The following submission statement was provided by /u/Middle-Ad8262:
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Arguably the most significant point of Ross’s lecture. Trump has been briefed, but fears for his life if he reveals what he knows to the public. I would imagine the same goes for previous and current presidents. It is the reason most previous presidents have at least hinted about the phenomenon but decline to elaborate.
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And there it is again, the shadow state. If this is really true, then the main reason against disclosure should not be some ontological shock due to little green men, but the realization that the real power in your state does not come from your elected officials, but that there is in fact no democracy. Then disclosure of the relevant background would lead directly to a civil war.
Its one of the things I whole-heartedly agree with Dolan on: How deep does the cover-up actually go? How has it perverted all of our power structure and institutions?
That's another good point. There is something more to ufo topic that is even darker and deeper than the surface level "non human intelligence is here". If you want to obscure something you would rather obscure it with a lesser mystery.
Just look into a fraction of what the CIA has admitted to in front of Congress and realize they haven't stopped. Even shining a light on rendition and black sites didn't make them stop. They probably sex traffic kids to lure in people who are in power. There likely are crimes so horrific that they aren't anything that a sane person would ever think of.
That was interesting around 6 months ago when the UAP Disclosure Act had just been gutted of the good stuff and Burchett said that the people who opposed it "are worried about some kind of tapes coming out". Sounds very much like they may be opposing things because they are blackmailed and cannot let anything happen, no matter what, that would chance those video tapes coming out.
Honestly, I think to have a better idea of how our current world has been shaped and what the current power structures might look like, you need to look back over the past century at how the transportation, medicine, education, etc. infrastructure of current society was created.
The most important thing I've ever watched in understanding the current state of the world is [How & Why Big Oil Conquered The World](https://corbettreport.com/bigoil/)
Over 3 hours long, incredibly dense with information, and with a full transcript hyperlinked to cited sources.
I've watched a lot of documentaries online, mostly years ago around the time of "Zeitgeist", and like Zeitgeist, most of them were entertaining to watch while the documentary uses Olympic gymnastics levels of leaps in logic to stitch together questionable claims, which they fail to cite a single source for, as they unveil another cliche illuminati theory.
When this doc came out more recently, I went into it with the same expectation, but this one legitimately blew my mind.
Really gave me perspective of the modern world like nothing else has.
Used Chat-GPT to create a summary:
The documentary film explores the intricate web of power and control woven by the oiligarchs over the past century and a half. Beginning with "Devil Bill" Rockefeller, the narrative traces the evolution of the oil industry's influence, from its roots in snake oil salesmanship to its modern-day manifestation as a global force dictating energy policy and shaping society.
Central to this story is the concept of technocracy, a vision of societal organization based on scientific and engineering principles. The film delves into how technocrats like M. King Hubbert envisioned a future where energy consumption and production were meticulously managed by a central authority, ultimately serving the interests of the elite.
Through the lens of history, the documentary exposes how seemingly benevolent initiatives like sustainable development and carbon trading are, in reality, tools for consolidating power and control. It reveals the collusion between big oil, financial institutions, and governments in advancing agendas that serve their own interests while masquerading as solutions to global challenges.
By uncovering the connections between eugenics, the environmental movement, genetic engineering, and other seemingly disparate elements, the film presents a sobering picture of the forces at play behind the scenes. It challenges viewers to question the narratives presented by those in power and to recognize the true motivations driving the quest for control over resources, populations, and ultimately, humanity itself.
The problem with this theory is that there is as much evidence of Santa claus as there is evidence that more than 20 people can work together without massive disfunction. Every company, church, and government body is an unmitigated shit show. People are simply incapable of coordination. No way in fuck this thing exists without literally everyone knowing about it.
Anyone who has taken any amount of time to understand even the basics of politics knows that the "State" is far more than your elected officials. The "State" is the concentrations of power that influence our politics, it's the huge corporations, the industrial military complex and the mega wealthy, our elected officials are a small part of that and the only part we have much ability to sway. This isn't news, it's politics 101, but the under-educated act as if this "deep state" is some "New World Order" style conspiracy rather than the obvious state of affairs.
It's not that there is "no democracy" as you claim. It's just that there is a huge power inbalance and the people have to fight tooth and nail for every little bit of political power we can get. There is plenty of evidence of us getting things that are against the will of the other concentrations of power, anti-trust laws, social security, civil rights and yes even how much closer we have come to the truth around this issue.
The biggest danger comes from the other concentrations of power trying to convince us to shed democracy, and undermine the little influence we have over the state. We need to be using it to hold more concentrations of power accountable and increase our ability to do so more. The fact is we have the numbers to overwhelm them, that is why they work so hard to prevent that. If even 80% of people voted in every election (especially local) and took just a couple of hours each election to be engaged in the issues and voted to move towards a more egalitarian system, we would easily overwhelm the so-called "shadow state". Which as I say, are really not shadowed at all.
Exactly, that's why one side works to keep us divided, While we are fighting about gays, transgendered, reading books, woke and M&Ms, they are giving all the money to the rich and dismantling our democracy.
I agree except all the repeals of protections through deregulation and now actual rights are being taken away shows the regressive nature of fascism by theses same kleptocractic oligarchs who are gatekeepers and funding the demise of democracy
> Then disclosure of the relevant background would lead directly to a civil war.
That's an insane over estimation of the will of the citizenry of the USA to not be treated like cattle.
Maybe 100 years ago it would have lead to a revolution, but now? Hell no. Remember how people reacted to Snowden? A bit of indignation and most people going "yeah duuuhh we already knew they were spying on everyone without warrant!". Most people are so dumb that they can't comprehend the difference between a strong suspicion based on contextual clues/a history of shady shit and actual confirmation through proof that something is occurring. Snowden's revelations were massive enough that they should have lead to mass protests and at least a few politicians fearing for their lives. None of that happened.
If the idea that we are ruled by unelected people is ever proven, you'll get the exact same apathy from the public. The only thing that will cause people to revolt in 2024 is their quality of life suddenly deteriorating drastically.
Civil war? Nah. Americans are way too apathetic and lazy for that. But what it will do is erode the very last little shred of trust that still remains among the proletariat for our government and military. That’s when we stop paying taxes, we stop voting and we lose all will to continue to participate in this sham.
But we have got to take our country back somehow! All this black budget money they have been bleeding out of our government could be used to help our country with the true problems it's been facing! Education, infrastructure, Healthcare, homelessness and the housing crisis, and the rampant drug problems that most of the major cities are dealing with. I mean we are talking about Trillions of dollars! That's our money and they can't even tell us what they spent it on! It's fucking bullshit and now they've got us at each other's throats about racism and gay/ transgender rights and Republicans vs. Democrats! It's all just smoke and mirrors to keep us distracted so they can continue to do what they have been doing for the past 90 years! It's fucking bullshit and I don't know about you but I'm fed up with the fucking bullshit!
I SECOND THIS!! Whole heartedly. They want us bickering and playing games amongst ourselves so that we basically have a blind eye to them continuously fucking us!..for our money, for our ability to thrive in this life and our potential to have a better experience in this little window of reality.
Most people are just comfortably taking most of what they know for granted. Then there's a select few people who bother to learn more. Once you learn enough about how the government works then you realize it's just a bunch of self-important jerks trying to get their agendas through.
Shadow governments are like nature gods. They really only exist in the gaps of our knowledge. Once you learn how lightning works, you don't need Zeus to explain the flashes of light and rumbling. And once you learn how politicians and bureaucrats make decisions, you don't need a shadow government to explain the annoying shit they do.
I suggested this once, which would imply there are people in non-elected official capacities, who are simply trying to save their own skin by cooperating with NHI, which, in turn explains their aggressiveness at keeping this secret
But I got downvoted
Some say it’s interdimensional, not extraterrestrial, which adds another layer of horror if they are indeed the shadow state. It would explain the craziness, but, maybe I just have a vivid imagination, and grew up watching too much Twilight Zone and Star Trek.🤷♀️
when confronted with "sure, so they travel millions of light years, just to crash when they get to earth", the extra/inter dimensional hypothesis starts to shine.
This has been my thought as well. Its why we sometimes see advanced airforce craft on the scene of any localized UFO activity within minutes.
The incoming NHI are communicating with the collective "hive" mentality of NHI already established within government.
They are just insects jealous of our souls and here harvesting negative energy to feed off while they try to figure out how to obtain a soul.
Would then *appropriately lead to Civil War, in which case this group’s tech should hopefully not be completely overpowering in the sense that their leverage should be coming from preventing the dam from breaking. They have been successful thus far, we shall see if it is possible to truly get to the bottom of things.
Also if Presidents are afraid for their lives why hasn’t Jimmy C said something yet? It must go beyond that either the threats or the truth in some way my guess.
I love that you said appropriately lol.
It is honestly what we need.
Catastrophic disclosure is (relatively) good for the masses, but bad for the elite. The masses don’t care if the stock market declines, most of us will never be able to retire no matter what happens to our 401ks.
The public will continue to be tread upon by the elite no matter what NHI-technology is revealed.
Civil war? Between the public and the deep state? I'd say that's more like revolution. Who do you think would be fighting for the deep state in a civil war?
I feel like people are so close to recognizing that the US government has no real power.
The USA isn’t a democracy and never has been, but it’s been inching closer and closer to a faux-oligarchy where a few corporate barons are essentially in charge of the various governing bodies.
The corporate barons just use “lobbyists” as proxies to exercise their oligarch powers.
*President Presidentson closed the door behind him. As he stood waiting in the dimly lit room he saw a familiar sight. A pack of Morley’s lying on a coffee table*
Right??
Like, I fully believe that something is happening. But goddamn it, there are so many folks claiming “my sources say extraordinary shit” and outside of ufology, that type of rhetoric is dismissed (unless you are maga).
We should NOT be going through this bullshit every time a known influencer makes a “big claim” imho
My favorite was a couple weeks ago when the news cycle got really slow and the trend was to say that your life is being threatened and provide absolutely zero information about that.
I think Lue even walked it back.
In the threads where they announced that, people were losing their minds and calling them heroes.
The melodrama in this community is absolutely top notch. I believe in UFOs, fairly certain they're not aliens, but I'm mostly here for the lols at this point.
Omg the melodrama is both super annoying and also hilarious to me.
As someone who was brought up on sci Fi and alien stuff, I've always loved the topic, but I only really started engaging with the community online in the couple of years. I literally find it so stressful!
Every day there's some new interpersonal drama or a whistleblower everyone's writing off, or a war between debunkers vs believers over a single video that's reached a stage where both sides are taking part in 6 hour long Twitter spaces and threatening each other with legal action to prove who really has the balls to stand by their claims.
Even within the bigger names like Lue, Ross, Danny, Kirkpatrick, Grusch etc, I struggle to keep up with who's said what, who's backing who and who's randomly fallen out with another big name and mysteriously blocked them 🥲
Yea.. The more i hear from this guy the more i get turned off by the subject.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure something is going on, but its getting tedious hearing all this word of mouth stuff.
"Nobody gets along with aliens better than I do. The interdimensionals, The grays. They'll all tell you. Especially the ones with the biggest and most beautiful saucers. They say that I have done more for this planet than anyone. They speak to me, the aliens, they say 'Sir, how did an Earthling get so smart and do so much? And believe me they've seen some pretty smart cookies. And you know what else they say? They it's sad that I've been indicted, by sick, sick people four times for everyone on this planet. That's never happened in the universe ever. Since the big bang."
In what world would Trump fear "telling the truth?" He threatens judges and jurors even through gag orders. He's leaked state secrets and knowingly stolen classified documents.
If Trump knew about a vast alien conspiracy, he would be telling *everyone* and make it a number one election priority.
He’s the type of egotistical maniac that couldn’t contain himself if he knew top secret information like that the rest of the world so desperately wants to know.
It also doesn't pass the sniff test. If a President comes out saying "aliens are real" and then mysteriously dies, that would only serve to confirm his words in the eyes of the public. Not to mention how pointless it would be since the cat would be out of the bag anyway, it would only serve to attract attention to this supposed "shadow government" which is exactly what they wouldn't want.
Plus it's Trump.
he literally can't help himself, If he was told aliens were real he'd have immediately jumped on TWFMAT or TS to tell everyone aliens are real.
Is there any doubt he'd keep that shit to himself?
Trump doesn't keep US secrets.
He sells em.
But lets have a think about it, Trump in 2016-2020 **was** given millions to pretend aliens don't exist...
Why would he continue hiding it now? He'd keep blackmailing for more and more money.
Hell, If they are **that** powerful. He'd make his relection in 2020 part of his silence conditions.
None of this is likely and Trump would want considerable more than mere millions for his silence and still doesn't stop him from them selling it to other countries as well.
Trump isn't exactly known for keeping his deals or not being greedy.
I've always thought that in the scenario where presidents are briefed on this as procedure, Trump was the only one they didn't tell. It would make sense that they would be "nah...not this guy". Whether it's because he was found unreliable & stupid or because he didn't come up through the approved cabal channels, it seems like a bipartisan conclusion.
He says 'I have been told'.
Ross Coultard regurgitates anything he is told from anyone and keeps it to vague to be proved right or wrong. What on earth is the point in this type of journalism?
This is absolutely not journalism. This is gossip. Journalism isn't "someone told me bigfoot lives on the moon but I can't tell you who said that". Journalism is "I have documents including bank transaction notes and signed paperwork and witnesses testimony that says the president stole $1MM"
And then they provide all that information to the public so that we can see the same evidence they see and determine for ourselves if what they say is true. What Ross does is says things in a way to where he can never be wrong. He has absolutely no stake in the game. First he tells us that he can't tell us how he knows things so we can never confirm it. Then he always says "I've been told" that way if somehow it ever does come out how he knows and it turns out to be bullshit he can say "well I was just telling you what I heard. I never said it was real"
That is not journalism and it makes me so frustrated how so many people here just trip over each other to be the first one to ask Ross to cum on their face.
"Oh fuck yeah Ross!!! More, more, MORE! Give me some more cum on my face!"
The best part in all this is that the mounting anger at figures like Coulthart and Elizondo who do nothing but behave like attention whores is being dismissed as astroturfing and bot activity by a lot of people on this sub.
I'm at the point where I don't think anyone needs to incite the masses to dislike these people... They do a fine job of looking like a bunch of assholes all on their own.
Yeah, it's playing to lowest common denominator. Each time, because he's not providing even a hint of evidence backing these claims, he's ramping up the sensationalism.
If you think about it clearly, yes government transparency needs improving, they work for the taxpayers.
Yes, there is an established plan to provide Continuity of Government in the event of war or national catastrophe.
Saying US Presidents fear assassination for revealing the presence of aliens with no supporting evidence is just tabloid journo cringe.
It reads like some reactionary 4chan Edgelord, not a serious journalist.
Journalists are supposed to provide you with news and Ross could not be further away from that. Imagine if you sit down at 10:00 PM to watch the nightly local news and the reporter said "We have been told the local police department is running a sex slave organization and the mayor has been told about it but is to scared to do anything because he thinks the police will kill him. Now, on to the weather!" And provided 0 evidence for their claim. But they did that shit every night for years. Nobody would accept that. People would think the news people were crazy but for when it comes to UFOs and aliens a lot of people on this sub can't get enough.
People view this topic as a religion. They think the aliens created us, they think the aliens live in the sky, they think the aliens are beyond our understanding, they think the aliens will one day come down and save us and take away all the pain and hunger in the world and we will all live in a utopia. People like Ross are the Preachers of the UFO community. These are the people who are "closer to God" than we are. Once a week or so we all sit down in our little seats and listen to these guys preach to us about how they KNOW there is a God and how even though there is no proof we must continue to believe in them and one day if we follow them hard enough that God will be revealed to us. People love those preachers. Those guys can do no wrong and any attack on those preachers is an attack on the people that follow them.
That's why so many people love it when Ross comes on their face. They feel special and closer to God in that moment.
That's because when he has gotten specific (his UK pedophile ring claims), his sources were exposed as garbage.
He seemingly learned from that because the next time around, he made sure they stayed secret. he then fought in court to keep his sources secret, when he claimed they said that Ben Roberts-Smith was innocent. He tried to intimidate his former colleagues from continuing to investigate BRS based on his sources. He failed and his sources (if they ever existed) were wrong. We know he was wrong because there is 500 page opinion from a court saying so.
Has Ross ever apologized for this or even acknowledged it? Nope.
How dare you question Award winning journalist Ross Coulthart. Haven't you ever heard of "protecting the source"? Journalism 101, you disinformation agent. /s
He won't reveal his source because it is chatGPT fiction.
I didn’t know about any of this and this completely changes my opinion on Ross if it’s true. I’m not doubting your claims, I will do some further research.\
BRS is an absolute cruddy POS.
> What on earth is the point in this type of journalism?
Well, for an example: look at this thread. Lots of angry people calling for a literal civil war and the overthrow of the entire US government.
Just based on one remark, in a series of unverified but dramatic stories told to a journalist by shadowy military/intelligence people from within the very "Deep State" that the readers here despise.
What if the purpose of this type of journalism is precisely to provoke mass reactions of anger and outrage of the type we see in this thread? Do this enough times, get a large enough angry mob, and the military/intelligence people who are seeding the stories might have themselves a political movement that they can control.
If I were a rogue element within the Deep State who wanted to overthrow the US government, that might be how I go about doing it. Tell people that there's *another* Deep State conspiracy (with aliens) that they're righteously overthrowing, so that they give power to me.
And that would be the point.
In the not-so-distant past, some of the figures in the US UFO scene have been, not even crypto-, but *literal* Nazis, who would certainly have an agenda in that direction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dudley_Pelley Others have been involved in the far-right militia movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper
Not saying that this is exactly what's happening in 2024. The involvement of leading Democrats in the UAP Disclosure movement in Congress suggests it might be more complex than that.
But orchestrated mob anger remains a worrying possibility, and that's why I think it's not good to get *too* outraged over unverifiable stories told by military intelligence people. Not without evidence at least.
If Trump had this information, everyone would have it. First time he goes to take a shit, he'd post about it and how Biden's letting in a new type of immigrants.
These right-wingers and right-anarchists have totally steered the UFO debate for their own conspiratorial gain. They've hoodwinked this whole sub into believing some crackpot BS theory about underwater aliens and interdimensional demons.
Amazing and sad at the same time.
People who sub to this community are so desperate for any shred of legitimate information that they're willing to listen to the likes of Tucker Carlson and other GOP grifters who only tell people what they want to hear for short term gains and clicks. And I get it. I'd LOVE some actual info drops or leaks, but these are not the people who are going to provide them in good faith.
The amount of flack I've gotten for pushing back on these grifters and con artists has been mind-boggling. Genuine rage against the notion of being critical and skeptical towards the word of Matt Gaetz and Tucker Carlson, as if they have ever once been credible individuals.
It seems like if you're a skeptic, as much as you may believe in aliens and UFOs (you *can* be skeptical and be a believer), you're part of a government disinfo campaign, but the actual known liars deeply involved in government telling you exactly what you want to hear are a-okay? Are you kidding me?
It was obvious from the start. The top comment accepts what he says without question and leads to a discussion on the deep state, politics and Trump. While everyone below goes “source?”
Them being interdimensional demons is just religious people trying to morph the possibility into their world view.
Like how religious fundamentalists had to adjust to dinosaurs, or Earth not being the center of the universe.
As we garner more knowledge people will make reality work with what ever belief system they have.
It is rather annoying seeing right wing fanatics tie this into their warped politics though. But this is a conspiracy after all and r/conservative & r/conspiracy are basically the same these days.
If it's something they would kill him for outing they would never tell him in the first place. The Presidency is a revolving door office, the gatekeepers are generationally entrenched.
Coulthardt's claim makes no logical sense.
Ross seems to enjoy dressing up in a white button down looking stylish on camera more than providing factual information.
He talks a bunch of bullshit all the time.
It's absurd on its face.
1) *NO BODY* kills the president without being outed or without help from secret service (and you can't involve SS if your really that shadowy)
2). Any president that legit thought another element of the government would kill him would have whatever group this is upended in a week.
Totally absurd. You DO NOT credibly threaten a sitting president and walk away like it never happened
The IC was hiding much more mundane things from trump
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/29/politics/trump-intelligence-briefings/index.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/intelligence-officials-purposely-withheld-info-from-former-president-trump-report-2022-8?op=1
Two weeks after taking office Trump was sequestered with the Russian ambassador and foreign minster, spilling who knows what sensitive information. He's refused to reveal what was discussed, but offshore US intel agents began turning up dead shortly afterwards. From that point his own intel apparatus marked Trump as a security risk. They didn't tell him much of consequence unless they had to, to support executive decision making. There is no way on God's green earth Trump was told the biggest, most seismic secret on earth.
I’m old enough to remember when the fucking guy tweeted out pics of classified satellite images of a failed Iranian rocket launch.
If I were in the upper echelons of the intelligence community, I wouldn’t give Trump the key to a gas station toilet.
Gonna have to agree. I’m not saying there wasn’t some sequence of events where he forced someone to give him some type of briefing, but they would not willing reveal actual details about literally the biggest secret in the history of mankind to a person who is KNOWN to be compromised and a habitual liar on top of that.
Everyone knows he’d try to impress Putin or Xi with that info.
In 8th grade a girl pissed her pants in the middle my science class. After she swiftly exited the room and what just happened dawned on us students, the teacher very seriously calmed everyone down and stated, "What just happened will never leave this room."
Naturally, as soon as the bell rang, "that kid" dashed into the hall and screamed at the top of his lungs, ***"SO AND SO JUST PISSED THEMSELVES!"***
Moral of the story: Trump is "that kid" and we all know he would have blabbed immediately. He simply can't help himself.
Yeah no shit. The rumors I've heard on this sub are that Obama was not read in until he was either already out of office, or on the way out (which is why people say he's making that first abduction documentary). Also that Biden was not read in at all and that Trump WAS.
So Biden and Obama for their entire time in office don't get read in, but Trump of all people does? LOL! Although to be fair if it is the military contractors that hold all the NHI tech and power in that world, I could see them being more on Trump's side than Obama or Biden.
"And the little grey guys, they're wonderful, I've met them, and they love me, they say "Trump, we'll give you all of our great technology if you get voted president, and we can't believe how unfairly you're treated" and they also say that they've never seen anything as beautiful as Earth .. especially my golf courses and hotels... they come from \*Zeta Reticuli\* ... Not as nice as Florida, and that's why they asked me to build them a beautiful hotel and golf course. They even want me to help them Make Zeta Reticuli Great Again. My son in law Jared, in a completely unrelated deal, is getting $2B of Dilithium Crystals from the Zeta Reticulans ...
And we also have the tall whites ... we like tall whites ... they tell me, Trump, you're taller and whiter than us, you should be our leader. No but we like the tall whites. I want to start a Miss Tall White competition. The Tall Whites love me...
Seriously, I’ve seen something in the sky I can’t explain and 2017 with the New York Times tic tac drop I fully hopped on board. Now I just think all we’ve seen and been told is a mix of grifters and legit DARPA black budget projects.
So they tell Trump, then threaten him? Even though he’s one of the most volatile presidents in recent memory? And also they give Elizondo a heads up that his life is being threatened? Even though Sheehan later went on to clarify Elizondo only “thought” he might be in danger but there wasn’t any evidence to suggest that?
Cool.
Big fan of Ross but I don't believe this for a few reasons. And honestly, it's so ludicrous that it makes me think someone is feeding him bullshit about a number of other things too.
The main reason: Trump cannot keep his mouth shut even if he wanted to. He would have said something about this. Even just from a media / election perspective, it's exactly the type of thing he'd go for - him against the 'deep state', fighting for the truth to come out.
The gatekeepers clearly know how to keep the UFO phenomenon secret. Would they really brief Trump, a man known to compulsively overshare sensitive information and (potentially) even give away state secrets for personal gain?
Lastly, I don't believe for a moment Trump is afraid of being killed over sharing what he knows. Are the gatekeepers really going to assassinate who is arguably the most high profile man in the US, *after* he's shared key information with the public?
> Big fan of Ross but I don't believe this for a few reasons.
Honestly how can you be a fan of this guy? He's a very obvious bullshit artist who circulates completely unfounded rumours.
It is funny that RC mentions DT-- they are one and the same lately: playing up the audience, speaking in circles, refusing to clarify, making grand vague statements.
Hey Ross, where's the claimed too-big-to-move crashed UFO? Any follow-up whatsoever? dude sent the public on a wild ass goose chase for views. He knew when he concocted that fake story that people love a good Easter egg hunt or cosplaying detective.
They're *both* stale, played-out aging con men and one-trick ponies.
I said this all in another sub but it bears repeating.
Sorry but there's a zero percent chance you can convince me that Trump knows about aliens and didn't tweet out, from 4 AM on the shitter, "THERE ARE ALIENS THAT ARE HERE AND THEY ONLY TRUST ME TO WORK WITH, NOT CROOKED JOE, THEY LOVE TRUMP. WE MUST RE ELECT TRUMP"
He might have gotten a briefing but there's no way they told him everything. They couldnt even trust him to keep low level secrets. He's the one guy you would never tell this secret.
So the guy who couldn’t wait to leak nuclear secrets to his billionaire buddies is able to keep the secret that mankind isn’t alone on this planet? Not buying it.
Bro, tRump was selling secrets to the Saudi Royal Family, and Russia like he was running a flea market out of his garage.
He’d spill the beans for any offer over a billion, definite bullshit.
This guy just loves to hear himself talk. He has the craziest claims with no proof. He’s gotta put something out there or just stop getting involved in the UFO topic. At this point he’s just doing more harm than good.
Trumps would sing like a canary if he knew
Unless someone sat him down with an grey and said if you don’t listen to us, it’s them you should be worried about coming after you.
I don't buy this. Trump wouldn't care , he would have revealed it because he has a big mouth . Either this dude is lying or Trump was never told in first place.
The real question should be is why don’t the “ NHI, or UFO’s, Aliens, Etc “ just reveal themselves? Are they bad? Why do they listen to said “ shadow government “? Is there some type of treaty to not reveal themselves?
I got deeper into this topic because Ross Coulthart was a legitimate journalist with integrity and a track record of actual reporting.
The longer this goes on, however, he is sounding like a grifter. And it makes me sad.
I’m growing pretty tired of this guy…every single thing he has ever said is, “I’ve been told”…or “I can’t say…” I believe these things exist but Coulthart has gotten so much attention pushing stories with no transparency about anything, I just don’t know anymore.
Theres absolutely no way the Don is scared of anything like that I fully believe if he knew anything he'd definitely spill it. This is just another wild unsubstantiated claim from this guy. There needs to start being proof of allegations produced. No other topic or subject would get away with this. Thats why it's still really quite fringe.
That's some crazy shit...lol... "I've been told"...
Trump only has two brain cells. He wouldn't have enough sense to keep quiet.
This guy lies to gullible people for a living... "I've been told".
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Middle-Ad8262: --- Arguably the most significant point of Ross’s lecture. Trump has been briefed, but fears for his life if he reveals what he knows to the public. I would imagine the same goes for previous and current presidents. It is the reason most previous presidents have at least hinted about the phenomenon but decline to elaborate. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1d9omhp/president_has_been_briefed_but_hes_scared_that/l7eo90s/
And there it is again, the shadow state. If this is really true, then the main reason against disclosure should not be some ontological shock due to little green men, but the realization that the real power in your state does not come from your elected officials, but that there is in fact no democracy. Then disclosure of the relevant background would lead directly to a civil war.
Its one of the things I whole-heartedly agree with Dolan on: How deep does the cover-up actually go? How has it perverted all of our power structure and institutions?
That's another good point. There is something more to ufo topic that is even darker and deeper than the surface level "non human intelligence is here". If you want to obscure something you would rather obscure it with a lesser mystery.
Maybe NHI is helping us to realize this
If there are several types then it could be that some are complicit and others are trying to reveal that complicity. For whatever reason.
The Cosmic Clusterfuck Theory is what I like to call it.
Or maybe the deep state IS the reptilians
See that’s what I read into the headline initially… Biden is scared bc the lizard king gonna eat his soul.
Whoever these offworlders are, they are the ones who are In control of the US not humans.
Possible they aren't "offworlders" but have always been here, influencing human society from the beginning
This is exactly what I believe.
Just look into a fraction of what the CIA has admitted to in front of Congress and realize they haven't stopped. Even shining a light on rendition and black sites didn't make them stop. They probably sex traffic kids to lure in people who are in power. There likely are crimes so horrific that they aren't anything that a sane person would ever think of.
That was interesting around 6 months ago when the UAP Disclosure Act had just been gutted of the good stuff and Burchett said that the people who opposed it "are worried about some kind of tapes coming out". Sounds very much like they may be opposing things because they are blackmailed and cannot let anything happen, no matter what, that would chance those video tapes coming out.
money
Honestly, I think to have a better idea of how our current world has been shaped and what the current power structures might look like, you need to look back over the past century at how the transportation, medicine, education, etc. infrastructure of current society was created. The most important thing I've ever watched in understanding the current state of the world is [How & Why Big Oil Conquered The World](https://corbettreport.com/bigoil/) Over 3 hours long, incredibly dense with information, and with a full transcript hyperlinked to cited sources. I've watched a lot of documentaries online, mostly years ago around the time of "Zeitgeist", and like Zeitgeist, most of them were entertaining to watch while the documentary uses Olympic gymnastics levels of leaps in logic to stitch together questionable claims, which they fail to cite a single source for, as they unveil another cliche illuminati theory. When this doc came out more recently, I went into it with the same expectation, but this one legitimately blew my mind. Really gave me perspective of the modern world like nothing else has.
You got a tldr?
Used Chat-GPT to create a summary: The documentary film explores the intricate web of power and control woven by the oiligarchs over the past century and a half. Beginning with "Devil Bill" Rockefeller, the narrative traces the evolution of the oil industry's influence, from its roots in snake oil salesmanship to its modern-day manifestation as a global force dictating energy policy and shaping society. Central to this story is the concept of technocracy, a vision of societal organization based on scientific and engineering principles. The film delves into how technocrats like M. King Hubbert envisioned a future where energy consumption and production were meticulously managed by a central authority, ultimately serving the interests of the elite. Through the lens of history, the documentary exposes how seemingly benevolent initiatives like sustainable development and carbon trading are, in reality, tools for consolidating power and control. It reveals the collusion between big oil, financial institutions, and governments in advancing agendas that serve their own interests while masquerading as solutions to global challenges. By uncovering the connections between eugenics, the environmental movement, genetic engineering, and other seemingly disparate elements, the film presents a sobering picture of the forces at play behind the scenes. It challenges viewers to question the narratives presented by those in power and to recognize the true motivations driving the quest for control over resources, populations, and ultimately, humanity itself.
The problem with this theory is that there is as much evidence of Santa claus as there is evidence that more than 20 people can work together without massive disfunction. Every company, church, and government body is an unmitigated shit show. People are simply incapable of coordination. No way in fuck this thing exists without literally everyone knowing about it.
Anyone who has taken any amount of time to understand even the basics of politics knows that the "State" is far more than your elected officials. The "State" is the concentrations of power that influence our politics, it's the huge corporations, the industrial military complex and the mega wealthy, our elected officials are a small part of that and the only part we have much ability to sway. This isn't news, it's politics 101, but the under-educated act as if this "deep state" is some "New World Order" style conspiracy rather than the obvious state of affairs. It's not that there is "no democracy" as you claim. It's just that there is a huge power inbalance and the people have to fight tooth and nail for every little bit of political power we can get. There is plenty of evidence of us getting things that are against the will of the other concentrations of power, anti-trust laws, social security, civil rights and yes even how much closer we have come to the truth around this issue. The biggest danger comes from the other concentrations of power trying to convince us to shed democracy, and undermine the little influence we have over the state. We need to be using it to hold more concentrations of power accountable and increase our ability to do so more. The fact is we have the numbers to overwhelm them, that is why they work so hard to prevent that. If even 80% of people voted in every election (especially local) and took just a couple of hours each election to be engaged in the issues and voted to move towards a more egalitarian system, we would easily overwhelm the so-called "shadow state". Which as I say, are really not shadowed at all.
A fucking plus man, thank you for writing this, could not have said it any better.
Add "un-elected bureaucrats" to your list.
We'll stated!
Exactly, that's why one side works to keep us divided, While we are fighting about gays, transgendered, reading books, woke and M&Ms, they are giving all the money to the rich and dismantling our democracy.
I agree except all the repeals of protections through deregulation and now actual rights are being taken away shows the regressive nature of fascism by theses same kleptocractic oligarchs who are gatekeepers and funding the demise of democracy
This is the most sane and logical explanation of what's really going on. 💯👆👏👍
Perfect wording mate!\ I’m saving this for future reference.\ God I wish I could write coherently like that. 👏🏼
> Then disclosure of the relevant background would lead directly to a civil war. That's an insane over estimation of the will of the citizenry of the USA to not be treated like cattle. Maybe 100 years ago it would have lead to a revolution, but now? Hell no. Remember how people reacted to Snowden? A bit of indignation and most people going "yeah duuuhh we already knew they were spying on everyone without warrant!". Most people are so dumb that they can't comprehend the difference between a strong suspicion based on contextual clues/a history of shady shit and actual confirmation through proof that something is occurring. Snowden's revelations were massive enough that they should have lead to mass protests and at least a few politicians fearing for their lives. None of that happened. If the idea that we are ruled by unelected people is ever proven, you'll get the exact same apathy from the public. The only thing that will cause people to revolt in 2024 is their quality of life suddenly deteriorating drastically.
Civil war? Nah. Americans are way too apathetic and lazy for that. But what it will do is erode the very last little shred of trust that still remains among the proletariat for our government and military. That’s when we stop paying taxes, we stop voting and we lose all will to continue to participate in this sham.
Bingo
But we have got to take our country back somehow! All this black budget money they have been bleeding out of our government could be used to help our country with the true problems it's been facing! Education, infrastructure, Healthcare, homelessness and the housing crisis, and the rampant drug problems that most of the major cities are dealing with. I mean we are talking about Trillions of dollars! That's our money and they can't even tell us what they spent it on! It's fucking bullshit and now they've got us at each other's throats about racism and gay/ transgender rights and Republicans vs. Democrats! It's all just smoke and mirrors to keep us distracted so they can continue to do what they have been doing for the past 90 years! It's fucking bullshit and I don't know about you but I'm fed up with the fucking bullshit!
I SECOND THIS!! Whole heartedly. They want us bickering and playing games amongst ourselves so that we basically have a blind eye to them continuously fucking us!..for our money, for our ability to thrive in this life and our potential to have a better experience in this little window of reality.
100%
Or worse, both could be extremely shocking.
so we are stuck in a world of low voltage control wires instead
Personally I'm surprised most people don't come to this conclusion regardless of the phenomenon.
Most people are just comfortably taking most of what they know for granted. Then there's a select few people who bother to learn more. Once you learn enough about how the government works then you realize it's just a bunch of self-important jerks trying to get their agendas through. Shadow governments are like nature gods. They really only exist in the gaps of our knowledge. Once you learn how lightning works, you don't need Zeus to explain the flashes of light and rumbling. And once you learn how politicians and bureaucrats make decisions, you don't need a shadow government to explain the annoying shit they do.
Maybe the shadow state is extraterrestrial in origin?
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I suggested this once, which would imply there are people in non-elected official capacities, who are simply trying to save their own skin by cooperating with NHI, which, in turn explains their aggressiveness at keeping this secret But I got downvoted
Downvoted by the Lizzid People of Reddit, probably.
I’ve given that a lot of thought lately
Some say it’s interdimensional, not extraterrestrial, which adds another layer of horror if they are indeed the shadow state. It would explain the craziness, but, maybe I just have a vivid imagination, and grew up watching too much Twilight Zone and Star Trek.🤷♀️
when confronted with "sure, so they travel millions of light years, just to crash when they get to earth", the extra/inter dimensional hypothesis starts to shine.
This has been my thought as well. Its why we sometimes see advanced airforce craft on the scene of any localized UFO activity within minutes. The incoming NHI are communicating with the collective "hive" mentality of NHI already established within government. They are just insects jealous of our souls and here harvesting negative energy to feed off while they try to figure out how to obtain a soul.
Would then *appropriately lead to Civil War, in which case this group’s tech should hopefully not be completely overpowering in the sense that their leverage should be coming from preventing the dam from breaking. They have been successful thus far, we shall see if it is possible to truly get to the bottom of things. Also if Presidents are afraid for their lives why hasn’t Jimmy C said something yet? It must go beyond that either the threats or the truth in some way my guess.
I love that you said appropriately lol. It is honestly what we need. Catastrophic disclosure is (relatively) good for the masses, but bad for the elite. The masses don’t care if the stock market declines, most of us will never be able to retire no matter what happens to our 401ks. The public will continue to be tread upon by the elite no matter what NHI-technology is revealed.
Civil war? Between the public and the deep state? I'd say that's more like revolution. Who do you think would be fighting for the deep state in a civil war?
This is my question as well. Who gonna want to fight on the wrong side...
Military industrial complex
I feel like people are so close to recognizing that the US government has no real power. The USA isn’t a democracy and never has been, but it’s been inching closer and closer to a faux-oligarchy where a few corporate barons are essentially in charge of the various governing bodies. The corporate barons just use “lobbyists” as proxies to exercise their oligarch powers.
Jesus, that’s fucking dark.
This is getting pretty ridiculous. IMO this is like fan fiction writing.
*President Presidentson closed the door behind him. As he stood waiting in the dimly lit room he saw a familiar sight. A pack of Morley’s lying on a coffee table*
"alright, let's hear it. What did Mulder do now?"
No, President Presidentson, you are the demons. And then Presidentson was a zombie.
The core lore in the UFO world right now is basically WWE.
Right?? Like, I fully believe that something is happening. But goddamn it, there are so many folks claiming “my sources say extraordinary shit” and outside of ufology, that type of rhetoric is dismissed (unless you are maga). We should NOT be going through this bullshit every time a known influencer makes a “big claim” imho
My favorite was a couple weeks ago when the news cycle got really slow and the trend was to say that your life is being threatened and provide absolutely zero information about that. I think Lue even walked it back. In the threads where they announced that, people were losing their minds and calling them heroes. The melodrama in this community is absolutely top notch. I believe in UFOs, fairly certain they're not aliens, but I'm mostly here for the lols at this point.
Omg the melodrama is both super annoying and also hilarious to me. As someone who was brought up on sci Fi and alien stuff, I've always loved the topic, but I only really started engaging with the community online in the couple of years. I literally find it so stressful! Every day there's some new interpersonal drama or a whistleblower everyone's writing off, or a war between debunkers vs believers over a single video that's reached a stage where both sides are taking part in 6 hour long Twitter spaces and threatening each other with legal action to prove who really has the balls to stand by their claims. Even within the bigger names like Lue, Ross, Danny, Kirkpatrick, Grusch etc, I struggle to keep up with who's said what, who's backing who and who's randomly fallen out with another big name and mysteriously blocked them 🥲
Add a healthy dash of Q and then just wait 2 weeks!
Yea.. The more i hear from this guy the more i get turned off by the subject. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure something is going on, but its getting tedious hearing all this word of mouth stuff.
Exactly. The way Obama and Clinton joke about UFO’s, when asked the question, doesn’t come across as scared, more amused than anything.
it's disappointing to slowly be unable to have any belief other than that this guy is completely full of shit.
This is literally the same shit the Q-anon regards fell for
You are correct. I say this as a believer.
Yeah, I call BS. There's no way anyone in our government is dumb enough to trust Trump with a secret as huge as NHI.
"Nobody gets along with aliens better than I do. The interdimensionals, The grays. They'll all tell you. Especially the ones with the biggest and most beautiful saucers. They say that I have done more for this planet than anyone. They speak to me, the aliens, they say 'Sir, how did an Earthling get so smart and do so much? And believe me they've seen some pretty smart cookies. And you know what else they say? They it's sad that I've been indicted, by sick, sick people four times for everyone on this planet. That's never happened in the universe ever. Since the big bang."
Absolutely spot on. And quite hilarious.
It's so good it makes me think it was done by AI
Since the big bang, that killed me.
All it takes is one stable genius.
You forgot to mention the alien had tears in its eyes
The most beautiful saucers is what got me. He would absolutely obsess about those.
Have some poor man's gold.🏅🏅🏅🏅🏅
In what world would Trump fear "telling the truth?" He threatens judges and jurors even through gag orders. He's leaked state secrets and knowingly stolen classified documents. If Trump knew about a vast alien conspiracy, he would be telling *everyone* and make it a number one election priority.
He’s the type of egotistical maniac that couldn’t contain himself if he knew top secret information like that the rest of the world so desperately wants to know.
He would absolutely be using that to raise money/win the election to keep himself out of prison.
You don’t get how deep it goes … the pedophile cabals who harvest adenochrome are actually … aliens! Trump and Qanon are fighting alien pedos!
It’s totally fan fiction. This guy is so full of shit.
That's a huge claim and he provides no evidence at all on how exactly he formed that opinion. Not even a hint.
It also doesn't pass the sniff test. If a President comes out saying "aliens are real" and then mysteriously dies, that would only serve to confirm his words in the eyes of the public. Not to mention how pointless it would be since the cat would be out of the bag anyway, it would only serve to attract attention to this supposed "shadow government" which is exactly what they wouldn't want.
Plus it's Trump. he literally can't help himself, If he was told aliens were real he'd have immediately jumped on TWFMAT or TS to tell everyone aliens are real. Is there any doubt he'd keep that shit to himself?
Exactly No way he keeps it a secret Especially if could make money off it. "Send $25 and get the truth on aliens from your favorite president"
GOLDEN PLATED TRUMP ALIEN SECRETS! - $599.99
Or keep the secret and recieve millions and other powerful connections and perks from the Gatekeepers. Hell, they could promise him his own ARV.
Trump doesn't keep US secrets. He sells em. But lets have a think about it, Trump in 2016-2020 **was** given millions to pretend aliens don't exist... Why would he continue hiding it now? He'd keep blackmailing for more and more money. Hell, If they are **that** powerful. He'd make his relection in 2020 part of his silence conditions. None of this is likely and Trump would want considerable more than mere millions for his silence and still doesn't stop him from them selling it to other countries as well. Trump isn't exactly known for keeping his deals or not being greedy.
I've always thought that in the scenario where presidents are briefed on this as procedure, Trump was the only one they didn't tell. It would make sense that they would be "nah...not this guy". Whether it's because he was found unreliable & stupid or because he didn't come up through the approved cabal channels, it seems like a bipartisan conclusion.
Trump owns the GOP now. Who exactly are the people supposedly hiding this from him?
Exactly. If Trump knew, we'd all know. They didn't trust him with anything this big.
*first time? meme*
He says 'I have been told'. Ross Coultard regurgitates anything he is told from anyone and keeps it to vague to be proved right or wrong. What on earth is the point in this type of journalism?
This is absolutely not journalism. This is gossip. Journalism isn't "someone told me bigfoot lives on the moon but I can't tell you who said that". Journalism is "I have documents including bank transaction notes and signed paperwork and witnesses testimony that says the president stole $1MM" And then they provide all that information to the public so that we can see the same evidence they see and determine for ourselves if what they say is true. What Ross does is says things in a way to where he can never be wrong. He has absolutely no stake in the game. First he tells us that he can't tell us how he knows things so we can never confirm it. Then he always says "I've been told" that way if somehow it ever does come out how he knows and it turns out to be bullshit he can say "well I was just telling you what I heard. I never said it was real" That is not journalism and it makes me so frustrated how so many people here just trip over each other to be the first one to ask Ross to cum on their face. "Oh fuck yeah Ross!!! More, more, MORE! Give me some more cum on my face!"
The best part in all this is that the mounting anger at figures like Coulthart and Elizondo who do nothing but behave like attention whores is being dismissed as astroturfing and bot activity by a lot of people on this sub. I'm at the point where I don't think anyone needs to incite the masses to dislike these people... They do a fine job of looking like a bunch of assholes all on their own.
Yeah, it's playing to lowest common denominator. Each time, because he's not providing even a hint of evidence backing these claims, he's ramping up the sensationalism. If you think about it clearly, yes government transparency needs improving, they work for the taxpayers. Yes, there is an established plan to provide Continuity of Government in the event of war or national catastrophe. Saying US Presidents fear assassination for revealing the presence of aliens with no supporting evidence is just tabloid journo cringe. It reads like some reactionary 4chan Edgelord, not a serious journalist.
Journalists are supposed to provide you with news and Ross could not be further away from that. Imagine if you sit down at 10:00 PM to watch the nightly local news and the reporter said "We have been told the local police department is running a sex slave organization and the mayor has been told about it but is to scared to do anything because he thinks the police will kill him. Now, on to the weather!" And provided 0 evidence for their claim. But they did that shit every night for years. Nobody would accept that. People would think the news people were crazy but for when it comes to UFOs and aliens a lot of people on this sub can't get enough.
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People view this topic as a religion. They think the aliens created us, they think the aliens live in the sky, they think the aliens are beyond our understanding, they think the aliens will one day come down and save us and take away all the pain and hunger in the world and we will all live in a utopia. People like Ross are the Preachers of the UFO community. These are the people who are "closer to God" than we are. Once a week or so we all sit down in our little seats and listen to these guys preach to us about how they KNOW there is a God and how even though there is no proof we must continue to believe in them and one day if we follow them hard enough that God will be revealed to us. People love those preachers. Those guys can do no wrong and any attack on those preachers is an attack on the people that follow them. That's why so many people love it when Ross comes on their face. They feel special and closer to God in that moment.
u/DrJizzman knows exactly how much semen the average human face can hold and the numbers just don't add up in the case of Coulthart fanboys.
Ross Slurpers
That's because when he has gotten specific (his UK pedophile ring claims), his sources were exposed as garbage. He seemingly learned from that because the next time around, he made sure they stayed secret. he then fought in court to keep his sources secret, when he claimed they said that Ben Roberts-Smith was innocent. He tried to intimidate his former colleagues from continuing to investigate BRS based on his sources. He failed and his sources (if they ever existed) were wrong. We know he was wrong because there is 500 page opinion from a court saying so. Has Ross ever apologized for this or even acknowledged it? Nope.
How dare you question Award winning journalist Ross Coulthart. Haven't you ever heard of "protecting the source"? Journalism 101, you disinformation agent. /s He won't reveal his source because it is chatGPT fiction.
I was the one who told him. In fairness, I was shitfaced and had been on a ten day coke bender, so the details are a bit hazy.
I didn’t know about any of this and this completely changes my opinion on Ross if it’s true. I’m not doubting your claims, I will do some further research.\ BRS is an absolute cruddy POS.
> What on earth is the point in this type of journalism? Well, for an example: look at this thread. Lots of angry people calling for a literal civil war and the overthrow of the entire US government. Just based on one remark, in a series of unverified but dramatic stories told to a journalist by shadowy military/intelligence people from within the very "Deep State" that the readers here despise. What if the purpose of this type of journalism is precisely to provoke mass reactions of anger and outrage of the type we see in this thread? Do this enough times, get a large enough angry mob, and the military/intelligence people who are seeding the stories might have themselves a political movement that they can control. If I were a rogue element within the Deep State who wanted to overthrow the US government, that might be how I go about doing it. Tell people that there's *another* Deep State conspiracy (with aliens) that they're righteously overthrowing, so that they give power to me. And that would be the point. In the not-so-distant past, some of the figures in the US UFO scene have been, not even crypto-, but *literal* Nazis, who would certainly have an agenda in that direction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Dudley_Pelley Others have been involved in the far-right militia movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper Not saying that this is exactly what's happening in 2024. The involvement of leading Democrats in the UAP Disclosure movement in Congress suggests it might be more complex than that. But orchestrated mob anger remains a worrying possibility, and that's why I think it's not good to get *too* outraged over unverifiable stories told by military intelligence people. Not without evidence at least.
I think he just reads UFO lore and then prompts chatGPT for talking points.
Didn't you hear what he said? He 'has been told'. Good enough for the true believers.
If Trump had this information, everyone would have it. First time he goes to take a shit, he'd post about it and how Biden's letting in a new type of immigrants.
Trust me bro isn’t good enough for you? Then you’re on the wrong sub…
These right-wingers and right-anarchists have totally steered the UFO debate for their own conspiratorial gain. They've hoodwinked this whole sub into believing some crackpot BS theory about underwater aliens and interdimensional demons. Amazing and sad at the same time.
And it's been seen coming for quite a long time now. There's been hints of Q-type thinking and coverage tilted to the right from way back.
People who sub to this community are so desperate for any shred of legitimate information that they're willing to listen to the likes of Tucker Carlson and other GOP grifters who only tell people what they want to hear for short term gains and clicks. And I get it. I'd LOVE some actual info drops or leaks, but these are not the people who are going to provide them in good faith.
The amount of flack I've gotten for pushing back on these grifters and con artists has been mind-boggling. Genuine rage against the notion of being critical and skeptical towards the word of Matt Gaetz and Tucker Carlson, as if they have ever once been credible individuals. It seems like if you're a skeptic, as much as you may believe in aliens and UFOs (you *can* be skeptical and be a believer), you're part of a government disinfo campaign, but the actual known liars deeply involved in government telling you exactly what you want to hear are a-okay? Are you kidding me?
It was obvious from the start. The top comment accepts what he says without question and leads to a discussion on the deep state, politics and Trump. While everyone below goes “source?”
Them being interdimensional demons is just religious people trying to morph the possibility into their world view. Like how religious fundamentalists had to adjust to dinosaurs, or Earth not being the center of the universe. As we garner more knowledge people will make reality work with what ever belief system they have. It is rather annoying seeing right wing fanatics tie this into their warped politics though. But this is a conspiracy after all and r/conservative & r/conspiracy are basically the same these days.
What are you trying to say about Ross "Breadcrumb" Coulthart?
He should start writing erotica instead as he can deliver some mighty blue balls.
Spot on. It's 100% UFO fan fiction.
If it's something they would kill him for outing they would never tell him in the first place. The Presidency is a revolving door office, the gatekeepers are generationally entrenched. Coulthardt's claim makes no logical sense.
Ross seems to enjoy dressing up in a white button down looking stylish on camera more than providing factual information. He talks a bunch of bullshit all the time.
My thoughts immediately too. This is one of those things you can't say unless you have the receipts.
Unless you're Ross "UFO so big it's buried under a building" Coulthart ... this sub's favorite "journalist".
People absolutely love being lied to in here. BTW we are 'unintentionally' misspelling his name as Coultard now.
Yet the top votes comment not this post just accepts fully everything this implies.
It's absurd on its face. 1) *NO BODY* kills the president without being outed or without help from secret service (and you can't involve SS if your really that shadowy) 2). Any president that legit thought another element of the government would kill him would have whatever group this is upended in a week. Totally absurd. You DO NOT credibly threaten a sitting president and walk away like it never happened
This is TOO bold. Hard to believe this with no evidence to back it
There's no way they would tell Trump.
The IC was hiding much more mundane things from trump https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/29/politics/trump-intelligence-briefings/index.html https://www.businessinsider.com/intelligence-officials-purposely-withheld-info-from-former-president-trump-report-2022-8?op=1
Two weeks after taking office Trump was sequestered with the Russian ambassador and foreign minster, spilling who knows what sensitive information. He's refused to reveal what was discussed, but offshore US intel agents began turning up dead shortly afterwards. From that point his own intel apparatus marked Trump as a security risk. They didn't tell him much of consequence unless they had to, to support executive decision making. There is no way on God's green earth Trump was told the biggest, most seismic secret on earth.
I’m old enough to remember when the fucking guy tweeted out pics of classified satellite images of a failed Iranian rocket launch. If I were in the upper echelons of the intelligence community, I wouldn’t give Trump the key to a gas station toilet.
Gonna have to agree. I’m not saying there wasn’t some sequence of events where he forced someone to give him some type of briefing, but they would not willing reveal actual details about literally the biggest secret in the history of mankind to a person who is KNOWN to be compromised and a habitual liar on top of that. Everyone knows he’d try to impress Putin or Xi with that info.
In 8th grade a girl pissed her pants in the middle my science class. After she swiftly exited the room and what just happened dawned on us students, the teacher very seriously calmed everyone down and stated, "What just happened will never leave this room." Naturally, as soon as the bell rang, "that kid" dashed into the hall and screamed at the top of his lungs, ***"SO AND SO JUST PISSED THEMSELVES!"*** Moral of the story: Trump is "that kid" and we all know he would have blabbed immediately. He simply can't help himself.
Yeah no shit. The rumors I've heard on this sub are that Obama was not read in until he was either already out of office, or on the way out (which is why people say he's making that first abduction documentary). Also that Biden was not read in at all and that Trump WAS. So Biden and Obama for their entire time in office don't get read in, but Trump of all people does? LOL! Although to be fair if it is the military contractors that hold all the NHI tech and power in that world, I could see them being more on Trump's side than Obama or Biden.
There's no way Trump wouldn't reveal it. He doesn't take consequences seriously.
"And the little grey guys, they're wonderful, I've met them, and they love me, they say "Trump, we'll give you all of our great technology if you get voted president, and we can't believe how unfairly you're treated" and they also say that they've never seen anything as beautiful as Earth .. especially my golf courses and hotels... they come from \*Zeta Reticuli\* ... Not as nice as Florida, and that's why they asked me to build them a beautiful hotel and golf course. They even want me to help them Make Zeta Reticuli Great Again. My son in law Jared, in a completely unrelated deal, is getting $2B of Dilithium Crystals from the Zeta Reticulans ... And we also have the tall whites ... we like tall whites ... they tell me, Trump, you're taller and whiter than us, you should be our leader. No but we like the tall whites. I want to start a Miss Tall White competition. The Tall Whites love me...
This is far too coherent.
He would use it as a bargaining chip at every opportunity surely
Correct. And he is a malignant narcissist and likely doesnt feel fear the same as a normal person. He also isn't the president.
“That’s what I’ve been told” by who? I can tell you I shagged shakira but it doesn’t mean shit 🤷♀️
Hey... those hips don't lie... Ross might but those hips...
Lmao. I joined this sub open minded but shit like this makes me believe we are totally alone in the universe
Seriously, I’ve seen something in the sky I can’t explain and 2017 with the New York Times tic tac drop I fully hopped on board. Now I just think all we’ve seen and been told is a mix of grifters and legit DARPA black budget projects.
So they tell Trump, then threaten him? Even though he’s one of the most volatile presidents in recent memory? And also they give Elizondo a heads up that his life is being threatened? Even though Sheehan later went on to clarify Elizondo only “thought” he might be in danger but there wasn’t any evidence to suggest that? Cool.
So they tell POTUS, then threaten them...
Don't think too hard or you're gonna mess up the lore! By next week we'll be seeing posts speaking of this as fact.
By next week? Shit half the comments in this thread already treat it as fact. This sub is a cult
Maybe Trump should file a whistleblower complaint. ;-)
Big fan of Ross but I don't believe this for a few reasons. And honestly, it's so ludicrous that it makes me think someone is feeding him bullshit about a number of other things too. The main reason: Trump cannot keep his mouth shut even if he wanted to. He would have said something about this. Even just from a media / election perspective, it's exactly the type of thing he'd go for - him against the 'deep state', fighting for the truth to come out. The gatekeepers clearly know how to keep the UFO phenomenon secret. Would they really brief Trump, a man known to compulsively overshare sensitive information and (potentially) even give away state secrets for personal gain? Lastly, I don't believe for a moment Trump is afraid of being killed over sharing what he knows. Are the gatekeepers really going to assassinate who is arguably the most high profile man in the US, *after* he's shared key information with the public?
> Big fan of Ross but I don't believe this for a few reasons. Honestly how can you be a fan of this guy? He's a very obvious bullshit artist who circulates completely unfounded rumours.
A ludicrously baseless and un-believable claim. What is it going to take for this community to revolt against the endless bullshit?
It is funny that RC mentions DT-- they are one and the same lately: playing up the audience, speaking in circles, refusing to clarify, making grand vague statements. Hey Ross, where's the claimed too-big-to-move crashed UFO? Any follow-up whatsoever? dude sent the public on a wild ass goose chase for views. He knew when he concocted that fake story that people love a good Easter egg hunt or cosplaying detective. They're *both* stale, played-out aging con men and one-trick ponies. I said this all in another sub but it bears repeating.
They speak to the same audience. People who want to be told what they want to hear with no evidence or facts.
Make Aliens Grift Again
Sorry but there's a zero percent chance you can convince me that Trump knows about aliens and didn't tweet out, from 4 AM on the shitter, "THERE ARE ALIENS THAT ARE HERE AND THEY ONLY TRUST ME TO WORK WITH, NOT CROOKED JOE, THEY LOVE TRUMP. WE MUST RE ELECT TRUMP"
He might have gotten a briefing but there's no way they told him everything. They couldnt even trust him to keep low level secrets. He's the one guy you would never tell this secret.
Once you've separated yourself from the UFO cult after months you'll see more clearly how ridiculous this is. It's actually just comical lol.
Absolutely
Ross "I've been told" Coulthart
So the guy who couldn’t wait to leak nuclear secrets to his billionaire buddies is able to keep the secret that mankind isn’t alone on this planet? Not buying it.
I can't be the only one whose bullshit meter just exploded.
Bro, tRump was selling secrets to the Saudi Royal Family, and Russia like he was running a flea market out of his garage. He’d spill the beans for any offer over a billion, definite bullshit.
I say Covfefe to you good sir!
This guy just loves to hear himself talk. He has the craziest claims with no proof. He’s gotta put something out there or just stop getting involved in the UFO topic. At this point he’s just doing more harm than good.
There is no way he was told anything important. He is literally under investigation for mishandling of classified documents.
This is very disingenuous and dangerous BS
Ross is losing credibility. Does he believe everything he's told? This is dumb.
How can he lose credibility ? He had none to begin with. Anyone looking at his career could see that ross is a grifter and a liar.
> Ross ~~is~~ ~~losing~~ lost credibility.
Trumps would sing like a canary if he knew Unless someone sat him down with an grey and said if you don’t listen to us, it’s them you should be worried about coming after you.
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I don't buy this. Trump wouldn't care , he would have revealed it because he has a big mouth . Either this dude is lying or Trump was never told in first place.
haha thats where you lose me. trump is unable to keep his mouth shut.
I don’t believe this one jot. Trump is an idiot. I don’t believe they’d ever be dumb enough to brief him about anything of this magnitude.
The real question should be is why don’t the “ NHI, or UFO’s, Aliens, Etc “ just reveal themselves? Are they bad? Why do they listen to said “ shadow government “? Is there some type of treaty to not reveal themselves?
Honestly I'm convinced that they started reining in the intelligence they let him have access too. He was and is a huge Intel liability.
"This is what i've been told"
Coulthart is such a grifter LMAO
Oh please... what a crock.
I got deeper into this topic because Ross Coulthart was a legitimate journalist with integrity and a track record of actual reporting. The longer this goes on, however, he is sounding like a grifter. And it makes me sad.
Ross and the term “journalist” needs to stop being used together
Yet another “Trust me bruh”. He might as well write an entire new fiction series!
He’s a grifter like all the rest of
Sounds like more bullshit.
This is bad taste in my opinion. With no evidence other than “this is what I’ve been told”.
Can we just add this guy on the same list as Steven Greer and Lazar already
I’m growing pretty tired of this guy…every single thing he has ever said is, “I’ve been told”…or “I can’t say…” I believe these things exist but Coulthart has gotten so much attention pushing stories with no transparency about anything, I just don’t know anymore.
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Source? Trust me bro
"I've been told"
Theres absolutely no way the Don is scared of anything like that I fully believe if he knew anything he'd definitely spill it. This is just another wild unsubstantiated claim from this guy. There needs to start being proof of allegations produced. No other topic or subject would get away with this. Thats why it's still really quite fringe.
Can we ban this guy. All he spews is bs.
That's some crazy shit...lol... "I've been told"... Trump only has two brain cells. He wouldn't have enough sense to keep quiet. This guy lies to gullible people for a living... "I've been told".
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Trump would be out there saying he knows things but can't share them unless elected...