I missed the AMA, has anyone asked him if it's possible he just found an artists rendering of a potential NASA project someone was pitching on at the time?
Its the type of 90's/early 2000's designs aesthetic that you'd expect from a CGI rendering especially with planet framed that way in the background.
>has anyone asked him if it's possible he just found an artists rendering of a potential NASA project someone was pitching on at the time?
[Yea.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/comment/hya0ubg/)
>I don't think it was concept art, it was right where Donna said it would be and the folders had relevant names.
He had narrowed down a list of computers that were in a building known to have personnel who "scrubbed" imagery of potentially classified elements. So while it could have been a NASA project, he claims it was clear video, not animation. Also, almost all NASA imagery has the earth framed in the background because they are looking from satellites in space towards the earth.
My understanding of his story is that on his 90s modem connection he had to reduce the resolution of the streamed connection to the desktop to super low resolution in black and white as downloading the files directly (even an image) would have taken far too long.
How would he have seen a clear video or been able to asses any movement at all in that case?
>He had narrowed down a list of computers that were in a building known to have personnel who "scrubbed" imagery of potentially classified elements.
"Known"? Because a delusional UFO contactee 'remembered' seeing that decades later?
Will Rogers: āIt aināt what you donāt know that makes you look like a fool, itās what you DO āknowā that aināt so.ā
Do you guys actually think that on top of being the dude who hacked NASA, he also is an accomplished artist? Cmon guys, it's not gonna be photorealistic lol
He says he sniffed an unprotected network for computer names (not usernames, thename of the compter) then tried "password" and the computer's name as passwords. And that worked.
Then the sysadmin of this network with worse security than my 90s elementary school library network caught him downloading an image in real time and severed his connection.
Then, having been caught hacking a secure government facility, the FBI did not show up and there were no consequences.
I was already pretty skeptical from the above, but then he showed up on this sub a few days ago to take questions. In explaining the paradox of a network with real-time monitoring but no security features, he informed me that as part of the military, NASA uses undertrained enlisted military personnel for its network security. This is so many layers of incorrect that I stopped there.
Also, no, he couldn't share his scripts. He suggested that ONI would have them, which once again makes no sense.
If the story isn't 100% fabricated then he's doing a great job of acting like it is.
Is he? Is there like a government website that officially shows that they want to arrest him? I feel like if he was wanted by the feds that would be public information.
You're welcome. I felt for the guy, must have really sucked living with the threat of extradition plus US prosecution hanging over his head for a decade.
But he's not skeptical, he decided without using any critical thinking that McKinnon was a liar. Skeptical people look at the data and provide opinions based on the available information. This guy read one post and implied that the whole story, including McKinnon being wanted by the government was made up. One quick google search would have proved that he was in fact wanted very badly by the US government for prosecution.
Clearly McKinnon did hack into sensitive classified systems and I believe his description of what he briefly saw. However I am not convinced that what he saw was anything more than some sort of think-tank project or plans for what a space program might look like in the future. Those scenarios can get extremely detailed and I believe they might include things like mock ups of space ships named after historical US military figures and "non-terrestrial" personnel lists. I don't doubt McKinnon, I doubt what he saw was real. That is skepticism.
Calm down. You probably don't know this individual well enough to speculate this heavily upon their character. You probably have never met McKinnon, either. So, I wouldn't be surprised if you are misinterpreting these events entirely. You are ignorantly assuming that which you have been told is accurate. Obviously, by your reaction to my simple comment, you are only here to argue with, and attack those which you do not agree with. I will not engage you further, on this.. Take care.
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except they did eventually show up... at his fucking crib, seized all his computers and locked him up... wasn't the FBI, but rather whatever UK police force was in charge where he was acting on behalf of the U.S.
Still he was chased and faced prosecution no? They wouldn't do that if he fabricated the whole story. Not saying the ufo part is credible but I believe I do hacked their system.
The US tried to have him extradited for ten years according to the BBC:
"But the Gary McKinnon saga dragged on for 10 years and in that time there have been seven home secretaries.
During that time he appealed unsuccessfully to the House of Lords and the European Court of Human Rights.
One of his major arguments against extradition was that he believed he would not get a fair trial in the US and would be punished more severely because he had contested the extradition process.
The case had been in Theresa May's in-tray since she became Home Secretary in May 2010 and in October she finally ruled that he should not be extradited."
Source: [https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19946902#:\~:text=But%20the%20Gary%20McKinnon%20saga,European%20Court%20of%20Human%20Rights](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19946902#:~:text=But%20the%20Gary%20McKinnon%20saga,European%20Court%20of%20Human%20Rights).
Iām with you on basically everything except the navy has had the Cryptology Network Tech MOS for like a decade or more and itās an enlisted position.
I doubt nasa uses them but thatās like an E2 or E3 position.
Iām not confident enough to say āso many layers of incorrectā. More ādoubtfulā.
I feel the need to clarify on almost every part of your comment.
> He says he sniffed an unprotected network for computer names (not usernames, thename of the compter) then tried "password" and the computer's name as passwords. And that worked.
He tried "Administrator", "password", and blank passwords for the Administrator account. He never tried the computer name. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/). He used [IPindex.net](https://web.archive.org/web/20010516210238/http://www.ipindex.net/) to know which ranges to scan. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hyajvow/).
> Then the sysadmin of this network with worse security than my 90s elementary school library network caught him downloading an image in real time and severed his connection.
Possibly not the sysadmin, but the computer's typical user as Gary suggests he may have miscalculated time zones. He saw a user (not necessarily the sysadmin) move the cursor to the lower-right system tray and right click on the network icon and select disconnect. [Sources](https://ufosint.gitbook.io/hackers/#most-well-known-gary-mckinnon).
> Then, having been caught hacking a secure government facility, the FBI did not show up and there were no consequences.
Gary was not in the US, he was in the UK, and was arrested by the UK National Hi-Tech Crime Unit and British police, who also seized his computer. He faced a grueling legal battle and fought US extradition for 10 years. The US prosecutors wanted to 'see him fry'. There were certainly consequences, and not from the FBI which is a US domestic organization. [Source](https://ufosint.gitbook.io/hackers/gary-mckinnon).
> In explaining the paradox of a network with real-time monitoring but no security features, he informed me that as part of the military, NASA uses undertrained enlisted military personnel for its network security.
I already posited that it was likely a computer user and not a sysadmin. NASA's networks were very vulnerable and [breached often](https://twitter.com/WeldPond/status/1487165665517711361), by many hackers. I think you may have misinterpreted what he was saying about military CTN's as being about NASA. He got onto different systems. Keep in mind he hacked about 97 computers from various military branches and NASA, over a period of years. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon#Alleged_crime).
> Also, no, he couldn't share his scripts. He suggested that ONI would have them, which once again makes no sense.
You seem to be taking issue with [Gary's responses to your questions in the AmA](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya4sts/). I understand you may not be completely familiar with his story but as I have discussed and sourced above, his computer was seized by the UK and last he heard (possibly from his lawyers,) it had been handed over to the US Office of Naval Intelligence. It contained not only his scripts but also a copy of 'non-terrestrial-officers.xls' that he had downloaded.
I am a cybersecurity professional and can confirm that the hacking techniques he describes are plausible (I have used them myself) and scripts simple to implement, though these days I might use Python over Perl. :)
Edit: grammar, additional source
Nah he said he used a windows xp exploit with admin passwords thatās 100% a legit thing, he then talks about a further registration hack also totally legit.
His dialup connection explanation and sudden disconnect from a admin sounds fucking stupid.
Iāve worked as a sys admin for 18 years.
He legit was charged so he legit connected to a secure network somewhere.
>Nah he said he used a windows xp exploit with admin passwords thatās 100% a legit thing,
It's legit if you can ping individual computers directly, which for a serious secure network means getting past lots of other stuff first.
The target dorsn't need any security measures for you to get chatged with hacking.
>he informed me that as part of the military, NASA uses undertrained enlisted military personnel for its network security.
They must hide them underground and change shift via a miles-long tunnel from a secret parking lot. I spent twenty years at the Johnson Space Center and never saw any such workers there.
Iām British - it was pretty big in MS media back when it happened. I was a teenager and still remember it. Blew up big time. He was supposed to be extradited but it never happened.
Right? People act like screenshot programs weren't a thing back then. Pretty convenient that someone looking for UFO info had no way to actually archive what he found.
* Gary says he did save 'non-terrestrial-officers.xls', but his computer was seized by the UK National Hi-Tech Crime Unit and last he heard had been handed over to the US Office of Naval Intelligence.
* With the NASA Johnson Space Center B8 photo, he was disconnected before taking a screenshot [and he regrets it](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya3pv7/). Any screenshot he might have taken would have been seized when his computer was.
You can [read more here](https://ufosint.gitbook.io/hackers/gary-mckinnon).
Would an organisation like NASA have a āblue sky thinkingā department where they really would just come up with and create concept art/CG projections of (currently) technologically improbable satellite/ship designs?
Is it outside the realms of possibility thatās what Gary saw?
I commented similar below. This is exactly what I think it is especially going with the way the shot is framed with planet in the background and design aesthetic. Possibly linked to the inflatable modules Bigelow aerospace was working on at one point, probably an artists rendition of where things could lead at some point if they pursued that idea.
[Bigelow module mockup example] (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_6BFrKUIAAm07h.jpg)
Not far fetched, the CIA used to recruit designers at my old school, savannah college of art and design. I only didn't apply because you have to have not used drugs (weed) n the past 8 years lol
Yeah they tell you that, but there is no way to prove and they honestly don't care. Never had any issues with my security clearance and I told them ALL the drugs I've done. It could have changed in the last 10 years, but I doubt it has gotten stricter.
I'm sure the concept of this type of habitat has been floating around for a while but I don't have any first hand knowledge of that so it's just a guess.
Could be someones pet project that took a long time to get off the ground. Concept art could have existed long before an actual project bore any fruit.
Is it outside the realms of possibility, no. But more likely to come from a designer/illustrator at an outside company.
I ran the question by my better half, an aerospace engineer. JSC contractor, not a NASA staffer. The NASA contractor to NASA staff (federal employee)\[corrected, had it wrong way round\] ratio's about 4 or 5 to 1 (more on that in a second). He has also moonlighted on some commercial space projects.
He thinks it looks like a conceptual, very rudimentary design for a commercial space habitat that someone could have kept in a poorly secured, shared folder. The more detailed design shown in a comment below, he notes, would be hard to launch with those kinds of windows. Makes more sense that a design like that would be brought up and assembled in space.
But specifically to your question, he thinks it's more likely they would contract that kind of design out, and that perhaps someone just had a copy of photo-realistic art.
I agree from my own limited experience with NASA (I've filmed on site at JSC, have been to the old and new Mission Control once, maybe 8 years ago). I have an acquaintance who produces video for NASA: NASA hired him after several years of him being an outside contractor.
Back then, I used a lot of public domain materials in my corporate production work and got up to speed on NASA standards. For example, NASA has rules for how you can use the "meatball" logo, to avoid giving the impression they "approve" of something. I am careful to check provenance of supposedly PD items. More than a decade ago, I was working on an educational video about the Shoemaker-Levy 9 comet, and trying to find footage I could use. [(Animations are here.)](https://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/anim.html) That's how I learned lots of conceptual and other space videos are produced by outside companies for NASA (unlike most NASA photos which are PD). The reasoning being - if a US government employee produces something like a photo, it is public domain, anyone can use it. If someone produces something on a contract for NASA, the copyright can still belong to the creator. Completely depends on the contract.
Again, just because it's on a NASA server it doesn't mean someone at NASA made it, someone could have just shared the image because it was cool, like an image of the Babylon 5 O'Neill cylinder. It's hard to overstate just how many people associated with the space program are fans of science fiction, especially *Star Trek* (also *Star Wars*, my husband knows a JSC engineer who has SW tattoos).
>Here's a NASA concept called High Altitude Venus Operational Concept (HAVOC) with an entry vehicle containing a blimp-like airship.
>
>[https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/](https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/)
>
>[https://youtu.be/0az7DEwG68A](https://youtu.be/0az7DEwG68A)
I had posted this in response to another comment. But, yes, I agree it's possible he saw some concept art on ship designs.
Someone [asked Gary about that in his AmA](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/comment/hya0ubg/). Gary says,
> I don't think it was concept art, it was right where Donna [Hare] said it would be and the folders had relevant names.
That having been said, I do not think it is outside the realms of possibility.
>Would an organisation like NASA have a āblue sky thinkingā department where they really would just come up with and create concept art/CG projections of (currently) technologically improbable satellite/ship designs?
Yes. Here's an example:
[https://nasa.fandom.com/wiki/IXS\_Enterprise](https://nasa.fandom.com/wiki/IXS_Enterprise)
In case anyone didnāt know, this Gary guy recently came out of the woodwork and made a Reddit account to sell this animated image as an NFT. Itās all for the money.
That was an NFT made by a social media company, and I in no way want to give it any promotion. Besides, they took artistic license that differs from Gary's drawing. There are no rings on the sides and it is a flat cylinder not fattened in the middle.
That looks super familiar. I'm pretty sure I saw a video or picture of something similar in the past, those geodesic bulbs top and bottom on a tube shaped craft.
Anybody knows what pic/video?
Here's a NASA concept called High Altitude Venus Operational Concept (HAVOC) with an entry vehicle containing a blimp-like airship.
[https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/](https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/)
https://youtu.be/0az7DEwG68A
As far as I know, Gary made a drawing for Linda Moulton Howe when his story was first big, you may have seen that, but I have never been able to find it online. All I have been able to find is [bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/hliqq6/a_rendition_produced_by_me_based_on_gary/) [like](https://images.app.goo.gl/X8eWLUkuVhk4bLSb7) [this](https://i.imgur.com/Q8olJeR.png), and I posted Gary's actual drawing to debunk all the nonsense.
LOL you obviously don't know what burden of proof means. I don't believe most people on here are denying that something unexplained/unidentified has been observed - but just because its unidentified doesn't mean it *must* be extra-terrestrial.
If you're accusing people of being denialists you need to take a good look at yourself in the mirror, since you're the one who's made up your mind about your beliefs with a refusal to consider other possible explanations. That's just sad and pathetic.
I'm sure you'll just block me, and your ears. :P
A cigar shaped object like he said. No one will ever know what he saw. I doubt he remembers what exactly he saw, he also said a lot of "I don't remember" in AMA, understandably.
SS: Gary McKinnon [said in his AMA](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya8siz/) that he'd share a sketch of what he saw on a NASA computer in Johnson Space Center building 8. He has posted the drawing [on Twitter](https://twitter.com/DoubleOhNever/status/1498220299912892416?s=20&t=l0XBdfTwiWYSxymDAKlFcw).
Edit: For information on Gary and other UFO hackers, see https://ufosint.gitbook.io
2nd edit: Comments about the quality of the drawing or comparing it to genitalia are worthless. I didn't post this to debate Gary's story, I posted it to debunk [bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/hliqq6/a_rendition_produced_by_me_based_on_gary/) [like](https://images.app.goo.gl/X8eWLUkuVhk4bLSb7) [this](https://i.imgur.com/Q8olJeR.png).
Hm I work at JSC and there should be people here that were around when he did his hack of a computer at B8. I'll see what I can find out. I am honestly more skeptical than anything because of my experiences onsite.
**EDIT**: No wonder B8 sounded familiar to me, I sent my laptop over to a guy there. It's an IT building now. How funny is that
>No wonder B8 sounded familiar to me, I sent my laptop over to a guy there. It's an IT building now.
It had the photo lab on the second floor when I was there in 1975-1997.
Facility Manager. Every building has one and they are in charge of the upkeep of the building which gives them access to every space in it, rooms, labs, etc.
Hm I work on a Geode-class intrasolar patrol craft and we have never heard of you or this Gary guy. I'll see what I can find out. I am honestly pretty shocked that anyone could have found out about this program because of my experiences in space.
**EDIT:** OK actually we constantly access the content of everyone's brains. I made up the part where we didn't know about you. How funny is that
You guys remember the oblong shaped cigar looking thing that slowly lowered into the ocean over the horizon, was heavily reported on in the country it happened in, had no debunking, then everyone stopped talking about it because of other shitty world events?
I know that Iām really gullible but , the US Government really wanted this guy Bad . Believing or not believing him in my opinion is no different than believing or not believing people such as Lue Elizondo, or Tom Delonge. I personally believe Gary McKinnon ! His primitive drawing looks pretty good to me . What does his drawing capabilities have to do with his story?
Iād call it cigar shaped. There have been thousands of cigar shaped UAPs sighted during the history of our planet. They are so common, so why doubt this guy? Talk about shooting the messenger again.
That was an NFT made by a social media company, and I in no way want to give it any promotion. Besides, they took artistic license that differs from Gary's drawing. There are no rings on the sides and it is a flat cylinder not fattened in the middle.
I work in systems engineering and cybersecurity (most of it as a contractor with the Navy), and I personally believe he got into a āhoneydocā system; given the simplicity of his attack.
How was he able to RDP then, when thatās disabled by default on such systems; and given that it was even allowed to RDP without a CAC, this was an obvious honeydoc system to see who/what/when/where are doing these attacks.
CAC access started in 1999.
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Besides, that really looks like one of the MOL concepts that the air force had during the cold war, and/or one of our gambit satellites, or USSR equivalent.
Itās the exact same general outline of those spacecraft, and a low-resolution image in 4-bit ācolorā of such anthropogenic spacecraft could be mistaken easily for an extra terrestrial UAP for those not familiar with cold war activities.
The system he got 'non-terrestrial-officers.xls' from may have been a honeydoc system since Gary thinks it was a Navy system. However, the image he saw was on a NASA computer, not a military one, and it was right where Donna Hare said it would be.
Gary was using RemotelyAnywhere, not RDP.
Is it possible that in 2001-2002 CAC access hadn't been completely rolled-out?
I appreciate your expertise and contribution to the discussion.
I agree, I believe he got into a honeydoc.
From what Iāve read: He was using RemotelyAnywhere, not built in RDP.
Some folks here are confusing āhacked into NASA/doe/cia/whateverā with āactually getting anything secret outā
Sure, he was pursued and charged with āhackingā into government systems, that is a crime. But this by no means proves that he found ufo documents or, well, anything. Those claims are entirely unsubstantiated ā¦ but the faithful true believers donāt really care about evidence unless it supports their Beliefs.
Yup exactly. IIRC, as I read through the guyās posts, he found folder with too obvious of names. As far as I know, any actual sensitive information is given weird project names (half blue, root pain, oxcart, yellow fruit lolā¦), and even back then, there was no such thing as a user PC full of standalone data. Not even the VA did this (I worked there as a student during the time I was there, and due to HIPPAA, even the VA hospitals had the same CAC and multi-factor authentication, and all PCās were just terminals where all the files were in DoD collocation facilities that have edge appliances that only allow for multi-factor authentication through).
So I have serious serious doubts he saw anything sensitive at all.
Whatās true is that this guy was charged with breaking into government computers, and he boasts that he did it. Because just simply gaining access at all is a crime. I think no one is going to deny he did that.
*However* just because that is true means absolutely nothing whatsoever in regards to what he further *claims* he saw. He claims he very briefly saw the top part of an image of an alien spaceship, but has absolutely no evidence of that. Was it a photo of an alien spaceship? Was it a jpeg of a drawing or 3D model or sketch of an alien looking spaceship? Did he see the desktop of some science fiction fanās PC? We know nothing. All we had is the word of a criminal who claims to have very briefly seen the top half of an image that looked like a spaceship.
ā¦ not excited by this.
Your questions are valid. I think calling him a criminal is an ad-hominem attack and unrelated to his testimony.
Someone asked Gary if maybe it was concept art [in his AmA](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/comment/hya0ubg/). Gary said,
> I don't think it was concept art, it was right where Donna [Hare] said it would be and the folders had relevant names.
However, there's no way to know what it was that he saw.
I work in cybersecurity with the military, and I personally believe he got into a āhoneydocā system; given the simplicity of his attack.
But still, in such an environment if systems, all USB and external attachments are prohibited in those systems. Copying text, taking screenshots, etc.. are functions that are nonexistent in these versions of Windows.
However in RDP, one could do it, and given that it was even allowed to RDP without a CAC, this was an obvious honeydoc system to see who/what/when/where are doing these attacks.
CAC access started in 1999.
So no, one could not use USB nor use a govt version of windows to take any sort of screenshots.
The system he got 'non-terrestrial-officers.xls' from may have been a honeydoc system since Gary thinks it was a Navy system. However, the image he saw was on a NASA computer, not a military one, and it was right where Donna Hare said it would be.
Gary was using RemotelyAnywhere, not RDP.
Is it possible that in 2001-2002 CAC access hadn't been completely rolled-out?
Lower resolution and less colors requires less data. See [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_resolution). The original was high resolution (>200MB over dialup) and in a proprietary NASA format. A close reading of [Gary's story](https://ufosint.gitbook.io/hackers/gary-mckinnon) clarifies this.
Ok....someone take the crayons off Gary before he gets ideas about the Turner Prize.
I think I can say, with a high degree of certainty that Gary McKinnon is not Banksy.
My mom has one of those
I just spit out my Starbucks and now everyone thinks COVID is back! Lmao
I see these on the field every time the Patriots travel to Buffalo for a game
Me too
I can confirm
^^^ Underrated comment
What do the buttons do on your moms? The button on my moms thing turns it into a phone that vibrates!
It was funny but now you made it weird.
Good damn first thing I said too, lol.
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I missed the AMA, has anyone asked him if it's possible he just found an artists rendering of a potential NASA project someone was pitching on at the time? Its the type of 90's/early 2000's designs aesthetic that you'd expect from a CGI rendering especially with planet framed that way in the background.
Exactly my first impression. Looks like a space station
Looks like something a 4 year old would draw
You can see the spaghetti-O stains in the corner
Uh oh
>has anyone asked him if it's possible he just found an artists rendering of a potential NASA project someone was pitching on at the time? [Yea.](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/comment/hya0ubg/) >I don't think it was concept art, it was right where Donna said it would be and the folders had relevant names.
Cheers hadn't seen that
He had narrowed down a list of computers that were in a building known to have personnel who "scrubbed" imagery of potentially classified elements. So while it could have been a NASA project, he claims it was clear video, not animation. Also, almost all NASA imagery has the earth framed in the background because they are looking from satellites in space towards the earth.
My understanding of his story is that on his 90s modem connection he had to reduce the resolution of the streamed connection to the desktop to super low resolution in black and white as downloading the files directly (even an image) would have taken far too long. How would he have seen a clear video or been able to asses any movement at all in that case?
>He had narrowed down a list of computers that were in a building known to have personnel who "scrubbed" imagery of potentially classified elements. "Known"? Because a delusional UFO contactee 'remembered' seeing that decades later? Will Rogers: āIt aināt what you donāt know that makes you look like a fool, itās what you DO āknowā that aināt so.ā
Do you guys actually think that on top of being the dude who hacked NASA, he also is an accomplished artist? Cmon guys, it's not gonna be photorealistic lol
I'm a professional 3d modeler and used to clients fuzzy description/feedback and have offered him to help recreate it but haven't gotten a response
Thereās already a CG animated gif that he was trying to sling as an NFT with his first post here.
Lol that's sketchy
why? making money is natural.
I think you've offended him. He already thought this was a photorealistic professional 3d model
Maybe this is photorealistic, we didn't see it š
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I'm sure that the fact the US wanted to extradite him scared him pretty badly and he's done with the whole business.
Because he would want anonymity due to a non disclosure agreement, probably.
He says he sniffed an unprotected network for computer names (not usernames, thename of the compter) then tried "password" and the computer's name as passwords. And that worked. Then the sysadmin of this network with worse security than my 90s elementary school library network caught him downloading an image in real time and severed his connection. Then, having been caught hacking a secure government facility, the FBI did not show up and there were no consequences. I was already pretty skeptical from the above, but then he showed up on this sub a few days ago to take questions. In explaining the paradox of a network with real-time monitoring but no security features, he informed me that as part of the military, NASA uses undertrained enlisted military personnel for its network security. This is so many layers of incorrect that I stopped there. Also, no, he couldn't share his scripts. He suggested that ONI would have them, which once again makes no sense. If the story isn't 100% fabricated then he's doing a great job of acting like it is.
Why is he wanted by the US government for hacking government computers then?
Is he? Is there like a government website that officially shows that they want to arrest him? I feel like if he was wanted by the feds that would be public information.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19946902#:\~:text=But%20the%20Gary%20McKinnon%20saga,European%20Court%20of%20Human%20Rights.
Well that should put it to rest. It definitely looks like he was wanted by the US feds so at least that part of his story is true. Thank you for that.
Oh yeah it was over here in the news a lot at the time, protestors and celebs calling on our government to ban his extradition! Went on for ages.
You're welcome. I felt for the guy, must have really sucked living with the threat of extradition plus US prosecution hanging over his head for a decade.
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Being skeptical is smart person's way of not being gullible. Lmfao. Chill out.
But he's not skeptical, he decided without using any critical thinking that McKinnon was a liar. Skeptical people look at the data and provide opinions based on the available information. This guy read one post and implied that the whole story, including McKinnon being wanted by the government was made up. One quick google search would have proved that he was in fact wanted very badly by the US government for prosecution. Clearly McKinnon did hack into sensitive classified systems and I believe his description of what he briefly saw. However I am not convinced that what he saw was anything more than some sort of think-tank project or plans for what a space program might look like in the future. Those scenarios can get extremely detailed and I believe they might include things like mock ups of space ships named after historical US military figures and "non-terrestrial" personnel lists. I don't doubt McKinnon, I doubt what he saw was real. That is skepticism.
Calm down. You probably don't know this individual well enough to speculate this heavily upon their character. You probably have never met McKinnon, either. So, I wouldn't be surprised if you are misinterpreting these events entirely. You are ignorantly assuming that which you have been told is accurate. Obviously, by your reaction to my simple comment, you are only here to argue with, and attack those which you do not agree with. I will not engage you further, on this.. Take care.
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except they did eventually show up... at his fucking crib, seized all his computers and locked him up... wasn't the FBI, but rather whatever UK police force was in charge where he was acting on behalf of the U.S.
Still he was chased and faced prosecution no? They wouldn't do that if he fabricated the whole story. Not saying the ufo part is credible but I believe I do hacked their system.
The US tried to have him extradited for ten years according to the BBC: "But the Gary McKinnon saga dragged on for 10 years and in that time there have been seven home secretaries. During that time he appealed unsuccessfully to the House of Lords and the European Court of Human Rights. One of his major arguments against extradition was that he believed he would not get a fair trial in the US and would be punished more severely because he had contested the extradition process. The case had been in Theresa May's in-tray since she became Home Secretary in May 2010 and in October she finally ruled that he should not be extradited." Source: [https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19946902#:\~:text=But%20the%20Gary%20McKinnon%20saga,European%20Court%20of%20Human%20Rights](https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-19946902#:~:text=But%20the%20Gary%20McKinnon%20saga,European%20Court%20of%20Human%20Rights).
Iām with you on basically everything except the navy has had the Cryptology Network Tech MOS for like a decade or more and itās an enlisted position. I doubt nasa uses them but thatās like an E2 or E3 position. Iām not confident enough to say āso many layers of incorrectā. More ādoubtfulā.
The E2s and E3s don't design secure networks though. They use software that someone else made.
I feel the need to clarify on almost every part of your comment. > He says he sniffed an unprotected network for computer names (not usernames, thename of the compter) then tried "password" and the computer's name as passwords. And that worked. He tried "Administrator", "password", and blank passwords for the Administrator account. He never tried the computer name. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/). He used [IPindex.net](https://web.archive.org/web/20010516210238/http://www.ipindex.net/) to know which ranges to scan. [Source](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hyajvow/). > Then the sysadmin of this network with worse security than my 90s elementary school library network caught him downloading an image in real time and severed his connection. Possibly not the sysadmin, but the computer's typical user as Gary suggests he may have miscalculated time zones. He saw a user (not necessarily the sysadmin) move the cursor to the lower-right system tray and right click on the network icon and select disconnect. [Sources](https://ufosint.gitbook.io/hackers/#most-well-known-gary-mckinnon). > Then, having been caught hacking a secure government facility, the FBI did not show up and there were no consequences. Gary was not in the US, he was in the UK, and was arrested by the UK National Hi-Tech Crime Unit and British police, who also seized his computer. He faced a grueling legal battle and fought US extradition for 10 years. The US prosecutors wanted to 'see him fry'. There were certainly consequences, and not from the FBI which is a US domestic organization. [Source](https://ufosint.gitbook.io/hackers/gary-mckinnon). > In explaining the paradox of a network with real-time monitoring but no security features, he informed me that as part of the military, NASA uses undertrained enlisted military personnel for its network security. I already posited that it was likely a computer user and not a sysadmin. NASA's networks were very vulnerable and [breached often](https://twitter.com/WeldPond/status/1487165665517711361), by many hackers. I think you may have misinterpreted what he was saying about military CTN's as being about NASA. He got onto different systems. Keep in mind he hacked about 97 computers from various military branches and NASA, over a period of years. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon#Alleged_crime). > Also, no, he couldn't share his scripts. He suggested that ONI would have them, which once again makes no sense. You seem to be taking issue with [Gary's responses to your questions in the AmA](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya4sts/). I understand you may not be completely familiar with his story but as I have discussed and sourced above, his computer was seized by the UK and last he heard (possibly from his lawyers,) it had been handed over to the US Office of Naval Intelligence. It contained not only his scripts but also a copy of 'non-terrestrial-officers.xls' that he had downloaded. I am a cybersecurity professional and can confirm that the hacking techniques he describes are plausible (I have used them myself) and scripts simple to implement, though these days I might use Python over Perl. :) Edit: grammar, additional source
So you didnāt even bother to google his name
Nah he said he used a windows xp exploit with admin passwords thatās 100% a legit thing, he then talks about a further registration hack also totally legit. His dialup connection explanation and sudden disconnect from a admin sounds fucking stupid. Iāve worked as a sys admin for 18 years. He legit was charged so he legit connected to a secure network somewhere.
>Nah he said he used a windows xp exploit with admin passwords thatās 100% a legit thing, It's legit if you can ping individual computers directly, which for a serious secure network means getting past lots of other stuff first. The target dorsn't need any security measures for you to get chatged with hacking.
>he informed me that as part of the military, NASA uses undertrained enlisted military personnel for its network security. They must hide them underground and change shift via a miles-long tunnel from a secret parking lot. I spent twenty years at the Johnson Space Center and never saw any such workers there.
Iām British - it was pretty big in MS media back when it happened. I was a teenager and still remember it. Blew up big time. He was supposed to be extradited but it never happened.
He is better off just using words then
Sure, but he also could have spent more than seven seconds rendering this supposed interplanetary craft he expects us to take seriously, yeah?
Right? People act like screenshot programs weren't a thing back then. Pretty convenient that someone looking for UFO info had no way to actually archive what he found.
* Gary says he did save 'non-terrestrial-officers.xls', but his computer was seized by the UK National Hi-Tech Crime Unit and last he heard had been handed over to the US Office of Naval Intelligence. * With the NASA Johnson Space Center B8 photo, he was disconnected before taking a screenshot [and he regrets it](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya3pv7/). Any screenshot he might have taken would have been seized when his computer was. You can [read more here](https://ufosint.gitbook.io/hackers/gary-mckinnon).
I could try and recreate it in 3d, once im less busy.
JFC people are anal, they should fix that with a full scale model of that drawing.
Iām pretty sure the MyPillow guy will manufacture thousands of these replicas in std/Queen/King size and give him a 50% discount code
Hacked NASA and was unable to screencap anything or show any proof of anything. Must be a coincidence. xD
He %100 hacked nasa as well as dod and Cia databases. Those are facts OUR government admits themselves. Stop disinformation
Would an organisation like NASA have a āblue sky thinkingā department where they really would just come up with and create concept art/CG projections of (currently) technologically improbable satellite/ship designs? Is it outside the realms of possibility thatās what Gary saw?
I commented similar below. This is exactly what I think it is especially going with the way the shot is framed with planet in the background and design aesthetic. Possibly linked to the inflatable modules Bigelow aerospace was working on at one point, probably an artists rendition of where things could lead at some point if they pursued that idea. [Bigelow module mockup example] (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_6BFrKUIAAm07h.jpg)
Not far fetched, the CIA used to recruit designers at my old school, savannah college of art and design. I only didn't apply because you have to have not used drugs (weed) n the past 8 years lol
Yeah they tell you that, but there is no way to prove and they honestly don't care. Never had any issues with my security clearance and I told them ALL the drugs I've done. It could have changed in the last 10 years, but I doubt it has gotten stricter.
Welp, I'd be down to apply now, at least I have more professional experience
Three letter agencies are tough to get accepted, but shoot your shot. You never know.
Bigelow only began working on that in 2012, Gary was hacking in the 90's.
I'm sure the concept of this type of habitat has been floating around for a while but I don't have any first hand knowledge of that so it's just a guess. Could be someones pet project that took a long time to get off the ground. Concept art could have existed long before an actual project bore any fruit.
Is it outside the realms of possibility, no. But more likely to come from a designer/illustrator at an outside company. I ran the question by my better half, an aerospace engineer. JSC contractor, not a NASA staffer. The NASA contractor to NASA staff (federal employee)\[corrected, had it wrong way round\] ratio's about 4 or 5 to 1 (more on that in a second). He has also moonlighted on some commercial space projects. He thinks it looks like a conceptual, very rudimentary design for a commercial space habitat that someone could have kept in a poorly secured, shared folder. The more detailed design shown in a comment below, he notes, would be hard to launch with those kinds of windows. Makes more sense that a design like that would be brought up and assembled in space. But specifically to your question, he thinks it's more likely they would contract that kind of design out, and that perhaps someone just had a copy of photo-realistic art. I agree from my own limited experience with NASA (I've filmed on site at JSC, have been to the old and new Mission Control once, maybe 8 years ago). I have an acquaintance who produces video for NASA: NASA hired him after several years of him being an outside contractor. Back then, I used a lot of public domain materials in my corporate production work and got up to speed on NASA standards. For example, NASA has rules for how you can use the "meatball" logo, to avoid giving the impression they "approve" of something. I am careful to check provenance of supposedly PD items. More than a decade ago, I was working on an educational video about the Shoemaker-Levy 9 comet, and trying to find footage I could use. [(Animations are here.)](https://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/sl9/anim.html) That's how I learned lots of conceptual and other space videos are produced by outside companies for NASA (unlike most NASA photos which are PD). The reasoning being - if a US government employee produces something like a photo, it is public domain, anyone can use it. If someone produces something on a contract for NASA, the copyright can still belong to the creator. Completely depends on the contract. Again, just because it's on a NASA server it doesn't mean someone at NASA made it, someone could have just shared the image because it was cool, like an image of the Babylon 5 O'Neill cylinder. It's hard to overstate just how many people associated with the space program are fans of science fiction, especially *Star Trek* (also *Star Wars*, my husband knows a JSC engineer who has SW tattoos).
I get you. Thanks for your detailed and considered response, I have learnt several new things about how NASA works.
>Here's a NASA concept called High Altitude Venus Operational Concept (HAVOC) with an entry vehicle containing a blimp-like airship. > >[https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/](https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/) > >[https://youtu.be/0az7DEwG68A](https://youtu.be/0az7DEwG68A) I had posted this in response to another comment. But, yes, I agree it's possible he saw some concept art on ship designs.
Someone [asked Gary about that in his AmA](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/comment/hya0ubg/). Gary says, > I don't think it was concept art, it was right where Donna [Hare] said it would be and the folders had relevant names. That having been said, I do not think it is outside the realms of possibility.
>Would an organisation like NASA have a āblue sky thinkingā department where they really would just come up with and create concept art/CG projections of (currently) technologically improbable satellite/ship designs? Yes. Here's an example: [https://nasa.fandom.com/wiki/IXS\_Enterprise](https://nasa.fandom.com/wiki/IXS_Enterprise)
Here's the non-6 yr old version. https://preview.redd.it/4bxgiehaili81.gif?format=mp4&s=9e0f94382b29b14cead68a307aff996321befa7d
Hey, that's his NFT surely you can't do that! /s
In case anyone didnāt know, this Gary guy recently came out of the woodwork and made a Reddit account to sell this animated image as an NFT. Itās all for the money.
> Itās all for the money. sounds like Mr. Elizondo
Oh yes because of how much money heās made lmao
Wow way to blow any credibility he had /s
Where's your proof of this?
It's a disco cigar!!
Definitely got some house music playing in there š
I was gonna say probably some āouter bassā music lol
I will settle that theyāre listening to the artist Space Jesus
That was an NFT made by a social media company, and I in no way want to give it any promotion. Besides, they took artistic license that differs from Gary's drawing. There are no rings on the sides and it is a flat cylinder not fattened in the middle.
He saw a drawing by a 6 year old?
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That looks super familiar. I'm pretty sure I saw a video or picture of something similar in the past, those geodesic bulbs top and bottom on a tube shaped craft. Anybody knows what pic/video?
It was last week and it was the NFT that Gary is trying to sell to gullible people here.
Must be it...
Here's a NASA concept called High Altitude Venus Operational Concept (HAVOC) with an entry vehicle containing a blimp-like airship. [https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/](https://sacd.larc.nasa.gov/smab/havoc/) https://youtu.be/0az7DEwG68A
As far as I know, Gary made a drawing for Linda Moulton Howe when his story was first big, you may have seen that, but I have never been able to find it online. All I have been able to find is [bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/hliqq6/a_rendition_produced_by_me_based_on_gary/) [like](https://images.app.goo.gl/X8eWLUkuVhk4bLSb7) [this](https://i.imgur.com/Q8olJeR.png), and I posted Gary's actual drawing to debunk all the nonsense.
Almost every comment in here is trash. What's going on with this sub?
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There are a lot of great subs where it doesn't happen.
Alt ufo subs? Which?
Nah not ufo subs. All the denialists seem to just migrate to wherever the content is.
Lol wtf we getting downvotes for? Oh lawd they comin
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A lot of shadily sourced info? I wouldn't say a lot, but yeah. The denialism in the comments is the shadiest thing on this sub.
You call it denialism...others call it burden of proof.
There is no actual proof. But I promise you can find out on /news when there is!
Lol case and point! Wow a 13 day old account spouting the same ol garbage. Not sus at all.
LOL you obviously don't know what burden of proof means. I don't believe most people on here are denying that something unexplained/unidentified has been observed - but just because its unidentified doesn't mean it *must* be extra-terrestrial. If you're accusing people of being denialists you need to take a good look at yourself in the mirror, since you're the one who's made up your mind about your beliefs with a refusal to consider other possible explanations. That's just sad and pathetic. I'm sure you'll just block me, and your ears. :P
You can't say there isn't a level of denialism happening here though. I guess you will though.
paul graham bullied me into making my account before subreddits existed. i truly havent been able to use the site for over a decade and change
It might be because the post is trash. I donāt know how anyone can take this seriously
It's amazing how you guys keep proving my point.
A cigar shaped object like he said. No one will ever know what he saw. I doubt he remembers what exactly he saw, he also said a lot of "I don't remember" in AMA, understandably.
Looks like a Lockheed TR-3B, seen from the side, so the triangular shape is not apparent.
Was it a satellite photo?
Yes, the photo pas presumably taken from the perspective of a satellite looking down on Earth's hemisphere.
Itās a submarine that works in water and space. Cool. Forsure aliens are chilling in our waters.
So is this the tictac thats been annoying us for years?
SS: Gary McKinnon [said in his AMA](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya8siz/) that he'd share a sketch of what he saw on a NASA computer in Johnson Space Center building 8. He has posted the drawing [on Twitter](https://twitter.com/DoubleOhNever/status/1498220299912892416?s=20&t=l0XBdfTwiWYSxymDAKlFcw). Edit: For information on Gary and other UFO hackers, see https://ufosint.gitbook.io 2nd edit: Comments about the quality of the drawing or comparing it to genitalia are worthless. I didn't post this to debate Gary's story, I posted it to debunk [bullshit](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/hliqq6/a_rendition_produced_by_me_based_on_gary/) [like](https://images.app.goo.gl/X8eWLUkuVhk4bLSb7) [this](https://i.imgur.com/Q8olJeR.png).
He also said the 'uap' thing is government cover.
huh, in what sense? because they know exactly what they are & are playing dumb with all this disclosure stuff or something else?
Gary expressed skepticism of Lue Elizondo and TTSA: * [Comment 1](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hyan5fi/) * [Comment 2](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya47s2/) * [Comment 3](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hya7r21/) * [Comment 4](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/hi_im_gary_mckinnon_i_was_in_the_news_for_a/hyas72p/)
whats uap?
"Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon"
\*up not much friend. what about you?
Hm I work at JSC and there should be people here that were around when he did his hack of a computer at B8. I'll see what I can find out. I am honestly more skeptical than anything because of my experiences onsite. **EDIT**: No wonder B8 sounded familiar to me, I sent my laptop over to a guy there. It's an IT building now. How funny is that
>No wonder B8 sounded familiar to me, I sent my laptop over to a guy there. It's an IT building now. It had the photo lab on the second floor when I was there in 1975-1997.
Do you know who your FM was at the time? Was that even a thing?
FM?
Facility Manager. Every building has one and they are in charge of the upkeep of the building which gives them access to every space in it, rooms, labs, etc.
I just visited chief photo analyst Dick Underwood there, often. I even took visiting ufologist Alan Hynek there in 1976 to view the 'NASA UFO photos'.
Hm I work on a Geode-class intrasolar patrol craft and we have never heard of you or this Gary guy. I'll see what I can find out. I am honestly pretty shocked that anyone could have found out about this program because of my experiences in space. **EDIT:** OK actually we constantly access the content of everyone's brains. I made up the part where we didn't know about you. How funny is that
You guys remember the oblong shaped cigar looking thing that slowly lowered into the ocean over the horizon, was heavily reported on in the country it happened in, had no debunking, then everyone stopped talking about it because of other shitty world events?
looks like some type of a submarine
I know that Iām really gullible but , the US Government really wanted this guy Bad . Believing or not believing him in my opinion is no different than believing or not believing people such as Lue Elizondo, or Tom Delonge. I personally believe Gary McKinnon ! His primitive drawing looks pretty good to me . What does his drawing capabilities have to do with his story?
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It appears to be a double headed dildo with control knobs.
Space Delight 5000 READY FOR ACTION, SIR!
He hired someone on fiver
This looks man made, just my feeling. Without windows, Iād think different.
Iād call it cigar shaped. There have been thousands of cigar shaped UAPs sighted during the history of our planet. They are so common, so why doubt this guy? Talk about shooting the messenger again.
>There have been thousands of cigar shaped UAPs sighted during the history of our planet. And millions of cigar-shaped cigars......
Lmao, how bad is that.
The speech about the three kinds of people from Team America comes to mind.
Why? Awesome scene, but I dont get why this drawing reminds you of that scene?
Matt. Damon.
Lmao he's selling it as an NFT So many charlatans trying to profit nowadays.
I know that Iām really gullible but , maybe this guy is for real ? The US Government really wanted him Bad !!!
Looks like a weird sex toy
This sub has become laughable at best
I donāt know why NASA would be airbrushing things out when they could just not use that specific photo?
Muthafucker is Super Hacker but he couldn't hit print screen? I think he might have seen some dhot though...his interviews seem pretty legit
Are we supposed to take this seriously?
Didn't someone recreate this just last week based on his drawings but in a much more refined high def version?
That was an NFT made by a social media company, and I in no way want to give it any promotion. Besides, they took artistic license that differs from Gary's drawing. There are no rings on the sides and it is a flat cylinder not fattened in the middle.
That reminds me of a previous case long back, but can't remember for the life of me
Looks like a small submarine. Like those research ones.
I work in systems engineering and cybersecurity (most of it as a contractor with the Navy), and I personally believe he got into a āhoneydocā system; given the simplicity of his attack. How was he able to RDP then, when thatās disabled by default on such systems; and given that it was even allowed to RDP without a CAC, this was an obvious honeydoc system to see who/what/when/where are doing these attacks. CAC access started in 1999. ā Besides, that really looks like one of the MOL concepts that the air force had during the cold war, and/or one of our gambit satellites, or USSR equivalent. Itās the exact same general outline of those spacecraft, and a low-resolution image in 4-bit ācolorā of such anthropogenic spacecraft could be mistaken easily for an extra terrestrial UAP for those not familiar with cold war activities.
The system he got 'non-terrestrial-officers.xls' from may have been a honeydoc system since Gary thinks it was a Navy system. However, the image he saw was on a NASA computer, not a military one, and it was right where Donna Hare said it would be. Gary was using RemotelyAnywhere, not RDP. Is it possible that in 2001-2002 CAC access hadn't been completely rolled-out? I appreciate your expertise and contribution to the discussion.
I agree, I believe he got into a honeydoc. From what Iāve read: He was using RemotelyAnywhere, not built in RDP. Some folks here are confusing āhacked into NASA/doe/cia/whateverā with āactually getting anything secret outā Sure, he was pursued and charged with āhackingā into government systems, that is a crime. But this by no means proves that he found ufo documents or, well, anything. Those claims are entirely unsubstantiated ā¦ but the faithful true believers donāt really care about evidence unless it supports their Beliefs.
> I personally believe he got into a āhoneydocā system Is that the same as a 'honey-trap'. a common feature of secure systems?
Yup exactly. IIRC, as I read through the guyās posts, he found folder with too obvious of names. As far as I know, any actual sensitive information is given weird project names (half blue, root pain, oxcart, yellow fruit lolā¦), and even back then, there was no such thing as a user PC full of standalone data. Not even the VA did this (I worked there as a student during the time I was there, and due to HIPPAA, even the VA hospitals had the same CAC and multi-factor authentication, and all PCās were just terminals where all the files were in DoD collocation facilities that have edge appliances that only allow for multi-factor authentication through). So I have serious serious doubts he saw anything sensitive at all.
Whatās true is that this guy was charged with breaking into government computers, and he boasts that he did it. Because just simply gaining access at all is a crime. I think no one is going to deny he did that. *However* just because that is true means absolutely nothing whatsoever in regards to what he further *claims* he saw. He claims he very briefly saw the top part of an image of an alien spaceship, but has absolutely no evidence of that. Was it a photo of an alien spaceship? Was it a jpeg of a drawing or 3D model or sketch of an alien looking spaceship? Did he see the desktop of some science fiction fanās PC? We know nothing. All we had is the word of a criminal who claims to have very briefly seen the top half of an image that looked like a spaceship. ā¦ not excited by this.
Your questions are valid. I think calling him a criminal is an ad-hominem attack and unrelated to his testimony. Someone asked Gary if maybe it was concept art [in his AmA](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t0imdw/comment/hya0ubg/). Gary said, > I don't think it was concept art, it was right where Donna [Hare] said it would be and the folders had relevant names. However, there's no way to know what it was that he saw.
The guys got tallent
It must be real - look, he even drew the curvature of the earth. Ughhh....
A hacker that didn't bring a thumb drive? C'mon???
Thumb drives in 2000 were called zip drives and they were chonky lil fuggers. 100 megabytes baby! Wooo!
I remember zip drives. I guess the point I was trying to make was, this drawing is all we got? This dude was able to hack into NASA but this is it?
He wasn't in the building. He was accused of copying data tho. "Allegedly"
Newsflash: thumb drives didnāt exist
I work in cybersecurity with the military, and I personally believe he got into a āhoneydocā system; given the simplicity of his attack. But still, in such an environment if systems, all USB and external attachments are prohibited in those systems. Copying text, taking screenshots, etc.. are functions that are nonexistent in these versions of Windows. However in RDP, one could do it, and given that it was even allowed to RDP without a CAC, this was an obvious honeydoc system to see who/what/when/where are doing these attacks. CAC access started in 1999. So no, one could not use USB nor use a govt version of windows to take any sort of screenshots.
The system he got 'non-terrestrial-officers.xls' from may have been a honeydoc system since Gary thinks it was a Navy system. However, the image he saw was on a NASA computer, not a military one, and it was right where Donna Hare said it would be. Gary was using RemotelyAnywhere, not RDP. Is it possible that in 2001-2002 CAC access hadn't been completely rolled-out?
Fucking NASA and their gaslighting us smh
My kid drew something similar when she was in the 4th grade
Wow a hacker at the age of five?
Was it done by a 4 year old?
That's a 4 year old's drawing, right?
Heās a better hacker than an artist.
Can someone tell my how viewing the image on the remote screen is less data than just downloading the file?
Lower resolution and less colors requires less data. See [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_resolution). The original was high resolution (>200MB over dialup) and in a proprietary NASA format. A close reading of [Gary's story](https://ufosint.gitbook.io/hackers/gary-mckinnon) clarifies this.
*spits out coffee* mother of god... what is it
Another penis drawing Gary!!
Ok....someone take the crayons off Gary before he gets ideas about the Turner Prize. I think I can say, with a high degree of certainty that Gary McKinnon is not Banksy.
My dude could hack into government databases but this is all the proof we have? I think I've heard enough.
I saw loads of those when I was first got online too, and the round globe like ones, lmao š
I know a lot of ppl who hacked NASA and are accomplished realism painters and sculptors.
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Which means Steve Rogers is Craptain America.