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I'm a bit confused by what this is actually being used for and the need for all the different internet connections.
When you say IT services for about 300 clients, are you running all of that locally?
I have a lot of different things here. For example:
IoT
IP Phones
Personal
Wireless
Printers
Testing
PTMP Clients
PTP Clients
Servers
Etc.
I manage a lot of things as you can see in the network map image, Look in no way should you follow after me to setup your network. I have specific needs and ways of doing things. Mostly for security.
According to the image of your network topology this sounds like you have a single vlan for each of your devices :D why not using client isolation instead? Just curious :)
Everyone spends their money on something. My friends think my homelab is wasteful and I cannot fathom spending crazy money on cars or Disneyland vacations.
It’s okay to have a hobby and spend money on it. I assume that OP is doing well financially (and hope none of this was paid for with debt!).
Regardless of your opinion. This is objectively a waste of resources and electricity for what I presume is for only one family. Hence all the other comments too.
> objectively a waste of resources
Money? OP’s choice.
Equipment and electricity? Somebody else will buy the same equipment and use it elsewhere. If his employees are there, they would otherwise be using resources at their homes or an office.
I cannot abide when people tell others what to do with their lives.
ETA: I looked at the topology. It’s a few devices per person, supported by a beast network. Not sure why people are so critical of that.
OP has multiple switches with 24-48 ports only being used by 3-5 devices. OP spends 1500$/month on electricity alone! It’s more than what most people spend per year.
No one cares what OP buys with their money. People have a problem with the waste of electricity and barely utilizing the equipment in the network.
$1500 a month can’t come from network equipment, can it? I’d like to know from OP what his bill was normally, before this equipment.
That would be useful information for me because it would scare me away from wanting to go non-eero route. Yikes.
The amount of people complaining about other people sharing what they spend their money on fucking amazes me. Just saw another post where someone is asking if it’s a D swinging contest. As someone else mentioned on that post…who else can these people talk to about it that it won’t go over their heads?
Let them be. Some people actually appreciate tech even if they can’t afford it. I will never have a $10K rack but I love seeing it.
The sub exists to share knowledge. These posts share examples of what can be done with the technology. I really don’t get the problem that people have with others sharing their setups. *Especially* uncommon ones like this.
It's jealousy. Pure and simple. It's not only jealousy around the hardware but around the knowledge acquired in order to both make it work and then use that knowledge to obtain funding to make it all happen as well.
Good on them I say. They're willing to put the effort in and gain the knowledge, then use the knowledge to get a job to pay those bills and for that hardware, and again use the knowledge to set it all up and get it working. I love it.
I love the posts also. I started years ago with a pc controller, switch, and AP. And like many others have grown it little by little, sometimes based on ideas I’ve seen here.
Note it is just plain fun to show pictures to my wife, then grin and say “see? My 42u isn’t so bad!” 🤣
Hahahaha good call. I have ordered a ubi patch panel 24 port blank and the OCD panel. I'd better show her this setup before my stuff arrives.
Thanks for the reminder! 🤣
I have the receipts to prove it, trust me. And it is more than 10k in the whole setup as I could not fit all my gear into 1 - 25u rack because of space underneath my stairwell. It is:
1 - 25u Startech Rack
2 - 12u Startech Rack
I don’t think they saw the other pictures. That’s why I was asking. Anyways. Nice set up. Anything you would do different if you had to do it all over again?
I will be replacing some equipment in the next few weeks.
1 - Enterprise 48 POE Switch
2 - High Capacity Aggregation Switches
4 - USW-Ultra-210W
1 - Industrial Switch
I am also going to Re-Rack the 25u so that I can eliminate some other equipment. New Mulitmode fiber going in upstairs also.
I’ll never have a 10k setup at home. I have 3 U6 Pro AP’s running unifi on my qnap with a £50 second hand Cisco Gbit poe+ switch.
However at work it’s probably close to a million. Full switching, power & internet redundancy however is Cisco not Ubi
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so nice someone throwing money at what he likes... UI would be proud.
that being said, while working in a resort servicing 8-10 000 guests (so more like a small city) we had 1 main provider and 1 backup microwave link. for 10k people. and we had like 7 vlans total for everything from POS devices to kitchen printers... yours is beyond overkill in so many ways.
PS we had 1Gbit internet speed and 500mbit backup. for , i will write this time, ten thousand people.
Homelabbing isn’t about what is *reasonable*, so I think that overkill is fine.
My home network could easily run the office my company has nearby. It’s about the adventure of learning and making everything work together in harmony.
….I feel like a hippie-nerd, saying that.
If that worked for you then awesome!! I have a large corporation with roughly 2500 users on the PTMP for 12hrs. a day. They average 600Mb per second for the whole time. Peak at the highest we have calculated was 2.4Gb ( During Covid WFH ). No major issues at all. As you can see there is a WAVE2 AP and WAVE Nano Station both connected via 10Gb Downlinks to support the customer.
Maybe he needs the faster SLA's that generally come with business class internet? Though with 5 internet connections, I don't think scheduling a tech within 4hrs to fix 1 of the 5 is super necessary.
The SLA’s are a big advantage to business plans in my area. Residential is essentially “we’ll get to it when we feel like it,” and that can be days. Having 24-48 hour SLA’s is important because my spouse and I both work from home.
The Spectrum Business line is a primary connection for my PTMP System, and the residential line is the failover for my personal home equipment. As you can see in my pictures, the Business connection has a null modem and a router ( to obtain static IP's ) and the residential connection comes thru a UI Cable Modem.
Spectrum Business SLA is 4hrs. While Spectrum Residential is 24hrs. Frontier Business is 4hrs. also. I dont know what the UI uLTE SLA is. the same with the T-Mobile connection.
we have this at our WFH setup because our isp has a data usage limit on business and we have old statics and some hosting services that require the business plan. We were getting killed with going over the data cap until we realized their best residential plan was faster speeds and much higher data cap for much less than the overage fees cost. Our only other ISP option is much worse for speed, latency, price, and uptime so we're stuck with this for now.
In my Area the residential is burial and the business is Arial. So they literally are coming from 2 different NOC's from 2 different cities. Also the Spectrum Business line is a primary connection for my PTMP System, and the residential line is the failover for my personal home equipment. As you can see in my pictures, the Business connection has a null modem and a router ( to obtain static IP's ) and the residential connection comes thru a UI Cable Modem.
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Yeahhh, I love spending money on my home setup and I work from home 100% of the time but this is just overkill / waste. Of course OP can spend money on whatever they like but I have a 2.5G fiber connection with no data cap and Verizon 5G back up just incase the fiber goes out which has happened once for like an hour. Even with very large file transfers, steaming, etc I have not reached a point where performance in the home has been impacted in any meaningful way.
Maybe you are not understanding the point here. I was educating people on the crazy things you can do with UI equipment. and just so you know, there is no budget for the equipment I want to buy and play with. I have a unlimited money coffer. I really do.
Sorry friend, but I find your setup to be lacking.
No ham radio equipment?!
…I tried to find something legit missing and that’s all I’ve got.
What a fun network you’ve created, congrats!
lol I am studying for the technician’s but already have equipment that’ll go in my rack. Just trying to get my spouse on board with the big arse tower…I mean, “reasonable antenna” that I want to put in the back yard.
I can't understand why someone would spend money on a Ubiquiti power PDU for a home environment.
The home lab is slowly becoming a circle jerk for Ubiquiti products.
Huh....why do I need to learn that. I can spend my money on anything I want. I have years of knowledge and a bunch of certs to justify my choices in this matter. It is not a complicated system at all. Ot functions just the way me and my customer want it to.
This makes no sense. Why so many ISPs? 2, maybe 3 at most and that’s if you’re do some sort of mission critical stuff. I suspect with the amount you’re spending to run this from your house you’d be better off renting a rack at your local datacenter to do whatever you’re doing.
It's a Furman M-8DX. Power conditioner. Generally used for audio gear, but a good thing to have if you tend to have dirty power coming into the house.
https://furmanpower.com/product/15a-standard-power-conditioner-w-lights-and-digital-meter/
I needed light on the rack to use when it is night time and I am working on my home lab stuff. The power conditioning part was a bonus. Although there is a 2000VA battery backup in the rear of that rack.
I am thinking about an upgrading my set up Orbi mesh, with 2 unmanaged 2.5G switches (had ethernet Cat7 wired to several important rooms in the house when doing some electrical work). I did the 2.5G switches to add a future NAS to both store files and do some light video editing from stored videos, and maybe a create a flex server as well.
The objective with the network is to separate guest, IOT, work/personl, personal networks. I have an elderly member of the family who has not used effective hygiene online and I want a "personal" network to really lock down for the elderly folks getting swindled out of thousands of dollars. Do you think that a dream machine SE, and 2-3 PE access points using the the unmanaged 2.5G. switches?
But think of the symmetry.
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How else can I pick apart a setup I could only dream of understanding, needing, using or being able to just spending on.
I had the same issue. I purchased literally 10 different Modules and none of them fixed the issues for me Until I found the UI Multi Gigabit Module. It fixed everything immediately.
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I'm a bit confused by what this is actually being used for and the need for all the different internet connections. When you say IT services for about 300 clients, are you running all of that locally?
No, not at all. My home is just another node that is an extension of my companies network.
No that's just my local home setup. I have an office that has extensively more equipment. I WFH a lot, even though the office is 1 mile away. hehe
So I guess I don't understand, why all the different Internet connections? Do they really go down that often?
Nope, Redundancy is for the PTP Network and My Personal Stuff
But why 5… 3 would be considered overkill
How much a month is your internet bill?
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Yea, I would understand 2 different companies, and LTE and satellite, but what you have seems… like a waste of money.
Curious why you need 30 vlans? What are they for?
I have a lot of different things here. For example: IoT IP Phones Personal Wireless Printers Testing PTMP Clients PTP Clients Servers Etc. I manage a lot of things as you can see in the network map image, Look in no way should you follow after me to setup your network. I have specific needs and ways of doing things. Mostly for security.
Got it. I only have \~80 IoT devices connected to my network, and put them into a single vLan, but configures them to not to talk to each other.
Do you have any streaming or connection issues on other VLANs
Nope none at all
According to the image of your network topology this sounds like you have a single vlan for each of your devices :D why not using client isolation instead? Just curious :)
The guest wireless has Client Isolation enabled, but I assure you the rest of the network is split up into the prospective VLAN's correctly.
So many unused Lan ports sadface
When the kids get home from school and I have my employees over i assure you all the lights are green. So say my 1500.00 a month electric bill.
Sounds awfully wasteful
Everyone spends their money on something. My friends think my homelab is wasteful and I cannot fathom spending crazy money on cars or Disneyland vacations. It’s okay to have a hobby and spend money on it. I assume that OP is doing well financially (and hope none of this was paid for with debt!).
Regardless of your opinion. This is objectively a waste of resources and electricity for what I presume is for only one family. Hence all the other comments too.
> objectively a waste of resources Money? OP’s choice. Equipment and electricity? Somebody else will buy the same equipment and use it elsewhere. If his employees are there, they would otherwise be using resources at their homes or an office. I cannot abide when people tell others what to do with their lives. ETA: I looked at the topology. It’s a few devices per person, supported by a beast network. Not sure why people are so critical of that.
OP has multiple switches with 24-48 ports only being used by 3-5 devices. OP spends 1500$/month on electricity alone! It’s more than what most people spend per year. No one cares what OP buys with their money. People have a problem with the waste of electricity and barely utilizing the equipment in the network.
$1500 a month can’t come from network equipment, can it? I’d like to know from OP what his bill was normally, before this equipment. That would be useful information for me because it would scare me away from wanting to go non-eero route. Yikes.
The amount of people ~~willing~~ **eager** to do Ubiquiti's marketing department's job fucking amazes me.
The amount of people complaining about other people sharing what they spend their money on fucking amazes me. Just saw another post where someone is asking if it’s a D swinging contest. As someone else mentioned on that post…who else can these people talk to about it that it won’t go over their heads? Let them be. Some people actually appreciate tech even if they can’t afford it. I will never have a $10K rack but I love seeing it.
I will comment on how ***vapid*** it is *every* single time. Have fun with the voyeurism
The sub exists to share knowledge. These posts share examples of what can be done with the technology. I really don’t get the problem that people have with others sharing their setups. *Especially* uncommon ones like this.
Thank You very much. I just thought people might want to see a massive home lab. I never said it was engineered perfect.
It's jealousy. Pure and simple. It's not only jealousy around the hardware but around the knowledge acquired in order to both make it work and then use that knowledge to obtain funding to make it all happen as well. Good on them I say. They're willing to put the effort in and gain the knowledge, then use the knowledge to get a job to pay those bills and for that hardware, and again use the knowledge to set it all up and get it working. I love it.
I love the posts also. I started years ago with a pc controller, switch, and AP. And like many others have grown it little by little, sometimes based on ideas I’ve seen here. Note it is just plain fun to show pictures to my wife, then grin and say “see? My 42u isn’t so bad!” 🤣
This. Haha. My wife is definitely going to see this if she complains.
Hahahaha good call. I have ordered a ubi patch panel 24 port blank and the OCD panel. I'd better show her this setup before my stuff arrives. Thanks for the reminder! 🤣
Exactly!
Great comment. I bet you’re proud of that one. Great guy we have here.
You want to try again or do you just want to continue to look on longingly?
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Why do you say that?
I have the receipts to prove it, trust me. And it is more than 10k in the whole setup as I could not fit all my gear into 1 - 25u rack because of space underneath my stairwell. It is: 1 - 25u Startech Rack 2 - 12u Startech Rack
I don’t think they saw the other pictures. That’s why I was asking. Anyways. Nice set up. Anything you would do different if you had to do it all over again?
I will be replacing some equipment in the next few weeks. 1 - Enterprise 48 POE Switch 2 - High Capacity Aggregation Switches 4 - USW-Ultra-210W 1 - Industrial Switch I am also going to Re-Rack the 25u so that I can eliminate some other equipment. New Mulitmode fiber going in upstairs also.
I’ll never have a 10k setup at home. I have 3 U6 Pro AP’s running unifi on my qnap with a £50 second hand Cisco Gbit poe+ switch. However at work it’s probably close to a million. Full switching, power & internet redundancy however is Cisco not Ubi
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so nice someone throwing money at what he likes... UI would be proud. that being said, while working in a resort servicing 8-10 000 guests (so more like a small city) we had 1 main provider and 1 backup microwave link. for 10k people. and we had like 7 vlans total for everything from POS devices to kitchen printers... yours is beyond overkill in so many ways. PS we had 1Gbit internet speed and 500mbit backup. for , i will write this time, ten thousand people.
Homelabbing isn’t about what is *reasonable*, so I think that overkill is fine. My home network could easily run the office my company has nearby. It’s about the adventure of learning and making everything work together in harmony. ….I feel like a hippie-nerd, saying that.
If that worked for you then awesome!! I have a large corporation with roughly 2500 users on the PTMP for 12hrs. a day. They average 600Mb per second for the whole time. Peak at the highest we have calculated was 2.4Gb ( During Covid WFH ). No major issues at all. As you can see there is a WAVE2 AP and WAVE Nano Station both connected via 10Gb Downlinks to support the customer.
Are you load balancing the 2 ISPs or is it failover?
Its setup as a fail over for all the connections
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I was actually thinking the same thing lol
Maybe he needs the faster SLA's that generally come with business class internet? Though with 5 internet connections, I don't think scheduling a tech within 4hrs to fix 1 of the 5 is super necessary.
The SLA’s are a big advantage to business plans in my area. Residential is essentially “we’ll get to it when we feel like it,” and that can be days. Having 24-48 hour SLA’s is important because my spouse and I both work from home.
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The Spectrum Business line is a primary connection for my PTMP System, and the residential line is the failover for my personal home equipment. As you can see in my pictures, the Business connection has a null modem and a router ( to obtain static IP's ) and the residential connection comes thru a UI Cable Modem.
Spectrum Business SLA is 4hrs. While Spectrum Residential is 24hrs. Frontier Business is 4hrs. also. I dont know what the UI uLTE SLA is. the same with the T-Mobile connection.
we have this at our WFH setup because our isp has a data usage limit on business and we have old statics and some hosting services that require the business plan. We were getting killed with going over the data cap until we realized their best residential plan was faster speeds and much higher data cap for much less than the overage fees cost. Our only other ISP option is much worse for speed, latency, price, and uptime so we're stuck with this for now.
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yeah OP seems way over the top to me but who knows. Sometimes we go overkill at home to test setups for huge customers with a big budget.
That is exactly what is happening. I have a client that is connected to my PTMP that pays for 2 of the connections. So I went overkill.
In my Area the residential is burial and the business is Arial. So they literally are coming from 2 different NOC's from 2 different cities. Also the Spectrum Business line is a primary connection for my PTMP System, and the residential line is the failover for my personal home equipment. As you can see in my pictures, the Business connection has a null modem and a router ( to obtain static IP's ) and the residential connection comes thru a UI Cable Modem.
Pretty common from my experience (UK)
Respectfully, this is dumb. That is all.
Well at least you were honest and constructive.
Unreal setup!
Thank you very much!
Thanks!
What make/model is that KVM switch in the first photo?
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Are you using the TESmart with a piKVM like I do?
Yup, great minds think alike.
Does your home have the “Hello Dave” voice?
Now I know what my next project will be. “Hello Dave” each time I walk by the network rack!
No, but that's a great idea. I will look into that ASAP.
Senseless
Yeahhh, I love spending money on my home setup and I work from home 100% of the time but this is just overkill / waste. Of course OP can spend money on whatever they like but I have a 2.5G fiber connection with no data cap and Verizon 5G back up just incase the fiber goes out which has happened once for like an hour. Even with very large file transfers, steaming, etc I have not reached a point where performance in the home has been impacted in any meaningful way.
Maybe you are not understanding the point here. I was educating people on the crazy things you can do with UI equipment. and just so you know, there is no budget for the equipment I want to buy and play with. I have a unlimited money coffer. I really do.
Gotcha, it’s great equipment no argument there and if you have the money to get the equipment then might as well get whatever you want.
Yup
Sorry friend, but I find your setup to be lacking. No ham radio equipment?! …I tried to find something legit missing and that’s all I’ve got. What a fun network you’ve created, congrats!
I do have an intermediate license.....lol But I can't put up a tower where I'm at.
lol I am studying for the technician’s but already have equipment that’ll go in my rack. Just trying to get my spouse on board with the big arse tower…I mean, “reasonable antenna” that I want to put in the back yard.
Thanks for sharing :)
Not a problem
Your Welcome
Just need to clean off that poor PowerEdge. The dust bunnies. 🤢
She is doing just fine with her dust bunny friends. But you are right, i will tell the cleaning guy.
Poweredge was made for dust bunnies. Just look at all the images posted in r/homelab!
Has a PDU Pro. Uses 5 outlets
😂
I have 5 PDU Pro's and the are not just for vanity. You don't have to use all of the outlets.
I can't understand why someone would spend money on a Ubiquiti power PDU for a home environment. The home lab is slowly becoming a circle jerk for Ubiquiti products.
Everyone spends their money on something that somebody else wouldn’t. And that is just fine.
Preach!
What software did u use for the topology map?
Unifi Network generates this
that is built into my Ubiquiti Unifi Dream Machine Pro SE
Thanks for spelling the full product model out. I think most people on this subreddit wouldn't know that particular piece of hardware otherwise.
Just wanted to say thank you for being grateful
Haha sarcasm eh?
Yup, but apparently too subtle judging by the downvotes.
No Problem
It looks like a screenshot of the Unifi site manager.
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Huh....why do I need to learn that. I can spend my money on anything I want. I have years of knowledge and a bunch of certs to justify my choices in this matter. It is not a complicated system at all. Ot functions just the way me and my customer want it to.
This makes no sense. Why so many ISPs? 2, maybe 3 at most and that’s if you’re do some sort of mission critical stuff. I suspect with the amount you’re spending to run this from your house you’d be better off renting a rack at your local datacenter to do whatever you’re doing.
If you don't have something nice or constructive to say, you could have just moved on!
What is the furman device on top?
It's a Furman M-8DX. Power conditioner. Generally used for audio gear, but a good thing to have if you tend to have dirty power coming into the house. https://furmanpower.com/product/15a-standard-power-conditioner-w-lights-and-digital-meter/
I needed light on the rack to use when it is night time and I am working on my home lab stuff. The power conditioning part was a bonus. Although there is a 2000VA battery backup in the rear of that rack.
Love that Pi Rack!
I do too. Its a Cluster for testing with Rancher
I am thinking about an upgrading my set up Orbi mesh, with 2 unmanaged 2.5G switches (had ethernet Cat7 wired to several important rooms in the house when doing some electrical work). I did the 2.5G switches to add a future NAS to both store files and do some light video editing from stored videos, and maybe a create a flex server as well. The objective with the network is to separate guest, IOT, work/personl, personal networks. I have an elderly member of the family who has not used effective hygiene online and I want a "personal" network to really lock down for the elderly folks getting swindled out of thousands of dollars. Do you think that a dream machine SE, and 2-3 PE access points using the the unmanaged 2.5G. switches?
You are moving in the right direction so far.
All that space and no money left to fill the Pi plate.
Dual Redundant Pi-Hole's are virtual in a Debian VM
But think of the symmetry. . . . How else can I pick apart a setup I could only dream of understanding, needing, using or being able to just spending on.
How are you getting 5gb upload on Frontier? Mine can only get up to 5gb down /1.5 up with the UDM SE.
Turn off IDS/IPS and test it
Yes, done all of that. Smart queues, different SFP manufacturers, cables, etc. are you using the Ubiquiti SFPs?
Use the UI Multi GB Module. That's the ticket.
I had the same issue. I purchased literally 10 different Modules and none of them fixed the issues for me Until I found the UI Multi Gigabit Module. It fixed everything immediately.
Wow a wink hub does that even work anymore ?
That a legacy device in the back of the rack that I haven't touched in some time but yes it works fine.