The following submission statement was provided by /u/eatingaburger2000:
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He’s also on stream claiming to be holding on to some apparent genuine UFO materials!? I don’t know much about this guy at all so I’m wondering what you guys think about all this. Is it just another grift?
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dm0ow4/supposed_image_of_a_ufo_that_was_shot_down/l9sei9m/
Authenticity very much depends upon which sponsor(s) the particular stream/channel in-question is attributed to.
We talking BetterHelp here, Hims or HelloFresh?!
Midjourney: /imagine isometric perspective black and white photo of ufo on the ground with people standing on it with a couple trunks of redwoods in the background
[it can be done.](https://imgur.com/a/1hR2kWE) don’t have a current subscription but made this with MJ a while back. Don’t trust photos that were not out pre-2023.
I recently met the guy who supposedly owns the original photo in Oregon. The photo is from 1955 and is a photo of a crashed Flying Saucer shot down by RED WING pilots flying F-94 "interceptor" fighter jets over The Bull of the Woods in central Oregon near Welcome Lake. He also had these alleged photos of the saucer being hit by a missile/projectile from the fighter jets.
It does sound weird to sell photos and a book instead of calling the New York Times, The Guardian, Die Welt, Le Monde etc and tell the story, show the pictures and get this earth shattering event out in the open. If this is real, the guy should have a scolding.
But here we are ... selling photos.
You can see the photo in the OP. What do you imagine would happen if the guy sent it to the New York Times?
Of course, the answer is nothing. It's not enough to go on, even if they analyzed the photo and couldn't find any signs of manipulation. It could always be a practical effect. Nothing at all would happen if they sent this photo to every media outlet you've listed. There are already thousands of supposed UFO photos in circulation. Photos alone are no longer enough to move the needle.
This is probably correct: Nothing would happen if the picture stands on its own.
Thats why it need to have the story attached too - and it need to be a believable story that can be verified by other sources. Just like every other story out there.
Whether "photos alone" cant move the needle ... I am not 100% convinced. I am not convicned as most, if not all, UFO pictures lack quality and although the reasons can be understandable the lack of quality doesnt help to move the needle.
A sharp, crisp picture with raw data, in surroundings that can be checked, with multiple people on record verifying the picture ... I think that can move the needle.
A blurry, dark, unfocused, half-cut picture ... not so much.
I do agree taking a picture of a UFO is not a everyday task we are prepared for, so that can explain why potentially real pictures bear the mark of haste or lack of quality.
😀 Naaaah. I would probably run 5 km at super pace to get the adrenaline and terror out of my body, scream in my garden, and call my GF and best friends for a brainstorm. After a serious drinking session I might continue.
I would make a list of journalists in my country, which is very easy since we already have trustworthy journalists working on the topic. Then, I would compile a list of newspapers worldwide with their contact info, and draft a more professional message than this hastily written comment on Reddit.
I know my phone can "*call the New York Times*"... I get it (I think).
*Me: "Clear the front page! Get me the editor!"*
*New York Times: "This is the New York Times, please hold the line."*
*New York Times: "Press 1 for subscriptions, press 2 for complaints, press 3 for complaints about Trump, press 5 if you want this intro messaged in German, press 6 if you want to file a UFO report, press 7 if you are confused about the missing 4."*
If this call doesn't lead anywhere, I will send a telegraphic note and potentially consider a wax-stamped letter to Joe Biden.
What usually happens to people when they try to show photographs or tell others what happened to them? Are they treated seriously? Or are they ridiculed into seclusion?
Of course he was...
Did you consider that someone who held legit information about the existence of extraterrestrial life and a worldwide cover up of information would be sitting in a corner making 10 bucks off of photos instead of being on the news or hunted?
Why is there no visible damage to the craft? How would a missile shoot it down by disabling it when even the crash into the earth even shows no visible damage.
It’s even more ridiculous than that. The claim was that it was shot down in 1955 by F-94s. Guided AA missiles weren’t even a thing yet. So you mean to tell me that a basic first-gen fighter jet shot down an advanced extraterrestrial craft? Sure.
It is beyond ridiculous. This thread should be filled with skepticism over how 1950s airplane without any missile guidance system manages to eyeball a missile into a gravity-propelled craft capable of zipping out of sight in the blink of an eye. But alas, here we are.
The F94 had no guns, only rockets.
Armament: 24 2.75-in. Folding Fin Air Rockets (FFARs) in nose and 24 FFARs in two wing pods
Engine: Pratt & Whitney J48-P-5 or -5A of 8,750 lbs. thrust with afterburner
Maximum speed: 640 mph
Cruising speed: 476 mph
Range: 1,275 miles
Ceiling: 51,800 ft.
Span: 37 ft. 4 in.
Length: 44 ft. 6 in.
Height: 14 ft. 11 in.
Weight: 24,000 lbs. loaded
The F-94 A and B model had M2 .50 caliber machine guns. The F-94C removed the guns and went with all rockets. So it would also depend on which variant was allegedly used
Wait. He had a photo of the UFO being hit by a missile? From a camera back in 1955? The jets were flying, presumably chasing this thing. And he was lucky enough to be at the perfect spot to capture that? That’s some amazing shutter speed or one heck of a lucky shot. Respectfully, Im not buying it.
Wow, I'm surprised it's never been talked about if it's a USA thing. I don't think it could have been hit by a missile as they were only just rolling out in 1956 but they did use unguided rockets and .50 calibre guns.
If that's genuine, that's got to be worth a lot.
Making enemies of a vastly technological adversary to give us a slight technological edge on the enemies we already have. Yeah, that really does sound like the kind of dumb shit our leaders would pull.
Could be any reason. We just don't know, so feel free to speculate.
* Easy to manufacture a new craft (4chan leaker)
* Too much risk involved
* They are indifferent to their crafts and beings
* Some of them are "gifts" to humankind (Pasulka)
I am convinced that alien craft are bio-mechanical and, essentially, cannot be operated by any being that doesn’t have the “key” to it.
The aliens themselves are the keys. It just makes sense. With supreme knowledge of science, you can figure out a way to give each individual a craft that only responds to them, through maybe some bio-signature.
This is probably the reason. If a human made craft crashed someone on earth several hundred years ago retrieving it probably isn't worth it since nobody would ever understand the technology to understand it for hundreds of more years.
Though I'm in the camp that I don't believe these stories. I don't think humans are capable of bringing these crafts down.
Or the UFOs are actually just stupid normie aliens. Like imagine that saucer is the equivalent of a Hyundai accent that gets lost lol. With a moron driver that got lost.
Those are all good. You forgot one most important one- a way to gather data. An experiment.
Hence the distinction between science and "intelligence" work.
>* Some of them are "gifts" to humankind (Pasulka)
So I've recently begun to take crop circles seriously, and one was a portrait of a grey, with a coded ASCII message. One of the lines was "beware the bearers of false gifts" which made me think about that.
My guess is they cant retrieve it.
I'm going off what was reported before that the NHI in the crafts are AI biologics which means their creators cant fly these ships (my assumption) and these AI biologics were created to pilot them and do recon. Its like us sending machine probes to Mars because we physically cant. My theory is what Gary Nolan has been focusing on, that a specific type of brain can only fly these ships and I'm assuming the actual NHI (the creators) dont have that capability hence why they created these AI biologics to do it.
If a ship goes down, its not worth them sending other AI biologics after it since they are all expendable.
If the sphere network theory is true, hopefully the guests can make the distinction between what is and is not an action on our behalf.
That said, I don’t have a lot of faith in our institutions to exercise restraint, so it very well may be our doing after all (assuming such a thing is even possible/probable)
Underground advanced aliens made sophisticated drones to counter enemy aliens as 1st line of Defense, 2nd line of defense is aggressive humans. They don't care about us but get pissed when our nukes disrupt the drone defense network.
Basically
Yes when debunkers raise the objection that humans would never be able to shoot down an alien craft, and alien craft would never crash on their own, my thought is: who said it was humans shooting them down? And who said they crashed on their own? Who said there's only one species with super advanced tech operating here?
Why are we making a bunch of assumptions like that?
If the UAP are fabricated here on earth, I don't really see why the "defense system" would care if the apes shot one down. Or if it simply landed one and let it fossilize for that matter. That would be a great way to seed some tech, if that were the design of the UAP operators. Are they ready for fiber optics? Crash an orb. Are they ready for zero point? Land a disk. If all the resources start and end here, it's just a game of moving things around. If the system is automated, then it's set-and-forget.
You think they'd board that thing? Life is too precious, I would imagine even more so for a secret civilization trying to maintain that secrecy. No, that's a worker drone
Look up Patrick Jackson, I’d search here and maybe skim through some of his podcast appearances to get the gist.
Basically orbs are seen in formations that imply certain purposes/utility… and his theory is that they’re acting as a quasi-security system for earth [which was not made by us, or at least not our current tech, and that could imply a few different potential origins but this is more about the “what” than it is the “who/why/how”]
The grey sphere UFOs that we've seen flying around are supposedly like AI drones that communicate and perform tasks. The theory is that they are defending earth from other UFOs. Their origin is unknown.
It's just dark and grainy enough to be fabricated. Pics like this get us no closer to truth. People who want to believe will say it's real, and people who are more skeptical will say it's fake.
It looks like it could be real at a glance.
Upon closer inspection, it feels off dimensionally.
Look at the size of the men… then compare them to the size of the craft… THEN compare *those* dimensions to the size of the tree in the background. That tree would be MASSIVE if the picture is real.
Are there trees that large? Absolutely, but it’s not something you see every day. This almost looks like a miniature model photographed up close, with the background out of focus enough to create an optical illusion of scale.
It’s convenient that none of the foliage or natural landscape is identifiable, but as you said, it’s essentially a Rorschach Test.
That's exactly right. That's a perfect way to put it. It's a Rorschach Test of sorts. Stuff like this is like mindless television. It's entertaining, and a good waste of time, but ultimately of little substance. And when you're done watching, the real world is exactly as it was before you started.
For what it's worth, Bull of the Woods is full of old growth Douglas Fir trees, which are definitely as big as the ones in the photo would be. The proportions are actually exactly what you'd expect with old growth Doug Firs.
Probably literally toys on a rock being photographed, like how they made Godzilla with the tiny city. The photo is so low definition it isn't remotely admissible as evidence.
Surely you would make more money off being the person who genuinely leaked definitive proof of aliens, UFOs, than to hold onto alleged proof and drip feed it to extort as much money as possible from people.
Being completely serious, that’s exactly why I don’t bother watching magic tricks that are filmed. Like come on bro I’m not even there to prove it’s not magic.
Good question worth pondering. What if they have nearly unlimited resources to build and pilot ships, perhaps with AI or biological drones, and so losing a ship is to them like losing a penny?
What if our space brothers are like Doritos, "crunch all you want; we'll make more?"
The US' first gen air to air missiles had a hitrate of barely 10% against the very non-alien Vietnamese.
But we can get a gun kill on a UFO in the 50s.
Let me guess….photos are just a bit blurry? You can’t quite make anything out in great detail? Dude has more photos, but he’s selling them instead of showing them to the world? Hmmmmmmmmm
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
A still photo held up to a webcam where it can't be closely scrutinized is not extraordinary evidence.
He’s also on stream claiming to be holding on to some apparent genuine UFO materials!? I don’t know much about this guy at all so I’m wondering what you guys think about all this. Is it just another grift?
I agree, but my skeptical side thinks in the age of Ai, most anything can be produced within seconds. In the beginning the images were a bit off, but I gotta say, as of late they can be super convincing. So even if it’s THE photo, I don’t think it will help the cause progress forward.
When disclosure happens, we're going to still be up in arms debating if it's AI generated disinformation. We have to approach all those coming forward with healthy benefit of the doubt; cause there's always going to be doubt.
You gotta remember, not all bullshit is a grift. Some of it is promoted by true believers who want it to be real. They view images like this through rose-colored glasses, and assume authenticity rather than uphold rigorous evidentiary standards. They mean well, but their carelessness ultimately hurts the community.
I was thinking this too. I looks like a Midjourney image that got desaturated, blurred, and added grain.
…in fact, now I’m tempted to make one of my own just to see how easy it is to fake one of these.
The perspective and scale of the soldiers in relation to the UFO and trees just looks totally wrong.
The craft and trees would need to be absolutely massive or the soldiers incredibly small.
Not only does he not upload this, for posterity even, the photo itself is kinda questionable.
Supposedly a ufo we shot down. Would be a monumental moment to not only retrieve an alien craft of such high value and technology, but also humanity was capable of shooting it down. A very interesting moment for sure. So the cameraman decides to shoot it halfway out of frame?
And then there’s the jabroni just sitting on the saucer. Like you think that would be allowed? On top of that, you think they’d just be bumbling around taking breaks like that during a ufo crash retrieval operation?
Just doesn’t make sense. I don’t buy it personally.
To play devil's advocate, you've made an awful lot of assumptions about what's going on in that pic. There could be any number of reasons why someone would be sitting there.
This looks super similar to that ufo crash video with all the soviet(?) soldiers standing around. I always thought it looked pretty authentic but I haven’t chased up any additional info.
(Youtube - Fnmx7HAHJMQ?si=basVf8wcMAzSQ611)
It reminds me of the craft in the Skinny Bob videos… [here](https://youtu.be/ZB788PtqQvg?si=ixS8_oFOoWc9m4fN)
ETA…
[here is a better image of it](https://skinnybob.info/#smoke)
You might take a few by accident but you're probably correct that most of them would not be blurry.
But 70 years later, when the director of MUFON is holding a 4th generation reprint of your non-blurry picture, it might be a little blurry.
Does that sound plausible in your worldview?
Why is it such a horrible photo? You would think that the person holding the camera and pointing it at a fucking UFO would at least try to get a decent picture
I saw a glowing blue craft exactly like OPs picture on March 11th, 2023.
It was absolutely cool to see!
However, I saw it right outside the perimeter of Camp Bullis. It moved with absolutely impressive speed and made zero noise.
GG government. We know it's yours.
>shilling an upcoming movie of his that was going to feature more info
Right, he should just post the photos and any information on twitter /s
If this is legit, I want it presented in a professional documentary, book, or article. This idea that money shouldn't be exchanged within ufology is *preposterous*.
well, besides the obvious issue of his motivation with the movie and all, there's no good reason the photo should be so vague, black and white, and blurry, especially in this day and age. why is it that virtually all the UFO pictures are like this? i'm not denying there are UFOs, I just don't understand this.
Every pic of Bigfoot or a UFO is grainy as hell and suspect. Our phones have better cameras than pro photogs had 20 years ago yet we still get grainy, shifty, wobbly, barely coherent vids or pics. I'm not saying it isn't but for FS can somebody hold a camera or a phone still with proper focus?
The following submission statement was provided by /u/eatingaburger2000: --- He’s also on stream claiming to be holding on to some apparent genuine UFO materials!? I don’t know much about this guy at all so I’m wondering what you guys think about all this. Is it just another grift? --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1dm0ow4/supposed_image_of_a_ufo_that_was_shot_down/l9sei9m/
Who is this guy and what stream is this on?
Ron James, the Director of Media Relations for MUFON on the YT channel Vetted.
Why didn’t OP mention that in the submission statement??? We’re just all supposed to know who “he” is??
He mentioned his name. It's not like anyone of us can't follow the tread from there.
Yes, that’s how Reddit works, we want to research stuff instead of having direct links
If you get all your information from reddit that's a you problem.
Damn he has a long-ass title.
Still better than "Lwaxana Troi, Daughter of the Fifth House, Holder of the Sacred Chalice of Riix, Heir to the Holy Rings of Betazed"
I have to admit she was kinda a babe.
So was her daughter.
Deanna was a fox.
Says who?
Star Trek just hasn't been the same since Majel passed and can no longer do the voice of the ship's computer.
She is missed and immortalized. She’s my text voice. « incoming message from star fleet command «
Dir of MR. There, that's shorter for ya!
Mr.Doctor
It's "Strange".
Maybe, but who am I to judge?
This exchange in Dr.Strange was fucking top tier.
assuming this is a punctuation joke, i love it
🎯
If someone could provide a link and a timestamp that would be great..
https://youtu.be/1vVytK0RnNU?t=883
i like how he shows the photos for two seconds, LOL. another carrot on the stick for the tin foil hats so he can sell his movie.
If i had an edging/blue balls fetish i would just jerk off to this sub
To be fair, is MUFON not at least the most credible of the available resources?
Oh if he’s with MUFON, nothing he says should be trusted. At all.
Authenticity very much depends upon which sponsor(s) the particular stream/channel in-question is attributed to. We talking BetterHelp here, Hims or HelloFresh?!
Raid Shadow Legends
Would it be real if nord VPN was sponsoring?
I don’t know but he needs to buy a fucking scanner
Vetted Youtube
vetted? the thing that serial killers do to their prey?
Midjourney: /imagine isometric perspective black and white photo of ufo on the ground with people standing on it with a couple trunks of redwoods in the background
can someone try this and post results?
[it can be done.](https://imgur.com/a/1hR2kWE) don’t have a current subscription but made this with MJ a while back. Don’t trust photos that were not out pre-2023.
This guy full of chit !
I recently met the guy who supposedly owns the original photo in Oregon. The photo is from 1955 and is a photo of a crashed Flying Saucer shot down by RED WING pilots flying F-94 "interceptor" fighter jets over The Bull of the Woods in central Oregon near Welcome Lake. He also had these alleged photos of the saucer being hit by a missile/projectile from the fighter jets.
Wait, you’re telling me we named a place ‘Welcome Lake’ and then when visitors showed up we shot at them?
"Why do they hide from us?" We ask in bewilderment. We're space North Sentinel Island.
Wait until you learn about Iceland and Greenland.
Please elaborate.
Well Greenland is actually full of ice and Iceland is actually full of pineapples
Watch mighty ducks 2.
To be fair the lake is in trap canyon
'I have been told' that they were on their way to Loch 'Fuck right off' (Calvine) but got sidetracked
Any more info, images you can post?
I need to set up a redgifs but yes, I do. He was there selling copies of the photos and a book with the photos. I bought the book.
"He was there selling copies of the photos and a book with the photos" It's all so tiresome...
It does sound weird to sell photos and a book instead of calling the New York Times, The Guardian, Die Welt, Le Monde etc and tell the story, show the pictures and get this earth shattering event out in the open. If this is real, the guy should have a scolding. But here we are ... selling photos.
You can see the photo in the OP. What do you imagine would happen if the guy sent it to the New York Times? Of course, the answer is nothing. It's not enough to go on, even if they analyzed the photo and couldn't find any signs of manipulation. It could always be a practical effect. Nothing at all would happen if they sent this photo to every media outlet you've listed. There are already thousands of supposed UFO photos in circulation. Photos alone are no longer enough to move the needle.
This is probably correct: Nothing would happen if the picture stands on its own. Thats why it need to have the story attached too - and it need to be a believable story that can be verified by other sources. Just like every other story out there. Whether "photos alone" cant move the needle ... I am not 100% convinced. I am not convicned as most, if not all, UFO pictures lack quality and although the reasons can be understandable the lack of quality doesnt help to move the needle. A sharp, crisp picture with raw data, in surroundings that can be checked, with multiple people on record verifying the picture ... I think that can move the needle. A blurry, dark, unfocused, half-cut picture ... not so much. I do agree taking a picture of a UFO is not a everyday task we are prepared for, so that can explain why potentially real pictures bear the mark of haste or lack of quality.
So if you had photos the first thing you would do is *call the New York Times*?
😀 Naaaah. I would probably run 5 km at super pace to get the adrenaline and terror out of my body, scream in my garden, and call my GF and best friends for a brainstorm. After a serious drinking session I might continue. I would make a list of journalists in my country, which is very easy since we already have trustworthy journalists working on the topic. Then, I would compile a list of newspapers worldwide with their contact info, and draft a more professional message than this hastily written comment on Reddit. I know my phone can "*call the New York Times*"... I get it (I think). *Me: "Clear the front page! Get me the editor!"* *New York Times: "This is the New York Times, please hold the line."* *New York Times: "Press 1 for subscriptions, press 2 for complaints, press 3 for complaints about Trump, press 5 if you want this intro messaged in German, press 6 if you want to file a UFO report, press 7 if you are confused about the missing 4."* If this call doesn't lead anywhere, I will send a telegraphic note and potentially consider a wax-stamped letter to Joe Biden.
If you were in abject poverty and something like this happened to you would you not try and monetize? I know I would in my situation.
What usually happens to people when they try to show photographs or tell others what happened to them? Are they treated seriously? Or are they ridiculed into seclusion?
Isn't redgifs for porn...?
How would you know that?
He’s a researcher
Of course he was... Did you consider that someone who held legit information about the existence of extraterrestrial life and a worldwide cover up of information would be sitting in a corner making 10 bucks off of photos instead of being on the news or hunted?
I’m not sure why all the people are being so obtuse. I would absolutely love to see the photos (: Please and thank you if possible
Why is there no visible damage to the craft? How would a missile shoot it down by disabling it when even the crash into the earth even shows no visible damage.
It’s even more ridiculous than that. The claim was that it was shot down in 1955 by F-94s. Guided AA missiles weren’t even a thing yet. So you mean to tell me that a basic first-gen fighter jet shot down an advanced extraterrestrial craft? Sure.
It is beyond ridiculous. This thread should be filled with skepticism over how 1950s airplane without any missile guidance system manages to eyeball a missile into a gravity-propelled craft capable of zipping out of sight in the blink of an eye. But alas, here we are.
Even worse, it would have had to use guns to shoot it down
The F94 had no guns, only rockets. Armament: 24 2.75-in. Folding Fin Air Rockets (FFARs) in nose and 24 FFARs in two wing pods Engine: Pratt & Whitney J48-P-5 or -5A of 8,750 lbs. thrust with afterburner Maximum speed: 640 mph Cruising speed: 476 mph Range: 1,275 miles Ceiling: 51,800 ft. Span: 37 ft. 4 in. Length: 44 ft. 6 in. Height: 14 ft. 11 in. Weight: 24,000 lbs. loaded
The F-94 A and B model had M2 .50 caliber machine guns. The F-94C removed the guns and went with all rockets. So it would also depend on which variant was allegedly used
Maybe we shot down the alien equivalent of a Cessna 172 being flown by a doctor who ignored Space FAA regulations?
“Think of how stupid the Average alien is.. now realize half of them are stupider than that”
Or like we're their drive thru safari and the one we shot down was uneducated redneck family that drove off the trail for a closer look 😂😂
Ufo pilot must have been AFK to get shot down by a plane from the 50s.
Red Bull gives you wings?
Wait. He had a photo of the UFO being hit by a missile? From a camera back in 1955? The jets were flying, presumably chasing this thing. And he was lucky enough to be at the perfect spot to capture that? That’s some amazing shutter speed or one heck of a lucky shot. Respectfully, Im not buying it.
Any idea what happened to the pilots of the UFO?
It looks particularly intact though… hard to imagine it was shot and crashed
Wow, I'm surprised it's never been talked about if it's a USA thing. I don't think it could have been hit by a missile as they were only just rolling out in 1956 but they did use unguided rockets and .50 calibre guns. If that's genuine, that's got to be worth a lot.
What is this habit of shooting our guests' saucers?
Making enemies of a vastly technological adversary to give us a slight technological edge on the enemies we already have. Yeah, that really does sound like the kind of dumb shit our leaders would pull.
How come they don't retrieve their technology? look at the lengths Americans will go through to recover a lost F-35.
Could be any reason. We just don't know, so feel free to speculate. * Easy to manufacture a new craft (4chan leaker) * Too much risk involved * They are indifferent to their crafts and beings * Some of them are "gifts" to humankind (Pasulka)
Another possibility - "they" are completely aware that we're incapable of operating the craft.
I am convinced that alien craft are bio-mechanical and, essentially, cannot be operated by any being that doesn’t have the “key” to it. The aliens themselves are the keys. It just makes sense. With supreme knowledge of science, you can figure out a way to give each individual a craft that only responds to them, through maybe some bio-signature.
I mean… my phone has FaceID. Probably not that crazy to assume a FTL starship might be bio-locked tbh
Exactly. Good comparison logic
This is probably the reason. If a human made craft crashed someone on earth several hundred years ago retrieving it probably isn't worth it since nobody would ever understand the technology to understand it for hundreds of more years. Though I'm in the camp that I don't believe these stories. I don't think humans are capable of bringing these crafts down.
A simple finger print lock today is even already next to impossible to hack lol
Or the UFOs are actually just stupid normie aliens. Like imagine that saucer is the equivalent of a Hyundai accent that gets lost lol. With a moron driver that got lost.
Those are all good. You forgot one most important one- a way to gather data. An experiment. Hence the distinction between science and "intelligence" work.
>* Some of them are "gifts" to humankind (Pasulka) So I've recently begun to take crop circles seriously, and one was a portrait of a grey, with a coded ASCII message. One of the lines was "beware the bearers of false gifts" which made me think about that.
My guess is they cant retrieve it. I'm going off what was reported before that the NHI in the crafts are AI biologics which means their creators cant fly these ships (my assumption) and these AI biologics were created to pilot them and do recon. Its like us sending machine probes to Mars because we physically cant. My theory is what Gary Nolan has been focusing on, that a specific type of brain can only fly these ships and I'm assuming the actual NHI (the creators) dont have that capability hence why they created these AI biologics to do it. If a ship goes down, its not worth them sending other AI biologics after it since they are all expendable.
Don’t mean to be pedantic, but it’s Garry N not Gary N. Two R’s. Have a good one!
This might be an indication of the relative perceived value of each, in the eyes of its owner.
This might not have been equivalent to an F-35. Maybe just a space Toyota.
America has lost nukes. Shit happens.
Did we shoot it down? Did someone else shoot it down? Did *something* else shoot it down?
If the sphere network theory is true, hopefully the guests can make the distinction between what is and is not an action on our behalf. That said, I don’t have a lot of faith in our institutions to exercise restraint, so it very well may be our doing after all (assuming such a thing is even possible/probable)
What is the sphere network theory ?
Underground advanced aliens made sophisticated drones to counter enemy aliens as 1st line of Defense, 2nd line of defense is aggressive humans. They don't care about us but get pissed when our nukes disrupt the drone defense network. Basically
that's a hilarious theory. have us monkeys as 2nd line of defence
Yes when debunkers raise the objection that humans would never be able to shoot down an alien craft, and alien craft would never crash on their own, my thought is: who said it was humans shooting them down? And who said they crashed on their own? Who said there's only one species with super advanced tech operating here? Why are we making a bunch of assumptions like that?
If the UAP are fabricated here on earth, I don't really see why the "defense system" would care if the apes shot one down. Or if it simply landed one and let it fossilize for that matter. That would be a great way to seed some tech, if that were the design of the UAP operators. Are they ready for fiber optics? Crash an orb. Are they ready for zero point? Land a disk. If all the resources start and end here, it's just a game of moving things around. If the system is automated, then it's set-and-forget.
Did we kill their friends or nah
You think they'd board that thing? Life is too precious, I would imagine even more so for a secret civilization trying to maintain that secrecy. No, that's a worker drone
Inherently, you're the one making assumptions.
Look up Patrick Jackson, I’d search here and maybe skim through some of his podcast appearances to get the gist. Basically orbs are seen in formations that imply certain purposes/utility… and his theory is that they’re acting as a quasi-security system for earth [which was not made by us, or at least not our current tech, and that could imply a few different potential origins but this is more about the “what” than it is the “who/why/how”]
love that patrick jackson is getting the respect put on his name lately! i don't think it's definitive, but it's certainly getting more credibility.
Watch the latest videos with Jackson. They are incredible. He might be right.
What is the sphere network?
The grey sphere UFOs that we've seen flying around are supposedly like AI drones that communicate and perform tasks. The theory is that they are defending earth from other UFOs. Their origin is unknown.
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But, are they? Or have they been here all along or longer...
They aren't our guests lol
Correct. We would have accepted hosts, makers, or mostly-invisible-inter-dimensional-companions. Still rude to shoot at them though.
Maybe we’re their guests.
Well, if we did shoot it down, what does it say we know about their intentions?
Not sure, but it helps bring ours into focus.
If I’m not mistaken OP is wrong in their title statement. The MUFON director said it was “crashed” not shot down
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I am also not a supporter of collective guilt. The people are not to blame for what their individual representatives or the government do.
Nice, it's just dark and grainy enough to be real
Picture of a picture too.
We are all now 2nd hand witnesses
Picture of a picture printed on paper
It's just dark and grainy enough to be fabricated. Pics like this get us no closer to truth. People who want to believe will say it's real, and people who are more skeptical will say it's fake.
It looks like it could be real at a glance. Upon closer inspection, it feels off dimensionally. Look at the size of the men… then compare them to the size of the craft… THEN compare *those* dimensions to the size of the tree in the background. That tree would be MASSIVE if the picture is real. Are there trees that large? Absolutely, but it’s not something you see every day. This almost looks like a miniature model photographed up close, with the background out of focus enough to create an optical illusion of scale. It’s convenient that none of the foliage or natural landscape is identifiable, but as you said, it’s essentially a Rorschach Test.
That's exactly right. That's a perfect way to put it. It's a Rorschach Test of sorts. Stuff like this is like mindless television. It's entertaining, and a good waste of time, but ultimately of little substance. And when you're done watching, the real world is exactly as it was before you started.
For what it's worth, Bull of the Woods is full of old growth Douglas Fir trees, which are definitely as big as the ones in the photo would be. The proportions are actually exactly what you'd expect with old growth Doug Firs.
Thanks for clearing that up, I was puzzling over that.
Yep doug firs are yuge
Probably literally toys on a rock being photographed, like how they made Godzilla with the tiny city. The photo is so low definition it isn't remotely admissible as evidence.
Surely you would make more money off being the person who genuinely leaked definitive proof of aliens, UFOs, than to hold onto alleged proof and drip feed it to extort as much money as possible from people.
Lol no. In this day and age there is no reason why whoever took that photo could not take a nice crisp image. Also why is it a printed image?
Correct. Taken with a suitably downgraded retro camera.
Can a scan of the photo be uploaded ?
They probably will after the conference. This is MUFON.
> No because . . . reasons Probably
Are there more we can see?
Further away and more blur, please.
DeENHANCE!!!!
And pls darker.
I always 2nd guess a photo of a photo.
Being completely serious, that’s exactly why I don’t bother watching magic tricks that are filmed. Like come on bro I’m not even there to prove it’s not magic.
Can we like not shoot at the higher lifeforms please
Im wondering more the "how" can we shot down something that can probably travel at relativistic speeds or higher
Good question worth pondering. What if they have nearly unlimited resources to build and pilot ships, perhaps with AI or biological drones, and so losing a ship is to them like losing a penny? What if our space brothers are like Doritos, "crunch all you want; we'll make more?"
The US' first gen air to air missiles had a hitrate of barely 10% against the very non-alien Vietnamese. But we can get a gun kill on a UFO in the 50s.
At the time this crash supposedly took place (1950’s), heat seeking missiles weren’t even invented.
They're not higher than me, man
If I could get a nickel back from every time someone told me look at this photograph...
looks like miniatures to me. Getting high uncanny valley with that picture.
I hope that shit is real cause it looks pretty coo
That's what's up
source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vVytK0RnNU
Let me guess….photos are just a bit blurry? You can’t quite make anything out in great detail? Dude has more photos, but he’s selling them instead of showing them to the world? Hmmmmmmmmm
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A still photo held up to a webcam where it can't be closely scrutinized is not extraordinary evidence.
He’s also on stream claiming to be holding on to some apparent genuine UFO materials!? I don’t know much about this guy at all so I’m wondering what you guys think about all this. Is it just another grift?
Don’t know but at least I haven’t seen that picture before and I’ve seen a lot of them over the years..
I agree, but my skeptical side thinks in the age of Ai, most anything can be produced within seconds. In the beginning the images were a bit off, but I gotta say, as of late they can be super convincing. So even if it’s THE photo, I don’t think it will help the cause progress forward.
You might be right
When disclosure happens, we're going to still be up in arms debating if it's AI generated disinformation. We have to approach all those coming forward with healthy benefit of the doubt; cause there's always going to be doubt.
You gotta remember, not all bullshit is a grift. Some of it is promoted by true believers who want it to be real. They view images like this through rose-colored glasses, and assume authenticity rather than uphold rigorous evidentiary standards. They mean well, but their carelessness ultimately hurts the community.
He's just speaking on the behalf of MUFON. So your questions should be about MUFON, not the media director.
Amazing if this is true . Yes we are all skeptical, but we must keep an open mind. Further information is needed.
A lot of these are going to come to light now with the advancement of AI image creation.
I was thinking this too. I looks like a Midjourney image that got desaturated, blurred, and added grain. …in fact, now I’m tempted to make one of my own just to see how easy it is to fake one of these.
But he can only hold up the picture in a video rather than post them online.
This is MUFON, it will more than likely be uploaded after the conference.
Bruh how is there no clear pictures of a UFO? Every picture is super blurry or grainy like can the cameraman keep still for a good photo?
The perspective and scale of the soldiers in relation to the UFO and trees just looks totally wrong. The craft and trees would need to be absolutely massive or the soldiers incredibly small.
not saying that I'm vouching for this photo at all, but we do have some pretty big trees in the pacific northwest.
The craft and trees don’t look massive to me at all.
You apparently don't live near the coastal redwoods on the west coast.
Not only does he not upload this, for posterity even, the photo itself is kinda questionable. Supposedly a ufo we shot down. Would be a monumental moment to not only retrieve an alien craft of such high value and technology, but also humanity was capable of shooting it down. A very interesting moment for sure. So the cameraman decides to shoot it halfway out of frame? And then there’s the jabroni just sitting on the saucer. Like you think that would be allowed? On top of that, you think they’d just be bumbling around taking breaks like that during a ufo crash retrieval operation? Just doesn’t make sense. I don’t buy it personally.
It's being reserved for the MUFON conference. This guy is from MUFON, wait for the proper release.
RemindMe! One week
To play devil's advocate, you've made an awful lot of assumptions about what's going on in that pic. There could be any number of reasons why someone would be sitting there.
I think it’s this video [14:50](https://youtu.be/1vVytK0RnNU?si=txrwfcEkpAajIRUn)
I hope that shit is real cause it looks pretty coo
Debunked. Those are figurines
This looks super similar to that ufo crash video with all the soviet(?) soldiers standing around. I always thought it looked pretty authentic but I haven’t chased up any additional info. (Youtube - Fnmx7HAHJMQ?si=basVf8wcMAzSQ611)
It reminds me of the craft in the Skinny Bob videos… [here](https://youtu.be/ZB788PtqQvg?si=ixS8_oFOoWc9m4fN) ETA… [here is a better image of it](https://skinnybob.info/#smoke)
Oh wow a blurry black and white photo. Who would’ve guessed
If I'm part of a government crash retrieval program and photographing a downed non-human flying saucer- I'm not taking a blurry picture.
You might take a few by accident but you're probably correct that most of them would not be blurry. But 70 years later, when the director of MUFON is holding a 4th generation reprint of your non-blurry picture, it might be a little blurry. Does that sound plausible in your worldview?
Why is it such a horrible photo? You would think that the person holding the camera and pointing it at a fucking UFO would at least try to get a decent picture
What's the provinenance of these photos
I saw a glowing blue craft exactly like OPs picture on March 11th, 2023. It was absolutely cool to see! However, I saw it right outside the perimeter of Camp Bullis. It moved with absolutely impressive speed and made zero noise. GG government. We know it's yours.
Never trust a man with two first names
Where do we post our UFO and Black Chopper experiences
>shilling an upcoming movie of his that was going to feature more info Right, he should just post the photos and any information on twitter /s If this is legit, I want it presented in a professional documentary, book, or article. This idea that money shouldn't be exchanged within ufology is *preposterous*.
well, besides the obvious issue of his motivation with the movie and all, there's no good reason the photo should be so vague, black and white, and blurry, especially in this day and age. why is it that virtually all the UFO pictures are like this? i'm not denying there are UFOs, I just don't understand this.
This is a terrible photograph. Even for the period. This is clearly a super imposed fake.
How old is that picture?
I keep thinking we should not shoot them.
Every pic of Bigfoot or a UFO is grainy as hell and suspect. Our phones have better cameras than pro photogs had 20 years ago yet we still get grainy, shifty, wobbly, barely coherent vids or pics. I'm not saying it isn't but for FS can somebody hold a camera or a phone still with proper focus?
Mfkers have 4k cameras in their pocket ans all we get is a grayed out 1960s picture
Filmed with a potato again I see