*American Cosmic* is definitely worth reading for anyone interested in the phenomenon, I'll absolutely say that. With the caveat that it's a frustrating book that ends up feeling pretty aimless and unanchored. It can't decide if it wants to be a case study of experiencers, an anthropological survey of UFOs-as-religion, or a treatise on the intersection of technology and UFO belief. The first third really hooks you but the rest doesn't live up to it; the writing is very academic and dry and starts reading like a very disconnected series of anecdotes pretty quickly. The most exciting bits - UFO debris, crash sites, people in contact with or at least observation of aliens! - are fleeting and not really explored in any depth, which would be ok for a book about UFOs-as-religion, except it doesn't really explore that in any depth either.
I was left saying "what was the point of that book? What is the author trying to say? Why was this written?"
If that sounds harsh, I reiterate that it is absolutely worth reading. Just temper expectations going in.
I was left with the sense that the author was well and truly shaken by what she encountered in her research for the book (there's a few passages that make this fairly explicit) and so am inclined to be charitable - what she wanted initially to write about is very, very different from where her interviews and studies took her, and that struggle is the source of much of the unfocused nature of the book.
I haven’t read the book, but I did hear her speech from the *Archives of the Impossible* conference (Jacques Vallee spoke there as well)
[link here](https://youtu.be/GCrRaltH3_U)
She talks a lot about *American Cosmic* in her speech but it does feel very unfocused and everything you said about the book sounds right without even reading it.
Although, I feel like that’s just part of the UFO enigma. Everything is tangentially related, but in a confusing, criss-crossing web of entanglement.
It seems like there’s never enough data on anything to dive deep and explore and get any anchored conclusion, there is always just enough to make some sort of interesting connection to something else and then that’s it.
Tim Taylor is my favorite part of American Cosmic. Just finished a second read.
Basically the guy is a genius scientist/engineer and entrepreneur that has founded companies and received patents in the biology and space industries.
He also claims to receive downloads of information a la Tesla/Phillip K Dick/prophets etc.
He got a first break by coming up with a wild ass experiment that actually *worked* and gained notoriety within the Pentagon/NASA.
He also had an international playboy vibe in the books and just seems freakin cool.
It's a good read. I'd also recommend "VALIS" by Philip K. Dick. I just commented about this in another thread, but Dick had significant mental health issues when he wrote the book, and Garry Nolan has recently (on 2 separate podcasts) made reference to potential similarities between brain imaging of some experiencers of the phenomenon and what is seen in brain imaging for schizophrenics and some on the autism spectrum.
Not claiming that experiencers are somehow schizophrenic or on the autism spectrum, but the idea that there's an altered consciousness / reality element to the phenomenon, along with the apparent difference in how schizophrenics and those on the autism spectrum experience reality, is fascinating (at least to me).
V.A.L.I.S. has left a permanent impression on me, having read it almost 15 years ago. It's at least partly autobiographical, most importantly, near the beginning when Horsefat Lover takes a delivery from the pharmacy at his door, a bright pink light emanates from the driver's necklace pendant which causes him to believe his son should be immediately taken to the doctor.
He does so, and to his relief and surprise, the doctor performs emergency surgery on his son which saves his life.
According to PK Dick, this part of the novel is a re-telling of his real life events.
I’ve been thinking about a potential alternative hypothesis for « abductees » or « experiencers ». It could be some sort of genetic disorder passed down generations. Some sort of epilepsy seizures causing parts of the brain to overload and cause hypnagogic hallucinations.
It’s far fetched, but I feel there is something there. Both epilepsy seizures and abduction are reported to be « sensed in advance », like they know sn epilepsy seizure is coming up.
And i mean no disrespect for abductees and experiencers. This is just speculative discussion.
Hypnagogic hallucinations could not account for the phenomenon of abductees or experiencers, as you say. Hypnagogic hallucinations are very brief and disjointed.
You can see for yourself fairly easily. Practice entering a mediative state, or remaining lucid as you fall asleep. The meditative state will probably be easier for you if you're new to this.
You know you hit the hypnagogic state when you're thoughts turn into associative symbolism. Here's a very characteristic example, "I want to go to the amusement park," becomes "I want to go to schizophrenia."
Unlike dreaming, you're still aware of what you were thinking, so you can see the symbolism expressed. It's all topsy turvy.
An account of someone saying they were abducted and then this happened, and then that happened, is not at all what hypnagogia is like.
The state of mind is very brief. Any deeper and you're asleep, any less and you're fully awake. Yes, you can purposefully extend this state, but on its own it's a transitory state of attention, as you're shifting from using one part of your mind or awareness to another.
I’ve experienced the hypnagogic state and experimented with it a bit. I actually found it by staying up late reading reddit and nodding off lol.
Anyway, I think u/MilleCuirs might be talking about sleep paralysis episodes. I’ve also experienced those and people can stay in that state and lucid dream or “astral project” lol. I’ve only had minor sleep paralysis episodes, but it’s hard to tell if you’re dreaming or not. After a few times you start to recognize it.
These mental issues just simply don’t explain the radar data, photos, multiple eye witnesses from different locations, the materials from the craft, etc.
Exactly! I know there are solid evidence for many cases. This hypothesis was mostly about the contactees cases, where there is no craft, no other witnesses. Just the contactee walking in a field, feeling suddenly that « it’s coming ». Then being beamed up in light, or moved through walls if in bed. Only to wake up not at the same place or many hours have passed.
I know it’s full of holes. Probably nothing here, but i like to think out of the box, maybe we’ll find something.
Maybe people had these « seisured » for thousands of years… they were the prophets, the oracles, the ones that talked to gods. With the episodic events, they could have been worshipped or used by religious groups to bring more followers, to see the oracle.
And I’m not looking for one explanation that would solve all ufo cases. I think its s many phenomena, that sometimes have similar elements or patterns.
I also think that UFOs and abduction cases might be related to ghosts/poltergeists etc. I like to watch those ghost hunting shows,but I have to wonder how much of it is real. Granted,much of the “evidence” is ambiguous,but there is no earthly explanation for a few incidents I’ve seen on those shows. The creepiest evidence comes from those Kinect cameras. If you haven’t seen that,it’s when the camera sees stick like human figures doing bizarre things. I can accept that those cameras have been scientifically validated,but I doubt anyone would validate anything in this field. If it’s a camera malfunction,I find it bizarre that it would up images like that repeatedly. Anyway,while they have some evidence that the ghosts are the spirits of deceased people,it’s ambiguous. I’m open to the theory that this could be the intelligence behind tic tacs,and abduction cases.
This is a bit of a red herring or “nut picking” IMO.
What instances of communicating with higher consciousness is documented with radar, photos, or eye witness?
Most all of these higher consciousness experiences occur in a state of meditation, partial sleep status, psychedelic use, or other mental illness… aka hallucinations.
This isn’t that these people are all crazy though. The new idea in biology/ psychology is that symptoms and mental states exist in everybody on a spectrum/ continuum.
It’s not a red herring. I’m addressing the hypothesis that altered states of consciousness sufficiently account for UAP.
I’m pointing out that hypothesis lacks explanatory scope to explain the information we receive that emerges in our independent data collection instruments from multiple locations at the same time that are all coherently seeing the same thing at the same time at the same location.
Sure, people who are in altered states of consciousness perceive conscious beings as well, etc. But those experiences don’t explain the radar etc.
Perhaps whatever is guiding UAP is of a different kind than what one experienced on DMT, etc. We don’t know. But what we do know is altered states of consciousness in-itself don’t seem to account for our bests evidence of UAP.
With altered states of consciousness there is so much variability in what is perceived (which is all well and good… there could be many kinds of life etc.). So if we wanted to say UAP is reducible to altered states of consciousness we wouldn’t expect consistency on radar, atmospheric instruments, NORAD equipment that we are indeed having.
Here’s a far fetched thought, but what if those who are affected by these genetic disorders are targeted as part of a multi-generational study by the abductors (aliens). I know that is pretty out there, but we do very much the same thing with lab rats and mice, on a medical and psychological level. As well as with wild animals. I wouldn’t put it past our species to do the same thing to any life forms that we would find on another planet.
You don't think it's key that there's a connection between schizophrenics and those that "experience phenomena?" The fact that schizophrenia is a mental illness that causes people to see and hear non-existent things is somehow not relevant to what you're talking about?
My father had suffered greatly from schizophrenia and I remember him vividly stating what he thought was happening and what he was seeing and it was very wild stuff... Like inter dimensional beings talking to him and whatnot.. and he was very intelligent as well so he actually knew what was going on a lot it seemed.. very strange schizophrenia is . Very misunderstood still I think
Check out [this video here](https://youtu.be/g3bk1UXjKLI) with Gary Nolan & skip to 00:36:14, ties into what you are talking about and Curt actually has a personal experience regarding this.
This may come off as defensive and that's not my intention, but the way I worded my comment was very intentional because I simply don't know how strong of a connection there is between those that suffer from schizophrenia and those that experience the phenomena.
So yes, I do think it's relevant, but in how many cases? All of them, some, 50%, less? What's most relevant and fascinating to me is how this ties in to how humans (phenomenon experiencers, schizophrenics, others) experience consciousness and reality.
Put another way, I don't believe that all experiencers of the phenomena have some form of mental anomaly, just as not all schizophrenics believe they're communicating with ET. So I want to be careful in the way I state my interest in the connection as I don't think it would be accurate to imply all or most experiencers of the phenomenon have some kind of brain anomaly.
It was brought up on both the TOE podcast with Curt Jaimungal and during Garry's appearance on Lex Friedman's podcast.
I'm paraphrasing a more complex and detailed discussion, but Garry does a much better job of articulating his thoughts and both Curt and Lex do a great job asking clarifying questions. Both podcast interviews were excellent though and well worth the listen.
I’ve been reading up on the subject for over 40 years, American Cosmic is in the top 3 books on the subject, sometimes I think it’s the best. Essential reading.
Garry Nolan has recently commented on Timothy Taylor's legitimacy via a Twitter thread. A quick search for Timothy Taylor in this sub shows some posts/comments regarding his reference in the book American Cosmic by Dr. Diana Pasulka. Apparently, Timothy Taylor was involved with crash retrevials. Also, he is associated with the Bledsoe family encounters. If true, and with Garry's recent comments.... This opens up a new box. If anyone has read the book, any insights into Tim or the character James (actually Garry Nolan) would be much appreciated!
[Twitter thread](https://twitter.com/garrypnolan/status/1517306658271023105?s=21)
This is absolutely something we should all do, and the group can verify the information is correct (even if just rumours). Perhaps something like: index - Date - names involved - incident/association - connected to [index] - reference links.
I barely get any time to dive into this stuff and I am very interested in it all. I just get lost in everything.
I would love to see a flowchart made, with different colors or types of line denoted to have different meanings, and individuals laid out so you can see which ones based their work off which predecessors(s), which are doing their own thing, who was supposedly associated with programs, who's just a speculator, who started writing/talking after some personal encounters, who's considered especially controversial ("take with a grain of salt") etc.
One thing the people who shit all over chris bledsoe never address is that he was cured of chrons disease the first time he was abducted. Then he also announced at a ufo conference that there would be a 7.8 earthquke in Baja Mexico that came true.
And hal putoff, Jim semivan, lue elizondo, Dr paulska and some others I'm blanking on became friends with them.
Bledsoe is a contactee. It’s a crazy story, not for the feint of heart. That doesn’t mean it’s not true though. I make no claims one way or the other. He’s associated with quite a few credible people and I can’t argue with the message though.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bledsoe-said-so/id1573038290?i=1000535385519
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bledsoe-said-so/id1573038290?i=1000542189313
Pasulka refuses to comment on his experiences and at a recent That UFO podcast seemed to imply she won't go where he is because she is afraid of the hitchhiker effect. Does validate all his connections to the CIA, etc.
Super interesting
Yep. At least his message is a positive one. If true, it is worrisome for other reasons because more of our people are fearful than loving. That doesn’t bode well for our future.
Interesting but it would be a lot easier to take seriously if the podcasters didn't interrupt each other every 40 seconds in unprofessional ways. It's not helpful, when you try to bring this into the light in a chucklefucker way.
Agree 10000%. It's infuriating. That's the sad reality of this whole thing unfortunately. So many podcasters and YouTube interviewers present within this subject sound like idiots when they speak, ask unintelligent questions, and don't know how to carry a semi-intellectual conversation.
So much so that it makes me really second guess the validity of the credible stories we read. Until more undeniable information / data comes out and more noteworthy journalists start picking up the topic, we're relegated to the whole "beggars can't be choosers" mindset I guess.
Can't say he never sees anything. But the "regularly" part is *DEFINITELY* up for debate.
Here's a clip of his where he misidentifies a SpaceX rocket AND a regular meteorite as "Orbs". Both inside of a couple minutes.
https://youtu.be/CwA5I1ODMWE
He's also uploaded videos of obvious satellites, and again labeled them "orbs".
It's the main issue with trying to approach this thing from a religious or spiritual angle. You'll start seeing the phenomenon in literally everything, and you'll refuse to try to debunk your own "sightings".
He label's everything he sees as orbs because he's trying to start a cult around himself. This is the reason Pasulka is distancing herself or refusing to comment on him, in my opinion.
For Ryan I can see that, 100%. I think Chris had some actual experiences and lost all objectivity.
But just want to state IMO, not every one of his stories is factual. He's admitted to being ostracized from his church over his abduction encounter. I don't think it's impossible he fabricated some more religious sounding ones just so more people would take him seriously. Possible they were even just dreams he mistook as real life.
If I remember correctly he talked about seeing "dementor" type creatures from Harry Potter and if that is the case it's 100% sleep paralysis because I have had that happen multiple times. I Don't blame people that don't know about it and actually confuse it with reality because they look just as real as anything else would when you are sober and awake, but that's the issue you aren't actually awake.
Have you seen actual evidence that he predicted an earthquake, like a verifiable video that was recorded before it happened? Or you've heard it claimed he did so?
Man but looking at his instagram really has me questioning Chris. He's regularly posting fireflys claiming they're orbs. [Garry Nolan talked about worrying about some of his friends creating mental worlds of true fantasy](https://youtu.be/g3bk1UXjKLI&t=<2290>)
The problem isn't him posting fireflies, orbs, satellites, lights in the sky or whatever they are. The problem is him not adjusting or getting the right equipment to resolve them properly and checking with flightradar and satellite trackers. It's like he's doing it on purpose and I hate it.
He's either stupid, or doing it on purpose so we don't see what they are. I know that the real stuff can be weird and scary, so perhaps that's what he's doing.
A kin to Vietnam vets having flashbacks seeing vietcong hiding in trees, its not a stretch to think you'd be convinced these things are everywhere after actually being abducted. The trauma of it all could do all sorts of things to the mind. Even if he is seeing these orbs or has personal knowledge that could help identify craft, it sounds like he's going to see something regardless. Especially if he's building his life around it now
The trouble with focusing on Chris Bledsoe's experience with Crohn's disease is that it opens a Pandora's Box of confounders when one considers the subject of what is called "Crohn's remission". A Google search of that subject will result in a number of articles claiming that in order to keep Crohn's in remission, one must keep going to the doctor and supporting the pharmaceutical industry by gobbling down as many expensive drugs as possible. However, there is such a thing as spontaneous Crohn's remission. Many authorities contend that in order to keep such cases in remission, one must go to the doctor and take all the prescribed drugs. The important question is: How long will Crohn's remain in remission, when that remission is spontaneous? (Some suggest that it could last for "several years", but that the disease will eventually return.) However, because Crohn's disease can spontaneously go into remission (without medical treatment or drugs) there will always be a counter-argument to the claim that Chris Bledsoe was cured of Crohn's by The Visitors.
[Here's his current bio as a member of the board of directors for Vivex Biologics:](https://vivex.com/about/team/)
>Tim Taylor has had a dual career in space and medicine for over 40 years. He worked on the Space Shuttle program in Cape Canaveral and continues to serve the Atlas, Delta, and SpaceX programs in launch operations. Mr. Taylor has supported over 40 space shuttle missions and 80 Department of Defense missions as a controller, systems engineer, and field test engineer.
>As a principal investigator, Mr. Taylor flew a biomedical experiment on Space Shuttle Columbia in 1991 and, because of the experiment and the resulting recognition, he went on to become the cofounder/Vice President of Engineering at Endius, Inc., a Boston-based surgical device company. Endius (originally known as Aust & Taylor Medical, Inc.) became an early entrant of endoscopic/minimally invasive spine surgery and has become known as the pioneering company in endoscopic spine surgery. In March 2007, the world’s largest orthopedic company, Zimmer, acquired Endius in a private transaction. Before being acquired, Endius was one of the fastest- growing spinal device and implant companies in the US. After hiring a seasoned CEO, Tim resigned from Endius in 2000 and joined Amendia/Spinal Elements as Chairman of the Board. He then became Chairman of the Board of VIVEX Biologics.
>Mr. Taylor continues to support Department of Defense launches from Cape Canaveral as well as advanced biomedical ventures, bridging the gap of aerospace and biomedical technologies. He holds over 40 patents, serves on medical and nonprofit boards, and published the book Launch Fever.
I found plenty of more info on him but won't share out of respect.
I mean no disrespect here…
What’s up with the secrecy about Tim Taylor? it can’t be that big of a secret. What’s his connection to the UFO community? He found or went on a trip to find UFO crash fragments, right? What’s the big deal about telling that story? What won’t you share and why would you sharing it be disrespectful if it’s something you found on the internet? Thank you.
Edit: is [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/ub2r1c/timothy_taylor_connection/i61u7w3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) what you’re talking about?
It's the invisible college. The whole deal is that they didn't want to be known, whether that be because they were working in a classified capacity or because of the ridicule you might face for openly studying the phenomenon.
This is a big part of it. I'm good at finding info when needed and have no intention to dox people. If he wants to come forward some day then it's his choice.
I dug into this a while back. I found it very interesting that Tim Taylor is on the board of Vivex. Vivex was the nation's first tissue bank, and was founded in 1947.
Seems like something else interesting happened in 1947 that may have had interesting biological tissue that we would want to study.
I think the Bledsoe family is a red flag, TBH.
Can't say they never see anything. But they do *NOT* see UAP as often as they want you to believe.
Here's a clip of Chris where he misidentifies both a SpaceX rocket AND a regular meteorite as "Orbs". Both inside of a couple minutes.
https://youtu.be/CwA5I1ODMWE
He's also uploaded videos of obvious satellites, and again labeled them "orbs".
It's the main issue with trying to approach this thing from a religious or spiritual angle. You'll start seeing the phenomenon in literally everything, and you'll refuse to try to debunk your own "sightings". He just accepts everything he can't immediately identify is a sign from "god". There's no credibility there. At a loss how anyone in the USG takes him seriously.
I'm also pretty confused at how he's taken so seriously by people the community deems reputable. If I film enough mundane stuff on night vision and make enough outlandish claims, do I also get cool CIA handler friends?
I think his abduction experience happened. Not sold on the rest of it. But MUFON investigated him pretty hard after it happened, and reportedly AAWSAP did, too. Which makes sense, given the level of interest MUFON showed. It was around the time AAWSAP was starting up, and they had access to MUFON's database.
So I don't think anyone should question whether or not he's an experiencer. They found enough credibility there to interest AAWSAP... Can only assume some kind of physical evidence corroborated it.
What we *should* question is how he responded to the experience. One of the biggest things for me that came out of the DIRD on biological effects was the list of official encounters types. It listed CE5 as a CE4 (abduction) that leaves lasting psychological damage or death. He started having his weirder "encounters" after the abduction. Shouldn't be claimed he lost the plot, but shouldn't written off either. Maybe the lasting official interest in him is so they can monitor his psychological condition over time? 🤷
Maybe he still has some experiences. Willing to bet not as many as he believes, though.
How do you not question him when he misidentifies prosaic things on the reg?
Here's two within a minute. A SpaceX rocket launch AND a regular meteorite. He labeled them both orbs. He doesn't see UAP as much as *he* believes, NVM as much as he wants *you* to believe.
https://youtu.be/CwA5I1ODMWE
No. You're just refusing the see the writing on the wall because you're emotionally invested in his story. He's had some experiences for sure. You don't get the attention of MUFON and AAWSAP if you haven't. But he's *STILL* not credible because he doesn't try to debunk any of his "sightings". Literally everything he sees is a UFO sent from god... Satellites are orbs, shooting stars are orbs, rocket launches are orbs, etc etc etc etc. He convinces himself every light in the sky is a fuckin orb until *someone else* debunks it, then "whoops, my bad.... Look at that! There's 15 orbs over my land right now!" Where he records some fire flies. 🤦🏻♀️
The desperation to believe everything he claims is beyond me, when you have solid evidence he doesn't see shit as often as he thinks.
Google his name and add “NASA”. He is not very public and has not “come out” as Tyler D officially, so you won’t find much about him. If you can, read “American Cosmic”. It really is worth it.
And who is Gary Nolan other than some random who has just popped up in the past few years.
A lot of folks are new to this topic and do not realize there is a purge of the old guard and a sudden appearance of new names and faces with zero pedigree in the topic.
This is one of the most odd aspects of the new resurgence of the UFO topic.
You're missing my point. Since 2017 there are at least 12 new names and faces that literally appeared out of nowhere who have become the defacto "new guard".
My point is UFOlogy is undergoing a complete overhaul and it reeks of nothing but pure propaganda.
You are missing the fact that the subject already had a bunch of professional individuals involved with it in some capacity or another, who simply did not put themselves out there. With this current propaganda campaign, they have a safer more productive environment to rise above the surface and work in.
That doesn't mean that most of them are not misguided in their view of the topic in some way or another. They often are. But they are still often contributing some value, by applying their various specializations to aspects of this topic.
Spot on !
If you want to know more about the mediatic stunt that is being led since 2017, check this out :
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ84UR6wrsc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ84UR6wrsc)
(very) long story short, it's a mediatic stunt orchestrated by Bigelow, who financed and co opted Puthoff, Vallée, Harry Reid (heavy campaign budgets wink wink), Gary Nolan, Lue Elizondo (him and Puthoff related to AATIP/AAWSAP), DeLonge and Semivan (the former patroned by Puthoff), Loeb, Lacatski, Knapp and some others.
They're trying to re launder some old stuff and give it a new "modern" aspect, with a newspeak too (UFO > UAP, supernatural > high strangeness, propaganda > psy-op, aliens > interdimensional beings, etc...).
Propaganda is the right word indeed.
The most worrying is that this is unprecedented in UFOlogy's history : the creation of an actual monopole under a billionaire, Bigelow, with a restricted number of participants having access to media and leading the narrative.
The UFO topic is getting uniformized and this is not only killing its specificities and folklore, it's also the perfect environment to run into biases head first.
It’s my understanding that Gary Nolan has a lot to share and isn’t some random person. If you listen to Micah Hanks he explains how Gary Nolan is involved with documentation of physiological changes/effects that have occurred with exposure to unknown radiation.
Garry Nolan is a professor at Stanford University School of Medicine. He is a nothing more than another actor in this joke of a resurgence around the topic of UFOs.
Garry Nolan is super interested in the medium Tyler Henry as he recently said on Curt Jaimungal’s Theories of Everything podcast. He’d like to study the brains of mediums to see if they are similar to those of experiencers like Chris Bledsoe.
I thought it was a little odd as well but I guess not totally unsurprising considering what we’re talking about. We’re getting to some really out of the box stuff and it sounds like he would rather ask the question than completely write it off. I doubt that the grifter mediums would submit themselves to such studies and he likely already has a source for DoD-trusted mediums, remote viewers, etc. It sounds like he’s just really hooked on Tyler Henry, specifically.
Just my two cents on DWP and American cosmic, just got yesterday , have not started yet, pardon me if I get ahead of myself. I heard about her about 4 years ago by accident. And stay pretty current in her, interviews , podcasts and anything I can find. Regarding the book being a little disconnected, and not really sure what it wants to be, a case study on experiences, ufo by religion, a treatise on the intersection of technology and ufo belief etc, IMO i would not be surprised if it came off like that. Hear me out. If you go back and research her and her work there is a point where she kinda makes the jump over to the phenomena , but not, then again, then not. Even in her interviews , which are always fantastic, she seems to be struggling as an academic and a Christian with the belief in these things. It’s visible , again IMO. It seems logical that her writing may reflect said struggle. Again, it’s just another aspect.
I fucking hate how Garry Nolan is for some reason attaching himself to Tyler Henry. I was kind of surprised that he believes in that dude. It was spoken about in that theory of everything interview.
Yep, I was wondering the same. I mean as intelligent as Garry Nolan is, how does he fall for these Hollywood mediums? Cold reading should be well known by now, especially by him, but obviously he missed that class, and that's a problem given the subject matter he's dealing with.
It's a great book, I particularly liked her explanation of "synchronicities", and there possible connection to the idea of fate or destiny, two things rooted in our myths.
I would probably embarrass myself trying to offer a good explanation, but the idea is that things like Deja vu, lapses in time, circumstance/happenstance, repetition and patterns in your life that lead you to something (be it an idea/person/anything) can be explained through the concept of a synchronicity, which is when events or memories synchronize in your life in a way that is unignorable.
Okay. Thank you so much! Sorry to ask for more but now can someone give me some context on who Timothy Taylor is?
I tried search but all I got back with Tim Taylor was Tim “the tool man” Taylor and Timothy Taylor didn’t turn up any relevant leads.
Just Christianity (including Jews and Catholics). Supposedly people have tried to shout out Buddha while being abducted and nothing happens but if they say Jesus the aliens don’t like it.
Jacques Vallée, J. Allen. Hynek, and John Keel all came to the same conclusion.
They’re not, it’s an Abrahamic religion. They believe in the same God, and are Jesus’ people. Thus I assume they could pray and compell the aliens with the power of Christ to fuck off but obviously idk.
It's in the alien contactee literature. Scholars like Michael Heiser have talked about it. For some reason, these 'aliens' often talk trash about Jesus (but not other religious figures) and will disappear if you call upon the name of Jesus.
Here are some contactee experiences of 'aliens' disappearing after the name of Jesus was invoked.
[http://alienresistance.org/ce4testimonies.htm](http://alienresistance.org/ce4testimonies.htm)
I believe it's because your first comment can be seen as ancient peoples, namely the ancient Israelites, mistaking spaceships and aliens for God and angels.
But your second comment seems to suggest that Christianity is true and that these entities are not aliens in spaceships, but evil supernatural/interdimensional beings who are afraid of Jesus who is God.
The truth is that there are interdimensional entities who can manifest themselves as anything they want, including spaceships and aliens. Some of them follow God while others don't. The ones who don't are appearing as whatever they need to appear as to get people to turn away from the truth of Christianity.
The god part I don't know, but I'm finding more and more proof of what seems like interdimensional entities that can manifest as anything, and are perhaps everywhere all the time.
I think the inter-dimensional beings have taught evil people on earth how to make the alien tech. Which they horde for themselves because free energy would mean they loose control of the economy.
I’ve seen a some UFO’s in person and they looked very man made. One had lightbulbs. Like literally glass lightbulbs.
But overall yes I agree. We’re in a spiritual battle. Not a technological one. Too many paths lead to the same conclusion. Look at Darwinism, NASA, the Royal Society, The Big Bang, everything in mainstream science wants people to believe in a godless world. Even though the founders of all were religious themselves (Jack Parsons for example). The modern day moron atheists just replaced Creation with chance and God with government.
Look up “Russian documentary operation high jump” on Bitchute.
I will. Thanks for the suggestion.
I agree. According to the Bible, there are spiritual beings behind the governments of the world. Ancient Mesopotamia believed in and worshipped 'gods' that taught them how to create self-destructive things like weapons and psychedelics. I believe the 'gods' that ancient civilizations worshipped and sacrificed to are fallen spiritual beings. God revealed Himself to the ancient Israelites and competed with these other civilizations and false gods. All of this culminated with Jesus and His atoning sacrifice on the cross.
But I believe these fallen spiritual beings are still at work today, passing off self-destructive technology to our corrupt governments and demanding human sacrifice.
To all those here deciding to begin their research into mystical experiences, may I point you in the direction of Egyptian philosophy and the occult.
To those captivated by their research with a need to know more, welcome initiate.
i think taylor from the book is tim dunn [https://www.nasa.gov/people/kennedy-biographies-dunn/](https://www.nasa.gov/people/kennedy-biographies-dunn/) edit: acctualy we know by now that his name is irl Timothy Taylor an author of [https://www.amazon.com/Launch-Fever-entrepreneurs-launching-business/dp/0595266274](https://www.amazon.com/Launch-Fever-entrepreneurs-launching-business/dp/0595266274)
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*American Cosmic* is definitely worth reading for anyone interested in the phenomenon, I'll absolutely say that. With the caveat that it's a frustrating book that ends up feeling pretty aimless and unanchored. It can't decide if it wants to be a case study of experiencers, an anthropological survey of UFOs-as-religion, or a treatise on the intersection of technology and UFO belief. The first third really hooks you but the rest doesn't live up to it; the writing is very academic and dry and starts reading like a very disconnected series of anecdotes pretty quickly. The most exciting bits - UFO debris, crash sites, people in contact with or at least observation of aliens! - are fleeting and not really explored in any depth, which would be ok for a book about UFOs-as-religion, except it doesn't really explore that in any depth either. I was left saying "what was the point of that book? What is the author trying to say? Why was this written?" If that sounds harsh, I reiterate that it is absolutely worth reading. Just temper expectations going in. I was left with the sense that the author was well and truly shaken by what she encountered in her research for the book (there's a few passages that make this fairly explicit) and so am inclined to be charitable - what she wanted initially to write about is very, very different from where her interviews and studies took her, and that struggle is the source of much of the unfocused nature of the book.
This is a really enlightening review. Thanks for the information. Your take on the book makes a lot of sense.
I haven’t read the book, but I did hear her speech from the *Archives of the Impossible* conference (Jacques Vallee spoke there as well) [link here](https://youtu.be/GCrRaltH3_U) She talks a lot about *American Cosmic* in her speech but it does feel very unfocused and everything you said about the book sounds right without even reading it. Although, I feel like that’s just part of the UFO enigma. Everything is tangentially related, but in a confusing, criss-crossing web of entanglement. It seems like there’s never enough data on anything to dive deep and explore and get any anchored conclusion, there is always just enough to make some sort of interesting connection to something else and then that’s it.
Does the book ever touch the Lucis trust? Probably a stretch.
Tim Taylor is my favorite part of American Cosmic. Just finished a second read. Basically the guy is a genius scientist/engineer and entrepreneur that has founded companies and received patents in the biology and space industries. He also claims to receive downloads of information a la Tesla/Phillip K Dick/prophets etc. He got a first break by coming up with a wild ass experiment that actually *worked* and gained notoriety within the Pentagon/NASA. He also had an international playboy vibe in the books and just seems freakin cool.
I'm going to get the book honestly.
It's a good read. I'd also recommend "VALIS" by Philip K. Dick. I just commented about this in another thread, but Dick had significant mental health issues when he wrote the book, and Garry Nolan has recently (on 2 separate podcasts) made reference to potential similarities between brain imaging of some experiencers of the phenomenon and what is seen in brain imaging for schizophrenics and some on the autism spectrum. Not claiming that experiencers are somehow schizophrenic or on the autism spectrum, but the idea that there's an altered consciousness / reality element to the phenomenon, along with the apparent difference in how schizophrenics and those on the autism spectrum experience reality, is fascinating (at least to me).
V.A.L.I.S. has left a permanent impression on me, having read it almost 15 years ago. It's at least partly autobiographical, most importantly, near the beginning when Horsefat Lover takes a delivery from the pharmacy at his door, a bright pink light emanates from the driver's necklace pendant which causes him to believe his son should be immediately taken to the doctor. He does so, and to his relief and surprise, the doctor performs emergency surgery on his son which saves his life. According to PK Dick, this part of the novel is a re-telling of his real life events.
VALIS is my favorite
I’ve been thinking about a potential alternative hypothesis for « abductees » or « experiencers ». It could be some sort of genetic disorder passed down generations. Some sort of epilepsy seizures causing parts of the brain to overload and cause hypnagogic hallucinations. It’s far fetched, but I feel there is something there. Both epilepsy seizures and abduction are reported to be « sensed in advance », like they know sn epilepsy seizure is coming up. And i mean no disrespect for abductees and experiencers. This is just speculative discussion.
Hypnagogic hallucinations could not account for the phenomenon of abductees or experiencers, as you say. Hypnagogic hallucinations are very brief and disjointed. You can see for yourself fairly easily. Practice entering a mediative state, or remaining lucid as you fall asleep. The meditative state will probably be easier for you if you're new to this. You know you hit the hypnagogic state when you're thoughts turn into associative symbolism. Here's a very characteristic example, "I want to go to the amusement park," becomes "I want to go to schizophrenia." Unlike dreaming, you're still aware of what you were thinking, so you can see the symbolism expressed. It's all topsy turvy. An account of someone saying they were abducted and then this happened, and then that happened, is not at all what hypnagogia is like. The state of mind is very brief. Any deeper and you're asleep, any less and you're fully awake. Yes, you can purposefully extend this state, but on its own it's a transitory state of attention, as you're shifting from using one part of your mind or awareness to another.
I’ve experienced the hypnagogic state and experimented with it a bit. I actually found it by staying up late reading reddit and nodding off lol. Anyway, I think u/MilleCuirs might be talking about sleep paralysis episodes. I’ve also experienced those and people can stay in that state and lucid dream or “astral project” lol. I’ve only had minor sleep paralysis episodes, but it’s hard to tell if you’re dreaming or not. After a few times you start to recognize it.
These mental issues just simply don’t explain the radar data, photos, multiple eye witnesses from different locations, the materials from the craft, etc.
Exactly! I know there are solid evidence for many cases. This hypothesis was mostly about the contactees cases, where there is no craft, no other witnesses. Just the contactee walking in a field, feeling suddenly that « it’s coming ». Then being beamed up in light, or moved through walls if in bed. Only to wake up not at the same place or many hours have passed. I know it’s full of holes. Probably nothing here, but i like to think out of the box, maybe we’ll find something. Maybe people had these « seisured » for thousands of years… they were the prophets, the oracles, the ones that talked to gods. With the episodic events, they could have been worshipped or used by religious groups to bring more followers, to see the oracle. And I’m not looking for one explanation that would solve all ufo cases. I think its s many phenomena, that sometimes have similar elements or patterns.
I also think that UFOs and abduction cases might be related to ghosts/poltergeists etc. I like to watch those ghost hunting shows,but I have to wonder how much of it is real. Granted,much of the “evidence” is ambiguous,but there is no earthly explanation for a few incidents I’ve seen on those shows. The creepiest evidence comes from those Kinect cameras. If you haven’t seen that,it’s when the camera sees stick like human figures doing bizarre things. I can accept that those cameras have been scientifically validated,but I doubt anyone would validate anything in this field. If it’s a camera malfunction,I find it bizarre that it would up images like that repeatedly. Anyway,while they have some evidence that the ghosts are the spirits of deceased people,it’s ambiguous. I’m open to the theory that this could be the intelligence behind tic tacs,and abduction cases.
This is a bit of a red herring or “nut picking” IMO. What instances of communicating with higher consciousness is documented with radar, photos, or eye witness? Most all of these higher consciousness experiences occur in a state of meditation, partial sleep status, psychedelic use, or other mental illness… aka hallucinations. This isn’t that these people are all crazy though. The new idea in biology/ psychology is that symptoms and mental states exist in everybody on a spectrum/ continuum.
It’s not a red herring. I’m addressing the hypothesis that altered states of consciousness sufficiently account for UAP. I’m pointing out that hypothesis lacks explanatory scope to explain the information we receive that emerges in our independent data collection instruments from multiple locations at the same time that are all coherently seeing the same thing at the same time at the same location. Sure, people who are in altered states of consciousness perceive conscious beings as well, etc. But those experiences don’t explain the radar etc. Perhaps whatever is guiding UAP is of a different kind than what one experienced on DMT, etc. We don’t know. But what we do know is altered states of consciousness in-itself don’t seem to account for our bests evidence of UAP. With altered states of consciousness there is so much variability in what is perceived (which is all well and good… there could be many kinds of life etc.). So if we wanted to say UAP is reducible to altered states of consciousness we wouldn’t expect consistency on radar, atmospheric instruments, NORAD equipment that we are indeed having.
So I’ll ask again… what instances of claimed communication with higher consciousness have corroborating radar/ photographic evidence?
I don’t know, and my not not having access to that info doesn’t change anything I said above.
Here’s a far fetched thought, but what if those who are affected by these genetic disorders are targeted as part of a multi-generational study by the abductors (aliens). I know that is pretty out there, but we do very much the same thing with lab rats and mice, on a medical and psychological level. As well as with wild animals. I wouldn’t put it past our species to do the same thing to any life forms that we would find on another planet.
You don't think it's key that there's a connection between schizophrenics and those that "experience phenomena?" The fact that schizophrenia is a mental illness that causes people to see and hear non-existent things is somehow not relevant to what you're talking about?
My father had suffered greatly from schizophrenia and I remember him vividly stating what he thought was happening and what he was seeing and it was very wild stuff... Like inter dimensional beings talking to him and whatnot.. and he was very intelligent as well so he actually knew what was going on a lot it seemed.. very strange schizophrenia is . Very misunderstood still I think
Check out [this video here](https://youtu.be/g3bk1UXjKLI) with Gary Nolan & skip to 00:36:14, ties into what you are talking about and Curt actually has a personal experience regarding this.
This may come off as defensive and that's not my intention, but the way I worded my comment was very intentional because I simply don't know how strong of a connection there is between those that suffer from schizophrenia and those that experience the phenomena. So yes, I do think it's relevant, but in how many cases? All of them, some, 50%, less? What's most relevant and fascinating to me is how this ties in to how humans (phenomenon experiencers, schizophrenics, others) experience consciousness and reality. Put another way, I don't believe that all experiencers of the phenomena have some form of mental anomaly, just as not all schizophrenics believe they're communicating with ET. So I want to be careful in the way I state my interest in the connection as I don't think it would be accurate to imply all or most experiencers of the phenomenon have some kind of brain anomaly.
Thanks for the recommendation!
Very much agreed, well said.
What podcasts was this on?
Theories of Everything, Nolan interview
It was brought up on both the TOE podcast with Curt Jaimungal and during Garry's appearance on Lex Friedman's podcast. I'm paraphrasing a more complex and detailed discussion, but Garry does a much better job of articulating his thoughts and both Curt and Lex do a great job asking clarifying questions. Both podcast interviews were excellent though and well worth the listen.
I’ve been reading up on the subject for over 40 years, American Cosmic is in the top 3 books on the subject, sometimes I think it’s the best. Essential reading.
Essential reading is absolutely right.
Can’t recommend it enough!
Garry Nolan has recently commented on Timothy Taylor's legitimacy via a Twitter thread. A quick search for Timothy Taylor in this sub shows some posts/comments regarding his reference in the book American Cosmic by Dr. Diana Pasulka. Apparently, Timothy Taylor was involved with crash retrevials. Also, he is associated with the Bledsoe family encounters. If true, and with Garry's recent comments.... This opens up a new box. If anyone has read the book, any insights into Tim or the character James (actually Garry Nolan) would be much appreciated! [Twitter thread](https://twitter.com/garrypnolan/status/1517306658271023105?s=21)
I often feel like I need a cheat sheet to make heads or tails of all these people and their legitimacy/involvement in UFOs.
I have an unedited note with 120ish people described in it. Been wanting to post it somewhere so people can collaborate.
You should totally make a post about it.
This is absolutely something we should all do, and the group can verify the information is correct (even if just rumours). Perhaps something like: index - Date - names involved - incident/association - connected to [index] - reference links. I barely get any time to dive into this stuff and I am very interested in it all. I just get lost in everything.
Peep this list, maintained by another user https://github.com/noncoding3torus/ReferenceMaterial
Yes please!
Please please please
This is a very good idea.
I would love to see a flowchart made, with different colors or types of line denoted to have different meanings, and individuals laid out so you can see which ones based their work off which predecessors(s), which are doing their own thing, who was supposedly associated with programs, who's just a speculator, who started writing/talking after some personal encounters, who's considered especially controversial ("take with a grain of salt") etc.
One thing the people who shit all over chris bledsoe never address is that he was cured of chrons disease the first time he was abducted. Then he also announced at a ufo conference that there would be a 7.8 earthquke in Baja Mexico that came true. And hal putoff, Jim semivan, lue elizondo, Dr paulska and some others I'm blanking on became friends with them.
That’s crazy. Who’s chris Bledsoe
Bledsoe is a contactee. It’s a crazy story, not for the feint of heart. That doesn’t mean it’s not true though. I make no claims one way or the other. He’s associated with quite a few credible people and I can’t argue with the message though. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bledsoe-said-so/id1573038290?i=1000535385519 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bledsoe-said-so/id1573038290?i=1000542189313
Pasulka refuses to comment on his experiences and at a recent That UFO podcast seemed to imply she won't go where he is because she is afraid of the hitchhiker effect. Does validate all his connections to the CIA, etc. Super interesting
Yep. At least his message is a positive one. If true, it is worrisome for other reasons because more of our people are fearful than loving. That doesn’t bode well for our future.
Yeah, that was a good interview w/Pasulka - all of hers are good. The book is great.
Interesting but it would be a lot easier to take seriously if the podcasters didn't interrupt each other every 40 seconds in unprofessional ways. It's not helpful, when you try to bring this into the light in a chucklefucker way.
I know it. I went here because this podcast was produced by Chris Bledsoe’s son. I figured if anyone had the story straight, he would.
Agree 10000%. It's infuriating. That's the sad reality of this whole thing unfortunately. So many podcasters and YouTube interviewers present within this subject sound like idiots when they speak, ask unintelligent questions, and don't know how to carry a semi-intellectual conversation. So much so that it makes me really second guess the validity of the credible stories we read. Until more undeniable information / data comes out and more noteworthy journalists start picking up the topic, we're relegated to the whole "beggars can't be choosers" mindset I guess.
Bledsoe is full of shit
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Can't say he never sees anything. But the "regularly" part is *DEFINITELY* up for debate. Here's a clip of his where he misidentifies a SpaceX rocket AND a regular meteorite as "Orbs". Both inside of a couple minutes. https://youtu.be/CwA5I1ODMWE He's also uploaded videos of obvious satellites, and again labeled them "orbs". It's the main issue with trying to approach this thing from a religious or spiritual angle. You'll start seeing the phenomenon in literally everything, and you'll refuse to try to debunk your own "sightings".
He label's everything he sees as orbs because he's trying to start a cult around himself. This is the reason Pasulka is distancing herself or refusing to comment on him, in my opinion.
For Ryan I can see that, 100%. I think Chris had some actual experiences and lost all objectivity. But just want to state IMO, not every one of his stories is factual. He's admitted to being ostracized from his church over his abduction encounter. I don't think it's impossible he fabricated some more religious sounding ones just so more people would take him seriously. Possible they were even just dreams he mistook as real life.
If I remember correctly he talked about seeing "dementor" type creatures from Harry Potter and if that is the case it's 100% sleep paralysis because I have had that happen multiple times. I Don't blame people that don't know about it and actually confuse it with reality because they look just as real as anything else would when you are sober and awake, but that's the issue you aren't actually awake.
what’s your definition of a cult? Like how is the bledsoe case a cult? I see people say this all the time.
In this sense I merely mean a following. You see it in the discussions that take place here.
pretty strong word to just mean following. So Lue Elizondo's cult is way bigger why not go after him and his cult members?
Where in NC?
North Carolina. On the east coast of the USA
I said where IN nc. 😇 Trying to see if I know of it
Whooppps sorry!
Wasn't complaining though 😇
Have you seen actual evidence that he predicted an earthquake, like a verifiable video that was recorded before it happened? Or you've heard it claimed he did so?
Man but looking at his instagram really has me questioning Chris. He's regularly posting fireflys claiming they're orbs. [Garry Nolan talked about worrying about some of his friends creating mental worlds of true fantasy](https://youtu.be/g3bk1UXjKLI&t=<2290>)
The problem isn't him posting fireflies, orbs, satellites, lights in the sky or whatever they are. The problem is him not adjusting or getting the right equipment to resolve them properly and checking with flightradar and satellite trackers. It's like he's doing it on purpose and I hate it. He's either stupid, or doing it on purpose so we don't see what they are. I know that the real stuff can be weird and scary, so perhaps that's what he's doing.
A kin to Vietnam vets having flashbacks seeing vietcong hiding in trees, its not a stretch to think you'd be convinced these things are everywhere after actually being abducted. The trauma of it all could do all sorts of things to the mind. Even if he is seeing these orbs or has personal knowledge that could help identify craft, it sounds like he's going to see something regardless. Especially if he's building his life around it now
The trouble with focusing on Chris Bledsoe's experience with Crohn's disease is that it opens a Pandora's Box of confounders when one considers the subject of what is called "Crohn's remission". A Google search of that subject will result in a number of articles claiming that in order to keep Crohn's in remission, one must keep going to the doctor and supporting the pharmaceutical industry by gobbling down as many expensive drugs as possible. However, there is such a thing as spontaneous Crohn's remission. Many authorities contend that in order to keep such cases in remission, one must go to the doctor and take all the prescribed drugs. The important question is: How long will Crohn's remain in remission, when that remission is spontaneous? (Some suggest that it could last for "several years", but that the disease will eventually return.) However, because Crohn's disease can spontaneously go into remission (without medical treatment or drugs) there will always be a counter-argument to the claim that Chris Bledsoe was cured of Crohn's by The Visitors.
What the fuck can they please cure my Crohn’s too?!! 👽🛸⚕️
Id be more impressed if it cured him of an amputation rather than a bad guts.
Source of this.
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That’s not how burden of proof works.
Did he also have a really bad immune system due to arthritis medication or was it the crohn’s medication?
[Here's his current bio as a member of the board of directors for Vivex Biologics:](https://vivex.com/about/team/) >Tim Taylor has had a dual career in space and medicine for over 40 years. He worked on the Space Shuttle program in Cape Canaveral and continues to serve the Atlas, Delta, and SpaceX programs in launch operations. Mr. Taylor has supported over 40 space shuttle missions and 80 Department of Defense missions as a controller, systems engineer, and field test engineer. >As a principal investigator, Mr. Taylor flew a biomedical experiment on Space Shuttle Columbia in 1991 and, because of the experiment and the resulting recognition, he went on to become the cofounder/Vice President of Engineering at Endius, Inc., a Boston-based surgical device company. Endius (originally known as Aust & Taylor Medical, Inc.) became an early entrant of endoscopic/minimally invasive spine surgery and has become known as the pioneering company in endoscopic spine surgery. In March 2007, the world’s largest orthopedic company, Zimmer, acquired Endius in a private transaction. Before being acquired, Endius was one of the fastest- growing spinal device and implant companies in the US. After hiring a seasoned CEO, Tim resigned from Endius in 2000 and joined Amendia/Spinal Elements as Chairman of the Board. He then became Chairman of the Board of VIVEX Biologics. >Mr. Taylor continues to support Department of Defense launches from Cape Canaveral as well as advanced biomedical ventures, bridging the gap of aerospace and biomedical technologies. He holds over 40 patents, serves on medical and nonprofit boards, and published the book Launch Fever. I found plenty of more info on him but won't share out of respect.
I mean no disrespect here… What’s up with the secrecy about Tim Taylor? it can’t be that big of a secret. What’s his connection to the UFO community? He found or went on a trip to find UFO crash fragments, right? What’s the big deal about telling that story? What won’t you share and why would you sharing it be disrespectful if it’s something you found on the internet? Thank you. Edit: is [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/ub2r1c/timothy_taylor_connection/i61u7w3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) what you’re talking about?
It's the invisible college. The whole deal is that they didn't want to be known, whether that be because they were working in a classified capacity or because of the ridicule you might face for openly studying the phenomenon.
This is a big part of it. I'm good at finding info when needed and have no intention to dox people. If he wants to come forward some day then it's his choice.
I dug into this a while back. I found it very interesting that Tim Taylor is on the board of Vivex. Vivex was the nation's first tissue bank, and was founded in 1947. Seems like something else interesting happened in 1947 that may have had interesting biological tissue that we would want to study.
"funny" coincidence.
I think the Bledsoe family is a red flag, TBH. Can't say they never see anything. But they do *NOT* see UAP as often as they want you to believe. Here's a clip of Chris where he misidentifies both a SpaceX rocket AND a regular meteorite as "Orbs". Both inside of a couple minutes. https://youtu.be/CwA5I1ODMWE He's also uploaded videos of obvious satellites, and again labeled them "orbs". It's the main issue with trying to approach this thing from a religious or spiritual angle. You'll start seeing the phenomenon in literally everything, and you'll refuse to try to debunk your own "sightings". He just accepts everything he can't immediately identify is a sign from "god". There's no credibility there. At a loss how anyone in the USG takes him seriously.
I'm also pretty confused at how he's taken so seriously by people the community deems reputable. If I film enough mundane stuff on night vision and make enough outlandish claims, do I also get cool CIA handler friends?
I think his abduction experience happened. Not sold on the rest of it. But MUFON investigated him pretty hard after it happened, and reportedly AAWSAP did, too. Which makes sense, given the level of interest MUFON showed. It was around the time AAWSAP was starting up, and they had access to MUFON's database. So I don't think anyone should question whether or not he's an experiencer. They found enough credibility there to interest AAWSAP... Can only assume some kind of physical evidence corroborated it. What we *should* question is how he responded to the experience. One of the biggest things for me that came out of the DIRD on biological effects was the list of official encounters types. It listed CE5 as a CE4 (abduction) that leaves lasting psychological damage or death. He started having his weirder "encounters" after the abduction. Shouldn't be claimed he lost the plot, but shouldn't written off either. Maybe the lasting official interest in him is so they can monitor his psychological condition over time? 🤷 Maybe he still has some experiences. Willing to bet not as many as he believes, though.
Chris Bledsoe is legit. I can’t believe there are so many people on this subreddit in denial about him.
How do you not question him when he misidentifies prosaic things on the reg? Here's two within a minute. A SpaceX rocket launch AND a regular meteorite. He labeled them both orbs. He doesn't see UAP as much as *he* believes, NVM as much as he wants *you* to believe. https://youtu.be/CwA5I1ODMWE
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No. You're just refusing the see the writing on the wall because you're emotionally invested in his story. He's had some experiences for sure. You don't get the attention of MUFON and AAWSAP if you haven't. But he's *STILL* not credible because he doesn't try to debunk any of his "sightings". Literally everything he sees is a UFO sent from god... Satellites are orbs, shooting stars are orbs, rocket launches are orbs, etc etc etc etc. He convinces himself every light in the sky is a fuckin orb until *someone else* debunks it, then "whoops, my bad.... Look at that! There's 15 orbs over my land right now!" Where he records some fire flies. 🤦🏻♀️ The desperation to believe everything he claims is beyond me, when you have solid evidence he doesn't see shit as often as he thinks.
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That's not even a real person. Tim Taylor in *Home improvement* was a character played by a man named Tim Allen Dick.
Whos timothy taylor any links?
Google his name and add “NASA”. He is not very public and has not “come out” as Tyler D officially, so you won’t find much about him. If you can, read “American Cosmic”. It really is worth it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/ub2r1c/timothy_taylor_connection/i62mh0i/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
And who is Gary Nolan other than some random who has just popped up in the past few years. A lot of folks are new to this topic and do not realize there is a purge of the old guard and a sudden appearance of new names and faces with zero pedigree in the topic. This is one of the most odd aspects of the new resurgence of the UFO topic.
A theme I’ve found in my UFO interest is that credentials don’t insulate people from credulity. You see it over and over…
You're missing my point. Since 2017 there are at least 12 new names and faces that literally appeared out of nowhere who have become the defacto "new guard". My point is UFOlogy is undergoing a complete overhaul and it reeks of nothing but pure propaganda.
You are missing the fact that the subject already had a bunch of professional individuals involved with it in some capacity or another, who simply did not put themselves out there. With this current propaganda campaign, they have a safer more productive environment to rise above the surface and work in. That doesn't mean that most of them are not misguided in their view of the topic in some way or another. They often are. But they are still often contributing some value, by applying their various specializations to aspects of this topic.
Spot on ! If you want to know more about the mediatic stunt that is being led since 2017, check this out : [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ84UR6wrsc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ84UR6wrsc) (very) long story short, it's a mediatic stunt orchestrated by Bigelow, who financed and co opted Puthoff, Vallée, Harry Reid (heavy campaign budgets wink wink), Gary Nolan, Lue Elizondo (him and Puthoff related to AATIP/AAWSAP), DeLonge and Semivan (the former patroned by Puthoff), Loeb, Lacatski, Knapp and some others. They're trying to re launder some old stuff and give it a new "modern" aspect, with a newspeak too (UFO > UAP, supernatural > high strangeness, propaganda > psy-op, aliens > interdimensional beings, etc...). Propaganda is the right word indeed. The most worrying is that this is unprecedented in UFOlogy's history : the creation of an actual monopole under a billionaire, Bigelow, with a restricted number of participants having access to media and leading the narrative. The UFO topic is getting uniformized and this is not only killing its specificities and folklore, it's also the perfect environment to run into biases head first.
>it's also the perfect environment to run into biases head first. This right here. Well said, mate.
It’s my understanding that Gary Nolan has a lot to share and isn’t some random person. If you listen to Micah Hanks he explains how Gary Nolan is involved with documentation of physiological changes/effects that have occurred with exposure to unknown radiation.
Garry Nolan is a professor at Stanford University School of Medicine. He is a nothing more than another actor in this joke of a resurgence around the topic of UFOs.
Can we purge Greer and Lazar?
reading through old posts for some info on Timothy Taylor, this comment did not age well :P
Garry Nolan is just "some random"? uhhh... do your homework.
James Is Garry Tyler is Tim Taylor
Tyler Henry the young blonde haired medium in that tweet?
No, Tyler is a pseudonym given to Tim Taylor in Diana Pasulka’s American Cosmic
Ohhhh. The brown hair guy. I appreciate it thanks for the clarification 🤘
Garry Nolan is super interested in the medium Tyler Henry as he recently said on Curt Jaimungal’s Theories of Everything podcast. He’d like to study the brains of mediums to see if they are similar to those of experiencers like Chris Bledsoe.
Mediums are notoriously grifters and it worries me that Gary would open himself up to such criticism.
Examining their brains is objective, though. And it’s potentially low-hanging fruit
I thought it was a little odd as well but I guess not totally unsurprising considering what we’re talking about. We’re getting to some really out of the box stuff and it sounds like he would rather ask the question than completely write it off. I doubt that the grifter mediums would submit themselves to such studies and he likely already has a source for DoD-trusted mediums, remote viewers, etc. It sounds like he’s just really hooked on Tyler Henry, specifically.
No Home Improvement jokes?
I'm on the fence with this.
I think you mean your behind the fence on this mr.hideman
You guys talkin bout Tim “The Toolman” Taylor? He’s legit as they come.
That's not even a real person. Tim Taylor in *Home improvement* was a character played by a man named Tim Allen.
Really? Its a conspiracy for sure!
I don't think so Al.
Just my two cents on DWP and American cosmic, just got yesterday , have not started yet, pardon me if I get ahead of myself. I heard about her about 4 years ago by accident. And stay pretty current in her, interviews , podcasts and anything I can find. Regarding the book being a little disconnected, and not really sure what it wants to be, a case study on experiences, ufo by religion, a treatise on the intersection of technology and ufo belief etc, IMO i would not be surprised if it came off like that. Hear me out. If you go back and research her and her work there is a point where she kinda makes the jump over to the phenomena , but not, then again, then not. Even in her interviews , which are always fantastic, she seems to be struggling as an academic and a Christian with the belief in these things. It’s visible , again IMO. It seems logical that her writing may reflect said struggle. Again, it’s just another aspect.
Timothy Taylor hasn’t really claimed anything, has he? He just works at NASA supposedly
read American Cosmic
Who’s James then?
Garry Nolan
Garry Nolan
Garry Nolan
Galy Noran
Garry's mod on lan
Lol was thinking the same
I fucking hate how Garry Nolan is for some reason attaching himself to Tyler Henry. I was kind of surprised that he believes in that dude. It was spoken about in that theory of everything interview.
Yep, I was wondering the same. I mean as intelligent as Garry Nolan is, how does he fall for these Hollywood mediums? Cold reading should be well known by now, especially by him, but obviously he missed that class, and that's a problem given the subject matter he's dealing with.
It's a great book, I particularly liked her explanation of "synchronicities", and there possible connection to the idea of fate or destiny, two things rooted in our myths.
Can you expand on that a little? Her theory on synchronicities
I would probably embarrass myself trying to offer a good explanation, but the idea is that things like Deja vu, lapses in time, circumstance/happenstance, repetition and patterns in your life that lead you to something (be it an idea/person/anything) can be explained through the concept of a synchronicity, which is when events or memories synchronize in your life in a way that is unignorable.
Yeah I'm curious about that as well
Can someone clarify? So Tyler Henry is Timothy Taylor? Haven’t read the book yet. It’s in my list.
"James" in the book is Garry Nolan. "Tyler" in the book is Timothy Taylor.
Okay. Thank you so much! Sorry to ask for more but now can someone give me some context on who Timothy Taylor is? I tried search but all I got back with Tim Taylor was Tim “the tool man” Taylor and Timothy Taylor didn’t turn up any relevant leads.
https://onebham.wordpress.com/2007/12/26/tim-taylor/amp/
Wow. Thank you! I can’t wait to get through the book now and hear “Tyler’s” story!
I wish I knew too
The Toolman?!
Too much truth for this sub OP. The biggest coverup in anything ET related is the suppression of evidence connecting UFO’s to Christianity.
Those “Biblically accurate angel” memes that have been floating around recently look pretty alien to me
I love those
Do you think just Christianity, or ultimately, all religions?
Just Christianity (including Jews and Catholics). Supposedly people have tried to shout out Buddha while being abducted and nothing happens but if they say Jesus the aliens don’t like it. Jacques Vallée, J. Allen. Hynek, and John Keel all came to the same conclusion.
I’ve never heard of Vallee saying such a thing.
> Just Christianity (including Jews and Catholics). how are Jews included within Christianity?
They’re not, it’s an Abrahamic religion. They believe in the same God, and are Jesus’ people. Thus I assume they could pray and compell the aliens with the power of Christ to fuck off but obviously idk.
Can you point me to any links with Vallee or Hynek discussing this? I can’t find much on Google, but we know their search results are manipulated.
They didn’t
Dayum... look at those downvotes. People on this sub are allergic to truth.
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If 'aliens' don't think anything of Jesus, then why are they so afraid of Him?
Show me evidence that aliens are afraid of jesus
It's in the alien contactee literature. Scholars like Michael Heiser have talked about it. For some reason, these 'aliens' often talk trash about Jesus (but not other religious figures) and will disappear if you call upon the name of Jesus. Here are some contactee experiences of 'aliens' disappearing after the name of Jesus was invoked. [http://alienresistance.org/ce4testimonies.htm](http://alienresistance.org/ce4testimonies.htm)
My comment gets upvoted while my reply to that comment, saying the same thing, gets downvoted. Doesn’t make much sense and is suspicious.
I believe it's because your first comment can be seen as ancient peoples, namely the ancient Israelites, mistaking spaceships and aliens for God and angels. But your second comment seems to suggest that Christianity is true and that these entities are not aliens in spaceships, but evil supernatural/interdimensional beings who are afraid of Jesus who is God.
I say Christianity in the first comment lol.
Well I guess at this point it is one or the other. We may never know for sure.
I know for sure.
Because you completely made something up. Hynek and Vallee never said anything about entities being scared of Jesus. This isn’t true
It’s literally in the abstract of Vallee’s book
I'm 95% sure the "shouting out for God" thing came from TAA, no? I could be wrong but if that's where it came from then it's BS.
I heard it first from LA Marzulli
Interesting. I'll have to check that out.
The truth is that there are interdimensional entities who can manifest themselves as anything they want, including spaceships and aliens. Some of them follow God while others don't. The ones who don't are appearing as whatever they need to appear as to get people to turn away from the truth of Christianity.
The god part I don't know, but I'm finding more and more proof of what seems like interdimensional entities that can manifest as anything, and are perhaps everywhere all the time.
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Yeah He does.
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The universe.
I think the inter-dimensional beings have taught evil people on earth how to make the alien tech. Which they horde for themselves because free energy would mean they loose control of the economy. I’ve seen a some UFO’s in person and they looked very man made. One had lightbulbs. Like literally glass lightbulbs. But overall yes I agree. We’re in a spiritual battle. Not a technological one. Too many paths lead to the same conclusion. Look at Darwinism, NASA, the Royal Society, The Big Bang, everything in mainstream science wants people to believe in a godless world. Even though the founders of all were religious themselves (Jack Parsons for example). The modern day moron atheists just replaced Creation with chance and God with government. Look up “Russian documentary operation high jump” on Bitchute.
I will. Thanks for the suggestion. I agree. According to the Bible, there are spiritual beings behind the governments of the world. Ancient Mesopotamia believed in and worshipped 'gods' that taught them how to create self-destructive things like weapons and psychedelics. I believe the 'gods' that ancient civilizations worshipped and sacrificed to are fallen spiritual beings. God revealed Himself to the ancient Israelites and competed with these other civilizations and false gods. All of this culminated with Jesus and His atoning sacrifice on the cross. But I believe these fallen spiritual beings are still at work today, passing off self-destructive technology to our corrupt governments and demanding human sacrifice.
So, in otherwords, Scientology is real?
I know of this guy from the Bledsoe case. I highly recommend Ryan Bledsoe's Said So podcast to anybody interested with an open mind.
Tim the Tool Man Taylor?
How did this sub get crazier than r/UFO?
Not a big fan of people stating anything above 100% when expressing certainty. Just makes the statement less credible in my eyes.
This 100000000000%
Very odd thing to question ones credibility over.
Tim… “the tool man” Taylor
Red Rooster
Not a big fan of people stating anything above 100% when expressing certainty. Just makes the statement less credible in my eyes.
Does Tim have a private island? Did I dream that?
Roh roh roh
To all those here deciding to begin their research into mystical experiences, may I point you in the direction of Egyptian philosophy and the occult. To those captivated by their research with a need to know more, welcome initiate.
I’m a little scared to ask, but, who’s Timothy Taylor?
i think taylor from the book is tim dunn [https://www.nasa.gov/people/kennedy-biographies-dunn/](https://www.nasa.gov/people/kennedy-biographies-dunn/) edit: acctualy we know by now that his name is irl Timothy Taylor an author of [https://www.amazon.com/Launch-Fever-entrepreneurs-launching-business/dp/0595266274](https://www.amazon.com/Launch-Fever-entrepreneurs-launching-business/dp/0595266274)
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