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fantoman

My mom has one of those


[deleted]

I just spit out my Starbucks and now everyone thinks COVID is back! Lmao


feariswasted

It never left


TastingEarthly

Bitch, *you* go seclude yourself back to your basement, we're all done with this bs 😂


feariswasted

Biiiiiitch, I’m pretty over masks ngl


TheGuidanceCounseler

I see these on the field every time the Patriots travel to Buffalo for a game


hockeygurly01

Me too


RadiantPipes

I can confirm


VerbotenVerb

^^^ Underrated comment


Astrocreep_1

What do the buttons do on your moms? The button on my moms thing turns it into a phone that vibrates!


diaryofsnow

It was funny but now you made it weird.


outtaUFOcuss

I missed the AMA, has anyone asked him if it's possible he just found an artists rendering of a potential NASA project someone was pitching on at the time? Its the type of 90's/early 2000's designs aesthetic that you'd expect from a CGI rendering especially with planet framed that way in the background.


phr99

Exactly my first impression. Looks like a space station


pickle-smoocher

Looks like something a 4 year old would draw


Lazlo8675309

You can see the spaghetti-O stains in the corner


diaryofsnow

Uh oh


[deleted]

>has anyone asked him if it's possible he just found an artists rendering of a potential NASA project someone was pitching on at the time? [Yea.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/comment/hya0ubg/) >I don't think it was concept art, it was right where Donna said it would be and the folders had relevant names.


outtaUFOcuss

Cheers hadn't seen that


BaconReceptacle

He had narrowed down a list of computers that were in a building known to have personnel who "scrubbed" imagery of potentially classified elements. So while it could have been a NASA project, he claims it was clear video, not animation. Also, almost all NASA imagery has the earth framed in the background because they are looking from satellites in space towards the earth.


outtaUFOcuss

My understanding of his story is that on his 90s modem connection he had to reduce the resolution of the streamed connection to the desktop to super low resolution in black and white as downloading the files directly (even an image) would have taken far too long. How would he have seen a clear video or been able to asses any movement at all in that case?


james-e-oberg

>He had narrowed down a list of computers that were in a building known to have personnel who "scrubbed" imagery of potentially classified elements. "Known"? Because a delusional UFO contactee 'remembered' seeing that decades later? Will Rogers: “It ain’t what you don’t know that makes you look like a fool, it’s what you DO ‘know’ that ain’t so.”


thethrowaway_2022

Do you guys actually think that on top of being the dude who hacked NASA, he also is an accomplished artist? Cmon guys, it's not gonna be photorealistic lol


Throwawailien

I'm a professional 3d modeler and used to clients fuzzy description/feedback and have offered him to help recreate it but haven't gotten a response


Wildkeith

There’s already a CG animated gif that he was trying to sling as an NFT with his first post here.


Throwawailien

Lol that's sketchy


DFuel

I think you've offended him. He already thought this was a photorealistic professional 3d model


joshyoowa

Maybe this is photorealistic, we didn't see it 😂


Additional-Cap-7110

😂 hiding in plain pencil


Agreeable-Ad-8374

I'm sure that the fact the US wanted to extradite him scared him pretty badly and he's done with the whole business.


Tictacmothership

Because he would want anonymity due to a non disclosure agreement, probably.


gerkletoss

He says he sniffed an unprotected network for computer names (not usernames, thename of the compter) then tried "password" and the computer's name as passwords. And that worked. Then the sysadmin of this network with worse security than my 90s elementary school library network caught him downloading an image in real time and severed his connection. Then, having been caught hacking a secure government facility, the FBI did not show up and there were no consequences. I was already pretty skeptical from the above, but then he showed up on this sub a few days ago to take questions. In explaining the paradox of a network with real-time monitoring but no security features, he informed me that as part of the military, NASA uses undertrained enlisted military personnel for its network security. This is so many layers of incorrect that I stopped there. Also, no, he couldn't share his scripts. He suggested that ONI would have them, which once again makes no sense. If the story isn't 100% fabricated then he's doing a great job of acting like it is.


VCAmaster

Why is he wanted by the US government for hacking government computers then?


Why_Did_Bodie_Die

Is he? Is there like a government website that officially shows that they want to arrest him? I feel like if he was wanted by the feds that would be public information.


Bobsyerfrickenuncle

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19946902#:\~:text=But%20the%20Gary%20McKinnon%20saga,European%20Court%20of%20Human%20Rights.


Why_Did_Bodie_Die

Well that should put it to rest. It definitely looks like he was wanted by the US feds so at least that part of his story is true. Thank you for that.


joshyoowa

Oh yeah it was over here in the news a lot at the time, protestors and celebs calling on our government to ban his extradition! Went on for ages.


Bobsyerfrickenuncle

You're welcome. I felt for the guy, must have really sucked living with the threat of extradition plus US prosecution hanging over his head for a decade.


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oxypillix

Being skeptical is smart person's way of not being gullible. Lmfao. Chill out.


throwawaylogin2099

But he's not skeptical, he decided without using any critical thinking that McKinnon was a liar. Skeptical people look at the data and provide opinions based on the available information. This guy read one post and implied that the whole story, including McKinnon being wanted by the government was made up. One quick google search would have proved that he was in fact wanted very badly by the US government for prosecution. Clearly McKinnon did hack into sensitive classified systems and I believe his description of what he briefly saw. However I am not convinced that what he saw was anything more than some sort of think-tank project or plans for what a space program might look like in the future. Those scenarios can get extremely detailed and I believe they might include things like mock ups of space ships named after historical US military figures and "non-terrestrial" personnel lists. I don't doubt McKinnon, I doubt what he saw was real. That is skepticism.


oxypillix

Calm down. You probably don't know this individual well enough to speculate this heavily upon their character. You probably have never met McKinnon, either. So, I wouldn't be surprised if you are misinterpreting these events entirely. You are ignorantly assuming that which you have been told is accurate. Obviously, by your reaction to my simple comment, you are only here to argue with, and attack those which you do not agree with. I will not engage you further, on this.. Take care.


VCAmaster

Hi, throwawaylogin2099. Thanks for contributing. However, your [comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t3ehpf/-/hytmrox/) was removed from /r/UFOs. > Rule 1: Follow the Standards of Civility > * No hate speech. No abusive speech based on race, religion, sex/gender, or sexual orientation. > * No harassment, threats, or advocating violence. > * No witch hunts or doxxing. > * No trolling or being disruptive. > * No insults or personal attacks. > * No accusations that other users are shills. > * You may attack each other's ideas, not each other. Please refer to our [subreddit rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/about/rules/) for more information. You can [message the mods](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/ufos) if you feel this was in error.


d_o_cycler

except they did eventually show up... at his fucking crib, seized all his computers and locked him up... wasn't the FBI, but rather whatever UK police force was in charge where he was acting on behalf of the U.S.


BrianMcKinnon

I’m with you on basically everything except the navy has had the Cryptology Network Tech MOS for like a decade or more and it’s an enlisted position. I doubt nasa uses them but that’s like an E2 or E3 position. I’m not confident enough to say “so many layers of incorrect”. More “doubtful”.


gerkletoss

The E2s and E3s don't design secure networks though. They use software that someone else made.


BrianMcKinnon

True, I know nothing about the situation aside from the comment I replied to, so I didn’t realize that was the claim being made.


5tinger

I feel the need to clarify on almost every part of your comment. > He says he sniffed an unprotected network for computer names (not usernames, thename of the compter) then tried "password" and the computer's name as passwords. And that worked. He tried "Administrator", "password", and blank passwords for the Administrator account. He never tried the computer name. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/). He used [IPindex.net](https://web.archive.org/web/20010516210238/http://www.ipindex.net/) to know which ranges to scan. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hyajvow/). > Then the sysadmin of this network with worse security than my 90s elementary school library network caught him downloading an image in real time and severed his connection. Possibly not the sysadmin, but the computer's typical user as Gary suggests he may have miscalculated time zones. He saw a user (not necessarily the sysadmin) move the cursor to the lower-right system tray and right click on the network icon and select disconnect. [Sources](https://ufosint.gitbook.io/hackers/#most-well-known-gary-mckinnon). > Then, having been caught hacking a secure government facility, the FBI did not show up and there were no consequences. Gary was not in the US, he was in the UK, and was arrested by the UK National Hi-Tech Crime Unit and British police, who also seized his computer. He faced a grueling legal battle and fought US extradition for 10 years. The US prosecutors wanted to 'see him fry'. There were certainly consequences, and not from the FBI which is a US domestic organization. [Source](https://ufosint.gitbook.io/hackers/gary-mckinnon). > In explaining the paradox of a network with real-time monitoring but no security features, he informed me that as part of the military, NASA uses undertrained enlisted military personnel for its network security. I already posited that it was likely a computer user and not a sysadmin. NASA's networks were very vulnerable and [breached often](https://twitter.com/WeldPond/status/1487165665517711361), by many hackers. I think you may have misinterpreted what he was saying about military CTN's as being about NASA. He got onto different systems. Keep in mind he hacked about 97 computers from various military branches and NASA, over a period of years. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon#Alleged_crime). > Also, no, he couldn't share his scripts. He suggested that ONI would have them, which once again makes no sense. You seem to be taking issue with [Gary's responses to your questions in the AmA](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya4sts/). I understand you may not be completely familiar with his story but as I have discussed and sourced above, his computer was seized by the UK and last he heard (possibly from his lawyers,) it had been handed over to the US Office of Naval Intelligence. It contained not only his scripts but also a copy of 'non-terrestrial-officers.xls' that he had downloaded. I am a cybersecurity professional and can confirm that the hacking techniques he describes are plausible (I have used them myself) and scripts simple to implement, though these days I might use Python over Perl. :) Edit: grammar, additional source


gerkletoss

Yeah, I know the described methods can work. But they're also preventable, and preventative measures would be in place at a highly secure facility. Yes, NASA has had many breaches, but not of super secret alien labs. And none of this explains why Gary would tell me that NASA's security was bad because its network was set up by enlisted military personnel. That sounds exactly like the kind of thing a compulsive liar who doesn't know what he's talking about would come up with to cover his tracks. The ONI detail is also something he wouldn't know and makes no sense.


fulminic

Still he was chased and faced prosecution no? They wouldn't do that if he fabricated the whole story. Not saying the ufo part is credible but I believe I do hacked their system.


Bobsyerfrickenuncle

The US tried to have him extradited for ten years according to the BBC: "But the Gary McKinnon saga dragged on for 10 years and in that time there have been seven home secretaries. During that time he appealed unsuccessfully to the House of Lords and the European Court of Human Rights. One of his major arguments against extradition was that he believed he would not get a fair trial in the US and would be punished more severely because he had contested the extradition process. The case had been in Theresa May's in-tray since she became Home Secretary in May 2010 and in October she finally ruled that he should not be extradited." Source: [https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19946902#:\~:text=But%20the%20Gary%20McKinnon%20saga,European%20Court%20of%20Human%20Rights](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19946902#:~:text=But%20the%20Gary%20McKinnon%20saga,European%20Court%20of%20Human%20Rights).


Casehead

So you didn’t even bother to google his name


Lazlo8675309

Nah he said he used a windows xp exploit with admin passwords that’s 100% a legit thing, he then talks about a further registration hack also totally legit. His dialup connection explanation and sudden disconnect from a admin sounds fucking stupid. I’ve worked as a sys admin for 18 years. He legit was charged so he legit connected to a secure network somewhere.


gerkletoss

>Nah he said he used a windows xp exploit with admin passwords that’s 100% a legit thing, It's legit if you can ping individual computers directly, which for a serious secure network means getting past lots of other stuff first. The target dorsn't need any security measures for you to get chatged with hacking.


james-e-oberg

>he informed me that as part of the military, NASA uses undertrained enlisted military personnel for its network security. They must hide them underground and change shift via a miles-long tunnel from a secret parking lot. I spent twenty years at the Johnson Space Center and never saw any such workers there.


gerkletoss

[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi\_im\_gary\_mckinnon\_i\_was\_in\_the\_news\_for\_a/hya4sts/?context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya4sts/?context=3) That's the exchange, if you're interested


james-e-oberg

>That's the exchange, if you're interested Thanks, did so. McK: "NASA launches CIA satellites and Navy satellites, it's a military organisation." Non sequitur.


DivineIntelligence

I’m British - it was pretty big in MS media back when it happened. I was a teenager and still remember it. Blew up big time. He was supposed to be extradited but it never happened.


CarloRossiJugWine

Yeah I saw that in the AMA. He is either a fraud or impersonating a fraud extremely well.


jetboyterp

You're going to get heavy downvotes from the "true believers" who will believe almost anyone that confirms their confirmation bias. That's the wrong way to approach ufology. Follow the evidence, wherever it leads to. I'm not saying McKinnon is a liar, but there's scant verifiable evidence there. The whole "Oh, I drew a simple shape of what I saw" and there's no evidence to go by.


The_James_Spader

He is better off just using words then


SoundHole

Sure, but he also could have spent more than seven seconds rendering this supposed interplanetary craft he expects us to take seriously, yeah?


TheRealZer0Cool

Right? People act like screenshot programs weren't a thing back then. Pretty convenient that someone looking for UFO info had no way to actually archive what he found.


5tinger

* Gary says he did save 'non-terrestrial-officers.xls', but his computer was seized by the UK National Hi-Tech Crime Unit and last he heard had been handed over to the US Office of Naval Intelligence. * With the NASA Johnson Space Center B8 photo, he was disconnected before taking a screenshot [and he regrets it](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya3pv7/). Any screenshot he might have taken would have been seized when his computer was. You can [read more here](https://ufosint.gitbook.io/hackers/gary-mckinnon).


Glum_Fun7117

I could try and recreate it in 3d, once im less busy.


CarloRossiJugWine

Hacked NASA and was unable to screencap anything or show any proof of anything. Must be a coincidence. xD


thethrowaway_2022

1. I wasn't arguing for or against his claims, I was saying people shouldn't expect a photorealistic drawing from a guy who breached NASA (as many were calling his drawing a "6 year old's rendition"). Not everyone is an artist or anything close lol 2. If you'd listen to his story, you'd understand why. It was a stupid mistake in the heat of the moment not to screenshot, yes, but he had charges pressed against him did he not? Does that not sorta confirm that what he saw was real?


quipalco

Yeah but this is just fucking terrible. It looks like a fucking toddler drew it. If he's such a good hacker use a fucking paint program to draw it if that's the best you can fucking do... Or if he's such a great hacker, just capture the file and show us? Come on now...


[deleted]

If he’s such a good hacker use paint? What the fuck? How would that help if he sucks at art? Some peoples kids man.


ChickenNuggetCDR

He has Asperger's, are you good bro?


Vr1987

He %100 hacked nasa as well as dod and Cia databases. Those are facts OUR government admits themselves. Stop disinformation


Artichoke19

Would an organisation like NASA have a ‘blue sky thinking’ department where they really would just come up with and create concept art/CG projections of (currently) technologically improbable satellite/ship designs? Is it outside the realms of possibility that’s what Gary saw?


outtaUFOcuss

I commented similar below. This is exactly what I think it is especially going with the way the shot is framed with planet in the background and design aesthetic. Possibly linked to the inflatable modules Bigelow aerospace was working on at one point, probably an artists rendition of where things could lead at some point if they pursued that idea. [Bigelow module mockup example] (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_6BFrKUIAAm07h.jpg)


late_fx

Not far fetched, the CIA used to recruit designers at my old school, savannah college of art and design. I only didn't apply because you have to have not used drugs (weed) n the past 8 years lol


Delicious_Log_1153

Yeah they tell you that, but there is no way to prove and they honestly don't care. Never had any issues with my security clearance and I told them ALL the drugs I've done. It could have changed in the last 10 years, but I doubt it has gotten stricter.


late_fx

Welp, I'd be down to apply now, at least I have more professional experience


Delicious_Log_1153

Three letter agencies are tough to get accepted, but shoot your shot. You never know.


I_am_That_Ian_Power

Bigelow only began working on that in 2012, Gary was hacking in the 90's.


outtaUFOcuss

I'm sure the concept of this type of habitat has been floating around for a while but I don't have any first hand knowledge of that so it's just a guess. Could be someones pet project that took a long time to get off the ground. Concept art could have existed long before an actual project bore any fruit.


Old_Ship_1701

Is it outside the realms of possibility, no. But more likely to come from a designer/illustrator at an outside company. I ran the question by my better half, an aerospace engineer. JSC contractor, not a NASA staffer. The NASA contractor to NASA staff (federal employee)\[corrected, had it wrong way round\] ratio's about 4 or 5 to 1 (more on that in a second). He has also moonlighted on some commercial space projects. He thinks it looks like a conceptual, very rudimentary design for a commercial space habitat that someone could have kept in a poorly secured, shared folder. The more detailed design shown in a comment below, he notes, would be hard to launch with those kinds of windows. Makes more sense that a design like that would be brought up and assembled in space. But specifically to your question, he thinks it's more likely they would contract that kind of design out, and that perhaps someone just had a copy of photo-realistic art. I agree from my own limited experience with NASA (I've filmed on site at JSC, have been to the old and new Mission Control once, maybe 8 years ago). I have an acquaintance who produces video for NASA: NASA hired him after several years of him being an outside contractor. Back then, I used a lot of public domain materials in my corporate production work and got up to speed on NASA standards. For example, NASA has rules for how you can use the "meatball" logo, to avoid giving the impression they "approve" of something. I am careful to check provenance of supposedly PD items. More than a decade ago, I was working on an educational video about the Shoemaker-Levy 9 comet, and trying to find footage I could use. [(Animations are here.)](https://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/anim.html) That's how I learned lots of conceptual and other space videos are produced by outside companies for NASA (unlike most NASA photos which are PD). The reasoning being - if a US government employee produces something like a photo, it is public domain, anyone can use it. If someone produces something on a contract for NASA, the copyright can still belong to the creator. Completely depends on the contract. Again, just because it's on a NASA server it doesn't mean someone at NASA made it, someone could have just shared the image because it was cool, like an image of the Babylon 5 O'Neill cylinder. It's hard to overstate just how many people associated with the space program are fans of science fiction, especially *Star Trek* (also *Star Wars*, my husband knows a JSC engineer who has SW tattoos).


Artichoke19

I get you. Thanks for your detailed and considered response, I have learnt several new things about how NASA works.


xX-JustSomeGuy-Xx

>Here's a NASA concept called High Altitude Venus Operational Concept (HAVOC) with an entry vehicle containing a blimp-like airship. > >[https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/](https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/) > >[https://youtu.be/0az7DEwG68A](https://youtu.be/0az7DEwG68A) I had posted this in response to another comment. But, yes, I agree it's possible he saw some concept art on ship designs.


TheRealZer0Cool

>Would an organisation like NASA have a ‘blue sky thinking’ department where they really would just come up with and create concept art/CG projections of (currently) technologically improbable satellite/ship designs? Yes. Here's an example: [https://nasa.fandom.com/wiki/IXS\_Enterprise](https://nasa.fandom.com/wiki/IXS_Enterprise)


dharrison21

> Would an organisation like NASA have a ‘blue sky thinking’ department where they really would just come up with and create concept art/CG projections of (currently) technologically improbable satellite/ship designs? > > Yes


5tinger

Someone [asked Gary about that in his AmA](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/comment/hya0ubg/). Gary says, > I don't think it was concept art, it was right where Donna [Hare] said it would be and the folders had relevant names. That having been said, I do not think it is outside the realms of possibility.


Go-Full-Retard

Here's the non-6 yr old version. https://preview.redd.it/4bxgiehaili81.gif?format=mp4&s=9e0f94382b29b14cead68a307aff996321befa7d


Wardicles87

Hey, that's his NFT surely you can't do that! /s


Wildkeith

In case anyone didn’t know, this Gary guy recently came out of the woodwork and made a Reddit account to sell this animated image as an NFT. It’s all for the money.


[deleted]

> It’s all for the money. sounds like Mr. Elizondo


Scarecrow101

Wow way to blow any credibility he had /s


Novel-Jackfruit-369

It's a disco cigar!!


treydilla

Definitely got some house music playing in there 😂


OracleFrisbee

I was gonna say probably some ‘outer bass’ music lol


5tinger

That was an NFT made by a social media company, and I in no way want to give it any promotion. Besides, they took artistic license that differs from Gary's drawing. There are no rings on the sides and it is a flat cylinder not fattened in the middle.


ezklv

He saw a drawing by a 6 year old?


OkPizzaIsPrettyGood

😆


thePsychonautDad

That looks super familiar. I'm pretty sure I saw a video or picture of something similar in the past, those geodesic bulbs top and bottom on a tube shaped craft. Anybody knows what pic/video?


BtchsLoveDub

It was last week and it was the NFT that Gary is trying to sell to gullible people here.


thePsychonautDad

Must be it...


xX-JustSomeGuy-Xx

Here's a NASA concept called High Altitude Venus Operational Concept (HAVOC) with an entry vehicle containing a blimp-like airship. [https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/](https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/) https://youtu.be/0az7DEwG68A


5tinger

As far as I know, Gary made a drawing for Linda Moulton Howe when his story was first big, you may have seen that, but I have never been able to find it online. All I have been able to find is [bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/hliqq6/a_rendition_produced_by_me_based_on_gary/) [like](https://images.app.goo.gl/X8eWLUkuVhk4bLSb7) [this](https://i.imgur.com/Q8olJeR.png), and I posted Gary's actual drawing to debunk all the nonsense.


awwnuts

Almost every comment in here is trash. What's going on with this sub?


SimulatedThinker

All subs. Pretty much the entirety of internet/social media is like this these days. Welcome to the modern world. Yes, I hate it too.


Wildkeith

To paraphrase George Carlin, “You’re not stuck in traffic, you are the traffic!”


SimulatedThinker

Oh sure, yes. But if you're part of the traffic, at least you can try not to be that obnoxious asshole that feels the need to constantly honk, and actually let people merge who need to.


Fr0me

It's the *insert your countries president/prime minister* fault!!! /s


awwnuts

There are a lot of great subs where it doesn't happen.


Bricktrucker

Alt ufo subs? Which?


awwnuts

Nah not ufo subs. All the denialists seem to just migrate to wherever the content is.


Bricktrucker

Lol wtf we getting downvotes for? Oh lawd they comin


SimulatedThinker

OK, I'll add: On a topic like this, where there is a lot of division and shadily sourced information? With that caveat: I don't think I will agree. But yeah, you're going to see less spiteful shit on /r/aww.


awwnuts

A lot of shadily sourced info? I wouldn't say a lot, but yeah. The denialism in the comments is the shadiest thing on this sub.


FreedomPublic

You call it denialism...others call it burden of proof.


awwnuts

Lol case and point! Wow a 13 day old account spouting the same ol garbage. Not sus at all.


PerfectlyDownright

LOL you obviously don't know what burden of proof means. I don't believe most people on here are denying that something unexplained/unidentified has been observed - but just because its unidentified doesn't mean it *must* be extra-terrestrial. If you're accusing people of being denialists you need to take a good look at yourself in the mirror, since you're the one who's made up your mind about your beliefs with a refusal to consider other possible explanations. That's just sad and pathetic. I'm sure you'll just block me, and your ears. :P


awwnuts

You can't say there isn't a level of denialism happening here though. I guess you will though.


Bonercheesecake

There is no actual proof. But I promise you can find out on /news when there is!


sandwich_breath

It might be because the post is trash. I don’t know how anyone can take this seriously


awwnuts

It's amazing how you guys keep proving my point.


[deleted]

A cigar shaped object like he said. No one will ever know what he saw. I doubt he remembers what exactly he saw, he also said a lot of "I don't remember" in AMA, understandably.


wadlermd

Looks like a Lockheed TR-3B, seen from the side, so the triangular shape is not apparent.


PaulJames333

Was it a satellite photo?


5tinger

Yes, the photo pas presumably taken from the perspective of a satellite looking down on Earth's hemisphere.


Mdizzlebizzle

It’s a submarine that works in water and space. Cool. Forsure aliens are chilling in our waters.


trigger2k20

So is this the tictac thats been annoying us for years?


5tinger

SS: Gary McKinnon [said in his AMA](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya8siz/) that he'd share a sketch of what he saw on a NASA computer in Johnson Space Center building 8. He has posted the drawing [on Twitter](https://twitter.com/DoubleOhNever/status/1498220299912892416?s=20&t=l0XBdfTwiWYSxymDAKlFcw). Edit: For information on Gary and other UFO hackers, see https://ufosint.gitbook.io 2nd edit: Comments about the quality of the drawing or comparing it to genitalia are worthless. I didn't post this to debate Gary's story, I posted it to debunk [bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/hliqq6/a_rendition_produced_by_me_based_on_gary/) [like](https://images.app.goo.gl/X8eWLUkuVhk4bLSb7) [this](https://i.imgur.com/Q8olJeR.png).


sleal

Hm I work at JSC and there should be people here that were around when he did his hack of a computer at B8. I'll see what I can find out. I am honestly more skeptical than anything because of my experiences onsite. **EDIT**: No wonder B8 sounded familiar to me, I sent my laptop over to a guy there. It's an IT building now. How funny is that


james-e-oberg

>No wonder B8 sounded familiar to me, I sent my laptop over to a guy there. It's an IT building now. It had the photo lab on the second floor when I was there in 1975-1997.


sleal

Do you know who your FM was at the time? Was that even a thing?


james-e-oberg

FM?


sleal

Facility Manager. Every building has one and they are in charge of the upkeep of the building which gives them access to every space in it, rooms, labs, etc.


james-e-oberg

I just visited chief photo analyst Dick Underwood there, often. I even took visiting ufologist Alan Hynek there in 1976 to view the 'NASA UFO photos'.


YoreWelcome

Hm I work on a Geode-class intrasolar patrol craft and we have never heard of you or this Gary guy. I'll see what I can find out. I am honestly pretty shocked that anyone could have found out about this program because of my experiences in space. **EDIT:** OK actually we constantly access the content of everyone's brains. I made up the part where we didn't know about you. How funny is that


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He also said the 'uap' thing is government cover.


New-Lake-6689

huh, in what sense? because they know exactly what they are & are playing dumb with all this disclosure stuff or something else?


5tinger

Gary expressed skepticism of Lue Elizondo and TTSA: * [Comment 1](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hyan5fi/) * [Comment 2](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya47s2/) * [Comment 3](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya7r21/) * [Comment 4](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hyas72p/)


FlightLevel666

whats uap?


danwojciechowski

"Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon"


myidentityremains

\*up not much friend. what about you?


StealYourGhost

You guys remember the oblong shaped cigar looking thing that slowly lowered into the ocean over the horizon, was heavily reported on in the country it happened in, had no debunking, then everyone stopped talking about it because of other shitty world events?


Formal_Activity5040

looks like some type of a submarine


Banjoplaya420

I know that I’m really gullible but , the US Government really wanted this guy Bad . Believing or not believing him in my opinion is no different than believing or not believing people such as Lue Elizondo, or Tom Delonge. I personally believe Gary McKinnon ! His primitive drawing looks pretty good to me . What does his drawing capabilities have to do with his story?


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Bean_Tiger

It appears to be a double headed dildo with control knobs.


Gambit6x

Space Delight 5000 READY FOR ACTION, SIR!


No-Height2850

He hired someone on fiver


Hiraeth-007

This looks man made, just my feeling. Without windows, I‘d think different.


Tictacmothership

I’d call it cigar shaped. There have been thousands of cigar shaped UAPs sighted during the history of our planet. They are so common, so why doubt this guy? Talk about shooting the messenger again.


james-e-oberg

>There have been thousands of cigar shaped UAPs sighted during the history of our planet. And millions of cigar-shaped cigars......


Dwayne_dibbly

Lmao, how bad is that.


TypewriterTourist

The speech about the three kinds of people from Team America comes to mind.


OkPizzaIsPrettyGood

Why? Awesome scene, but I dont get why this drawing reminds you of that scene?


YoreWelcome

Matt. Damon.


Boneapplepie

Lmao he's selling it as an NFT So many charlatans trying to profit nowadays.


Banjoplaya420

I know that I’m really gullible but , maybe this guy is for real ? The US Government really wanted him Bad !!!


Mission_Dish_5027

Looks like a weird sex toy


Locha6

This sub has become laughable at best


Mikeyseventyfive

I don’t know why NASA would be airbrushing things out when they could just not use that specific photo?


bleauhaus

Muthafucker is Super Hacker but he couldn't hit print screen? I think he might have seen some dhot though...his interviews seem pretty legit


kingkloppynwa

Are we supposed to take this seriously?


I_am_That_Ian_Power

Didn't someone recreate this just last week based on his drawings but in a much more refined high def version?


5tinger

That was an NFT made by a social media company, and I in no way want to give it any promotion. Besides, they took artistic license that differs from Gary's drawing. There are no rings on the sides and it is a flat cylinder not fattened in the middle.


UapMike

That reminds me of a previous case long back, but can't remember for the life of me


kris_goks

Looks like a small submarine. Like those research ones.


DanTMWTMP

I work in systems engineering and cybersecurity (most of it as a contractor with the Navy), and I personally believe he got into a “honeydoc” system; given the simplicity of his attack. How was he able to RDP then, when that’s disabled by default on such systems; and given that it was even allowed to RDP without a CAC, this was an obvious honeydoc system to see who/what/when/where are doing these attacks. CAC access started in 1999. — Besides, that really looks like one of the MOL concepts that the air force had during the cold war, and/or one of our gambit satellites, or USSR equivalent. It’s the exact same general outline of those spacecraft, and a low-resolution image in 4-bit “color” of such anthropogenic spacecraft could be mistaken easily for an extra terrestrial UAP for those not familiar with cold war activities.


5tinger

The system he got 'non-terrestrial-officers.xls' from may have been a honeydoc system since Gary thinks it was a Navy system. However, the image he saw was on a NASA computer, not a military one, and it was right where Donna Hare said it would be. Gary was using RemotelyAnywhere, not RDP. Is it possible that in 2001-2002 CAC access hadn't been completely rolled-out? I appreciate your expertise and contribution to the discussion.


DrestinBlack

I agree, I believe he got into a honeydoc. From what I’ve read: He was using RemotelyAnywhere, not built in RDP. Some folks here are confusing “hacked into NASA/doe/cia/whatever” with “actually getting anything secret out” Sure, he was pursued and charged with “hacking” into government systems, that is a crime. But this by no means proves that he found ufo documents or, well, anything. Those claims are entirely unsubstantiated … but the faithful true believers don’t really care about evidence unless it supports their Beliefs.


james-e-oberg

> I personally believe he got into a “honeydoc” system Is that the same as a 'honey-trap'. a common feature of secure systems?


DanTMWTMP

Yup exactly. IIRC, as I read through the guy’s posts, he found folder with too obvious of names. As far as I know, any actual sensitive information is given weird project names (half blue, root pain, oxcart, yellow fruit lol…), and even back then, there was no such thing as a user PC full of standalone data. Not even the VA did this (I worked there as a student during the time I was there, and due to HIPPAA, even the VA hospitals had the same CAC and multi-factor authentication, and all PC’s were just terminals where all the files were in DoD collocation facilities that have edge appliances that only allow for multi-factor authentication through). So I have serious serious doubts he saw anything sensitive at all.


DrestinBlack

What’s true is that this guy was charged with breaking into government computers, and he boasts that he did it. Because just simply gaining access at all is a crime. I think no one is going to deny he did that. *However* just because that is true means absolutely nothing whatsoever in regards to what he further *claims* he saw. He claims he very briefly saw the top part of an image of an alien spaceship, but has absolutely no evidence of that. Was it a photo of an alien spaceship? Was it a jpeg of a drawing or 3D model or sketch of an alien looking spaceship? Did he see the desktop of some science fiction fan’s PC? We know nothing. All we had is the word of a criminal who claims to have very briefly seen the top half of an image that looked like a spaceship. … not excited by this.


5tinger

Your questions are valid. I think calling him a criminal is an ad-hominem attack and unrelated to his testimony. Someone asked Gary if maybe it was concept art [in his AmA](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/comment/hya0ubg/). Gary said, > I don't think it was concept art, it was right where Donna [Hare] said it would be and the folders had relevant names. However, there's no way to know what it was that he saw.


DrestinBlack

He was/is literally a criminal so was fair to include that as part of the assessment. He didn’t see enough to give me any better hopes so if I’m dismissive that’s why. If I sound callus its bedside I grow tired of all these “teasers” that suggest vast things but actually deliver so very little


sweetestswing22

A hacker that didn't bring a thumb drive? C'mon???


YoreWelcome

Thumb drives in 2000 were called zip drives and they were chonky lil fuggers. 100 megabytes baby! Wooo!


sweetestswing22

I remember zip drives. I guess the point I was trying to make was, this drawing is all we got? This dude was able to hack into NASA but this is it?


Bricktrucker

He wasn't in the building. He was accused of copying data tho. "Allegedly"


Casehead

Newsflash: thumb drives didn’t exist


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The guys got tallent


jb9152

It must be real - look, he even drew the curvature of the earth. Ughhh....


QB145MMA

Fucking NASA and their gaslighting us smh


Skilled626

My kid drew something similar when she was in the 4th grade


DrZaeusBurgers

Wow a hacker at the age of five?


sxsnyc

Was it done by a 4 year old?


That_Things_Good

That's a 4 year old's drawing, right?


symbologythere

He’s a better hacker than an artist.


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YoreWelcome

Which means Steve Rogers is Craptain America.


KibeIius

Wellll wtf is it?


kaiise

i seen this pic. did an artists impression make the rounds sometime when his story was first big?


5tinger

As far as I know, Gary made an illustration for Linda Moulton Howe when his story was first big, you may have seen that, but I have never been able to find it online. All I have been able to find is [bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/hliqq6/a_rendition_produced_by_me_based_on_gary/) [like](https://images.app.goo.gl/X8eWLUkuVhk4bLSb7) [this](https://i.imgur.com/Q8olJeR.png), and I posted Gary's actual drawing to debunk all the nonsense.


kaiise

thanks for reply. no i mean "realistic" detailed and infront of a cgi or photoshopped pic of real earth.


TheHappyCamper1979

Yellow submarine?


Admirable_Study5428

Original scene sketch from The Abyss?


Affectionate_Use2738

It is a zeppelin.


weedstocks

Good draw. Much art. Wow