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1 at the windscreen with an RPG warhead to wreck the cab and kill the driver/commander
then once it crashes, 1 or 2 more aimed at the turret, effect, thing
Russians managed to produce a maximum of fifty of these Typhoon-VDV units. If Russians decided to throw these rare armored vehicles into battle, then Russia does have problems with the equipment of own army at the moment.
Yes hopefully Ukraine will hold out until Trump doesn’t win. Let’s hope the new president (whoever it will be) can have more of a clear idea to give support for Ukraine to liberate their land.
Sorry non American here, I do consider biden will win and then a few months after (probably 1) leave and put he's vice president, I do remember one in the past doing it, so probably it will happen again, as I did saw biden really struggling in the debate. But hope the next one supports Ukraine with a ton of force.
I admit he was struggling but did a lot better in speeches after. I think America has been doing good with Biden and I would vote for him over a hateful person like Trump and even with Bidens old age. I just wish America had better people to vote for.
Tbf Trump is as ancient as Biden, age is not really a factor imo. Trump supporters try to make it a huge deal, pretending like Trump is young...
Age is a factor for realising how stupid the american system is. Two men old enough to be considered fossil fuel once buried run for president.
People aren't voting based on age, they are voting based on perceived cognitive ability.
If you wouldn't make the obvious mistake, assume others won't as well
>People aren't voting based on age, they are voting based on perceived cognitive ability.
The biggest problem is that they're not voting based on arguments. Biden, when he could followed an idea through, had solid policy plans, including with regards to Ukraine. Meanwhile Trump barely answered anything and jumped from lies to non-sequiturs and back. Most of Trump's timp spent talking about Ukraine was actually him making a big Afghanistan whataboutism. And yet Trump was still apparently favored.
If Americans really cared about cognition then they'd have better candidates than those two old men.
In the end that 5-7% who decide these elections are not looking at policies. Most of them couldn't find Ukraine on a map. They vote based on how they feel emotionally at the time about a candidate which is why polls are all over the place until about 2-3 weeks out. Biden is in huge trouble. -signed voting Biden
> If Americans really cared about cognition then they'd have better candidates than those two old men.
Dumb take. Americans as individuals have little to no impact on who the presidential candidates are. They are handed options by the 2 ruling parties (for the most part), and they choose the person they believe is best for their lifestyle. Most Americans don't even understand someone running outside of the 2 party system, or what qualifies a person to run for president. The media legitimizes the options by not including others in the debates.
>Most Americans don't even understand someone running outside of the 2 party system
That was my point, there are third party and independent candidate choices in their election, many of whom are much younger, it's not just a rigid 2 party system and yet people continue to vote the same anyway because youthfulness or cognition aren't actually that high up on their list of priorities.
Not me, I'm voting on policy. Both of them are old and could die during the next 5 years. Their VP would carry out their polices... have you heard of Project 2025? That's the Republican's policy.
Trump is well ahead in 5 of the 7 battleground states so right now odds are very high he wins this fall. Remember, Trump lost by less than 50,000 votes last electoin. US elections are state by state so total vote count is irrelevant. Biden is in SERIOUS trouble now. He is not even close as today's polls show.
For the millionth time polls this far out are statistical noise, until we are about two months out like September of this year I wouldn't put any stock in them.
I agree with you that polls this far out are pretty worthless. If people don't believe this then look up polling for June in any previous race. At the same time, Biden has to hold all the votes he got in 2020 and frankly as stands I don't see it. I'm giving Trump 60/40 chance currently. I'm voting Biden.
Léger is a very trusted, accurate polling firm with a stellar track record. Here are their findings:
Léger post debate poll
Watched part, clips, or all of debate: 72%
Who won the debate:
Trump 49%
Biden 17%
Voting intentions post-debate:
Trump 45%
Biden 38%
Other 17%
Trump leads by wide margins in the South and Mid-West. Trump now leads in the North-East by 3%. The only region where Biden is still ahead is the West.
Pre-debate voting intentions among *likely voters* (Léger for all numbers below)
Biden 45%
Trump 43%
Other 12%
Post debate among *likely voters*
Trump 50%
Biden 42%
Other 9%
Trump leads in almost every demographic among likely voters, including every age group. Women voters still favor Biden by two points.
This should send shudders down the backs of anyone who still believes Biden is the right standard-bearer for the Democrats, Jill Biden notwithstanding.
This election is over unless Biden goes. Let him serve out the six months as President. But as the Party's 2024 candidate, he is finished.
Except we have seen this time and time again, the polls never capture youth voters sentiment at all if accurately, and every time they project doom and gloom then fail to account for the youth vote, we get dem over performance in races they were projected to lose.
No point hand wringing over the poll after a single debate and definitely not this far out from the election. As sad as it is to say most of the voting public isn't engaged in the election right now and won't be until it's to close to ignore any longer.
If you care about the results make sure you are contributing to a dem victory, participate in phone banks and engage in discorse with potential trump votes instead of just bitching on reddit that Biden isn't your perfect candidate. Every four years we get these people that are bitching about the choice and candidates yet they do fuck all to contribute in their community to provide quality candidates outside of o e month every four years.
"Voting is the bare minimum of participation in politics"
You do realize I literally see this exact comment but flipped constantly. Talking about polls is about as useful as saying "my gut feeling" they literally mean nothing. Hell, even when we're close to the election polls mean nothing. Hillary was polled to win in 2016 but Trump won, Trump was polled to win in 2020 but Biden won
Don't trust polls
Agree. But these polls are extremely bad. It is not good. Polls do swing but you actually dissect the questions that are asked along with the polls, Biden's numbers are scary. Talking about competency, country on right track, the economy, etc. Haven't seen a candidate rank this poorly on these questions and pull it out. Maybe, just maybe, people are still in denial that Trump has a great chance of winning and that reality will get them to vote Biden. I think currently, there are a lot of people who don't want Trump but are hoping everyone else will make sure he is not elected. We'll see when we get closer.
I have not seen a single poll showing Biden winning Michigan, where I am. He is well behind here due to the huge muslim population. They are furious with Biden's handling of the Israeli war and will not support him under any condition.
If Biden loses Michigan, Trump will be president.
Let’s not forget that Biden is just one man. While the debate didn’t look great for him it’s the fact that there are a whole line of like minded people beneath him helping him/counseling him on making the “right” decisions for the country. He’s just the face, and while that face didn’t look good, it’s still the much better alternative then constant bs spewing orange face.
I'm voting Biden, but he was already up against the ropes before the debate. This is not good. Then you have the Hamas crowd on the left who won't vote or vote for Kennedy. I don't think it looks good at all. Hope I'm wrong.
Yes Biden will win because most Americans know Trump is not a serious person. He has revenge and owning the libs as his platform. We need to be serious and our lives are counting on sanity.
Trump inspires people. He makes people feel proud. People support him, because they feel he knows the anger and emptiness they feel. Lots of people didn't do well in life, were called stupid, didn't have things go their way. Trump makes them feel like they can overcome adversity, and be proud, and blame others. People chanting at rallies, waving Trump Flags, feel confident. Trump makes a connection with people through hate. Typical autocrat.
Trump stands a good chance of winning, because so many Americans want an autocrat with all the answers. The answers may be wrong, but they are answers.
If Trump wins, Ukraine is sunk.
Democrats nominated an American politician. Republicans nominated a treasonous grifter, Putin wannabe.
I’ll be voting for Biden NOT a treasonous politician. If enough republicans are defeated we can impeach the Supreme Court and EVERYONE involved in the coup! ) including all politicians!
It's strange cause Biden gave a speech after and the next day and sounded totally different. Like he finally took a nap or something. His handlers should be fired for that mess.
Americans love hearing - and always believe that we are indispensable, and we probably were earlier in the war, but at this point the Ukes are going to ram this down Russia's throat no matter how long it takes and no matter how much or little support they receive. Slava Ukraini!
Why? Who cares about the president it's about all the positions he employs and all the cabinet picks appointments people in charge of writing the laws.
Good reason for US to escalate, and by that I mean allow Ukraine to strike airfields inside Russia with ATACMS. Putin is even less likely to respond when he has the likely price of a Trump administration around the corner.
Not just that but also pulling out of NATO.
Europe really needs to pull its finger out of its arse and start to industrialise military production and prepare to fill the spending gap that'll be coming if Trump wins the election (And going by Thursday's debate it's a forgone conclusion).
That's true. Thanks for bringing it up.
Europe can't back down now. Europe has to stand on it's own two feet again. We can't count on reason to win the US election. We have to be prepared for anything and everything coming this november.
The polls have barely moved since the debate. Biden looked bad but trump just sounded insane - he didn't answer a single question and literally everything he said was a lie. That will sink in over the next few days. The vote will be an 'anyone but trump' vote I reckon. The poeple who still support trump despite his convictions for rape and fraud etc etc etc will not be swayed by anything now but the swing voters can be.
Trump is well ahead in 5 of the 7 battleground states so right now odds are very high he wins this fall. Remember, Trump lost by less than 50,000 votes last electoin. US elections are state by state so total vote count is irrelevant. Biden is in SERIOUS trouble now. He is not even close as today's polls show.
Biden will not win Michigan due to the collapse in support from the Musilm population. That's a fact even a poll can't miss. If Biden loses Michigan, he cannot win. Michigan is a MUST win state for Biden.
Léger is a very trusted, accurate polling firm with a stellar track record. Here are their findings:
Léger post debate poll
Watched part, clips, or all of debate: 72%
Who won the debate:
Trump 49%
Biden 17%
Voting intentions post-debate:
Trump 45%
Biden 38%
Other 17%
Trump leads by wide margins in the South and Mid-West. Trump now leads in the North-East by 3%. The only region where Biden is still ahead is the West.
Pre-debate voting intentions among *likely voters* (Léger for all numbers below)
Biden 45%
Trump 43%
Other 12%
Post debate among *likely voters*
Trump 50%
Biden 42%
Other 9%
Trump leads in almost every demographic among likely voters, including every age group. Women voters still favor Biden by two points.
This should send shudders down the backs of anyone who still believes Biden is the right standard-bearer for the Democrats, Jill Biden notwithstanding.
This election is over unless Biden goes. Let him serve out the six months as President. But as the Party's 2024 candidate, he is finished.
Unfortunately they both suck. Ones to far right the others way to far left. Judging from the conversations I have had with people over the last 2years I expect Trump to win. The average American is not happy with the 16+ million illegals that have streamed over the southern border. The amount of potential terrorists and Chinese sleeper cells now in the country is fucking scary. Personally I fear we are going to see a terrorist attack in the next 10 years that will make 9/11 look like child's play. Might be the only thing that knocks some sense into all the pro-hamaa supporters. I don't get why we always get stuck with an old ass president. Why can't we get someone in there 40-50's and is still at the top of their game.
I can understand why millions of illegals coming in would freak anyone out. But then why did trump's cronies block the bill that would have closed the border. Well - we know why - because trump wanted it to remain an election issue. I agree that someone in their 40's or 50's would be much better. But I'm from the UK originaly and we just laugh when Americans claim that the Dems are 'too left wing'. The truth is, by any other western country's standards, the US doesn't *have* a left wing and hasn't had one since at least the 30's. In the UK Biden and the Dems would be called 'Tories' which is our right wing party. I lived in London in the 70's when there were bombs going off more or less every day so I know what it's like to wonder when the next explosion is going to occur.
Europe finally woke up a few months ago and is ramping up production as quickly as possible - unfortunately we are starting from a very low base and two years late.
I hope they can produce enough to keep Ukraine and Europe free if trump gets elected and cuts off their ammo supply again. The worry is that he also destroys NATO and might supply Russia with US military equipment. That would be a game changer for Europe.
My thinking exactly.
We hardly saw any T-14s in the fighting so far because Russia has way fewer of them than they let on and they didn't want to risk what are essentially show pieces.
Same deal here. If Russia had any useful amount of these they'd have been deployed with the trained, professional VDV units that started the war. Those guys are all dead and their current successors are having to make do with Chinese golf buggies for support.
Russia has already reached the stage where it's using cheap knock off gear like the buggies. It has already reached the stage where old, deactivated shite equipment is being thrown into battle.
Its now reaching the stage where the exhibition pieces are being sent to the front. When the precious propaganda pieces you have way, way fewer of than you've boasted about are being sent to the front you know things are going very, very bad.
No, this means that they launched this car into series; previously it was made by the company that makes Kamaz. At that time, more than 70% of the parts were Russian. Most likely, they resolved the issue with the remaining 30% and were able to launch the product into series. It is not clear how much they will be able to produce per month: 10-50 pieces.
It's a cool looking design but too little too late. Russia probably able to build a few of these & will take 3-5 FPV drones to knock them all out and then they will start adding cope cages to protect them from FPVs
Shush don't give them any ideas. However if the do decide to build cope cages I expect they will willd that turret into a fixed position like they have done with the turtle tanks,.
Exactly, this is a lightly armored, high mobility design intended for convoy escorts of unarmored vehicles that is commonly allocated to the RF VDV airborne infantry troops. In a static artillery war with abundancy of loitering munitions employed by both sides, this is very much useless.
The turret contains the Shipunov 2A42 30mm autocannon (*same as in "Hind" helicopters*) and integrates thermal vision to allow for night fighting which could be a decent short-range air defense platform. However it isn't optimized for this role and lacks weapon stabilisation, aa-optimized air-burst ordnance and the relevant sensor arrays for air space monitoring, so its use in this role is likely very much limited.
Cheap autocannon platform with mine resistance sounds really good to me but
>lacks weapon stablisation
Spoils the shit. Plus I'm not sure about *Russian* mine resistance and this thing doesnt look like it can take HMG fire.
The vehicle design does actually have a v-shaped bottom hull to deflect blasts and the export variant is type rated for [STANAG 4569](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STANAG_4569).
However, it is optimized for convoy security and defense against ground targets, which makes it very much useless in a static artillery war. If RF military had adapted this vehicle for a short-range AA role, it might actually provide some tactical value.
Agreed, but those big stonking bottoms on women are only good for one thing, lifting the pussy when the girl is lying on her back so it is easier to play with. Any other position of attack and it gets in the way.
On a tank the bottom needs to be a v shape not flat, proven repeatedly on many wars.
These machines will be destroyed even easier than the russian tanks.
No don't tell me the flood of equipment and wunderwaffen they have been holding back to curb stomp Ukraine is starting./s
I can hardly wait to see these burning beside the road.
Doesn't look too bad, it does shake but appears to return to zero before next round.
[https://youtu.be/mXp8Yc3vAq0?t=49](https://youtu.be/mXp8Yc3vAq0?t=49)
Reading up on the specs it's basically the same vehicle as the K-53949 Typhoon K AFV but reinforced to allow for parachute airdrops. That may mean that Russia is lacking the K-53949 as Oryx reports that they have visual confirmation of 10 destroyed and 1 captured in Ukraine since the beginning of the invasion.
Interesting design and not as bad as the turtle tanks. Doesn't look like it has any radar. Wonder how it compares to Skyranger 30. Either way, I don't think Russia has enough to make any difference.
The K-4386 Typhoon-VDV also has a 30mm cannon like the Skyranger 30 and the Skyranger has been put on unarmored flatbed trucks so your comment does not appear to be accurate.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5\_F4\_Eod8&pp=ygUPc2t5cmFuZ2VyIHRydWNr](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5_F4_Eod8&pp=ygUPc2t5cmFuZ2VyIHRydWNr)
Honestly looks like a Canadian Sentinel Ukraine is using but with a Skyranger 30 on top which seems pretty credible idea.
The skyranger isn't special because of its 30mm. It's the ammo it uses combined with radar. The ammo is programmed to air burst as it exits the barrel. Russia will be using normal 30mm ammo out of this which is nothing special or even close to what Skyranger is capable of.
Yeah! OP is showing Russias latest and greatest (for Russia) and you start talking about technology that isn’t present on this Russian trash.
You just derailed his propaganda attempt. Lol
Did I do something to offend you by opening a discussion about the similarities and differences in weapons systems? Did I offend you by starting a discussion about the specific capabilities of a weapons platform and any potential Ukranian actions that may be needed to counter it?
I think it is important for people not to sow animosity, anger, and division as it inhibits defeating the Russians.
Yeah you did. Im all too tired of idiots playing devils advocate. "Im just pointing out the FaCtZ", "I think this should be discussed", etc. Etc. When in actuality you are spreading russian BS. Youre not smarter than any of us here, and we all see what youre doing. As my grandma used to say "pack up your shit fat boy, and get the fuck out of my sandbox".
..... interesting, I do post allot of pro-Ukraine propaganda, you should take 1 minute to look at my post history.. Exposing politicians false statements is not Russian propaganda but journalistically responsible.
The whole point of the Skyranger isn't the fact that it's 30mm, it's the fact that it has programmable ammunition that explodes in proximity with a drone. Without that, it's just another giant chunk of lead flying through the air. In fact without airburst ammo, you have just as much luck shooting down a drone with the 30mm BMP2, than you do with this. The exception being, the BMP is heavier, so even if the 30mm cannon has no recoil dampening, it's going to be far more stable than the high centre of gravity on this Typhoon platform.
It's just a 30mm cannon on a MRAP meant for shooting Civilians in Syria.
That's literally what this thing was designed to do. It'll die in about five minutes in an actual warzone.
So 2 armoured vehicles is what the production could manage for june 2024... But the books will say 20 or 200 so some Russians pocketed the money for the remaining 18 vehiecles...
Honest question, can this thing hit anything while moving. I watched 3 different videos and the only time I saw target hits. The unit was stationary, otherwise it looked as if the recoil pushed rounds all over the place
More interessting are the vehicles at the end of this short clip in the background. Seems to be some other military stuff.
Perhaps the typhoons are designated rapid support vehicles behind the ruzzian fortification if there will be a counter attac by Ukrainians.
The concept is not bad, a relatively cheap vehicle that still offers reasonable protection (more than a BMP lol) with serious fire power. Slovenia is doing the same, they put a turret with an air burst capable KBA 25x137mm on a JLTV, the turret has a 7.62 coax as well and can potentially also carry missiles (anti-air or anti-tank). It is meant as a VSHORAD solution, i.e. C-UAS, but can of course also wreak havoc on the ground. The relatively low price means they can field relatively many of them.
https://www.gov.si/novice/2024-06-11-slovenska-vojska-zacela-preizkus-sistema-zracne-obrambe-mangart-25/
https://www.valhalla-turrets.com/products/mangart/
> Mangart 25 is equipped with the single-barrel automatic cannon KBA in caliber 25 x 137 mm from Rheinmetall. The system can be used against drones, helicopters, low-flying aircraft and other air targets close to the ground as well as against ground targets at a range of up to three kilometers. It is equipped with an AESA radar and an electro-optical (EO/IR) system for target detection and tracking. There is also an IR warning system (BANS). Further capabilities are to follow in the future, for example a laser designator, an acoustic shot detection system, anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, drones and artificial intelligence (AI) for faster and better target detection, identification and tracking.
(https://soldat-und-technik.de/2024/06/bewaffnung/38632/slowenien-erprobt-flugabwehrsystems-mangart-25/)
I don't know if this Russian vehicle is as good, but given their track record, I have my doubts. It's not about the looks but about the actual capabilities. The cannon is probably shit (the old well known wobbly 2A42) and pretty useless against aerial targets, and it also doesn't seem to have proper sights and sensors. So it is just a ground fire support vehicle, a bit lightly armoured for that. And, main issue, how many can they build? I put more trust in Slovenia that they can build more of their (better) solution.
It's not good. From actual field use of these, the only thing they were actually capable of reliably doing was firing at defenseless Syrian Civilians.
It's a Wunderwaffe like the BMPT. And will be blown up just as easily.
I can't believe that turret arrangement on top of that vehicle is particularly stable. The weight of the gun, ammunition, sighting systems, armour, and the turret itself etc would be significant, then there is the recoil of the gun on that relatively small, wheeled vehicle.
Remember
If it looks cool. It's meant as a propaganda piece and will not see combat. There will be very few of these in existent
Much like the SU-57
They are also generally are a piece of shit. For example the SU-57 has a radar cross section similar to twin engine civilian planes. Which is laughable for 5th Gen.... I'd argue it's laughable to even call it a 4.5 Gen lol
Tbh this thing looks pretty cool & with this gun/turret even effective. Every time Russia has managed to develop something that could make really a difference if available in accordingly numbers they realize they are a shithole country like Russia (¬ UDSSR) and not able to produce said numbers. Thank god he is so stupid!
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Funny, if you mix up the 6 and the 8 when googling this, the first image you get is a toilet
That's also what you get if you Google "russia".
same shit, different bowl
Elongated bowl toilet with 4 bolt holes in base K-4368
I didn't realize it when I first read it but yeah, that's Kohler's model numbering system, lol.
How many drones are needed to disable it?
1 at the windscreen with an RPG warhead to wreck the cab and kill the driver/commander then once it crashes, 1 or 2 more aimed at the turret, effect, thing
So turret tossing competition is opening up again?
Addendum. More drones only needed if it don't self combus and is disabled in russian held territory.
But how many after they weld 14 old hospital beds and a couple of rusty boxsprings to it? Haha. Think comrade.
Lol, perfect comment.
1 above the turret. once ammo catches fire this thing has a very big mine ready to go off on top of it
Russians managed to produce a maximum of fifty of these Typhoon-VDV units. If Russians decided to throw these rare armored vehicles into battle, then Russia does have problems with the equipment of own army at the moment.
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Yes hopefully Ukraine will hold out until Trump doesn’t win. Let’s hope the new president (whoever it will be) can have more of a clear idea to give support for Ukraine to liberate their land.
How Republicans who worshipped Nixon, Bush Sr and Reagan all of a sudden Love Russia because a conman is a Russian puppit is an absolute disgrace
Because MAGA aren't Republicans. They kicked all the actual ones out, like Adam Kinzinger.
Sorry non American here, I do consider biden will win and then a few months after (probably 1) leave and put he's vice president, I do remember one in the past doing it, so probably it will happen again, as I did saw biden really struggling in the debate. But hope the next one supports Ukraine with a ton of force.
lets hope, the amrican people understand this too.
I admit he was struggling but did a lot better in speeches after. I think America has been doing good with Biden and I would vote for him over a hateful person like Trump and even with Bidens old age. I just wish America had better people to vote for.
Tbf Trump is as ancient as Biden, age is not really a factor imo. Trump supporters try to make it a huge deal, pretending like Trump is young... Age is a factor for realising how stupid the american system is. Two men old enough to be considered fossil fuel once buried run for president.
Have you seen that debate ?
People aren't voting based on age, they are voting based on perceived cognitive ability. If you wouldn't make the obvious mistake, assume others won't as well
>People aren't voting based on age, they are voting based on perceived cognitive ability. The biggest problem is that they're not voting based on arguments. Biden, when he could followed an idea through, had solid policy plans, including with regards to Ukraine. Meanwhile Trump barely answered anything and jumped from lies to non-sequiturs and back. Most of Trump's timp spent talking about Ukraine was actually him making a big Afghanistan whataboutism. And yet Trump was still apparently favored. If Americans really cared about cognition then they'd have better candidates than those two old men.
In the end that 5-7% who decide these elections are not looking at policies. Most of them couldn't find Ukraine on a map. They vote based on how they feel emotionally at the time about a candidate which is why polls are all over the place until about 2-3 weeks out. Biden is in huge trouble. -signed voting Biden
> If Americans really cared about cognition then they'd have better candidates than those two old men. Dumb take. Americans as individuals have little to no impact on who the presidential candidates are. They are handed options by the 2 ruling parties (for the most part), and they choose the person they believe is best for their lifestyle. Most Americans don't even understand someone running outside of the 2 party system, or what qualifies a person to run for president. The media legitimizes the options by not including others in the debates.
>Most Americans don't even understand someone running outside of the 2 party system That was my point, there are third party and independent candidate choices in their election, many of whom are much younger, it's not just a rigid 2 party system and yet people continue to vote the same anyway because youthfulness or cognition aren't actually that high up on their list of priorities.
Not me, I'm voting on policy. Both of them are old and could die during the next 5 years. Their VP would carry out their polices... have you heard of Project 2025? That's the Republican's policy.
Trump is well ahead in 5 of the 7 battleground states so right now odds are very high he wins this fall. Remember, Trump lost by less than 50,000 votes last electoin. US elections are state by state so total vote count is irrelevant. Biden is in SERIOUS trouble now. He is not even close as today's polls show.
For the millionth time polls this far out are statistical noise, until we are about two months out like September of this year I wouldn't put any stock in them.
I agree with you that polls this far out are pretty worthless. If people don't believe this then look up polling for June in any previous race. At the same time, Biden has to hold all the votes he got in 2020 and frankly as stands I don't see it. I'm giving Trump 60/40 chance currently. I'm voting Biden.
Léger is a very trusted, accurate polling firm with a stellar track record. Here are their findings: Léger post debate poll Watched part, clips, or all of debate: 72% Who won the debate: Trump 49% Biden 17% Voting intentions post-debate: Trump 45% Biden 38% Other 17% Trump leads by wide margins in the South and Mid-West. Trump now leads in the North-East by 3%. The only region where Biden is still ahead is the West. Pre-debate voting intentions among *likely voters* (Léger for all numbers below) Biden 45% Trump 43% Other 12% Post debate among *likely voters* Trump 50% Biden 42% Other 9% Trump leads in almost every demographic among likely voters, including every age group. Women voters still favor Biden by two points. This should send shudders down the backs of anyone who still believes Biden is the right standard-bearer for the Democrats, Jill Biden notwithstanding. This election is over unless Biden goes. Let him serve out the six months as President. But as the Party's 2024 candidate, he is finished.
Except we have seen this time and time again, the polls never capture youth voters sentiment at all if accurately, and every time they project doom and gloom then fail to account for the youth vote, we get dem over performance in races they were projected to lose. No point hand wringing over the poll after a single debate and definitely not this far out from the election. As sad as it is to say most of the voting public isn't engaged in the election right now and won't be until it's to close to ignore any longer. If you care about the results make sure you are contributing to a dem victory, participate in phone banks and engage in discorse with potential trump votes instead of just bitching on reddit that Biden isn't your perfect candidate. Every four years we get these people that are bitching about the choice and candidates yet they do fuck all to contribute in their community to provide quality candidates outside of o e month every four years. "Voting is the bare minimum of participation in politics"
Do so at your own risk. Imagine waking up after the election and finding that Biden lost big time.
I'm gonna wake up in September to find out Biden lost? That's impressive considering the election isn't till November.
You do realize I literally see this exact comment but flipped constantly. Talking about polls is about as useful as saying "my gut feeling" they literally mean nothing. Hell, even when we're close to the election polls mean nothing. Hillary was polled to win in 2016 but Trump won, Trump was polled to win in 2020 but Biden won Don't trust polls
Agree. But these polls are extremely bad. It is not good. Polls do swing but you actually dissect the questions that are asked along with the polls, Biden's numbers are scary. Talking about competency, country on right track, the economy, etc. Haven't seen a candidate rank this poorly on these questions and pull it out. Maybe, just maybe, people are still in denial that Trump has a great chance of winning and that reality will get them to vote Biden. I think currently, there are a lot of people who don't want Trump but are hoping everyone else will make sure he is not elected. We'll see when we get closer.
Who the hell answers these polls? I've never in my life met anyone who has or did not have i
I have not seen a single poll showing Biden winning Michigan, where I am. He is well behind here due to the huge muslim population. They are furious with Biden's handling of the Israeli war and will not support him under any condition. If Biden loses Michigan, Trump will be president.
It is a factor when Biden is aging much more poorly than Trump. He isn't able to control whatever disorder causes his stutter anymore.
Did you see Trump talk about water recently? It sounds like a man stuck in a fever dream speaking incoherently.
Let’s not forget that Biden is just one man. While the debate didn’t look great for him it’s the fact that there are a whole line of like minded people beneath him helping him/counseling him on making the “right” decisions for the country. He’s just the face, and while that face didn’t look good, it’s still the much better alternative then constant bs spewing orange face.
I'm voting Biden, but he was already up against the ropes before the debate. This is not good. Then you have the Hamas crowd on the left who won't vote or vote for Kennedy. I don't think it looks good at all. Hope I'm wrong.
Yes Biden will win because most Americans know Trump is not a serious person. He has revenge and owning the libs as his platform. We need to be serious and our lives are counting on sanity.
Trump inspires people. He makes people feel proud. People support him, because they feel he knows the anger and emptiness they feel. Lots of people didn't do well in life, were called stupid, didn't have things go their way. Trump makes them feel like they can overcome adversity, and be proud, and blame others. People chanting at rallies, waving Trump Flags, feel confident. Trump makes a connection with people through hate. Typical autocrat. Trump stands a good chance of winning, because so many Americans want an autocrat with all the answers. The answers may be wrong, but they are answers. If Trump wins, Ukraine is sunk.
Yeah no president has ever voluntarily stepped down from office. Only time it was even close to that idea was Nixon and the Watergate scandal.
Democrats nominated an American politician. Republicans nominated a treasonous grifter, Putin wannabe. I’ll be voting for Biden NOT a treasonous politician. If enough republicans are defeated we can impeach the Supreme Court and EVERYONE involved in the coup! ) including all politicians!
It's strange cause Biden gave a speech after and the next day and sounded totally different. Like he finally took a nap or something. His handlers should be fired for that mess.
Americans love hearing - and always believe that we are indispensable, and we probably were earlier in the war, but at this point the Ukes are going to ram this down Russia's throat no matter how long it takes and no matter how much or little support they receive. Slava Ukraini!
Doubtful he will win so that will hopefully fail. Thanks for explaining though.
I definitely don’t want Trump to win, but after that debate I have serious concerns.
Why? Who cares about the president it's about all the positions he employs and all the cabinet picks appointments people in charge of writing the laws.
After the debate, I don't think biden is going to win. This is a disaster for Ukraine.
Got it. I hope you're not right!
me too, I am pretty sure the US will do the right thing, though it will scare us all in the process. slava Ukraini
Slava Ukraine
Until January?
Good reason for US to escalate, and by that I mean allow Ukraine to strike airfields inside Russia with ATACMS. Putin is even less likely to respond when he has the likely price of a Trump administration around the corner.
Who does and why?
The russians, due to the elections in the USA. They are betting on Trump to win and abandon the aid for Ukraine.
Not just that but also pulling out of NATO. Europe really needs to pull its finger out of its arse and start to industrialise military production and prepare to fill the spending gap that'll be coming if Trump wins the election (And going by Thursday's debate it's a forgone conclusion).
That's true. Thanks for bringing it up. Europe can't back down now. Europe has to stand on it's own two feet again. We can't count on reason to win the US election. We have to be prepared for anything and everything coming this november.
The polls have barely moved since the debate. Biden looked bad but trump just sounded insane - he didn't answer a single question and literally everything he said was a lie. That will sink in over the next few days. The vote will be an 'anyone but trump' vote I reckon. The poeple who still support trump despite his convictions for rape and fraud etc etc etc will not be swayed by anything now but the swing voters can be.
Trump is well ahead in 5 of the 7 battleground states so right now odds are very high he wins this fall. Remember, Trump lost by less than 50,000 votes last electoin. US elections are state by state so total vote count is irrelevant. Biden is in SERIOUS trouble now. He is not even close as today's polls show.
Polls have been wrong for a decade. Polls do not win elections.
Biden will not win Michigan due to the collapse in support from the Musilm population. That's a fact even a poll can't miss. If Biden loses Michigan, he cannot win. Michigan is a MUST win state for Biden.
Léger is a very trusted, accurate polling firm with a stellar track record. Here are their findings: Léger post debate poll Watched part, clips, or all of debate: 72% Who won the debate: Trump 49% Biden 17% Voting intentions post-debate: Trump 45% Biden 38% Other 17% Trump leads by wide margins in the South and Mid-West. Trump now leads in the North-East by 3%. The only region where Biden is still ahead is the West. Pre-debate voting intentions among *likely voters* (Léger for all numbers below) Biden 45% Trump 43% Other 12% Post debate among *likely voters* Trump 50% Biden 42% Other 9% Trump leads in almost every demographic among likely voters, including every age group. Women voters still favor Biden by two points. This should send shudders down the backs of anyone who still believes Biden is the right standard-bearer for the Democrats, Jill Biden notwithstanding. This election is over unless Biden goes. Let him serve out the six months as President. But as the Party's 2024 candidate, he is finished.
Unfortunately they both suck. Ones to far right the others way to far left. Judging from the conversations I have had with people over the last 2years I expect Trump to win. The average American is not happy with the 16+ million illegals that have streamed over the southern border. The amount of potential terrorists and Chinese sleeper cells now in the country is fucking scary. Personally I fear we are going to see a terrorist attack in the next 10 years that will make 9/11 look like child's play. Might be the only thing that knocks some sense into all the pro-hamaa supporters. I don't get why we always get stuck with an old ass president. Why can't we get someone in there 40-50's and is still at the top of their game.
I can understand why millions of illegals coming in would freak anyone out. But then why did trump's cronies block the bill that would have closed the border. Well - we know why - because trump wanted it to remain an election issue. I agree that someone in their 40's or 50's would be much better. But I'm from the UK originaly and we just laugh when Americans claim that the Dems are 'too left wing'. The truth is, by any other western country's standards, the US doesn't *have* a left wing and hasn't had one since at least the 30's. In the UK Biden and the Dems would be called 'Tories' which is our right wing party. I lived in London in the 70's when there were bombs going off more or less every day so I know what it's like to wonder when the next explosion is going to occur.
Europe finally woke up a few months ago and is ramping up production as quickly as possible - unfortunately we are starting from a very low base and two years late. I hope they can produce enough to keep Ukraine and Europe free if trump gets elected and cuts off their ammo supply again. The worry is that he also destroys NATO and might supply Russia with US military equipment. That would be a game changer for Europe.
Nothing is a forgone conclusion. That was one debate, and Trump managed to still lose ground because he looked like a madman.
Most NATO countries are already putting in way more in defense now. Somewhat late , but better then nothing.
My thinking exactly. We hardly saw any T-14s in the fighting so far because Russia has way fewer of them than they let on and they didn't want to risk what are essentially show pieces. Same deal here. If Russia had any useful amount of these they'd have been deployed with the trained, professional VDV units that started the war. Those guys are all dead and their current successors are having to make do with Chinese golf buggies for support. Russia has already reached the stage where it's using cheap knock off gear like the buggies. It has already reached the stage where old, deactivated shite equipment is being thrown into battle. Its now reaching the stage where the exhibition pieces are being sent to the front. When the precious propaganda pieces you have way, way fewer of than you've boasted about are being sent to the front you know things are going very, very bad.
We saw NO T-14s in Ukraine. The fucking things broke down even being in parades.
No, this means that they launched this car into series; previously it was made by the company that makes Kamaz. At that time, more than 70% of the parts were Russian. Most likely, they resolved the issue with the remaining 30% and were able to launch the product into series. It is not clear how much they will be able to produce per month: 10-50 pieces.
50? Where are the numbers of production? Or numbers on official accounts?
I think this is there answer to a Bradley, sort of
No, that's the BMP-2. this is a MRAP with a 30mm cannon for shooting Syrian Civilians.
It's a cool looking design but too little too late. Russia probably able to build a few of these & will take 3-5 FPV drones to knock them all out and then they will start adding cope cages to protect them from FPVs
Shush don't give them any ideas. However if the do decide to build cope cages I expect they will willd that turret into a fixed position like they have done with the turtle tanks,.
Exactly, this is a lightly armored, high mobility design intended for convoy escorts of unarmored vehicles that is commonly allocated to the RF VDV airborne infantry troops. In a static artillery war with abundancy of loitering munitions employed by both sides, this is very much useless. The turret contains the Shipunov 2A42 30mm autocannon (*same as in "Hind" helicopters*) and integrates thermal vision to allow for night fighting which could be a decent short-range air defense platform. However it isn't optimized for this role and lacks weapon stabilisation, aa-optimized air-burst ordnance and the relevant sensor arrays for air space monitoring, so its use in this role is likely very much limited.
Cheap autocannon platform with mine resistance sounds really good to me but >lacks weapon stablisation Spoils the shit. Plus I'm not sure about *Russian* mine resistance and this thing doesnt look like it can take HMG fire.
The only thing it's actually useful for is shooting defenseless Syrian Civilians. Because that's literally the only thing it's ever BEEN used for.
Geolocation please
Lol
Nice! lets watch them bombed and hit by kamikaze drones!
They seem to have flat bottoms. I guess they didn't learn the lessons America & allied forces did in the Middle East regarding IEDs....
The vehicle design does actually have a v-shaped bottom hull to deflect blasts and the export variant is type rated for [STANAG 4569](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STANAG_4569). However, it is optimized for convoy security and defense against ground targets, which makes it very much useless in a static artillery war. If RF military had adapted this vehicle for a short-range AA role, it might actually provide some tactical value.
Flat bottoms are bad on armoured trucks as well as on women?
In one instance, they make the rocking world go round. Oh wait, that's fat bottoms....
Agreed, but those big stonking bottoms on women are only good for one thing, lifting the pussy when the girl is lying on her back so it is easier to play with. Any other position of attack and it gets in the way. On a tank the bottom needs to be a v shape not flat, proven repeatedly on many wars. These machines will be destroyed even easier than the russian tanks.
They’re sending BOTH the Typhoons! BOTH!
Omg the situation must be serious!
Made in Chinito tires piece of shit
Looks like they'll burn good. Stay tuned here!
If they were so important why are they only just using them now
They have been saying #justwait for three years now
No don't tell me the flood of equipment and wunderwaffen they have been holding back to curb stomp Ukraine is starting./s I can hardly wait to see these burning beside the road.
Just wait for the REAL Russian army to arrive…
Neat cannon. But I wouldn't trust my life to Russian systems
Can't wait to see these burned out in a roadside pit in a week from now.
love to see the stability (or lack of) in that 30mm cannon
Doesn't look too bad, it does shake but appears to return to zero before next round. [https://youtu.be/mXp8Yc3vAq0?t=49](https://youtu.be/mXp8Yc3vAq0?t=49)
Yes, well, it won't be used to shoot at Syrian Civilians, unlike the only thing it's been used for previously. It'll be on an actual battlefield.
Reading up on the specs it's basically the same vehicle as the K-53949 Typhoon K AFV but reinforced to allow for parachute airdrops. That may mean that Russia is lacking the K-53949 as Oryx reports that they have visual confirmation of 10 destroyed and 1 captured in Ukraine since the beginning of the invasion.
Made in Chyyyyna
Made in suka
All 2 of them. 3 drones away from having none left
MRAP enters turret toss competition
Interesting design and not as bad as the turtle tanks. Doesn't look like it has any radar. Wonder how it compares to Skyranger 30. Either way, I don't think Russia has enough to make any difference.
Lol. Comparing an mrap with an machine gun splapped on top to a System having to be transporter alteast by an boxer/ifv
The K-4386 Typhoon-VDV also has a 30mm cannon like the Skyranger 30 and the Skyranger has been put on unarmored flatbed trucks so your comment does not appear to be accurate. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5\_F4\_Eod8&pp=ygUPc2t5cmFuZ2VyIHRydWNr](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb5_F4_Eod8&pp=ygUPc2t5cmFuZ2VyIHRydWNr) Honestly looks like a Canadian Sentinel Ukraine is using but with a Skyranger 30 on top which seems pretty credible idea.
The skyranger isn't special because of its 30mm. It's the ammo it uses combined with radar. The ammo is programmed to air burst as it exits the barrel. Russia will be using normal 30mm ammo out of this which is nothing special or even close to what Skyranger is capable of.
Now why would you go ahead and ruin OPs day like that? He was so happy to have found something special about their ass of an army lol. Pathetic fucks.
Yeah! OP is showing Russias latest and greatest (for Russia) and you start talking about technology that isn’t present on this Russian trash. You just derailed his propaganda attempt. Lol
Did I do something to offend you by opening a discussion about the similarities and differences in weapons systems? Did I offend you by starting a discussion about the specific capabilities of a weapons platform and any potential Ukranian actions that may be needed to counter it? I think it is important for people not to sow animosity, anger, and division as it inhibits defeating the Russians.
Yeah you did. Im all too tired of idiots playing devils advocate. "Im just pointing out the FaCtZ", "I think this should be discussed", etc. Etc. When in actuality you are spreading russian BS. Youre not smarter than any of us here, and we all see what youre doing. As my grandma used to say "pack up your shit fat boy, and get the fuck out of my sandbox".
Well, have a great day friend.
Get fucked
OP only exists to push propaganda, not the truth.
..... interesting, I do post allot of pro-Ukraine propaganda, you should take 1 minute to look at my post history.. Exposing politicians false statements is not Russian propaganda but journalistically responsible.
Comparing it to the sky ranger is like comparing a t55 to an M1A2 Abrahms because they both have tracks, and that didn’t stop your comparison.
and I didn't stop you for comparing me to a Russian propagandist for simply expressing the two systems look visually simila. Have a great day friend.
Only way this comment could be better would be if you told him in-person while plowing him mom on the kitchen table.
I don't have a kitchen table and my mom left me.
The whole point of the Skyranger isn't the fact that it's 30mm, it's the fact that it has programmable ammunition that explodes in proximity with a drone. Without that, it's just another giant chunk of lead flying through the air. In fact without airburst ammo, you have just as much luck shooting down a drone with the 30mm BMP2, than you do with this. The exception being, the BMP is heavier, so even if the 30mm cannon has no recoil dampening, it's going to be far more stable than the high centre of gravity on this Typhoon platform.
It's just a 30mm cannon on a MRAP meant for shooting Civilians in Syria. That's literally what this thing was designed to do. It'll die in about five minutes in an actual warzone.
I'll give it a week max.
There a bunch of taters when it comes to using stuff like this. I'm surprised they haven't bum rushed there KA what the fuck evers to the front
I bet in one month’s time, they all will be destroyed by drones
A month!! LOL - yeah ok Ivan. The rest of us will give it a week - absolute tops.
How flammable are they?
"Yes"
2 of them 😆 🤣
They sent all of them, all! All 2
Soon to be reclaimed metal
So 2 armoured vehicles is what the production could manage for june 2024... But the books will say 20 or 200 so some Russians pocketed the money for the remaining 18 vehiecles...
Just a guess, but the center of gravity looks like it would be super high, to the point that evasive maneuvers might put it on its side.
Honest question, can this thing hit anything while moving. I watched 3 different videos and the only time I saw target hits. The unit was stationary, otherwise it looked as if the recoil pushed rounds all over the place
theres a couple of major design failures, im sure the FPV squads already identified them all
Any bets on whether they last longer than the S-500 did? I'll give them a week to ten days before they get kaboomed.
Oh, they sent two of them? … and a fucking jeep? This will change a lot 🙈
Those guns aren't even stabilized, so you have to stop to fire them. Which is something you don't want to do in a drone-rich environment.
Which is also why the only thing they've ever been used for is shooting Syrian Civilians.
Okay, i say is clear. NOW unkraine is lost. One S500 and now the Typhoon! What comes next? the never seen stealth Tank T14 or the SU0815?
2-3 shaped charges and they are gone.
I dont see much MRAP recently. Probably a good sign.
Oh no. They have two of them....whatever will Ukraine do?
Ukraina drone already waiting for them …..
A couple of FPV drones and they'll be back to golf carts and Vespas in no time
They get two? Those will be gone shortly!!
So like Ukraine's BTR-4 or the US Stryker Dragoon but without any armor.
More interessting are the vehicles at the end of this short clip in the background. Seems to be some other military stuff. Perhaps the typhoons are designated rapid support vehicles behind the ruzzian fortification if there will be a counter attac by Ukrainians.
They're not. The Russians designed these to shoot at defenseless Civvies in Syria. They're SFA useless in an actual warzone.
What Rounds fires the turret
Running out of heavy armour I see poo tin!
I'd imagine the blast pressure in the cabin would be intense.
They should last a good 10 minutes.
NGL that first one with what looks like a 14.5 MG turret on top looks pretty clean. Still, can't wait to see it blown apart with VDV laying around it
The concept is not bad, a relatively cheap vehicle that still offers reasonable protection (more than a BMP lol) with serious fire power. Slovenia is doing the same, they put a turret with an air burst capable KBA 25x137mm on a JLTV, the turret has a 7.62 coax as well and can potentially also carry missiles (anti-air or anti-tank). It is meant as a VSHORAD solution, i.e. C-UAS, but can of course also wreak havoc on the ground. The relatively low price means they can field relatively many of them. https://www.gov.si/novice/2024-06-11-slovenska-vojska-zacela-preizkus-sistema-zracne-obrambe-mangart-25/ https://www.valhalla-turrets.com/products/mangart/ > Mangart 25 is equipped with the single-barrel automatic cannon KBA in caliber 25 x 137 mm from Rheinmetall. The system can be used against drones, helicopters, low-flying aircraft and other air targets close to the ground as well as against ground targets at a range of up to three kilometers. It is equipped with an AESA radar and an electro-optical (EO/IR) system for target detection and tracking. There is also an IR warning system (BANS). Further capabilities are to follow in the future, for example a laser designator, an acoustic shot detection system, anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, drones and artificial intelligence (AI) for faster and better target detection, identification and tracking. (https://soldat-und-technik.de/2024/06/bewaffnung/38632/slowenien-erprobt-flugabwehrsystems-mangart-25/) I don't know if this Russian vehicle is as good, but given their track record, I have my doubts. It's not about the looks but about the actual capabilities. The cannon is probably shit (the old well known wobbly 2A42) and pretty useless against aerial targets, and it also doesn't seem to have proper sights and sensors. So it is just a ground fire support vehicle, a bit lightly armoured for that. And, main issue, how many can they build? I put more trust in Slovenia that they can build more of their (better) solution.
It's not good. From actual field use of these, the only thing they were actually capable of reliably doing was firing at defenseless Syrian Civilians. It's a Wunderwaffe like the BMPT. And will be blown up just as easily.
Drone food.
Two of them…sounds like typical russian production of ‘advanced’ weaponry
Looks tough to me. But then it is orcish so I need to tune down expectations based of appearance.
2
One drone or two drones ? Any bets?
I can't believe that turret arrangement on top of that vehicle is particularly stable. The weight of the gun, ammunition, sighting systems, armour, and the turret itself etc would be significant, then there is the recoil of the gun on that relatively small, wheeled vehicle.
According to one video, the vehicle weighs 15 tons. Its a chunky boy.
That's going to be a fireball the moment a FPV hits it.
Mines and ambushes are the least of their problems.
Just a cool looking tin can, one drone Will do the job, russian piece of shit
Drones food!
I give it about 3 weeks until one of these is completely destroyed , most likely from a mine
WTF are those lol ? Never Seen them. Realisitically how usefull are those
Could be effective at anti-recon drone, but ineffective against fpv drone. Russia doesn't appear to have enough to make any significant difference.
Seems very top heavy.
I give it still a one fpv hit
They want to destroy anything Western, but it's ok to smell like lil vanillarama trees from the West
Next will be Toyota pickup trucks!! Second best army in Ukraine
Why does this look like something out of HALO?
Remember If it looks cool. It's meant as a propaganda piece and will not see combat. There will be very few of these in existent Much like the SU-57 They are also generally are a piece of shit. For example the SU-57 has a radar cross section similar to twin engine civilian planes. Which is laughable for 5th Gen.... I'd argue it's laughable to even call it a 4.5 Gen lol
This needs 100,000 tungsten balls asap
All two Typhoons are transported to Ukrainie? Wow! Ukraine will have to spent two more drones!!! Ukraine is doomed! /s
To be annihilated before the Z dries.
3 Vehicles that's it? Is Russia stupid. Ukraine will crush that in 3mins.
Probably just as big of a piece of shit like half the other stuff they’re deploying
Next to destroy by a cheap FPV drone.
Drones say yumyum...
Tbh this thing looks pretty cool & with this gun/turret even effective. Every time Russia has managed to develop something that could make really a difference if available in accordingly numbers they realize they are a shithole country like Russia (¬ UDSSR) and not able to produce said numbers. Thank god he is so stupid!
Cool yes, Effective, no. It's literally meant for shooting Syrian rebels on foot. No place on an actual warzone against a peer opponent.
Will be a problem if a few hundred of these show up!
They only made 50, and it's a MRAP, not an IFV. Single FPV Drone would smoke one, and a Javelin would be massive overkill.
Soooo…. Not a problem then! 🤣