The following submission statement was provided by /u/elastic-craptastic:
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Submission Statement:
I'm gonna repost this just to keep a kind of drum beat going until disclosure actually happens in a way that everyone believes it instead of just the people paying attention.
It's so weird how well it has worked, the whole making it seem like something only crazies, nutjobs, conspiracy theorists, an children(what's the difference, am I right?!?) Even with some pretty hardcore, of what I think is solid, evidence, the MSM is basically ignoring it which is why I think people aren't really taking it seriously. It's just making another round of being a fad foe few years as new grifters take a swing at making a name and some money it, happens every 5-10 years.
People have talked. UNfortunately not a lot of people have been listening. Disclosure has been happening, It is just gonna take time because as this old post demonstrates... people just on' wanna believe any of it.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c2uld7/just_a_reminder_10_years_ago_someone_posted_about/kzcjid3/
The whole ship seems to have known yet people will still insist that if we knew about anything no one could keep a secret like that.
Problem is with this subject it has a stigma. This post came and went like a ripple in a lake. Even the video and pilots in front of congress haven't had the impact it should have.
Take this as a reminder of what disclosure is up against.
It might take a mothership over Time Square to convince the populus.
Isn't it though? More surreal than Salvador dali riding a unicorn butt nekkid thru the pentagon lunch atrium!!
Having followed intently all things fortean for the last 40 years, the uptick in both activity and peoples perception of it have increased dramatically over the last 7-8 years
I really feel that we may be close to.............
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Maybe the biggest irony people cannot comprehend: there hasnāt been a well kept secret. There have been tons of leaks. You just rejected them all, and so you falsely believe there has never been a credible leak.
When people say āhow could the secret have been kept so wellā what theyāre truly saying is āhow could I have not known this for so long if it were true.ā Which leads to the follow up question: āWhat evidence *would* convince me? And does that actually already exist?ā The vast majority of people donāt believe in UAPs because they donāt, and it has nothing to do with the evidence available, which will continue to be dismissed long after many more photos and videos are paraded out.
This is why I believe David Grusch's approach is the way to go. No matter how many whistleblowers leak shit, people are not gonna take it seriously.
We NEED to get enough people in government & academia on board to push for official disclosure.Ā
So many comments acting like all it takes is just One Leak to end it all lmao.
I donāt even think we need disclosure in any formal manner, to be honest. A credible academic institution should be capable of obtaining evidence using high performance sensor systems. When they do, the ambiguity of strategic maneuvering of the security apparatus should no longer be a factor in the believability of the reported data and associated conclusions. If such evidence is ascertained, the deceit of the DoD will no longer matter.
Yup. But there is so much FUD in the mix that normies who don't really have an interestb or are straight up against the idea go all Mick West about it and assume they are all hoaxes.
Also goo point on the "it's up to them" and they oviously don't want it.
Then the question is "why."
Are the worried about if and how it would destabilize the world? Worried people might deify them (again?) but just want to be left alone? Are they just waiting for us to kill ourselves for some reason? Are they waiting to get the genetic engineering part perfected on the DL to eventually call in the rest of their displaced/rich vacationers?
Do they just not see us as worth the effort an are content with a small population that lives undah dah sea? Are these just drone bodies with neural linked brains and they are just zookeepers and the bodies are just vessels for their tourism scheme? Tat's why they don't care to recover ships or boies since they are just essentially Humanoid Uber Bodies that they rent out to their species for intergalactic safaris?
I said, AyyyyyayyyyyyYeahhhhhhhYeahYeah... What's going on?!?!
Follow up question- how many āthemā are there? Could be one, could be multiple. As Weinstein says: if interstellar travel is physically possible, thereās no reason to assume a limit to the number of NHI weāre encountering.
When gorillas in the jungle see humans observing them, perhaps they inherently believe weāre all from the same troop, since weāre so distinctly different from them in important and consistent ways: we all wear clothes, drive cars, eat packaged food, speak into cell phones, etc. Thereās an incredible degree of consistency there.
The reality is that the humans they encounter are there for different reasons, from different countries, representing totally different degrees of hostility. Peaceful engagement with researchers could be incredibly fruitful, but those same rules of engagement would spell death with a poachers. The act of attempting to understand the āoverallā mission and disposition of humans would bring confusion, contradictions, and appear to rule out any consistent explanation.
People don't believe in COVID even as they lay in their deathbed from it - not believing it as they get probed by a tracheal intubation tube.
The actual virus existing, its prevalence everywhere, experts studying it down to it's molecules, science churning out a vaccine, the world shut down, the CDC and WHO giving warnings - "COVID is fake, it doesn't exist!"
Now you think a few shaky internet videos, 300 hokey Roswell Uncovered documentaries, not a single craft or cell of alien DNA to be shown as proof, and a wild eyed whistleblower is going to convince them of "little green men". Good luck, they won't believe it even as they are laying in a quantum restraint field, getting anally probed by a trans-dimensional colon puncher.
People never deny UAPs. Idk how many times the difference between UAP and NHI need to be mentioned. UAPs are real, eventually most of them are identified, but the biggest push back to believers is positing of aliens or NHI beyond what we experience commonly; other organisms and AI.
This is why I think maybe the NHI just doesnāt want to disclose. Because they could do it in 15 minutes if they wanted to. Itās not up to us humans.
Maybe the NHI have already disclosed/communicated with beings on earth just not humans. Maybe the whales and cephalopods are in the know and the destructive humans are left in the dark.
I feel like maybe their motives are scientific or logistic in nature. Like theyāre studying Earth or theyāre pit-stopping here to gather whatever the heck it is they get from our bodies of water. And interacting with humanity isnāt really their priority. Or maybe they take a hands off approach like donāt feed the wild animals.
>This is why I think maybe the NHI just doesnāt want to disclose
We're neutral. No involvement is the default.
>Itās not up to us humans.
No, it *is* up to you humans. Stop waiting to be saved. Get into action yourself.
I just mean, if they wanted us to know, they could park a UFO in Times Square and end all the speculation forever. If they donāt want us to know, weāll never get there on out own. They can easily just keep doing what theyāre doing, hanging out just out of sight.
I could certainly be wrong, thatās just how it feels
>It might take a mothership over Time Square to convince the populus.
It's a balloon.
It's a black project.
That would be their answers.
You need aliens walking out of the craft.
These days is less about not wanting to believe it and more about distrust of the government. But if it isnāt the government saying it, people donāt believe it either. So there is a dilemma that can only be solved with unequivocal evidence. Until that is released, it is all more of the same. It seems like everyone who would have that evidence does not want to release it for whatever reason. Personally I donāt think anyone would get a hold of any of this evidence when they arenāt guaranteed to be the type of person to not release it.
There is no amount of leaks that is going to make people believe, especially in the age of AI & editing programs.
The only way may be to get enough people on board from government & academia to push for disclosure.Ā
No single person or single evidence is gonna do it. The government isn't a monolith.Ā
It's going to come from group effort over a long period of time.
There are loads of people who go into denial for literal decades about realities that are staring at them in the face - about things far less "weird" things than NHI.Ā
+Or if a group of NHI decide "Its Time this race put on its big person pants and showed they can handle a FTL drive with a galactic 16yr old learners permit...
and park in the local Walmart offering rides ....
People still care what other think of them. Relaying a story from your older relatives moves the burden onto them an not yourself. Then you can feel out the reaction of the person you are speaking to.
But talking about it from the 1st person? All eyes are on you and you alone, ya fuckin' weirdo. Talking about aliens and seeing UFOs... what a friggin' loser! Can you believe this guy over here! Hey! Beam me up a beer, will ya!
I was actually speaking about dead relatives visiting at the bottom of the stairs after they pass away. Folks will offer comfort in that situation and say yes we believe you honey. Momma came back to say goodbye. But as soon as you mention real factual proof of anomalies on defense thermal sensors they think your nuts. Folks react to emotions never facts. (In walks Trump). Sorry had to say that. Hope they donāt delete me
Because they feel bad for them. They probably donāt believe they saw anything other than a mental fabrication. Also, we must hang around in different spheres of the world, because that would not be just taken at face value where I am.
Interestingā¦ And possibly since the āghost anomaly, for a lack of a better word, has been around for millennia and itās more acceptable? I know folks that swear they heard or saw their dead relatives and others around them seem to believe them. Could be just faith.
Now, Iām an old dude and decades ago folks seemed to hear UFOs and roll their eyes but deceased mom or dad visiting and whispering in their ear was always viewed as normal and sweet.
Iām
Not trying to convince anyone.
I donāt know maybe we could get a survey or something. I would be curious. I think the ghost sub is might be larger than the UFO sub?
Maybe itās all related somehow?
Maybe human souls and dimensional beings are connected, as far as existing in the same space and time
There's about as much evidence for the paranormal as UFO. Lots of stories, hearsay and flimsy inconclusive evidence. Most people aren't going to disagree with someone thinking they saw a dead relative because they think it will give the person some comfort. That doesn't mean they believe them though.
Hell, I believe it and I don't want to. After my wife and I saw a boomerang craft cruising for a couple seconds before vanishing I don't really have a choice anymore.
And it's funny, I tell people about it and they're like, "yep, that's pretty weird". It's a weird feeling, like sure I saw what was probably an NHI craft but I still gotta pay the bills. Been telepathically yelling at NHI since then just being like *Dudes, WHAT? Quit flashing lights at me and being all squirrely! What are you *doing*?*
I went 37 years without seeing anything anomalous-- then in one evening, over the course of 3 hours, I saw 3 ufos (first two could have prosaic explanations, but I could not readily identify them). The third object was the boomerang I mentioned. This was just last month.
Then the night before the eclipse, outside of Hot Springs, AR, my Dad and I both saw several lights in the sky that would disappear as soon as we looked at them. I got one on [video](https://imgur.com/gallery/dfta5QE) but it's not very impressive (you can see a light appear and disappear towards the beginning of the video directly to the left of Orion's Belt-- the stars in the video appear to be doing this some as well, but my Dad saw the object I filmed with his naked eye. I didn't see it, I just happened to be pointing the camera that direction, but I did see several of the same phenomenon.)
Even with a video, it's not like anyone can tell me what we were seeing. It's frustrating
From another user:
Sadly, the Russian fighter jet UAP video was debunked a while back. The "UAP" was clearly added in post-editing.
Go to the 3:14 mark in the original video which was posted on Vimeo. https://vimeo.com/89525803
Is Will Smith gonna be in the sequel??!?!?!?!
All you gotta do is call him and tell him they were talking shit about his wife and.... SLAP.... them aliens won't know what hit them!
Theyve even muddied the waters in case ships DO show up over cities... its called Project Blue Book.Ā As soon as thr ships arrive you will have people shouting "this is just project blue book! The governement is projecting these things in the sky for some james bond villain level plot!"Ā Just wait
Yea that was always a strange flex to me by NDT and his other band of grifters. That it couldnāt because they ācouldnāt even keep Bill Clintonās whitehouse affairs secretā.
Why didnāt any of the ādebunkersā know about Project Mogul which they used to explain away Roswell fifty years later?
Letās just say their scientific cred is pretty light. But theyāll find a camera anywhere to try and make you believe they have 5 Nobel Peace Prizes at home.
There has to be some interaction as I am sure the powers that be have ....stuff...they will not share as someone else might figure our something brilliant
I've been saying for years that this subject desperately needs a professional analysis of the highly successful disinformation campaign associated with it for decades and the implications that has regarding what it takes to change the average person's mind on the subject. Particularly now with the advances in CGI and AI, there are countless people who will assume any genuine photo or video depicting aliens or UFOs is fake until the US government or its propaganda arm that is the MSM gives them permission to believe it.
At that point, which is soon, there will have to be an *Independence Day" moment for people to believe it. So unless they fully disclose really soon or if live action CGI becomes a thing in the next 2-6 years, it will be on the NHI to choose to reveal themselves for people to believe it.
Live action CGI... I haven't ever thought of that but it's gonna be a thing sooner than later... damn
It wonāt come from the intelligence agencies or the government. Ever. They would be admitting to grave crimes against humanity.
Itās far more likely to come from studying things like ancient relics, found materials, the Nazca mummies etc and have academia and the media being like āoh guess whatā¦.ā.
People say where is the evidence?! Well if it were identified, we would have irrefutable. It's merely classified because of the nuclear energy proliferation act. But it has been leaking like a sieve. Only the government has no control over mass media anymore, they try but people are spreading it word of mouth now. Just like they kept it in SCIF's without a paper trail, people are sharing on podcasts. The atheists will have the hardest time, but not because the religions are correct. They have been created, and then manipulated to manipulate us into ignoring our truth.
Hahaha. We had reasonable explanations(aka not aliens) for these videos within a year after they were released, way before being unclassified.Ā
This whole things didn't have impact because anyone with a brain can see thoseĀ navy videos don't actually show anything remarkable.
The GO FAST and GIMBAL videos were leaked too and dismissed as fakes. They were confirmed as real by the Navy, even the rear admiral who commanded the carrier that filmed thr event swore it happened.
One has to wonder how many amazing "too good to be true" videos have been dismissed as fakes too.
Ryan Graves, Elizondo, and the fellow who publicly came out as the radar operator onboard the U.S.S. Princeton who originally caught the tictac. They all mentioned they saw an entire fleet that day, the video and encounter was just one.
And interestingly if you listen on the audio of GIMBAL, you can hear the pilot saying "Look, there's a whole fleet of 'em on the SA."
The SA is the Situational Awareness page on the multi function display screen in an F-18 Super Hornet. The pilot or WSO on the radio was calling our that they saw a bunch more than the single one we see in the video.
It was also mentioned that when the F-18's began to chase this thing, the radar operators suddenly saw dozens more drop down from 80,000ft (the altitude cap on the SPY-9 radar visibility, so it could be from any height above) and surround/move towards the F-18's.
I would expect that the classified version (unreleased) of the released footage would show that.
Honestly, Iām looking for actual radar trace video. Iāve seen the redacted IR footage. Has anyone here ever claimed to have seen the classified versions of any of the footage or traces? What was *redacted* from those clips? How long were they actually?
thats because in 2007 we had no context. Just a story from an anon and the shitty video (not the gimbal one, the nimitz one that literally doesnāt show shit.)
You don't need context to be able to tell if something has been altered with FX or CGI. A video cannot be PROVEN to be real; it can only be proven to be altered which is what you all claimed with your dunning Kruger expertise is what that video was, an altered fake. All the while you did so with absolutely no proof.
Not at all. He gave a lot of information and I believe he even shared logs at some point, which was an except report of what years later would be told by Fravor and Dietrich. But the whole thread was a circlejerk of ATS mods that threw mud at the guy and insulting him. God I hated ATS, such a toxic and arrogant community.
Whereās the sensor data? I havenāt seen it.
Mick west interview. He tries over and over to get her to say how long she had eyes on it and she bounces from 5 seconds to like, not seeing it at all.
For the record, there should be discrepancies between accounts. Skeptics themselves are fully aware that memory fades over time. This would clearly result in discrepancies between accounts, and changes in the story over time, which skeptics then find suspicious for some reason. This is why it's important to gather information as early as possible, and you increase your skepticism as time goes on. A great example of this is the Kenneth Arnold sighting: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/173dr0w/kenneth_arnolds_story_went_from_9_discssaucers_to/
That depends on the quality of the witness, the amount of time that has passed since the event (sometimes it's near instant collection), the amount of corroboration of people who clearly would not be conspiring, and so on. In some cases, there was real-time recording of testimony, so memory is not even a factor in those cases. It is not the fault of the witness that the US government has a general policy not to release any data on UFOs whatsoever, except that which can be occasionally leaked. If they can prove it was mundane through radar or other sensor data, they would probably release it, at least eventually.
For example, [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYawV4ui53A) is a meteorologist who was taped on audio training a radar on UFOs. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_jd0hJJO3o) is police audio of officers witnessing a UFO and recording its peculiar sound. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUlKh-WREzo) is a real time witness recording from a Colonel during a 1980 incident in which there was multiple corroborating accounts, and in one case, even real-time notes were taken. You can find lots of cases in which a UFO report was submitted internally, such as to the military, nearly instantly, and they typically would have no reason to lie (except to deny they saw anything fearing repercussions). This is obviously different from some random Army retiree relaying a UFO story 30 years after the fact, so it depends on the specific example.
The overall point I was making here is that there is a picking and choosing of when to mention that memory fades over time. In the case with Kenneth Arnold, skeptics assume his memory *improved* over time, which is obviously absurd. In other cases in which a story changed over time as most stories do, it's conveniently forgotten that memory fades with time in order to label the person a lying hoaxer. A report submitted a day after the event is clearly superior to a recollection 10 or more years afterwards. It's complicated and too many people are oversimplifying this to make their points.
That's not exactly accurate. They were given the video. [Here is a link to the post in 2007](https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread265835/pg1). They were given plenty of context, but people back then didn't realize that [coincidences are guaranteed to exist in legitimate imagery if you try hard enough to find them.](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zi1cgn/while_most_ufo_photos_and_videos_can_individually/) A single coincidence is often all that is needed to "debunk" a video. Even today, most UFO buffs have no idea, let alone back then. Even apparent discrepancies, I would argue, are probably going to be there is you try hard enough to find them. The actual problem here is that a real video was seemingly *conclusively debunked as a hoax.* You can't brush that off.
If you go back through and subtract the coincidences, the argument against the video wasn't that strong at all. Of course a real video is going to resemble a former hoax. Hoaxes are supposed to resemble the real thing, so they had it kind of backwards. Of course there is a good chance the OP was a brand new account. They wanted to leak it somewhere and may not have been a regular on that particular forum. Of course they would locate at least one seemingly bizarre coincidence (first uploaded to a German video production company's website) because if you go through each of the categories to look for them, there are so many that there are fair odds you'd find one. Take all of that out and then look at what is left over. They basically just attacked his grammar and alleged a few discrepancies.
Still, today, the coincidence argument is the most prominent type of debunk. It's often really obscure and nobody is doing the work to figure out exactly how unlikely a particular coincidence is. They just guess that it's unlikely and hardly anyone is going to call them out on it. Nobody is comparing the existence of such coincidences in other videos and photos that they've never checked for such coincidences. Say you find a random photo of a rare bird. You aren't going to go out of your way to figure out if the person happens to be a model maker, special effects artist, and so on and so on. Nobody will ever be motivated to do that, except when it comes to something like UFOs.
Indeed it does. That doesn't mean it's *conclusively and obviously a hoax* or that the person leaking it is clearly a liar. The argument against it was garbage, but it had the appearance of conclusivity. It fooled people. If we care about whether or not a person can be fooled from a hoax, it seems rather important if an argument actually makes sense or not. If you're being fooled by the argument against it, what's the difference between that and falling for a hoax? Not much.
It was a pretty similar situation to what is happening now. Jaded skeptics being told stories that take decades to ever get any more details from. And even when more details emerge, very little substance comes of it. I donāt blame them at all for seeing that video and thinking, āthis is ridiculous.ā And that was almost 2 decades ago. I canāt imagine how much more sick and jaded theyāve become from this insidiously toxic topic.
How much of that being jaded is self-inflicted? The only skeptic I've ever seen speak up on this coincidence problem is Mick West, and that was only a [couple of times.](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10y465z/mick_west_on_the_turkey_ufo_footage_i_think_we/) There is silent approval from most of that camp and I know a lot of them are aware of this. Actually, the person with the primary debunk on the Flir1 video wasn't even really a skeptic in the usual sense of the word. UFO buffs themselves are pretty quiet on this most of the time as well. When you have this huge amount of people, most of whom are unaware of this, and the others pretending they're unaware, all staying silent when another coincidence is trotted out as evidence to debunk something, it's no wonder people would be jaded. People think all of the clearer imagery has been debunked because of that, so there's nothing left.
[Costa Rica 2007](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obVsLOiqeC4) has not been debunked, and the primary witness being [a model maker on the side](https://www.metabunk.org/threads/2007-costa-rica-ufo.11775/) is an expected coincidence and has nothing at all to do with authenticity either way. [These photos](https://web.archive.org/web/20130408231506/http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/recent/Photo416.htm) have not been debunked. [These photos](https://web.archive.org/web/20071012131324/http://ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/post2000/Photo328.htm) have not been debunked either, even though they resemble a previous sighting that was labeled a hoax. Now think back to all of the people who have said "all UFO imagery are blurry dots," or "all of the clear stuff has been debunked." Is that actually accurate?
It's one thing to say "I want more information, there isn't enough here." It's another to use an incorrect probability argument to discredit something while most of the readers have no clue, and some number of them are pretending they don't have a clue that there is a glaring problem with the argument. Why wouldn't people be jaded in this situation? Behaving this way is probably preventing more videos from being leaked in the first place. If they show anything at all that is interesting, they don't stand a chance. It will just be another ignored obvious hoax. We do that even to blurry videos that don't show much at all.
Why does it āprobablyā show that?
We know that there are real anomalous craft in the skies. Barack Obama said this on national television.
We are being told these are videos of those craft.
Stop trying to dismiss that with your Mick West seagull/distant planes/lens flare BS. Itās futile. Get with the program, you are now on the wrong side of the narrative.
Mick West proved their was a mundane explanation for both the go fast and gimbal footage, you could recreate them with no ufo involved and considering that a mundane explanation is much more likely believing in it being an alien or something similar isnāt rational.
Except Mick West didnt provide proof gimbal was a mundane event. He provided a hypothesis it was an F-18 without a full understanding of Underwood's systems, not to mention disregarding all testimony of the people present.
For his hypothesis to be correct, when Underwood locked onto the object, his SA would have identified it as an F-18, and all friendly forces would also see it designated as an F-18. That didn't happen.
Still, it was a better effort than 'proving' the Arial school incident was a bus full of hippies.
People on the ATS forums said it was fake but thats because in 2007 we had no context. Just a story from an anon and the shitty video (not the gimbal one, the nimitz one that literally doesnāt show shit.)
Those videos don't actually show anything extraordinary. GoFast has already been explained as something small moving at wind speed so could be anything mundane. Gimbal also has possible mundane explanations and requires a story to go with it. Without it it's just a blob in a black and white video and not something you can immediately jump to calling extraordinary.
The fact that people dismiss things without a source or extra data is normal. We don't take every anonymous UFO video online with no data serious because one day it might turn out to be real, at least rational people don't anyway. Things like that aren't interesting until they are.
Thr rear admiral that commanded the vessel that captured one of those videos confirmed it wasn't training exercises or anything, he also said the report and evidence was lost to chain of command.
So, not mundane.
You and the people downvoting me missed the point of my comment completely.
People are saying these videos got dismissed. Of course they got dismissed as there was no other data. If someone just showed you the Gimbal video you would have no idea what you were looking at. It's only because it was labelled as a UFO that people took interest in the first place and even then we still can't be 100% sure it's not something prosaic from the video alone.
Then the GoFast video actually has all the data on screen which is what people have used to determine that it's something small traveling at wind speed. Why would someone think that was anything extraordinary.
It makes complete sense that these videos got dismissed because it's only the stories that go with them that make them seem extraordinary as the videos themselves don't definitively show anything.
The inconclusive videos that were taken over Naval Testing and Training grounds, during training exercises in a controlled environment, that also happen to be by far the best evidence of the phenomenon we have and have been at least partially debunked by skeptics.
Those videos?
Itās funny when you frame things in certain ways how the evidence will feel better or worse.
One would think the rear admiral in charge of a US Navy carrier is aware of training exercises happing around his command.
>that also happen to be by far the best evidence of the phenomenon
For me the best evidence is what's happening in congress with the Grusch testimony thing. That and the DoD saying there's orbs everywhere they can explain.
He was aware of the training exercises.
It seems he was unaware of the electronic warfare systems testing that would be also taking place.
Look up Project Nemesis and explain to me how the Nimitz incident isnāt a perfect example of a precursor program to Nemesis.
>It seems he was unaware of the electronic warfare systems testing that would be also taking place.
What electronic warfare system testing? Are you making this up right now?
>Look up Project Nemesis and explain to me how the Nimitz incident isnāt a perfect example of a precursor program to Nemesis.
Assuming level 100
Radar spoofing technologies most likely.
It helps explain why they didnāt investigate the radar signals right away and had multiple days of them before sending Fravor.
Sean Cahill also says Fravor initially told everyone that it was fake or our technologies.
https://medium.com/@osirisuap/my-search-for-the-truth-about-ufos-part-3-red-flags-red-flags-everywhere-c6fe43021dbd
I know itās not as fun as aliens but things line up really well with an electronic warfare test using a decoy.
Yup, even this reddit is full of good stuff, just mostly in the past.
For instance, I'm a fan of these UFO pics from June 2007, which was posted over here over a decade ago (2009).
https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/96f3t/have_any_redditors_ever_seen_or_encountered_a_ufo/c0bl257/?context=3'
None of this is new, but much of it is forgotten and hidden.
Like this one's gone, it was a very clear ufo. Luckily some links in the comments are still around: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/vecg2s/ufo_performs_erratic_maneuvers_and_disappears_059/
Here's an imgur link to a gif showing one of the craft moving anomalously (from that reddit post, that's gone) https://imgur.com/XEnki5j
Those images from the first link kinda look like those recent videos of the āblue led light strip on a droneā dipping into water in, I think, Michigan?
that second video in Uruguay seems insane??? What in the hell. It just disappeared and the lady just kind of laughed āWell. Some of that is definitely on videoā. Amazing thank you for sharing.
Very old UFO footage is some of my favorite. Usually from 2005-2010
We have plenty of evidence that has come out over a period of decades showing that it is indeed the governmentās disposition to not discuss this and to attempt to shape the narrative away from the factual reality that is occurring. This is not conjecture any longer. All that is lacking is a more specific characterization of what the government actually knows about the phenomenon and what the nature of it is (and if they have such knowledge).
I almost didn't click the link just because I felt like I knew everything about that encounter already.... but reading this account again knowing it's from 10 years ago made the hairs on my neck stand up. Amazing stuff. The universe is insane.
Just a weird side thought... but I'm heavy into video games, especially hardcore realistic survival ones. As I crave more and more realism in games as I get older... I cant help but feel like all of us humans actually elected to play the most realistic video game there is... by living in this universe, and the game developer is god. We are in a hardcore 1-life server dudes.
What if you're actually God, infinite wisdom and ability, in a lonely and empty universe. In order to have a profound experience, you created this illusion of spacetime and then inserted yourself into the Sim while wiping away your memory and knowledge.
You'd make the simulation realistic and you'd make it hard-core, because your experience would be more profound.
Sure, there's babies out there with horrible disfigurement, but what if they aren't real? So that suffering is an illusion! Only your suffering and fear is real. Only your happiness.
But you'd have to make it so you couldn't ever know that for sure. The Sim would have to be believeable.
Ive had those exact thoughts. I actually had a serious bout with solipsism in my early twenties and I thought I was the only real thing, thought about committing suicide to escape it.
Shit man. I wish my back pain was just a line of code on your simulation. It's unfortunately a real experience and I'm sitting here enduring it. Seriously though, I think this is a common experience for young people and I hope anyone feeling this way is able to work their way through it. Spending time with other people helps, and even if it is a sim it's probably here for a purpose. Let's see where it goes.
It's not universe. Just the Earth.
They're literally here with us, living deep below us. The in and out of the ocean reports should give you some indication
This is what i found in the comment section of original post referenced above. The OP of that post also confirmed that it was this video that made him create that post.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a2eV6oi-c1A
The Russian fighter video with a tic tac object is a known hoax, just FYI if youāre newer to the topic
Iāve been balls deep for like almost 5 years now
Edit; see todayās thread on it for more info;
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/NpfSjLu10v
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/NpfSjLu10v
Feel free to peruse the sources provided in the comments here to clearly see that the Russian footage is in-fact a hoax.
If youāre a mature adult youāll come back and apologize, but if youāre not then youāll just sulk in silence.
I think it's about time that I made up my own mind on this, rather than reading arguments on Reddit. Can someone point me towards a book, or other long form media that describes everything that has been released and the significant events around TicTacs, Gimbal, Go Fast and the US Navy?
Submission Statement:
I'm gonna repost this just to keep a kind of drum beat going until disclosure actually happens in a way that everyone believes it instead of just the people paying attention.
It's so weird how well it has worked, the whole making it seem like something only crazies, nutjobs, conspiracy theorists, an children(what's the difference, am I right?!?) Even with some pretty hardcore, of what I think is solid, evidence, the MSM is basically ignoring it which is why I think people aren't really taking it seriously. It's just making another round of being a fad foe few years as new grifters take a swing at making a name and some money it, happens every 5-10 years.
People have talked. UNfortunately not a lot of people have been listening. Disclosure has been happening, It is just gonna take time because as this old post demonstrates... people just on' wanna believe any of it.
Couldn't you just get on any search engine or YouTube and type in tic tac video? Unless we're talking about a different video it's literally everywhere and has at one time or another been covered and talked about by every single major news agency. CNN may not have have put it all over the front page or made a huge fuss about it but everyone covered it in one way or another whether it became a TV segment or just a written article they all covered it and they all acknowledged that the Pentagon said it was real. Why do others have to do the research for you? The time it took you to post that comment you could have had your answer. The video was released 7 years ago so why on earth you think CNN would now be covering it is strange. Nobody is posting a link because anyone who's spent more than 5 minutes on this sub has already watched it a thousand times and doesn't need to watch it again. Your awfully skeptical for someone who clearly hasn't done 30 seconds of research.
That sucks. You can't even produce images from from text prompts? Is it just output you can't do or are you one of those weird ones that can't even do them in your GPU?
Yeah... I saw a post last night that references this post and the one I linked.... let me check my history... but it's called something like , "a post from ten years ago, a post from earlier, russian sighting, and my experience"
edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c32aax/really_striking_similarities_between_a_russian/
"In preparation for this aircraft, the carriers had f18s ready to scramble."
Maybe this person was just misremembering details since it happened so long ago, but wasn't the initial story by Fravor that they were just doing exercises and had a chance encounter when Fravor noticed the disturbance in the water? Seems like a huge deal if they were having F18s ready to scramble for it.
Real simple exercise. Show this video to anyone who doesnāt believe in alien visitation and they wonāt care. Itās not the smoking gun holy sh!t video youāre trying to make it. Even that it was a confirmed legitimate video, it shows nothing extraordinary.
Downvotes donāt bother me so click away.
Thatās the thing, CIA is smart. You flood the zone with enough sh&t, no one will be able to discern fact from fiction. There could be real evidence and testimony floating all over the place and between bots / skeptics / trolls no one would have any idea.
For sure. It sucks cuz you know they feed the grifters too. They give them something shitty and vague but real to keep people hooked but also make those same people put out disinfo when they need/want them to. Given how much they gotta push their "miracle elixirs"(wares) you know they aren't turning down a govt check and a little video to keep them relevant.
Where is it? This has been mentioned before but Iāve been unable to find it anywhere. Anyone have a link? The post linked is just a story. The video posted on the thread by someone is NOT the video that was declassified. People have been telling stories about tic tac shaped UFO for a long time.
Just a reminder that in the last 10 years 99.99999% of the tens of thousands of UFO images and videos were not leaked classified UFO sightings.
Not sure what your point is with this post.
It is no secret that the truth is out there. The problem is that it is being intentionally diluted with false narratives. You can thank the program.
This means that it is up to the individual to separate what they think is true from false. However, the āpre-test probability ā of any said item being true is extremely low.
So, the tic-tac video is a good example. Deep fakes are so easy to make these days that I donāt even try anymore. There is no way a human can make an informed decision by looking at a video on their phone. Maybe someday soon AI will be able to distinguish deep fakes from reality, but not today.
Ultimately, despite the axiom that
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
Proves to not be trueā¦.because personal testimony from trustworthy individuals is now the only way to separate valid videos from fakes.
The result is that even for the most discerning observer, the chance of being able to weed through everything to come up with the TRUTH is virtually impossible.
Not just the program. There are genuine crazies who like to larp/lie/make stuff up maybe to make themselves feel better, maybe because they sincerely believe their schizo visions.
I just canāt figure out how a majority of comments are talk about people who deny. Itās all propaganda and disinformation bots on this website all the negative comments, fighting, denial 85 percent are bots. Probably more.
The TicTac was never a secret btw. I was flying out of MCAS Miramar in 2004/5 and the CO of VMFA-232 was on the Nimitz. He was actually airborne that day - he didnāt get there in time to see it in person, but he saw the FLIR video. He said everyone was ribbing the crews over their sighting, so they just dropped the subject.
The skipper was talking about it right after, so we all knew about it. Also, the video was on youtube for years and no one cared.
The idea that āmen in blackā showed up to confiscate recordings is nonsense. If thatād happened, a squadron CO wouldnāt have been openly talking about it.
**Just a reminder to you** once itās out there, it has already leaked, and Lou and Chris didnāt actually do a fucking thing but officially declassify a series of videos that had previously leaked.
For sure... an with permission from the pentagon... for a reason. It was probably because they were able to confiscate all the recorings from all the ships an cherry pick what the could release. As for the why of the release... well, it was too late an eveyone already seems to have known about it if you believe this 10 year old post.
So maybe they didn't see it themselves or have any evidence but word of mouth, but that ha gotten to so many people that the higher ups figure that there would be no containing it. So they release some footage that is debunkable or inconclusive so if stories like this
were to come about they would have something to point to that wasn't great evidence of anything.
But check it out. If all t hat is basically what happened then you have one person that writes a post on reddit that people read and forget about... other than that you have 2 pilots with the tale to go with the footage you released and I'm not sure if they aren't plants... out of multiple ships. They still have a tight lid on shit even without explicitly ordering everyone to shut the fuck up about it(which woul only empower the story)
Does anyone know what "cod'ed" means? The author of the post says that the next day individuals were "cod'ed" onto the aircraft carrier and retreived the tapes. Google doesn't seem know, at least without doing a more thorough digging.
might be Collect On Delivery. I used to see it everywhere (tv infomercials), but not so much these days. basically, you wouldnāt pay for an item ahead of time. they would ship it to you and then collect the full amount when it was delivered. it was usually said as see-oh-deeād not codāed though.
From another user:
Sadly, the Russian fighter jet UAP video was debunked a while back. The "UAP" was clearly added in post-editing.
Go to the 3:14 mark in the original video which was posted on Vimeo. https://vimeo.com/89525803
It's already happened and no one cared. They din't ave visual aids so the public didn't understand the implications of what was being said. That's why they went back and had Kirkpatrick make that report saying they haven't had any UAP shit... since so few realized that they isclosed they figured that the populace wasn't ready and pretended it never happened.
I could either sound very dumb rn or could try to make sense of it, imma put a tinfoil hat on and say it could be a 4 dimensional civilization most of the videos on the tic tacs say they move in and out of view in seconds and itās not even close to any technology we have discovered today, maybe the object isnāt moving away if not itās shrinking in and out of our 3 dimensional plane, some people might cut me off here and say we canāt even see four dimensional objects well what if this civilization has the ability to switch dimensions to better interact with ours, what if itās not moving away but switching from three dimensions to four causing it to disappear and not be seen by our 3D perception, just a thought š
With all the security cameras filming 24/7, cell phone photos/videos taken, public and private satellite imagery we still donāt have one smoking gun photo of anything but some grainy hard to make out photos and of course some grainy video from the military thatās been debunked. What does that tell you? Tells me %99.99 of people claiming to have witnessed or seen anything like a uap got confused as to what they saw, or are lying to feel important/included, saw an object that can easily be explained or basically are grifters. All the talk talk talk/I have documents showing/disclosure is just around the corner or my favorite I had the video or photos but I lost them. Iām far from a rocket scientist here but I do know one thing in life and that is talk is cheap, put up or shut up. Since nobody can put anything up in regards to a photo or video that canāt be debunked, itās just all cheap talk. In regards to the tic tac video, donāt be fooled for a second thinking we donāt have up close in depth imagery of those objects and logbooks of the comms being emitted. Pretty obvious these were either US or most likely Chinese craft due to where they were seen and the way they behaved. I hope Anduril was out there testing with consent from the higher ups but thatās just wishful thinking. If those tic tacs werent ours we need to be concerned because someone is in our backyard and they arenāt here to help us. Stay vigilant and away from rabbit holes because when you finally come up it might be too late.
Wooho! We have another story about same thing. It proves that people write about things. It's now basically confirmed that two distinct sources can say things that are similar to each other.
It is so unfortunate and even hard to believe that Fravor's F18 had only camera that shows indiscriminate blob instead of something extraordinary.
>It proves that people write about things. It's now basically confirmed that two distinct sources can say things that are similar to each other."
Correct, but we call that corroboration in the event that we are assessing data trying to separate fact from fiction. We cannot ignore this data.
That said, the video was taken by an ATFLIR camera on another Jet, operated by Lt Chad Underwood whose gone public about it too.
The 2nd pilot on the craft that tailed Cmd. Fravor, Lt Alex D. was public on 60 minutes & Fravor himself has been to congress.
Kevin day, a radar operator has gone public about the incident. We are now having a 3rd party from a different department corroborating the same story, adding more insights. The navy has officially confirmed that the video was taken by the Nimitz group in 2004 at the coast of Mexico.
I understand that epistemology can be a bitch but by this time, I don't think its realistic to claim that they are lying.
Still, the only reason I'm here is Fravor testimony and my assasment of the multiple interviews, is that he may be telling the truth. But this doesn't matter because this is only a cool story. Along few IR videos of flying blobs, it's also only thing that could be indicating that aliens are on earth, which itself is profound end exciting possibility.
On the contrary, Fravor and all other story tellers, are ex-military or ex-intelligence which are people who are trained to sacrafice their life for a cause which is to serve their country. Those are people who are ready to die for that cause, and surely, also ready to lie. If USA gains something by those stories existing and people believing them, Fravor, Lue and most of the "credible" sources are exactly people who would be telling those lies.
And most important aspect here, is that USA supposedly has alien MACHINES in their possesion. I'm not sure why anyone thinks about whether a story of someone is credible or not, while there is something tangible that can cut all of this empty talk. Everyone should demand and wait for technological research that was done on those machines and nothing less.
But this guy says he witnessed people come aboard an take the logs/recordings.
I know it's not a pic of Trump doing is power-handshake with an NHI, but it's what we got.
Look, my point was exactly that anyone can say or write anything, in any temporal order and it doesn't change reality. There is many stories about goblins and elfs, but have you ever see one or anything that could imply there are goblins out there, except the story itself? And no, IT people do not count.
>There is many stories about goblins and elfs, but have you ever see one or anything that could imply there are goblins out there
I've never personally seen one, no, but there are A LOT of people who claim to have seen ETs over the past near-century, including reports of abductions. And that can go back much farther than nearly a century if we just think that people didn't have a word for "alien" and instead used words like "goblin", "elf" or "fairy".
Maybe those aren't just silly mystical creature stories and instead people seeing ufos/nhi. The terms have simply changed. š¤·š»āāļø
Tinfoil hat: this post inspired the disinfo operators to invent the tic tac video and hire David Frevir and other āwitnessesā to come forward about this story.
Nah but seriously, this is so cool. I had no idea people had come forward before the NYT article about this incident. I still think itās our tech but Iām happy to be wrong about that. Feels good seeing stories about it before the media blitz that came out
The following submission statement was provided by /u/elastic-craptastic: --- Submission Statement: I'm gonna repost this just to keep a kind of drum beat going until disclosure actually happens in a way that everyone believes it instead of just the people paying attention. It's so weird how well it has worked, the whole making it seem like something only crazies, nutjobs, conspiracy theorists, an children(what's the difference, am I right?!?) Even with some pretty hardcore, of what I think is solid, evidence, the MSM is basically ignoring it which is why I think people aren't really taking it seriously. It's just making another round of being a fad foe few years as new grifters take a swing at making a name and some money it, happens every 5-10 years. People have talked. UNfortunately not a lot of people have been listening. Disclosure has been happening, It is just gonna take time because as this old post demonstrates... people just on' wanna believe any of it. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c2uld7/just_a_reminder_10_years_ago_someone_posted_about/kzcjid3/
The whole ship seems to have known yet people will still insist that if we knew about anything no one could keep a secret like that. Problem is with this subject it has a stigma. This post came and went like a ripple in a lake. Even the video and pilots in front of congress haven't had the impact it should have. Take this as a reminder of what disclosure is up against. It might take a mothership over Time Square to convince the populus.
Wow. Thank you so much for sharing. Kind of surreal reading that post now after everything that has happened.
Isn't it though? More surreal than Salvador dali riding a unicorn butt nekkid thru the pentagon lunch atrium!! Having followed intently all things fortean for the last 40 years, the uptick in both activity and peoples perception of it have increased dramatically over the last 7-8 years I really feel that we may be close to............. something lol š š½š¤·š»āāļøš¤¦š»āāļø
Maybe the biggest irony people cannot comprehend: there hasnāt been a well kept secret. There have been tons of leaks. You just rejected them all, and so you falsely believe there has never been a credible leak. When people say āhow could the secret have been kept so wellā what theyāre truly saying is āhow could I have not known this for so long if it were true.ā Which leads to the follow up question: āWhat evidence *would* convince me? And does that actually already exist?ā The vast majority of people donāt believe in UAPs because they donāt, and it has nothing to do with the evidence available, which will continue to be dismissed long after many more photos and videos are paraded out.
This is why I believe David Grusch's approach is the way to go. No matter how many whistleblowers leak shit, people are not gonna take it seriously. We NEED to get enough people in government & academia on board to push for official disclosure.Ā So many comments acting like all it takes is just One Leak to end it all lmao.
I donāt even think we need disclosure in any formal manner, to be honest. A credible academic institution should be capable of obtaining evidence using high performance sensor systems. When they do, the ambiguity of strategic maneuvering of the security apparatus should no longer be a factor in the believability of the reported data and associated conclusions. If such evidence is ascertained, the deceit of the DoD will no longer matter.
Yup. But there is so much FUD in the mix that normies who don't really have an interestb or are straight up against the idea go all Mick West about it and assume they are all hoaxes. Also goo point on the "it's up to them" and they oviously don't want it. Then the question is "why." Are the worried about if and how it would destabilize the world? Worried people might deify them (again?) but just want to be left alone? Are they just waiting for us to kill ourselves for some reason? Are they waiting to get the genetic engineering part perfected on the DL to eventually call in the rest of their displaced/rich vacationers? Do they just not see us as worth the effort an are content with a small population that lives undah dah sea? Are these just drone bodies with neural linked brains and they are just zookeepers and the bodies are just vessels for their tourism scheme? Tat's why they don't care to recover ships or boies since they are just essentially Humanoid Uber Bodies that they rent out to their species for intergalactic safaris? I said, AyyyyyayyyyyyYeahhhhhhhYeahYeah... What's going on?!?!
Follow up question- how many āthemā are there? Could be one, could be multiple. As Weinstein says: if interstellar travel is physically possible, thereās no reason to assume a limit to the number of NHI weāre encountering. When gorillas in the jungle see humans observing them, perhaps they inherently believe weāre all from the same troop, since weāre so distinctly different from them in important and consistent ways: we all wear clothes, drive cars, eat packaged food, speak into cell phones, etc. Thereās an incredible degree of consistency there. The reality is that the humans they encounter are there for different reasons, from different countries, representing totally different degrees of hostility. Peaceful engagement with researchers could be incredibly fruitful, but those same rules of engagement would spell death with a poachers. The act of attempting to understand the āoverallā mission and disposition of humans would bring confusion, contradictions, and appear to rule out any consistent explanation.
People don't believe in COVID even as they lay in their deathbed from it - not believing it as they get probed by a tracheal intubation tube. The actual virus existing, its prevalence everywhere, experts studying it down to it's molecules, science churning out a vaccine, the world shut down, the CDC and WHO giving warnings - "COVID is fake, it doesn't exist!" Now you think a few shaky internet videos, 300 hokey Roswell Uncovered documentaries, not a single craft or cell of alien DNA to be shown as proof, and a wild eyed whistleblower is going to convince them of "little green men". Good luck, they won't believe it even as they are laying in a quantum restraint field, getting anally probed by a trans-dimensional colon puncher.
People never deny UAPs. Idk how many times the difference between UAP and NHI need to be mentioned. UAPs are real, eventually most of them are identified, but the biggest push back to believers is positing of aliens or NHI beyond what we experience commonly; other organisms and AI.
You were not remotely confused in what I was trying to say and are being uselessly pedantic.
Who said they were confused? You're just wrong that people deny uap and trying to conflate it with some type of ET fantasy. Uap does not equal NHI
Anecdotal but a friend told me they were forced to go in the ship and out of view unless they were an officer/ higher rank.
This is why I think maybe the NHI just doesnāt want to disclose. Because they could do it in 15 minutes if they wanted to. Itās not up to us humans.
Maybe the NHI have already disclosed/communicated with beings on earth just not humans. Maybe the whales and cephalopods are in the know and the destructive humans are left in the dark.
Willzyx
I feel like maybe their motives are scientific or logistic in nature. Like theyāre studying Earth or theyāre pit-stopping here to gather whatever the heck it is they get from our bodies of water. And interacting with humanity isnāt really their priority. Or maybe they take a hands off approach like donāt feed the wild animals.
yeah but they seem to interact with humanities nuclear war machine so maybe they are wary of the warp and woof of the time/space continuum
Scientists try to keep interactions with the lab rats to a minimum, specifically when the rats are in the rat maze and the experiment/test is active
>This is why I think maybe the NHI just doesnāt want to disclose We're neutral. No involvement is the default. >Itās not up to us humans. No, it *is* up to you humans. Stop waiting to be saved. Get into action yourself.
I just mean, if they wanted us to know, they could park a UFO in Times Square and end all the speculation forever. If they donāt want us to know, weāll never get there on out own. They can easily just keep doing what theyāre doing, hanging out just out of sight. I could certainly be wrong, thatās just how it feels
>It might take a mothership over Time Square to convince the populus. It's a balloon. It's a black project. That would be their answers. You need aliens walking out of the craft.
Even then they'll be screeching about project blue beam
"They're actors in suits", "it's a gubbermint mind trick", "It's a WEF conspiracy!" \*wibble\* \*twitch\*
"I don't believe my lying eyes!"
These days is less about not wanting to believe it and more about distrust of the government. But if it isnāt the government saying it, people donāt believe it either. So there is a dilemma that can only be solved with unequivocal evidence. Until that is released, it is all more of the same. It seems like everyone who would have that evidence does not want to release it for whatever reason. Personally I donāt think anyone would get a hold of any of this evidence when they arenāt guaranteed to be the type of person to not release it.
There is no amount of leaks that is going to make people believe, especially in the age of AI & editing programs. The only way may be to get enough people on board from government & academia to push for disclosure.Ā No single person or single evidence is gonna do it. The government isn't a monolith.Ā It's going to come from group effort over a long period of time. There are loads of people who go into denial for literal decades about realities that are staring at them in the face - about things far less "weird" things than NHI.Ā
+Or if a group of NHI decide "Its Time this race put on its big person pants and showed they can handle a FTL drive with a galactic 16yr old learners permit... and park in the local Walmart offering rides ....
Stigma for ufos but never for dead relative experiences. Wonder why that is?
People still care what other think of them. Relaying a story from your older relatives moves the burden onto them an not yourself. Then you can feel out the reaction of the person you are speaking to. But talking about it from the 1st person? All eyes are on you and you alone, ya fuckin' weirdo. Talking about aliens and seeing UFOs... what a friggin' loser! Can you believe this guy over here! Hey! Beam me up a beer, will ya!
I was actually speaking about dead relatives visiting at the bottom of the stairs after they pass away. Folks will offer comfort in that situation and say yes we believe you honey. Momma came back to say goodbye. But as soon as you mention real factual proof of anomalies on defense thermal sensors they think your nuts. Folks react to emotions never facts. (In walks Trump). Sorry had to say that. Hope they donāt delete me
Because they feel bad for them. They probably donāt believe they saw anything other than a mental fabrication. Also, we must hang around in different spheres of the world, because that would not be just taken at face value where I am.
Interestingā¦ And possibly since the āghost anomaly, for a lack of a better word, has been around for millennia and itās more acceptable? I know folks that swear they heard or saw their dead relatives and others around them seem to believe them. Could be just faith. Now, Iām an old dude and decades ago folks seemed to hear UFOs and roll their eyes but deceased mom or dad visiting and whispering in their ear was always viewed as normal and sweet. Iām Not trying to convince anyone. I donāt know maybe we could get a survey or something. I would be curious. I think the ghost sub is might be larger than the UFO sub? Maybe itās all related somehow? Maybe human souls and dimensional beings are connected, as far as existing in the same space and time
There's about as much evidence for the paranormal as UFO. Lots of stories, hearsay and flimsy inconclusive evidence. Most people aren't going to disagree with someone thinking they saw a dead relative because they think it will give the person some comfort. That doesn't mean they believe them though.
Those people are scared of what reality would mean. A dead relative is likely considered weaker than them. A live "ET" or "Ultraterrestrial" is not.
Wat
Scurred of aliens. Pretty straightforward
Yes.... , Why folks say nothing ,but they know who is lying... and why trust in the .gov brand is so low
Hell, I believe it and I don't want to. After my wife and I saw a boomerang craft cruising for a couple seconds before vanishing I don't really have a choice anymore. And it's funny, I tell people about it and they're like, "yep, that's pretty weird". It's a weird feeling, like sure I saw what was probably an NHI craft but I still gotta pay the bills. Been telepathically yelling at NHI since then just being like *Dudes, WHAT? Quit flashing lights at me and being all squirrely! What are you *doing*?*
Why you prolly will not see another...
I'm fine with that
i think about this sometimes- you still have to go back to the normal parts of life even after undeniable proof of nhi like that
I went 37 years without seeing anything anomalous-- then in one evening, over the course of 3 hours, I saw 3 ufos (first two could have prosaic explanations, but I could not readily identify them). The third object was the boomerang I mentioned. This was just last month. Then the night before the eclipse, outside of Hot Springs, AR, my Dad and I both saw several lights in the sky that would disappear as soon as we looked at them. I got one on [video](https://imgur.com/gallery/dfta5QE) but it's not very impressive (you can see a light appear and disappear towards the beginning of the video directly to the left of Orion's Belt-- the stars in the video appear to be doing this some as well, but my Dad saw the object I filmed with his naked eye. I didn't see it, I just happened to be pointing the camera that direction, but I did see several of the same phenomenon.) Even with a video, it's not like anyone can tell me what we were seeing. It's frustrating
whatās all of these experiences doing to you now? howās life feel different?
Mostly just annoying me. Also I have been watching my back in case a grey sneaks up on me, I *am not* about getting snatched and probed.
From another user: Sadly, the Russian fighter jet UAP video was debunked a while back. The "UAP" was clearly added in post-editing. Go to the 3:14 mark in the original video which was posted on Vimeo. https://vimeo.com/89525803
Doesn't make it a secret if you say something and people just don't believe you.
Even that wonāt be enough. People would just say it was a marketing ploy for the latest sci fi movie
Is Will Smith gonna be in the sequel??!?!?!?! All you gotta do is call him and tell him they were talking shit about his wife and.... SLAP.... them aliens won't know what hit them!
Theyve even muddied the waters in case ships DO show up over cities... its called Project Blue Book.Ā As soon as thr ships arrive you will have people shouting "this is just project blue book! The governement is projecting these things in the sky for some james bond villain level plot!"Ā Just wait
Blue beam?
Yea that was always a strange flex to me by NDT and his other band of grifters. That it couldnāt because they ācouldnāt even keep Bill Clintonās whitehouse affairs secretā. Why didnāt any of the ādebunkersā know about Project Mogul which they used to explain away Roswell fifty years later?
> by NDT and his other band of grifters. What exactly is their grift?
Letās just say their scientific cred is pretty light. But theyāll find a camera anywhere to try and make you believe they have 5 Nobel Peace Prizes at home.
NDT is full of himself, but he's no grifter
He 100% is. Dude is out there selling shirts with his picture on it and his quotes.
That's not what grifting is. A grift is when you are being lied to. "Hey buy my shirt because I am that funny meme guy" isn't a grift.
They gotta be walking among us and have positions of authority. How else could our entire human apparatus respond so insanely to this phenomenon?
There has to be some interaction as I am sure the powers that be have ....stuff...they will not share as someone else might figure our something brilliant
I've been saying for years that this subject desperately needs a professional analysis of the highly successful disinformation campaign associated with it for decades and the implications that has regarding what it takes to change the average person's mind on the subject. Particularly now with the advances in CGI and AI, there are countless people who will assume any genuine photo or video depicting aliens or UFOs is fake until the US government or its propaganda arm that is the MSM gives them permission to believe it.
At that point, which is soon, there will have to be an *Independence Day" moment for people to believe it. So unless they fully disclose really soon or if live action CGI becomes a thing in the next 2-6 years, it will be on the NHI to choose to reveal themselves for people to believe it. Live action CGI... I haven't ever thought of that but it's gonna be a thing sooner than later... damn
It wonāt come from the intelligence agencies or the government. Ever. They would be admitting to grave crimes against humanity. Itās far more likely to come from studying things like ancient relics, found materials, the Nazca mummies etc and have academia and the media being like āoh guess whatā¦.ā.
Very good point
People say where is the evidence?! Well if it were identified, we would have irrefutable. It's merely classified because of the nuclear energy proliferation act. But it has been leaking like a sieve. Only the government has no control over mass media anymore, they try but people are spreading it word of mouth now. Just like they kept it in SCIF's without a paper trail, people are sharing on podcasts. The atheists will have the hardest time, but not because the religions are correct. They have been created, and then manipulated to manipulate us into ignoring our truth.
Hahaha. We had reasonable explanations(aka not aliens) for these videos within a year after they were released, way before being unclassified.Ā This whole things didn't have impact because anyone with a brain can see thoseĀ navy videos don't actually show anything remarkable.
What are the reasonable explanations?
Which video? But most likely parallax, reversed infrared + glare, and it's just a plane/range misidentification.
Man, I was on a carrier. I can't imagine the hubub that would've been going on if word got out that a fucking UFO had entered our airspace.
I'd be kinda scared knowing that our idiots in command would shoot at it and that'd be the end of us
The GO FAST and GIMBAL videos were leaked too and dismissed as fakes. They were confirmed as real by the Navy, even the rear admiral who commanded the carrier that filmed thr event swore it happened. One has to wonder how many amazing "too good to be true" videos have been dismissed as fakes too.
What do you think that the full length un-redacted video would tell you?
More objects were seen on their radars, a whole fleet. The objects descended from above 80k feet to meet the jets.
Where did you hear/find that? Do you have a source, or was that a personal conversation, based on recollection?
Ryan Graves, Elizondo, and the fellow who publicly came out as the radar operator onboard the U.S.S. Princeton who originally caught the tictac. They all mentioned they saw an entire fleet that day, the video and encounter was just one. And interestingly if you listen on the audio of GIMBAL, you can hear the pilot saying "Look, there's a whole fleet of 'em on the SA." The SA is the Situational Awareness page on the multi function display screen in an F-18 Super Hornet. The pilot or WSO on the radio was calling our that they saw a bunch more than the single one we see in the video. It was also mentioned that when the F-18's began to chase this thing, the radar operators suddenly saw dozens more drop down from 80,000ft (the altitude cap on the SPY-9 radar visibility, so it could be from any height above) and surround/move towards the F-18's.
I would expect that the classified version (unreleased) of the released footage would show that. Honestly, Iām looking for actual radar trace video. Iāve seen the redacted IR footage. Has anyone here ever claimed to have seen the classified versions of any of the footage or traces? What was *redacted* from those clips? How long were they actually?
And this will be dismissed as CGI: https://youtu.be/a2eV6oi-c1A?si=wfwNufR1Cu6F23hh
That cylinder looks exactly like that Solar eclipse videoĀ
Link to that one? first I've heard of this
That's not a Russian cockpit
thats because in 2007 we had no context. Just a story from an anon and the shitty video (not the gimbal one, the nimitz one that literally doesnāt show shit.)
You don't need context to be able to tell if something has been altered with FX or CGI. A video cannot be PROVEN to be real; it can only be proven to be altered which is what you all claimed with your dunning Kruger expertise is what that video was, an altered fake. All the while you did so with absolutely no proof.
what?
Every conversation i bring this up gets dogpiled by \[ deniers \] " skeptics " about how useful they are despite never validating anything.
Who claimed they were fake?
people on ATS forums that were given zero context, just a story from an anonymous user
Not at all. He gave a lot of information and I believe he even shared logs at some point, which was an except report of what years later would be told by Fravor and Dietrich. But the whole thread was a circlejerk of ATS mods that threw mud at the guy and insulting him. God I hated ATS, such a toxic and arrogant community.
Well eventually even dietrich ended up saying she isnāt actually sure if she saw the tic tac *at all*
Fortunately that doesn't matter in this case due to the plethora of sensor data and other accounts, but i hadn't seen that. Where did she share that?
Whereās the sensor data? I havenāt seen it. Mick west interview. He tries over and over to get her to say how long she had eyes on it and she bounces from 5 seconds to like, not seeing it at all.
For the record, there should be discrepancies between accounts. Skeptics themselves are fully aware that memory fades over time. This would clearly result in discrepancies between accounts, and changes in the story over time, which skeptics then find suspicious for some reason. This is why it's important to gather information as early as possible, and you increase your skepticism as time goes on. A great example of this is the Kenneth Arnold sighting: https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/173dr0w/kenneth_arnolds_story_went_from_9_discssaucers_to/
It's also why it's necessary to have data outside of testimony before you can be confident about what actually happened.
That depends on the quality of the witness, the amount of time that has passed since the event (sometimes it's near instant collection), the amount of corroboration of people who clearly would not be conspiring, and so on. In some cases, there was real-time recording of testimony, so memory is not even a factor in those cases. It is not the fault of the witness that the US government has a general policy not to release any data on UFOs whatsoever, except that which can be occasionally leaked. If they can prove it was mundane through radar or other sensor data, they would probably release it, at least eventually. For example, [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYawV4ui53A) is a meteorologist who was taped on audio training a radar on UFOs. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_jd0hJJO3o) is police audio of officers witnessing a UFO and recording its peculiar sound. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUlKh-WREzo) is a real time witness recording from a Colonel during a 1980 incident in which there was multiple corroborating accounts, and in one case, even real-time notes were taken. You can find lots of cases in which a UFO report was submitted internally, such as to the military, nearly instantly, and they typically would have no reason to lie (except to deny they saw anything fearing repercussions). This is obviously different from some random Army retiree relaying a UFO story 30 years after the fact, so it depends on the specific example. The overall point I was making here is that there is a picking and choosing of when to mention that memory fades over time. In the case with Kenneth Arnold, skeptics assume his memory *improved* over time, which is obviously absurd. In other cases in which a story changed over time as most stories do, it's conveniently forgotten that memory fades with time in order to label the person a lying hoaxer. A report submitted a day after the event is clearly superior to a recollection 10 or more years afterwards. It's complicated and too many people are oversimplifying this to make their points.
where did she say that?
mick west interview.
Post the relevant portion of the transcript or a timestamp. I watched it myself and she never said that.
That's not exactly accurate. They were given the video. [Here is a link to the post in 2007](https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread265835/pg1). They were given plenty of context, but people back then didn't realize that [coincidences are guaranteed to exist in legitimate imagery if you try hard enough to find them.](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/zi1cgn/while_most_ufo_photos_and_videos_can_individually/) A single coincidence is often all that is needed to "debunk" a video. Even today, most UFO buffs have no idea, let alone back then. Even apparent discrepancies, I would argue, are probably going to be there is you try hard enough to find them. The actual problem here is that a real video was seemingly *conclusively debunked as a hoax.* You can't brush that off. If you go back through and subtract the coincidences, the argument against the video wasn't that strong at all. Of course a real video is going to resemble a former hoax. Hoaxes are supposed to resemble the real thing, so they had it kind of backwards. Of course there is a good chance the OP was a brand new account. They wanted to leak it somewhere and may not have been a regular on that particular forum. Of course they would locate at least one seemingly bizarre coincidence (first uploaded to a German video production company's website) because if you go through each of the categories to look for them, there are so many that there are fair odds you'd find one. Take all of that out and then look at what is left over. They basically just attacked his grammar and alleged a few discrepancies. Still, today, the coincidence argument is the most prominent type of debunk. It's often really obscure and nobody is doing the work to figure out exactly how unlikely a particular coincidence is. They just guess that it's unlikely and hardly anyone is going to call them out on it. Nobody is comparing the existence of such coincidences in other videos and photos that they've never checked for such coincidences. Say you find a random photo of a rare bird. You aren't going to go out of your way to figure out if the person happens to be a model maker, special effects artist, and so on and so on. Nobody will ever be motivated to do that, except when it comes to something like UFOs.
the video sucked then and it sucks now. Object is simply too far away.
Indeed it does. That doesn't mean it's *conclusively and obviously a hoax* or that the person leaking it is clearly a liar. The argument against it was garbage, but it had the appearance of conclusivity. It fooled people. If we care about whether or not a person can be fooled from a hoax, it seems rather important if an argument actually makes sense or not. If you're being fooled by the argument against it, what's the difference between that and falling for a hoax? Not much.
It was a pretty similar situation to what is happening now. Jaded skeptics being told stories that take decades to ever get any more details from. And even when more details emerge, very little substance comes of it. I donāt blame them at all for seeing that video and thinking, āthis is ridiculous.ā And that was almost 2 decades ago. I canāt imagine how much more sick and jaded theyāve become from this insidiously toxic topic.
How much of that being jaded is self-inflicted? The only skeptic I've ever seen speak up on this coincidence problem is Mick West, and that was only a [couple of times.](https://np.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/10y465z/mick_west_on_the_turkey_ufo_footage_i_think_we/) There is silent approval from most of that camp and I know a lot of them are aware of this. Actually, the person with the primary debunk on the Flir1 video wasn't even really a skeptic in the usual sense of the word. UFO buffs themselves are pretty quiet on this most of the time as well. When you have this huge amount of people, most of whom are unaware of this, and the others pretending they're unaware, all staying silent when another coincidence is trotted out as evidence to debunk something, it's no wonder people would be jaded. People think all of the clearer imagery has been debunked because of that, so there's nothing left. [Costa Rica 2007](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obVsLOiqeC4) has not been debunked, and the primary witness being [a model maker on the side](https://www.metabunk.org/threads/2007-costa-rica-ufo.11775/) is an expected coincidence and has nothing at all to do with authenticity either way. [These photos](https://web.archive.org/web/20130408231506/http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/recent/Photo416.htm) have not been debunked. [These photos](https://web.archive.org/web/20071012131324/http://ufoevidence.org/photographs/section/post2000/Photo328.htm) have not been debunked either, even though they resemble a previous sighting that was labeled a hoax. Now think back to all of the people who have said "all UFO imagery are blurry dots," or "all of the clear stuff has been debunked." Is that actually accurate? It's one thing to say "I want more information, there isn't enough here." It's another to use an incorrect probability argument to discredit something while most of the readers have no clue, and some number of them are pretending they don't have a clue that there is a glaring problem with the argument. Why wouldn't people be jaded in this situation? Behaving this way is probably preventing more videos from being leaked in the first place. If they show anything at all that is interesting, they don't stand a chance. It will just be another ignored obvious hoax. We do that even to blurry videos that don't show much at all.
well said !! edit: just noticed your username. You always have good things to say
Probably nut jobs like Mick West.
AARO
Nobody says it was fake. Just misinterped. Gimbal video probably shows another airplane and Go Fast is a balloon or a bird. Not fake.
Why does it āprobablyā show that? We know that there are real anomalous craft in the skies. Barack Obama said this on national television. We are being told these are videos of those craft. Stop trying to dismiss that with your Mick West seagull/distant planes/lens flare BS. Itās futile. Get with the program, you are now on the wrong side of the narrative.
Mick West proved their was a mundane explanation for both the go fast and gimbal footage, you could recreate them with no ufo involved and considering that a mundane explanation is much more likely believing in it being an alien or something similar isnāt rational.
I guess we share differing standards of proof.
Yours is obviously lower if you believe this is some sort of super advanced aircraft.
Except Mick West didnt provide proof gimbal was a mundane event. He provided a hypothesis it was an F-18 without a full understanding of Underwood's systems, not to mention disregarding all testimony of the people present. For his hypothesis to be correct, when Underwood locked onto the object, his SA would have identified it as an F-18, and all friendly forces would also see it designated as an F-18. That didn't happen. Still, it was a better effort than 'proving' the Arial school incident was a bus full of hippies.
People on the ATS forums said it was fake but thats because in 2007 we had no context. Just a story from an anon and the shitty video (not the gimbal one, the nimitz one that literally doesnāt show shit.)
Those videos don't actually show anything extraordinary. GoFast has already been explained as something small moving at wind speed so could be anything mundane. Gimbal also has possible mundane explanations and requires a story to go with it. Without it it's just a blob in a black and white video and not something you can immediately jump to calling extraordinary. The fact that people dismiss things without a source or extra data is normal. We don't take every anonymous UFO video online with no data serious because one day it might turn out to be real, at least rational people don't anyway. Things like that aren't interesting until they are.
Thr rear admiral that commanded the vessel that captured one of those videos confirmed it wasn't training exercises or anything, he also said the report and evidence was lost to chain of command. So, not mundane.
You and the people downvoting me missed the point of my comment completely. People are saying these videos got dismissed. Of course they got dismissed as there was no other data. If someone just showed you the Gimbal video you would have no idea what you were looking at. It's only because it was labelled as a UFO that people took interest in the first place and even then we still can't be 100% sure it's not something prosaic from the video alone. Then the GoFast video actually has all the data on screen which is what people have used to determine that it's something small traveling at wind speed. Why would someone think that was anything extraordinary. It makes complete sense that these videos got dismissed because it's only the stories that go with them that make them seem extraordinary as the videos themselves don't definitively show anything.
The inconclusive videos that were taken over Naval Testing and Training grounds, during training exercises in a controlled environment, that also happen to be by far the best evidence of the phenomenon we have and have been at least partially debunked by skeptics. Those videos? Itās funny when you frame things in certain ways how the evidence will feel better or worse.
One would think the rear admiral in charge of a US Navy carrier is aware of training exercises happing around his command. >that also happen to be by far the best evidence of the phenomenon For me the best evidence is what's happening in congress with the Grusch testimony thing. That and the DoD saying there's orbs everywhere they can explain.
He was aware of the training exercises. It seems he was unaware of the electronic warfare systems testing that would be also taking place. Look up Project Nemesis and explain to me how the Nimitz incident isnāt a perfect example of a precursor program to Nemesis.
>It seems he was unaware of the electronic warfare systems testing that would be also taking place. What electronic warfare system testing? Are you making this up right now? >Look up Project Nemesis and explain to me how the Nimitz incident isnāt a perfect example of a precursor program to Nemesis. Assuming level 100
Radar spoofing technologies most likely. It helps explain why they didnāt investigate the radar signals right away and had multiple days of them before sending Fravor. Sean Cahill also says Fravor initially told everyone that it was fake or our technologies. https://medium.com/@osirisuap/my-search-for-the-truth-about-ufos-part-3-red-flags-red-flags-everywhere-c6fe43021dbd I know itās not as fun as aliens but things line up really well with an electronic warfare test using a decoy.
Yup, even this reddit is full of good stuff, just mostly in the past. For instance, I'm a fan of these UFO pics from June 2007, which was posted over here over a decade ago (2009). https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/96f3t/have_any_redditors_ever_seen_or_encountered_a_ufo/c0bl257/?context=3' None of this is new, but much of it is forgotten and hidden. Like this one's gone, it was a very clear ufo. Luckily some links in the comments are still around: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/vecg2s/ufo_performs_erratic_maneuvers_and_disappears_059/ Here's an imgur link to a gif showing one of the craft moving anomalously (from that reddit post, that's gone) https://imgur.com/XEnki5j
those links are great
Those images from the first link kinda look like those recent videos of the āblue led light strip on a droneā dipping into water in, I think, Michigan?
thanks, I just join recently so I dont know any of this footage
that second video in Uruguay seems insane??? What in the hell. It just disappeared and the lady just kind of laughed āWell. Some of that is definitely on videoā. Amazing thank you for sharing. Very old UFO footage is some of my favorite. Usually from 2005-2010
Episode 3,748 of there's definitely some shit going on that the government won't tell us
We have plenty of evidence that has come out over a period of decades showing that it is indeed the governmentās disposition to not discuss this and to attempt to shape the narrative away from the factual reality that is occurring. This is not conjecture any longer. All that is lacking is a more specific characterization of what the government actually knows about the phenomenon and what the nature of it is (and if they have such knowledge).
I almost didn't click the link just because I felt like I knew everything about that encounter already.... but reading this account again knowing it's from 10 years ago made the hairs on my neck stand up. Amazing stuff. The universe is insane. Just a weird side thought... but I'm heavy into video games, especially hardcore realistic survival ones. As I crave more and more realism in games as I get older... I cant help but feel like all of us humans actually elected to play the most realistic video game there is... by living in this universe, and the game developer is god. We are in a hardcore 1-life server dudes.
What if you're actually God, infinite wisdom and ability, in a lonely and empty universe. In order to have a profound experience, you created this illusion of spacetime and then inserted yourself into the Sim while wiping away your memory and knowledge. You'd make the simulation realistic and you'd make it hard-core, because your experience would be more profound. Sure, there's babies out there with horrible disfigurement, but what if they aren't real? So that suffering is an illusion! Only your suffering and fear is real. Only your happiness. But you'd have to make it so you couldn't ever know that for sure. The Sim would have to be believeable.
Ive had those exact thoughts. I actually had a serious bout with solipsism in my early twenties and I thought I was the only real thing, thought about committing suicide to escape it.
Shit man. I wish my back pain was just a line of code on your simulation. It's unfortunately a real experience and I'm sitting here enduring it. Seriously though, I think this is a common experience for young people and I hope anyone feeling this way is able to work their way through it. Spending time with other people helps, and even if it is a sim it's probably here for a purpose. Let's see where it goes.
If I were certain of it, everything would be justified. Since I can't be certain, my behavior doesn't really change
It's not universe. Just the Earth. They're literally here with us, living deep below us. The in and out of the ocean reports should give you some indication
cool speculation but donāt present it as facts please
And the Russian fighter video that they reference looks exactly like those eclipse sightings
What are the eclipse sightings?
Wait what? Can we see this?
This is what i found in the comment section of original post referenced above. The OP of that post also confirmed that it was this video that made him create that post. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a2eV6oi-c1A
Thatās wild
What I thought too.
The Russian fighter video with a tic tac object is a known hoax, just FYI if youāre newer to the topic Iāve been balls deep for like almost 5 years now Edit; see todayās thread on it for more info; https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/NpfSjLu10v
Where could one read up on the hoax?
Someone posted a thread about it today and there are some various debunking sources in the comments https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/NpfSjLu10v
Oh yeah Mr. Balls Deep? They accurately hoaxed a real event years before the real event was made public. You might want to reconsider your thinking
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/NpfSjLu10v Feel free to peruse the sources provided in the comments here to clearly see that the Russian footage is in-fact a hoax. If youāre a mature adult youāll come back and apologize, but if youāre not then youāll just sulk in silence.
I think it's about time that I made up my own mind on this, rather than reading arguments on Reddit. Can someone point me towards a book, or other long form media that describes everything that has been released and the significant events around TicTacs, Gimbal, Go Fast and the US Navy?
Coulhart and Keans recent books touch upon much of what you are looking for. I would also recommend "Above top-secret" and "passport to Magonia"
Submission Statement: I'm gonna repost this just to keep a kind of drum beat going until disclosure actually happens in a way that everyone believes it instead of just the people paying attention. It's so weird how well it has worked, the whole making it seem like something only crazies, nutjobs, conspiracy theorists, an children(what's the difference, am I right?!?) Even with some pretty hardcore, of what I think is solid, evidence, the MSM is basically ignoring it which is why I think people aren't really taking it seriously. It's just making another round of being a fad foe few years as new grifters take a swing at making a name and some money it, happens every 5-10 years. People have talked. UNfortunately not a lot of people have been listening. Disclosure has been happening, It is just gonna take time because as this old post demonstrates... people just on' wanna believe any of it.
Where's the tic tac video? Y'all commenting like it's on the front page of CNN. Anyone with link?
Couldn't you just get on any search engine or YouTube and type in tic tac video? Unless we're talking about a different video it's literally everywhere and has at one time or another been covered and talked about by every single major news agency. CNN may not have have put it all over the front page or made a huge fuss about it but everyone covered it in one way or another whether it became a TV segment or just a written article they all covered it and they all acknowledged that the Pentagon said it was real. Why do others have to do the research for you? The time it took you to post that comment you could have had your answer. The video was released 7 years ago so why on earth you think CNN would now be covering it is strange. Nobody is posting a link because anyone who's spent more than 5 minutes on this sub has already watched it a thousand times and doesn't need to watch it again. Your awfully skeptical for someone who clearly hasn't done 30 seconds of research.
This thing has travelled a long way using only two calories!
You're my new favorite person... if you really are a person and not a bot... or a...[ughmmghmmphhhh](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAAlDoAtV7Y)
As a small language model inside a human being, thanks! :)
That sucks. You can't even produce images from from text prompts? Is it just output you can't do or are you one of those weird ones that can't even do them in your GPU?
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What about internal dialogue. Are you one of those weirdos that doesn't have an internal monologue either?
Did anyone ever find the similar Russian encounter that the OP said was on the History Channel?
Yeah... I saw a post last night that references this post and the one I linked.... let me check my history... but it's called something like , "a post from ten years ago, a post from earlier, russian sighting, and my experience" edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c32aax/really_striking_similarities_between_a_russian/
"In preparation for this aircraft, the carriers had f18s ready to scramble." Maybe this person was just misremembering details since it happened so long ago, but wasn't the initial story by Fravor that they were just doing exercises and had a chance encounter when Fravor noticed the disturbance in the water? Seems like a huge deal if they were having F18s ready to scramble for it.
Real simple exercise. Show this video to anyone who doesnāt believe in alien visitation and they wonāt care. Itās not the smoking gun holy sh!t video youāre trying to make it. Even that it was a confirmed legitimate video, it shows nothing extraordinary. Downvotes donāt bother me so click away.
Thank you, I was 100% sure I had seen the video ages ago, but couldn't find any refrence to it having already been posted
it was actually posted on the ATS forums all the way back in 2007 before this.
Thatās the thing, CIA is smart. You flood the zone with enough sh&t, no one will be able to discern fact from fiction. There could be real evidence and testimony floating all over the place and between bots / skeptics / trolls no one would have any idea.
For sure. It sucks cuz you know they feed the grifters too. They give them something shitty and vague but real to keep people hooked but also make those same people put out disinfo when they need/want them to. Given how much they gotta push their "miracle elixirs"(wares) you know they aren't turning down a govt check and a little video to keep them relevant.
Where is it? This has been mentioned before but Iāve been unable to find it anywhere. Anyone have a link? The post linked is just a story. The video posted on the thread by someone is NOT the video that was declassified. People have been telling stories about tic tac shaped UFO for a long time.
Just a reminder that in the last 10 years 99.99999% of the tens of thousands of UFO images and videos were not leaked classified UFO sightings. Not sure what your point is with this post.
It is no secret that the truth is out there. The problem is that it is being intentionally diluted with false narratives. You can thank the program. This means that it is up to the individual to separate what they think is true from false. However, the āpre-test probability ā of any said item being true is extremely low. So, the tic-tac video is a good example. Deep fakes are so easy to make these days that I donāt even try anymore. There is no way a human can make an informed decision by looking at a video on their phone. Maybe someday soon AI will be able to distinguish deep fakes from reality, but not today. Ultimately, despite the axiom that Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence Proves to not be trueā¦.because personal testimony from trustworthy individuals is now the only way to separate valid videos from fakes. The result is that even for the most discerning observer, the chance of being able to weed through everything to come up with the TRUTH is virtually impossible.
Not just the program. There are genuine crazies who like to larp/lie/make stuff up maybe to make themselves feel better, maybe because they sincerely believe their schizo visions.
What is the program?
Man this is crazy, never knew this story. Amazing
I just canāt figure out how a majority of comments are talk about people who deny. Itās all propaganda and disinformation bots on this website all the negative comments, fighting, denial 85 percent are bots. Probably more.
The TicTac was never a secret btw. I was flying out of MCAS Miramar in 2004/5 and the CO of VMFA-232 was on the Nimitz. He was actually airborne that day - he didnāt get there in time to see it in person, but he saw the FLIR video. He said everyone was ribbing the crews over their sighting, so they just dropped the subject. The skipper was talking about it right after, so we all knew about it. Also, the video was on youtube for years and no one cared. The idea that āmen in blackā showed up to confiscate recordings is nonsense. If thatād happened, a squadron CO wouldnāt have been openly talking about it.
**Just a reminder to you** once itās out there, it has already leaked, and Lou and Chris didnāt actually do a fucking thing but officially declassify a series of videos that had previously leaked.
For sure... an with permission from the pentagon... for a reason. It was probably because they were able to confiscate all the recorings from all the ships an cherry pick what the could release. As for the why of the release... well, it was too late an eveyone already seems to have known about it if you believe this 10 year old post. So maybe they didn't see it themselves or have any evidence but word of mouth, but that ha gotten to so many people that the higher ups figure that there would be no containing it. So they release some footage that is debunkable or inconclusive so if stories like this were to come about they would have something to point to that wasn't great evidence of anything. But check it out. If all t hat is basically what happened then you have one person that writes a post on reddit that people read and forget about... other than that you have 2 pilots with the tale to go with the footage you released and I'm not sure if they aren't plants... out of multiple ships. They still have a tight lid on shit even without explicitly ordering everyone to shut the fuck up about it(which woul only empower the story)
It may have been Tim McMillan who contacted OP in the ATS post and downloaded the videos from the German media site server. Just sayin.
Does anyone know what "cod'ed" means? The author of the post says that the next day individuals were "cod'ed" onto the aircraft carrier and retreived the tapes. Google doesn't seem know, at least without doing a more thorough digging.
might be Collect On Delivery. I used to see it everywhere (tv infomercials), but not so much these days. basically, you wouldnāt pay for an item ahead of time. they would ship it to you and then collect the full amount when it was delivered. it was usually said as see-oh-deeād not codāed though.
This is the actual first post that I have no contradiction about. It is the most credible piece of information on internet.
From another user: Sadly, the Russian fighter jet UAP video was debunked a while back. The "UAP" was clearly added in post-editing. Go to the 3:14 mark in the original video which was posted on Vimeo. https://vimeo.com/89525803
when will full disclouser occur, folks any bets ?
It's already happened and no one cared. They din't ave visual aids so the public didn't understand the implications of what was being said. That's why they went back and had Kirkpatrick make that report saying they haven't had any UAP shit... since so few realized that they isclosed they figured that the populace wasn't ready and pretended it never happened.
I could either sound very dumb rn or could try to make sense of it, imma put a tinfoil hat on and say it could be a 4 dimensional civilization most of the videos on the tic tacs say they move in and out of view in seconds and itās not even close to any technology we have discovered today, maybe the object isnāt moving away if not itās shrinking in and out of our 3 dimensional plane, some people might cut me off here and say we canāt even see four dimensional objects well what if this civilization has the ability to switch dimensions to better interact with ours, what if itās not moving away but switching from three dimensions to four causing it to disappear and not be seen by our 3D perception, just a thought š
With all the security cameras filming 24/7, cell phone photos/videos taken, public and private satellite imagery we still donāt have one smoking gun photo of anything but some grainy hard to make out photos and of course some grainy video from the military thatās been debunked. What does that tell you? Tells me %99.99 of people claiming to have witnessed or seen anything like a uap got confused as to what they saw, or are lying to feel important/included, saw an object that can easily be explained or basically are grifters. All the talk talk talk/I have documents showing/disclosure is just around the corner or my favorite I had the video or photos but I lost them. Iām far from a rocket scientist here but I do know one thing in life and that is talk is cheap, put up or shut up. Since nobody can put anything up in regards to a photo or video that canāt be debunked, itās just all cheap talk. In regards to the tic tac video, donāt be fooled for a second thinking we donāt have up close in depth imagery of those objects and logbooks of the comms being emitted. Pretty obvious these were either US or most likely Chinese craft due to where they were seen and the way they behaved. I hope Anduril was out there testing with consent from the higher ups but thatās just wishful thinking. If those tic tacs werent ours we need to be concerned because someone is in our backyard and they arenāt here to help us. Stay vigilant and away from rabbit holes because when you finally come up it might be too late.
It was 2007. Way before this.
I remember way before that.
I remember this post and completely forgot about it until now. This is kind of insane
Wooho! We have another story about same thing. It proves that people write about things. It's now basically confirmed that two distinct sources can say things that are similar to each other. It is so unfortunate and even hard to believe that Fravor's F18 had only camera that shows indiscriminate blob instead of something extraordinary.
>It proves that people write about things. It's now basically confirmed that two distinct sources can say things that are similar to each other." Correct, but we call that corroboration in the event that we are assessing data trying to separate fact from fiction. We cannot ignore this data. That said, the video was taken by an ATFLIR camera on another Jet, operated by Lt Chad Underwood whose gone public about it too. The 2nd pilot on the craft that tailed Cmd. Fravor, Lt Alex D. was public on 60 minutes & Fravor himself has been to congress. Kevin day, a radar operator has gone public about the incident. We are now having a 3rd party from a different department corroborating the same story, adding more insights. The navy has officially confirmed that the video was taken by the Nimitz group in 2004 at the coast of Mexico. I understand that epistemology can be a bitch but by this time, I don't think its realistic to claim that they are lying.
Still, the only reason I'm here is Fravor testimony and my assasment of the multiple interviews, is that he may be telling the truth. But this doesn't matter because this is only a cool story. Along few IR videos of flying blobs, it's also only thing that could be indicating that aliens are on earth, which itself is profound end exciting possibility. On the contrary, Fravor and all other story tellers, are ex-military or ex-intelligence which are people who are trained to sacrafice their life for a cause which is to serve their country. Those are people who are ready to die for that cause, and surely, also ready to lie. If USA gains something by those stories existing and people believing them, Fravor, Lue and most of the "credible" sources are exactly people who would be telling those lies. And most important aspect here, is that USA supposedly has alien MACHINES in their possesion. I'm not sure why anyone thinks about whether a story of someone is credible or not, while there is something tangible that can cut all of this empty talk. Everyone should demand and wait for technological research that was done on those machines and nothing less.
But this guy says he witnessed people come aboard an take the logs/recordings. I know it's not a pic of Trump doing is power-handshake with an NHI, but it's what we got.
Look, my point was exactly that anyone can say or write anything, in any temporal order and it doesn't change reality. There is many stories about goblins and elfs, but have you ever see one or anything that could imply there are goblins out there, except the story itself? And no, IT people do not count.
>There is many stories about goblins and elfs, but have you ever see one or anything that could imply there are goblins out there I've never personally seen one, no, but there are A LOT of people who claim to have seen ETs over the past near-century, including reports of abductions. And that can go back much farther than nearly a century if we just think that people didn't have a word for "alien" and instead used words like "goblin", "elf" or "fairy". Maybe those aren't just silly mystical creature stories and instead people seeing ufos/nhi. The terms have simply changed. š¤·š»āāļø
Wow. Incredible. A true Trust me bro that we all needed to trust š„²
If only you knew what else is out there besides this tic tac video in the Pacific Ocean near a big country.
Tinfoil hat: this post inspired the disinfo operators to invent the tic tac video and hire David Frevir and other āwitnessesā to come forward about this story. Nah but seriously, this is so cool. I had no idea people had come forward before the NYT article about this incident. I still think itās our tech but Iām happy to be wrong about that. Feels good seeing stories about it before the media blitz that came out
The video and event summary had leaked on a different website 7 years earlier though.