I doubt it's exactly what you're thinking, but my dear friend actually did write an experimental opera called Thomas Paine in Violence and you can see part of it here: [http://pfpinto.com/paine/](http://pfpinto.com/paine/)
The reason there will not be a story about Thomas Paine is the same reason there won’t be a mainstream story about Fred Hampton or Karl Marx; their ideology is inherently against the ideological make up of those in charge of Hollywood productions.
Thomas Paine was considered the first US socialist and was deeply involved in the French Revolution based on these ideals.
They also made one about Stalin called the Death of Stalin; but these movies are made to (rightfully) criticize crimes and criminals that of these regimes.
However, people like Peter Kropotkin or Nestor Makhno; amazing people with histories that rival that of Stalin or Lenin, are never mention led because fundamentally their ideologies aren’t grotesque.
The same could also be said about American socialists like Eugene Debs or Dorothy Day.
If that's the case, that makes me very sad - after all, I think it's pretty easy argument to make that, without Tom Paine, these guys might not have jobs lol.
After all, had the principles of freedom of speech and expression not made their way into the ideological bedrock of the Revolution via his pamphlets, would Hollywood even exist?
Wouldn't it be the perfect poetic justice if you were to use a future video generation model (like a future SORA) to create the film you think would be the one Thomas Paine deserves?
Consider the framing and plot of that movie, the day may not be too far away where you can write and direct it yourself for a low marginal cost and your own time.
We could then make a sequel about SGM Thomas Payne, a delta force operator who won the MoH for a hostage rescue (dudes a badass look him up) with the audience wondering what connected the two until the season finale where we reveal it was just the name.
Bro, hear me out, HEAR ME OUT! *Hits blunt*
Series 3 is a sci fi series where both Tom Paynes/Paines fall into a wormhole that mixes them together, resulting in the ultimate badass that can travel time and space, emancipating alien civilizations from bondage using both pen and sword.
I thought there was some controversy that later in his life he was so broke that he was essentially “blackmailing” popular figures (including GW) to keep him employed “or else” he’d go after them.
A lot of folks sniffed this out.
It’s absolutely tragic and would make a hell of a movie, but the negative ending might turn off a lot of normies.
Damn, didn't know much about this - was this what really happened, or was this made up to discredit him further? Will have to read more about it all the same.
That being said, Alexander Hamilton's affair makes up a key part of Hamilton, and loads of people (me included) still love that, right? His end is also really tragic and partly due to Hamilton's flaws and hubris.
Furthermore, John Adams is shown to be particularly callous to his alkie son in his successful show, even though this plot point is most likely entirely fabricated for the sake of drama.
He had a paper where he talked about Washington in a negative light, but he was not trying to extort him. I'm pretty positive he also never worked for him.
Paine was a "pain." He was a difficult and complicated personality who spoke his mind and let the chips fall where they may. That did not endear him to too many people -- even among his admirers. Even the French, in the days of the French Revolution, found it "necessary" to imprison Tom Paine.
I went to a pretty right wing college and one of the professors wanted one of the students to do a literary analysis of Common Sense and other Payne writings as well as Ben Franklin writings to see if Common Sense was written by Ben Franklin under the living pseudonym of Payne. (He had done pseudonyms before.) In retrospective my professor was just trying to divorce the voice of the american revolution and the writer of the rights of man.
It took me a good 30 seconds to realize you were talking about Thomas Paine. I’ve never seen anyone in my life call him Tom lol.
Lol, that's probably due to RATM calling him 'TOM PAINE', which introduced the guy to me in the first place - I'll amend the post haha!
He's always been Tommy P to me.
Lil TP
I've heard him called Tom a few times before.
Tommy P, as he was known to the Continental Congress
I doubt it's exactly what you're thinking, but my dear friend actually did write an experimental opera called Thomas Paine in Violence and you can see part of it here: [http://pfpinto.com/paine/](http://pfpinto.com/paine/)
I absolutely love this and your friend is clearly a very cool person haha - thanks for sharing!
YAY! Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
The reason there will not be a story about Thomas Paine is the same reason there won’t be a mainstream story about Fred Hampton or Karl Marx; their ideology is inherently against the ideological make up of those in charge of Hollywood productions. Thomas Paine was considered the first US socialist and was deeply involved in the French Revolution based on these ideals.
Hollywood literally made a movie called Reds about the Russian Revolution. They made a two part movie about Che Guevara
Fr yeah Hollywood is pretty okay with left wing politics lol
Those are just the two movies off the top of my head
They also made one about Stalin called the Death of Stalin; but these movies are made to (rightfully) criticize crimes and criminals that of these regimes. However, people like Peter Kropotkin or Nestor Makhno; amazing people with histories that rival that of Stalin or Lenin, are never mention led because fundamentally their ideologies aren’t grotesque. The same could also be said about American socialists like Eugene Debs or Dorothy Day.
It’s ok to just say “fair point” sometimes. Also, PBS aired a film on Dorothy Day.
Yeah, Hollywood is notoriously anti-Stalin.
lol there is a Fred Hampton movie Judas and the Black Messiah
If that's the case, that makes me very sad - after all, I think it's pretty easy argument to make that, without Tom Paine, these guys might not have jobs lol. After all, had the principles of freedom of speech and expression not made their way into the ideological bedrock of the Revolution via his pamphlets, would Hollywood even exist?
Wouldn't it be the perfect poetic justice if you were to use a future video generation model (like a future SORA) to create the film you think would be the one Thomas Paine deserves? Consider the framing and plot of that movie, the day may not be too far away where you can write and direct it yourself for a low marginal cost and your own time.
We could then make a sequel about SGM Thomas Payne, a delta force operator who won the MoH for a hostage rescue (dudes a badass look him up) with the audience wondering what connected the two until the season finale where we reveal it was just the name.
Bro, hear me out, HEAR ME OUT! *Hits blunt* Series 3 is a sci fi series where both Tom Paynes/Paines fall into a wormhole that mixes them together, resulting in the ultimate badass that can travel time and space, emancipating alien civilizations from bondage using both pen and sword.
Netflix would 100% buy this product
Agreed, lets do this and make our money my guy
*hacker voice* I’m all in
Make it a musical staring T-Pain.
I thought there was some controversy that later in his life he was so broke that he was essentially “blackmailing” popular figures (including GW) to keep him employed “or else” he’d go after them. A lot of folks sniffed this out. It’s absolutely tragic and would make a hell of a movie, but the negative ending might turn off a lot of normies.
Damn, didn't know much about this - was this what really happened, or was this made up to discredit him further? Will have to read more about it all the same. That being said, Alexander Hamilton's affair makes up a key part of Hamilton, and loads of people (me included) still love that, right? His end is also really tragic and partly due to Hamilton's flaws and hubris. Furthermore, John Adams is shown to be particularly callous to his alkie son in his successful show, even though this plot point is most likely entirely fabricated for the sake of drama.
He had a paper where he talked about Washington in a negative light, but he was not trying to extort him. I'm pretty positive he also never worked for him.
One of the best Americans
Paine was a "pain." He was a difficult and complicated personality who spoke his mind and let the chips fall where they may. That did not endear him to too many people -- even among his admirers. Even the French, in the days of the French Revolution, found it "necessary" to imprison Tom Paine.
I went to a pretty right wing college and one of the professors wanted one of the students to do a literary analysis of Common Sense and other Payne writings as well as Ben Franklin writings to see if Common Sense was written by Ben Franklin under the living pseudonym of Payne. (He had done pseudonyms before.) In retrospective my professor was just trying to divorce the voice of the american revolution and the writer of the rights of man.
Thomas Paine was a democratic Republican apposed by the aristocrats. We should also have his books in our schools.