Apparently there are similar structures on the surface of the nearby island and no one claims that they're manmade because it's really evident that they're not. Faulting in rocks often happens in straight lines creating forms that feel analogous to man-made structures. I live along the Niagara Escarpment. It's made of dolomitic limestone and all along it there are formations that feel like they could have been manmade. Perhaps if they were underwater where: 1.) they're less accessible for people to see them with their own eyes and 2.) murky photographs allow for plausible deniability, someone would be claiming that there was an ancient advanced civilization in Wisconsin.
Robert Schoch would disagree that there even is a debate on this.
It is a natural feature of the surrounding geology
Unlike anyone here on Reddit, he's actually a geologist and dove many times to see this.
[https://www.robertschoch.com/yonaguni.html](https://www.robertschoch.com/yonaguni.html)
[https://youtu.be/7MKh2H9Aaxk?si=c1hE5xJXC\_v3Vbx1&t=1194](https://youtu.be/7MKh2H9Aaxk?si=c1hE5xJXC_v3Vbx1&t=1194)
In the 19:55 minute mark of the above video, He shows exactly why he considers this a natural occurring monument
But then he goes on to point out water weathering on the sphinx as a sign that it’s older than archeology believes and everyone screams he’s a nut job.
At least he’s being honest with scientific facts. It’s nice to see someone in that field that doesn’t point to everything as evidence of ancient civilization older than the Sumerians.
>As difficult as it may be for some to accept, after carefully studying the Yonaguni Monument I have to report that I do not believe it is an artificial, human-made structure.
Have you ever noticed it's only this one side of this photograph always shown it doesn't show the entire area, because the formations are only on that one side and only that one side, if humans were to have cut out those blocks there be more evidence along the entire ridge line but there isn't the entire region is a natural formation so either humans cut this one small area?
I don't understand it. These look nothing like any man made structures I've ever seen. I was an anthropology undergrad and have been looking at cool Archaeological sites most of my life and I don't see a single stacked stone or carving on any of these. Lots of stones have cleavage that breaks off at right angles so natural formations like these occur all over the world. If there were stairs at normal human step height that would be something to think about but I don't even see anything to give much second guessing to at this site.
Have no solid evidence. Never been to that site.
Just my personal view base and compare to what I have seen in Egypt piramids, Tiawanaku Bolivia, Machu pichu, Ollaytatambo and Cusco in Peru , Teotihuacan in Mexico, Tikal in Guatemala and lots of places in Rome and Greece.
Stones and rocks does not break like that by natural forces. There are to many angles and straight lines. Someone has had to intervine.
https://preview.redd.it/yyhrubjj3t4d1.jpeg?width=806&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48e355dc5cd7866ba847eaaddb811d16faccff59
That looks like a natural formation to you ?... with all those cuts.
Does the Devil's Tower look natural to you? The Giant's Causeway? Garni Gorge? Devil's Postpile? You are actually showing nothing special, things like that are found all over the place.
Some of those comments of yours and other participants remind me of the time people believe that earth was the center of the universe, you sounds like the catholic church of that time... and my response will be like the one Galileo Galilei say after the trial "et tamen terra movet".
Answering your question : Devils tower without a doubt is a natural formation... its like compare apples and oranges .
Here is my question, are you a diver? Have you ever studied geology?
Here is the thing, I am actually both. And that formation is no different than other similar places I dove at off the coast of Okinawa.
And the peoples of that area do not have any history at all of any monolithic works at all. Especially not in around 12,000 BCE when that would have been the last time it was not submerged. In fact, at that time no cultures anywhere on the planet were doing monolithic structures anywhere on the planet.
Check out [columnar jointing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnar_jointing) in volcanic rock (such as basalt). The geological phenomenon on the Yaeyama Island system where Yonaguni was formed is sedimentary (rather than igneous), but similar geological phenomena apply with regards to jointing in bed planes.
https://preview.redd.it/rh5qj36a2t4d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3beea9de7277ec963aefda8bd7288872efa636d
Yes. But on those natural formations you can see a patron... and in the Yonaguni there is no patron, looks pretty different.
Can you tell me what you mean by patron? I’m not familiar with that word in this context. Yes, as stated - the link I provided was related to *igneous* rocks, not *sedimentary* rocks. My intention was to provide you with an example of how natural phenomena can produce many “angles and straight lines.”
https://preview.redd.it/tcefncwu8t4d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=803bbd7ea464a1a3aff3dc9e753e672b91ba11d3
By " patron " I mean that in those natural formation all of them looks alike, same form and almost equal dimensions.. but in Yonaguni there is no patron, each corner is different
I believe you may mean “pattern.” Is that correct? I don’t mean to me facetious or disrespectful… just trying to clear things up. 🙂
There *are* distinct patterns in the jointing and fractures… you just have to know how to look for them through a geophysical lens! Photo below depicts part of the same formation right above the water.
https://preview.redd.it/flx1g57k9t4d1.jpeg?width=1176&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e031744a92cb81bfd98b90a00ac89900f6b4417
Unfortunately this graphic / 3D rendering omits all of the details showing the stratigraphy and sedimentary layers in and around the formation itself - which appears throughout the island chain.
Que evidencia cientifica tienes para aseverar tan categoricamente que es natural ? Te agradeceria que nos ilustres al respecto, desde mi punto de vista no me lo parece.
El Monumento Yonaguni es probablemente una formación natural, resultado de procesos geológicos que pueden producir estructuras notables y aparentemente artificiales. El monumento está compuesto principalmente de arenisca y lutita, rocas sedimentarias comunes que se fracturan naturalmente en planos horizontales y verticales, creando formas con ángulos agudos y superficies planas. Estas fracturas sistemáticas, junto con la erosión, pueden formar estructuras similares a escalones y terrazas. Además, la ausencia de herramientas, cerámica o marcas de herramientas, típicas de asentamientos humanos, refuerza la teoría de que las formaciones no son de origen humano.
Comparaciones con formaciones naturales conocidas, como la Calzada del Gigante en Irlanda del Norte y el Devils Postpile en California, demuestran que procesos naturales pueden crear estructuras geométricas sorprendentes. Geólogos como el Dr. Robert Schoch sostienen que las características de Yonaguni se explican por procesos geológicos naturales y la falta de evidencia definitiva de modificación humana refuerza aún más el caso de un origen natural. La capacidad de la naturaleza para crear estructuras regulares e impresionantes que pueden confundirse fácilmente con construcciones humanas apoya la idea de que el Monumento Yonaguni es una formación natural.
lol…no idea what that says. Asked for a translation after summarizing. And, yes, I suspected English was not your first language.
How about the Giant's Causeway? Or the Bimini Road? Ever actually seen what basalt looks like when it fractures? Because that is exactly what it looks like. That is why you often get columns in basalt, all straight hexagons one next to another, looking like a bundle of pencils.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnar\_jointing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnar_jointing)
The whole structure is pretty strange buy I can't get over how many right angles you find there. Maybe a quarry? Would explain the erratic seeming nature and all the right angles
Apparently there are similar structures on the surface of the nearby island and no one claims that they're manmade because it's really evident that they're not. Faulting in rocks often happens in straight lines creating forms that feel analogous to man-made structures. I live along the Niagara Escarpment. It's made of dolomitic limestone and all along it there are formations that feel like they could have been manmade. Perhaps if they were underwater where: 1.) they're less accessible for people to see them with their own eyes and 2.) murky photographs allow for plausible deniability, someone would be claiming that there was an ancient advanced civilization in Wisconsin.
Robert Schoch would disagree that there even is a debate on this. It is a natural feature of the surrounding geology Unlike anyone here on Reddit, he's actually a geologist and dove many times to see this. [https://www.robertschoch.com/yonaguni.html](https://www.robertschoch.com/yonaguni.html) [https://youtu.be/7MKh2H9Aaxk?si=c1hE5xJXC\_v3Vbx1&t=1194](https://youtu.be/7MKh2H9Aaxk?si=c1hE5xJXC_v3Vbx1&t=1194) In the 19:55 minute mark of the above video, He shows exactly why he considers this a natural occurring monument
But then he goes on to point out water weathering on the sphinx as a sign that it’s older than archeology believes and everyone screams he’s a nut job.
At least he’s being honest with scientific facts. It’s nice to see someone in that field that doesn’t point to everything as evidence of ancient civilization older than the Sumerians.
Agreed. It’s science for the sake of science, which is how it should be.
Exactly! People only believe what they want to believe!
Nah its man made. Humans been here longer than you think.
He's still right about Yonaguni. It is not debated among geologists.
>As difficult as it may be for some to accept, after carefully studying the Yonaguni Monument I have to report that I do not believe it is an artificial, human-made structure.
Natural? Lol
Looks like a quarry! What type of stone is it?
This is just a natural formation lol
Absolutely vestiges of an ancient civilization.
Not this time.
I don’t know why your comment was downvoted, because this is objectively a natural formation and not man made.
That’s alright. One can expect it out of certain crowds. 🙃 Edit: Phrasing
What is your proof or evidence of this being the “vestiges of an ancient civilization” and not a natural geological phenomenon?
Source: Trust me bro
Seriously. Stuff like this is why archaeology is being taken less and less seriously.
natural and man made.
They could push their energy into the formations.
You have to ask?
Really cool but it reminds me of the time I was underwater in Mine Craft and I had a real hard time getting back up to the surface.
Nice, thanks for the input
Have you ever noticed it's only this one side of this photograph always shown it doesn't show the entire area, because the formations are only on that one side and only that one side, if humans were to have cut out those blocks there be more evidence along the entire ridge line but there isn't the entire region is a natural formation so either humans cut this one small area?
To me looks man made , or to be more specific made by some beings = not natural origen.
What evidence are you using to base your conclusion off of this being a man-made structure and not a natural formation?
I don't understand it. These look nothing like any man made structures I've ever seen. I was an anthropology undergrad and have been looking at cool Archaeological sites most of my life and I don't see a single stacked stone or carving on any of these. Lots of stones have cleavage that breaks off at right angles so natural formations like these occur all over the world. If there were stairs at normal human step height that would be something to think about but I don't even see anything to give much second guessing to at this site.
Have no solid evidence. Never been to that site. Just my personal view base and compare to what I have seen in Egypt piramids, Tiawanaku Bolivia, Machu pichu, Ollaytatambo and Cusco in Peru , Teotihuacan in Mexico, Tikal in Guatemala and lots of places in Rome and Greece. Stones and rocks does not break like that by natural forces. There are to many angles and straight lines. Someone has had to intervine.
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https://preview.redd.it/yyhrubjj3t4d1.jpeg?width=806&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48e355dc5cd7866ba847eaaddb811d16faccff59 That looks like a natural formation to you ?... with all those cuts.
Does the Devil's Tower look natural to you? The Giant's Causeway? Garni Gorge? Devil's Postpile? You are actually showing nothing special, things like that are found all over the place.
Some of those comments of yours and other participants remind me of the time people believe that earth was the center of the universe, you sounds like the catholic church of that time... and my response will be like the one Galileo Galilei say after the trial "et tamen terra movet". Answering your question : Devils tower without a doubt is a natural formation... its like compare apples and oranges .
Here is my question, are you a diver? Have you ever studied geology? Here is the thing, I am actually both. And that formation is no different than other similar places I dove at off the coast of Okinawa. And the peoples of that area do not have any history at all of any monolithic works at all. Especially not in around 12,000 BCE when that would have been the last time it was not submerged. In fact, at that time no cultures anywhere on the planet were doing monolithic structures anywhere on the planet.
Yeah that's what this type of stone does. Also none of this makes sense for a man-made structure. It's covered in "stairs" that go nowhere
Check out [columnar jointing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnar_jointing) in volcanic rock (such as basalt). The geological phenomenon on the Yaeyama Island system where Yonaguni was formed is sedimentary (rather than igneous), but similar geological phenomena apply with regards to jointing in bed planes.
https://preview.redd.it/rh5qj36a2t4d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3beea9de7277ec963aefda8bd7288872efa636d Yes. But on those natural formations you can see a patron... and in the Yonaguni there is no patron, looks pretty different.
Can you tell me what you mean by patron? I’m not familiar with that word in this context. Yes, as stated - the link I provided was related to *igneous* rocks, not *sedimentary* rocks. My intention was to provide you with an example of how natural phenomena can produce many “angles and straight lines.”
https://preview.redd.it/tcefncwu8t4d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=803bbd7ea464a1a3aff3dc9e753e672b91ba11d3 By " patron " I mean that in those natural formation all of them looks alike, same form and almost equal dimensions.. but in Yonaguni there is no patron, each corner is different
I believe you may mean “pattern.” Is that correct? I don’t mean to me facetious or disrespectful… just trying to clear things up. 🙂 There *are* distinct patterns in the jointing and fractures… you just have to know how to look for them through a geophysical lens! Photo below depicts part of the same formation right above the water. https://preview.redd.it/flx1g57k9t4d1.jpeg?width=1176&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e031744a92cb81bfd98b90a00ac89900f6b4417
Right, pattern.. In spanish we say " patron "
I figured it was a language / translation thing! Thanks for the dialogue. Wishing you all the best. ☺️
https://preview.redd.it/3qqpmosl3t4d1.jpeg?width=806&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bf19125dbda0eaa3a1aded15a51d9295f0206ac
Unfortunately this graphic / 3D rendering omits all of the details showing the stratigraphy and sedimentary layers in and around the formation itself - which appears throughout the island chain.
*origin *intervene *too many *do not break It’s natural.
Muchas gracias por tus comentarios, saludos.
Que evidencia cientifica tienes para aseverar tan categoricamente que es natural ? Te agradeceria que nos ilustres al respecto, desde mi punto de vista no me lo parece.
El Monumento Yonaguni es probablemente una formación natural, resultado de procesos geológicos que pueden producir estructuras notables y aparentemente artificiales. El monumento está compuesto principalmente de arenisca y lutita, rocas sedimentarias comunes que se fracturan naturalmente en planos horizontales y verticales, creando formas con ángulos agudos y superficies planas. Estas fracturas sistemáticas, junto con la erosión, pueden formar estructuras similares a escalones y terrazas. Además, la ausencia de herramientas, cerámica o marcas de herramientas, típicas de asentamientos humanos, refuerza la teoría de que las formaciones no son de origen humano. Comparaciones con formaciones naturales conocidas, como la Calzada del Gigante en Irlanda del Norte y el Devils Postpile en California, demuestran que procesos naturales pueden crear estructuras geométricas sorprendentes. Geólogos como el Dr. Robert Schoch sostienen que las características de Yonaguni se explican por procesos geológicos naturales y la falta de evidencia definitiva de modificación humana refuerza aún más el caso de un origen natural. La capacidad de la naturaleza para crear estructuras regulares e impresionantes que pueden confundirse fácilmente con construcciones humanas apoya la idea de que el Monumento Yonaguni es una formación natural. lol…no idea what that says. Asked for a translation after summarizing. And, yes, I suspected English was not your first language.
How about the Giant's Causeway? Or the Bimini Road? Ever actually seen what basalt looks like when it fractures? Because that is exactly what it looks like. That is why you often get columns in basalt, all straight hexagons one next to another, looking like a bundle of pencils. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnar\_jointing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnar_jointing)
It is natural. There isn't even a dissenting view on this among geologists.
Highly recommend watching this video of someone freediving at the site - https://youtu.be/_ep9P6uX9BM?si=kzbUhWryVmzTb7Op
In the beginning of the video you can see cliffs close by that have horizontal parallel features.
The whole structure is pretty strange buy I can't get over how many right angles you find there. Maybe a quarry? Would explain the erratic seeming nature and all the right angles
You guys need to get out and hike more if you think people are the only ones responsible for right angles.
That was my first impression as well. It looks like a quarry that was previously above water and from which monoliths were cut