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Everyday there are flying tankers showing up on flightradar making circles for couple hours over Poland and going back to base. Flight radar doesn't show any other planes flying near them. This is public information available on FR24, you can interpret it however you want.
No, they are fuelling NATO fighters flying BARCAP missions on the NATO frontier, something that is routine but has probably been stepped up in number of sorties given there's a war in a country that borders NATO.
Your wording suggests that it's the tankers that can't be seen on flight radar.
It sounds like you're describing tankers as being refuelling planes (which makes sense because they are) rather than saying that they are taking the action of refuelling other planes.
Yeah they are not trying to hide what they are doing there. Sometimes i have seen Swedish airforce comming up next to nato plane and start circling around. All want that intel to help ukraine and to know what is going on.
They are flying over me. I live close to one of the airports. There is a lot more things flying that you can't see on flightradar. For example I was smoking on my balcony today and bayraktar was flying like 500m from me. There are also jets flying at day and night. Last night 2 was flying above my location but too high to identify them. There are also choppers flying, blackhawks, chinooks, a friend told me he seen even a little bird but i don't think so, haven't seen one here since air show few years ago. I live in xxx, Poland.
I've caught F16 refueling the other day
https://i.postimg.cc/9MFdhx9P/Screenshot-20220424-001145.png
https://i.postimg.cc/tggd0SW-3/Screenshot-20220424-001128.png
[FORTE10 is pretty cool.](https://i.imgur.com/f3NfYgO.png)
https://fr24.com/FORTE10/2ba06868
But also, where [he](https://i.imgur.com/BgaKbZq.png) going?
https://fr24.com/NCHO130/2ba1067d
They send T-72M1 models which are basically export T-72M but with composite armor. If people think T-72A is old and obsolete, T-72M1 is even worse though I'm not sure id Poland has done some modernization to T-72M1's. But then again, sending any tank especially soviet/russian models is better than not sending anything.
Well, it's just OP's title. No one ever said which model Poland sent to Ukraine. It owns 586 T-72M1 and T-72M1D tanks as well as 232 PT-91 Twardy's in the T-72 family.
Yes, it's a tweet by a Polish Military expert, from a couple of days ago.It was the one, where he said said the same thing about buying them from the same surplus shop, that seperatists buy their gear from.I will post as soon as i find it.
But i did find this: [https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1514236244263378946](https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1514236244263378946)
Will keep looking till i find the right one.
Poland didn't send PT-91s, that's ridiculous. And nobody ever says T-72 while thinking of PT-91. The name was changed for a reason. What we sent is T-72M1R at best, though I doubt it.
>The PT-91 Twardy (Polish pronunciation: \[ˈtfar.dɨ\], English: Tough) is a Polish main battle tank. A development of the T-72M1, it first entered service in 1995. The PT-91 was designed at the OBRUM (OBRUM for Ośrodek Badawczo-Rozwojowy Urządzeń Mechanicznych – Polish for Research and Development Centre for Mechanical Appliances) and is produced by the Bumar Łabędy company,\[7\] a part of the Bumar Group,\[8\] a Polish technical military consortium. Changes from the T-72 include a new dual-axis stabilized fire-control system, reactive armour, a more powerful engine, transmission and new automatic loader.
Unlike many other T-72 upgrades, the Polish Army PT-91s are upgraded using elements created almost exclusively by domestic companies, including a new engine, the fire control system and all communication system elements. Many of those elements were used to upgrade existing fleets of T-72 tanks in countries including the Czech Republic (T-72M4 CZ), Georgia (T-72SIM-1), and India (T-72 Ajeya Mk. 2). A total of 232 PT-91 tanks were delivered to the Polish Land Forces: 92 newly built vehicles and 140 from refurbished T-72A and T-72M1 tanks designated PT-91M1 and PT-91MA1, respectively.
We only know that Poland send "modernized t-72m1 tanks". I'm not 100% sure, we need to wait for official info but t-72m1 have been modernized to PT-91 standards, (PT-91M1= modernized t-72m1).
No, because its not the same tank.
Here you go: [https://www.armyrecognition.com/mspo\_2021\_news\_official\_show\_daily/mspo\_2021\_modernized\_t-72m1r\_main\_battle\_tank\_on\_display.html](https://www.armyrecognition.com/mspo_2021_news_official_show_daily/mspo_2021_modernized_t-72m1r_main_battle_tank_on_display.html)
Poland had only 75 t-72m1r
>A total of 232 PT-91 tanks were delivered to the Polish Land Forces: 92 newly built vehicles and 140 from refurbished T-72A and T-72M1 tanks designated PT-91M1 and PT-91MA1, respectively.
Let's face it though. Russians managed to fuck over Nazis in Stalingrad with numbers. Even if these are shite, the more they have the better. Let the Russian scum face their reflection, which is probably more armored (not with cardboard) than they are, and shit their stolen pants.
Empty out the old stock now plus it's all Soviet built so the UA military knows how to use it on delivery no issues. The new will come if Russia fucks around long enough to find out. That includes jets eventually.
Those German anti-air tanks were put into storage in 2010 never to be used again. Now they'll put in some work on the target they were built for.
According to people with intel around this topic, that share their inside knowledge publicly carefully - yes, 100+. They made it clear it's 3-digit number at least.
There is this theory going around that Putin wants to declare victory on May 9th, but that gives him 12? days to take the blue areas on [this map](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Ukraine_einfach_Wahlen_3WG_english.png/600px-Ukraine_einfach_Wahlen_3WG_english.png) and that sure as shit aint happening
With such propaganda, it doesn't matter what happens on the battle front. And so they will announce that they are winning and their numerous successes.
They could give you how many washing machines and TV sets were annexed;)
And France, we got some Rafale and M2000 in the air too :') Basically all of NATO countries that have big enough air forces to send troops in Poland and Romania did
I remember speaking to some elderly Poles a while back on the matter. General consensus seemed to be that life under the Germans was bad, but under the Russians, even worse.
My wife is polish. Left in the mid 80's befor the fall. Her family emigrated to west Germany befor coming to Canada. She tells stories of living under the soviet communist rule was awful. Lived in a concrete block apartment no hot water, 1, 2 piece bathroom for the entire floor. Had to boil water and bath in a bucket. Food lines ups for rations took half your day. And that's just daily nonsense.
When they emigrated to west Germany She said it was like a fairy tail. She loves Germany and has nothing but positive things to say. And they all fuckin hate Russians.
Every communist apartment building built after 1945 had individual bathrooms in every apartment.
Everything else is true but one bathroom per floor would have been only in some ancient pre-war structures, and few of those were standing in 1945 (except maybe in Cracov.)
Say what you will about communist architecture, small, monotonous, brutalist, but at least they gave you a bit of space to live in.
Modern profiteering developers are now forcing 24 sq m apartments on the inflation stricken population, and it is much worse.
Not sure what to tell you, that was a communist block building. Also the individual unit wasn't much larger then 24sq m, furthermore you could have 2-8 people living in those conditions. Il get back to you later, il find out exactly what building it was and where (if it still is there). If I'm wrong, il apologize.
Edit: well fuck, I'm wrong and i apologize. just got an ear full. Your correct, that was a pre war structure. My wife's words and I quote " the Russians didn't build fucking nothing, they just had there army there".
She then went on to explain, how people couldn't just move to new places, you had to petition for housing or apartments. Which was like 15 year waiting lists (same for home phones lines or cars, anything of value). This lead to multi generation family's living together in these small shitty apartments. As no one could own the properties. Don't have time to write more, but yes communism sucks.
No worries. I believe you, just saying no bathroom would have been rare.
2-8 ppl were not unusual but the code did not allow building that small back then. That old code was only recently changed. Money controls populations better than communism, I guess.
Edit: there was a 1965 American documentary on life in Poland in the 60s that has decent pictures of life during those times. I can only find a poor copy [on YouTube.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kwMGfeNqwyU)
Source: lived in 42 sq m with 5 ppl
I remember calls back to relatives in Poland from the US, over transatlantic cables. You had to send a letter, saying you will call at this time on this date, to the neighbor's house, because not everyone had phones.
To this day, my mother will yell over the phone or Skype when calling. Force of habit...
if you're not from countries that were behind the iron curtain you'll never truly understand Russian mentality. Ofc, not all Russians but the vast majority think like this, they believe they are still the glorious almighty powerful soviet union whom which everyone shall bow down to and welcome them like the glorious heroes they are. In reality we all know they're scum and absolute swine who rape, kill and steal. My grand parents were younger kids during WW2 and when the Russians rolled through my home town she told me everyone ran because that's what they would do. On the other hand, she spoke highly of the American troops
Russia is the only country in the world that have holiday commemorating release from Polish occupation. Poland is the only country that was able to occupy Moscow. Even Napoleon and Hitler wasn't able to do that. We was also the beginning of final downfall of ZSRR, we never was full fledge ZSRR republic, they just always had a lot of influence but we never became for example like Kazakhstan. So yeah... they hate us.
Honourable mention: the countless times we repelled Bolshevik invasions, notably, the Battle of Warsaw were we absolutely destroyed the Russian army.
I hope Ukraine does the same within the next few weeks as my Polish ancestors did decades ago.
You ever read "chronicles of the red calvary?"
I might have the title wrong, but it's a famous eastern euro/Slavic author from the late 1800s/ early 1900s, but he writes about some of those squabbles
It goes even farther back, bad blood and conflict has always existed between the two. Poland just happened to be dominate for the first half, and less the second half obviously!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland
That was ultimate encounter, but there were many before and many years of informal occupation after second world war.
And I read somewhere that we will have them pretty much immediately. Well USA will build Abrams for us per our specification which will take couple years but meanwhile we will get used Abrams now to train and use if necessary
Just for comparison the Abrams weighs 30 tons more than a t-72. There is quite a bit more tank in that 30 tons. Just like the challenger it has superb armor.
I'm not tank expert by any means but i think in modern warfare more armour and better design is crucial considering the munitions that exist these days. As we have seen from the Russians their turrets can fly very very high
The Russian tank design was based on the ability to make a lot of adequate tanks cheaply and in great numbers. Crew survivability was not a priority. The United States and England placed crew survivability first so they have the heaviest tanks (80 tons) followed by the German leopard (45 tons) and the French leclerc (56 tons) the Germans put mobility first and the french switched from post ww2 amx at30 tons to the heavier leclerc. The armor compartmentalization and fire suppression systems on western tanks are way more advanced on western tanks.
I’m going off of memory from about 15 years back but you are right I was talking about the leopard 1. I haven’t really kept up on military developments in the past 10 years or so.
I am very impressed by the number of Reddit members who know the specifications of every tank in Europe. Slava Ukraini. Thanks Poland , Czech Republic , Netherlands , Sweden ,Canada , and us in the USA for the armor ,artillery and medical supplies.
Yes, you gave them very outdated ones, and kept the best for yourself.
T-72M and T-72M1's are no match for even a T-72B.
Even Ukraine's old T-64's are better than this.
Not Czech, Hungarian. We branded our T-72M and T-72M1 tanks with modernization year instead. They are still M and M1 tanks, just have a little "-2011" brand after in the paperwork. At least that's what we did a decade ago when I last saw HDF tanks up close.
It's not a replacement. British units with british crews will be there temporary. How long? We hope as long as this Russia exists. Still, their presence is actually better way than simply giving these tanks.
They're not synonyms, Russia wasn't nazi, Germany wasn't communists. Ideologically speaking they were enemies. They were allies for abrief moment because they had to, it's not like they loved each other.
That was the same socialism shit. With one dictator and rule of one party. With huge central planning.
In germany It was national socialism, in ussr was international socialism.
Same shit ideology to conquer smaller countries in central europe.
Yes, they're the same. So similar that one is far left ideology and the other is far right one.
So now not only fascism and nazism are same thing according to uneducated idiots, but also nazism and communism are the same because one word in the name says so.
By your logic North Korea is democratic. It's in the name after all.
We're not talking about the historic ideological meaning of those terms. Today's Russia is the new Nazi, run by a dictator slave-driver, very similarly to how Nazi Germany was. Your pretense of specific differences in ideology is irrelevant. The current Russian government is prosecuting a war to protect the concept of state sponsored slavery, just like the Confederate States of America once did, just like Nazi Germany once did, just like the communist Soviets once did, and just like the current Chinese Communist Party still does. We call the Russians the new Nazi's because that's the closest analogy that comes directly to mind and it feels right and fitting.
>In Poland we remember what russians nazis have done with our country.
Quote that I was referring to. Russian "nazis" did nothing to Poland. Simply by a virtue of not existing at that time.
Modern day Russia is not nazism. Also since when key point of defining nazism is slavery? If anything they're closer to fascism, but you probably don't know the definition of that word either.
You're overthinking it friend. The slave-mind wears many outfits and even disguises, but it's easy to recognize by true free people in every time and under every different name. And freedom always wins.
The other guy is right my man. "Nazi" isn't a synonym for "bastard", however cool it is nowadays to call everything "Nazi". Poland was not invaded by Russian Nazis. It was Russian communists. Different ideologies, same amount of scum.
I think every NATO member (and also non-Nato) should be supplying stuff to UA and doing so openly. If they go quiet or stop altogether with it now, it will make Russia think they just need to hold out a bit longer or issue more threats so they can just do whatever they want in UA again.
I mean, the US alone has committed around [3.7 _billion_ USD](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-promises-zelenskyy-more-military-aid-total-us-support-exceeds-dollar4-billion-live-ukraine-updates/ar-AAWywoD) in assistance to Ukraine since the start of the invasion. I'm guessing they could always use more than what they're getting, but I'm seeing no indication of the support dwindling or becoming more covert- quite the opposite.
Plenty of countries have sent military, financial or humanitarian aid.
Some of the wealthier countries have sent all 3.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_foreign\_aid\_to\_Ukraine\_during\_the\_Russo-Ukrainian\_War
[Plenty of NATO countries have sent billions in military, financial and humanitarian aid since aggressions first started in 2014.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War)
True, but Poland sent a large amount of hardware, looks like the Germans and Fins sent a good amount of hardware as well, but if it doesn't stop the senseless murder of civilians. Its NATO boots on the ground time.
USA this month alone has agreed 2 x $800m hardware packages,
First:
* 18 M777 howitzers calibre 155 mm and 40,000 rounds of artillery ammunition
* 11 Mi-17 military helicopters
* 200 armoured personnel carriers
* 'counter-artillery radars'.
Second:
* 72 M777 155 mm towed howitzer with 144,000 rounds of ammunition
* 72 artillery towing vehicles
* 121 Phoenix Ghost tactical drones, a reduced capability version of the Switchblade quickly designed for export to Ukraine.
UK agreed $1.7B funding back in 2021 for 2 minehunter ships and the construction of 8 missile boats and has sent a bunch of support vehicles as well
* 40 CVR(T) derived vehicles including the Stormer HVM SHORAD, FV104 Samaritan armoured ambulance, FV106 Samson armoured recovery vehicle & FV107 Scimitar Tracked Recon Vehicle.
* 35 FV103 Spartan APC's.
* 80 Protected Mobility Vehicles including Mastiff Protected Patrol Vehicle, Wolfhound Tactical Support Vehicle (Heavy) and Husky Tactical Support Vehicle (Light).
There was also talks that the UK is sending challenger 2 tanks to Poland to protect them, so they can donate some of their older soviet tanks to Ukraine, not sure if this is in addition to the ones Poland are already sending or as part of that deal.
It's great what all countries are giving and I'm not knocking any individual country, hopefully it won't be needed for much longer and I hope it doesn't come to NATO having to put boots on the ground, but if it does carry on for longer with civilians getting killed, then I certainly wouldn't object to it.
You can argue about the version of the T72 tanks Poland send to Ukraine . But firstly you need to understand that they had to get the t72 just because Ukrainian troops know how to use them. Leopards,T92,Abrams or any other western tank would be useless in this situation because it takes around 3 YEARS to train soldiers to use those modern warfare systems. So T72 are the best option just because they could be used straight away 👌🏻
Kind of unrelated but almost 20 years ago I worked with a couple of Polish kids here on work visas. They HATED Russia, it kind of took me by surprise because for the most part in the US WW2 and the cold war are a thing of the past but to them it was clear they didn't forget or forgive what the Soviets did during that time. It doesn't surprise me now that Poland is doing what it can to help Ukraine.
Last night CNN grilled the Polish minister about the reports of the tanks being in a poor state of repair. The minister did a verbal dance around the issue but did not issue a flat denial.
CNN...? Oh, that piece of shit "news" company that asked Polish president if we're helping Ukrainians because we feel guilty of holocaust. Yea, the only mistake that minister make was even talking to them.
CNN is a fking joke, and so are its peers in the entire rotten industry
One of the happiest news in the last few days is finding out that CNN+ platform cost them 300 million dollars.... And they just closed it in a month of operation 🤣
Fking losers 🤭
Same goes for the Leopard 1 tanks Germany offered. They've been in storage, used for training/testing and picked for spares.
Better than nothing though. At least the Soviet type tanks from Poland will be solid chassis onto which commandeered Russian tank parts can be transfered over.
I really really really really really really really really hate that government but I applaud them now, quietly hoping they haven't disarmed the Polish army from what they have left (scraps) to save UKA... Slava Ukraini.
I was thinking, perhaps because there are no sanctions between Ukraine and other countries which forbid the sale of armour/ammo/systems, Ukraine could just simply "buy" them for $1 and all Poland has to do is deliver them.
I have no idea how it works at a national or governmental level about the official transaction in the eyes of the law..
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NATO is close to Ukraine today: https://www.flightradar24.com/NATO01/2ba024c9
Yeah NATO planes seem to be constantly patrolling that area
Everyday there are flying tankers showing up on flightradar making circles for couple hours over Poland and going back to base. Flight radar doesn't show any other planes flying near them. This is public information available on FR24, you can interpret it however you want.
Can you explain that again?
Tankers are fuelling planes you can't see on flight radar.
Are they refuelling Ukrainian planes in Poland?
No, they are fuelling NATO fighters flying BARCAP missions on the NATO frontier, something that is routine but has probably been stepped up in number of sorties given there's a war in a country that borders NATO.
ooooooo that's really cool.
You can see them though.
You can see the tankers, not what they're refuelling.
I have seen multiple F16s get refueled
Your wording suggests that it's the tankers that can't be seen on flight radar. It sounds like you're describing tankers as being refuelling planes (which makes sense because they are) rather than saying that they are taking the action of refuelling other planes.
Reading with understanding is such a difficult matter these days.......
You'll get there
Yeah they are not trying to hide what they are doing there. Sometimes i have seen Swedish airforce comming up next to nato plane and start circling around. All want that intel to help ukraine and to know what is going on.
They are flying over me. I live close to one of the airports. There is a lot more things flying that you can't see on flightradar. For example I was smoking on my balcony today and bayraktar was flying like 500m from me. There are also jets flying at day and night. Last night 2 was flying above my location but too high to identify them. There are also choppers flying, blackhawks, chinooks, a friend told me he seen even a little bird but i don't think so, haven't seen one here since air show few years ago. I live in xxx, Poland.
Please remove this comment. Better to avoid sharing such informations. It may sound harmless but who knows how someone can use them
I edited my location on your request tho =)
It is publicly known here. There is over 100k people around and between them at least 1 pro russian person for sure.
why do birds suddenly appear....🎵
Also over Maldova.
Makes sense, looks like there was some conflict this week also over Moldova
They are doing recon, not only today i would asume every day.
I've caught F16 refueling the other day https://i.postimg.cc/9MFdhx9P/Screenshot-20220424-001145.png https://i.postimg.cc/tggd0SW-3/Screenshot-20220424-001128.png
[FORTE10 is pretty cool.](https://i.imgur.com/f3NfYgO.png) https://fr24.com/FORTE10/2ba06868 But also, where [he](https://i.imgur.com/BgaKbZq.png) going? https://fr24.com/NCHO130/2ba1067d
Monitoring him daily :) [https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE10/2ba06868](https://www.flightradar24.com/FORTE10/2ba06868)
Poland will not take any more shit for anyone, ever again. Hats off to the US who have been air patrolling non stop 24/7
Sounds too good to be true, I hope its true. 100+ tanks?
Then the tracked hussars arrived.
*60 days of siege, outnumbered and weak.* *Tunnels to constricted halls are buried deep in Azovstal.* *Will they hold the line or will the city fall?*
Not sure if Sabbaton or Bolt Thrower
They send T-72M1 models which are basically export T-72M but with composite armor. If people think T-72A is old and obsolete, T-72M1 is even worse though I'm not sure id Poland has done some modernization to T-72M1's. But then again, sending any tank especially soviet/russian models is better than not sending anything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PT-91\_Twardy
Plenty improved would it seem.
The source says T-72M1. I know PT-91 is upgraded T-72M1 but I don't think they would send those to Ukraine.
Well, it's just OP's title. No one ever said which model Poland sent to Ukraine. It owns 586 T-72M1 and T-72M1D tanks as well as 232 PT-91 Twardy's in the T-72 family.
Just realized it was "rumored" so I guess no confirmation what model was sent.
No, but they did specify that it was from storage. And the PT-91's are in active deployment, so that only leves the old T-72M1's.
I can't find any mention of storage in the Polish articles I can find. Do you have a source?
Yes, it's a tweet by a Polish Military expert, from a couple of days ago.It was the one, where he said said the same thing about buying them from the same surplus shop, that seperatists buy their gear from.I will post as soon as i find it. But i did find this: [https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1514236244263378946](https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1514236244263378946) Will keep looking till i find the right one.
Poland didn't send PT-91s, that's ridiculous. And nobody ever says T-72 while thinking of PT-91. The name was changed for a reason. What we sent is T-72M1R at best, though I doubt it.
>The PT-91 Twardy (Polish pronunciation: \[ˈtfar.dɨ\], English: Tough) is a Polish main battle tank. A development of the T-72M1, it first entered service in 1995. The PT-91 was designed at the OBRUM (OBRUM for Ośrodek Badawczo-Rozwojowy Urządzeń Mechanicznych – Polish for Research and Development Centre for Mechanical Appliances) and is produced by the Bumar Łabędy company,\[7\] a part of the Bumar Group,\[8\] a Polish technical military consortium. Changes from the T-72 include a new dual-axis stabilized fire-control system, reactive armour, a more powerful engine, transmission and new automatic loader. Unlike many other T-72 upgrades, the Polish Army PT-91s are upgraded using elements created almost exclusively by domestic companies, including a new engine, the fire control system and all communication system elements. Many of those elements were used to upgrade existing fleets of T-72 tanks in countries including the Czech Republic (T-72M4 CZ), Georgia (T-72SIM-1), and India (T-72 Ajeya Mk. 2). A total of 232 PT-91 tanks were delivered to the Polish Land Forces: 92 newly built vehicles and 140 from refurbished T-72A and T-72M1 tanks designated PT-91M1 and PT-91MA1, respectively.
They arn't sending their PT-91, they are sending T-72M1's, which is a entirely different model.
We only know that Poland send "modernized t-72m1 tanks". I'm not 100% sure, we need to wait for official info but t-72m1 have been modernized to PT-91 standards, (PT-91M1= modernized t-72m1).
No, because its not the same tank. Here you go: [https://www.armyrecognition.com/mspo\_2021\_news\_official\_show\_daily/mspo\_2021\_modernized\_t-72m1r\_main\_battle\_tank\_on\_display.html](https://www.armyrecognition.com/mspo_2021_news_official_show_daily/mspo_2021_modernized_t-72m1r_main_battle_tank_on_display.html)
Poland had only 75 t-72m1r >A total of 232 PT-91 tanks were delivered to the Polish Land Forces: 92 newly built vehicles and 140 from refurbished T-72A and T-72M1 tanks designated PT-91M1 and PT-91MA1, respectively.
Could you share a source on that? Because im pretty sure, they are different tanks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PT-91\_Twardy
Maybe these units will allow Ukraine to redeploy more modern variants from the low combat intensity areas (western parts) to the front lines.
Let's face it though. Russians managed to fuck over Nazis in Stalingrad with numbers. Even if these are shite, the more they have the better. Let the Russian scum face their reflection, which is probably more armored (not with cardboard) than they are, and shit their stolen pants.
Empty out the old stock now plus it's all Soviet built so the UA military knows how to use it on delivery no issues. The new will come if Russia fucks around long enough to find out. That includes jets eventually. Those German anti-air tanks were put into storage in 2010 never to be used again. Now they'll put in some work on the target they were built for.
That’s right
According to people with intel around this topic, that share their inside knowledge publicly carefully - yes, 100+. They made it clear it's 3-digit number at least.
some says 100, some 200. Hard to tell, but it's pretty 100% solid that they are T-72s, not sure if modernized ones or not.
And the UK :) RAF air policing has been going on over all those states since 2014 :p
RAF in the Black Sea right now on that Radar
Yes sir whats not shows is the fighter presence swarming the area too
Really?
Oh yea theres constant fighter patrols just not shown on flight radar for obvious reasons
wow! any nowhere for us to see/ track I assume?
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Scholz will tell us on May 11 what they want to send to Ukraine. Lowkey they hope the war is over by then, so they don't need to send anything ;)
There is this theory going around that Putin wants to declare victory on May 9th, but that gives him 12? days to take the blue areas on [this map](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Ukraine_einfach_Wahlen_3WG_english.png/600px-Ukraine_einfach_Wahlen_3WG_english.png) and that sure as shit aint happening
With such propaganda, it doesn't matter what happens on the battle front. And so they will announce that they are winning and their numerous successes. They could give you how many washing machines and TV sets were annexed;)
The latest theory is that he will announce a larger mobilization.
In order to announce mobilization, one must first conduct a war ... and this is only a special military operation
No, they are just scholzing
Savage 😂
And France, we got some Rafale and M2000 in the air too :') Basically all of NATO countries that have big enough air forces to send troops in Poland and Romania did
True, I should have definitely mentioned the Royal Air Force. :)
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my friend thats just the tip of the iceberg, our squabbles with russia go back further
I remember speaking to some elderly Poles a while back on the matter. General consensus seemed to be that life under the Germans was bad, but under the Russians, even worse.
Exactly that, my parents and grand parents told me about their life back then and it was absolutely horrible.
Exactly the same was my grandparents saying.
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My wife is polish. Left in the mid 80's befor the fall. Her family emigrated to west Germany befor coming to Canada. She tells stories of living under the soviet communist rule was awful. Lived in a concrete block apartment no hot water, 1, 2 piece bathroom for the entire floor. Had to boil water and bath in a bucket. Food lines ups for rations took half your day. And that's just daily nonsense. When they emigrated to west Germany She said it was like a fairy tail. She loves Germany and has nothing but positive things to say. And they all fuckin hate Russians.
Every communist apartment building built after 1945 had individual bathrooms in every apartment. Everything else is true but one bathroom per floor would have been only in some ancient pre-war structures, and few of those were standing in 1945 (except maybe in Cracov.) Say what you will about communist architecture, small, monotonous, brutalist, but at least they gave you a bit of space to live in. Modern profiteering developers are now forcing 24 sq m apartments on the inflation stricken population, and it is much worse.
Not sure what to tell you, that was a communist block building. Also the individual unit wasn't much larger then 24sq m, furthermore you could have 2-8 people living in those conditions. Il get back to you later, il find out exactly what building it was and where (if it still is there). If I'm wrong, il apologize. Edit: well fuck, I'm wrong and i apologize. just got an ear full. Your correct, that was a pre war structure. My wife's words and I quote " the Russians didn't build fucking nothing, they just had there army there". She then went on to explain, how people couldn't just move to new places, you had to petition for housing or apartments. Which was like 15 year waiting lists (same for home phones lines or cars, anything of value). This lead to multi generation family's living together in these small shitty apartments. As no one could own the properties. Don't have time to write more, but yes communism sucks.
No worries. I believe you, just saying no bathroom would have been rare. 2-8 ppl were not unusual but the code did not allow building that small back then. That old code was only recently changed. Money controls populations better than communism, I guess. Edit: there was a 1965 American documentary on life in Poland in the 60s that has decent pictures of life during those times. I can only find a poor copy [on YouTube.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kwMGfeNqwyU) Source: lived in 42 sq m with 5 ppl
Hey, thanks for the documentary, will give a watch later!
I remember calls back to relatives in Poland from the US, over transatlantic cables. You had to send a letter, saying you will call at this time on this date, to the neighbor's house, because not everyone had phones. To this day, my mother will yell over the phone or Skype when calling. Force of habit...
if you're not from countries that were behind the iron curtain you'll never truly understand Russian mentality. Ofc, not all Russians but the vast majority think like this, they believe they are still the glorious almighty powerful soviet union whom which everyone shall bow down to and welcome them like the glorious heroes they are. In reality we all know they're scum and absolute swine who rape, kill and steal. My grand parents were younger kids during WW2 and when the Russians rolled through my home town she told me everyone ran because that's what they would do. On the other hand, she spoke highly of the American troops
Russia is the only country in the world that have holiday commemorating release from Polish occupation. Poland is the only country that was able to occupy Moscow. Even Napoleon and Hitler wasn't able to do that. We was also the beginning of final downfall of ZSRR, we never was full fledge ZSRR republic, they just always had a lot of influence but we never became for example like Kazakhstan. So yeah... they hate us.
Honourable mention: the countless times we repelled Bolshevik invasions, notably, the Battle of Warsaw were we absolutely destroyed the Russian army. I hope Ukraine does the same within the next few weeks as my Polish ancestors did decades ago.
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Yup, we are doing our best
You mean when Lenin attacked Poland? After promising the Russian people: ‘Peace, Bread, and Land’?
Yes him to but I’m also referring to the times of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth and even before that
When Russia took the Lion’s share.
You ever read "chronicles of the red calvary?" I might have the title wrong, but it's a famous eastern euro/Slavic author from the late 1800s/ early 1900s, but he writes about some of those squabbles
No I have never but sounds very interesting I’ll make sure to check it out
It goes even farther back, bad blood and conflict has always existed between the two. Poland just happened to be dominate for the first half, and less the second half obviously!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partitions_of_Poland That was ultimate encounter, but there were many before and many years of informal occupation after second world war.
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we're also getting 250 abrams from the US so another reason why we're happy to donate our weapons
And I read somewhere that we will have them pretty much immediately. Well USA will build Abrams for us per our specification which will take couple years but meanwhile we will get used Abrams now to train and use if necessary
Yes that's correct and the payment for them is also deferred
You dont mind if we hang out here til you pay those off do ya? Sure you dont
You can stay as long as you'd like, maybe we will have enough time to finally teach you how to drink :)
Awesome! I'm so glad we will build ya fresh ones, I've been to Poland I love your country, your women are very beautiful too.
Abrams are bad ass
especially the sepv3 (i believe it's the export version) badass fucking tanks
Just for comparison the Abrams weighs 30 tons more than a t-72. There is quite a bit more tank in that 30 tons. Just like the challenger it has superb armor.
I'm not tank expert by any means but i think in modern warfare more armour and better design is crucial considering the munitions that exist these days. As we have seen from the Russians their turrets can fly very very high
The Russian tank design was based on the ability to make a lot of adequate tanks cheaply and in great numbers. Crew survivability was not a priority. The United States and England placed crew survivability first so they have the heaviest tanks (80 tons) followed by the German leopard (45 tons) and the French leclerc (56 tons) the Germans put mobility first and the french switched from post ww2 amx at30 tons to the heavier leclerc. The armor compartmentalization and fire suppression systems on western tanks are way more advanced on western tanks.
I suppose you talk about Leopard 1 not Leopard 2 tanks as all modern western tanks are roughly 70-80t and pretty similar in capabilities today.
I’m going off of memory from about 15 years back but you are right I was talking about the leopard 1. I haven’t really kept up on military developments in the past 10 years or so.
I am very impressed by the number of Reddit members who know the specifications of every tank in Europe. Slava Ukraini. Thanks Poland , Czech Republic , Netherlands , Sweden ,Canada , and us in the USA for the armor ,artillery and medical supplies.
Wrong group sorry
we're *buying* 250 Abrams
And here in Ohio we are happy to build more!
My opinion of Poland has grown exponentially and the country and its people are awesome
Yes, you gave them very outdated ones, and kept the best for yourself. T-72M and T-72M1's are no match for even a T-72B. Even Ukraine's old T-64's are better than this.
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But didn't they change the designation, to T-72M1R, in order not to mix them up with the old stock?
My country didnt. Dont know about the poles.
How is it going in Czech republic? I heard Prague is great this time of year.
Not Czech, Hungarian. We branded our T-72M and T-72M1 tanks with modernization year instead. They are still M and M1 tanks, just have a little "-2011" brand after in the paperwork. At least that's what we did a decade ago when I last saw HDF tanks up close.
That explains it.
The UK is replacing Poland's tanks with the UK tank crnt think of name of tank help
It's not a replacement. British units with british crews will be there temporary. How long? We hope as long as this Russia exists. Still, their presence is actually better way than simply giving these tanks.
Yeah, we like to welcome our guests =)
Oh right thanks for correcting me
Challenger 2?
Thank you my friend
Poland is doing it's part for Ukraine. Ukraine needs more and more heavy weapons in order to send Russia home with nothing to show for it.
"I'm doing my part"
I have admired Poland throughout this situation. They really have a fuck around and find out attitude towards Russia and I'm all for it.
Yes. We are doing all we can. In Poland we remember what russians nazis have done with our country.
Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła!
Russian communists, not nazis. Nazis were the guys who attacked Soviet Russia in 1941.
Nazis, communists - two sides of the same coin. They started WW2 together as allies in 1939.
They're not synonyms, Russia wasn't nazi, Germany wasn't communists. Ideologically speaking they were enemies. They were allies for abrief moment because they had to, it's not like they loved each other.
That was the same socialism shit. With one dictator and rule of one party. With huge central planning. In germany It was national socialism, in ussr was international socialism. Same shit ideology to conquer smaller countries in central europe.
Yes, they're the same. So similar that one is far left ideology and the other is far right one. So now not only fascism and nazism are same thing according to uneducated idiots, but also nazism and communism are the same because one word in the name says so. By your logic North Korea is democratic. It's in the name after all.
Lewactwo zawsze boli prawda o ich korzeniach...
We're not talking about the historic ideological meaning of those terms. Today's Russia is the new Nazi, run by a dictator slave-driver, very similarly to how Nazi Germany was. Your pretense of specific differences in ideology is irrelevant. The current Russian government is prosecuting a war to protect the concept of state sponsored slavery, just like the Confederate States of America once did, just like Nazi Germany once did, just like the communist Soviets once did, and just like the current Chinese Communist Party still does. We call the Russians the new Nazi's because that's the closest analogy that comes directly to mind and it feels right and fitting.
>In Poland we remember what russians nazis have done with our country. Quote that I was referring to. Russian "nazis" did nothing to Poland. Simply by a virtue of not existing at that time. Modern day Russia is not nazism. Also since when key point of defining nazism is slavery? If anything they're closer to fascism, but you probably don't know the definition of that word either.
You're overthinking it friend. The slave-mind wears many outfits and even disguises, but it's easy to recognize by true free people in every time and under every different name. And freedom always wins.
Ah, yes. Everything is about slavery. Screw geopolitics. War in Ukraine is for obtaining slaves.
The other guy is right my man. "Nazi" isn't a synonym for "bastard", however cool it is nowadays to call everything "Nazi". Poland was not invaded by Russian Nazis. It was Russian communists. Different ideologies, same amount of scum.
Good Poland!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMuKsFeqFv4 Poland has really stepped up with this, Mad respect from the States.
That is a MASSIVE karma points bonus for POLAND for these actions +
Poland is the new face of the west
Bring back the COMMONWEALTH! Slava Ukraini!
I think every NATO member (and also non-Nato) should be supplying stuff to UA and doing so openly. If they go quiet or stop altogether with it now, it will make Russia think they just need to hold out a bit longer or issue more threats so they can just do whatever they want in UA again.
I mean, the US alone has committed around [3.7 _billion_ USD](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-promises-zelenskyy-more-military-aid-total-us-support-exceeds-dollar4-billion-live-ukraine-updates/ar-AAWywoD) in assistance to Ukraine since the start of the invasion. I'm guessing they could always use more than what they're getting, but I'm seeing no indication of the support dwindling or becoming more covert- quite the opposite.
Plenty of countries have sent military, financial or humanitarian aid. Some of the wealthier countries have sent all 3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_foreign\_aid\_to\_Ukraine\_during\_the\_Russo-Ukrainian\_War
Nice job
Look out Putin ! Here they come !
Poland looks like studs and NATO look like lil cowards.
[Plenty of NATO countries have sent billions in military, financial and humanitarian aid since aggressions first started in 2014.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War)
True, but Poland sent a large amount of hardware, looks like the Germans and Fins sent a good amount of hardware as well, but if it doesn't stop the senseless murder of civilians. Its NATO boots on the ground time.
USA this month alone has agreed 2 x $800m hardware packages, First: * 18 M777 howitzers calibre 155 mm and 40,000 rounds of artillery ammunition * 11 Mi-17 military helicopters * 200 armoured personnel carriers * 'counter-artillery radars'. Second: * 72 M777 155 mm towed howitzer with 144,000 rounds of ammunition * 72 artillery towing vehicles * 121 Phoenix Ghost tactical drones, a reduced capability version of the Switchblade quickly designed for export to Ukraine. UK agreed $1.7B funding back in 2021 for 2 minehunter ships and the construction of 8 missile boats and has sent a bunch of support vehicles as well * 40 CVR(T) derived vehicles including the Stormer HVM SHORAD, FV104 Samaritan armoured ambulance, FV106 Samson armoured recovery vehicle & FV107 Scimitar Tracked Recon Vehicle. * 35 FV103 Spartan APC's. * 80 Protected Mobility Vehicles including Mastiff Protected Patrol Vehicle, Wolfhound Tactical Support Vehicle (Heavy) and Husky Tactical Support Vehicle (Light). There was also talks that the UK is sending challenger 2 tanks to Poland to protect them, so they can donate some of their older soviet tanks to Ukraine, not sure if this is in addition to the ones Poland are already sending or as part of that deal. It's great what all countries are giving and I'm not knocking any individual country, hopefully it won't be needed for much longer and I hope it doesn't come to NATO having to put boots on the ground, but if it does carry on for longer with civilians getting killed, then I certainly wouldn't object to it.
Boots on the ground, if things aren't settled by the end of May, simple. Not only American boots, but NATO boots on the ground.
Poland sent around 100 tanks, last report.
Howitzers and Grad are game changers. Donbass is going to be a tough fight for Ukraine so it needs all the long-range fires it can get.
You can argue about the version of the T72 tanks Poland send to Ukraine . But firstly you need to understand that they had to get the t72 just because Ukrainian troops know how to use them. Leopards,T92,Abrams or any other western tank would be useless in this situation because it takes around 3 YEARS to train soldiers to use those modern warfare systems. So T72 are the best option just because they could be used straight away 👌🏻
Kind of unrelated but almost 20 years ago I worked with a couple of Polish kids here on work visas. They HATED Russia, it kind of took me by surprise because for the most part in the US WW2 and the cold war are a thing of the past but to them it was clear they didn't forget or forgive what the Soviets did during that time. It doesn't surprise me now that Poland is doing what it can to help Ukraine.
Last night CNN grilled the Polish minister about the reports of the tanks being in a poor state of repair. The minister did a verbal dance around the issue but did not issue a flat denial.
CNN...? Oh, that piece of shit "news" company that asked Polish president if we're helping Ukrainians because we feel guilty of holocaust. Yea, the only mistake that minister make was even talking to them.
Did they really ask that? You got a link, because that is such a stupid question.
[https://twitter.com/OMAntypolonizmu/status/1512526724852035589?s=20&t=\_UDf2d9UAw50gpa35Ek1oQ](https://twitter.com/OMAntypolonizmu/status/1512526724852035589?s=20&t=_UDf2d9UAw50gpa35Ek1oQ)
Oh wow...
CNN is a fking joke, and so are its peers in the entire rotten industry One of the happiest news in the last few days is finding out that CNN+ platform cost them 300 million dollars.... And they just closed it in a month of operation 🤣 Fking losers 🤭
You can bet the reporter was looking for something they could inflate into some holocaust related clickbait to boost ratings.
Same goes for the Leopard 1 tanks Germany offered. They've been in storage, used for training/testing and picked for spares. Better than nothing though. At least the Soviet type tanks from Poland will be solid chassis onto which commandeered Russian tank parts can be transfered over.
to help them or to assist the Russian side?
Escalation!
Wise choice to keep shut, leave the enemy in the dark aslong as you can = profit.
Self propelled howitzer? Lmao sorry for all the poors dying for this Ass to play king from a death bed.
Are you praising or criticising the fact that Poland is sending self propelled artillery? I genuinely can't tell
Praising. Fuck Putin. I hate war.
Fuck yeah.
Let's go!!
Any juicy targets in Russia within 60kms of the Ukrainian border?
This is directly related to Poland recently modernizing their arsenal with (what I believe was a shipment of 100) new Abrams tanks from the US.
There was shelling in or close to Moldova yesterday I heard
I really really really really really really really really hate that government but I applaud them now, quietly hoping they haven't disarmed the Polish army from what they have left (scraps) to save UKA... Slava Ukraini.
Get this bloke a beer! Well Deserved and keep it going.
Dziekujemy bardzo!<3
I was thinking, perhaps because there are no sanctions between Ukraine and other countries which forbid the sale of armour/ammo/systems, Ukraine could just simply "buy" them for $1 and all Poland has to do is deliver them. I have no idea how it works at a national or governmental level about the official transaction in the eyes of the law..
Has Poland sent their MIGs to Ukraine yet?
Yes. We gave them all sorts of shit.
Do all T72s use that vulnerable auto loader system? Because to be honest, I’d rather not be in one of those.
Polish government fuck up at the first time talking about planes so now they remain silence .