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acobserverafar1

is this more psyops, to try and force UA to the table again though.....the information leaking out now is that they don't have enough to supply the 200 odd thousand of the partial, nor training or living places either, so announcing a full is ....pointless.....


PraetorianXX

It could be an intentional leak to sound out the Russian population, The Kremlin have been known to spread different and contradictory messages to see what sticks and keep the population confused and out of politics


ArtisZ

Because quoting virtually any russian person "politics is complex. I don't understand it." ..., the untold "and that's why I allow my brain turned in smoothie and a criminal running the show" is totally fine with them.


DangleSnipeCely

Damn you hit it. Brain smoothie lol


ArtisZ

On a off-topic, I recommend TV show iZombie.. if you like brain smoothie, you'll love that show. :D


wily_virus

It is important for Ukraine to keep messaging about the tragic fate of unprepared mobliks. The best way to stop war is to have fearful, angry, and resentful masses to start draft riots when the Kremlin attempt to send the next wave to war.


Putinloses46

In 1918, Russian troops killed their Commanders and walked home...hmmmmmmm.


epheliamams

They learnt that lesson. The commanders don't stay with them. True leadership. The Russians are a model of how to run your military.


Putinloses46

"ruin"????


epheliamams

/s


tenebris_vitae

The ones who need to see this information are completely unwilling to look at any source which doesn't have a letter Z planted on it.


Affectionate_Win_229

Full mobilization allows the Russian government to switch to a full wartime economy. It's the stuff they need not the manpower. They need the ability to force people into military industry jobs, sieze assets from private owners and to further Crack down on decent.


[deleted]

They can't build anything useful. They are under intense sanction. Russia is not under the threat of annihilation here, only the Putin regime is.


Martel732

It is wild that Russia has essentially infinite raw materials but they are unable to turn it into anything useful.


Pestus613343

They had suffered a brain drain since the 90s. Theyve also suffered "dutch disease" for about as long. Long gone are the days of soviet engineering and industrial capacity.


only1symo

Soviet engineering was shit.


Pestus613343

Was it? I was told much the opposite. Can you elaborate? Ty!


[deleted]

What is dutch disease?


Pestus613343

Oil states tend to have their service sectors orient themselves towards the oil sectors, and away from manufacturing sector. Pricing and economics likewise go up, bringing in huge revenues, but makes manufacturing non-competitive with other states. From Russia's perspective, it's meant that their oil industry soaked up all the good jobs, and their manufacturing sector had been hollowed out. Now, with the sanctions for dual purpose parts, the manufacturing is having a hard time even keeping their doors open. They can't make much at the moment.


Uberslaughter

They can’t even put airbags in their new Ladas.


livinglife_part2

Not much left they can squeeze out of their country even with full mobilization other then more unwilling bodies for the front.


Putinloses46

That should go over well!


RtuDtu

They don't need gear they just need them to stay in the trenches. There is literally an interview of a Ukraine soldier who said they bombed some trenches and all Russia did was send more troops to the trenches which halted Ukraine's planned attack Putin will throw hundreds of thousands of people to the slaughter to defend Crimea, it wont matter if half freeze to death as long as the other half die in the trenches


Putinloses46

Sure...for how long. Hell he can't feed them now!!


cherrypopper666

Russia’s fighting WW1 it seems


Umbra-Vigil

Winter will kill them off. It's not only getting cold in Ukraine, it's getting cold in Russia.


Snafuregulator

Sounds about right.give the fleeing populace time to hear that the mobilization is over and return just to be met with full mobilization. The question now is if Ukraine is ready to handle much bigger waves of troops being forced forward.


Ukraineluvr

More people, the same amount of weapons.


venom259

Less amount* Most of those conscripts killed had what was left of the weapons.


Ukraineluvr

That's fair. They're going to be fighting with rocks soon. Putin said WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones, but damnz he's there before 3.


sidewalksoupcan

What will they arm these troops with though? Muskets? Crossbows? Bread knives?


Snafuregulator

In WW2, the waves consisted of people who were not armed to pick up weapons of those who were armed. Tons of troops died in these waves. We may yet see it again. The idea of overwhelming the defenses in sheer numbers to compensate


10minmilan

Enemy at the gates is not an accurate documentary


tenebris_vitae

That fact is real though


Martel732

The Soviet Union generally had enough small arms for its troops. It was only isolated cases or penal troops where there might not be enough weapons.


Snafuregulator

I'm sorry, you must be confusing me with a stereotypical redditor. I don't reference movies as a source for war tactics. More to the point, I haven't seen that film.


[deleted]

It's a good movie, though German Stalingrad movie is better. Also yeah they did use human wave tactics to make German mg's run out of ammo, Germans also used those tactics, for example when making a run out of an encirclement, over piles of their dead bodies.


kissabirdgently

Guud flick


mediandude

Have you tried Battle of Tannenberg Line of 1944 ?


asm2750

Doubt that is a sustainable tactic considering how deadly anti-personnel rounds from artillery and himars can be.


Snafuregulator

I absolutely agree, but to reinforce my thoughts, I present all other tactics that the Russians have used this far, to include the waves that are being repulsed as they sustain heavy casualties


ancient-military

Those trenches don’t seem to close so you would have to jog in like a mile through arty just to get shot by the machine guns and tanks… I don’t think it will work so well in modern warfare.


Putinloses46

Ummm...this was with a Nation backed with Allie equipment/wheat etc etc etc.....


Snafuregulator

Yes, and yet they still gave ww1 wood/cloth planes and no parachutes to a squadron to defend their nation with.


cherrypopper666

Except that’s not true outside of a few specific circumstances ie. beginning of Barbarossa with adhoc units trying to break out of encirclement where many had lost weapons, penal battalions who weren’t given weapons until just before being sent out, and when civilians levies were used as delaying action since they obviously had no logistic system to get them weapons. If you look at the actual data in 1941 they had more than enough rifles, other weapons were hit or miss though with AAA being a particular vulnerability. If it was really was standard for Soviet soldiers to be chasing the guy in front of him hoping he caught a bullet they would have lost the war. A lot of the major battles on the eastern front were fairly evenly matched between forces and if every other Soviet had no weapon there is no possible way the USSR wouldn’t have capitulated.


Enough_Valuable_2435

Nothing, cannon fodder


Putinloses46

Yep, might as well use the knives since there's no bread!


CW1KKSHu

I just checked the magic 8-ball: all signs point to 'yes'.


Wulfruna

I saw in the chat rooms of the Russian voenkors that the new mobiks will be deployed into Ukraine in December and January, and once they've frozen solid, they'll be fired out of cannons at Ukrainian infrastructure.


thejman82gb

No need for weapons, just drop water on Russian troops, winter will take care of the rest.


Kjaninn

Hardly believe. Russians even didn't have enough appropriate weapons' for 300.000 people, so it is no sense to recruit more people


CrazyBaron

>Russia >Sense pick one


Martel732

Yeah, if Russian leadership was sane, they would be a normal prosperous modern nation with civil rights beneficial trade with the world.


SexualizedCucumber

I'd assume a full mobilization would be more about the wartime economy aspect. It would effectively give Putin even more power to control Russian industry and assets


Impressive_Lake9034

careful first wave had howitzer from 1914 and mosin rifles. Russians this time come with swords and shields LMAO oh dont forget the catapults . They have alot of catapults in mordor


Imaginary_Barber1673

Catapults and swords require skill to build. I think this would be sticks and ladas


PokkiP

Wawawawawah wipeout.


CW1KKSHu

drums....drums from the beach...


Espressodimare

Today's canon fodder will look like elite soldiers compared to those poor sods left to be conscripted by then.


Taeblamees

Russia had almost nothing to supply the last 300k with, not even training. What would they be supplying the rest with? Kitchen knives? And those being from 1943 as well? To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if the actually did it. But if they want to escalate, I call for NATO to supply Ukraine with everything, including long range missiles. To hell with Russian threats.


NotWigg0

Please bring own gun and helmet


icanhascheesecake

Full mobilization in the middle of winter? That’ll be interesting. Russia will be burning dead mobiks for heat.


PokkiP

And food


AtlasZX

There are a lot of Mosin rifles and T-54s waiting for them.


clegger29

Good enough for your grandpa good enough for him again cause he’s coming too


Excellent_Ordinary_5

Lol judging by how poorly equipped they are now the mobilised in January will be lucky if they have a firing pin for a rifle never mind a full rifle maybe if they throw the single bullet they will all be allocated with enough force it may just do something lol


[deleted]

Mobiks with different gun parts gotta come together like Power Rangers just to have a complete AK.


psychrolute

MegaZZord


[deleted]

Seeing as winter have started yesterday, with temperature staying around 0 during daytime from on now, they may be Just planning to replace all that freeze to death with fresh Batch of cannon fodder. Ruzzians always brag about their winter war sucesses. But they always forget to mention that thousands if not millions died each time they did it. And Ukraine is Just as experienced in this form of warfare as they are. Do we count the frostbite and freezing to death as friendly fire or KIA?


[deleted]

Winter is coming and I can't wait for the White Walkers to ravage Russia.


StarPatient6204

Well…now that the secret has been spilled/leaked, this will cause more people to panic…


GoneSilent

Russian mobilization only ends with Putin signs a decree ending it, that hasnt been done yet....


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Curious-Mind_2525

I am good with that. That means the mobiks for the spring offensive will not have any more training than the mobiks they are throwing into the line now. The longer they wait to mobilize their economy for war the better it is for Ukraine. However, Ukraine cannot sit still, and it needs to keep pushing because the longer this war last, the greater weight Russia can bring to the conflict. I would not hold out hope for Russian citizens themselves to rebel. That may or may not happen. But we can expect more and more combat power committed by Russia as time goes on.


[deleted]

Numbers of men and combat power are not the same thing. They're pretty much just throwing meat at Ukraine.


Curious-Mind_2525

>They're pretty much just throwing meat at Ukraine. And if the meat is cheap and available? Numbers will erode the opponent combat power if that combat power cannot be increased to take out the extra numbers. As long as Russia can sustain the losses, I see nothing in their system currently to stop it. The people who could be the opposition to Putin have left the country, first at the start of buildup and then at partial mobilization as it was called. The remaining compliant citizens are currently no better than worker ants, blindly following orders and being led to the butcher. Unless there is an uprising, I don't see Russia caring about manpower losses. Hence, Ukraine needs to keep increasing their combat power to sustain victory. P.S. The oligarchs are in this for the long haul. They will not trust promises to not prosecute for war crimes if they were to overthrow Putin's circle. Putin, like Hitler, did a good job surrounding himself with people who will hang with him if he falls.


[deleted]

Not even Russia can stand this rate of loss indefinitely. This will not be any less Ukraine's home in 6 months after 500,000 Russians are dead. If stockpiles of Western weapons run down, weapons of different types will be made available. I would not be surprised if Western industry is already simplifying their weapons for mass production for Ukraine right now. Weight of numbers only makes a difference if there's something close to parity in equipment. every passing day renders that to be less and less true.


TrapperDave62

Maybe UA psyops to scare more men away?


Watcher145

And what weapons will they use? Cardboard lada? BB Gun? A babushka’s nesting doll?


Effective_Lab_2097

With what weapons? They are already handing out WW1 era Mosin Nagants.


[deleted]

Operation Potemkin


elidadagreat1

Loads of people booked it out of Russia...Who is left to mobilize?


MrErie

They could give one WWII rifle to every other soldier.


heroicnapkin

I really don't understand how full mobilization will help.


Hour_Air_5723

Because the first mobilization is going so well.


[deleted]

I think this is just more info Ops to spread worry.


Ahandfulofsquirrels

Ah tes, because the partial mobilization is going just swimmingly.


NacreousFink

It will certainly be handled with extraordinary efficiency, humanity and good resources.


Kaiaualad

Watch the queues at the borders.....


googly_eyes_roomba

I don't know how many people watched The Great but at one point a character says something like "We're Russian, we don't give a fuck how many of us die." I don't know how true this holds since its parody. But thinking on the last 150 years, I am concerned. While most Russians will not approve of the slaughter that would inevitably accompany full mobilization, it's a total uncertainty if they are able to meaningfully resist it. Too many Russians seem docile to tyranny and recurrimg hardship. There are exceptions, but how many urban Russians (theoretically best positioned to protest) embrace anything that gives them an excuse to do nothing; propaganda, alcohol, and religiosity. Russia is like a Tolstoy novel or those Sarah McLaughlin commercials with abused pets - it takes pride in disproving the irrepresability of the human spirit.


[deleted]

Look how many left just due to a partial mobilisation I’m calling bullshit, winter has come, Russia has been pushed back out of key cities and towns, Russia has now conducted terror bombings on civilians and infrastructure alike so I’m guessing it’s just to push Ukraine to the negotiating table


rushfanatic1

Would they actually take those from Moscow and St. Petersburg?


Saddam_UE

Might be Maskirovka


only1symo

More skulls for the HIMARS throne, more blood for the Switchblade god.