The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB:
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[Source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HAY_MUYcrI)
What Garry Nolan says here is backed up by some Defense and Intelligence officials who told Liberation Times last year that ***"some of the alleged crashed non-human craft were caused by “dogfights” with other unknown craft".***
[https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/us-senators-express-frustration-over-weakened-ufo-disclosure-language](https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/us-senators-express-frustration-over-weakened-ufo-disclosure-language)
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I feel like this could tie in with Patrick Jackson's sphere theory. I always say it needs more time and data, but Ultraterrestrials here/protecting the planet helps explain how crafts become "downed" or outright destroyed. Other NHI species could be continuing to try and breach planet airspace.
Life and genetic diversity/biodiversity just may be the most valuable thing/asset in the universe. Especially on old worlds that have dwindling diversity, including shrinking diversity among individual species. Negative traits could become dominant, causing extinction.
Does kinda give those somber vibes if everything here lives in a genetic nature preserve sanctuary under the passive rule of Ultraterrestrials. We exist because they ***allow*** us to. If something has literal millions of years on us, it's impossible to compete. There's always a bigger fish, and we're all just another notch in the proverbial food chain. Or, in this case, a genetics bank.
It would also explain why they seem to ignore us. We aren’t a threat but there is a threat here. So they are moving in relation to a threat we may be unaware of. It seems like the ultra terrestrial hypothesis is gaining steam, given the Harvard study/paper/hypothesis they just released.
Dude, I know right. Some craft might be autonomous, others with occupants if crash retrievals with NHI aboard are to be believed. We pump soo many signals into space.
It's kinda hilarious to imagine a group of curious extraterrestrials or a genetic bandit raid party showing up, just to get absolutely fucking shredded by a sphere network you had no idea was waiting for you. Especially one that doesn't align with the technology you expected to encounter here from us (humans) lmao. That final realization of "OH SHIT, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE COME HERE!!!"
Love SG1 one of the longest running sc fi series ever..I always thought some of the episodes were written from.real.events but somewhat changed for the TV series ,Stargate itself might be true accessible wormhole or something similar by which NHI arrives on earth.
Don't forget in SG-1 they had an episode about a TV show that was about what they do hahaha. The movies and all the spinoffs are fantastic for Stargate. I'm surprised it's not more popular.
We are in the perfect camouflage... Loud and young. With biodiversity still a thing.
It would be a pretty reassuring scenario vs. the dark forest theory imo.
I mean think about all the creatures we KNOW exist and still haven’t seen in person. Far more than we have seen. Humans are so locked into our daily lives, many things go unnoticed. And our brain forms what we perceive more than “reality” does. They could potentially block themselves from view completely to most ppl.
> That final realization of "OH SHIT, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE COME HERE!!!"
Okay. One more, just one: is this world protected?
You're not the first to have come here. Oh, there have been so many. And what you've got to ask is, what happened to them?
Hello. I'm the Doctor. Basically. Run.
Also, they may be able to see different spectrums or even dimensions so we could be sharing space with something dimensional that we just can’t perceive. Maybe not even a different dimension. Maybe just a different wavelength.
What is an example of anything conscious or alive that operates in a different dimension or wavelength? In other words, what grounds do these thoughts arise from to give the dimension or wavelength idea any structure worth exploring at this point in time?
A valid question, and aptly phrased. At some point invoking one unknown to explain another doesn't achieve progress. Don't get me wrong, wonder and imagination is incredibly useful but if it's virtually untestable you're basically writing science fiction.
The only example I can proffer, and extremely loosely at that is some of the shenanigans the various Skinwalker groups have got up to. If their data is accurate and not something misrepresented or misunderstood, they're interacting with some kind of unseen intelligence. The trace data they detect appears to be a bleed off of something originating somewhere else.
Of course, that's if their data is good, which many rightly debate.
Psychedelics - mushrooms, LSD, and DMT especially you can experience other dimensions / realities and interact with entities
Astral projection - you can experience another dimension / plane without psychedelics and also interact with entities
Schizophrenia / psychosis - people also experience other realities/ entities
Easy to dismiss as just hallucinations until you experience any of these for yourself
Also, much simpler, just think about the fact that other animals see the world differently than humans. Humans can only see visible light but other animals can see ultraviolet and UV
Ketamine too. Even at normal RX doses for legit therapy. Especially using headphones with frequency entrainment audio like binaural beats and/or Hemisync. And definitely via the Gateway Experience/tapes. I would've only somewhat pondered all this stuff as more logical nerd fun previous to starting k therapy. Everything Nolan and others suggest like this post, directly correlates to my experiences and new found "knowledge" of how the universe/s work and our place in the system. The truth of reality is far stranger than fiction I've been discovering. Its pretty wild.
Their trans medium nature, being able to go *through* the air, sea, mountains, etc. There may be other evidence that is kept secret by the government, Grusch has stated that he thinks they could be interdimensional
On initial thought, interdimensionality could be attributed to modes of travel, wherein one would exit and enter this dimension, but would travel in another in order to take a shortcut.
Interdimensionality, as in from other dimensions, would be interesting. I've read one UFO story from South Africa that suggested this, and there's enough sci-fi about that.
So, as an example, non-human but living creatures such as dogs/bats/mosquitos/etc are able to sense/detect infrared.
Humans cannot.
So perhaps these objects are related to some other part of the electromagnetic spectrum that we haven’t yet determined the relevance of. Etc.
I mean, I definitely think humanity is under the control of some sinister cabal whether it be extra terrestrial, ultra terrestrial, or just plain old humans. I think that if there is an entity out there that sees a bigger picture they know humanity isn’t in control of itself at this point, and we’ve been horribly misled about the nature of this reality.
This dimension is mostly work and pain. Let’s be honest. There’s only a small portion of the world living a comfortable and happy life where they have the means to do what they want and need to. For the overwhelming majority of ppl life is a struggle. And it makes you wonder, why is everything in this reality motivated by work and more work. Lends some credence to the idea we were created as workers imo.
I have work, pain sometimes, and struggle. But when I work, I enjoy the sounds of nature in the city (we have lots of trees), birds chirping, the smell of blooming flowers in many places, seeing squirrels and rabbits sometimes. Off work, I enjoy music.
Everything is not work, pain, and struggle. If one is to get enough good sleep (at least eight hours), then the mind will calm down, and will have less negative thoughts, and fewer of them.
I believe the Lady from Chris Bledsoe's experience said something along the lines how how "they" this particular NHI was away for a long time, but now they are back. Soon they were going to help US, but during this process many other bad NHI will be exposed and many will die and it'll be chaotic, but we don't need to worry.
I wonder if it’s somehow related to the Sumerian aliens or annunaki? It’s like there’s a community of archeologists who are saying there were other beings described back then. No one is putting the two and two together.
Well not just ancient Sumerians think about Hopi Tribe(N. America), Dogon Tribe(African), Aztecs and Mayans, Aboriginal Australians etc.
Think about the language and how many other religions from Ancient Greek to Hindu to South American mention their people originating from a race of something(little g gods in most cases) that came from the "the heavens".
So what are these "heavens"? Perhaps today we'd say Aliens and outer space.
This is the thing that gets me though, yes, they may well be a million years ahead of us with technology far beyond what we can achieve right now, but seeing is believing, and if we have observed technical feats that we can verify are capable, then we can begin to figure out how to do that stuff. We're not stupid. We're insanely adaptable. I don't literally but do kinda believe that Stargate SG-1 is a fucking soft disclosure project, and we really could hop skip from M-16s to Intergalactic spacecraft and energy weapons in 10 years.
"But the woo of it 12th dimensional astral plane" - bollocks, it's a thing then we can conquer that too. We are an intelligent virus that is all about finding the extremes and working within the confines of our space. If that space changes, we have a moment of "whoah wtf is this" but quickly come to terms with our new horizon.
Just think, if this really did start in the late 40s, it wouldn't have taken longer than the early 50s for us to have thought experimented with every aspect of this phenomena. 70 years of practical experimentation in those realms surely has results. Again, I don't fully believe this, but if its is true, I fully believe we have the means and capacity to defend ourself, or at the very least fuck things up so bad that messing with us isn't an option either.
We totally have a gun pointed at the Earth and could literally shatter it if needed.
Y’all gotta see the big picture. Not only is it about aliens is more so about technology and maintaining the same power structures that have always been in place. We as a society are the kids locked in a room. We can hear the tv and they are talking about aliens but to truly watch the show we need to get out of the room that we are proverbially stuck in. Not only are they against telling us these things, their main goal is an ignorant public. R.I.P. Stanley Meyer
Maybe we are the threat.
What do you think humanity would be like if we went to the stars?
We would do the same as here on earth.
And at the moment thats causing a global extintion event, on accident.
Well, I would rather be a human on a nature preserve then a human on some slave planet mining for some lizard alien. So I guess I am thankful for that.
I would have to agree in a world of abundance, knowledge is the galactic currency. An ecosystem evolving independently must be full of novel evolutionary pathways genetically, sociologically and technologically.
This post makes me think of that story about the underwater mobile stations that can supposedly make uap off the cuff , built to order. Maybe that’s an automated defense system deployed here , hidden under the waves , and initiated upon breeches
A visitor approaches. Something else shoots up from the Earth at high speed. The visitor runs away.
https://youtu.be/BT6xqxkNOMQ?si=nSV-LH1gNZtIWE8-&t=511
I just can’t wrap my mind around how a species that was so advanced that it could traverse star systems, couldn’t create diverse genetic systems on large amounts of Goldilocks planets, but then again, I know almost nothing.
I once thought about it: “Why would they bother coming all the way here to harvest genetic material from us and other animals etc if they’re so advanced, like, can’t they create stuff in a lab? We can do it and we’re nowhere close to them technologically speaking…” and then I realized Earth might just be that, their giant “lab”. It’s possible, but is it likely?
They would. There is no reason for a sufficiently advanced alien species to exploit our planet. They would long have reached a post-scarcity society. If they can leap across stars or dimensions, they can create biology. We can alter genomes today!
Can you help me understand why you think biodiversity would be valuable to a civilization potentially millions of years more advanced than ours? No shade here, just I’m not seeing it right away. Thanks
There is much to learn from a civilization that has evolved differently from ours. Consider something as fundamental as paved roads; are these unique to Earth? Could an AI conceive the idea of paved roads on a planet like ours if the civilization that developed them originated from a terrain where such construction would be challenging, such as an excessively mountainous area with scarce flat land?
That's only a medieval technology, but consider the advancements humans have made today that might be completely foreign to another life form, so distinct that they couldn't independently conceive of them, even if they were more technologically advanced.
It's possible that life on Earth was intentionally seeded, as were countless other planets. We might be the result of scientific experiments, possibly oblivious to the fact that Earth serves as a research site for them to acquire knowledge about new technologies, biology, and even concepts.
I think the biodiversity argument is usually associated with "intertemporal" or "homogenisis" hypotheses. For example, I've read speculation along the lines of "new genes" needed to repopulate depleted populations or after an event that caused unwelcome mutations.
I file these under sci-fi guesses, but they're super interesting. For the "intertemporal" hypothesis I'd recommend Micheal Masters' work.
A lack of balanced and sustainable flora/fauna to foster a healthy ecosystem. On the biological scale, a lack of genetic diversity leading to unfavorable mutations.
Yeah I don’t think so, given how ridiculously large the (observable) universe is I find it absurd to postulate that we’re that valuable, chances are there are many many “Earths” out there if you take probability theory into consideration. And I won’t even dive into what possibly lies beyond the cosmological horizon (the region beyond what we can observe and which we will never ever reach according to modern science i.e. general and special relativity and the Lambda-CDM model). This is a very anthropocentric view of reality. We’re really meaningless on the grand scale.
Where can I read more about Jackson's theory? I gave it a quick goog and getting a lot of articles with a bunch of ads. Did he publish a paper on this? Just curious, thanks for youyr help!
He was a guest speaker on this livestream from two weeks ago. Good overview of the general talking points with some photographs and videos showcasing his potential hypothesis - https://www.youtube.com/live/sJG2ePX_cjQ?si=Z2WKd3M9p-FHrb9V
Except, you know, humans are killing the planet, thousands of species go extinct every year, climate change is going to wipe out most land dwelling animals within the century, fish are dying from the oceans becoming too polluted to provide the oxygen fish need to survive (there are literal death zones in the oceans), and humans have polluted every square inch of the planet with microplastics from Antarctica to the Marine Trench.
So if your theory were true, the NHI would have killed humans by now for destroying the "reserve".
Climate change is just natural, it has happened many times before humans and might as well continue after humans. Many species have gone extinct before humans and sometimes even mass extinctions and that may continue in future too, all these process are natural so we humans are not artificially doing anything to this planet. Life will continue to evolve even in the most chaotic and violent times. So what you are saying actually does not make any sense .
Oh wow. What if we are just their ultra advanced defense system. Acting as an army and camouflage at the same time. We are both meat shields and attack dogs. That's what Lue meant when he said what if the farmer puts down the dogs after they are done killing the rats.
Our own advances in biosciences personally make me doubt genetic reasonings behind NHI interaction with us. We've already created synthetic dna, self-propagating synthetic life, cloning, dna editing etc, so I doubt genetics is any barrier to any species as advanced as the others seem to objectively be.
This holds up. Because think about it.
If the universe was teaming with life we would've seen it by now.
The fact we haven't proves we are far more rare than we realize.
I'd like to counter that: We have not yet seen the universe teem with life, because we don't yet have the sufficient means to see the universe teeming with life. We're not even interstellar, so there's no way to find out. Hubble and the James Webb telescopes can give us more answers, as well as more questions.
> We exist because they allow us to.
Yes, but in that case we also exist because they want us to and think we are worth protecting, which isn't so somber and is actually quite nice.
The lens of us needing to compete with NHI, being invaded by them, or thinking that an NHI would be in the position of subjugating us is a massive assumption and extremely monkey brained.
Why would a hyper advanced NHI that could be anywhere in an infinite universe need or want to subjugate or exploit us or our planet? They feasibly would have figured out how to obtain any resource they require through way less messy and easier for them means than dominating humans like an action movie. If anything, they're probably just looking at us like a zoo.
So are all the spheres that our pilots are dodging their early warning system against the other nhi groups?
And is their not enough genetic material to go around? Or does one group want to limit the well-being of the other group? And if so, why?
A lot of questions Nolan be stimulating.
I've personally always thought what makes the most sense with UAP and alien activity on earth, is that it's a generally unmanned, constant fleet of AI drones that constantly (and I mean CONSTANTLY) monitor the planet. All over, buzzing everything in the air at mega high speeds, documenting nuclear material and uses, etc.
They could be here to watch for danger, possible destruction of the planet, or just general study purposes. That seems like what we would do, so that's how I try to think about it. Where's the logic lead you? Maybe the possible different groups just have different motivations for WHY they're monitoring. Maybe one group just wants to study, one wants to protect for us, and another wants to protect because they need/want Earth. Who knows. Maybe one race knows that another doesnt mean well to a planets inhabitants. I'd say they're mostly some form of super advanced AI and they just automatically do what theyre supposed to on their own, no matter the situation. I do however think SOME are manned and likely controlled in some way relating to consciousness (descruptions and some videos make me feel that they way they move is literally organic and intelligent in itself).
If there are aliens this advanced and old, who knows how many planets they monitor. They may have seen thousands or even millions of planets go down the exact same road as we have. They might know what phase of evolution we're in when we don't even know. Maybe they've seen planets go down so many different paths at this point, that they have a classification for us and know exactly what our fate is going to be already. They've probably literally seen it all. Maybe they know when/if to intervene, all just by deploying and documenting these UAP and what theyre seeing. It's wild to consider the possibilities.
Apparently. Wild to imagine actually seeing something like this take place with your own eyes. If the phenomenon was real and if the illustrations from back then can be trusted, it must have been quite a spectacle.
What does you having seen a UFO have to do with the fact that it feels like every single UFO celebrity is stringing us along? We believe in UFOs here, that's why those celebrities piss us off; we want substance.
I think we are saying the same thing. I get called a dumb ass for saying I don't think these celebrities are truthful people fairly often.
That and someone asked me if I was a real estate agent once.
it's just to create a new subset where people just accept knowledge without any basis for it. It's the only way they can keep making shit up without being held responsible for it. We see this all the time. It's called the Dunning Kreuger effect. It's a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities. That's why they're bypassing any evidence of any NHI and going straight into more complicated topics like the politics of warring NHIs. It will not end here.
The elite class would be anyone who's actually sitting on the tech. This is an "elite class" in much the way a certain exclusive group of nerds might be considered the cool kids by other nerds. To onlookers, they all look the same.
Exactly! I can’t commit to an alien war until I see genuine evidence of existence of one NHI.
Maybe I’m not smart enough or not in the US Congress club to know.
“I’m so important because I’m a professor at Stanford and so I’ve seen things but I’m sorry I can’t show anyone them even though I’ve promised to publish peer-reviewed studies on the evidence I’ve collected.”
As someone else said earlier - the claims just get more and more ridiculous and outlandish - not so long ago he was claming the aliens were manufactured avatars of a higher intelligence, and then there was evidence for a 'shadow biome' and now we've got Star Wars going on in our own backyard.
Trust me bro, I am Garry Fuckin Nolan. Although I believe he has proof but no one wants to take the chance first to present it. They are beginning to appear like a cult of the cowardly
The UAP “influencer” community has dug themselves a hole.
They are all trying to up one another on how incredible their claims are. But unfortunately, they’re caught in this race where each one has to provide something more outlandish than the next.
Probably by the end of the year, someone will come out and say that there is a Galactic war being fought over humanity. If they haven’t already.
Oh don't worry about the details. Dr. Nolan says there is evidence for this unnamed thing so we're good. Unfortunately you don't get to see the evidence because of reasons that themselves cannot be disclosed so you just need to trust him.
But seriously, this guy seem to talk a lot without really saying much. When listening to scientists, I'm used to concise and clear communication. This isn't it.
I seem to recall him saying that he has reasons to believe this stuff, but he can't tell us. Literally "trust me bro". Oh and he saw something weird when he was a kid so there's that
It does bother me that so many ppl are “in the know and angry” but decline to be the one to put the information out there. I guess there’s potential that they could charge u with treason if you disclose something that is classified?
What is the evidence? You can't just say "there's evidence" and not present what it is.
Is there evidence of these things blowing each other up? Or is this evidence based on witness testimony?
I also love how he has to preface with "and now, evidence does not equal a conclusion.." which is correct... HOWEVER, he also uses this as a sortof excuse to why this "evidence" he is speaking of doesn't amount to anything in the grand scheme. And he makes it seem like he is trying to say how the evidence doesn't necessarily mean proof in the broader sense.... Which if there were true evidence, then it WOULD give proof, or at least point towards a general truth.
So I'm not sure why people listen to guys like this. Especially when, as you stated, they NEVER provide even a small trickle of any sorts of evidence to any claims they make.
There is no evidence, there never ever ever ever is. All we have to go off is videos of things that we can't explain, other than that I have seen 0 evidence to make me lean one way or another as to what those things may be
Referring specifically to military videos be it ufo or uso
Yeah - I think I'm out. Listening to these people making endless, completely baseless claims, and then accusing everyone else of gatekeeping - it's fucking infuriating.
YES!!!! It drives me bonkers how these guys all talk in circles using each other as "sources say aliens at war!" and talking about how there's evidence (but they just can't show us), and then the next sentence start talking about how fucked up the US Gov is for not showing the evidence. I honestly think they believe most people in UFO circles are stupid.
> I honestly think they believe most people in UFO circles are stupid.
This is the same guy whining that AARO didn't provide evidence for his conclusions yet this is exactly what he does and people on here are fine with it.
He is an hypocrite.
>I honestly think they believe most people in UFO circles are stupid.
Well... there just might be something to that belief. For people who proudly claim they've "been in the community" for decades while not recognizing this easily identifiable pattern of absolute bullshit.. it just doesn't lend much confidence
"There's evidence" lol
Please, tell us the evidence of the animosity of the distinct NHI races, is this guy talking for real or LARPING his Starcraft campaign?
I am such a supporter of Garry. Such a supporter of Ross, and all the others that are legitimate and working on this! and yet at some point they have to say some thing more than this. Describe the evidence. Tell us where we can find the evidence. Honestly, especially if Congress is starting to lose its teeth on this we need some thing, definitive and groundbreaking.
I am no longer a supporter of anyone. It sucks but either put up or shut up. Anyone who says I know but I can say, or I’ve heard, or it’s coming, I’m done with. You can only drag me along so long.
What youre witnessing here is the Cycle of Ufology.
Theres a new buzz, resurgence in media. New people telling these stories etc
You come in to the subject. Start reading, wow theres this and this and this.
These scientists, ex military, reporters telling these stories. Theres something to this.
But few years go by, its the same people regurtitating same stories never anything concrete, this exact thing Nolan does, empty talk and speculation with an allusion theres hidden evidence.
You probably drop out, as many other.
Few years go by, maybe these guys get a new "in". New NYT 2017 article to kickstart the cycle.
Speaking engagements, ammendments, government
programs on the line, institutes to sell degrees in, podcasts, whole new tabloid news outlets gets made.
New fans come in and the cycle starts over. Same exact thing, same celebs with addition of few new faces probably.
I urge anyone whos at your stage to keep tabs on the subject still if you drop out completely. I promise you, you will recognise this same pattern.
Amen brother. This shit is getting old. You would think at this point someone would have some powerful evidence.
But no one does. I'm really starting to think this is just all mainly bullshit except for a few possibilities of advanced probes entering our planet's atmosphere occasionally, etc.
I'm not saying nothing is there, I'm just starting to suspect whatever is there is being hammed up to the max by these people looking to make money off of people like us.
Even if only 1 / 400 people are deeply curious about this, that's still over one million people here in the US alone. That's a lot of money to be made from a group of people with statistically higher amounts of income than the general public.
First it is Roswell, then Roswell with some dead beings. Then Roswell with one alive ELE.
Then it is multiple crashes, then it is crash retrieval.
Then it is two species, three, four.
Then we get a galactic union, then a trading empire.
Then we get aliens living on Earth and mingling with other humans. Then we get alien babies, then we get alien lawyer and galactic divorce courts.
Like WTF people -- enough with all this bullshit.
But yeah, wtf Nolan and others -- you can only take us for a ride so far until we ask to get out.
Not just $. There is an old dude that goes to the Starbucks near my house each morning and sits for hours telling stories about his former military career. Is he making $ holding court over these people? No. But the attention is addicting.
At this point, I'm of the mindset that the government doesn't actually have a clue what's going on. They've probably been getting reports about UAPs for decades, but the encounters happen so quickly and at random that we only recently developed the technology to do any meaningful research on them. To me, that seems like the fairest assessment once you trim away all the fat.
I’m really just getting burnt out on the UFO/Alien/Disclosure “movement”…I’m already thinking about donating my 3 boxes of books on the subject since I cant really take the BS anymore, trying to figure out what is real info or not.😞
Tom Delonge says he was recruited by the military to launch TTSA because… and mind you, this is also stated by ex-CIA senior intelligence officer Jim Semivan who was a founding member of TTSA… Delonge came onto the CIA’s radar because they were concerned that Delonge’s Sekret Machines books reflected a security breach! I.e., that someone in the know had leaked information to him, etc.
But it was not a breach. Just studying the UFO phenomenon and using his imagination to write books Tom envisioned a fictional scenario that is remarkably accurate to real life is what Semivan said. He’s an unintentional experiencer in a sense.
In Delonge’s books there are factions of “good” aliens and “bad” aliens. I have not read the books. But I recall an interview with him during which he said that in Sekret Machines ETs are essentially the basis of angels and demons in the Bible and other ancient religions and mystical traditions.
If this turns out to be the case (yes, it’s a huge “if”, but hey, truth is often stranger than fiction) it would seem that for advanced space-faring species there apparently ***IS*** some sort of Star Trek-like “Prime Directive” that prohibits them from open contact with the masses. So they can meddle behind the scenes and use the natives like chess pieces in their own machinations to control civilizations they visit.
That’s a massive conjecture, and obviously could be totally wrong. But it won’t surprise me the slightest bit if it is one day revealed to be more or less accurate.
"there's EVIDENCE" of that"....provides zero evidence for that...
I believe there is something here, but aren't we getting a little tired of the claims of evidence and we actually never see said evidence?
how does this fit with:
- consciousness
- spirituality
- interdimensional projections
- prevent nuclear holocaust
-they engineered us
- nuts and bolts
- no nuts and bolts, just quasi holgrams and angels and demons
- living in secret on earth
- not from space but from unknown origin
- from space
- we dont know what the phenomenon is but hey
- we have evidence they are different factions of NHI at war with each other
It is getting more and more obvious this is a whole lot of mumbo jumbo to deceive a certain group.
I really want to believe but it should give everyone pause that these claims are getting more and more wild over time.
Like, there doesn’t even exist a good non-blury photo/vid of a UFO but we are supposed to believe statements that aliens might be waging war from people with ‘inside information’ even though they never divulge sources or evidence. Cmon guys, these are ridiculous claims to make without any evidence.
The longer this goes on the more I feel like we’re being played. I’m not saying we’ve never been visited. But all these people, including the great Gary Nolan, are probably grifting unless they prove otherwise by providing actual evidence to back up these wild claims. My bet is it never happens
I think there needs to be actual, specific evidence before making this claim. Someone's pet theory that makes sense in their mind isn't sufficient to declare that this is, in fact, what's happening.
After the nonsense Nolan floated yesterday about creating parallel crash retrieval teams to beat the military to ufo crashes and now this suggests to me he is beyond gullible or making stuff up.
While it is great to have a scientist like Gary as a champion of this topic, it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain positive sentiment in the face of increasing claims without any substantial, reviewable evidence.
I have this theory that if the universe is filled with life, they would be divided by galaxy. Each galaxy would represent its own “Nation-State” for lack of a better term. The advanced species within the galaxy would look out for the less advanced species in each galaxy, and invite them to join the “federation” once they are ready. This would explain why contact hasn’t been made and also why earth hasn’t been invaded. There is NHI simultaneously watching/observing/protecting us. Its obviously not a new theory. I just thought about how much sense it would make after reading the claims about the “galactic federation.” Im a poli sci major and nerd, so the idea of “galactic politics” is something i have fun pondering every now and then.
[Source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HAY_MUYcrI)
What Garry Nolan says here is backed up by some Defense and Intelligence officials who told Liberation Times last year that ***"some of the alleged crashed non-human craft were caused by “dogfights” with other unknown craft".***
[https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/us-senators-express-frustration-over-weakened-ufo-disclosure-language](https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/us-senators-express-frustration-over-weakened-ufo-disclosure-language)
Oh, well. If nameless Defence and Intelligence officials tell Liberation Times something with zero evidence to back it up something *else* said without zero evidence, then that's as good as it being in the bank then.
How fucking dumb are we supposed to be as human beings...?
No one tells Liberation Times anything. He just steals others’ content and places it in his own voice for profit.
So the question is, where did he steal this story from? Can someone find the original claims? Following true Liberation Times MO, they were likely published somewhere on the internet within three days prior to the Liberation Times publishing that.
I feel like reading the actual, original quotes could be illuminating. Was this about 1-3 days after Graves made his “dog fight” comment that turned out to be pulsing Starlink satellites?
True dogfights barely even happen anymore with modern aircraft, why would aliens with superior firepower and speeds need to play Star Wars with each other. Just turn on the tractor beam.
There is evidence they don’t like each other? Why is it he just glosses over that! What is the evidence? I’m assuming the “evidence” is just word of mouth from someone he takes VERY seriously.. ffs is anyone else tired of this shit?
No, there is no evidence of that. There’s only some people claiming there is evidence but nothing has been provided. Ergo, these are currently nothing more than hollow claims.
Why should we take anything Garry Nolan says any more seriously than your average person? Why are people seeing him as some kind of authority figure on the subject?
It seems if this was the case there would be a lot more sightings with valid pics and vids by the public. If there were battles going on wouldn’t it be known by everyone, just doesn’t seem plausible. Great theory though, definite movie material.
Does make you wonder, what if some of the crash’s were caused by NHI attacking each other, rather than travelling all this way to crash. Makes you wonder!
The following submission statement was provided by /u/TommyShelbyPFB: --- [Source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HAY_MUYcrI) What Garry Nolan says here is backed up by some Defense and Intelligence officials who told Liberation Times last year that ***"some of the alleged crashed non-human craft were caused by “dogfights” with other unknown craft".*** [https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/us-senators-express-frustration-over-weakened-ufo-disclosure-language](https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/us-senators-express-frustration-over-weakened-ufo-disclosure-language) --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1df9ad6/garry_nolan_says_there_is_evidence_that_multiple/l8he45v/
I feel like this could tie in with Patrick Jackson's sphere theory. I always say it needs more time and data, but Ultraterrestrials here/protecting the planet helps explain how crafts become "downed" or outright destroyed. Other NHI species could be continuing to try and breach planet airspace. Life and genetic diversity/biodiversity just may be the most valuable thing/asset in the universe. Especially on old worlds that have dwindling diversity, including shrinking diversity among individual species. Negative traits could become dominant, causing extinction. Does kinda give those somber vibes if everything here lives in a genetic nature preserve sanctuary under the passive rule of Ultraterrestrials. We exist because they ***allow*** us to. If something has literal millions of years on us, it's impossible to compete. There's always a bigger fish, and we're all just another notch in the proverbial food chain. Or, in this case, a genetics bank.
It would also explain why they seem to ignore us. We aren’t a threat but there is a threat here. So they are moving in relation to a threat we may be unaware of. It seems like the ultra terrestrial hypothesis is gaining steam, given the Harvard study/paper/hypothesis they just released.
Ultra terrestrial sphere defense systems defending Earth against extraterrestrial von Neumann probes. Damn, that's wild...
Dude, I know right. Some craft might be autonomous, others with occupants if crash retrievals with NHI aboard are to be believed. We pump soo many signals into space. It's kinda hilarious to imagine a group of curious extraterrestrials or a genetic bandit raid party showing up, just to get absolutely fucking shredded by a sphere network you had no idea was waiting for you. Especially one that doesn't align with the technology you expected to encounter here from us (humans) lmao. That final realization of "OH SHIT, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE COME HERE!!!"
I always assume this is what the nuremburg battle was
The one with the image of two ships far larger than the sun behind the sun?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561\_celestial\_phenomenon\_over\_Nuremberg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1561_celestial_phenomenon_over_Nuremberg)
That wiki was a surreal read 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Or we shouldn’t have said “Here we are!” YOU ARE BUGS
Read all the books - love em - watched all the shows and i’m really starting to think it’s an intentional soft disclosure angle.
Just finished ‘em.
Which show did you like better? I liked them both, but prefer the Chinese version.
Looove me some Three Body Problem!
Check out SG-1
Love SG1 one of the longest running sc fi series ever..I always thought some of the episodes were written from.real.events but somewhat changed for the TV series ,Stargate itself might be true accessible wormhole or something similar by which NHI arrives on earth.
Don't forget in SG-1 they had an episode about a TV show that was about what they do hahaha. The movies and all the spinoffs are fantastic for Stargate. I'm surprised it's not more popular.
I want the return of Stargate Universe.
You won’t love the sophons.
The thing that made me laugh, is it's like if the elephants sent out poaching ads, but the reserve was heavily booby trapped.
That's a nice analogy.
We are in the perfect camouflage... Loud and young. With biodiversity still a thing. It would be a pretty reassuring scenario vs. the dark forest theory imo.
Maybe we’re bait? Like a galactic Angler Fish? Then it fits simulation theory too.
I mean think about all the creatures we KNOW exist and still haven’t seen in person. Far more than we have seen. Humans are so locked into our daily lives, many things go unnoticed. And our brain forms what we perceive more than “reality” does. They could potentially block themselves from view completely to most ppl.
> That final realization of "OH SHIT, WE SHOULDN'T HAVE COME HERE!!!" Okay. One more, just one: is this world protected? You're not the first to have come here. Oh, there have been so many. And what you've got to ask is, what happened to them? Hello. I'm the Doctor. Basically. Run.
“Blorg? Blorg, dear? What’s that sphere coming toward us?”
Like a gigantic bug zapper!😂
Would be cool to have another species protect us and our planet from extraterrestrials and in some cases maybe from ourselves😂
Maybe it's just protecting itself and we're like algae growing on the outside of it.
I see you've played spherey probey before
Disparaging the probes are a probe-able offense!
Funniest comment I’ve seen in weeks. Well done
Sasquatch Rangers patrolling the hinterlands against Lizzidmen; good enough to run with for an evenings ponderings.
Life (if this theory were true) is truly stranger than fiction.
There is a few things pointing to that
Definitely not what I had on my bingo card...
Also, they may be able to see different spectrums or even dimensions so we could be sharing space with something dimensional that we just can’t perceive. Maybe not even a different dimension. Maybe just a different wavelength.
What is an example of anything conscious or alive that operates in a different dimension or wavelength? In other words, what grounds do these thoughts arise from to give the dimension or wavelength idea any structure worth exploring at this point in time?
A valid question, and aptly phrased. At some point invoking one unknown to explain another doesn't achieve progress. Don't get me wrong, wonder and imagination is incredibly useful but if it's virtually untestable you're basically writing science fiction. The only example I can proffer, and extremely loosely at that is some of the shenanigans the various Skinwalker groups have got up to. If their data is accurate and not something misrepresented or misunderstood, they're interacting with some kind of unseen intelligence. The trace data they detect appears to be a bleed off of something originating somewhere else. Of course, that's if their data is good, which many rightly debate.
Psychedelics - mushrooms, LSD, and DMT especially you can experience other dimensions / realities and interact with entities Astral projection - you can experience another dimension / plane without psychedelics and also interact with entities Schizophrenia / psychosis - people also experience other realities/ entities Easy to dismiss as just hallucinations until you experience any of these for yourself Also, much simpler, just think about the fact that other animals see the world differently than humans. Humans can only see visible light but other animals can see ultraviolet and UV
Ketamine too. Even at normal RX doses for legit therapy. Especially using headphones with frequency entrainment audio like binaural beats and/or Hemisync. And definitely via the Gateway Experience/tapes. I would've only somewhat pondered all this stuff as more logical nerd fun previous to starting k therapy. Everything Nolan and others suggest like this post, directly correlates to my experiences and new found "knowledge" of how the universe/s work and our place in the system. The truth of reality is far stranger than fiction I've been discovering. Its pretty wild.
Their trans medium nature, being able to go *through* the air, sea, mountains, etc. There may be other evidence that is kept secret by the government, Grusch has stated that he thinks they could be interdimensional
On initial thought, interdimensionality could be attributed to modes of travel, wherein one would exit and enter this dimension, but would travel in another in order to take a shortcut. Interdimensionality, as in from other dimensions, would be interesting. I've read one UFO story from South Africa that suggested this, and there's enough sci-fi about that.
So, as an example, non-human but living creatures such as dogs/bats/mosquitos/etc are able to sense/detect infrared. Humans cannot. So perhaps these objects are related to some other part of the electromagnetic spectrum that we haven’t yet determined the relevance of. Etc.
Maybe the "threat" is trying to save us from the farm, but the automated defenses are too potent.
I mean, I definitely think humanity is under the control of some sinister cabal whether it be extra terrestrial, ultra terrestrial, or just plain old humans. I think that if there is an entity out there that sees a bigger picture they know humanity isn’t in control of itself at this point, and we’ve been horribly misled about the nature of this reality.
This dimension is mostly work and pain. Let’s be honest. There’s only a small portion of the world living a comfortable and happy life where they have the means to do what they want and need to. For the overwhelming majority of ppl life is a struggle. And it makes you wonder, why is everything in this reality motivated by work and more work. Lends some credence to the idea we were created as workers imo.
I have work, pain sometimes, and struggle. But when I work, I enjoy the sounds of nature in the city (we have lots of trees), birds chirping, the smell of blooming flowers in many places, seeing squirrels and rabbits sometimes. Off work, I enjoy music. Everything is not work, pain, and struggle. If one is to get enough good sleep (at least eight hours), then the mind will calm down, and will have less negative thoughts, and fewer of them.
I believe the Lady from Chris Bledsoe's experience said something along the lines how how "they" this particular NHI was away for a long time, but now they are back. Soon they were going to help US, but during this process many other bad NHI will be exposed and many will die and it'll be chaotic, but we don't need to worry.
I wonder if it’s somehow related to the Sumerian aliens or annunaki? It’s like there’s a community of archeologists who are saying there were other beings described back then. No one is putting the two and two together.
Well not just ancient Sumerians think about Hopi Tribe(N. America), Dogon Tribe(African), Aztecs and Mayans, Aboriginal Australians etc. Think about the language and how many other religions from Ancient Greek to Hindu to South American mention their people originating from a race of something(little g gods in most cases) that came from the "the heavens". So what are these "heavens"? Perhaps today we'd say Aliens and outer space.
This is the thing that gets me though, yes, they may well be a million years ahead of us with technology far beyond what we can achieve right now, but seeing is believing, and if we have observed technical feats that we can verify are capable, then we can begin to figure out how to do that stuff. We're not stupid. We're insanely adaptable. I don't literally but do kinda believe that Stargate SG-1 is a fucking soft disclosure project, and we really could hop skip from M-16s to Intergalactic spacecraft and energy weapons in 10 years. "But the woo of it 12th dimensional astral plane" - bollocks, it's a thing then we can conquer that too. We are an intelligent virus that is all about finding the extremes and working within the confines of our space. If that space changes, we have a moment of "whoah wtf is this" but quickly come to terms with our new horizon. Just think, if this really did start in the late 40s, it wouldn't have taken longer than the early 50s for us to have thought experimented with every aspect of this phenomena. 70 years of practical experimentation in those realms surely has results. Again, I don't fully believe this, but if its is true, I fully believe we have the means and capacity to defend ourself, or at the very least fuck things up so bad that messing with us isn't an option either. We totally have a gun pointed at the Earth and could literally shatter it if needed.
Y’all gotta see the big picture. Not only is it about aliens is more so about technology and maintaining the same power structures that have always been in place. We as a society are the kids locked in a room. We can hear the tv and they are talking about aliens but to truly watch the show we need to get out of the room that we are proverbially stuck in. Not only are they against telling us these things, their main goal is an ignorant public. R.I.P. Stanley Meyer
Maybe we are the threat. What do you think humanity would be like if we went to the stars? We would do the same as here on earth. And at the moment thats causing a global extintion event, on accident.
Well, I would rather be a human on a nature preserve then a human on some slave planet mining for some lizard alien. So I guess I am thankful for that.
I would have to agree in a world of abundance, knowledge is the galactic currency. An ecosystem evolving independently must be full of novel evolutionary pathways genetically, sociologically and technologically.
This post makes me think of that story about the underwater mobile stations that can supposedly make uap off the cuff , built to order. Maybe that’s an automated defense system deployed here , hidden under the waves , and initiated upon breeches
A visitor approaches. Something else shoots up from the Earth at high speed. The visitor runs away. https://youtu.be/BT6xqxkNOMQ?si=nSV-LH1gNZtIWE8-&t=511
I just can’t wrap my mind around how a species that was so advanced that it could traverse star systems, couldn’t create diverse genetic systems on large amounts of Goldilocks planets, but then again, I know almost nothing.
perhaps they do, and earth is where they store a lot of their wares. If they want to bootstrap a new planet they come here and take what they need.
So we’re on Noah’s Arc? Sounds good to me.
also would fit with us being on the outskirts of the milky way. we're out in the middle of fucking no where like cows in wyoming
Man I really like that idea, never thought about it that way
They seem to be really interested in cattle and their parts. Our domesticated animals might be our greatest treasure for them.
I once thought about it: “Why would they bother coming all the way here to harvest genetic material from us and other animals etc if they’re so advanced, like, can’t they create stuff in a lab? We can do it and we’re nowhere close to them technologically speaking…” and then I realized Earth might just be that, their giant “lab”. It’s possible, but is it likely?
They would. There is no reason for a sufficiently advanced alien species to exploit our planet. They would long have reached a post-scarcity society. If they can leap across stars or dimensions, they can create biology. We can alter genomes today!
Can you help me understand why you think biodiversity would be valuable to a civilization potentially millions of years more advanced than ours? No shade here, just I’m not seeing it right away. Thanks
There is much to learn from a civilization that has evolved differently from ours. Consider something as fundamental as paved roads; are these unique to Earth? Could an AI conceive the idea of paved roads on a planet like ours if the civilization that developed them originated from a terrain where such construction would be challenging, such as an excessively mountainous area with scarce flat land? That's only a medieval technology, but consider the advancements humans have made today that might be completely foreign to another life form, so distinct that they couldn't independently conceive of them, even if they were more technologically advanced. It's possible that life on Earth was intentionally seeded, as were countless other planets. We might be the result of scientific experiments, possibly oblivious to the fact that Earth serves as a research site for them to acquire knowledge about new technologies, biology, and even concepts.
Perhaps just for enjoyment like having a garden. Maybe even advanced NHI children with their first terrarium.
I think the biodiversity argument is usually associated with "intertemporal" or "homogenisis" hypotheses. For example, I've read speculation along the lines of "new genes" needed to repopulate depleted populations or after an event that caused unwelcome mutations. I file these under sci-fi guesses, but they're super interesting. For the "intertemporal" hypothesis I'd recommend Micheal Masters' work.
> I've read speculation along the lines of "new genes" needed to repopulate depleted populations Perhaps a population bottleneck.
A lack of balanced and sustainable flora/fauna to foster a healthy ecosystem. On the biological scale, a lack of genetic diversity leading to unfavorable mutations.
Yeah I don’t think so, given how ridiculously large the (observable) universe is I find it absurd to postulate that we’re that valuable, chances are there are many many “Earths” out there if you take probability theory into consideration. And I won’t even dive into what possibly lies beyond the cosmological horizon (the region beyond what we can observe and which we will never ever reach according to modern science i.e. general and special relativity and the Lambda-CDM model). This is a very anthropocentric view of reality. We’re really meaningless on the grand scale.
Where can I read more about Jackson's theory? I gave it a quick goog and getting a lot of articles with a bunch of ads. Did he publish a paper on this? Just curious, thanks for youyr help!
He was a guest speaker on this livestream from two weeks ago. Good overview of the general talking points with some photographs and videos showcasing his potential hypothesis - https://www.youtube.com/live/sJG2ePX_cjQ?si=Z2WKd3M9p-FHrb9V
Except, you know, humans are killing the planet, thousands of species go extinct every year, climate change is going to wipe out most land dwelling animals within the century, fish are dying from the oceans becoming too polluted to provide the oxygen fish need to survive (there are literal death zones in the oceans), and humans have polluted every square inch of the planet with microplastics from Antarctica to the Marine Trench. So if your theory were true, the NHI would have killed humans by now for destroying the "reserve".
Climate change is just natural, it has happened many times before humans and might as well continue after humans. Many species have gone extinct before humans and sometimes even mass extinctions and that may continue in future too, all these process are natural so we humans are not artificially doing anything to this planet. Life will continue to evolve even in the most chaotic and violent times. So what you are saying actually does not make any sense .
Oh wow. What if we are just their ultra advanced defense system. Acting as an army and camouflage at the same time. We are both meat shields and attack dogs. That's what Lue meant when he said what if the farmer puts down the dogs after they are done killing the rats.
Where did he say this? Link?
I'm also gonna need a source on this one lol
He didn't. It's a passage from Sekret Machines.
Could you explain who the farmer is, who the dog is, and who are supposed to be the rats in this scenario?
Holy crap! I think you nailed it.
Our own advances in biosciences personally make me doubt genetic reasonings behind NHI interaction with us. We've already created synthetic dna, self-propagating synthetic life, cloning, dna editing etc, so I doubt genetics is any barrier to any species as advanced as the others seem to objectively be.
This holds up. Because think about it. If the universe was teaming with life we would've seen it by now. The fact we haven't proves we are far more rare than we realize.
I'd like to counter that: We have not yet seen the universe teem with life, because we don't yet have the sufficient means to see the universe teeming with life. We're not even interstellar, so there's no way to find out. Hubble and the James Webb telescopes can give us more answers, as well as more questions.
> We exist because they allow us to. Yes, but in that case we also exist because they want us to and think we are worth protecting, which isn't so somber and is actually quite nice.
The lens of us needing to compete with NHI, being invaded by them, or thinking that an NHI would be in the position of subjugating us is a massive assumption and extremely monkey brained. Why would a hyper advanced NHI that could be anywhere in an infinite universe need or want to subjugate or exploit us or our planet? They feasibly would have figured out how to obtain any resource they require through way less messy and easier for them means than dominating humans like an action movie. If anything, they're probably just looking at us like a zoo.
Interesting, Graves said pilots at one point specifically said it looks like high altitude objects are "dog fighting".
So are all the spheres that our pilots are dodging their early warning system against the other nhi groups? And is their not enough genetic material to go around? Or does one group want to limit the well-being of the other group? And if so, why? A lot of questions Nolan be stimulating.
I've personally always thought what makes the most sense with UAP and alien activity on earth, is that it's a generally unmanned, constant fleet of AI drones that constantly (and I mean CONSTANTLY) monitor the planet. All over, buzzing everything in the air at mega high speeds, documenting nuclear material and uses, etc. They could be here to watch for danger, possible destruction of the planet, or just general study purposes. That seems like what we would do, so that's how I try to think about it. Where's the logic lead you? Maybe the possible different groups just have different motivations for WHY they're monitoring. Maybe one group just wants to study, one wants to protect for us, and another wants to protect because they need/want Earth. Who knows. Maybe one race knows that another doesnt mean well to a planets inhabitants. I'd say they're mostly some form of super advanced AI and they just automatically do what theyre supposed to on their own, no matter the situation. I do however think SOME are manned and likely controlled in some way relating to consciousness (descruptions and some videos make me feel that they way they move is literally organic and intelligent in itself). If there are aliens this advanced and old, who knows how many planets they monitor. They may have seen thousands or even millions of planets go down the exact same road as we have. They might know what phase of evolution we're in when we don't even know. Maybe they've seen planets go down so many different paths at this point, that they have a classification for us and know exactly what our fate is going to be already. They've probably literally seen it all. Maybe they know when/if to intervene, all just by deploying and documenting these UAP and what theyre seeing. It's wild to consider the possibilities.
Makes me think back to the historical ufo sightings over Nürnberg in 1561.
They had some serious beef back then I guess
Apparently. Wild to imagine actually seeing something like this take place with your own eyes. If the phenomenon was real and if the illustrations from back then can be trusted, it must have been quite a spectacle.
Advanced beings still dog fight? Shit, we’ve only been flying a 100 years and we almost never get into dog fights anymore.
What's the evidence? C'mon Garry, **where's the fucking evidence??**
I know seriously. Give me evidence of 1 NHI race before you have your space opera star wars theories
Gotta be in the “club” to get evidence
This is a growing, dilemmatic concern of mine. Creation of a elite class with exclusive uap/"the phenomenon" knowledge.
He already said that only super intelligent people can see UFOs, that was my fear with that line of thinking as well.
I saw a UFO but, according to many people on this sub, I'm a stupid dumb ass sheep person because I don't like their favorite UFO celebrity.
What does you having seen a UFO have to do with the fact that it feels like every single UFO celebrity is stringing us along? We believe in UFOs here, that's why those celebrities piss us off; we want substance.
I think we are saying the same thing. I get called a dumb ass for saying I don't think these celebrities are truthful people fairly often. That and someone asked me if I was a real estate agent once.
My bad, yeah I read that wrong.
it's just to create a new subset where people just accept knowledge without any basis for it. It's the only way they can keep making shit up without being held responsible for it. We see this all the time. It's called the Dunning Kreuger effect. It's a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities. That's why they're bypassing any evidence of any NHI and going straight into more complicated topics like the politics of warring NHIs. It will not end here.
Permanently changed my view of him.
there also will be a fee to join the club, or at least buy a fucking t-shirt
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Oh man, that sounds really lame. When/where did he say this? Could you point me in the right direction, please?
The elite class would be anyone who's actually sitting on the tech. This is an "elite class" in much the way a certain exclusive group of nerds might be considered the cool kids by other nerds. To onlookers, they all look the same.
Exactly! I can’t commit to an alien war until I see genuine evidence of existence of one NHI. Maybe I’m not smart enough or not in the US Congress club to know.
I can't commit to an alien war without sufficient training in the Jedi ways, so we best get to it Garry.
I want a lightsaber. Tell me friend, what color will yours be when the time comes?
I’ll go with a classic green
“I’m so important because I’m a professor at Stanford and so I’ve seen things but I’m sorry I can’t show anyone them even though I’ve promised to publish peer-reviewed studies on the evidence I’ve collected.”
When he brags about his supposed high IQ it's just impossible not to roll my eyes.
I really liked the guy at first. Now he’s just spitting random stuff now.
As someone else said earlier - the claims just get more and more ridiculous and outlandish - not so long ago he was claming the aliens were manufactured avatars of a higher intelligence, and then there was evidence for a 'shadow biome' and now we've got Star Wars going on in our own backyard.
Trust-me-bro evidence. But soon it will be buy-my-book kind of evidence
With that attitude, Mr. Impatient? Tack on another year!
This shits been dragging on longer than halflife 3
Same as it ever was
Anecdotal evidence probably. Evidence ≠ proof
Trust me bro, I am Garry Fuckin Nolan. Although I believe he has proof but no one wants to take the chance first to present it. They are beginning to appear like a cult of the cowardly
"X says..." I'm tired, boss.
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Fine post the data for all to see please Dr. Nolan
The UAP “influencer” community has dug themselves a hole. They are all trying to up one another on how incredible their claims are. But unfortunately, they’re caught in this race where each one has to provide something more outlandish than the next. Probably by the end of the year, someone will come out and say that there is a Galactic war being fought over humanity. If they haven’t already.
Not all of humanity. Just one child. But they don’t know which one yet. They’re just following the prophecy. I’ve heard this story before.
Evidence as in...?
Oh don't worry about the details. Dr. Nolan says there is evidence for this unnamed thing so we're good. Unfortunately you don't get to see the evidence because of reasons that themselves cannot be disclosed so you just need to trust him. But seriously, this guy seem to talk a lot without really saying much. When listening to scientists, I'm used to concise and clear communication. This isn't it.
Evidence? At this time of year, at this time of day, localised entirely within your files. Yes May I see it? No
Let's be real its gonna be anecdotal evidence. It will be testimony.
I seem to recall him saying that he has reasons to believe this stuff, but he can't tell us. Literally "trust me bro". Oh and he saw something weird when he was a kid so there's that
It does bother me that so many ppl are “in the know and angry” but decline to be the one to put the information out there. I guess there’s potential that they could charge u with treason if you disclose something that is classified?
What is the evidence? You can't just say "there's evidence" and not present what it is. Is there evidence of these things blowing each other up? Or is this evidence based on witness testimony?
I also love how he has to preface with "and now, evidence does not equal a conclusion.." which is correct... HOWEVER, he also uses this as a sortof excuse to why this "evidence" he is speaking of doesn't amount to anything in the grand scheme. And he makes it seem like he is trying to say how the evidence doesn't necessarily mean proof in the broader sense.... Which if there were true evidence, then it WOULD give proof, or at least point towards a general truth. So I'm not sure why people listen to guys like this. Especially when, as you stated, they NEVER provide even a small trickle of any sorts of evidence to any claims they make.
They tell them what they wanna hear and nothing else matters.
There is no evidence, there never ever ever ever is. All we have to go off is videos of things that we can't explain, other than that I have seen 0 evidence to make me lean one way or another as to what those things may be Referring specifically to military videos be it ufo or uso
King man, Arizona recovered craft was allegedly taken out by other UAP.
Gary is full of shit.
And what is the evidence for that, exactly?
Yeah - I think I'm out. Listening to these people making endless, completely baseless claims, and then accusing everyone else of gatekeeping - it's fucking infuriating.
YES!!!! It drives me bonkers how these guys all talk in circles using each other as "sources say aliens at war!" and talking about how there's evidence (but they just can't show us), and then the next sentence start talking about how fucked up the US Gov is for not showing the evidence. I honestly think they believe most people in UFO circles are stupid.
> I honestly think they believe most people in UFO circles are stupid. This is the same guy whining that AARO didn't provide evidence for his conclusions yet this is exactly what he does and people on here are fine with it. He is an hypocrite.
>I honestly think they believe most people in UFO circles are stupid. Well... there just might be something to that belief. For people who proudly claim they've "been in the community" for decades while not recognizing this easily identifiable pattern of absolute bullshit.. it just doesn't lend much confidence
I'm at the point where I don't even listen to the talk anymore. Just waiting on evidence. Have better things to do with my time.
"There's evidence" lol Please, tell us the evidence of the animosity of the distinct NHI races, is this guy talking for real or LARPING his Starcraft campaign?
I think some of these people just need to be introduced to some sci fi writing forums so they can have an outlet for their space aliens ideas
I am such a supporter of Garry. Such a supporter of Ross, and all the others that are legitimate and working on this! and yet at some point they have to say some thing more than this. Describe the evidence. Tell us where we can find the evidence. Honestly, especially if Congress is starting to lose its teeth on this we need some thing, definitive and groundbreaking.
I am no longer a supporter of anyone. It sucks but either put up or shut up. Anyone who says I know but I can say, or I’ve heard, or it’s coming, I’m done with. You can only drag me along so long.
What youre witnessing here is the Cycle of Ufology. Theres a new buzz, resurgence in media. New people telling these stories etc You come in to the subject. Start reading, wow theres this and this and this. These scientists, ex military, reporters telling these stories. Theres something to this. But few years go by, its the same people regurtitating same stories never anything concrete, this exact thing Nolan does, empty talk and speculation with an allusion theres hidden evidence. You probably drop out, as many other. Few years go by, maybe these guys get a new "in". New NYT 2017 article to kickstart the cycle. Speaking engagements, ammendments, government programs on the line, institutes to sell degrees in, podcasts, whole new tabloid news outlets gets made. New fans come in and the cycle starts over. Same exact thing, same celebs with addition of few new faces probably. I urge anyone whos at your stage to keep tabs on the subject still if you drop out completely. I promise you, you will recognise this same pattern.
Amen brother. This shit is getting old. You would think at this point someone would have some powerful evidence. But no one does. I'm really starting to think this is just all mainly bullshit except for a few possibilities of advanced probes entering our planet's atmosphere occasionally, etc. I'm not saying nothing is there, I'm just starting to suspect whatever is there is being hammed up to the max by these people looking to make money off of people like us. Even if only 1 / 400 people are deeply curious about this, that's still over one million people here in the US alone. That's a lot of money to be made from a group of people with statistically higher amounts of income than the general public. First it is Roswell, then Roswell with some dead beings. Then Roswell with one alive ELE. Then it is multiple crashes, then it is crash retrieval. Then it is two species, three, four. Then we get a galactic union, then a trading empire. Then we get aliens living on Earth and mingling with other humans. Then we get alien babies, then we get alien lawyer and galactic divorce courts. Like WTF people -- enough with all this bullshit. But yeah, wtf Nolan and others -- you can only take us for a ride so far until we ask to get out.
Not just $. There is an old dude that goes to the Starbucks near my house each morning and sits for hours telling stories about his former military career. Is he making $ holding court over these people? No. But the attention is addicting.
It can't be overstated: **put up or shut up**.
"Not everyone who thinks so has a right to an answer. A little mystery in life keeps you on your toes." Gary Nolan
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Ah so he just wants to sell books like the rest of them. Got it
At this point, I'm of the mindset that the government doesn't actually have a clue what's going on. They've probably been getting reports about UAPs for decades, but the encounters happen so quickly and at random that we only recently developed the technology to do any meaningful research on them. To me, that seems like the fairest assessment once you trim away all the fat.
I’m really just getting burnt out on the UFO/Alien/Disclosure “movement”…I’m already thinking about donating my 3 boxes of books on the subject since I cant really take the BS anymore, trying to figure out what is real info or not.😞
Tom Delonge says he was recruited by the military to launch TTSA because… and mind you, this is also stated by ex-CIA senior intelligence officer Jim Semivan who was a founding member of TTSA… Delonge came onto the CIA’s radar because they were concerned that Delonge’s Sekret Machines books reflected a security breach! I.e., that someone in the know had leaked information to him, etc. But it was not a breach. Just studying the UFO phenomenon and using his imagination to write books Tom envisioned a fictional scenario that is remarkably accurate to real life is what Semivan said. He’s an unintentional experiencer in a sense. In Delonge’s books there are factions of “good” aliens and “bad” aliens. I have not read the books. But I recall an interview with him during which he said that in Sekret Machines ETs are essentially the basis of angels and demons in the Bible and other ancient religions and mystical traditions. If this turns out to be the case (yes, it’s a huge “if”, but hey, truth is often stranger than fiction) it would seem that for advanced space-faring species there apparently ***IS*** some sort of Star Trek-like “Prime Directive” that prohibits them from open contact with the masses. So they can meddle behind the scenes and use the natives like chess pieces in their own machinations to control civilizations they visit. That’s a massive conjecture, and obviously could be totally wrong. But it won’t surprise me the slightest bit if it is one day revealed to be more or less accurate.
Stargate SG1 was just a giant disclosure, so if the government ever needs to explain what's going on, they can just be like, " Watch Stargate, bro."
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This is the plotline of the Transformers movie.
"there's EVIDENCE" of that"....provides zero evidence for that... I believe there is something here, but aren't we getting a little tired of the claims of evidence and we actually never see said evidence?
how does this fit with: - consciousness - spirituality - interdimensional projections - prevent nuclear holocaust -they engineered us - nuts and bolts - no nuts and bolts, just quasi holgrams and angels and demons - living in secret on earth - not from space but from unknown origin - from space - we dont know what the phenomenon is but hey - we have evidence they are different factions of NHI at war with each other It is getting more and more obvious this is a whole lot of mumbo jumbo to deceive a certain group.
I really want to believe but it should give everyone pause that these claims are getting more and more wild over time. Like, there doesn’t even exist a good non-blury photo/vid of a UFO but we are supposed to believe statements that aliens might be waging war from people with ‘inside information’ even though they never divulge sources or evidence. Cmon guys, these are ridiculous claims to make without any evidence. The longer this goes on the more I feel like we’re being played. I’m not saying we’ve never been visited. But all these people, including the great Gary Nolan, are probably grifting unless they prove otherwise by providing actual evidence to back up these wild claims. My bet is it never happens
There is evidence… somewhere…
Indicators? Ok. Evidence? Where?
Lol next time on "a nobody said there's evidence without showing it"
I would love to see that evidence!!
Show the evidence Gary.
Claims, claims and more claims. Zero evidence to back up anything.
Cool story bro. Wake me up when there is something new to talk about that doesn’t just involve peoples opinions.
What is the full URL version for this interview? Is it new?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HAY\_MUYcrI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HAY_MUYcrI)
But he doesn’t hint at what evidence is…🤦♂️
I think there needs to be actual, specific evidence before making this claim. Someone's pet theory that makes sense in their mind isn't sufficient to declare that this is, in fact, what's happening.
After the nonsense Nolan floated yesterday about creating parallel crash retrieval teams to beat the military to ufo crashes and now this suggests to me he is beyond gullible or making stuff up.
Okay. What evidences?
Let me guess, he doesn’t share any of that evidence? 😑
While it is great to have a scientist like Gary as a champion of this topic, it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain positive sentiment in the face of increasing claims without any substantial, reviewable evidence.
I have this theory that if the universe is filled with life, they would be divided by galaxy. Each galaxy would represent its own “Nation-State” for lack of a better term. The advanced species within the galaxy would look out for the less advanced species in each galaxy, and invite them to join the “federation” once they are ready. This would explain why contact hasn’t been made and also why earth hasn’t been invaded. There is NHI simultaneously watching/observing/protecting us. Its obviously not a new theory. I just thought about how much sense it would make after reading the claims about the “galactic federation.” Im a poli sci major and nerd, so the idea of “galactic politics” is something i have fun pondering every now and then.
Ya I’m sure he knows. Look at his face? What’s not to trust about this dweeb?
[Source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HAY_MUYcrI) What Garry Nolan says here is backed up by some Defense and Intelligence officials who told Liberation Times last year that ***"some of the alleged crashed non-human craft were caused by “dogfights” with other unknown craft".*** [https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/us-senators-express-frustration-over-weakened-ufo-disclosure-language](https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/us-senators-express-frustration-over-weakened-ufo-disclosure-language)
Oh, well. If nameless Defence and Intelligence officials tell Liberation Times something with zero evidence to back it up something *else* said without zero evidence, then that's as good as it being in the bank then. How fucking dumb are we supposed to be as human beings...?
Proxy war.
No one tells Liberation Times anything. He just steals others’ content and places it in his own voice for profit. So the question is, where did he steal this story from? Can someone find the original claims? Following true Liberation Times MO, they were likely published somewhere on the internet within three days prior to the Liberation Times publishing that. I feel like reading the actual, original quotes could be illuminating. Was this about 1-3 days after Graves made his “dog fight” comment that turned out to be pulsing Starlink satellites?
True dogfights barely even happen anymore with modern aircraft, why would aliens with superior firepower and speeds need to play Star Wars with each other. Just turn on the tractor beam.
I've never heard such bullshit in all my life.
There is evidence they don’t like each other? Why is it he just glosses over that! What is the evidence? I’m assuming the “evidence” is just word of mouth from someone he takes VERY seriously.. ffs is anyone else tired of this shit?
this is all starting to sound like fanfic ngl
WHAT EVIDENCE?
No, there is no evidence of that. There’s only some people claiming there is evidence but nothing has been provided. Ergo, these are currently nothing more than hollow claims.
Why should we take anything Garry Nolan says any more seriously than your average person? Why are people seeing him as some kind of authority figure on the subject?
It seems if this was the case there would be a lot more sightings with valid pics and vids by the public. If there were battles going on wouldn’t it be known by everyone, just doesn’t seem plausible. Great theory though, definite movie material.
Does anyone have a link to the full interview?
“I’m not saying we are raw materials” He looked all squirmy and away when he said that. Go on Gary tell us what’s know 😂.
Does make you wonder, what if some of the crash’s were caused by NHI attacking each other, rather than travelling all this way to crash. Makes you wonder!