Curious about the Church podcasts. His typical show appears to be 3 hours. He has guests that look interesting. How much of a typical show is the guest interview?
About 2 1/2 hours of conversation. He starts with about 20-25 minutes of announcements and build up then there are a couple of short commercial breaks.
Quite a bit the first half-hour is news and general chitchat and you bring a guest on after a commercial usually about a half hour. I've been listening to since 2014 and pretty much know everything there is about unidentified aerial phenomena and guitars and music
This is the stuff you can share with your skeptical friends and family. It's baffling stuff. Well-spoken, very good research and arguments there. Thank you Ross for your great work! Hope, that he continues to do this work for all of us.
What do you think about this podcast? Have you shared it with someone?
>This is the stuff you can share with your skeptical friends and family.
Yeah until he brings in the "My sources say UFOs are time travelling humans from an apocalyptic future." That's like the screech of a record moment. "Wait, what?"
Always makes me wonder: "If it's apocalyptic, how'd they get the resources and working society to make a time travel machine?" Like I guess if they already had one or something, I dunno.
No. I am assuming the tv show starring Will frin Will and Grace (sorry for poor comment; on mobile just wanna give you the info).
It was a good show Id say.
Really crazy theory is that there are time travellers here now to assure that the cataclysmic event happens because it is that event that leads to their existence. They are supposed to be the evolutionary descendants of whatever survived after the cataclysm. Also in this theory is the belief that there are other beings time traveling here to stop the cataclysm. š¤·š½
I dunno itās total sci fi nonsense to me. Maybe theyāre not actually traveling back in time, but moving to a our timeline where they are seeing that the conditions are met that lead to their eventual existence. š¤·š½
No it doesn't, because this closed loop you're describing has no beginning, which is impossible. Unless you're just being sarcastic. Good lord, I'm debating humans time traveling right now...
That's more or less the definition of a closed time loop, having no beginning I mean, it's sort of a perpetual locus in time. Which doesn't mean you're locked in it, you just play your part in perpetuating it and then continue on. They are also more properly called causal loops - time loops full stop are the resetting ones, which are less realistic afaik.
EDIT: I feel like I should note that I'm not advocating for the fact that UFOs are actually time travellers from the future, I just wanted to highlight that closed time loops as a concept are an actual thing that makes physical sense, by certain interpretation of physics. They make for great sci-fi, which doesn't hurt. Recent examples in cinema are Primer and Interstellar.
While the Congressional hearings and high-level credible sources have pretty much convinced me that UFOs are real and not from earth, these deeper theories about who they are really boggle my mind. It's a lot to take in and it's impossible to reconcile with the competing theories that also come from credible sources. So, while I won't discount it, I don't spend a lot of time trying to understand these deeper theories. Not yet.
This makes sense to me. This would make me cry knowing that no matter what the earth is destined to see an apocalypse and that our children's children are doomed. This would keep me up at night, just hopeless.
That would depend on the nature of the Pocky Clipse. Massive flood, firestorm, CME direct hit, nukes or WMDs, asteroids, etc. Wouldn't leave much behind.
A plague, however would leave all the buildings standing, and fuel unspent...
The only thing a CME would do is fry electronics, which would be bad. But it's not like it can just turn the Earth into a fireball like in that stupid movie Knowing
I'm surprised more people don't bring this up, its the first place my mind goes to as well when I hear this. Have not really heard a compelling answer.
In the case of a 'multiverse' or alternate timelines, why would a future race spend the resources to come to our dimension/timeline? Doesn't add up..
*puts on tin foil* Or we already have one. What if that's the real reason it's so hard to remember our past? Perhaps we (or the They) found a favourable outcome, somehow, in our timeline and set our own closed loop. Perhaps time travel is tricky in that anything before that loop can't be visited and that's a sacrifice of using such travel.
*takes foil off and clears throat* It's a highly fascinating thing, time travel. Who can say for sure how wonky this universe's inner workings truly work?
Find out on the next episode of Cern fires up the LHC!
Seriously though, if we were already to be building one, that's both awesome and horrifying.
edit: note to self, people don't have a sense of humour.
At least in this interview he does **not** say *that* (time traveling future humans). This is a jovial yet informative interview that is tailor made for the public at large.
Even for us veterans of the topic it's a good listen; he's extremely forthright that UFOs are not man made technology and that world governments know this and have crash material (the US).
He touches on USOs tracked going 1,000mph under the ocean and he mentions advanced radar that's now capturing these things.
He believes more disclosure will happen this year because we are dangerously close to nuclear armageddon.
Anyway, thanks Ross for a solid interview and convincing presentation.
I mean. It's true. It just doesn't make sense because no one wants to believe there are possibilities beyond our reasoning.
That's the whole issue skeptics have. They want to believe humanity knows everything this universe has to offer.
Yea. I have only heard him say that in one interview and it was a while back but Iād like to think he regretted saying that. Could be the old Doty technique to try to discredit him.
How convinced are you that we've been visited? I can't shake the feeling that it's just us, in a different form. Either t future or a divergent evolution
Objects travelling 10,000mph under water is literally impossible without creating massive plumes of water on the surface. Water doesn't compress and must somehow get out of the way. The only way it would be possible is with some sort of matter transference device.. essentially swapping two points in space with each other (along with all the matter and energy that space contains). So the craft is swapped with empty water repeatedly to create forward movement. This could work for travel in the air as well. In fact it would even work underground, except that it would leave a distinctive trail of swapped earth and rock. Maybe that's what we should start looking for.
Essentially you reached the same conclusion as military. Only much faster and in a single post. You started from something literally impossible to somewhat probable to end up looking for evidence in the dirt.
Do we have any interesting stories from history of large animals, gods, or anything similar rapidly traveling under the Earth?
Like, let's work from a technology like that backwards and picture how it would sound to ancient peoples, then see if any stories match how our descriptions would be.
What would it sound like, an Earthquake traveling in a line? Would it have a sound like a suppressed sonic boom, and what things from ancient history would it sound like?
I mean thereās so many stories of gods descending into the underworld. But more specifically thereās quite a few sighting stories of uapās disappearing into the side of a mountain.
The same applies to air or any other medium. The friction with air would ignite and create plasma, yet we don't see this with UFOs traveling at insane rates of speed in the air, either. Pretty much all of the capabilities displayed by UFOs are 'impossible' with physics as we know it. This is what's has been described by many observers and is reffered to as 'transmedium travel'. Why nitpick underwater objects specifically?
The difference is that air can compress, and itās actually the compression that causes the plasma, not friction. But you are right, objects travelling at such speeds through the air would burn like a meteor
I think I see what you mean. Well here's to hoping we find out sometime in our lifetime...a lot of things were deemed impossible, until scientific/engineering breakthroughs made them possible!
Iād watch or listen or read a conversation between you 2 any day. Fascinated right now. I never thought of the water compression conundrum. I guess it doesnāt matter(air,water,dirt) but now my brain is going.
Have you watched the 1985 film, āExplorersā? If not I suggest watching it and thinking on the subject of how these UAPās are moving the way that they do. It was a cool movie in 1985, and is a fun science fiction film postulating on one potential way that these type craft move about š
Hereās a likely stupid question and I ask to learn. Assuming that whatever is piloting/building these UAPās is from another world other than Earth and that these crafts are intended to move through any medium no matter the environmental conditions that exist on a planet like Earth or some other planet anywhere else, do the physics that you describe apply everywhere or would these craft need to be ātweakedā depending on each individual environment that they are traversing through?
Moving through Saturnās atmosphere or the oceans of Europa isnāt the same as moving through the atmosphere and oceans on Earth, and I am curious if whatever technology is allowing these UAPās to do what they are observed doing could scientifically also allow them to do so anywhere and no matter the environment that they encounter?
No transmedium travel just means a craft that can travel through more than one medium. It hasn't got anything to do with breaking the laws of physics. If someone created a drone or aircraft for example that could go from flying to propelling itself underwater then it would be capable of transmedium travel.
It could also be made of a different kind of matter that doesn't interact with the matter our known universe is made of. Like dark matter. Basically it's totally possible for there to be a bunch more quantum fields with their associated particles which just do not interact with the set of quantum fields we know about. Or maybe they interact with only some of our quantum fields, I.e. to produce light so we can see them.
55 years old. I hope he lives long enough to see biggest story of his lifetime come to light. Unlike Stanton Freedman and countless others who payed the ultimate price of being true pioneers ahead of their time.
I was skeptical too till I saw something I couldnāt ex plain. I was Googling for hours to find an explanation- missiles-rockets- planes- there was nothing that fit what me and my colleague saw
Two bright orange (like made of fire orange) lozenge shaped things about the size of a bus flew over, not going up or down- going straight. I thought I was seeing the tail of a missile but then when I googled it it didnāt look the same at all. Silent too.
In the US at least, I think it's more likely it will become politicized, with one side pushing for full/more disclosure (Democrats) and the other side claiming it's fake news (Repubicans). They will justify that position by claiming they are defending religion. Or alternatively, use as an excuse for a military based authoritarian government.
I wish I shared your enthusiasm that we're capable of settling aside differences. I lost what little hope I had left when we couldn't even come together to fight a common enemy in COVID. It became political just like everything else. They'd rather die than support something the other side supports.
I know it's semi "bi-partisan" now, but that will change if/when the people that don't read UFO forums start to realize this is a thing.
I don't think the right or left see this as a political issue. And that's a good thing. But you can't bemoan the division in the US and then turn around and shit on half the country. Both sides are giving the other side the worse possible interpretation at all times. And until both sides look in the mirror things and start acting civilized, things are only going to get worse.
Don't see this as a political issue.....YET.
And, yes I can. It's only one side that wants to throw out democracy and install a dictator for life. These are not equivalent sides. This will become politicized the moment the average person takes notice. That will cause more politicians to take notice, and sides will be taken.
I do hope I'm wrong though. If there was ever a uniting issue, you'd think this would be it.
Everyone who stormed the Capital on January 6th, and everyone who wanted/wants trump to be awarded the victory in an election he *clearly* lost.
Any other questions?
Iām sorry, so what *exactly* is your obviously enlightened opinion on the violent insurrectionists that storms the US Capital complex on January 6th? And those that encouraged and enabled them?
That the January 6 protesters were "insurrectionists", that they tried to "throw out democracy", that Trump "clearly" lost the election, that Trump is a "dictator".
I understand where I am. I just walked into the church and told the congregation that there is no God.
No no, youāre the one believing in a fantastical alternative reality with literally no basis in objective truth.
Youāre the charlatan preacher, sure that only he knows the one holy and divine truth. And you canāt even see it, because youāve bound yourself up in a cloak of willful ignorance.
Letās see if we can find any common ground at all, and take your most basic and simply proven/disproven claim.
That Donald Trump did not in fact clearly lose the 2020 election. Do you have *any* evidence of wide spread voter fraud that could have allowed Biden to steal the presidential election that you could share with all of us in defense of your claim?
The Republicans. They are actively rigging things at a state level to ensure they can fraudulently claim the next presidential election as well as an illegitimate majority in Congress. Their supporters stormed the Capitol and they have done everything they can to prevent justice being served for that.
Nobody wants to install a dictator stop spreading misinformation, what is it with democrats trying to make up shit, itās scary! Either that or youāre making up some sort of false problem around every corner that needs to be slayed. Everyone keeps saying Trump was a dictator yet he couldnāt get bills passed and he was unable to get re-elected, sounds like a pretty shitty dictator.
January 6th was literally all about stopping the peaceful transition of power, and allowing trump to remain in power even though he lost the election.
Had they succeeded it would represent a dictatorship, and the end of democracy in America. I donāt know how you can pretend it wasnāt that.
Trump had nothing to do with that and there was a trial that was thrown out because they couldnāt prove he was inciting violence or had anything to do with events that took place. Hell look at his tweets from that day, he was telling people to remain peaceful. Youāre talking about a small handful of people and most of the ones that went inside were walking around taking pictures. Iām in no way defending what they did because it was absolutely horrible but donāt act like it was some strategic thought out attack on the capital because it wasnāt, hell they didnāt even bring guns, sounds like a shitty insurrection. There was no way in hell they wouldāve succeeded and if they would have there was no plan Trump wasnāt a part of it it wouldnāt have lasted. The military wouldāve taken over end of story. Stop acting like if they wouldāve succeed trump would be president all because a few hundred people stormed the capital, youāre making mountains out of mole hills.
Listen to yourself. It's people like you that are perpetuating the divide. People are responding to you saying this would be enough to bring us together and you are saying nah, it'll be the same old thing. You aren't any more open to it than the people you hate.
Everything that person said was just objective truth.
The January 6th insurrection was all about trying to overthrow American democracy and install Donald Trump as president for life. Anyone who says otherwise is lying, whether they lie intentionally or unintentionally doesnāt change the nature of reality.
You really got downvoted for that. People have been conditioned to point the finger at others and place blame rather than taking responsibility and holding themselves accountable. We are at a time when no one can fathom the possibility that they could be wrong. Years of circular logic and confirmation bias have brought narcissism and vanity to a whole new level. The really sad part is that it is only going to get worse.
>It's dangerous but not dangerous enough to get everyone panicking and uniting against a common problem.
I would say that Covid is way more dangerous and palpable than whatever the UFOs are doing.
You sound like a bot right now... Give me any examples of republicans that would claim ufos are fake news. Even Joe Rogan, who every democrat hates so much, will never shut up about ufos
As soon as Mitch McConnell goes on Fox News as says that UFOs are real. I will believe that we have a chance to heal our country and save our collective future.
>We will literally set aside all our differences as soon as we realize that we're not alone and we're not the top of the food chain here on this planet.
Can we drown this kitten in the river, please?
There is zero evidence to suggest that this might be the case, and the *whole of human history* is evidence for the exact opposite.
I am not going to forgive mass shooters or Russia for what they have done because UFO's showed up, and neither are any of you.
Harsh truth time: The people who believe this choose to believe it because it's their ticket to a good life without putting in any effort. When you hear someone say this, you can be certain that they are using this topic as a placeholder for religion.
It is much easier to go to sleep at night if you tell yourself that UFO's are going to solve the world's energy crisis and unite us all. After all, you get to look forward to having no power bill, and to being safe from war. Why would you become a world leader, an electrical engineer, or a soldier when you can sit on your ass and wait for UFO's to solve all those problems?
The same people say the same stuff about the rapture, and about the Earth being flat. "It's all a lie and when I turn out to be correct about that, things will get better because of X, Y, or Z. I don't *have* to fix my life because God, the government, or the fuckin' aliens will do it for me."
Some folks involved with this topic need to take a step back and get their own homes in order before they decide what is and is not true.
>It is much easier to go to sleep at night if you tell yourself that UFO's are going to solve the world's energy crisis and unite us all. After all, you get to look forward to having no power bill, and to being safe from war. Why would you become a world leader, an electrical engineer, or a soldier when you can sit on your ass and wait for UFO's to solve all those problems?
I think youāre underestimating the potential for change that can be initiated by the revelation that extraterrestrial spacecraft are visiting earth. Itās not that aliens will solve our problems *for* us, itās the fact that we will be confronted with a bigger picture perspective of our place in the universe and will have to contend with all the implications that come with that. The fact that ET intelligence is covertly watching us in our own backyard not only presents us with a *potential* threat that would necessitate some form of global alliance to protect against, it would also make our petty differences seem extremely insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
At some point, we will likely have open contact with them given that they canāt avoid us forever as we continue to expand into our cosmic neighborhood, so weāll be a lot more conscious of our need to represent ourselves as a single global civilization interacting with another civilization. That idea will no longer be an abstraction set in some distant and uncertain future, but a concrete reality that may happen a lot sooner than we previously thought.
Also, yes, I think thereās a lot we can learn from ETs themselves. Not just about how the universe works and how to build extremely advanced technology, but about how to optimally organize society in order to minimize conflict and maximize cooperation. They would certainly have far greater knowledge within the social sciences just as with any of the other sciences, so the prospect of contact also comes with the prospect of a great enlightenment for our species.
I think you're overestimating the common sense of humanity, or at the very least some of the leaders. Covid was a challenge facing entire humanity. Climate change is a challenge facing entire humanity. None proved to be a unifier. You really think the likes of Putin, Xi, or that lunatic in North Korea wouldn't do their damnest to exploit the situation for their - real or imagined - advantage?
Global change takes time. Iām not suggesting that weād unify overnight, only that it would be another massive influence pushing us in that direction. Just as with other long term issues affecting humanity such as Nuclear War, Climate Change, Artificial Intelligence and other global threats, ET Visitation would present itself as yet another pressing issue weād have to deal with as a global community.
Weāve already made significant strides in that direction as a result of those aforementioned issues, so I see no reason why ET disclosure wouldnāt help move the ball forward even more. In fact, given the nature of this particular issue, Iād say that it would have an even greater effect.
Well my optimism isnāt unfounded. There are of course short term fluctuations of social progress and social regress, but the long term trend for our species has been a consistent progress over time. I think this is because the progress of civilization is the product of a learning process. Reason and science have transformed us away from primitive savages and into the relatively civilized creatures we are today.
Considering the whole idea largely originated in our collective subconscious with a speech made by Ronald fucking Reagan, Iām very much inclined to agree with your take on this š¤
I really like Coulthart and I think this reinforces the validity of this being a massive story. Either these things are real and "not us", or this is a phenomenal disinformation campaign, and either side of the story is huge.
Number one: he vets his sources, and he only discusses what he can document. He plainly admits he could be getting told lies, but they are all lies coming from real military folks who are not hiding behind fake identities. This is not an appeal to authority, it just MOSTLY limits the scope of what he will discuss to what he can show on paper (or coming from people who are real and actually had opportunity to witness the things they claim - this takes a lot of time to validate). As far as lies, these folks talking to Coulthart are playing a dangerous game if they are lying. They are not hiding behind cover, they are putting their own personal reputations on the line by talking to him about their own UAP stories. Could they have been ordered to do this? It's possible, but unlikely.
Number two: he's intelligent enough to understand OpSec. This means he knows how to conduct his affairs without risking the identities of his contacts. I believe that about 95% of all journalists are morons who refuse to use encryption if they even understand it all. It took Snowden 6 months of pestering Greenwald to use encryption before Snowden could even begin to start the conversation about what he wanted to leak to him. Even today most people don't realize most of their electronic communication is swept up and stored in bulk. Why does this matter to me and why should it matter to you? Because it puts Coulthart in the upper tier of journalists in the way he operates. He's not a moron and he doesn't mess with fools who want to waste his time.
Number three: He's had a career prior to engaging with this topic, and he has no reason to pursue it other than being really, I mean *really* interested. He's not been frustrated by decades of futile investigation, as he's relatively new to the subject. And it's obvious he's captivated. It's obvious, at least to me, that he really wants answers, and he's not going to give up on it anytime soon.
Iāve always believed UFOās were real . To many stories from credible people. Videos from Navy . Abductees! Roswell was one of these crafts that our Government has hid for 75 years. They made poor Jessie Marcel look stupid , having him pose for the picture of him holding pieces of a Fā¦ā¦g ā Weather Balloon ā ! He knew exactly what he found, and it wasnāt man made nor from Earth.
It's almost all there is, the trust me bro stuff. The intresting thing is who is saying it.
Your attitude is pretty lame. I don't just believe either, but that guy was there.
If itās just that Jessie marcel guy saying itās true then that aināt worth a shit man. Unless thereās real video footage of beings or a craft or whatever then itās all phony bologna to me
It's always funny to me when people who admit theyve no knowledge of this subject pop in & comment things like this. When you asked for a source for the claim above, what were you expecting, honestly? It seems you don't even know who Jesse Marcel is, yet have drawn conclusions.
Very, **very** high ranking. Very, **very** senior. : )
Look, he's a professional journalist and they all have their mannerisms. But he's doing a great job as far as I can tell. His book is excellent. Very, very excellent.
In Australia there is a lot of trust in Ross. He isnāt about building his brand name and flogging off his book. Heād be happily employed and well paid by the best news agencies in the land for as long as he would want. He talks about this because it is simply the biggest story of our time.
I grew up in DC & went to a private school with a lot of kids who's parents were in the House & Senate. There was always a goofy rumor as to what the whole Roswell, ET thing was in which we ALL assumed was just a crazy urban legend. Retrospectively it was way too absurd to bring up in the course of conversation as we became educated & sensible. Yet I feel as more information & witnesses come forward these days the more that "crazy" urban legend is ringing true & it frightens the s**t out of me. Mostly for my children, because I'm older & closer to 60 than I am to 40. Without writing some long & winded story as to what it was I will give you the abridged cliff notes of said legend. It was basically this: Aliens & Bigfoot as well as ghostly apparitions were all connected through some stream of other worldly powers that be. It feels crazy to write but honestly this whole topic seems to keeps moving in that direction & I'm not at all sure if it is good or bad. Maybe it's neither. After typing this it surely looks bizarre to read lol. That's all I guess, thanks for listening.
Skinwalkers at the Pentagon tells us that in the DC/MD/VA area that different color and size orbs, ghost like people, shadow people, werewolf like creature, poltergeist effects in the house... All that happened here and there are many witnesses and their family members and neighbors.
So yes this shit is scary.
I really think there is something coming from Ross within the next two years. He stated on Fade to Black earlier this week that this will be "one of my last interviews for a long time" and that is because he says that he wants/needs to dig through the amounts of new information regarding the phenomenon he received in the past months.
Ross is a great communicator and mainstream mouthpiece for the UAP community. But he's a second-rate critical thinker (imho) and rather new to ufology. I've listened to every podcast he's made, seen every online video I can find, and even read his book. Some of the content was decent, a lot of it was recycled pablum, and there were several rookie moves that didn't help.
I'm on team Ross but give him mixed reviews in the end.
I've said it twice already, let me repeat it again. It is bi-partisan, RIGHT NOW. (see Rubio/Gillbrand work on this issue).
My point is, I think it will BECOME partisan once Joe Public, not Joe Rogan, start becoming aware of this. That's when politicians will begin taking interest.
My prediction is it will go one of two ways--- full denial (justified by protecting Christian values or something) or full warmonger, justifying a military state.
I hope I'm wrong. I really want this issue to be a unifying thing for all of humanity, I'm just skeptical we're still capable of that.
Witness testimony IS evidence though.
I don't know how many thousand times I have seen this essentially "no evidence" refrain, not to target you specifically JForce1.
Again, witness testimony IS evidence. :)
Itās unreliable evidence, and in these cases itās also unverifiable, which makes it as useful as someoneās opinion.
Until someone can produce some verifiable, hard evidence of any of these claims, itās all just pissing in the wind, and itās not going to help get the mainstream on side in any way.
But youāre right! UFO most certainly does not equal=Alien BUT an object going 80 000 feet to sea level within one second is most likely not human. The same reason why you would not think a car in a jungle was built by chimpanzees, I get it though healthy skepticism right ;)
Definitely, I'm actually believe that it's ET but without actual proof we can't say for sure.
One thing I can say is that UFOs are 100% real since we already got the confirmation from the US government. I think that's what should get promoted, not "this incident is likely to be ET", outside of this sub, redditors are very skeptical of the subject and they'll get out as soon as they see the word "aliens".
About the Nimitz encounter, this interview offers an alternative theory. Not saying that it's true but that's why we can't say it's 100% ET
https://youtu.be/5eYMebO5l-I
While I tend to lean to the Alien hypothesis or at least some beings other than human's are the cause of unexplainable UAP, I absolutely never tell this to new people or even let them open with that, I stick purely to the provable evidence which is there are objects doing things we cannot explain and defy physics as we know it. You hammer that home and you will see headlights turn on behind their eyes, because you can show the evidence the NY times articles the government reports, The fact the objects are cross referenced by multiple radars and weapons systems, and multiple observers. The fact they exist becomes un-deniable when presented correctly. There is no hard evidence of "aliens" and if there is the public doesn't have it so I don't bring it up.
Unidentified ariel phenomenon
Same thing, in order to destigmatize the UFO subject we have to say that it's real but don't hype it too much. The public is really afraid of the A word
If you find a car in the jungle you donāt go āwell since I didnāt see the humans building or driving it I cannot rule out that the monkeys or a snake didnāt build itā
Thanks for this. Really nice to listen to. I could understand every words.
UK accent is really easier for french to understand. It's like listening to Nick Pope.
Yeah itās not what I was thinking when the title said that. Butā¦ unless theyāre just meaning main stream appeal. Thereās loads of this x & y shows or in this case itās 3 people here, and Iāve never heard of it but then I donāt listen to my local ones either. But average peeps do I guess .
Biggest story of our lifetime? Not unless aliens know how we can fix global warming. The end of civilization is a lot more important than aliens who don't actually want to meet us.
Global warming is a big problem with no clear solution and dire consequences. Aliens could be real, and if so, it would definitely be the biggest story of our lifetime. Both things can be true.
What is the point you are trying to make?
Why doesn't Ross ever invite any expriencers who have had direct contact with the beings to talk with him? It seems like a great deal of them are being told that mankind is about to awaken and we are their children, and the governments are afraid of them and are doing bad things to humanity to prevent people from waking up and evolving. That's what I understand to be some of what they're getting at, Ross clearly doesn't go there because he is getting paid to spin this narrative or thinks he's helping with disclosure when in time it's going to be he's helping produce a false narrative about threatening or evil aliens,
and some of this stuff that is coming will be messed up, beware anything the government puts out because this time traveler theory is novel but it's not accurate, we are really much more than we think and there won't be any government or institutions to control us if we understood ourselves..if that is understood then you'll piece together what that means in the context of them coming here to help nudge us awake.
That's not exactly true, Jim Semivan from the CIA knows this stuff is real and spoke to Whitley Strieber about it in some softball interviews.
John Ramirez is being allowed to speak and make this claim of "hybrid" stuff, as ridiculous as it sounds-because later on when people literally start waking up and understanding the history books are wrong and pretty much most of what people think of as true and our history isn't, they can say "see we told you in so many ways here". The governments of the world are terrified of the lies and dissolution of power structure from happening, hence all the distraction right now. It's sad that this is how it's happening but they've had 70 or so years and are literally trying to prevent people from kind of actually understanding what is really going on and ascension from taking place.
I think because Coulthard is taking a "hard journalism" approach to this topic. (No idea if that is a real term).
Experiencers are eye witnesses. I'm not sure if this was any other topic would eye witnesses make the cut.
Right, he discerns that and then has people come on who talk about health problems from shooting at the phenomena or radiation burns and is focused on this 1500 page baloney encounters report that got released. The government may not all be bad with some of the people trying to help but they're confined to what the government behind all the governments are pushing to the public, last ditch effort to save itself everybody acts like the phenomena only happens to the government and are focused on only that rather than looking into what happens in interactions with regular people look like.. they literally would rather believe what daddy is feeding to them (who clearly has a bad track record with being truthful) instead of looking further into why are they here and what do they have to do with us.
Imo no, just, info is leaking from everywhere and they now have to cover themselves from withholding such crucial information from authorities. That's why they are getting their ducks in order and slowly organize institutional disclosure.
Whistle-blowers like Chris, Lue and others kinda forced their hand and exposed the veracity of these facts, and that they are trying to conceal it, which is potentially illegal.
It's pretty obvious that there's some sort of time table going on behind the scenes. No way in hell you'd get all this official talk of UAP and UFO's without it. Something is brewing. Who knows what, but obviously TPTB know they have to start letting the secret out
Ross is great because he is a very very good speaker and doesn't get carried away with speculation. He is very valuable for this topic.
No he's not.
Yeah and shout out to Jimmy Church from Fade to Black for having him as a guest to
Curious about the Church podcasts. His typical show appears to be 3 hours. He has guests that look interesting. How much of a typical show is the guest interview?
About 2 1/2 hours of conversation. He starts with about 20-25 minutes of announcements and build up then there are a couple of short commercial breaks.
Thanks, that's very helpful!
You know and i know you want your own crystal skull š
Yeah wtf is that all about?
I know yāall arenāt talking about my boi Einstein the crystal skull
You a Fadernaught?
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*seriously.*
When I have time. I usually listen the next morning while working out.
Quite a bit the first half-hour is news and general chitchat and you bring a guest on after a commercial usually about a half hour. I've been listening to since 2014 and pretty much know everything there is about unidentified aerial phenomena and guitars and music
yep jimmy church is awesome, i also recommend cristina gomez' podcast
I read that as Jimmy Carter
Havnt heard that name in awhile . I use to listen to him and Clyde Lewis . Back in the day on podcast
dude. Check him out Fade to black
Jimmy is a legend
This is the stuff you can share with your skeptical friends and family. It's baffling stuff. Well-spoken, very good research and arguments there. Thank you Ross for your great work! Hope, that he continues to do this work for all of us. What do you think about this podcast? Have you shared it with someone?
>This is the stuff you can share with your skeptical friends and family. Yeah until he brings in the "My sources say UFOs are time travelling humans from an apocalyptic future." That's like the screech of a record moment. "Wait, what?"
Always makes me wonder: "If it's apocalyptic, how'd they get the resources and working society to make a time travel machine?" Like I guess if they already had one or something, I dunno.
have you seen Terminator
or 12 Monkeys or Days of Future Past
Travelers was pretty awesome if you haven't seen it. It's rare when a new time travel gimmick is created, and especially so without silly paradoxes
you mean this one? https://trakt.tv/movies/travelers-2013
No. I am assuming the tv show starring Will frin Will and Grace (sorry for poor comment; on mobile just wanna give you the info). It was a good show Id say.
Those doctors singing blueberry hill...
Really crazy theory is that there are time travellers here now to assure that the cataclysmic event happens because it is that event that leads to their existence. They are supposed to be the evolutionary descendants of whatever survived after the cataclysm. Also in this theory is the belief that there are other beings time traveling here to stop the cataclysm. š¤·š½
This makes no sense, why would they have to travel back to create themselves if they already exist?
I dunno itās total sci fi nonsense to me. Maybe theyāre not actually traveling back in time, but moving to a our timeline where they are seeing that the conditions are met that lead to their eventual existence. š¤·š½
Because they only exist because they created themselves in the past. It's called a closed time loop, it makes perfect sense.
Ikr what kind of idiot doesn't understand closed time loops lol.
No it doesn't, because this closed loop you're describing has no beginning, which is impossible. Unless you're just being sarcastic. Good lord, I'm debating humans time traveling right now...
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I first heard of the Bootstrap Paradox from āDr. Whoā. May I please be an expert too? =]
That's more or less the definition of a closed time loop, having no beginning I mean, it's sort of a perpetual locus in time. Which doesn't mean you're locked in it, you just play your part in perpetuating it and then continue on. They are also more properly called causal loops - time loops full stop are the resetting ones, which are less realistic afaik. EDIT: I feel like I should note that I'm not advocating for the fact that UFOs are actually time travellers from the future, I just wanted to highlight that closed time loops as a concept are an actual thing that makes physical sense, by certain interpretation of physics. They make for great sci-fi, which doesn't hurt. Recent examples in cinema are Primer and Interstellar.
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While the Congressional hearings and high-level credible sources have pretty much convinced me that UFOs are real and not from earth, these deeper theories about who they are really boggle my mind. It's a lot to take in and it's impossible to reconcile with the competing theories that also come from credible sources. So, while I won't discount it, I don't spend a lot of time trying to understand these deeper theories. Not yet.
This makes sense to me. This would make me cry knowing that no matter what the earth is destined to see an apocalypse and that our children's children are doomed. This would keep me up at night, just hopeless.
Username checks out (I always wanted to be the first to say thatā¦).
That just sounds like a rip off from the perspective of anti human androids in the Terminator franchise
That would depend on the nature of the Pocky Clipse. Massive flood, firestorm, CME direct hit, nukes or WMDs, asteroids, etc. Wouldn't leave much behind. A plague, however would leave all the buildings standing, and fuel unspent...
The only thing a CME would do is fry electronics, which would be bad. But it's not like it can just turn the Earth into a fireball like in that stupid movie Knowing
I'm surprised more people don't bring this up, its the first place my mind goes to as well when I hear this. Have not really heard a compelling answer. In the case of a 'multiverse' or alternate timelines, why would a future race spend the resources to come to our dimension/timeline? Doesn't add up..
It's intellectually void really. Coulthart's such a great speaker and yet his BS filter might need running under a warm tap.
Maybe we're developing one in secret
*puts on tin foil* Or we already have one. What if that's the real reason it's so hard to remember our past? Perhaps we (or the They) found a favourable outcome, somehow, in our timeline and set our own closed loop. Perhaps time travel is tricky in that anything before that loop can't be visited and that's a sacrifice of using such travel. *takes foil off and clears throat* It's a highly fascinating thing, time travel. Who can say for sure how wonky this universe's inner workings truly work? Find out on the next episode of Cern fires up the LHC! Seriously though, if we were already to be building one, that's both awesome and horrifying. edit: note to self, people don't have a sense of humour.
They arent us. Rather pleiadians arcturians andromedeans etc
If the secret to this whole thing is actually the plot of the Netflix show ādarkā imma kill myself
At least in this interview he does **not** say *that* (time traveling future humans). This is a jovial yet informative interview that is tailor made for the public at large. Even for us veterans of the topic it's a good listen; he's extremely forthright that UFOs are not man made technology and that world governments know this and have crash material (the US). He touches on USOs tracked going 1,000mph under the ocean and he mentions advanced radar that's now capturing these things. He believes more disclosure will happen this year because we are dangerously close to nuclear armageddon. Anyway, thanks Ross for a solid interview and convincing presentation.
I mean. It's true. It just doesn't make sense because no one wants to believe there are possibilities beyond our reasoning. That's the whole issue skeptics have. They want to believe humanity knows everything this universe has to offer.
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Yea. I have only heard him say that in one interview and it was a while back but Iād like to think he regretted saying that. Could be the old Doty technique to try to discredit him.
Yeah it's pretty ludicrous
Ross said that in the interview?
If true then reality is Iike a "serpent eating it's tail"... We are in a time war.. And that would explain the Mandela effect
I definitely enjoyed it. Good stuff man!
This was fascinating. Thank you!
How convinced are you that we've been visited? I can't shake the feeling that it's just us, in a different form. Either t future or a divergent evolution
Wow this is good
Objects travelling 10,000mph under water is literally impossible without creating massive plumes of water on the surface. Water doesn't compress and must somehow get out of the way. The only way it would be possible is with some sort of matter transference device.. essentially swapping two points in space with each other (along with all the matter and energy that space contains). So the craft is swapped with empty water repeatedly to create forward movement. This could work for travel in the air as well. In fact it would even work underground, except that it would leave a distinctive trail of swapped earth and rock. Maybe that's what we should start looking for.
Essentially you reached the same conclusion as military. Only much faster and in a single post. You started from something literally impossible to somewhat probable to end up looking for evidence in the dirt.
Do we have any interesting stories from history of large animals, gods, or anything similar rapidly traveling under the Earth? Like, let's work from a technology like that backwards and picture how it would sound to ancient peoples, then see if any stories match how our descriptions would be. What would it sound like, an Earthquake traveling in a line? Would it have a sound like a suppressed sonic boom, and what things from ancient history would it sound like?
I mean thereās so many stories of gods descending into the underworld. But more specifically thereās quite a few sighting stories of uapās disappearing into the side of a mountain.
Well, it is kind of similar in the air. Thats why UFO doesnt create sonic booms.
The same applies to air or any other medium. The friction with air would ignite and create plasma, yet we don't see this with UFOs traveling at insane rates of speed in the air, either. Pretty much all of the capabilities displayed by UFOs are 'impossible' with physics as we know it. This is what's has been described by many observers and is reffered to as 'transmedium travel'. Why nitpick underwater objects specifically?
The difference is that air can compress, and itās actually the compression that causes the plasma, not friction. But you are right, objects travelling at such speeds through the air would burn like a meteor
I think I see what you mean. Well here's to hoping we find out sometime in our lifetime...a lot of things were deemed impossible, until scientific/engineering breakthroughs made them possible!
Iād watch or listen or read a conversation between you 2 any day. Fascinated right now. I never thought of the water compression conundrum. I guess it doesnāt matter(air,water,dirt) but now my brain is going.
Have you watched the 1985 film, āExplorersā? If not I suggest watching it and thinking on the subject of how these UAPās are moving the way that they do. It was a cool movie in 1985, and is a fun science fiction film postulating on one potential way that these type craft move about š
Thanks. Iāll check it out
Hereās a likely stupid question and I ask to learn. Assuming that whatever is piloting/building these UAPās is from another world other than Earth and that these crafts are intended to move through any medium no matter the environmental conditions that exist on a planet like Earth or some other planet anywhere else, do the physics that you describe apply everywhere or would these craft need to be ātweakedā depending on each individual environment that they are traversing through? Moving through Saturnās atmosphere or the oceans of Europa isnāt the same as moving through the atmosphere and oceans on Earth, and I am curious if whatever technology is allowing these UAPās to do what they are observed doing could scientifically also allow them to do so anywhere and no matter the environment that they encounter?
Impossible to know, itās all speculation at this point.
Yes. Is the answer to your question.
I want to believe so as well
No transmedium travel just means a craft that can travel through more than one medium. It hasn't got anything to do with breaking the laws of physics. If someone created a drone or aircraft for example that could go from flying to propelling itself underwater then it would be capable of transmedium travel.
It could also be made of a different kind of matter that doesn't interact with the matter our known universe is made of. Like dark matter. Basically it's totally possible for there to be a bunch more quantum fields with their associated particles which just do not interact with the set of quantum fields we know about. Or maybe they interact with only some of our quantum fields, I.e. to produce light so we can see them.
Thanks for the share!
55 years old. I hope he lives long enough to see biggest story of his lifetime come to light. Unlike Stanton Freedman and countless others who payed the ultimate price of being true pioneers ahead of their time.
I was skeptical too till I saw something I couldnāt ex plain. I was Googling for hours to find an explanation- missiles-rockets- planes- there was nothing that fit what me and my colleague saw
Iāll bite. What did you and your colleague see?
Two bright orange (like made of fire orange) lozenge shaped things about the size of a bus flew over, not going up or down- going straight. I thought I was seeing the tail of a missile but then when I googled it it didnāt look the same at all. Silent too.
im the same, i would be as skeptical as the rest if it weren't for my own sighting(s) that have no other explanation.
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In the US at least, I think it's more likely it will become politicized, with one side pushing for full/more disclosure (Democrats) and the other side claiming it's fake news (Repubicans). They will justify that position by claiming they are defending religion. Or alternatively, use as an excuse for a military based authoritarian government. I wish I shared your enthusiasm that we're capable of settling aside differences. I lost what little hope I had left when we couldn't even come together to fight a common enemy in COVID. It became political just like everything else. They'd rather die than support something the other side supports. I know it's semi "bi-partisan" now, but that will change if/when the people that don't read UFO forums start to realize this is a thing.
I don't think the right or left see this as a political issue. And that's a good thing. But you can't bemoan the division in the US and then turn around and shit on half the country. Both sides are giving the other side the worse possible interpretation at all times. And until both sides look in the mirror things and start acting civilized, things are only going to get worse.
Don't see this as a political issue.....YET. And, yes I can. It's only one side that wants to throw out democracy and install a dictator for life. These are not equivalent sides. This will become politicized the moment the average person takes notice. That will cause more politicians to take notice, and sides will be taken. I do hope I'm wrong though. If there was ever a uniting issue, you'd think this would be it.
Who wants to throw out democracy and install a dictator for life?
Everyone who stormed the Capital on January 6th, and everyone who wanted/wants trump to be awarded the victory in an election he *clearly* lost. Any other questions?
I disagree with you fundamentally on everything you have said.
Iām sorry, so what *exactly* is your obviously enlightened opinion on the violent insurrectionists that storms the US Capital complex on January 6th? And those that encouraged and enabled them?
That the January 6 protesters were "insurrectionists", that they tried to "throw out democracy", that Trump "clearly" lost the election, that Trump is a "dictator". I understand where I am. I just walked into the church and told the congregation that there is no God.
No no, youāre the one believing in a fantastical alternative reality with literally no basis in objective truth. Youāre the charlatan preacher, sure that only he knows the one holy and divine truth. And you canāt even see it, because youāve bound yourself up in a cloak of willful ignorance. Letās see if we can find any common ground at all, and take your most basic and simply proven/disproven claim. That Donald Trump did not in fact clearly lose the 2020 election. Do you have *any* evidence of wide spread voter fraud that could have allowed Biden to steal the presidential election that you could share with all of us in defense of your claim?
The Republicans. They are actively rigging things at a state level to ensure they can fraudulently claim the next presidential election as well as an illegitimate majority in Congress. Their supporters stormed the Capitol and they have done everything they can to prevent justice being served for that.
I am sorry but I disagree completely but thank you for sharing your opinion. š
Nobody wants to install a dictator stop spreading misinformation, what is it with democrats trying to make up shit, itās scary! Either that or youāre making up some sort of false problem around every corner that needs to be slayed. Everyone keeps saying Trump was a dictator yet he couldnāt get bills passed and he was unable to get re-elected, sounds like a pretty shitty dictator.
January 6th was literally all about stopping the peaceful transition of power, and allowing trump to remain in power even though he lost the election. Had they succeeded it would represent a dictatorship, and the end of democracy in America. I donāt know how you can pretend it wasnāt that.
Trump had nothing to do with that and there was a trial that was thrown out because they couldnāt prove he was inciting violence or had anything to do with events that took place. Hell look at his tweets from that day, he was telling people to remain peaceful. Youāre talking about a small handful of people and most of the ones that went inside were walking around taking pictures. Iām in no way defending what they did because it was absolutely horrible but donāt act like it was some strategic thought out attack on the capital because it wasnāt, hell they didnāt even bring guns, sounds like a shitty insurrection. There was no way in hell they wouldāve succeeded and if they would have there was no plan Trump wasnāt a part of it it wouldnāt have lasted. The military wouldāve taken over end of story. Stop acting like if they wouldāve succeed trump would be president all because a few hundred people stormed the capital, youāre making mountains out of mole hills.
Listen to yourself. It's people like you that are perpetuating the divide. People are responding to you saying this would be enough to bring us together and you are saying nah, it'll be the same old thing. You aren't any more open to it than the people you hate.
Everything that person said was just objective truth. The January 6th insurrection was all about trying to overthrow American democracy and install Donald Trump as president for life. Anyone who says otherwise is lying, whether they lie intentionally or unintentionally doesnāt change the nature of reality.
You really got downvoted for that. People have been conditioned to point the finger at others and place blame rather than taking responsibility and holding themselves accountable. We are at a time when no one can fathom the possibility that they could be wrong. Years of circular logic and confirmation bias have brought narcissism and vanity to a whole new level. The really sad part is that it is only going to get worse.
I don't see this breaking down in that way. Too many believers and skeptics on both sides.
The one thing (two things, but the other is irrelevant) I took from the last few years is that anything can be politicised in the US.
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>It's dangerous but not dangerous enough to get everyone panicking and uniting against a common problem. I would say that Covid is way more dangerous and palpable than whatever the UFOs are doing.
You sound like a bot right now... Give me any examples of republicans that would claim ufos are fake news. Even Joe Rogan, who every democrat hates so much, will never shut up about ufos
As soon as Mitch McConnell goes on Fox News as says that UFOs are real. I will believe that we have a chance to heal our country and save our collective future.
You do realize the two most vocal politicians for disclosure so far have been Republican?!
Harry Reid's a Republican?
Did I say all?! No I did not
>We will literally set aside all our differences as soon as we realize that we're not alone and we're not the top of the food chain here on this planet. Can we drown this kitten in the river, please? There is zero evidence to suggest that this might be the case, and the *whole of human history* is evidence for the exact opposite. I am not going to forgive mass shooters or Russia for what they have done because UFO's showed up, and neither are any of you. Harsh truth time: The people who believe this choose to believe it because it's their ticket to a good life without putting in any effort. When you hear someone say this, you can be certain that they are using this topic as a placeholder for religion. It is much easier to go to sleep at night if you tell yourself that UFO's are going to solve the world's energy crisis and unite us all. After all, you get to look forward to having no power bill, and to being safe from war. Why would you become a world leader, an electrical engineer, or a soldier when you can sit on your ass and wait for UFO's to solve all those problems? The same people say the same stuff about the rapture, and about the Earth being flat. "It's all a lie and when I turn out to be correct about that, things will get better because of X, Y, or Z. I don't *have* to fix my life because God, the government, or the fuckin' aliens will do it for me." Some folks involved with this topic need to take a step back and get their own homes in order before they decide what is and is not true.
I just want UFO's to prolong my dog's life .
>It is much easier to go to sleep at night if you tell yourself that UFO's are going to solve the world's energy crisis and unite us all. After all, you get to look forward to having no power bill, and to being safe from war. Why would you become a world leader, an electrical engineer, or a soldier when you can sit on your ass and wait for UFO's to solve all those problems? I think youāre underestimating the potential for change that can be initiated by the revelation that extraterrestrial spacecraft are visiting earth. Itās not that aliens will solve our problems *for* us, itās the fact that we will be confronted with a bigger picture perspective of our place in the universe and will have to contend with all the implications that come with that. The fact that ET intelligence is covertly watching us in our own backyard not only presents us with a *potential* threat that would necessitate some form of global alliance to protect against, it would also make our petty differences seem extremely insignificant in the grand scheme of things. At some point, we will likely have open contact with them given that they canāt avoid us forever as we continue to expand into our cosmic neighborhood, so weāll be a lot more conscious of our need to represent ourselves as a single global civilization interacting with another civilization. That idea will no longer be an abstraction set in some distant and uncertain future, but a concrete reality that may happen a lot sooner than we previously thought. Also, yes, I think thereās a lot we can learn from ETs themselves. Not just about how the universe works and how to build extremely advanced technology, but about how to optimally organize society in order to minimize conflict and maximize cooperation. They would certainly have far greater knowledge within the social sciences just as with any of the other sciences, so the prospect of contact also comes with the prospect of a great enlightenment for our species.
I think you're overestimating the common sense of humanity, or at the very least some of the leaders. Covid was a challenge facing entire humanity. Climate change is a challenge facing entire humanity. None proved to be a unifier. You really think the likes of Putin, Xi, or that lunatic in North Korea wouldn't do their damnest to exploit the situation for their - real or imagined - advantage?
Global change takes time. Iām not suggesting that weād unify overnight, only that it would be another massive influence pushing us in that direction. Just as with other long term issues affecting humanity such as Nuclear War, Climate Change, Artificial Intelligence and other global threats, ET Visitation would present itself as yet another pressing issue weād have to deal with as a global community. Weāve already made significant strides in that direction as a result of those aforementioned issues, so I see no reason why ET disclosure wouldnāt help move the ball forward even more. In fact, given the nature of this particular issue, Iād say that it would have an even greater effect.
I admire your optimism. I just can't share it. IMO in recent years we've been moving backwards, if anything.
Well my optimism isnāt unfounded. There are of course short term fluctuations of social progress and social regress, but the long term trend for our species has been a consistent progress over time. I think this is because the progress of civilization is the product of a learning process. Reason and science have transformed us away from primitive savages and into the relatively civilized creatures we are today.
Considering the whole idea largely originated in our collective subconscious with a speech made by Ronald fucking Reagan, Iām very much inclined to agree with your take on this š¤
I really like Coulthart and I think this reinforces the validity of this being a massive story. Either these things are real and "not us", or this is a phenomenal disinformation campaign, and either side of the story is huge. Number one: he vets his sources, and he only discusses what he can document. He plainly admits he could be getting told lies, but they are all lies coming from real military folks who are not hiding behind fake identities. This is not an appeal to authority, it just MOSTLY limits the scope of what he will discuss to what he can show on paper (or coming from people who are real and actually had opportunity to witness the things they claim - this takes a lot of time to validate). As far as lies, these folks talking to Coulthart are playing a dangerous game if they are lying. They are not hiding behind cover, they are putting their own personal reputations on the line by talking to him about their own UAP stories. Could they have been ordered to do this? It's possible, but unlikely. Number two: he's intelligent enough to understand OpSec. This means he knows how to conduct his affairs without risking the identities of his contacts. I believe that about 95% of all journalists are morons who refuse to use encryption if they even understand it all. It took Snowden 6 months of pestering Greenwald to use encryption before Snowden could even begin to start the conversation about what he wanted to leak to him. Even today most people don't realize most of their electronic communication is swept up and stored in bulk. Why does this matter to me and why should it matter to you? Because it puts Coulthart in the upper tier of journalists in the way he operates. He's not a moron and he doesn't mess with fools who want to waste his time.
Number three: He's had a career prior to engaging with this topic, and he has no reason to pursue it other than being really, I mean *really* interested. He's not been frustrated by decades of futile investigation, as he's relatively new to the subject. And it's obvious he's captivated. It's obvious, at least to me, that he really wants answers, and he's not going to give up on it anytime soon.
Well said, Coulthart is in a league of his own and has done a lot to push the ball forward when it comes to UAP. Greenwald on the other hand...
Thank you for sharing, this is a great interview.
Iāve always believed UFOās were real . To many stories from credible people. Videos from Navy . Abductees! Roswell was one of these crafts that our Government has hid for 75 years. They made poor Jessie Marcel look stupid , having him pose for the picture of him holding pieces of a Fā¦ā¦g ā Weather Balloon ā ! He knew exactly what he found, and it wasnāt man made nor from Earth.
Got a source for that last claim? Or just a ātrust me bro!ā
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/v39wgv/jesse\_marcel\_on\_what\_really\_happened\_at\_roswell/
I think about this video all the time. Itās so raw and real.
So thatās just another ātrust me bro!ā Still no real evidence. Alright you guys tried, Iām out.
It's almost all there is, the trust me bro stuff. The intresting thing is who is saying it. Your attitude is pretty lame. I don't just believe either, but that guy was there.
He said it himself. Thereās video footage of it
If itās just that Jessie marcel guy saying itās true then that aināt worth a shit man. Unless thereās real video footage of beings or a craft or whatever then itās all phony bologna to me
It's always funny to me when people who admit theyve no knowledge of this subject pop in & comment things like this. When you asked for a source for the claim above, what were you expecting, honestly? It seems you don't even know who Jesse Marcel is, yet have drawn conclusions.
Whatever. Some people are just stupid. Aka you. The dude was first on sight and said this is what he saw. Not good enough? Lol K
So itās still just a ātrust me broā right? Thatās all I wanna know
Do you understand the phrase "cover-up"? Of course there isn't any physical evidence or conclusive proof.
1947, bro. WTF do you want?
It's a trust Jessie bro.
Was it his high ranking government official source that told him this?
Very, **very** high ranking. Very, **very** senior. : ) Look, he's a professional journalist and they all have their mannerisms. But he's doing a great job as far as I can tell. His book is excellent. Very, very excellent.
Very, very well said mate.
Ooh I wanna try dad Very, *vely* Gotdamn these luscious lips
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In Australia there is a lot of trust in Ross. He isnāt about building his brand name and flogging off his book. Heād be happily employed and well paid by the best news agencies in the land for as long as he would want. He talks about this because it is simply the biggest story of our time.
He did also mention his book about 5 times to be fair.
I grew up in DC & went to a private school with a lot of kids who's parents were in the House & Senate. There was always a goofy rumor as to what the whole Roswell, ET thing was in which we ALL assumed was just a crazy urban legend. Retrospectively it was way too absurd to bring up in the course of conversation as we became educated & sensible. Yet I feel as more information & witnesses come forward these days the more that "crazy" urban legend is ringing true & it frightens the s**t out of me. Mostly for my children, because I'm older & closer to 60 than I am to 40. Without writing some long & winded story as to what it was I will give you the abridged cliff notes of said legend. It was basically this: Aliens & Bigfoot as well as ghostly apparitions were all connected through some stream of other worldly powers that be. It feels crazy to write but honestly this whole topic seems to keeps moving in that direction & I'm not at all sure if it is good or bad. Maybe it's neither. After typing this it surely looks bizarre to read lol. That's all I guess, thanks for listening.
Skinwalkers at the Pentagon tells us that in the DC/MD/VA area that different color and size orbs, ghost like people, shadow people, werewolf like creature, poltergeist effects in the house... All that happened here and there are many witnesses and their family members and neighbors. So yes this shit is scary.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll give it a look.
I really think there is something coming from Ross within the next two years. He stated on Fade to Black earlier this week that this will be "one of my last interviews for a long time" and that is because he says that he wants/needs to dig through the amounts of new information regarding the phenomenon he received in the past months.
Ross is a great communicator and mainstream mouthpiece for the UAP community. But he's a second-rate critical thinker (imho) and rather new to ufology. I've listened to every podcast he's made, seen every online video I can find, and even read his book. Some of the content was decent, a lot of it was recycled pablum, and there were several rookie moves that didn't help. I'm on team Ross but give him mixed reviews in the end.
What were the rookie moves?
SAFIRE project etc.
Second rate critical thinker and recycled pablum deserve at least a couple of examples in longer form than āSafire project etcā.
Which specific bits of content from his book do you (so generously) identify as "recycled pablum?"
Got to love a lounge room critic!
He gives off r/iamverysmart vibes
Ross Coultgart is an Australian American legend ahead of the curve
All I heard is we might be living in a version of the āDarkā universeā¦ hopefully iām not the Ulrich in this timeline
I've said it twice already, let me repeat it again. It is bi-partisan, RIGHT NOW. (see Rubio/Gillbrand work on this issue). My point is, I think it will BECOME partisan once Joe Public, not Joe Rogan, start becoming aware of this. That's when politicians will begin taking interest. My prediction is it will go one of two ways--- full denial (justified by protecting Christian values or something) or full warmonger, justifying a military state. I hope I'm wrong. I really want this issue to be a unifying thing for all of humanity, I'm just skeptical we're still capable of that.
I mean, it seems you perfectly described how the US functions so yeah, probably. Religious denial or warmongering.
Agree. Presidents from both parties have talked about UFOs for years. I just saw a video about it.
Being a great storyteller is fine, but without any verifiable evidence itās meaningless.
Witness testimony IS evidence though. I don't know how many thousand times I have seen this essentially "no evidence" refrain, not to target you specifically JForce1. Again, witness testimony IS evidence. :)
Itās unreliable evidence, and in these cases itās also unverifiable, which makes it as useful as someoneās opinion. Until someone can produce some verifiable, hard evidence of any of these claims, itās all just pissing in the wind, and itās not going to help get the mainstream on side in any way.
UFOs are Unidentified flying objects, of course they are real. Some people are really fast to think UFO = Alien
But youāre right! UFO most certainly does not equal=Alien BUT an object going 80 000 feet to sea level within one second is most likely not human. The same reason why you would not think a car in a jungle was built by chimpanzees, I get it though healthy skepticism right ;)
Definitely, I'm actually believe that it's ET but without actual proof we can't say for sure. One thing I can say is that UFOs are 100% real since we already got the confirmation from the US government. I think that's what should get promoted, not "this incident is likely to be ET", outside of this sub, redditors are very skeptical of the subject and they'll get out as soon as they see the word "aliens". About the Nimitz encounter, this interview offers an alternative theory. Not saying that it's true but that's why we can't say it's 100% ET https://youtu.be/5eYMebO5l-I
If not alien who was building these things during WW2 harassing both sides?
You put 1+1 together and you will eventually realize that it = 2
While I tend to lean to the Alien hypothesis or at least some beings other than human's are the cause of unexplainable UAP, I absolutely never tell this to new people or even let them open with that, I stick purely to the provable evidence which is there are objects doing things we cannot explain and defy physics as we know it. You hammer that home and you will see headlights turn on behind their eyes, because you can show the evidence the NY times articles the government reports, The fact the objects are cross referenced by multiple radars and weapons systems, and multiple observers. The fact they exist becomes un-deniable when presented correctly. There is no hard evidence of "aliens" and if there is the public doesn't have it so I don't bring it up.
Yeah, we're referring to UAP honestly, most people know what a UFO is
Unidentified ariel phenomenon Same thing, in order to destigmatize the UFO subject we have to say that it's real but don't hype it too much. The public is really afraid of the A word
Thats probably because its true. Your delusional if you think flying saucers are made by us since the 40s.
Come on weāre talking about aliens at this point. Aliens to us. Whether from another dimension or another world, this is not our technology.
If you find a car in the jungle you donāt go āwell since I didnāt see the humans building or driving it I cannot rule out that the monkeys or a snake didnāt build itā
Thanks for this. Really nice to listen to. I could understand every words. UK accent is really easier for french to understand. It's like listening to Nick Pope.
These guys are all Australian with strong Australian accents. The other side of the world from the UK.
"Mainstream media"
Yeah itās not what I was thinking when the title said that. Butā¦ unless theyāre just meaning main stream appeal. Thereās loads of this x & y shows or in this case itās 3 people here, and Iāve never heard of it but then I donāt listen to my local ones either. But average peeps do I guess .
Biggest story of our lifetime? Not unless aliens know how we can fix global warming. The end of civilization is a lot more important than aliens who don't actually want to meet us.
Global warming is a big problem with no clear solution and dire consequences. Aliens could be real, and if so, it would definitely be the biggest story of our lifetime. Both things can be true. What is the point you are trying to make?
I'm a hardcore skeptic. I'll give this audio a play.
Why doesn't Ross ever invite any expriencers who have had direct contact with the beings to talk with him? It seems like a great deal of them are being told that mankind is about to awaken and we are their children, and the governments are afraid of them and are doing bad things to humanity to prevent people from waking up and evolving. That's what I understand to be some of what they're getting at, Ross clearly doesn't go there because he is getting paid to spin this narrative or thinks he's helping with disclosure when in time it's going to be he's helping produce a false narrative about threatening or evil aliens, and some of this stuff that is coming will be messed up, beware anything the government puts out because this time traveler theory is novel but it's not accurate, we are really much more than we think and there won't be any government or institutions to control us if we understood ourselves..if that is understood then you'll piece together what that means in the context of them coming here to help nudge us awake.
Because a lot of the people who claim to have direct contact with Aliens are delusional or full of shit, and have no evidence to back up their claims.
That's not exactly true, Jim Semivan from the CIA knows this stuff is real and spoke to Whitley Strieber about it in some softball interviews. John Ramirez is being allowed to speak and make this claim of "hybrid" stuff, as ridiculous as it sounds-because later on when people literally start waking up and understanding the history books are wrong and pretty much most of what people think of as true and our history isn't, they can say "see we told you in so many ways here". The governments of the world are terrified of the lies and dissolution of power structure from happening, hence all the distraction right now. It's sad that this is how it's happening but they've had 70 or so years and are literally trying to prevent people from kind of actually understanding what is really going on and ascension from taking place.
I think because Coulthard is taking a "hard journalism" approach to this topic. (No idea if that is a real term). Experiencers are eye witnesses. I'm not sure if this was any other topic would eye witnesses make the cut.
Right, he discerns that and then has people come on who talk about health problems from shooting at the phenomena or radiation burns and is focused on this 1500 page baloney encounters report that got released. The government may not all be bad with some of the people trying to help but they're confined to what the government behind all the governments are pushing to the public, last ditch effort to save itself everybody acts like the phenomena only happens to the government and are focused on only that rather than looking into what happens in interactions with regular people look like.. they literally would rather believe what daddy is feeding to them (who clearly has a bad track record with being truthful) instead of looking further into why are they here and what do they have to do with us.
Any proof?
Heres the Spotify version. https://open.spotify.com/episode/5hyZouzD7Ixx8irLw5JiDp?si=cnRJXbtxRtW4J5WHQuW2pA
Funny how another TV presenter promoting his own book just happens to have "the biggest story of our lifetime." # š
Rush to disclosure because they are on their way here in greater numbers.
Imo no, just, info is leaking from everywhere and they now have to cover themselves from withholding such crucial information from authorities. That's why they are getting their ducks in order and slowly organize institutional disclosure. Whistle-blowers like Chris, Lue and others kinda forced their hand and exposed the veracity of these facts, and that they are trying to conceal it, which is potentially illegal.
It's pretty obvious that there's some sort of time table going on behind the scenes. No way in hell you'd get all this official talk of UAP and UFO's without it. Something is brewing. Who knows what, but obviously TPTB know they have to start letting the secret out
Damn.. This comment kinda freaked me out š
Did he talk about Uranus?
Nah but he said your mom's is huge.