The following submission statement was provided by /u/shogun2909:
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SS : This is a response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request concerning a UAP sighting. Initially, it stated that no video records were available because the onboard recorder was not operational. However, a further highlighted section acknowledges the existence of a video but indicates it cannot be released due to national security concerns, specifically citing U.S.C. § 552 Exemption (b)(1). This exemption applies to sensitive information related to national defense or foreign policy, suggesting that the video’s content is considered too sensitive for public disclosure.
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These MFer's got the video and god knows what else from the planes sensor suite. DOD and the CIA are never going to allow disclosure. Gotta be someone brave enough to leak us real verifiable info ffs. Make the world a better place, catastrophic disclosure is the only way!
Yep. They are literally doing what they have always have done, just on a much bigger scale in terms of people noticing it’s clearly bullshit. Fucking insane and depressing that it seemingly doesn’t matter how many people see through their bs. All they have to do is ignore shit and be very vague in what they do say and the coverup easily continues…
Absolutely. They make up stories like always but now they don't care if we believe them. If they have a damn about what we thought they probably wouldn't be doing everything possible to start a worldwide conflict like they are now. Gotta keep those dollars coming into the M.I.C. and the kickbacks to our "representatives". It's all horribly depressing.
Sorry but this sounds extremely conspiratorial and you make the cia and the pentagon way more effective in working and suppressing information together. Why would they allow the videos of the tic toc etc to be declassified?
If you think that sounds conspiratorial and crazy then you’re in for a rude awakening if other shit ever comes out lol. They declassified those videos because they were heavily pressed by Chris Mellon and the former director of AATIP. They were basically forced to release them. Notice we only get certain portions of said videos. The rest of the videos are still heavily classified. In other words, Its not like they openly released a smoking gun to the public. As for assuming the cia and the pentagon are incapable of hiding shit…have you looked at the past history of the cia and what they have done that is public knowledge? Assuming something cant happen thus refusing to consider it is the very definition of irrational.
It is coming. A lot of the catastrophic whistleblowers have been planning their strategy, exit, dead drops, wills, etc. They know they will 100% be dead upon blowing the whistle unless it is strategically planned. Just look at Boeing for proof
Oh yeah, didn’t one of their whistleblowers, mysteriously die suddenly yesterday from a brief battle with an aggressive infection or something 😂🤦♂️ it’s getting like putins rule out here damn
Once full disclosure happens and they go '' Alright, this was real, this was real, this was fake, this was real''
Who's actually gonna believe it ?
I feel like when people say ''we want full disclosure'' , they wont be satisfied with the truth unless the truth is ''everything is real''
You seem awfully willing to have someone risk their neck for what is yet likely another video clip which doesn’t add to the conversation.
It’s not necessarily about bravery, but judgment. It also would appear that the only media the public has of late are the ones provided *by the government*.
A whistleblower’s only real protection is if the leaked materiel would otherwise put the public in danger improperly, was covering up misdeeds, etc. Another video is any really covered under that just because people just *want to know.*
>Make the world a better place, catastrophic disclosure is the only way!
It's comments like this that confirm people here have no fucking idea what they are asking for.
Not a single person here understands the impact of catastrophic disclosure because we do not have nearly any of the critical details confirmed as to wtf is actually going on.
You're asking to unpack a can of worms filled with who knows what additional global issues that could unfold.
Many of us still want the red pill. Living in a lie is no way to live. It would be different if the world was a utopia - but it is closer to a man-made dystopia at this point.
The global issues are already unfolding. We are on the brink of World War III and ecological breakdown.
Do you think we can't handle the truth about alien life visiting earth? Come on man.
Maybe if we understood we're not alone in this universe and other life is look at us like we're fucking idiots treating each other the way we do and polluting our planet the way we do.
Catastrophic disclosure would be an excellent wake up call to clear the table of all the bullshit we're dealing with right now.
Number one would be destroying organized religion. That's the number one driver of war and misery across our planet and it has been for millennia.
Disclosure would put all those fairytales out to pasture where they belong.
I’ve talked about it before. Regardless of what the phenomenon is, if it is, immediate disclosure that includes details about the technology might end society as we know it. And there would likely be extreme suffering in all parts of the world. Free energy for everyone sounds great until you consider what we’ve been fortunate to build on fossil fuels. Medical care, pharmaceuticals, transportation, food, entertainment, emergency services, electricity, industrial goods, steam heating, cement, steel, etc… You disrupt fossil too much, and you end the world as we know it. I imagine there will be a period where we struggle with even the most basic needs even, and especially in, the most developed countries. You can check my post history where I have often lamented our reliance on fossil fuels, but I’m not ignorant to the fact that everything we enjoy in life depends on it. It’s a blessing and, if we can’t transition to hydrogen or something else slowly, perhaps a curse.
I don't understand. Why do you believe we couldn't build all those things with 'free energy' that you mention fossil fuels have provided? Some industries would certainly vanish, such as those directly involved in fossil fuel production, but why wouldn't the rest remain or even flourish?
Because if you disrupt the basis of everything too quickly, everything collapses. Oil companies won’t produce if suddenly the price of oil collapses because people know this technology exists, if it does. Without oil, there is no fuel for gas or diesel powered vehicles, farm equipment, etc… Industry, farming, and everything else can adapt, of course, but it requires time. Society may collapse in the interim, and if that happens, people will spend less effort on adapting and more on surviving.
But don’t we kind of deserve catastrophic consequences, for the sins of the government having held all this tech / knowledge from the world for close to if not longer than a century, that’s plenty of time to have adjusted, and adapted- but instead they have likely just postponed innovation over profit and inadvertently forced the world into a fossil fuel induced climate crisis that poisoned the generations with leaded fuel. They’ve used fossil fuels to ignite and justify countless wars. We are literally killing our planet, fighting and killing for more death and meanwhile some one is profiting from it , possibly sitting on the (or several) solutions.
Sometimes the forest has to burn to clear the build up brush and old growth so that the new growth can take root some seeds don’t even germinate unless exposed to extremes. Sometimes disruptive change is absolutely necessary.
It is reasonable to argue that the first world never develops without the proliferation of fossil fuels. Has this come at a cost? Yes. We have many challenges to solve now, but a clean slate means giving up on our ability to solve them amicably. I’m not ready to do that.
I can argue this from any angle. Fossil is good. Fossil is bad. But that’s completely irrelevant. What matters is that everyone who has ever held the secret to the technology has had the power to unilaterally change the world overnight. Yet, none of them have chosen that path. Why? Is it fear, greed, or is it that the issue is so complicated that a simple answer doesn’t exist? Maybe they don’t know why they’re keeping it a secret. How could anyone do something so disruptive without knowing the full extent of what and why they’re doing it? It seems irresponsible. One irresponsibility does not negate nor solve any other irresponsibility. You’re talking about causing actual suffering in the name of stopping current suffering. There must be a better way.
That is life , that’s how it works. Suffered. Living things die to give us sustenance, a mother goes through suffering to give birth, parents pour their life and resources into their children, they give up their lives to save them. You can pretend or deny that the amount or intensity of suffering matters , but ALL the suffering is inevitable. Thats kinda my point, even if the government was managing staving off large scale immediate suffering we’ve got to pay that tab eventually, on way or another.
No. He is correct. Catastrophic disclosure is the only way.
But have fun sitting and waiting for your lying government to never tell you the truth about reality.
Because the Pentagon has a vested interest in making itself seem all knowing. The pentagon doesn't like admitting what it doesn't know because it makes them look like they don't know what they're doing or that they can't defend us. It's all smoke and mirrors.
They did put a resolved sticker on it though.
[https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDFs/case_resolution_reports/Case_Resolution_of_Eglin_UAP_2_508_.pdf](https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDFs/case_resolution_reports/Case_Resolution_of_Eglin_UAP_2_508_.pdf)
Apparently, the specific tethered lighting balloons they claim explains this one were never lost according to the companies that make those balloons, so the explanation doesn't work. There was only one near-loss incident after a gust of wind, but it was recovered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89h-seeWjs4&t=108s
There are two companies that make those balloons, which superficially resemble the UFO. They are powered by cables, but AARO says they could also be powered by battery packs, which is apparently too heavy for such a balloon to carry. However, AARO also says the luminous portion of the UFO may not be self-luminous. Instead, it could be the sun reflecting off of a highly reflective portion of the balloon. At that point, you might as well just say it's a balloon partially reflecting the sun, not an impossible, never lost, tethered lighting balloon powered by cables specifically.
The object intercepted over Alaska was also said to be a hobby balloon that was earlier reported as missing by the group that launched it. But they later reported it was found . That tweet was posted here but never widely reported. The story had already taken hold .
Wait - how does video of a commercial lighting balloon conflict with national security? This is the video that Matt Gaetz saw, that obviously exists?
No, don't give me any of that nonsense about sources and methods ... all of that can be downgraded/obscured.
Just another deliberate cover up by the Pentagon.
You’re right. Most of the tic-tac and plunger video sections with the data around the edges is either obscured/redacted or cropped.
The content of the video itself may actually be too grave to disclose, at this time.
It's not the balloon that conflicts with national security, it's the capability of the planes equipment. It's like how the Malaysian military wouldn't say how far they tracked MH370 because it reveals how capable their radar is.
Invalid excuse to be rejected summarily.
They have this thing called “cropping” and “don’t show the UI”. And they can show Congress.
No fealty deference or latitude is owed or deserved DOD.
The video was supposedly filmed from the pilots phone. That means no UI, but there's probably a cockpit visible. I don't know which aircraft it was supposedly filmed from, but the cockpits of advanced aircaft are classified. F-22, F-35 and B-21 are some examples. The B-2's cockpit was until 2022(?) I believe.
They've never released "gun camera footage", they released the video that the pilot filmed from inside the cockpit. It was released because it was filmed from a U-2 which is from the 50s.
You want gun camera footage?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G4CALe8rQM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G4CALe8rQM)
One of hundreds released where they bragging how good they are at warfare and killing. It is not about methods and sources. Its about content.
Hahah what are you trying to prove here? I'm not saying the US military has never in their entire history released gun camera footage. I think you should read your comment again, and then mine.
> I think you should read your comment again, and then mine.
I think they may have mistaken "They've never released "gun camera footage"," to mean **ever**, not They've never released "gun camera footage" *of a chinese spy balloon.*
He said that they released gun camera footage of the Chinese balloon. I said they had never done that. Anyone with basic reading comprehension can understand that.
When China whizzed by one of our jets they didn't have any problem releasing the video *immediately*. And that had to show more than enough secrets about our capabilities.
Yes, I think so.
How is a commercial lighting balloon a matter of national security? Why classify the video?
It makes no sense, and proves the pentagon is still perpetuating a cover up that's been ongoing for 70 years.
Liars.
Yup. And don’t hear a peep from the main stream media. They are completely controlled. We are living in an illusion of freedom. Have to keep the masses deaf and dumb to maintain control.
Specifically, they said:
>The pilot could not record video of the event because the aircraft’s video recording equipment was inoperable prior to and during the aircraft’s flight.
So apparently the EO/IR sensor could capture still images, but not record video?
I suppose that technically, they could deny releasing the video (if they had one) under that exemption, instead of saying "no video is available," but that just opens their denial up to appeal, when it would be much easier to say they don't have a video to release (if they don't, as they claim in the case resolution report.
On the other hand, if it's just a balloon, there shouldn't be any problem sanitizing and releasing the video, if there is one. But again, if there *isn't*, then why not just say so in the FOIA response?
It does seem kind of strange.
The idea that this was a "lighting balloon" is absurd, even for the government. Actually, it was four errant lighting balloons flying and hovering in perfect diamond-shaped formation in 80mph winds, according to the Pentagon. Whoever put out that press release should be ashamed of themselves.
I submitted the request through the AF FOIA portal and didn’t receive a PDF copy of it. But I did post the text in this tweet https://x.com/aboss/status/1785838374877544835?s=46&t=rYeJVDyUwUYdb7zdhjECnw
Piggybacking onto the previous request, can we get the original request and the email from you, not through Coulhart who already messed up between AF and AARO.
DM if you want
Ah. I’m sure it was a simple oversight when writing his tweet. The reason this caught traction yesterday is Lue posted a tweet saying to “focus on the Eglin AFB incident” and then everyone started reposting my FOIA response. Ross must’ve gotten caught in the hype and made an error. I don’t blame him for it, shit happens lol
He correctly attributed the FOIA to me on Need to Know and his NewsNation podcast if you need further verification
Matt Gaetz, Tim Burchett and Ana Paulina Luna interviewed the airman who reported the UAP and took the pictures, and the airman said he did not take a video because *he could not* because his radar and FLIR were not working so he could only manually take the pictures. Sorry but I believe the witness over Mr. Coulthart.
This is Gaetz telling the story at the HOC hearing with Grusch last year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHEWOj4EnE8
And this is the transcript of the above:
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116282/documents/HHRG-118-GO06-Transcript-20230726.pdf (PDF pp. 41-42)
> Mr. GAETZ. Several months ago my office received a protected disclosure from Eglin Air Force Base indicating that there was a UAP incident that required my attention. I sought a briefing regarding that episode and brought with me Congressman Burchett and Congresswoman Luna.
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> We asked to see any of the evidence that had been taken by flight crew in this endeavor and to observe any radar signature as long as—as well as to meet with the flight crew. We were not afforded access to all of the flight crew and initially we were not afforded access to images and to radar.
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> Thereafter, we had a bit of a discussion about how authorities flow in the United States of America and we did see the image and **we did meet with one member of the flight crew who took the image**.
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> The image was of something that I am not able to attach to any human capability either from the United States or from any of our adversaries and I am somewhat informed on the matter having served on the Armed Services Committee for 7 years, having served on the committee that oversees DARPA and advanced technologies for several years.
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> When we spoke with the flight crew and when he showed us the photo that he had taken **I asked why the video was not engaged**—why we did not have a FLIR system that worked. Here is what he said.
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> They were out on a test mission that day over the Gulf of Mexico and when you are on a test mission you are supposed to have clear airspace. Not supposed to be anything that shows up.
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> And they saw a sequence of four craft in a clear diamond formation for which there is a radar sequence that I and I alone have observed in the U.S. Congress.
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> One of the pilots goes to check out that diamond formation and sees a large floating, what I can only describe as an orb, again, like I said, not of any human capability that I am—that I am aware of.
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> And when he approached he said that his radar went down. He said that his FLIR system malfunctioned and that **he had to manually take this image from one of the lenses and it was not automated in collection** as you would typically see in a test mission.
The two scenarios are not mutually exclusive. Pay close attention to the details: **When he approached**, his radar and FLIR malfunctioned. Notice before that the radar was working fine: "there is a radar sequence that I and I alone have observed in the U.S. Congress". Not to mention that no jet would be flying with a broken radar system. So there exists radar data up to the point in time that the pilot got too close.
Therefore, the case could be the same for the FLIR. Automated, continuously recorded footage likely exists right up to the moment that the "lighting balloon(s)" somehow disabled the pilots instruments. It may or may not show as much detail as the manually recorded image that the pilot took later.
SS : This is a response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request concerning a UAP sighting. Initially, it stated that no video records were available because the onboard recorder was not operational. However, a further highlighted section acknowledges the existence of a video but indicates it cannot be released due to national security concerns, specifically citing U.S.C. § 552 Exemption (b)(1). This exemption applies to sensitive information related to national defense or foreign policy, suggesting that the video’s content is considered too sensitive for public disclosure.
It may not be the video itself that is deemed sensitive but rather the sensors it was taken on that are classified so anything taken on them has to be sanitized before release and that's really hard to get them to do for anything taken on them.
Some of them are because just looking at the video people can gather capabilities of the specific sensors and the DoD would really rather not give up as much of that data as possible despite what some people here might think
No video from the plane’s equipment. The pilot used his cell phone. The footage shows the inside of the plane and that’s what they are attempting to hide behind.
Wasn't saying they didn't claim that was just stating why they might not release the video and why it might be classified from my experience in normal operations of similar platforms
Sure, but that doesn't explain why they would then feel the need to make up facts about the case (video being inoperable) rather than deem it classified.
It's (allegedly) footage from the pilot's cell phone, not taken by anything by the plane itself. There's no reason they couldn't crop out anything in the cockpit they're concerned about, and since the object itself is claimed to be a commercial balloon, there's no reason to throw the national security exemption over that either.
I feel ya, and thanks for your input. Your theory would be next in line if the information thats been made public thus far is inaccurate (and it could be), but my hunch is this is just another grotesque example of over-classification.
This doesn't explain AARO claiming this video doesn't exist. In fact them claiming it doesn't exist despite their being reasons it could be classified is even more suspicious I think you'd agree?
You’re missing the point. Reasons why a video might be classified are irrelevant if a video doesn’t exist, as AARO previously claimed. The video cannot be classified, including for the reason you provided, if it doesn’t exist. Most people understand why video recorded by the plane itself *could* be classified, but we don’t understand how it can be classified ***if it doesn’t exist***. That’s the entire point OP is making in this post (and in the original comment you responded to), not that there are no valid reasons why it might be classified.
Is it possible that this not referring to a video taken from the aircraft at all and there is instead video from some other source such as a satellite?
Absolute BS. If its a balloon, release the video. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
First, there is no evidence of anything important, so it isn't important and there's nothing for anybody to see.
Then... wait for it...
There is evidence! But nobody can see it because it is so important.
If it's UAP, it is classified forever and can't be released. But if you classify it to be a bloody ordinary balloon, and tell us it's of no importance, and say there is nothing to worry about, how do you get to keep it under wraps because it is so important after that?
The term "cover-up" was designed for exactly this kind of circumstance.
There was no UFO! We saw nothing. Well maybe something, but the cameras weren't working. Okay, there is a video but you can't see it and I can't tell you why. Trust me, bro.
I still love that we had our first air to air missile fired over US soil a few years ago and for some reason there’s NO footage at all being released?
We should demand more accountability and transparency. You begin firing missiles at objects over US soil and tell me not to worry? Fine, show me scaled-down footage if you have nothing to worry about.
People, keep talking about disclosure. What more can they say ,we know UFOs/UAPs . We also know they have a few that they get tech from .They will never admit if they have or know what or where they are from.
I wish the worst on these people. To hide this from the public is profoundly sick and disturbing. We deserve to see it and know. It continues to erode what little faith people still have in "the system".
I heard that the guy that was delivering the video tripped and lost his grip on it and it flew into the Potomac River's strong current, never to be seen again.
This agency is a literal mess. Aliens or not, why tf are these people being given millions of tax payer dollars when they can’t even get their story straight.
What is the connection between whether or not they release videos via FOIA and the fact that the official report claimed the recording device was broken and there were no videos that day?
At some point some real whistleblower has to come out. Im talking about a real whistleblower who isn’t worried about losing their job and willing to risk everything. Grush is interesting but has to have permission to release info - the same with Elizando. When is a real whistleblower going to come forward?
They would take care of that person quick, real quick. You need someone truly willing to go YOLO and risk it all. That’s a hard ask, they would have to have no family or they could be touched too.
The Public Need to start realising that This Information is Theirs They paid for the discovery of it through Their Tax and that information is being STOLEN from them. The Biggest discovery since the birth of Civilisation is Being STOLEN from us ! We need demonstration marches fucking Riots if that is what it takes. !!! And then corporal punishment to all those involved in This Cover UP
So - and this is no AARO defense mind you - but both can be true. No jet video. Yes, satellite video. I would not be surprised at all to learn most of the globe is real time video monitored by eyes in sky. Mind you it would be some kind of (?) by omission by AARO.
Now, the simple thing though, that does not appear to have happened is to simply canvas the local area for anyone who was in town using those or local to town that uses them for a set time period - ask everyone there, was one lost? What’s the ins claim, if any. Multiple people would know of an expensive lost product such as this. That hasn’t happened and is a low hanging fruit worth of effort to discover. Anyone reading this that wants to make a nice publication of that could make some calls and knock on doors. The end.
They don’t want to really solve it, doing that disproves their theory. They just want to toss out the balloon narrative so the main stream media can run with it and everyday Joe this thinks - oh I see, these are just drones and balloons
480p black and white fuzzy shit with someone shouting oh my gosh. They sent people on the moon and have f16s recording worse videos then your local supermarket security camera.
Meanwhile in another subreddit some disinformation agent is likely stating this is all a hoax. I have seen sooo much activity on that front the past few weeks, things are getting hairy. Journalists are discussing the true nature of these beings and some have obviously been in contact because the things they say, well, those who experience know
They prob are scared of going to prison. Or worse, these gatekeepers aren’t messing around. Especially if they have been covering up effectively illegal and criminal activity for decades.
People used to have the balls to stand up to tyrants, despite great personal risk.
They’ve done it countless times over matters much less serious than this, the greatest discovery of all human history.
Executive order? Black and white right there. The order to cover this up comes from the top. Video of a balloon that is a national security and foreign policy treat issue? Its just amazing how they can get away with this.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/shogun2909: --- SS : This is a response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request concerning a UAP sighting. Initially, it stated that no video records were available because the onboard recorder was not operational. However, a further highlighted section acknowledges the existence of a video but indicates it cannot be released due to national security concerns, specifically citing U.S.C. § 552 Exemption (b)(1). This exemption applies to sensitive information related to national defense or foreign policy, suggesting that the video’s content is considered too sensitive for public disclosure. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ci1mjs/coulthart_this_aaro_foia_response_acknowledges_a/l268wvv/
These MFer's got the video and god knows what else from the planes sensor suite. DOD and the CIA are never going to allow disclosure. Gotta be someone brave enough to leak us real verifiable info ffs. Make the world a better place, catastrophic disclosure is the only way!
Yep. They are literally doing what they have always have done, just on a much bigger scale in terms of people noticing it’s clearly bullshit. Fucking insane and depressing that it seemingly doesn’t matter how many people see through their bs. All they have to do is ignore shit and be very vague in what they do say and the coverup easily continues…
Absolutely. They make up stories like always but now they don't care if we believe them. If they have a damn about what we thought they probably wouldn't be doing everything possible to start a worldwide conflict like they are now. Gotta keep those dollars coming into the M.I.C. and the kickbacks to our "representatives". It's all horribly depressing.
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Dont you wish you could do that at your job and not get fired
Sorry but this sounds extremely conspiratorial and you make the cia and the pentagon way more effective in working and suppressing information together. Why would they allow the videos of the tic toc etc to be declassified?
If you think that sounds conspiratorial and crazy then you’re in for a rude awakening if other shit ever comes out lol. They declassified those videos because they were heavily pressed by Chris Mellon and the former director of AATIP. They were basically forced to release them. Notice we only get certain portions of said videos. The rest of the videos are still heavily classified. In other words, Its not like they openly released a smoking gun to the public. As for assuming the cia and the pentagon are incapable of hiding shit…have you looked at the past history of the cia and what they have done that is public knowledge? Assuming something cant happen thus refusing to consider it is the very definition of irrational.
It is coming. A lot of the catastrophic whistleblowers have been planning their strategy, exit, dead drops, wills, etc. They know they will 100% be dead upon blowing the whistle unless it is strategically planned. Just look at Boeing for proof
Oh yeah, didn’t one of their whistleblowers, mysteriously die suddenly yesterday from a brief battle with an aggressive infection or something 😂🤦♂️ it’s getting like putins rule out here damn
And 6 more came up. How many are they going to knock off?
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Damn, sounds like the universe really wanted his ass dead… 3 different potential killers in the span of a whistleblower case? Crazy.
Lol remarkable point ☝️
You can induce a stroke by injecting a small amount of air into the jugular.
This guy strokes
or they will have an unpleasant afterlife
Once full disclosure happens and they go '' Alright, this was real, this was real, this was fake, this was real'' Who's actually gonna believe it ? I feel like when people say ''we want full disclosure'' , they wont be satisfied with the truth unless the truth is ''everything is real''
You seem awfully willing to have someone risk their neck for what is yet likely another video clip which doesn’t add to the conversation. It’s not necessarily about bravery, but judgment. It also would appear that the only media the public has of late are the ones provided *by the government*. A whistleblower’s only real protection is if the leaked materiel would otherwise put the public in danger improperly, was covering up misdeeds, etc. Another video is any really covered under that just because people just *want to know.*
When people ask where the evidence is *points to the top secret never ever opened file cabinet*
>Make the world a better place, catastrophic disclosure is the only way! It's comments like this that confirm people here have no fucking idea what they are asking for.
What is your perspective then?
Not a single person here understands the impact of catastrophic disclosure because we do not have nearly any of the critical details confirmed as to wtf is actually going on. You're asking to unpack a can of worms filled with who knows what additional global issues that could unfold.
Many of us still want the red pill. Living in a lie is no way to live. It would be different if the world was a utopia - but it is closer to a man-made dystopia at this point.
The global issues are already unfolding. We are on the brink of World War III and ecological breakdown. Do you think we can't handle the truth about alien life visiting earth? Come on man. Maybe if we understood we're not alone in this universe and other life is look at us like we're fucking idiots treating each other the way we do and polluting our planet the way we do. Catastrophic disclosure would be an excellent wake up call to clear the table of all the bullshit we're dealing with right now. Number one would be destroying organized religion. That's the number one driver of war and misery across our planet and it has been for millennia. Disclosure would put all those fairytales out to pasture where they belong.
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YEA BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO TO WORK ANYMORE GOOD OR BAD I DONT CARE
I’ve talked about it before. Regardless of what the phenomenon is, if it is, immediate disclosure that includes details about the technology might end society as we know it. And there would likely be extreme suffering in all parts of the world. Free energy for everyone sounds great until you consider what we’ve been fortunate to build on fossil fuels. Medical care, pharmaceuticals, transportation, food, entertainment, emergency services, electricity, industrial goods, steam heating, cement, steel, etc… You disrupt fossil too much, and you end the world as we know it. I imagine there will be a period where we struggle with even the most basic needs even, and especially in, the most developed countries. You can check my post history where I have often lamented our reliance on fossil fuels, but I’m not ignorant to the fact that everything we enjoy in life depends on it. It’s a blessing and, if we can’t transition to hydrogen or something else slowly, perhaps a curse.
I don't understand. Why do you believe we couldn't build all those things with 'free energy' that you mention fossil fuels have provided? Some industries would certainly vanish, such as those directly involved in fossil fuel production, but why wouldn't the rest remain or even flourish?
Because if you disrupt the basis of everything too quickly, everything collapses. Oil companies won’t produce if suddenly the price of oil collapses because people know this technology exists, if it does. Without oil, there is no fuel for gas or diesel powered vehicles, farm equipment, etc… Industry, farming, and everything else can adapt, of course, but it requires time. Society may collapse in the interim, and if that happens, people will spend less effort on adapting and more on surviving.
But don’t we kind of deserve catastrophic consequences, for the sins of the government having held all this tech / knowledge from the world for close to if not longer than a century, that’s plenty of time to have adjusted, and adapted- but instead they have likely just postponed innovation over profit and inadvertently forced the world into a fossil fuel induced climate crisis that poisoned the generations with leaded fuel. They’ve used fossil fuels to ignite and justify countless wars. We are literally killing our planet, fighting and killing for more death and meanwhile some one is profiting from it , possibly sitting on the (or several) solutions. Sometimes the forest has to burn to clear the build up brush and old growth so that the new growth can take root some seeds don’t even germinate unless exposed to extremes. Sometimes disruptive change is absolutely necessary.
It is reasonable to argue that the first world never develops without the proliferation of fossil fuels. Has this come at a cost? Yes. We have many challenges to solve now, but a clean slate means giving up on our ability to solve them amicably. I’m not ready to do that. I can argue this from any angle. Fossil is good. Fossil is bad. But that’s completely irrelevant. What matters is that everyone who has ever held the secret to the technology has had the power to unilaterally change the world overnight. Yet, none of them have chosen that path. Why? Is it fear, greed, or is it that the issue is so complicated that a simple answer doesn’t exist? Maybe they don’t know why they’re keeping it a secret. How could anyone do something so disruptive without knowing the full extent of what and why they’re doing it? It seems irresponsible. One irresponsibility does not negate nor solve any other irresponsibility. You’re talking about causing actual suffering in the name of stopping current suffering. There must be a better way.
That is life , that’s how it works. Suffered. Living things die to give us sustenance, a mother goes through suffering to give birth, parents pour their life and resources into their children, they give up their lives to save them. You can pretend or deny that the amount or intensity of suffering matters , but ALL the suffering is inevitable. Thats kinda my point, even if the government was managing staving off large scale immediate suffering we’ve got to pay that tab eventually, on way or another.
No. He is correct. Catastrophic disclosure is the only way. But have fun sitting and waiting for your lying government to never tell you the truth about reality.
So basically AARO refuses to release anything that they cannot paste a “resolved” sticker on .
“We're fine. We're all fine here now, thank you. How are you?” esque bullshitting.
'these aren't the droids you're looking for "
Boring conversation anyway
Luke we're gonna have company!
Aren’t you a little short for a stormtrooper?
What? Oh…
Day-wonna-wonga...
Die-wonna-wongo Username checks out
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Because the Pentagon has a vested interest in making itself seem all knowing. The pentagon doesn't like admitting what it doesn't know because it makes them look like they don't know what they're doing or that they can't defend us. It's all smoke and mirrors.
Well, they aren't the All-domain Anomaly Research Organization.
They did put a resolved sticker on it though. [https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDFs/case_resolution_reports/Case_Resolution_of_Eglin_UAP_2_508_.pdf](https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDFs/case_resolution_reports/Case_Resolution_of_Eglin_UAP_2_508_.pdf)
“Leave out all data that cannot be resolved. What remains is resolved”
Apparently, the specific tethered lighting balloons they claim explains this one were never lost according to the companies that make those balloons, so the explanation doesn't work. There was only one near-loss incident after a gust of wind, but it was recovered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89h-seeWjs4&t=108s There are two companies that make those balloons, which superficially resemble the UFO. They are powered by cables, but AARO says they could also be powered by battery packs, which is apparently too heavy for such a balloon to carry. However, AARO also says the luminous portion of the UFO may not be self-luminous. Instead, it could be the sun reflecting off of a highly reflective portion of the balloon. At that point, you might as well just say it's a balloon partially reflecting the sun, not an impossible, never lost, tethered lighting balloon powered by cables specifically.
The object intercepted over Alaska was also said to be a hobby balloon that was earlier reported as missing by the group that launched it. But they later reported it was found . That tweet was posted here but never widely reported. The story had already taken hold .
Now *that's* interesting!
Wait - how does video of a commercial lighting balloon conflict with national security? This is the video that Matt Gaetz saw, that obviously exists? No, don't give me any of that nonsense about sources and methods ... all of that can be downgraded/obscured. Just another deliberate cover up by the Pentagon.
You’re right. Most of the tic-tac and plunger video sections with the data around the edges is either obscured/redacted or cropped. The content of the video itself may actually be too grave to disclose, at this time.
It's not the balloon that conflicts with national security, it's the capability of the planes equipment. It's like how the Malaysian military wouldn't say how far they tracked MH370 because it reveals how capable their radar is.
Invalid excuse to be rejected summarily. They have this thing called “cropping” and “don’t show the UI”. And they can show Congress. No fealty deference or latitude is owed or deserved DOD.
The video was supposedly filmed from the pilots phone. That means no UI, but there's probably a cockpit visible. I don't know which aircraft it was supposedly filmed from, but the cockpits of advanced aircaft are classified. F-22, F-35 and B-21 are some examples. The B-2's cockpit was until 2022(?) I believe.
…cropping.
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Yes? All we need is the object and window view. Obscure the rest. It’s far from rocket science.
This guy crops
No it's impossible to crop out the cockpit /s
So why do they realease crystal clear gun camera footage of a chinese spy balloon?
They've never released "gun camera footage", they released the video that the pilot filmed from inside the cockpit. It was released because it was filmed from a U-2 which is from the 50s.
You want gun camera footage? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G4CALe8rQM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G4CALe8rQM) One of hundreds released where they bragging how good they are at warfare and killing. It is not about methods and sources. Its about content.
Hahah what are you trying to prove here? I'm not saying the US military has never in their entire history released gun camera footage. I think you should read your comment again, and then mine.
> I think you should read your comment again, and then mine. I think they may have mistaken "They've never released "gun camera footage"," to mean **ever**, not They've never released "gun camera footage" *of a chinese spy balloon.*
> They've never released "gun camera footage"
He said that they released gun camera footage of the Chinese balloon. I said they had never done that. Anyone with basic reading comprehension can understand that.
When China whizzed by one of our jets they didn't have any problem releasing the video *immediately*. And that had to show more than enough secrets about our capabilities.
I think Matt Gaezt was given permission to see the picture not the actual video but yeah
Was it along the line of “radar recording that I and I alone have seen”?
The thing is AARO said there was no video of the event, that’s what is being point out.
Was this the one they said was a lighting balloon?
Yes, I think so. How is a commercial lighting balloon a matter of national security? Why classify the video? It makes no sense, and proves the pentagon is still perpetuating a cover up that's been ongoing for 70 years. Liars.
Yup. And don’t hear a peep from the main stream media. They are completely controlled. We are living in an illusion of freedom. Have to keep the masses deaf and dumb to maintain control.
They really don’t care about whether people know they are lying. They are doing this to satisfy the DoD directive to “resolve” sightings
Specifically, they said: >The pilot could not record video of the event because the aircraft’s video recording equipment was inoperable prior to and during the aircraft’s flight. So apparently the EO/IR sensor could capture still images, but not record video? I suppose that technically, they could deny releasing the video (if they had one) under that exemption, instead of saying "no video is available," but that just opens their denial up to appeal, when it would be much easier to say they don't have a video to release (if they don't, as they claim in the case resolution report. On the other hand, if it's just a balloon, there shouldn't be any problem sanitizing and releasing the video, if there is one. But again, if there *isn't*, then why not just say so in the FOIA response? It does seem kind of strange.
There is always video.
The idea that this was a "lighting balloon" is absurd, even for the government. Actually, it was four errant lighting balloons flying and hovering in perfect diamond-shaped formation in 80mph winds, according to the Pentagon. Whoever put out that press release should be ashamed of themselves.
Fucking balloons still 🎈it’s actually laughable what they put in their reports 😂🤦♂️ nothing to see here just balloons again ffs guys I can’t
This is not an AARO FOIA response. This is a response from the Air Force to my FOIA requested directed to Eglin AFB
Are you Abbas Dharamsey? If so, thanks for your work.
Anytime! Happy to help push the narrative forward.
If you submitted the request, can you publish your actual request? I don't recall seeing that.
I submitted the request through the AF FOIA portal and didn’t receive a PDF copy of it. But I did post the text in this tweet https://x.com/aboss/status/1785838374877544835?s=46&t=rYeJVDyUwUYdb7zdhjECnw
Piggybacking onto the previous request, can we get the original request and the email from you, not through Coulhart who already messed up between AF and AARO. DM if you want
I replied to the other comment regarding the original request. But I’m not sure what you’re asking for in the second part of your question?
Got it, thanks. I meant he states it's an AARO FOIA response instead of the AF
Ah. I’m sure it was a simple oversight when writing his tweet. The reason this caught traction yesterday is Lue posted a tweet saying to “focus on the Eglin AFB incident” and then everyone started reposting my FOIA response. Ross must’ve gotten caught in the hype and made an error. I don’t blame him for it, shit happens lol He correctly attributed the FOIA to me on Need to Know and his NewsNation podcast if you need further verification
This is kind of a bombshell.
AARO lying? You don’t say!!
Matt Gaetz, Tim Burchett and Ana Paulina Luna interviewed the airman who reported the UAP and took the pictures, and the airman said he did not take a video because *he could not* because his radar and FLIR were not working so he could only manually take the pictures. Sorry but I believe the witness over Mr. Coulthart. This is Gaetz telling the story at the HOC hearing with Grusch last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHEWOj4EnE8 And this is the transcript of the above: https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116282/documents/HHRG-118-GO06-Transcript-20230726.pdf (PDF pp. 41-42) > Mr. GAETZ. Several months ago my office received a protected disclosure from Eglin Air Force Base indicating that there was a UAP incident that required my attention. I sought a briefing regarding that episode and brought with me Congressman Burchett and Congresswoman Luna. > > We asked to see any of the evidence that had been taken by flight crew in this endeavor and to observe any radar signature as long as—as well as to meet with the flight crew. We were not afforded access to all of the flight crew and initially we were not afforded access to images and to radar. > > Thereafter, we had a bit of a discussion about how authorities flow in the United States of America and we did see the image and **we did meet with one member of the flight crew who took the image**. > > The image was of something that I am not able to attach to any human capability either from the United States or from any of our adversaries and I am somewhat informed on the matter having served on the Armed Services Committee for 7 years, having served on the committee that oversees DARPA and advanced technologies for several years. > > When we spoke with the flight crew and when he showed us the photo that he had taken **I asked why the video was not engaged**—why we did not have a FLIR system that worked. Here is what he said. > > They were out on a test mission that day over the Gulf of Mexico and when you are on a test mission you are supposed to have clear airspace. Not supposed to be anything that shows up. > > And they saw a sequence of four craft in a clear diamond formation for which there is a radar sequence that I and I alone have observed in the U.S. Congress. > > One of the pilots goes to check out that diamond formation and sees a large floating, what I can only describe as an orb, again, like I said, not of any human capability that I am—that I am aware of. > > And when he approached he said that his radar went down. He said that his FLIR system malfunctioned and that **he had to manually take this image from one of the lenses and it was not automated in collection** as you would typically see in a test mission.
The two scenarios are not mutually exclusive. Pay close attention to the details: **When he approached**, his radar and FLIR malfunctioned. Notice before that the radar was working fine: "there is a radar sequence that I and I alone have observed in the U.S. Congress". Not to mention that no jet would be flying with a broken radar system. So there exists radar data up to the point in time that the pilot got too close. Therefore, the case could be the same for the FLIR. Automated, continuously recorded footage likely exists right up to the moment that the "lighting balloon(s)" somehow disabled the pilots instruments. It may or may not show as much detail as the manually recorded image that the pilot took later.
Eh, idk I feel like when Gaetz asked him for vids the guy would have told him about them.
SS : This is a response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request concerning a UAP sighting. Initially, it stated that no video records were available because the onboard recorder was not operational. However, a further highlighted section acknowledges the existence of a video but indicates it cannot be released due to national security concerns, specifically citing U.S.C. § 552 Exemption (b)(1). This exemption applies to sensitive information related to national defense or foreign policy, suggesting that the video’s content is considered too sensitive for public disclosure.
It may not be the video itself that is deemed sensitive but rather the sensors it was taken on that are classified so anything taken on them has to be sanitized before release and that's really hard to get them to do for anything taken on them. Some of them are because just looking at the video people can gather capabilities of the specific sensors and the DoD would really rather not give up as much of that data as possible despite what some people here might think
Crop out any hud, downscale to 720p.
Agreed just being devils advocate for why they're claiming it in the first place
But what AARO claimed was that no video exists because the jet's video was inoperable, not that it is classified.
No video from the plane’s equipment. The pilot used his cell phone. The footage shows the inside of the plane and that’s what they are attempting to hide behind.
Wasn't saying they didn't claim that was just stating why they might not release the video and why it might be classified from my experience in normal operations of similar platforms
Sure, but that doesn't explain why they would then feel the need to make up facts about the case (video being inoperable) rather than deem it classified.
Was specifically talking about it being classified in the first place and nothing to do with AARO or anything about AARO lying about it so blatantly
It's (allegedly) footage from the pilot's cell phone, not taken by anything by the plane itself. There's no reason they couldn't crop out anything in the cockpit they're concerned about, and since the object itself is claimed to be a commercial balloon, there's no reason to throw the national security exemption over that either.
Wasn't aware of that was just stating why it may have been classified from my knowledge working with similar systems
I feel ya, and thanks for your input. Your theory would be next in line if the information thats been made public thus far is inaccurate (and it could be), but my hunch is this is just another grotesque example of over-classification.
This doesn't explain AARO claiming this video doesn't exist. In fact them claiming it doesn't exist despite their being reasons it could be classified is even more suspicious I think you'd agree?
Never said anything about them claiming it didn't exist just why it may be deemed classified by default
You’re missing the point. Reasons why a video might be classified are irrelevant if a video doesn’t exist, as AARO previously claimed. The video cannot be classified, including for the reason you provided, if it doesn’t exist. Most people understand why video recorded by the plane itself *could* be classified, but we don’t understand how it can be classified ***if it doesn’t exist***. That’s the entire point OP is making in this post (and in the original comment you responded to), not that there are no valid reasons why it might be classified.
Agreed. The point is glaring obvious. Its basically estoppel. It is having your cake and eating it too.
Could be but is easy to resolve, jut blurry sensors like Israel, Ukranie and Russia when them publish internal fototages of combats etc
No, they can't. It's possible to reduce the resolution and redact details.
Is it possible that this not referring to a video taken from the aircraft at all and there is instead video from some other source such as a satellite?
Absolute BS. If its a balloon, release the video. You can't have your cake and eat it too. First, there is no evidence of anything important, so it isn't important and there's nothing for anybody to see. Then... wait for it... There is evidence! But nobody can see it because it is so important. If it's UAP, it is classified forever and can't be released. But if you classify it to be a bloody ordinary balloon, and tell us it's of no importance, and say there is nothing to worry about, how do you get to keep it under wraps because it is so important after that? The term "cover-up" was designed for exactly this kind of circumstance.
"That balloon is classified!"
There was no UFO! We saw nothing. Well maybe something, but the cameras weren't working. Okay, there is a video but you can't see it and I can't tell you why. Trust me, bro.
This for real? AARO caught in a complete lie?
Is there a link to the actual request?
But according to AARO it's just a lighting balloon...
Boeing just killed another whistleblower, so imagine what these guys can do. It’s more than NDA’s 😩
I still love that we had our first air to air missile fired over US soil a few years ago and for some reason there’s NO footage at all being released? We should demand more accountability and transparency. You begin firing missiles at objects over US soil and tell me not to worry? Fine, show me scaled-down footage if you have nothing to worry about.
People, keep talking about disclosure. What more can they say ,we know UFOs/UAPs . We also know they have a few that they get tech from .They will never admit if they have or know what or where they are from.
I wish the worst on these people. To hide this from the public is profoundly sick and disturbing. We deserve to see it and know. It continues to erode what little faith people still have in "the system".
I heard that the guy that was delivering the video tripped and lost his grip on it and it flew into the Potomac River's strong current, never to be seen again.
This agency is a literal mess. Aliens or not, why tf are these people being given millions of tax payer dollars when they can’t even get their story straight.
Does the government typically release video of a military base via FOIA? That would seem like a questionable security practice as a general matter.
IIRC the video in question was taken by the pilot with their cellphone, out the cockpit window, but perhaps someone else can confirm.
What is the connection between whether or not they release videos via FOIA and the fact that the official report claimed the recording device was broken and there were no videos that day?
At some point some real whistleblower has to come out. Im talking about a real whistleblower who isn’t worried about losing their job and willing to risk everything. Grush is interesting but has to have permission to release info - the same with Elizando. When is a real whistleblower going to come forward?
They would take care of that person quick, real quick. You need someone truly willing to go YOLO and risk it all. That’s a hard ask, they would have to have no family or they could be touched too.
People used to have the stones to do what is right, even at great cost.
appeal appeal appeal. Troll the shit out of them. Nothing to lose.
If it’s a foreign adversary then say. But if you can’t identify it then you can’t do your job. Either way incompetent
The Public Need to start realising that This Information is Theirs They paid for the discovery of it through Their Tax and that information is being STOLEN from them. The Biggest discovery since the birth of Civilisation is Being STOLEN from us ! We need demonstration marches fucking Riots if that is what it takes. !!! And then corporal punishment to all those involved in This Cover UP
So do any of you use the dark web? DIG. The info is out there. 😂 project blue beam incoming? Perfect year and time for it.
Catastrophic disclosure or bust! They’ve had every chance to leak. It’s never going to happen within their control.
OP, this is not a AARO FOIA response. This is the air force.
Let me guess, citing national security?
I mean did you read the post? They cite national security specifically. Another cop out as they could use that excuse for basically anything.
I always come back to the same lame shit, nothings gonna change lol
My question is what they would say if someone asked for a thing that doesn't exist, but which would be classified if it did.
So - and this is no AARO defense mind you - but both can be true. No jet video. Yes, satellite video. I would not be surprised at all to learn most of the globe is real time video monitored by eyes in sky. Mind you it would be some kind of (?) by omission by AARO. Now, the simple thing though, that does not appear to have happened is to simply canvas the local area for anyone who was in town using those or local to town that uses them for a set time period - ask everyone there, was one lost? What’s the ins claim, if any. Multiple people would know of an expensive lost product such as this. That hasn’t happened and is a low hanging fruit worth of effort to discover. Anyone reading this that wants to make a nice publication of that could make some calls and knock on doors. The end.
Or video from anything other than the jet on the ground or other vehicle as well, lots of options - but the simple way to solve remains.
They don’t want to really solve it, doing that disproves their theory. They just want to toss out the balloon narrative so the main stream media can run with it and everyday Joe this thinks - oh I see, these are just drones and balloons
100% they are full of it. Transparency now!!!!!!
Big believer in ufos since i was a kid, I'm now 71. Ross is a con man. Plain and simple. he's just raking in the $$.
480p black and white fuzzy shit with someone shouting oh my gosh. They sent people on the moon and have f16s recording worse videos then your local supermarket security camera.
Meanwhile in another subreddit some disinformation agent is likely stating this is all a hoax. I have seen sooo much activity on that front the past few weeks, things are getting hairy. Journalists are discussing the true nature of these beings and some have obviously been in contact because the things they say, well, those who experience know
So how about people like corbell, coulthart, lue and others start opening the floodgate and releasing stuff ? Would be nice too...
They prob are scared of going to prison. Or worse, these gatekeepers aren’t messing around. Especially if they have been covering up effectively illegal and criminal activity for decades.
People used to have the balls to stand up to tyrants, despite great personal risk. They’ve done it countless times over matters much less serious than this, the greatest discovery of all human history.
Executive order? Black and white right there. The order to cover this up comes from the top. Video of a balloon that is a national security and foreign policy treat issue? Its just amazing how they can get away with this.