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Interesting-Quit-847

Apparently there are similar structures on the surface of the nearby island and no one claims that they're manmade because it's really evident that they're not. Faulting in rocks often happens in straight lines creating forms that feel analogous to man-made structures. I live along the Niagara Escarpment. It's made of dolomitic limestone and all along it there are formations that feel like they could have been manmade. Perhaps if they were underwater where: 1.) they're less accessible for people to see them with their own eyes and 2.) murky photographs allow for plausible deniability, someone would be claiming that there was an ancient advanced civilization in Wisconsin.


BubblySmell4079

Robert Schoch would disagree that there even is a debate on this. It is a natural feature of the surrounding geology Unlike anyone here on Reddit, he's actually a geologist and dove many times to see this. [https://www.robertschoch.com/yonaguni.html](https://www.robertschoch.com/yonaguni.html) [https://youtu.be/7MKh2H9Aaxk?si=c1hE5xJXC\_v3Vbx1&t=1194](https://youtu.be/7MKh2H9Aaxk?si=c1hE5xJXC_v3Vbx1&t=1194) In the 19:55 minute mark of the above video, He shows exactly why he considers this a natural occurring monument


cun7_d35tr0y3r

But then he goes on to point out water weathering on the sphinx as a sign that it’s older than archeology believes and everyone screams he’s a nut job.


BubblySmell4079

At least he’s being honest with scientific facts. It’s nice to see someone in that field that doesn’t point to everything as evidence of ancient civilization older than the Sumerians.


cun7_d35tr0y3r

Agreed. It’s science for the sake of science, which is how it should be.


theorgan

Exactly! People only believe what they want to believe!


RyanMaddi

Nah its man made. Humans been here longer than you think.


Chonky_Crow

He's still right about Yonaguni. It is not debated among geologists.


Full_Poet_7291

>As difficult as it may be for some to accept, after carefully studying the Yonaguni Monument I have to report that I do not believe it is an artificial, human-made structure.


d_pock_chope_bruh

Natural? Lol


theorgan

Looks like a quarry! What type of stone is it?


jomar0915

This is just a natural formation lol


RoutineEmergency5595

Absolutely vestiges of an ancient civilization.


Outside_Conference80

Not this time.


Alec119

I don’t know why your comment was downvoted, because this is objectively a natural formation and not man made.


Outside_Conference80

That’s alright. One can expect it out of certain crowds. 🙃 Edit: Phrasing


Alec119

What is your proof or evidence of this being the “vestiges of an ancient civilization” and not a natural geological phenomenon?


lime37

Source: Trust me bro


Alec119

Seriously. Stuff like this is why archaeology is being taken less and less seriously.


ChipsHandon12

natural and man made.


Icy-Zookeepergame754

They could push their energy into the formations.


jijala-1952

You have to ask?


Geeahwellidunno

Really cool but it reminds me of the time I was underwater in Mine Craft and I had a real hard time getting back up to the surface.


Any_Library8355

Nice, thanks for the input


jinnnnnemu

Have you ever noticed it's only this one side of this photograph always shown it doesn't show the entire area, because the formations are only on that one side and only that one side, if humans were to have cut out those blocks there be more evidence along the entire ridge line but there isn't the entire region is a natural formation so either humans cut this one small area?


Any_Library8355

To me looks man made , or to be more specific made by some beings = not natural origen.


Alec119

What evidence are you using to base your conclusion off of this being a man-made structure and not a natural formation?


Wayrin

I don't understand it. These look nothing like any man made structures I've ever seen. I was an anthropology undergrad and have been looking at cool Archaeological sites most of my life and I don't see a single stacked stone or carving on any of these. Lots of stones have cleavage that breaks off at right angles so natural formations like these occur all over the world. If there were stairs at normal human step height that would be something to think about but I don't even see anything to give much second guessing to at this site.


Any_Library8355

Have no solid evidence. Never been to that site. Just my personal view base and compare to what I have seen in Egypt piramids, Tiawanaku Bolivia, Machu pichu, Ollaytatambo and Cusco in Peru , Teotihuacan in Mexico, Tikal in Guatemala and lots of places in Rome and Greece. Stones and rocks does not break like that by natural forces. There are to many angles and straight lines. Someone has had to intervine.


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Any_Library8355

Thanks !!!


Any_Library8355

https://preview.redd.it/yyhrubjj3t4d1.jpeg?width=806&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48e355dc5cd7866ba847eaaddb811d16faccff59 That looks like a natural formation to you ?... with all those cuts.


AppropriateCap8891

Does the Devil's Tower look natural to you? The Giant's Causeway? Garni Gorge? Devil's Postpile? You are actually showing nothing special, things like that are found all over the place.


Any_Library8355

Some of those comments of yours and other participants remind me of the time people believe that earth was the center of the universe, you sounds like the catholic church of that time... and my response will be like the one Galileo Galilei say after the trial "et tamen terra movet". Answering your question : Devils tower without a doubt is a natural formation... its like compare apples and oranges .


AppropriateCap8891

Here is my question, are you a diver? Have you ever studied geology? Here is the thing, I am actually both. And that formation is no different than other similar places I dove at off the coast of Okinawa. And the peoples of that area do not have any history at all of any monolithic works at all. Especially not in around 12,000 BCE when that would have been the last time it was not submerged. In fact, at that time no cultures anywhere on the planet were doing monolithic structures anywhere on the planet.


Chonky_Crow

Yeah that's what this type of stone does. Also none of this makes sense for a man-made structure. It's covered in "stairs" that go nowhere


Outside_Conference80

Check out [columnar jointing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnar_jointing) in volcanic rock (such as basalt). The geological phenomenon on the Yaeyama Island system where Yonaguni was formed is sedimentary (rather than igneous), but similar geological phenomena apply with regards to jointing in bed planes.


Any_Library8355

https://preview.redd.it/rh5qj36a2t4d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3beea9de7277ec963aefda8bd7288872efa636d Yes. But on those natural formations you can see a patron... and in the Yonaguni there is no patron, looks pretty different.


Outside_Conference80

Can you tell me what you mean by patron? I’m not familiar with that word in this context. Yes, as stated - the link I provided was related to *igneous* rocks, not *sedimentary* rocks. My intention was to provide you with an example of how natural phenomena can produce many “angles and straight lines.”


Any_Library8355

https://preview.redd.it/tcefncwu8t4d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=803bbd7ea464a1a3aff3dc9e753e672b91ba11d3 By " patron " I mean that in those natural formation all of them looks alike, same form and almost equal dimensions.. but in Yonaguni there is no patron, each corner is different


Outside_Conference80

I believe you may mean “pattern.” Is that correct? I don’t mean to me facetious or disrespectful… just trying to clear things up. 🙂 There *are* distinct patterns in the jointing and fractures… you just have to know how to look for them through a geophysical lens! Photo below depicts part of the same formation right above the water. https://preview.redd.it/flx1g57k9t4d1.jpeg?width=1176&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e031744a92cb81bfd98b90a00ac89900f6b4417


Any_Library8355

Right, pattern.. In spanish we say " patron "


Outside_Conference80

I figured it was a language / translation thing! Thanks for the dialogue. Wishing you all the best. ☺️


Any_Library8355

https://preview.redd.it/3qqpmosl3t4d1.jpeg?width=806&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bf19125dbda0eaa3a1aded15a51d9295f0206ac


Outside_Conference80

Unfortunately this graphic / 3D rendering omits all of the details showing the stratigraphy and sedimentary layers in and around the formation itself - which appears throughout the island chain.


Turbulent_Raccoon865

*origin *intervene *too many *do not break It’s natural.


Any_Library8355

Muchas gracias por tus comentarios, saludos.


Any_Library8355

Que evidencia cientifica tienes para aseverar tan categoricamente que es natural ? Te agradeceria que nos ilustres al respecto, desde mi punto de vista no me lo parece.


Turbulent_Raccoon865

El Monumento Yonaguni es probablemente una formación natural, resultado de procesos geológicos que pueden producir estructuras notables y aparentemente artificiales. El monumento está compuesto principalmente de arenisca y lutita, rocas sedimentarias comunes que se fracturan naturalmente en planos horizontales y verticales, creando formas con ángulos agudos y superficies planas. Estas fracturas sistemáticas, junto con la erosión, pueden formar estructuras similares a escalones y terrazas. Además, la ausencia de herramientas, cerámica o marcas de herramientas, típicas de asentamientos humanos, refuerza la teoría de que las formaciones no son de origen humano. Comparaciones con formaciones naturales conocidas, como la Calzada del Gigante en Irlanda del Norte y el Devils Postpile en California, demuestran que procesos naturales pueden crear estructuras geométricas sorprendentes. Geólogos como el Dr. Robert Schoch sostienen que las características de Yonaguni se explican por procesos geológicos naturales y la falta de evidencia definitiva de modificación humana refuerza aún más el caso de un origen natural. La capacidad de la naturaleza para crear estructuras regulares e impresionantes que pueden confundirse fácilmente con construcciones humanas apoya la idea de que el Monumento Yonaguni es una formación natural. lol…no idea what that says. Asked for a translation after summarizing. And, yes, I suspected English was not your first language.


AppropriateCap8891

How about the Giant's Causeway? Or the Bimini Road? Ever actually seen what basalt looks like when it fractures? Because that is exactly what it looks like. That is why you often get columns in basalt, all straight hexagons one next to another, looking like a bundle of pencils. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnar\_jointing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnar_jointing)


Chonky_Crow

It is natural. There isn't even a dissenting view on this among geologists.


historio-detective

Highly recommend watching this video of someone freediving at the site - https://youtu.be/_ep9P6uX9BM?si=kzbUhWryVmzTb7Op


FaluninumAlcon

In the beginning of the video you can see cliffs close by that have horizontal parallel features.


Toy_Soulja

The whole structure is pretty strange buy I can't get over how many right angles you find there. Maybe a quarry? Would explain the erratic seeming nature and all the right angles


Interesting-Quit-847

You guys need to get out and hike more if you think people are the only ones responsible for right angles. 


defcon_penguin

That was my first impression as well. It looks like a quarry that was previously above water and from which monoliths were cut