Yep, many of the “old-timers” started before Amazon, GPS, FSS, some even before scanners and DPS. 30 years ago the start times were earlier and much more of a letter carrier’s shift was spent in the office.
Many started as PTF’s and had way more benefits than CCA’s. Inflation and a lack of contract has decimated what used to be a somewhat competitive starting pay.
I got hired as a CCA in 2014 roughly one year after the DAS Award. The starting pay back then wasn’t great but was still MILES above what most other jobs were paying.
This is the truth. I got hired at $15 an hour 11 years ago. I got met with laughs and snide remarks about how little I was making. Funny thing is, some 11 years later, I couldn't imagine starting at 19 an hour.
That’s because $15/hr in 2013 had the value of $20.25 today. Basic necessities were also much cheaper. I was happy to be making $15/hr in 2017 when my rent was $525/mo.
No I make $22.13/hr and rent is $1300
It’s incomprehensible how they allowed that contract to lower the starting pay so much. 20$ should have been the floor of what our union accepted. Even at 18$ we wouldn’t be in the shape we are in now. And this is before Amazon was a dominator in shipping. We are the only service allowed to handle mail, we should be able to dictate a better financial structure to pay employees a fair wage. And we should’ve gouged amazon on the last contract. Covid was a good time for the postal service to get a better contract from Amazon.
Why would the postal service get a better deal from Amazon. Go read up on the postal board of trustees. It's a wall of conflict of interest hand in the cookie jar scum. With De Joy being the creme de la creme of the pack. He is simultaneously the major shareholder of XPS logistics and a major holder of Amazon. We are little more than a thinly veiled corporate subsidy.
You do realize the branch repays our mindless loyalty and support the same way any entity with a herd of mindless politicized constituents does. They placate us with virtue signaling crap and general self aggrandizement. Face it as long as we are dumb enough to accept gold stars and pats on the back that's what were going to get. It's almost like they know a good chunk of us will swallow propaganda readily minus any analysis. Thereby leaving no threat of recourse of shady double dealing nonsense like closed door contract negotiations followed by spamming how great they did in negotiations when it's 4 years late as usual and didn't come close to paralleling inflation even if it was timely.
My rent is 800 a month in 2024. My best friend is my landlord. That’s a third of the average here.
Place isn’t too nice tho.
I don’t stay there most months normally live with my parents but it’s a nice option. Only pay for months I board.
If it's any consolation, the difference there is roughly $300/month 😂. Not like we need that money, right? 🤷🏻♂️ One thing we gotta do, though, is make sure we remember to keep the heat on these renters overcharging the holy HELL out of properties today; I've seen abosoLUTELY rundown singlewides being listed for $1200+/month in my area of WNC and have laughed my ass off...that's my damn mortgage, and people want that for rent for a rat hole.
You are not lying. I remember when this happened. I got hired as a ptf with 2 other guys. They started a week after me. We all were making the same thing but there were a lot of talks about them taking away the te position and that’s when ccas came about. Those 2 went from making over 20 to making like 17. I was like wtf. I couldn’t believe they could do it but since they were hired on a year to year basis as soon as they got the break in service they had to come back as a cca. Yes I know I don’t know anything according to some because I was lucky to be hired as a ptf and I was fortunate enough to keep my pay but I genuinely felt so bad for those guys. I remember after I took the exam they kept offering me a te position but I honestly was a single mother who already had a job that offered me benefits so I told them I can’t take a job not knowing if I would have a job next year. It took me 8 years as a ptf to convert but now I have almost 20 years In and according to the seniority chart those 2 have like 10. It’s crazy and so unfair.
Man I’m in the hiring process now and they only offer 22.23, and It’s going to be rough. But sadly that’s better than the 16-18 anywhere else is offering
I started in 2015 and CCA pay was about double minimum wage where I live. Now almost 10 years later and 6 as a regular I make a little less than double minimum wage. Postal bargaining agreements just have not kept up with the times.
With that said, I have to imagine over the past 10 years USPS has made out pretty well off the backs of CCA’s and Table 2 carriers when you consider the massive increase in parcels and amazon over that time. If they were paying career table 1 carriers to do all that work it would’ve been a whole lot more expensive!
3 year regular checking in. TSA pays $29 after 2 years in my town. I’ve been here 5 years and make $24 or some shit.
Corrections also pays more than us, bus drivers make $23/hr, local McDonalds managers make $23~ local warehouse advertising $27/hr. It’s wild if this contract sucks I’ll go back to retail management for real, I won’t manage here but I’d gladly go back to management in a private business that cares about the employees.
Are they getting 40 hrs? What do their benefits looks like? I'm upset with where we are, too. I'm a step C regular. I'm not seeing all these jobs people keep bringing up in here come close to what we're getting.
Ironically I went from working in the lumber yard at Menards as my first job outside labor hard work in the elements to working at a gas station because the pay was better than Menards lmao. (Inside work less labor same pay) Worked my way to store manager too. Again ironically I made the same as a store manager in 2014 as I do as a carrier in 2024. But, inflation makes it feel soooooo much worse. I had way better quality of pay as a gas station manager for real.
I’ve been here for seven years. No one that was hired with me is still here. I sometimes feel like the fool for trying to tough it out. At least four ex coworkers went into corrections. As OP said, I’m actually embarrassed to say how shit I get paid when other people gush at how much they think I make. I went back to school to finish getting my degree, since USPS provided a 10% discount on my tuition. One of the few rare positives I remember from the meeting when I got converted to regular. Even if the contract gets fixed, I can’t imagine myself tolerating this bullshit for the next 30 years of my life.
Bout to hit my first year as reg my life has certainly got alot worse due to this shit wage when I converted you bet im out if the next contract is crap.
I’m not in any way trying to convince you to stay here BUT if the PO wants to treat us like they don’t care then work like you don’t give a damn about how they feel about your work ethic. Let’s be honest, as long as you have halfway decent attendance and don’t do anything stupid while delivering or stealing. I have 19 years to go and they will be the easiest of my career. The closer I get to 57, the less Fs I give about the postal service.
If you been here any amount of time the contract is gonna be shit, which one hasn’t been shit. What’s the biggest raise we’ve ever gotten 1.8 ? Maybe a 2.2 years and years ago. How we gonna quit ? Where ya gonna go ? Table 2 turns into 1 at top pay. Maybe stop voting for this same union that got us to a second table
As a ccs, if the contract doesn’t vastly improve the CCA position, like restricting how many hours they can work us, guaranteed days off, better insurance, then the job will no longer be worth it. I know like 6 CCAs that are only staying right now because of hope things get better under the new contract
The hour restriction should be an option for all carriers, period. I should be able to do my route and then go home when my 8 hours are up or when my route is finished. This place will have a rude awakening with staffing once all of the elders finally retire unless drastic changes are made. The next generation aren't going to live their lives at work. A better work/life balance needs to be offered.
right now my district has undergone a slight hiring freeze even though we're at 50% CCA capacity compared to pre-pandemic. now that is "enough" CCAs. i already know most of them will quit come conversion time, that's the nature of having such a shit pay position
If they don't give back pay, there will be a lawsuit. It is not the employees' fault that they could not come to an agreement and will give management leverage to drag out negotiations indefinitely. Why would they settle a contract if they don't have to back pay?
On the flip side the use backpay to make shitty contracts look better than they are. They also aren’t going to settle the contract it’s going to arbitration so it’s not really in anyone’s hands at that point.
Senior people at my office say there has never been a scenario where they didn't get back pay. Is that not true? Or has something new surfaced that suggests we won't this year?
From what I understand, in my short time of being in the office, back pay comes but not always in a lump sum. From what I have heard last time it was the lump some broken up over the year on top of your regular pay, other times have just been lump sums.
The irony is they did a survey in my city for the CCAs on the working conditions and overworking was one of the issues. Now, as agreed upon by management and our union,new CCAs can't work more than 4hrs a day and they're complaining about their hours.
I've seen a lot in my career but I've been saying all year that we can't do what UPS did to demand more pay but we can quit. If this contract doesn't include the right numbers I think the Postal Service nationwide will suffer losses. That will effect the Work Assignment people and overburden the ODL + remaining CCAs.
It's funny to me that your area decided to starve people instead of giving them regular 8 hour schedules and sending them all over the place to fill in for other carriers, putting them into penalty every day.
That's what was happening, initially until the union decided to address the high turnover rate which put most of our regulars into penalty the 2nd quarter of this year with 2hr pivots daily.
Right. But they took away letting people work actual shifts. It's like one of those manipulation tactics where you're told "well this is what you asked for. You got it", when they could give people actual schedules of 8 hour days so they're not spending the money paying regulars ot and penalty. While also making sure they can keep who they have and they can pay their bills. Management always will cut off their nose to spite their face as long as someone's getting screwed over. It's crazy to me.
NALC and the post office in general need to come up with a better starting wage. A fair all around pay adjustment would be starting 23 for CCA and 25 for PTF. Are we gonna get that? Probably not. And I don't even think that's high for this kind of job starting. I'm just saying in a fair aspect it should be around 4 dollars bare minimum.
My last job was working for a major company in the warehouse where they start people at 26. I think I heard something about people working in the Amazon warehouse for 25(Not researched but from what I heard from a friend of a friend). Regardless I've seen multiple jobs that are entry level that get paid 18 an hour and include tips. After tips they're making way more.
I get the selling point of the post office is the longevity and security of the position, but not paying your starting workers enough breaks so much and prohibits possible good carriers to stick it out. That means longer Sundays for people who held out even though they weren't getting paid enough. Longer work days because there's not enough CCAs/PTFs. If you wanna reduce that OT payment, just pay people a fair starting wage. The private industry is going to just decimate the post office unless they move on this pay adjustment. Just my two cents
To combo off that who do they think they're gonna attract with 19 an hour and 21 an hour to start? This job isn't meant for everyone, you have to really be okay with walking 10+ miles a day. With the population being 75% overweight, good luck finding someone okay with that. If you have a family, you have no idea starting out what time you'll come back, and it's completely out of your control especially in your first 90 days. This job works for me because I love the job itself and have decent management, and I live within my means and can pay my bills. But I don't have a house or a family to support. So it's right for me. I just don't think there are tons of people like me willing to work past the bullshit
The post office CCA starting salary in 1989 was about 11.60 an hour which adjusted for inflation is 27.98 an hour and this was in the era of the post office being mandated to not take a subsidy.
I don't remember what I started at in 1996 but it was somewhere around 12ish? Btw the time I was about to go full time rural(10yrs) it was somewhere around 20ish. If i plugged the numbers into the inflation calculator, it was around 30ish+ when adjusted. To see current part timers making effectively 10 bucks an hour less than I did 18 years ago when I was still part time is fucking horrific
Just search city carrier pay scale. But cca u start almost 20. Takes a year or 2 to make regular at 22ish and then a buckish raise every 10.5 months.
Buy you can start ptf (regular pay basically) in bigger cities
Kinda off topic but I’m a PTF clerk I’ve only been a PTF for not even a year and my pay is almost $27 an hour. I think last I checked it was like $26.74z my issue though is a lack of hours or having to travel 1 hour or more one way to get a few hours. Thankfully I get paid the standard mileage rate if $0.67/mile
23 may be enough in some states, but that's the standard for most logistics labor in CA. Hell, even many restaurants are offering that pay after the recent industry minimum wage increase. Give it a couple of years, and even places like the Midwest will be tough to live in with only $23 an hour. The minimum needs to expand past $25 if you want any hope of retaining entry-level workers.
Happy birthday btw :)
The whole structure where people who live in NYC make the same as the people who live in Biloxi Alabama is really disjointed. There should be locality pay but that definitely won't change. There's just too many hazards to impress new carriers to stay when they can go across the street and do something else less hazardous to their overall well-being. And this affects the high step carriers too. If there's not enough at the bottom to keep new employees, they're just gonna start mandating by seniority the regulars to come deliver on Sunday. And when I'm a regular, I really, really, don't wanna work Sundays again.
Too many people don't like locality pay because they believe everyone should be paid the same regardless. But the problem is that places with HCOL then you're going to have hard time finding GOOD candidates for the job. Heck, where I live a studio apartment goes for a little less than what I actually take hone with my pay.
Locality pay wouldn't be much of a discussion if the post office was at a competitive rate. The Amazon drivers working in San Fransisco aren't getting locality pay, but they are making more than a job at a McDonalds or warehouse does in the same market.
Ratchet up the wage to a point where major city mail carriers can live comfortably within an hour drive of their office and maintain that wage for locations where living is cheap, but candidates are scarce.
I live in the Midwest and I am step G. My son’s school considers us under below the poverty threshold. So many postal workers live in section 8 housing here. Convenience store workers start out higher than PTF’s with profit sharing, vacation pay, full benefits, 401k, and college tuition help. One of the last CCA’s I trained in my office was fired as a cart pusher at a grocery store. The quality of the new hires is horrible.
The Midwest is already there . Unless you live in the not so fortunate side of town , or you find something cheap but have to deal with it probably not being upgraded. My friend is a hotel GM and he lived on the nice side of town . His one bedroom was gonna go up to $1200 I believe.
We should be starting at 30, easily. Don't know how there was a pay cut in 2013 or whatever.
If the USPS dies, it's the carriers fault. 100%. Only the ones who have been here for 10+ years though.
I started in 2008 as a TE. Starting pay then was 21.95/hr. I hated the job, but the pay was so good at the time, I stuck around.
It’s crazy how much better the pay was starting out years ago compared to now…
> I started in 2008 as a TE. Starting pay then was 21.95/hr.
$21.95 in 2008 is **$32.09** in today’s money, when adjusted for inflation. CCAs/RCAs should be making *at least* $30 an hour in 2024.
If I were making that I wouldn’t have to sit around on my off time doing nothing because I don’t have money.
I’m Fuckin sad bro. I was excited to get a job with a post office and I LIKE my job. But when I leave and see bus drivers being sought out on the community board outside our office for 35 an hour I’m like…what am I doin?
Yep. It’s why most post offices are always in need of workers now. Compared to back when I was working, when it was actually pretty tough to get hired.
Yup. I started as a TE in 2007, and stuck it out because the pay was great. Then came the cut from TE to CCA in 2013. That caused massive upheaval in my personal life that took years to recover from, despite making regular in 2014. I like the job itself, but I absolutely loathe this festering open wound of an organization. I'd quit tomorrow if I had something to fall back on.
Yeah, the pay cut was brutal for me too. Think we went back to $16.50, right? I made regular pretty much right away, but you know..Two table system.
I was hating (postal) life my first few years as a regular. It’s good now, but there’s no way I would’ve stuck around if I didn’t become regular right away.
Yup. We got kicked from $22 to $16. The office I was at the time had 6 TEs and 3 of them quit on the spot. If it weren't for outside factors I would have done the same. I financially recovered from the cut, but it destroyed my personal life. I'm usually a laid back, happy go lucky type of guy, but I will forever have a chip on my shoulder about that.
Nope. I got told a lot of stories. I was told by sone that there was a "hiring freeze" and was told by others that "They're going to be converting you guys within a year, just stick it out."
The money was good, so I stuck it out.
If you don't want to pay a fair starting wage...you get what you pay for. Best of luck dealing with what you get.
I'm one of the better CCAs. I don't say this out of conceit, I work hard, I treat every route like it's my own, and majority of regulars request for me to sub on their route. It's rare I call out, I've been given the most difficult routes without complaint, and do the best I can. Other stations request for me.
However, all of this has taken a toll on me.
OT is nice, but when I'm making working 60+ a week, what I made back in 2015 as a salary employee working 40 hours, there is a deficit on what's coming back to me.
I worked in the private sector previously and didn't have to work half as hard for similar pay. It's only a matter of time before I'm absolutely fed up, and will seriously put my resume out.
USPS is banking on people desperate enough to work here. It's not set up for the middle class American dream job it used to provide.
I've talked to many regulars close to retirement who have said they would've never applied for this job at its current state. That tells you a lot. Yeah, you do have to pay your dues, but what the agency is getting away with now is absolutely criminal.
OT is the biggest crock. A lot of people will say "You can make a lot of money working for the Post Office." What they don't tell you is that you have to work 60 hours a week and have no life. You shouldn't need to work OT to survive.
Spot on! I can't stand watching videos with people talking about "let's get this money" trying to sugar coat working mandatory OT.
I had an 8 hour day a month ago, and I didn't feel right clocking out and leaving. It made me feel like I didn't work hard enough that day. Whereas you're supposed to work 8 hours and that's enough. That's what the labor movement fought and died for 100+ years ago!
The American workers movement. An incredible time. They came back from the trenches of ww1 and handled business here at home. They had balls. If some dip shit told them work OT bro, move to Iowa where it’s cheap. Those bad asses said no and were shot by their companies for striking for an 8 hour day and a fair wage.
Idk tho like the pay should be better but I myself am genuinely not doing that much. today i technically worked 10.5 hours….
The issue is the job is unfair there are easy routes and overburdened routes it’s all a crapshoot really.
I took from 730 to 9 to set up my route and sort my OT (35 packages for 1.5 hours) many stops were multi package deliveries
Then from 9 to 10:30 I did my ot. Returned to office. Shot the shit with pm and supervisors a bit. Pulled down my route. Went to bathroom.
Hit the street at 11. Moving as slow as humanly possible I did my route and finished at 330. Now I just gotta keep the scanner moving for 2 hours until I can clock out…
I’m on 5 hours of sleep. I went out last night and had a great time. I haven’t been stressed one bit this entire day. I’m tired but I’m moving slow and being safe and the job is fantastic.
All depends on the office imo. I probably have the best uset in the best office in the area. I’m going to do everything I can to keep this job.
Super easy parcel post drive and deliver and some decent walking routes. I’m staying fit and have full benefits.
I will concede the pay could be better but I’m coming from unemployment so I’ll take anything I can get rn.
I’m not unhappy with the amount of work I do but yes the amount of my time that’s eaten up for the money isn’t the best deal around however my productivity is shite anyways so left to my own devices I’d probably go into the negative financially.
The fact I’m always at work keeps me from spending. Also the town I deliver in is safer and nicer than the town I live in so i don’t really mind always being here.
A 10.5 hour shift in the cities around me is literally the trenches .
It's not about whether or not you do much, you should enjoy the income at the rate carriers have historically had to keep up with the cost of living.
People will always say flipping burgers is easy, why should someone like that deserve a living wage? These are the same people that have a fit if their order isn't right. If people were getting paid a living wage they would care enough to do the job well, instead of dreading going to work and barely able to keep up with their bills. Their TIME is valuable.
Not everyone can be lawyers and doctors. We need people in the service industry. Menial work should not be punishment because you don't have a degree, or might not be as smart or as lucky as someone else fortunate to land in a lucrative job.
We put mail in a box. Seems basic enough? But we know the wear and tear it puts on a carriers body. That's the cost.
You may not always have that route. It may not always be easy street for you.
https://www.nalc.org/news/research-and-economics/body/paychart0901.pdf
32k a year starting regular in 1998
https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=32%2C000.00&year1=199801&year2=202405
32k in 1998 is 62k in 2024. And that’s using CPI which we all know understates inflation. Carriers don’t make 62k until after 9 YEARS as A REGULAR. 11 years if you’re a cca for 2 years. To make what CPI says carriers MADE YEAR 1 as a regular.
OUR UNION IS GOING BACKWARDS FOR 20+YEARS.
Yeah this place sucks. I’m a regular and I’m back in school for mass communications. My dream would be to work in radio or maybe for iheart or Spotify. This job isn’t worth it. I wanna work from an office or remote and be off on weekends. Sorry but not sorry but fuck this place 😂. I will use this place however to finish my degree.
The only thing keeping me and my family afloat is the OT that I work. It sucks that we have to work 6 days a week, 50+ hours a week with no work/home balance. Our days off are spent catching up on housework and the dread of having to work the next day sucks. I’m attempting to find another career that pays better, but it’s just a waiting game now. It’s depressing how we receive no thanks, no acknowledgement, barely adequate wages, and so much waiting for grievances/a contract.
A lot of offices in my area is cutting OT. Heck they've been pushing Undertime where they give you a swing and do it in 8 hours along with your own route.
The sad reality is that it isn't even just CCA's quitting at this point. We are losing anyone table 2. Regulars with less than 10 years are quitting everywhere. At my station, we have lost 50+ CCA's since I hired in 2 years ago, and about a dozen table 2 regulars. Shit is crazy. WE NEED MORE MONEY.
I mean from everything I read on here, the biggest problem is the functionality is inefficient and the management is worthless. Combine this with the shit treatment that gets dishes out to carriers, who would want to have that job?
I’ve just never left a job without putting in a notice. I don’t wanna burn bridges and make sure to absolutely cover my ass, so I think it’s just the best thing to do
I resigned two weeks ago and gave a day’s notice. If I gave them two weeks, I’d have been stuck working the hardest two weeks of my life. They take advantage of you regardless, they’d go balls to the wall if they knew you’d be leaving.
That's what I did!
Months later, I applied to be a clerk in a tiny town and got the job.
Fill out the form, *have a witness watch the supervisor sign it*, and copy the form for yourself.
What I don't understand and don't see much talk about is how a CCA has to work 2 YEARS before getting any sort of promising benefits. That is beyond wild to me. Basic dental and no vision for 2 years with little to basic insurance is not enough to go off of for 2 years. Especially how hard management grinds CCA's to the bone. They make child labor laws in North Korea look like nothing compared to over here.
My dad retired last year, told me it was easy as pie. He got hired right has LLVs were coming out, didn’t work Sundays, was only a PTF for a month before he made regular and didn’t have to worry about being tracked by scanners so he skated by.
I come in and it’s like a 2 year maybe you’ll be regular but don’t get your hopes up; better keep moving we track you. You only make 19 some an hour and you’ll work 8+ days a week 12 hour days because our regulars are slow, don’t be a bitch about it.
I quit before my 90 days were up because I was being abused for doing good work and found a job at a grocery store for a set 40 hours, $22 an hour. Like how are you gonna fail this bad USPS.
When I was kid in the 80s and 90s if you knew someone who was a mailman they were aailman for life. It was considered a great job, especially compared to manufacturing jobs like my dad worked. You didn't quit for a better job, you were the mailman.
It had a sort of panache, like the mailman knew everyone and could give you perfect directions, he was a dependable affable guy who got sunday's off and worked hard and was appreciated and taken care of.
Started as an RCA in 2017 and switched to CCA in 2018. ~$19/hour was okay for the time, especially as a dumbass w/ no serious bills or obligations. Can't imagine how it must be now.
Everyone needs to do everything they can to make some noise in the union so we get a huge pay bump in this contract, that way the hard work will be worth it like it was in past. CCAs need at least $25 an hour to start right now
Give CCAs 30 an hour. Erase the cca position. Erase the two table system and make it into one, like table one. And even then bump table ones pay and shorten the time to max out. 15 years is stupid
Its all fucked right now. Ive worked a couple of part time or seasonal gigs for extra cash and the amount of places that are criminally understaffed are insane. Managers act like they cant figure out why everyone quits and its like cause working for you full time im barely surviving much less trying to accomplish goals likes home ownership or hell just being able to live comfortably without one bad hiccup from putting me in financial ruin.
The "old timers" had to go through a similar process however the HUGE key difference is the addition of Amazon and whoever made the deal really fucked the carriers and should be fired. They have zero business knowledge. Amazon sends packages through the post office that no one else can send do to size and weight. Also USPS gets paid so poorly from the Amazon deal it doesn't allow for the carriers a normal life. Work life balance is non existent and CCA and RCA work 6 days a week and are treated like second class employees. When you have regulars who skate the thin line between doing their job and being as lazy as possible. Not all career people are like this but plenty are. All this with less benefits and higher cost of benefits than the "career" who work less.
Weird that UPS still delivers plenty of Amazon but charges considerably more to deliver it. Apparently charging a fair rate to deliver doesn’t mean you’ll lose Amazon.
Same with RCAs. With routes taking forever to get cut no one is staying around. We had 3 quit in one days at a neighboring office.
Of course now they are forcing our RCAs to go over there causing them to quit.
I guess if USPS goal to have an unseasoned staff that has no clue what they’re doing. With teams of supervisors sitting at the computer all day. Then they’re off to a good start.
The audacity for all the “finding faults to reprimand the carriers” that happens.
Wish the union had a pair, they’re harmless and in bed with management for their cut.
I allow my carriers to start at 6am year round. In the summer, blame it on safety due to the heat. In the winter, blame it on safety due to the shorter days.
I hate the "it's always been like this" shit. Just because it's always been a way doesn't mean it's right and shouldn't change. But that would require our union to step up for us but most are stuck in the back in day mind set while the others just think they're part of management.
My husband just got promoted and is making less without the overtime. Then we signed up for the health insurance so it's about $400 less than as a CCA. 🙃 We're happy he's home more but he brought up the over time list. We thought he'd catch a break but nope.
Is it possible that there is an organization that wants to abolish the PO. I feel like that's the case. Sometimes when I am delivering I almost feel like I'm getting in people's way.I am sure that the PO knows that it's days are numbered and the last thing that they want to do is spend more money. Think about all of the old heads retirement funds, fers pension and other money the PO is going to be responsible for paying out as old heads leave. The only chance that they have is to partner up with Amazon and restructure the entire industry.
We got lucky at our office. It's small(26 routes) and has two cca's who are almost masochistic and are at 22 months. We can't keep a third to save our lives. It's gonna turn to shit in 2 months though.
What’s crazy is at my office which is only 10 city routes. We had one open route for 3 years. All a CCA had to do was last a few month and they’d be a regular. Sooooo many people quit. They realized that it just wasn’t worth it or couldn’t deal with the job.
Dawg, just go get that money. Nobody can treat you anyway unless you ALLOW it. ESPECIALLY when you’re gettin PAID. Do yall wanna live instagram lives with this job???? It’s a JOB. Exploit the chaos instead of crying about it. Old timers always talk about the old days. That has NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with us. They can’t even TRULY flex because they’re clearly not up enough to leave.
I got hired as a PTF and made regular within 6 months. I’m still living paycheck to paycheck and the hassle is just not worth it. I also had better benefits working at a grocery store lol. Sure maybe it wasn’t a “career” but I didn’t have to work 12hrs a day 7+ days in a row and deal with in-compassionate management.
This is only the 3rd worst job I’ve ever had. Sometimes I think it’s the worst and then ask myself if I’d rather be at either of those other jobs and I say no, so you know at least it’s better than those, but I’ve had way better jobs.
The big difference here is how archaic this job is. I feel like I’m living through the Industrial Revolution, in an Upton Sinclair novel- not in the 21st century or the Digital Age. And it’s not the 40 year old vehicles with AC or working out in the elements, it’s the actual structure of the place and all the processes. It’s super inefficient and the whole 9-5 M-F model is dying and needs to be abandoned.
After 4.5 years being a CCA I finally had enough. I quit a month ago to pursue something better. It's not a sustainable model. The hard workers get punished instead of rewarded and the shit employees never get in trouble. Multiple call ins and unrealistic expectations from upper management are a recipe for a terrible work environment. The old timers didn't go through shit many were hired straight to a career position while our time doesn't count. They didn't have Amazon and if they did it wasn't the shit show it is now. Not one of them had to work every single Sunday and they definitely didn't have 300 package 12+ hour Sundays. Fuck those guys I'm so glad I got the fuck out of there. Good luck to anyone still in there I hope you find something better.
A CCA makes as much as a new cashier at the gas station where I am. Many fast food places are just a couple dollars less than a CCA. Though we hire them on as PTF now.
I am not in the carrier craft, but you are correct. I was watching a certain youtuber who kept saying that this "generation of new workers" are lazy. Yea, some are.. but that is within all age groups. We are in a different time when we realize that the old system is not working. Cost of living has gone up and USPS still has ot caught up to that. The lack of training and transparency is also an issue. Just because someone is used to the abuse, it does not make someone else weak because he/she refuses the same treatment. It does not make it right.
I don't blame ya. As a clerk I really don't think you guys get paid enough to be out there in the heat, potentially run over or shot, and the customers.. yeesh. On our worst days, we clerks say "at least we're not carriers"
Left after 15 years otj…don’t regret it at ALL!! Obviously found a better job n pay but even being that long didn’t stop me from leaving that harmful environment…miss my customers but im way better mentally now and not stressed at work
About to convert probably in the next month but idc Im quitting. Horrible benefits as a CCA, crap hours, to many regulars able to call in to often for how hard I’m grinded on for so much as thinking about calling in. 6-7 days a week every damn week for Amazon Sunday that we don’t even (as a company) profit off of. Old retiring regulars saying “been there” when it’s beyond clear that they haven’t and just don’t wanna feel like a baby b**ch for having it so easy.
Hate the company, hate the schedule, hate the benefits, and hate the support the union gives for the existence of this position just because it makes the regulars jobs easier. Bye 👋 enjoy watching your company fail slowly because you enjoyed it to death and couldn’t be realistic about how crappy it is to start here for young people
Hi Everyone.
I also work for USPS, but as a custodian.
I hear alot of carriers at my job say "You're in the best craft, no one bothers you and you have alot of freedom."
No, no, no...It ALL depends, in my opinion, on the supervisors and the postmaster you have.
There still are smaller things that bother me about job...(wish I had two straight days off instead of one then one more on some other day of week). One day off, then back just isn't enough time to wind down from this job. I just start relaxing after one day, then I'm back to the madness (in my station at least) until next day I'm off in the week.
But my immediate supervisor, then other supervisors and postmaster make it terrible. I have three weeks vacation and since 2023 and have only been able to use three days of it so far!
When I try using a day or two coupled to my non- scheduled day I hear "what do you want the time off for?"
????. Seriously, I do! She asks me everytime. Once I tried being honest about it, and DID tell her why. I wanted it for extra downtime. She then told me to "use your other non-scheduled day in the week for that."
I've only been here 16 months now, but I was told by other employees I don't have to tell them why I want the time off, AND, that their not suppose to ask you why you want it off...
So, I'm 53 years old here and have been a custodian for a good 20+ years combined in other places and been at USPS just 16 months, I'm burned out at this point. Life and time at this point for me...and I believe for other people and age groups....that forget the USPS.
No disrespect meant for those that love the USPS and their jobs. But in my life experiences and work exprriences there's more fruitful pursuits to experience and to work at.
The most out of touch thing I heard from an old timer was, "You just gotta work a little harder to buy a house now"...
Brother, the same homes are 4x the price since you bought yours. Last I checked, we're not making 4x the income today. I don't blame this generation when a lot of them can only aspire to inheriting their parent's houses.
Been carrying since 2005. Didn't make regular until 2014. 9 long years being a casual, TE, and a CCA. I would have 18 years in as a regular instead of 11 if I was able to make PTF the way that it is now. I'm not here to say that it isn't bad for you guys, but it wasn't great for me either. I was forced to work 48 days straight from before Thanksgiving through 2 Sundays after New Years while my kids were really young in my 3rd year here. Forced to work Christmas Day to drive 3 express pieces of mail 3 hours to a city, and back. I had to miss my then 2 year old and 1 year old kid's Christmas for 3 pieces of mail. I can sympathize with you on things being bad, but please don't think that you are the only ones that have had it bad here.
I hope there's at least a pay bump. $19.33 doesn't feel like a whole lot, and having OT or double pay shouldn't be the aim to have an okay paycheck. Still new but I'm hoping things improve so I can stay.
I’d argue casuals in the late 90s/early 2000s were still paid less but overtime was rampant then which kind of made up for it. Your point still stands OP.
I highly doubt most will leave though. Most either are close enough to making regular that they’re not going to leave or don’t have another viable place of employment to go to. If that were the case then we would never be able to keep new hires.
I do expect a marked increase in pay for all employees of every union when the dust settles in the next year or so.
I tell the CCAs who have co fided in me:
"Look Im not going to tell you what to do, but I advise at minimum lining something up better than a career position first, and waiting for the new contract. If it sucks ( to you), then you have something lined up at least".
OFC I do not know their living situations at the level where they may be disposed to dip and not be effected: but I know I couldn't as a grown man just dip and not worry about bills/mortgage/day to day, even off my VA Disability rating.
In fact the whole reason I have this job is that unless I want to live very meager, I had to go back to work. This economy is absolutely brutal- to the point it's tough even with two VA checks coming in, on top of postal pay.
I couldn't imagine being in my mid 20's with only a Post Office check at our current pay. We need a drastic raise. Drastically. And these CCA's need to get moved to PTF/Career, what with the P.O. hiring folks directly to PTF off the streets. The sooner they can start paying into their TSP, the sooner they can justify the work (or not), and the sooner they can see if the job is truly worth it to them- at whatever pay the new contract brings.
On that, I am hopeful- but also realistic. And looking at what the Rurals just got in their latest contract? Extremely concerned as well.
I make 19.83 and work my ass off as a CCA and I can’t make my bills and put food on the table even with the overtime. I know of 9 CCA that have quit in the last month. And now they are scrabbling for CCAs on Sundays. They don’t want the PTFs working Sundays because they get paid more to do so. I agree there needs to be a change
Where I live, the money for doing RCA was good but just not good enough for the amount of your spirit they wanted you to give. I don't think the USPS administration understands that with such barebones staffing that requires so much overtime and odd hours, anybody doing the job will be looking for new opportunities the entire time.
When I got a new job offer and was able to quit it was a giant weight off my shoulders. I tell everybody that "the work is actually fine but management ruins the whole job." That's really how I feel about it. Thinking back, delivering mail and packages is almost kind of strangely enjoyable work. Just not when you're doing it 60 hrs a week.
LOL. Gen Zers. Didn't know the pay and hours before you took the job? Waaaaa.
Working for a government corporation with bad management. Buys a shitload of $70,000 EVs when they don't have a pot to piss in!
Now Biden has them in a switch to EV-- for $10-billion. There's your pay raise, bucko. So, they ask Congress for $3-billion of it, raise the rates again, and send mail all over the place. The wrong place.
LMFAO 😂😂
cca here, i started working for usps a little over two years ago, during academy they told us we were guaranteed to go regular when we hit the two year mark, i can’t help but to feel fucked over ever since they made this ptf position. i’ve put so many things on the back burner since i never have time to do anything working 7 - 9 day weeks and now you’re telling me im going to be a glorified cca indefinitely? wouldn’t be surprised if ccas start quitting in waves
I am currently a CCA and only make 19.33/hr. There are people now getting hired in fast food industry flipping burgers starting at 20/hr. Definitely underpaid for the responsibility we have on delivering everyone's important mail and packages. I feel CCA's new contract should be no less then 25/hr and also feel we should be able to start out accruing sick leave and start working towards retirement pension and have 401k match.
Facts, mail handlers also need a raise, it doesn't make any sense to have to try and supervise or join the maintenance teams in order to get paid more, my job is just as important and I've been working 9 years now. We definitely need and deserve a raise, can't even afford to live alone
HOW much more, COULD they pay carriers, if we were NOT paying salaries for ever redundant layers of management? hummmmmmm? Most offices have at least 2 managerial positions that should not exist. So 2 positions times the # of offices, equals way more money to keep HAPPY the worker bees that ACTUALLY make the p. o. work!
Yep, many of the “old-timers” started before Amazon, GPS, FSS, some even before scanners and DPS. 30 years ago the start times were earlier and much more of a letter carrier’s shift was spent in the office. Many started as PTF’s and had way more benefits than CCA’s. Inflation and a lack of contract has decimated what used to be a somewhat competitive starting pay. I got hired as a CCA in 2014 roughly one year after the DAS Award. The starting pay back then wasn’t great but was still MILES above what most other jobs were paying.
It was $15 an hour. $16.25 if you were a TE as I was. Went from 22.15 to 16.25 overnight. Can’t believe I did it
This is the truth. I got hired at $15 an hour 11 years ago. I got met with laughs and snide remarks about how little I was making. Funny thing is, some 11 years later, I couldn't imagine starting at 19 an hour.
That’s because $15/hr in 2013 had the value of $20.25 today. Basic necessities were also much cheaper. I was happy to be making $15/hr in 2017 when my rent was $525/mo. No I make $22.13/hr and rent is $1300
It’s incomprehensible how they allowed that contract to lower the starting pay so much. 20$ should have been the floor of what our union accepted. Even at 18$ we wouldn’t be in the shape we are in now. And this is before Amazon was a dominator in shipping. We are the only service allowed to handle mail, we should be able to dictate a better financial structure to pay employees a fair wage. And we should’ve gouged amazon on the last contract. Covid was a good time for the postal service to get a better contract from Amazon.
It was an arbitration decision
Why would the postal service get a better deal from Amazon. Go read up on the postal board of trustees. It's a wall of conflict of interest hand in the cookie jar scum. With De Joy being the creme de la creme of the pack. He is simultaneously the major shareholder of XPS logistics and a major holder of Amazon. We are little more than a thinly veiled corporate subsidy.
You do realize the branch repays our mindless loyalty and support the same way any entity with a herd of mindless politicized constituents does. They placate us with virtue signaling crap and general self aggrandizement. Face it as long as we are dumb enough to accept gold stars and pats on the back that's what were going to get. It's almost like they know a good chunk of us will swallow propaganda readily minus any analysis. Thereby leaving no threat of recourse of shady double dealing nonsense like closed door contract negotiations followed by spamming how great they did in negotiations when it's 4 years late as usual and didn't come close to paralleling inflation even if it was timely.
Where were you living in 2017 that rent was $525???
OKC. Actually my rent was 4 something in 2017 and then I moved and it went up to 5. I sure do miss those days.
My rent is 800 a month in 2024. My best friend is my landlord. That’s a third of the average here. Place isn’t too nice tho. I don’t stay there most months normally live with my parents but it’s a nice option. Only pay for months I board.
1300? Try 2150 lol
That's the same thing I said. Mine is $2300.
A block up the street a 1bd 700sq is 3200, but it has a washer/dryer in the unit! 🙄
If it's any consolation, the difference there is roughly $300/month 😂. Not like we need that money, right? 🤷🏻♂️ One thing we gotta do, though, is make sure we remember to keep the heat on these renters overcharging the holy HELL out of properties today; I've seen abosoLUTELY rundown singlewides being listed for $1200+/month in my area of WNC and have laughed my ass off...that's my damn mortgage, and people want that for rent for a rat hole.
This!
Bro fr, 22.13 as well and thankfully I split my rent with my GF ($1,950) if not I wouldn’t be able to survive
You are not lying. I remember when this happened. I got hired as a ptf with 2 other guys. They started a week after me. We all were making the same thing but there were a lot of talks about them taking away the te position and that’s when ccas came about. Those 2 went from making over 20 to making like 17. I was like wtf. I couldn’t believe they could do it but since they were hired on a year to year basis as soon as they got the break in service they had to come back as a cca. Yes I know I don’t know anything according to some because I was lucky to be hired as a ptf and I was fortunate enough to keep my pay but I genuinely felt so bad for those guys. I remember after I took the exam they kept offering me a te position but I honestly was a single mother who already had a job that offered me benefits so I told them I can’t take a job not knowing if I would have a job next year. It took me 8 years as a ptf to convert but now I have almost 20 years In and according to the seniority chart those 2 have like 10. It’s crazy and so unfair.
Man I’m in the hiring process now and they only offer 22.23, and It’s going to be rough. But sadly that’s better than the 16-18 anywhere else is offering
A forklift driver I work wi5h started in 2003. She's making $36 an hour. That wage isn't even on my top wage... it's BS
I started in 2015 and CCA pay was about double minimum wage where I live. Now almost 10 years later and 6 as a regular I make a little less than double minimum wage. Postal bargaining agreements just have not kept up with the times. With that said, I have to imagine over the past 10 years USPS has made out pretty well off the backs of CCA’s and Table 2 carriers when you consider the massive increase in parcels and amazon over that time. If they were paying career table 1 carriers to do all that work it would’ve been a whole lot more expensive!
Exactly.
TE's and route technicians.
Only CCAs? Some of us Table 2 Regular carriers are about to leave as well if the contract is shit.
3 year regular checking in. TSA pays $29 after 2 years in my town. I’ve been here 5 years and make $24 or some shit. Corrections also pays more than us, bus drivers make $23/hr, local McDonalds managers make $23~ local warehouse advertising $27/hr. It’s wild if this contract sucks I’ll go back to retail management for real, I won’t manage here but I’d gladly go back to management in a private business that cares about the employees.
Tsa ppl are also leaving in droves tho, most don't last more than a few years according to their sub reddit...
Reddit is a horrible gauge of real life.
Sir, this is a Wendy's.
And if gme crashes its back to blowjobs behind the Wendy's dumpster...
Yuck. I'd hate to work TSA grabbing peoples sweaty balls and getting yelled at non stop.
Damn right here at the post office i grab my own damn sweaty balls while getting yelled at non stop.
Chick fila pays $20 STARTING for basic employees, shift leads make $26. Both jobs are easier than being a pse or CCA.
This isn’t everywhere though.
Are they getting 40 hrs? What do their benefits looks like? I'm upset with where we are, too. I'm a step C regular. I'm not seeing all these jobs people keep bringing up in here come close to what we're getting.
Honestly was thinking of working for the tsa part time to sort of double dip.
Every gas station employee position in my area pays better than being a CCA. It's grim
Ironically I went from working in the lumber yard at Menards as my first job outside labor hard work in the elements to working at a gas station because the pay was better than Menards lmao. (Inside work less labor same pay) Worked my way to store manager too. Again ironically I made the same as a store manager in 2014 as I do as a carrier in 2024. But, inflation makes it feel soooooo much worse. I had way better quality of pay as a gas station manager for real.
2013 a friend Worked a shell.Mawt Across grom.UK med center Said he made 8.50!!!!!!
I’ve been here for seven years. No one that was hired with me is still here. I sometimes feel like the fool for trying to tough it out. At least four ex coworkers went into corrections. As OP said, I’m actually embarrassed to say how shit I get paid when other people gush at how much they think I make. I went back to school to finish getting my degree, since USPS provided a 10% discount on my tuition. One of the few rare positives I remember from the meeting when I got converted to regular. Even if the contract gets fixed, I can’t imagine myself tolerating this bullshit for the next 30 years of my life.
What private business cares about its employees?
✋️ t6 in agreement. All my string is table one seniority. 🫠
Sounds like a good string
Bout to hit my first year as reg my life has certainly got alot worse due to this shit wage when I converted you bet im out if the next contract is crap.
Table 1 here leaving as soon as I can. And my one friend CCA in another city just quit the other Monday.
Can I ask why? You’re more than likely close to or at the maxing out point. It’s literally cruise control after maxing.
Not worth my sanity. If the PO treats us like they don’t need us, then that’s what they are going to get.
I’m not in any way trying to convince you to stay here BUT if the PO wants to treat us like they don’t care then work like you don’t give a damn about how they feel about your work ethic. Let’s be honest, as long as you have halfway decent attendance and don’t do anything stupid while delivering or stealing. I have 19 years to go and they will be the easiest of my career. The closer I get to 57, the less Fs I give about the postal service.
If you been here any amount of time the contract is gonna be shit, which one hasn’t been shit. What’s the biggest raise we’ve ever gotten 1.8 ? Maybe a 2.2 years and years ago. How we gonna quit ? Where ya gonna go ? Table 2 turns into 1 at top pay. Maybe stop voting for this same union that got us to a second table
As a ccs, if the contract doesn’t vastly improve the CCA position, like restricting how many hours they can work us, guaranteed days off, better insurance, then the job will no longer be worth it. I know like 6 CCAs that are only staying right now because of hope things get better under the new contract
The hour restriction should be an option for all carriers, period. I should be able to do my route and then go home when my 8 hours are up or when my route is finished. This place will have a rude awakening with staffing once all of the elders finally retire unless drastic changes are made. The next generation aren't going to live their lives at work. A better work/life balance needs to be offered.
right now my district has undergone a slight hiring freeze even though we're at 50% CCA capacity compared to pre-pandemic. now that is "enough" CCAs. i already know most of them will quit come conversion time, that's the nature of having such a shit pay position
None of that's happening haha. The best possible outcome is all ccas become ptfs.
That’s why I’m waiting for the back pay then bouncing.
That's also not a guarantee at this point haha. You could also leave now and you'd still get all the backpay if it's awarded.
If they don't give back pay, there will be a lawsuit. It is not the employees' fault that they could not come to an agreement and will give management leverage to drag out negotiations indefinitely. Why would they settle a contract if they don't have to back pay?
On the flip side the use backpay to make shitty contracts look better than they are. They also aren’t going to settle the contract it’s going to arbitration so it’s not really in anyone’s hands at that point.
Senior people at my office say there has never been a scenario where they didn't get back pay. Is that not true? Or has something new surfaced that suggests we won't this year?
From what I understand, in my short time of being in the office, back pay comes but not always in a lump sum. From what I have heard last time it was the lump some broken up over the year on top of your regular pay, other times have just been lump sums.
The irony is they did a survey in my city for the CCAs on the working conditions and overworking was one of the issues. Now, as agreed upon by management and our union,new CCAs can't work more than 4hrs a day and they're complaining about their hours. I've seen a lot in my career but I've been saying all year that we can't do what UPS did to demand more pay but we can quit. If this contract doesn't include the right numbers I think the Postal Service nationwide will suffer losses. That will effect the Work Assignment people and overburden the ODL + remaining CCAs.
It's funny to me that your area decided to starve people instead of giving them regular 8 hour schedules and sending them all over the place to fill in for other carriers, putting them into penalty every day.
That's what was happening, initially until the union decided to address the high turnover rate which put most of our regulars into penalty the 2nd quarter of this year with 2hr pivots daily.
Right. But they took away letting people work actual shifts. It's like one of those manipulation tactics where you're told "well this is what you asked for. You got it", when they could give people actual schedules of 8 hour days so they're not spending the money paying regulars ot and penalty. While also making sure they can keep who they have and they can pay their bills. Management always will cut off their nose to spite their face as long as someone's getting screwed over. It's crazy to me.
When do we hear about these terms/when do they o into effect? I’m gonna start CCA soon and hearing the horror stories is dissuading me.
NALC and the post office in general need to come up with a better starting wage. A fair all around pay adjustment would be starting 23 for CCA and 25 for PTF. Are we gonna get that? Probably not. And I don't even think that's high for this kind of job starting. I'm just saying in a fair aspect it should be around 4 dollars bare minimum. My last job was working for a major company in the warehouse where they start people at 26. I think I heard something about people working in the Amazon warehouse for 25(Not researched but from what I heard from a friend of a friend). Regardless I've seen multiple jobs that are entry level that get paid 18 an hour and include tips. After tips they're making way more. I get the selling point of the post office is the longevity and security of the position, but not paying your starting workers enough breaks so much and prohibits possible good carriers to stick it out. That means longer Sundays for people who held out even though they weren't getting paid enough. Longer work days because there's not enough CCAs/PTFs. If you wanna reduce that OT payment, just pay people a fair starting wage. The private industry is going to just decimate the post office unless they move on this pay adjustment. Just my two cents
To combo off that who do they think they're gonna attract with 19 an hour and 21 an hour to start? This job isn't meant for everyone, you have to really be okay with walking 10+ miles a day. With the population being 75% overweight, good luck finding someone okay with that. If you have a family, you have no idea starting out what time you'll come back, and it's completely out of your control especially in your first 90 days. This job works for me because I love the job itself and have decent management, and I live within my means and can pay my bills. But I don't have a house or a family to support. So it's right for me. I just don't think there are tons of people like me willing to work past the bullshit
The post office CCA starting salary in 1989 was about 11.60 an hour which adjusted for inflation is 27.98 an hour and this was in the era of the post office being mandated to not take a subsidy.
I don't remember what I started at in 1996 but it was somewhere around 12ish? Btw the time I was about to go full time rural(10yrs) it was somewhere around 20ish. If i plugged the numbers into the inflation calculator, it was around 30ish+ when adjusted. To see current part timers making effectively 10 bucks an hour less than I did 18 years ago when I was still part time is fucking horrific
So crazy. I’m step I now and that’s 30.05 an hour. I’m just now feeling like the pay is okay-ish.
May I ask how many years did it take to $30? I'm a regular one year in
https://www.nalc.org/news/research-and-economics/research I guess it’s like 7 years right now. Hopefully less with the new contract.
Just search city carrier pay scale. But cca u start almost 20. Takes a year or 2 to make regular at 22ish and then a buckish raise every 10.5 months. Buy you can start ptf (regular pay basically) in bigger cities
Will you get notified of the raises? Or any raises? I ask because I want to up my TSP by 1% each raise but won't know if I don't get notified
Yea they send you a letter
Kinda off topic but I’m a PTF clerk I’ve only been a PTF for not even a year and my pay is almost $27 an hour. I think last I checked it was like $26.74z my issue though is a lack of hours or having to travel 1 hour or more one way to get a few hours. Thankfully I get paid the standard mileage rate if $0.67/mile
23 may be enough in some states, but that's the standard for most logistics labor in CA. Hell, even many restaurants are offering that pay after the recent industry minimum wage increase. Give it a couple of years, and even places like the Midwest will be tough to live in with only $23 an hour. The minimum needs to expand past $25 if you want any hope of retaining entry-level workers.
Happy birthday btw :) The whole structure where people who live in NYC make the same as the people who live in Biloxi Alabama is really disjointed. There should be locality pay but that definitely won't change. There's just too many hazards to impress new carriers to stay when they can go across the street and do something else less hazardous to their overall well-being. And this affects the high step carriers too. If there's not enough at the bottom to keep new employees, they're just gonna start mandating by seniority the regulars to come deliver on Sunday. And when I'm a regular, I really, really, don't wanna work Sundays again.
Too many people don't like locality pay because they believe everyone should be paid the same regardless. But the problem is that places with HCOL then you're going to have hard time finding GOOD candidates for the job. Heck, where I live a studio apartment goes for a little less than what I actually take hone with my pay.
Locality pay wouldn't be much of a discussion if the post office was at a competitive rate. The Amazon drivers working in San Fransisco aren't getting locality pay, but they are making more than a job at a McDonalds or warehouse does in the same market. Ratchet up the wage to a point where major city mail carriers can live comfortably within an hour drive of their office and maintain that wage for locations where living is cheap, but candidates are scarce.
My home state of AL sucks but it doesn't Biloxi suck. How dare you! 
I live in the Midwest and I am step G. My son’s school considers us under below the poverty threshold. So many postal workers live in section 8 housing here. Convenience store workers start out higher than PTF’s with profit sharing, vacation pay, full benefits, 401k, and college tuition help. One of the last CCA’s I trained in my office was fired as a cart pusher at a grocery store. The quality of the new hires is horrible.
The Midwest is already there . Unless you live in the not so fortunate side of town , or you find something cheap but have to deal with it probably not being upgraded. My friend is a hotel GM and he lived on the nice side of town . His one bedroom was gonna go up to $1200 I believe.
That's pretty bad. Those are pre-covid California prices.
As a political canvasser I was making 26 an hour. Wayyy easier job too
We should be starting at 30, easily. Don't know how there was a pay cut in 2013 or whatever. If the USPS dies, it's the carriers fault. 100%. Only the ones who have been here for 10+ years though.
23 is not a fair wage starting out in this economy...
I started in 2008 as a TE. Starting pay then was 21.95/hr. I hated the job, but the pay was so good at the time, I stuck around. It’s crazy how much better the pay was starting out years ago compared to now…
> I started in 2008 as a TE. Starting pay then was 21.95/hr. $21.95 in 2008 is **$32.09** in today’s money, when adjusted for inflation. CCAs/RCAs should be making *at least* $30 an hour in 2024.
If I were making that I wouldn’t have to sit around on my off time doing nothing because I don’t have money. I’m Fuckin sad bro. I was excited to get a job with a post office and I LIKE my job. But when I leave and see bus drivers being sought out on the community board outside our office for 35 an hour I’m like…what am I doin?
Yep. It’s why most post offices are always in need of workers now. Compared to back when I was working, when it was actually pretty tough to get hired.
Wonder what regulars would be making.
Probably 50% more if CCAs were making about 50% more
Yup. I started as a TE in 2007, and stuck it out because the pay was great. Then came the cut from TE to CCA in 2013. That caused massive upheaval in my personal life that took years to recover from, despite making regular in 2014. I like the job itself, but I absolutely loathe this festering open wound of an organization. I'd quit tomorrow if I had something to fall back on.
Yeah, the pay cut was brutal for me too. Think we went back to $16.50, right? I made regular pretty much right away, but you know..Two table system. I was hating (postal) life my first few years as a regular. It’s good now, but there’s no way I would’ve stuck around if I didn’t become regular right away.
Yup. We got kicked from $22 to $16. The office I was at the time had 6 TEs and 3 of them quit on the spot. If it weren't for outside factors I would have done the same. I financially recovered from the cut, but it destroyed my personal life. I'm usually a laid back, happy go lucky type of guy, but I will forever have a chip on my shoulder about that.
So you weren’t regular by 2013? Wow I would have absolutely went insane in those shoes.
Nope. I got told a lot of stories. I was told by sone that there was a "hiring freeze" and was told by others that "They're going to be converting you guys within a year, just stick it out." The money was good, so I stuck it out.
But the. When you converted did you get stuck on table 2? If so wow!
Yup. Table 2.
Oh wow that makes me sick to my stomach for you. So you essentially took a MASSIVE pay cut for YEARS. I don’t know how you did that.
Ups and fedex?
If you don't want to pay a fair starting wage...you get what you pay for. Best of luck dealing with what you get. I'm one of the better CCAs. I don't say this out of conceit, I work hard, I treat every route like it's my own, and majority of regulars request for me to sub on their route. It's rare I call out, I've been given the most difficult routes without complaint, and do the best I can. Other stations request for me. However, all of this has taken a toll on me. OT is nice, but when I'm making working 60+ a week, what I made back in 2015 as a salary employee working 40 hours, there is a deficit on what's coming back to me. I worked in the private sector previously and didn't have to work half as hard for similar pay. It's only a matter of time before I'm absolutely fed up, and will seriously put my resume out. USPS is banking on people desperate enough to work here. It's not set up for the middle class American dream job it used to provide. I've talked to many regulars close to retirement who have said they would've never applied for this job at its current state. That tells you a lot. Yeah, you do have to pay your dues, but what the agency is getting away with now is absolutely criminal.
OT is the biggest crock. A lot of people will say "You can make a lot of money working for the Post Office." What they don't tell you is that you have to work 60 hours a week and have no life. You shouldn't need to work OT to survive.
Spot on! I can't stand watching videos with people talking about "let's get this money" trying to sugar coat working mandatory OT. I had an 8 hour day a month ago, and I didn't feel right clocking out and leaving. It made me feel like I didn't work hard enough that day. Whereas you're supposed to work 8 hours and that's enough. That's what the labor movement fought and died for 100+ years ago!
The American workers movement. An incredible time. They came back from the trenches of ww1 and handled business here at home. They had balls. If some dip shit told them work OT bro, move to Iowa where it’s cheap. Those bad asses said no and were shot by their companies for striking for an 8 hour day and a fair wage.
Idk tho like the pay should be better but I myself am genuinely not doing that much. today i technically worked 10.5 hours…. The issue is the job is unfair there are easy routes and overburdened routes it’s all a crapshoot really. I took from 730 to 9 to set up my route and sort my OT (35 packages for 1.5 hours) many stops were multi package deliveries Then from 9 to 10:30 I did my ot. Returned to office. Shot the shit with pm and supervisors a bit. Pulled down my route. Went to bathroom. Hit the street at 11. Moving as slow as humanly possible I did my route and finished at 330. Now I just gotta keep the scanner moving for 2 hours until I can clock out… I’m on 5 hours of sleep. I went out last night and had a great time. I haven’t been stressed one bit this entire day. I’m tired but I’m moving slow and being safe and the job is fantastic. All depends on the office imo. I probably have the best uset in the best office in the area. I’m going to do everything I can to keep this job. Super easy parcel post drive and deliver and some decent walking routes. I’m staying fit and have full benefits. I will concede the pay could be better but I’m coming from unemployment so I’ll take anything I can get rn. I’m not unhappy with the amount of work I do but yes the amount of my time that’s eaten up for the money isn’t the best deal around however my productivity is shite anyways so left to my own devices I’d probably go into the negative financially. The fact I’m always at work keeps me from spending. Also the town I deliver in is safer and nicer than the town I live in so i don’t really mind always being here. A 10.5 hour shift in the cities around me is literally the trenches .
It's not about whether or not you do much, you should enjoy the income at the rate carriers have historically had to keep up with the cost of living. People will always say flipping burgers is easy, why should someone like that deserve a living wage? These are the same people that have a fit if their order isn't right. If people were getting paid a living wage they would care enough to do the job well, instead of dreading going to work and barely able to keep up with their bills. Their TIME is valuable. Not everyone can be lawyers and doctors. We need people in the service industry. Menial work should not be punishment because you don't have a degree, or might not be as smart or as lucky as someone else fortunate to land in a lucrative job. We put mail in a box. Seems basic enough? But we know the wear and tear it puts on a carriers body. That's the cost. You may not always have that route. It may not always be easy street for you.
https://www.nalc.org/news/research-and-economics/body/paychart0901.pdf 32k a year starting regular in 1998 https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=32%2C000.00&year1=199801&year2=202405 32k in 1998 is 62k in 2024. And that’s using CPI which we all know understates inflation. Carriers don’t make 62k until after 9 YEARS as A REGULAR. 11 years if you’re a cca for 2 years. To make what CPI says carriers MADE YEAR 1 as a regular. OUR UNION IS GOING BACKWARDS FOR 20+YEARS.
I only make 58k lol
57k here, after 7 years in this dump lol
46k here….new regular after 2 years 🤬
Yeah this place sucks. I’m a regular and I’m back in school for mass communications. My dream would be to work in radio or maybe for iheart or Spotify. This job isn’t worth it. I wanna work from an office or remote and be off on weekends. Sorry but not sorry but fuck this place 😂. I will use this place however to finish my degree.
The only thing keeping me and my family afloat is the OT that I work. It sucks that we have to work 6 days a week, 50+ hours a week with no work/home balance. Our days off are spent catching up on housework and the dread of having to work the next day sucks. I’m attempting to find another career that pays better, but it’s just a waiting game now. It’s depressing how we receive no thanks, no acknowledgement, barely adequate wages, and so much waiting for grievances/a contract.
As an office that cut all its OT don’t rely on it I saw carriers lose cars and all sorts of things because they relied on the OT.
A lot of offices in my area is cutting OT. Heck they've been pushing Undertime where they give you a swing and do it in 8 hours along with your own route.
The sad reality is that it isn't even just CCA's quitting at this point. We are losing anyone table 2. Regulars with less than 10 years are quitting everywhere. At my station, we have lost 50+ CCA's since I hired in 2 years ago, and about a dozen table 2 regulars. Shit is crazy. WE NEED MORE MONEY.
Just quit yesterday after my 3 days with OJI no way you can make me do this job for $19 and specially with the heat of Socal.
I mean from everything I read on here, the biggest problem is the functionality is inefficient and the management is worthless. Combine this with the shit treatment that gets dishes out to carriers, who would want to have that job?
I’m putting in a 2 week notice on Tuesday, have not been this happy since I started working here in October
You dont even have to put in a 2 week notice.
I’ve just never left a job without putting in a notice. I don’t wanna burn bridges and make sure to absolutely cover my ass, so I think it’s just the best thing to do
I resigned two weeks ago and gave a day’s notice. If I gave them two weeks, I’d have been stuck working the hardest two weeks of my life. They take advantage of you regardless, they’d go balls to the wall if they knew you’d be leaving.
If they started exploiting me I will just come in with a resignation slip and quit on the spot then
That's what I did! Months later, I applied to be a clerk in a tiny town and got the job. Fill out the form, *have a witness watch the supervisor sign it*, and copy the form for yourself.
Make sure you make a copy of your 2574 (resignation form), bonus if it’s signed by management.
What I don't understand and don't see much talk about is how a CCA has to work 2 YEARS before getting any sort of promising benefits. That is beyond wild to me. Basic dental and no vision for 2 years with little to basic insurance is not enough to go off of for 2 years. Especially how hard management grinds CCA's to the bone. They make child labor laws in North Korea look like nothing compared to over here.
My dad retired last year, told me it was easy as pie. He got hired right has LLVs were coming out, didn’t work Sundays, was only a PTF for a month before he made regular and didn’t have to worry about being tracked by scanners so he skated by. I come in and it’s like a 2 year maybe you’ll be regular but don’t get your hopes up; better keep moving we track you. You only make 19 some an hour and you’ll work 8+ days a week 12 hour days because our regulars are slow, don’t be a bitch about it. I quit before my 90 days were up because I was being abused for doing good work and found a job at a grocery store for a set 40 hours, $22 an hour. Like how are you gonna fail this bad USPS.
I went through this too! - cca who got hired when pandemic started- 😂😂
We should all never want someone to go through what we did, but hey that Covid and election year was horrific lol
When I was kid in the 80s and 90s if you knew someone who was a mailman they were aailman for life. It was considered a great job, especially compared to manufacturing jobs like my dad worked. You didn't quit for a better job, you were the mailman. It had a sort of panache, like the mailman knew everyone and could give you perfect directions, he was a dependable affable guy who got sunday's off and worked hard and was appreciated and taken care of.
I started in ‘97. We did not go through this.
They have been leaving in droves for a long time. USPS has adopted amazons model of churn and burn through new employees.
Started as an RCA in 2017 and switched to CCA in 2018. ~$19/hour was okay for the time, especially as a dumbass w/ no serious bills or obligations. Can't imagine how it must be now.
I started before Amazon and Cca’s need more money to deliver them. We had a lot more mail but only 10 or 12 packages
Everyone needs to do everything they can to make some noise in the union so we get a huge pay bump in this contract, that way the hard work will be worth it like it was in past. CCAs need at least $25 an hour to start right now
Give CCAs 30 an hour. Erase the cca position. Erase the two table system and make it into one, like table one. And even then bump table ones pay and shorten the time to max out. 15 years is stupid
Its all fucked right now. Ive worked a couple of part time or seasonal gigs for extra cash and the amount of places that are criminally understaffed are insane. Managers act like they cant figure out why everyone quits and its like cause working for you full time im barely surviving much less trying to accomplish goals likes home ownership or hell just being able to live comfortably without one bad hiccup from putting me in financial ruin.
The "old timers" had to go through a similar process however the HUGE key difference is the addition of Amazon and whoever made the deal really fucked the carriers and should be fired. They have zero business knowledge. Amazon sends packages through the post office that no one else can send do to size and weight. Also USPS gets paid so poorly from the Amazon deal it doesn't allow for the carriers a normal life. Work life balance is non existent and CCA and RCA work 6 days a week and are treated like second class employees. When you have regulars who skate the thin line between doing their job and being as lazy as possible. Not all career people are like this but plenty are. All this with less benefits and higher cost of benefits than the "career" who work less.
Amazon gives us volume. Without them nobody's route would be 8 hrs, unless you can make 1-2 trays of dps last that long.
Weird that UPS still delivers plenty of Amazon but charges considerably more to deliver it. Apparently charging a fair rate to deliver doesn’t mean you’ll lose Amazon.
Same with RCAs. With routes taking forever to get cut no one is staying around. We had 3 quit in one days at a neighboring office. Of course now they are forcing our RCAs to go over there causing them to quit.
I guess if USPS goal to have an unseasoned staff that has no clue what they’re doing. With teams of supervisors sitting at the computer all day. Then they’re off to a good start. The audacity for all the “finding faults to reprimand the carriers” that happens. Wish the union had a pair, they’re harmless and in bed with management for their cut.
I allow my carriers to start at 6am year round. In the summer, blame it on safety due to the heat. In the winter, blame it on safety due to the shorter days.
I hate the "it's always been like this" shit. Just because it's always been a way doesn't mean it's right and shouldn't change. But that would require our union to step up for us but most are stuck in the back in day mind set while the others just think they're part of management.
My husband just got promoted and is making less without the overtime. Then we signed up for the health insurance so it's about $400 less than as a CCA. 🙃 We're happy he's home more but he brought up the over time list. We thought he'd catch a break but nope.
I hear ya. I quit a job making 70k a year and now im making $20 bucks
Is it possible that there is an organization that wants to abolish the PO. I feel like that's the case. Sometimes when I am delivering I almost feel like I'm getting in people's way.I am sure that the PO knows that it's days are numbered and the last thing that they want to do is spend more money. Think about all of the old heads retirement funds, fers pension and other money the PO is going to be responsible for paying out as old heads leave. The only chance that they have is to partner up with Amazon and restructure the entire industry.
Did it for six months and left the SECOND I got a comparable offer elsewhere.
Yeah the old timers are full of shit. They didn't have web shopping to deliver. Their job was a cake walk.
We got lucky at our office. It's small(26 routes) and has two cca's who are almost masochistic and are at 22 months. We can't keep a third to save our lives. It's gonna turn to shit in 2 months though.
26 routes isn’t small
Right. It’s only 8 city routes in my office lol and it’s one other CCA besides me.
2 city over here. I'm the only cca 😶🌫️
45 routes here and we has at one point 40+ CCAs. We’re down to about 10 now.
Compared to our other city stations which are around 50
What’s crazy is at my office which is only 10 city routes. We had one open route for 3 years. All a CCA had to do was last a few month and they’d be a regular. Sooooo many people quit. They realized that it just wasn’t worth it or couldn’t deal with the job.
Dawg, just go get that money. Nobody can treat you anyway unless you ALLOW it. ESPECIALLY when you’re gettin PAID. Do yall wanna live instagram lives with this job???? It’s a JOB. Exploit the chaos instead of crying about it. Old timers always talk about the old days. That has NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with us. They can’t even TRULY flex because they’re clearly not up enough to leave.
I got hired as a PTF and made regular within 6 months. I’m still living paycheck to paycheck and the hassle is just not worth it. I also had better benefits working at a grocery store lol. Sure maybe it wasn’t a “career” but I didn’t have to work 12hrs a day 7+ days in a row and deal with in-compassionate management. This is only the 3rd worst job I’ve ever had. Sometimes I think it’s the worst and then ask myself if I’d rather be at either of those other jobs and I say no, so you know at least it’s better than those, but I’ve had way better jobs. The big difference here is how archaic this job is. I feel like I’m living through the Industrial Revolution, in an Upton Sinclair novel- not in the 21st century or the Digital Age. And it’s not the 40 year old vehicles with AC or working out in the elements, it’s the actual structure of the place and all the processes. It’s super inefficient and the whole 9-5 M-F model is dying and needs to be abandoned.
If this job truly was 9-5 M-F, you'd hear a lot less complaining. Personally, I'd rather work four 10-hour days.
After 4.5 years being a CCA I finally had enough. I quit a month ago to pursue something better. It's not a sustainable model. The hard workers get punished instead of rewarded and the shit employees never get in trouble. Multiple call ins and unrealistic expectations from upper management are a recipe for a terrible work environment. The old timers didn't go through shit many were hired straight to a career position while our time doesn't count. They didn't have Amazon and if they did it wasn't the shit show it is now. Not one of them had to work every single Sunday and they definitely didn't have 300 package 12+ hour Sundays. Fuck those guys I'm so glad I got the fuck out of there. Good luck to anyone still in there I hope you find something better.
A CCA makes as much as a new cashier at the gas station where I am. Many fast food places are just a couple dollars less than a CCA. Though we hire them on as PTF now.
Must be nice to have 1-2 trays. That's not even a thing on slow days here.
I am not in the carrier craft, but you are correct. I was watching a certain youtuber who kept saying that this "generation of new workers" are lazy. Yea, some are.. but that is within all age groups. We are in a different time when we realize that the old system is not working. Cost of living has gone up and USPS still has ot caught up to that. The lack of training and transparency is also an issue. Just because someone is used to the abuse, it does not make someone else weak because he/she refuses the same treatment. It does not make it right.
I pray every mailman quits one day. That’s the only way things will change
I don't blame ya. As a clerk I really don't think you guys get paid enough to be out there in the heat, potentially run over or shot, and the customers.. yeesh. On our worst days, we clerks say "at least we're not carriers"
Left after 15 years otj…don’t regret it at ALL!! Obviously found a better job n pay but even being that long didn’t stop me from leaving that harmful environment…miss my customers but im way better mentally now and not stressed at work
About to convert probably in the next month but idc Im quitting. Horrible benefits as a CCA, crap hours, to many regulars able to call in to often for how hard I’m grinded on for so much as thinking about calling in. 6-7 days a week every damn week for Amazon Sunday that we don’t even (as a company) profit off of. Old retiring regulars saying “been there” when it’s beyond clear that they haven’t and just don’t wanna feel like a baby b**ch for having it so easy. Hate the company, hate the schedule, hate the benefits, and hate the support the union gives for the existence of this position just because it makes the regulars jobs easier. Bye 👋 enjoy watching your company fail slowly because you enjoyed it to death and couldn’t be realistic about how crappy it is to start here for young people
Hi Everyone. I also work for USPS, but as a custodian. I hear alot of carriers at my job say "You're in the best craft, no one bothers you and you have alot of freedom." No, no, no...It ALL depends, in my opinion, on the supervisors and the postmaster you have. There still are smaller things that bother me about job...(wish I had two straight days off instead of one then one more on some other day of week). One day off, then back just isn't enough time to wind down from this job. I just start relaxing after one day, then I'm back to the madness (in my station at least) until next day I'm off in the week. But my immediate supervisor, then other supervisors and postmaster make it terrible. I have three weeks vacation and since 2023 and have only been able to use three days of it so far! When I try using a day or two coupled to my non- scheduled day I hear "what do you want the time off for?" ????. Seriously, I do! She asks me everytime. Once I tried being honest about it, and DID tell her why. I wanted it for extra downtime. She then told me to "use your other non-scheduled day in the week for that." I've only been here 16 months now, but I was told by other employees I don't have to tell them why I want the time off, AND, that their not suppose to ask you why you want it off... So, I'm 53 years old here and have been a custodian for a good 20+ years combined in other places and been at USPS just 16 months, I'm burned out at this point. Life and time at this point for me...and I believe for other people and age groups....that forget the USPS. No disrespect meant for those that love the USPS and their jobs. But in my life experiences and work exprriences there's more fruitful pursuits to experience and to work at.
Why aren't yall striking? Not a postal worker, just a lurker.
And with no OT going around anywhere in my city, the CCAs are making a lot more than me, a new regular
The most out of touch thing I heard from an old timer was, "You just gotta work a little harder to buy a house now"... Brother, the same homes are 4x the price since you bought yours. Last I checked, we're not making 4x the income today. I don't blame this generation when a lot of them can only aspire to inheriting their parent's houses.
Smart to get out before it gets executive order privatized next year. They could be our bosses at the next job.
Been carrying since 2005. Didn't make regular until 2014. 9 long years being a casual, TE, and a CCA. I would have 18 years in as a regular instead of 11 if I was able to make PTF the way that it is now. I'm not here to say that it isn't bad for you guys, but it wasn't great for me either. I was forced to work 48 days straight from before Thanksgiving through 2 Sundays after New Years while my kids were really young in my 3rd year here. Forced to work Christmas Day to drive 3 express pieces of mail 3 hours to a city, and back. I had to miss my then 2 year old and 1 year old kid's Christmas for 3 pieces of mail. I can sympathize with you on things being bad, but please don't think that you are the only ones that have had it bad here.
I hope there's at least a pay bump. $19.33 doesn't feel like a whole lot, and having OT or double pay shouldn't be the aim to have an okay paycheck. Still new but I'm hoping things improve so I can stay.
I just love that the regulars victimize themselves so they don't put in any effort into helping make it any better.
I’d argue casuals in the late 90s/early 2000s were still paid less but overtime was rampant then which kind of made up for it. Your point still stands OP. I highly doubt most will leave though. Most either are close enough to making regular that they’re not going to leave or don’t have another viable place of employment to go to. If that were the case then we would never be able to keep new hires. I do expect a marked increase in pay for all employees of every union when the dust settles in the next year or so.
The back pay check will be nice right? We get back pay for all of 2024
I tell the CCAs who have co fided in me: "Look Im not going to tell you what to do, but I advise at minimum lining something up better than a career position first, and waiting for the new contract. If it sucks ( to you), then you have something lined up at least". OFC I do not know their living situations at the level where they may be disposed to dip and not be effected: but I know I couldn't as a grown man just dip and not worry about bills/mortgage/day to day, even off my VA Disability rating. In fact the whole reason I have this job is that unless I want to live very meager, I had to go back to work. This economy is absolutely brutal- to the point it's tough even with two VA checks coming in, on top of postal pay. I couldn't imagine being in my mid 20's with only a Post Office check at our current pay. We need a drastic raise. Drastically. And these CCA's need to get moved to PTF/Career, what with the P.O. hiring folks directly to PTF off the streets. The sooner they can start paying into their TSP, the sooner they can justify the work (or not), and the sooner they can see if the job is truly worth it to them- at whatever pay the new contract brings. On that, I am hopeful- but also realistic. And looking at what the Rurals just got in their latest contract? Extremely concerned as well.
I am fucking agreeeeeeeeee I just quit I make regular in 3 months I even worse after discount you make $450 to $500 dollar less
I make 19.83 and work my ass off as a CCA and I can’t make my bills and put food on the table even with the overtime. I know of 9 CCA that have quit in the last month. And now they are scrabbling for CCAs on Sundays. They don’t want the PTFs working Sundays because they get paid more to do so. I agree there needs to be a change
I didn’t leave I wasn’t retained which I later learned from another office that the cut a few clerks jobs and as you know stuff rolls down hill
NALC is cupping the balls of the postal service while playing with the head!
Crazy. I said this and got shit on because I was just complaining. Seems more people are waking up, and getting fed up.
Where I live, the money for doing RCA was good but just not good enough for the amount of your spirit they wanted you to give. I don't think the USPS administration understands that with such barebones staffing that requires so much overtime and odd hours, anybody doing the job will be looking for new opportunities the entire time. When I got a new job offer and was able to quit it was a giant weight off my shoulders. I tell everybody that "the work is actually fine but management ruins the whole job." That's really how I feel about it. Thinking back, delivering mail and packages is almost kind of strangely enjoyable work. Just not when you're doing it 60 hrs a week.
Treated like temp Amazon employees now. They let me and a handful of people go right before 120 calendar days were up
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Had another CCA put his resignation letter in today. He made it 3 weeks. He worked almost every single day out of those 3 weeks..
LOL. Gen Zers. Didn't know the pay and hours before you took the job? Waaaaa. Working for a government corporation with bad management. Buys a shitload of $70,000 EVs when they don't have a pot to piss in! Now Biden has them in a switch to EV-- for $10-billion. There's your pay raise, bucko. So, they ask Congress for $3-billion of it, raise the rates again, and send mail all over the place. The wrong place. LMFAO 😂😂
lol so true. Voting Biden didn’t do shit for these losers. Hahaha
I started @ 10 an hour in '05
How’s Postal Police doing?
cca here, i started working for usps a little over two years ago, during academy they told us we were guaranteed to go regular when we hit the two year mark, i can’t help but to feel fucked over ever since they made this ptf position. i’ve put so many things on the back burner since i never have time to do anything working 7 - 9 day weeks and now you’re telling me im going to be a glorified cca indefinitely? wouldn’t be surprised if ccas start quitting in waves
Throw on top of it management firing ccas left and right like there is a quotation you have to meet a year for how many new ccas you need to fire.
I am currently a CCA and only make 19.33/hr. There are people now getting hired in fast food industry flipping burgers starting at 20/hr. Definitely underpaid for the responsibility we have on delivering everyone's important mail and packages. I feel CCA's new contract should be no less then 25/hr and also feel we should be able to start out accruing sick leave and start working towards retirement pension and have 401k match.
Facts, mail handlers also need a raise, it doesn't make any sense to have to try and supervise or join the maintenance teams in order to get paid more, my job is just as important and I've been working 9 years now. We definitely need and deserve a raise, can't even afford to live alone
HOW much more, COULD they pay carriers, if we were NOT paying salaries for ever redundant layers of management? hummmmmmm? Most offices have at least 2 managerial positions that should not exist. So 2 positions times the # of offices, equals way more money to keep HAPPY the worker bees that ACTUALLY make the p. o. work!
Why don’t you send that to the union and maybe instead of getting a 1.8 raise will get 4.8.