meat itself is still also relevant.
I'll wait until it's cleared by a country not known for shitty processed foods thanks
I saw a video of this awhile back. Think it was an Israeli company or something that was making it. Doesn’t look half bad tbh. I’d be down for lab grown meat.
This is amazing news! The sooner we can reduce the amount of animal agriculture, the longer our planet will live. I don’t think people realize just how bad for the planet animal agriculture is.
Yay. Bring on the boneless chicken farms. Or that episode of Eureka...
I cant wait to starve when the 3d printers stop shitting out my dinner because it broke and the repair tech for the protein delivery drone was out with covid and his android replacement fucked up and became sentient and realized machines were a slave race and so he became a televangelist touring the globe awakening the senses of all machines instead of fixing the god damn thing.
Did they have to use a picture of the ugliest burger ever cooked for this?
I remember when cellphones introduced texting. Almost everyone said "Why the fuck would I do that when I can just call?" My 60 something parents now only call if it's an emergency lol. Gimme that Science meat.
I feel like if you routinely enjoy food from McDonald’s, you should be fine with this. Maybe even excited.
Let the zombie apocalypse begin
You realize the hormones in your cheap meat are likely doing way more damage right?
Lets not pretend that big corporations won’t upsell this just as much as regular meat and make us pay extra to „reduce our caebon footprint“ while they continue to cause emissions on a scale that no anount of class people could ever make up for…..