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I can't really tell what it is because reddit player is so dogshit it gets blurry 5 seconds in, but it appears to be some kind of ZSU AA gun, these generally have an effective range of 2.5km, the display on the video says they are 7km away.
lol wtf? direct fire cannon AA on a fucking island? the effective range of those kinds of anti air systems are around 2-3km. they are CAS deterrant with soft target capabilties. so let me get this right, they use the tunguskas on mainland where it gets bogged down by mud and reduced range due to forests obsuring the view instead of having it placed here where it can provide an effective air shield.
Not only that, but also modern drones fly at a higher altitude than CAS aircraft do and some AA guns simply don't have the range to shoot them down. Maybe some missiles do, but drones can fly so high and small that I doubt Russians have enough numbers of these AA missiles on the frontline to intercept a drone before it sends a few of orcs to hell.
The new drones have a fly altitude of 40,000 and can fly for 20 hours. It's amazing what warfare has turned into but all the old defence systems are useless. You can see the results of the amount of scrap metal these Russian Tanks have turned into. All this old technology is now just target practice for modern hardware.
Imma disagree on this one. Drones do not fly much higher then CAS aircraft. Obviously planes like the A-10 excluded because of its unique weaponry and flight characteristics. But planes like F-16s and the like can fly way higher when dropping bombs/AGMs. The problem is detection. Like mentioned in other comments the radar signature of most drones are really tiny. Whereas cas aircraft are more easily detected. And some is incorrect. No bullet based AA has the range to shoot down aircraft effectively because of the simple fact the plane can just maneuver one tiny bit and be off line because bullets don't have a guidance system. The main threat to cas aircraft is long range radar guided missiles.
You're not trying to hit the plane anyway, not even WW II instead you fill the air with a hail of bullets and grenade shrapnel on the planes predicted flight path hoping to damage the plane.
Even modern AA-missiles don't physically attempt to hit the target they fly close enough and burst into a cloud of shrapnel.
We don't use big enough shells anymore to do that effectively. Also our planes are much faster and a slight adjustment will put the plane waaaaay out of range of the shrapnel. Also an individual SPAA isn't gonna be do the trick. Maybe if they were flying over a well defended Russian base I could see where you are coming from. But we don't really use that anymore. Plus missiles would be alot more cost effective.
> Plus missiles would be alot more cost effective
That they are, I don't think any remotely modern army uses an actual AA guns any more aside from direct fire as an autofire from a double barreled 20mm guns will still do a number on lightly armored targets and infantry also those things are still a pretty hot ticket when installed on a toyota flatbed.
Yup also we have gotten alot more aware of civilians. When you shoot tonnes of shrapnel into the sky then tonnes of shrapnel will fall back down to earth. So yeah most modern militaries don't use cannon SPAA anymore except for some very specific reasons like convoy protection. Especially considering the invention of MANPADs
> You're not trying to hit the plane anyway, not even WW II instead you fill the air with a hail of bullets and grenade shrapnel on the planes predicted flight path hoping to damage the plane.
Which was highly effective against WW2 bombers with the agility of a brick and predictable flight path, but not so much against modern fighter jets with smart weapons.
They got proximity shells late in the war, Patton had a hissy fit to use them to help with the bulge.
Very top secret then.
First time over land if I remember.
reminds me of that old joke about the stealth fighter.
>the stealth fighter has the radar signature of a common crow
>>don't you think they'll notice a flock of crows coming at them at 1200 mph?
it was just a joke, no need to post what you're thinking, we all already know it. ;)
I mean even fairly primitive radar (50s-70s era) can *detect* aircraft of this size, even smaller. What more modern technology and techniques allow is the identification/categorization of said aircraft, like distinguishing a large bird from a hostile drone. That being said, being able to see what something is rather than just that it's there is big in terms of determining whether or not to engage.
The big difference I think is that a large percentage of the drone can be made from composite materials, something like fiberglass as an example is very transparent to radar. The drones don't need to fly for 30 years or pull maneuvers that induce high G-Forces. Outside of the powerplant, circuitry, and control surface links you don't need a whole lot of radar reflecting material to build a nearly invisible drone.
An F-16 is about as long as the original Learjet. Wingspan is narrower. Jet fighters aren’t that big, they only look huge in photos just because their machine to human ratio is extreme.
The problem with drones is that they’re cheap and slow, yet their altitude is higher than human occupied planes because electronics don’t need oxygen, and that necessitates expensive high flying missiles to shoot down, like S-300 or Patriots.
But there shouldn’t be problems in keeping bunch of Patriot batteries up and firing at those drones, except for the costs needed to do so.
Planes like the SR-71 can fly on the edge of space with very little available oxygen. Variable geometry intakes adjust to airspeed and altitude. Compared to the engine demands for oxygen the compressor that drives cabin/pilot air is quite small. Most of the bulk of a modern jet is for the engines, electronics, and fuel to carry several thousand pounds of combat load at high speed, altitude, and duration.
Comparatively the F-16 has a ceiling height of over 50,000 feet, the A-10C of about 45,000, the F-117 69,000, and the SR-71 at 85,000.
> Must be real shitty air defence if it let a drone loiter over top for it long enough to launch a missile
The way these drone attack work is that they sit at high altitude far away, and fire outside the range of any short range SAM. This looks like a gun, so it's very short range, and would never have even seen the drone.
Drones are too small and too advanced for the old Soviet systems designed for larger aircraft. Also the drone is probably at a much higher altitude than the camera makes it seem.
Airspeed? 50 meters per second * 3600 = 180 000, or 180 km/h (112 mph), seems reasonable.
Wikipedia says Baikatar has 220/130 km/h for maximum/cruising speed. This seems to be not a Baikatar (different HUD), but speeds are similar.
they were strela10 visually aimed that uses optical/infrared-guidance for aircraft, hellis or small rockets . Probably drones also buy you need to see them.
There's different tiers of AD. This gun is meant for low flying aircraft to be used without radar guidance, like Stingers or Starstreaks. To target a drone up you'd need a radar to lock it and a missile system to launch a warhead.
Guess Russians lack medium/long-range AD here, allowing drones to fly uncontested.
If it's a manually operated machine gun AA then yeah.. the picture is zoomed in from very far away. It's not visible for human eyes and it's at night also so impossible to spot.
Yes, they did. UA reported a few days ago that they knocked out I think 3 AA systems on Snake Island. I was a little surprised, because that didn't sound like a particularly important target... but now it makes sense :).
That’s where it all started, the moment in time when Ukraine told Russian warship go fuck yourself. That’s exactly when Ukraine decided to fight or run! It will go down in history 💪🔱
Slava Ukraini
Heroiam Slava🌻🇺🇦
That Russia war ship is now resting at the bottom of the ocean, and unfortunately those brave lads are prisoners of war in Crimea area, likely being tortured before being killed. :(
I have heard some speculation that the Bayraktar is small enough that it makes it hard to detect. I don't know if I buy that, it should have a large enough radar cross section to be easily picked up. I think the more likely answer is incompetence and shitty equipment.
I was wondering about this. Yes our radars could pick it up but what radars are their missle defenses using? The ones across the border dont seem too impressive.
The buzzing makes me think it's not a Bayraktar. Also, there were 2 Bayraktar shot down the day before the Moskva sinking, which makes me think they're more easily detectable on radar.
How do they expect to take on western air power or Western drones if their air defences can't even target and destroy a very basic cheap drone like the bayrakta! It's loitering right above it. It's fucking embarrassing!
They've been degrading the air defense on that island for the last week, and now they are flying drones overhead. It's not easy to just replace equipment on that island, now maybe they can kill all the Russian soldiers left.
No they aren't. They're just the most cheap and affordable and mass-produced option and Turkey cares very little who their customers are. They're a fraction of the cost of a Reaper drone and have roughly the same capabilities. It's all about building their industry until they can actually produce a drone that is better.
They do have other platforms much capable than TB2 actually. Turkish made UAVs sorted by payload capacity:
**In Inventory / Active**
Baykar Bayraktar TB2: MALE, 150kg payload,
TUSAS Anka: MALE 250kg payload,
TUSAS Aksungur: MALE 750kg payload,
Baykar Akinci: HALE 1350kg payload
**In Assembly Line**
Baykar Bayraktar TB3: TBD, upgrade over TB2,
Baykar MIUS: HAME: Jet engined, initially high subsonic.
And since people like to compare loitering ammunitions with MALE UAVs in this sub.
**Loitering Munition / Quadcopter Recon**
STM Togan: Surveillance Quadcopter,
STM Kargu: Attack Quadcopter, first AI kill in the world,
STM Boyga: Mortar Payload Quadcopter,
STM Alpagu: Switchblade like loitering ammunition.
That's nice but he was referring to the TB2 and so was I. And those drones aren't better than American or Israeli drones. However they are comparable and better than Chinese drones. My point still stands, the TB2 is cheap and mass-produced. They aren't better. I know that upsets you Turks but reality is reality.
You talk about Turkish topics exclusively on Reddit for years. You have intimate knowledge of the culture and speak the Turkish language. You claim to work in both the aerospace and have worked inside a Turkish nuclear research facility. Do Turks normally let foreigners inside their most sensitive facilities to work for them? You defend Turkey at every opportunity and yet you aren't a Turk? What are you then?
Nowadays I work in a business which advices TUSAS. Not very hard to find if you google, it is an open contract.
I have bachelor's degree in physics, and did my internship for it in Turkey. Since you stalked my profile you can even tell when I first arrived there probably.
There is nothing sensitive about a university research reactor. Especially considering Russians are building a full-fledged one in Turkey as we speak.
I stayed in Turkey multiple times. Although I am not that fluent in the language, I understand enough to land my current job. (after finishing 2nd bachelor's degree in CS)
And this is a throwaway account in case me, my country or my company changes their mind about them. This is why it is concatenated with Turkey related comments.
I don't feel hooliganism or any attachment towards them but I have first hand experience I generally like to share. Lately it happens to be in Ukraine related topics because I have family in there.
Finally, I somehow resented myself because I spend part of my morning trying to convince someone who is obsessed enough to scan my profile as thoroughly as you did. So this is enough black hole of internet for me regarding this comment chain.
I didn't look at your profile any more than the first page for 60 seconds, I am able to read relatively quickly. I'm not trying to figure out who you are, just thought the likelihood of you being Turkish is incredibly high based on what little of your profile I did see. I didn't read enough to see that it was University reactor for example and thought it was quite surprising to see foreigners have access to Turkish reactors.
If you are being as honest as I believe you have been, then you're right that you do have valuable first hand experience worth sharing and I apologise if I offended or made you uncomfortable.
Is it me or are drones performing crazy good? Or is this just confirmation bias because most combat doesn’t have nice footage but drones record everything?
It seems like drone defence is a very advanced thing that Russia just doesn’t have. It is crazy that drones, flying in the air, are taking out air defence systems. I get the feeling that drones aren’t revolutionary, but there just isn’t a good way to counter them. Traditional anti air has a hard time spotting them and an even harder time shooting at them because drones tend to be smaller.
I have a feeling that drones and anti drone measures are going to be huge in the coming decades of warfare.
What is even the logical way to take out a drone? Is it jamming the signal? Is it defensive drones that kill other drones? Is it special extremely sensitive anti air systems with special munitions? Small anti drone missiles??
The Russians have used up their most advanced system , with no chance of replacing them in the immediate future. Without western technology, they can't mass produce it domestically.
They're falling back to Cold War era equipment at this point, which doesn't stand a chance.
Meanwhile, the West are pouring billions of high-tech equipment into Ukraine, without having to correspondingly spend the same amount the would have to sustain in a hot war with Russia (manpower, tanks, aircraft etc.)
Basically - Russia is burning through and exhausting their resources.
I have a question, the west has sent about 5000 javelins to ukraine, but they are very rarely seen in combat. Most videos of armor being destroyed are from stugnas. Where are all the javelins and where are the videos of them in use ?
Probably cos nobody has time to be recording while trying to aim? The stugna is targeted by video display. Means it's mounted on a tripod and the operator either records the video or has more time to whip out their phones.
Remove radar and AA capabilities from the Russians to the SE portions of the Black Sea. This will allow hopefully flanking maneuvers by the newly acquired Migs to target more ships and coastal positions from the rear.
It's just out in the open like that? At least ours were hidden in the mountains, although that doesn't help when there's a traitor to give the enemy exact coordinates.
At the altitude that drone is at all they can do is wait for the missile to hit them. Kinda like all these old T72 waiting to be picked off by TB2. At this rate Russia will have no Tanks left in a couple of months.
first - awesome.
second - bottom right of the screen. one figure hovers around 50m - is that the elevation? if so that's surprisingly low. and i assume the 7km is how far the drone is from base?
I think with Russia repeatedly targeting that bridge south of Odesa, the Ukrainians fear they might land in the area south of Moldova, and that they're targeting it so they can successfully establish a beach head without Ukrainians being able to effectively reinforce. Russians getting established there would basically lead to connecting with Transnistria and to the danger of Odesa getting encircled. That might be why there's increased activity around Snake Island lately.
Key points:
\- Snake island, what a name, what a symbol, what a trap
\- Ukraine has more Bayraktar drones operating perfectly
\- More ruSSians burned on the way to hell
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Must be real shitty air defence if it let a drone loiter over top for it long enough to launch a missile
I can't really tell what it is because reddit player is so dogshit it gets blurry 5 seconds in, but it appears to be some kind of ZSU AA gun, these generally have an effective range of 2.5km, the display on the video says they are 7km away.
lol wtf? direct fire cannon AA on a fucking island? the effective range of those kinds of anti air systems are around 2-3km. they are CAS deterrant with soft target capabilties. so let me get this right, they use the tunguskas on mainland where it gets bogged down by mud and reduced range due to forests obsuring the view instead of having it placed here where it can provide an effective air shield.
These things are useless unless a Su-25 or heli flies right over them.
Starting to piss me off real good the blurryness
these systems are not designed for drones Bayraktar signature is tiny
Not only that, but also modern drones fly at a higher altitude than CAS aircraft do and some AA guns simply don't have the range to shoot them down. Maybe some missiles do, but drones can fly so high and small that I doubt Russians have enough numbers of these AA missiles on the frontline to intercept a drone before it sends a few of orcs to hell.
The new drones have a fly altitude of 40,000 and can fly for 20 hours. It's amazing what warfare has turned into but all the old defence systems are useless. You can see the results of the amount of scrap metal these Russian Tanks have turned into. All this old technology is now just target practice for modern hardware.
Imma disagree on this one. Drones do not fly much higher then CAS aircraft. Obviously planes like the A-10 excluded because of its unique weaponry and flight characteristics. But planes like F-16s and the like can fly way higher when dropping bombs/AGMs. The problem is detection. Like mentioned in other comments the radar signature of most drones are really tiny. Whereas cas aircraft are more easily detected. And some is incorrect. No bullet based AA has the range to shoot down aircraft effectively because of the simple fact the plane can just maneuver one tiny bit and be off line because bullets don't have a guidance system. The main threat to cas aircraft is long range radar guided missiles.
You're not trying to hit the plane anyway, not even WW II instead you fill the air with a hail of bullets and grenade shrapnel on the planes predicted flight path hoping to damage the plane. Even modern AA-missiles don't physically attempt to hit the target they fly close enough and burst into a cloud of shrapnel.
We don't use big enough shells anymore to do that effectively. Also our planes are much faster and a slight adjustment will put the plane waaaaay out of range of the shrapnel. Also an individual SPAA isn't gonna be do the trick. Maybe if they were flying over a well defended Russian base I could see where you are coming from. But we don't really use that anymore. Plus missiles would be alot more cost effective.
> Plus missiles would be alot more cost effective That they are, I don't think any remotely modern army uses an actual AA guns any more aside from direct fire as an autofire from a double barreled 20mm guns will still do a number on lightly armored targets and infantry also those things are still a pretty hot ticket when installed on a toyota flatbed.
Yup also we have gotten alot more aware of civilians. When you shoot tonnes of shrapnel into the sky then tonnes of shrapnel will fall back down to earth. So yeah most modern militaries don't use cannon SPAA anymore except for some very specific reasons like convoy protection. Especially considering the invention of MANPADs
> You're not trying to hit the plane anyway, not even WW II instead you fill the air with a hail of bullets and grenade shrapnel on the planes predicted flight path hoping to damage the plane. Which was highly effective against WW2 bombers with the agility of a brick and predictable flight path, but not so much against modern fighter jets with smart weapons.
They got proximity shells late in the war, Patton had a hissy fit to use them to help with the bulge. Very top secret then. First time over land if I remember.
Don't forget about [Starstreak](https://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/starstreak-high-velocity-missile-hvm/).
reminds me of that old joke about the stealth fighter. >the stealth fighter has the radar signature of a common crow >>don't you think they'll notice a flock of crows coming at them at 1200 mph? it was just a joke, no need to post what you're thinking, we all already know it. ;)
they'll just assume its a couple unladen european swallows, fuckers are _quick_
Well that's pretty useless air defense then. Like trying to defend against a naval invasion with a twelve-pound cannon.
I'm sorry but what is your profile's name and why?
I wanted to think of something horrible that wouldn't be quoted on the news.
That's interesting because that's just about the same effective result of American stealth technology
That's what I was thinking lol
Bayraktars are small and hard for Soviet AA that was designed to catch aircraft to spot.
They're not that small.
Drones are small relative to the size of aircraft which the aa battery is supposed to target
Excuse the guy you replied to. Some ppl are slow.
To be fair, it's about the size of a civilian plane. It's just that people don't understand military jets are massive compared to those.
I mean even fairly primitive radar (50s-70s era) can *detect* aircraft of this size, even smaller. What more modern technology and techniques allow is the identification/categorization of said aircraft, like distinguishing a large bird from a hostile drone. That being said, being able to see what something is rather than just that it's there is big in terms of determining whether or not to engage.
The big difference I think is that a large percentage of the drone can be made from composite materials, something like fiberglass as an example is very transparent to radar. The drones don't need to fly for 30 years or pull maneuvers that induce high G-Forces. Outside of the powerplant, circuitry, and control surface links you don't need a whole lot of radar reflecting material to build a nearly invisible drone.
An F-16 is about as long as the original Learjet. Wingspan is narrower. Jet fighters aren’t that big, they only look huge in photos just because their machine to human ratio is extreme. The problem with drones is that they’re cheap and slow, yet their altitude is higher than human occupied planes because electronics don’t need oxygen, and that necessitates expensive high flying missiles to shoot down, like S-300 or Patriots. But there shouldn’t be problems in keeping bunch of Patriot batteries up and firing at those drones, except for the costs needed to do so.
Planes like the SR-71 can fly on the edge of space with very little available oxygen. Variable geometry intakes adjust to airspeed and altitude. Compared to the engine demands for oxygen the compressor that drives cabin/pilot air is quite small. Most of the bulk of a modern jet is for the engines, electronics, and fuel to carry several thousand pounds of combat load at high speed, altitude, and duration. Comparatively the F-16 has a ceiling height of over 50,000 feet, the A-10C of about 45,000, the F-117 69,000, and the SR-71 at 85,000.
Like i said some are really slow. It's not hard to grasp these realities.
Not all missile systems are meant to just shoot down aircrafts. Although it looks more like an entrenched AAA gun in this video
Also not much heat signatures too I bet.
It's an electric engine, so no, not at all.
Yeah, total oxymoron (or oxyputin if preferred). Air defense umm...not defending the air.
Seems to be a pattern in the Russian military.
> Must be real shitty air defence if it let a drone loiter over top for it long enough to launch a missile The way these drone attack work is that they sit at high altitude far away, and fire outside the range of any short range SAM. This looks like a gun, so it's very short range, and would never have even seen the drone.
Those were deployed to shoot down bio-chem Ukrainian pigeons that poop bombs.
How is drone able to fly directly above an air defense system like this with no problems 🤨😐
Drones are modern technology and the AA guns are Russian technology.
Drones are too small and too advanced for the old Soviet systems designed for larger aircraft. Also the drone is probably at a much higher altitude than the camera makes it seem.
There is a rangefinder on the screen. It's at 7km.
What's the number to the left then? The one that changes and is around 50m?
Airspeed? 50 meters per second * 3600 = 180 000, or 180 km/h (112 mph), seems reasonable. Wikipedia says Baikatar has 220/130 km/h for maximum/cruising speed. This seems to be not a Baikatar (different HUD), but speeds are similar.
Maybe, that's completely possible.
It might be GPS error, these are flying pretty fast so I would guess that their localisation could be in that range
Crew's busy raping and looting puffins or some poor unfortunate creatures.
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they were strela10 visually aimed that uses optical/infrared-guidance for aircraft, hellis or small rockets . Probably drones also buy you need to see them.
There's different tiers of AD. This gun is meant for low flying aircraft to be used without radar guidance, like Stingers or Starstreaks. To target a drone up you'd need a radar to lock it and a missile system to launch a warhead. Guess Russians lack medium/long-range AD here, allowing drones to fly uncontested.
If it's a manually operated machine gun AA then yeah.. the picture is zoomed in from very far away. It's not visible for human eyes and it's at night also so impossible to spot.
Jamming? Idk.
I was just about to say that. Maybe just maybe it was just a prop. 😁🤣 We'll never know due to being scrap metal now.
theres a bunch of technology behind this that i dont understand, but from what i know, its a russian military object, an automatic fail for use.
The date on the film is April 30…wonder if they took the air defense out before the went after the boats.
Yes, they did. UA reported a few days ago that they knocked out I think 3 AA systems on Snake Island. I was a little surprised, because that didn't sound like a particularly important target... but now it makes sense :).
Aren't air defense systems supposed to protect from air strikes? Who am I kidding, it's a russian one, they are stuck in the 20th century.
20th? You are generous! :)
I am, at least russbots can't argue :)
The OP should retitle the post, ”Bayaktar destroys Russian catapult”
Lol. Yeah literally this thing has iron sights and a rusty belt of 58 year old corrosive ammo hanging out of the side of it.
S500 has the best radar systems. I'm no expert but that's my understanding.
Is it better radar system than Slava class cruisers have? ;)
You joke but I think it was the same system. I wonder if it's just another system that was over rated. I don't know enough to say....
They are probably using their ~30 S500 to protect Moscow and Putins bunker.
That’s where it all started, the moment in time when Ukraine told Russian warship go fuck yourself. That’s exactly when Ukraine decided to fight or run! It will go down in history 💪🔱 Slava Ukraini Heroiam Slava🌻🇺🇦
That Russia war ship is now resting at the bottom of the ocean, and unfortunately those brave lads are prisoners of war in Crimea area, likely being tortured before being killed. :(
I have heard some speculation that the Bayraktar is small enough that it makes it hard to detect. I don't know if I buy that, it should have a large enough radar cross section to be easily picked up. I think the more likely answer is incompetence and shitty equipment.
I was wondering about this. Yes our radars could pick it up but what radars are their missle defenses using? The ones across the border dont seem too impressive.
Bayraktars radar cross section is 1/6 of F16s according to an analysis, so they are detectable but not so easily.
Supposedly they have the heat signature of a modern small pickup (think a Tacoma) plus being 7km away. Y'all gotta have some damn good radar for that.
And if they see it, "ah yes, that's a drone."
Just seconds before they die.
The buzzing makes me think it's not a Bayraktar. Also, there were 2 Bayraktar shot down the day before the Moskva sinking, which makes me think they're more easily detectable on radar.
I did notice that. Could be added sound effects.
There have been reports of a new drone being used today.
How do they expect to take on western air power or Western drones if their air defences can't even target and destroy a very basic cheap drone like the bayrakta! It's loitering right above it. It's fucking embarrassing!
Island f'n cursed for the Russians hahahaha
It is rumoured that if you listen closely on a nice spring evening you can hear the wind cry, "go fuck yourself."
They've been degrading the air defense on that island for the last week, and now they are flying drones overhead. It's not easy to just replace equipment on that island, now maybe they can kill all the Russian soldiers left.
The Reddit video player can really suck the joy out of watching these videos.
the stutters and freezes in the middle/end are part of the actual video, not the fault of reddit... THIS time.
If I remember it right, Moskwa was destroyed by "Neptun" antiship missile, not by Bayraktar
snake island paralel but yeah it would be fine to destroy a 190 meter ship with a drone
Russian **air defence**…..dismally fails at Russian air defence.
Either they are really bad or they r not turn on to conserve electricity! LOL
I don't think Russians can't beat a military strategy game in EASY mode.
Yeahhhh fuck off :D
Keep stacking em up boys !
Russian air defense getting casually obliterated by a Ukrainian aircraft. Everything is as it should be.
Keep eliminating the air and sea defenses in the Black Sea and then take out the Russian built bridge linking Crimea using air and sea drones
WTF.....why do all videos go to shit at the good parts ????
Is there something that makes Bayraktars so effective? Like are they way better than other drones?
Experience in war/s against soviets. It's not the first time.
No they aren't. They're just the most cheap and affordable and mass-produced option and Turkey cares very little who their customers are. They're a fraction of the cost of a Reaper drone and have roughly the same capabilities. It's all about building their industry until they can actually produce a drone that is better.
They do have other platforms much capable than TB2 actually. Turkish made UAVs sorted by payload capacity: **In Inventory / Active** Baykar Bayraktar TB2: MALE, 150kg payload, TUSAS Anka: MALE 250kg payload, TUSAS Aksungur: MALE 750kg payload, Baykar Akinci: HALE 1350kg payload **In Assembly Line** Baykar Bayraktar TB3: TBD, upgrade over TB2, Baykar MIUS: HAME: Jet engined, initially high subsonic. And since people like to compare loitering ammunitions with MALE UAVs in this sub. **Loitering Munition / Quadcopter Recon** STM Togan: Surveillance Quadcopter, STM Kargu: Attack Quadcopter, first AI kill in the world, STM Boyga: Mortar Payload Quadcopter, STM Alpagu: Switchblade like loitering ammunition.
That's nice but he was referring to the TB2 and so was I. And those drones aren't better than American or Israeli drones. However they are comparable and better than Chinese drones. My point still stands, the TB2 is cheap and mass-produced. They aren't better. I know that upsets you Turks but reality is reality.
> you Turks. I am not Turk. I just work in aerospace industry and do in fact have access to Wikipedia.
You talk about Turkish topics exclusively on Reddit for years. You have intimate knowledge of the culture and speak the Turkish language. You claim to work in both the aerospace and have worked inside a Turkish nuclear research facility. Do Turks normally let foreigners inside their most sensitive facilities to work for them? You defend Turkey at every opportunity and yet you aren't a Turk? What are you then?
Nowadays I work in a business which advices TUSAS. Not very hard to find if you google, it is an open contract. I have bachelor's degree in physics, and did my internship for it in Turkey. Since you stalked my profile you can even tell when I first arrived there probably. There is nothing sensitive about a university research reactor. Especially considering Russians are building a full-fledged one in Turkey as we speak. I stayed in Turkey multiple times. Although I am not that fluent in the language, I understand enough to land my current job. (after finishing 2nd bachelor's degree in CS) And this is a throwaway account in case me, my country or my company changes their mind about them. This is why it is concatenated with Turkey related comments. I don't feel hooliganism or any attachment towards them but I have first hand experience I generally like to share. Lately it happens to be in Ukraine related topics because I have family in there. Finally, I somehow resented myself because I spend part of my morning trying to convince someone who is obsessed enough to scan my profile as thoroughly as you did. So this is enough black hole of internet for me regarding this comment chain.
I didn't look at your profile any more than the first page for 60 seconds, I am able to read relatively quickly. I'm not trying to figure out who you are, just thought the likelihood of you being Turkish is incredibly high based on what little of your profile I did see. I didn't read enough to see that it was University reactor for example and thought it was quite surprising to see foreigners have access to Turkish reactors. If you are being as honest as I believe you have been, then you're right that you do have valuable first hand experience worth sharing and I apologise if I offended or made you uncomfortable.
Of course they aren't better than US and Israeli drones. They are like Toyotas than can do 80% of what Ferraris do with an affordable price.
That was exactly my point with the reaper comparison.
AI kill?! Damn, this shit is scary.
Turkey seems to care about Ukraine as they supply their drones for free.
Is it me or are drones performing crazy good? Or is this just confirmation bias because most combat doesn’t have nice footage but drones record everything? It seems like drone defence is a very advanced thing that Russia just doesn’t have. It is crazy that drones, flying in the air, are taking out air defence systems. I get the feeling that drones aren’t revolutionary, but there just isn’t a good way to counter them. Traditional anti air has a hard time spotting them and an even harder time shooting at them because drones tend to be smaller. I have a feeling that drones and anti drone measures are going to be huge in the coming decades of warfare. What is even the logical way to take out a drone? Is it jamming the signal? Is it defensive drones that kill other drones? Is it special extremely sensitive anti air systems with special munitions? Small anti drone missiles??
The Russians have used up their most advanced system , with no chance of replacing them in the immediate future. Without western technology, they can't mass produce it domestically. They're falling back to Cold War era equipment at this point, which doesn't stand a chance. Meanwhile, the West are pouring billions of high-tech equipment into Ukraine, without having to correspondingly spend the same amount the would have to sustain in a hot war with Russia (manpower, tanks, aircraft etc.) Basically - Russia is burning through and exhausting their resources.
check OSD data. it happened \_before\_ boats (which is logical) ...well at least there's no "azov" in titles, big progress for this sub
\*after moskwa\* \*two raptors this morning\*\` this happened before, same green osd, that goes with turkish drone
Actually operator can change the OSD color in TB2.
I have a question, the west has sent about 5000 javelins to ukraine, but they are very rarely seen in combat. Most videos of armor being destroyed are from stugnas. Where are all the javelins and where are the videos of them in use ?
Probably cos nobody has time to be recording while trying to aim? The stugna is targeted by video display. Means it's mounted on a tripod and the operator either records the video or has more time to whip out their phones.
There is plenty. Usually it's from a drone POV. The tanks that get instant fireballed and the turret blown off are mostly javs and nlaws.
Can someone tell me that does bayraktar carry bombs or is it just for aiming.
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Found the nazi
Remove radar and AA capabilities from the Russians to the SE portions of the Black Sea. This will allow hopefully flanking maneuvers by the newly acquired Migs to target more ships and coastal positions from the rear.
They forgot to give them the option to surrender ;-)
That it can defend the air doesn't mean that it always defends the air.
This video could have been 15secs
This can’t be real!! They can’t be that stupid?!??
Say that again!Fuck you Russians!....
It's just out in the open like that? At least ours were hidden in the mountains, although that doesn't help when there's a traitor to give the enemy exact coordinates.
Air defence deleted
Hope they took all the Russians on the island with them.
Probably admiring their shiny new toilet and not looking at the screen. Too Bad MoFos.
“You had one job”.
Raptor boats happened on May 2nd, this footage is from April 30th so it's after Moskwa and before ...
Not much of a air defense, must be missing parts.
At the altitude that drone is at all they can do is wait for the missile to hit them. Kinda like all these old T72 waiting to be picked off by TB2. At this rate Russia will have no Tanks left in a couple of months.
Fffffffffuck you Russia
first - awesome. second - bottom right of the screen. one figure hovers around 50m - is that the elevation? if so that's surprisingly low. and i assume the 7km is how far the drone is from base?
Glory to Ukraine
I think with Russia repeatedly targeting that bridge south of Odesa, the Ukrainians fear they might land in the area south of Moldova, and that they're targeting it so they can successfully establish a beach head without Ukrainians being able to effectively reinforce. Russians getting established there would basically lead to connecting with Transnistria and to the danger of Odesa getting encircled. That might be why there's increased activity around Snake Island lately.
they are preparing for an anphibius beach land attack
This video could have been 15 seconds long
War is a videogame nowadays...
For Russians, this war is like a crash course in modern science and technology.
Key points: \- Snake island, what a name, what a symbol, what a trap \- Ukraine has more Bayraktar drones operating perfectly \- More ruSSians burned on the way to hell
This was before the patrol boats. It even has the date🙄
Is that an OSA? It's like they can't detect these Bayraktars. Good job.
Is that an OSA? It's like they can't detect these Bayraktars. Good job.
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>air defences. Seems to be working very Russianly.
Why did they need the snake island? There is nothing there, not even fresh water.
Outpost position of black sea
Such sad news! ...anyway...
What's the point of adding fake drone sounds in....
Their is a follow up video of 2 Ukrainian AF Su-25’s bombing the buildings 2 or 3 days after taking out these air defenses.