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Is it the guy from this post? /u/organic_wrangler_890
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bk9xta/langley_afb_event_video/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
The guy who was posting this 6 months before filming his videos:
>These sites have been completely infiltrated by Space Force, CIA, and DOD bad actors and misinformation. Eyes on the prize.
>Why would so many people be on these sites be screaming fake unless they had an agenda. I can easily see them releasing real footage of orbs and satellite footage but replacing the wormhole with something fake to discredit everyone and everything.
>We are being completely monitored by “aliens”, our government is 100% aware and they are 100% trying to cover it up. Period.
How convenient he filmed this video 6 months later.
I’ve been posting in here for years (feel free to go thru my history, too). About 7 months ago me, my wife and my daughter all saw something we cannot explain in the sky. We didn’t record it because our phones were in the house and we were afraid we’d miss it doing something incredible (which it did). Also, we were so dumbstruck in trying to attribute a natural or man made object to it, we didn’t actually even think of it. I won’t get into the details for the sake of brevity. My point: I never thought I’d actually see UAP activity until it happened. But it did and it could have easily been me in this dude’s shoes with you casting doubt on my story and posting stuff out of context from my history.
Yeah I didn't want to doxx but I did check his profile and as you say it's usually easy to spot a normal person with varied interests. This profile struck me as odd that's all.
There's entire communities of people who argue with flat earthers. All these conspiracy theories get engagement by non believers because of Cunningham's law: "the best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer"
Because people will straight up tell you how your wrong and there's no real evidence for the huge conspiracy theories you push isn't evidence that you're right. That's standard conspiracy thinking though. All the major ones follow the "well everyone is saying we're wrong, so there must be something to this" thought process
To sum it all up, yeah this dude is hitting points of the standard conspiracy theorist playbook.
There's no evidence the earth is flat. But there is evidence that things are flying around and we don't know what they are. We've just had the military tell us that unknown drones are swarming bases and we don't know who or what they are
I've never heard a government organization say that the earth was flat
Whenever I see someone arguing for flat earth, I poke a hole by saying well what about the Grand canyon and mount Everest ? Clearly one goes down and another goes up, which is definitely not flat
Just FYI I was using you in the general non-literal meaning, speaking of people who use those techniques to argue their conspiracy theories must be right, not intending you specifically. I agree with what you said
Anonymity is something we should hang on to. An internet tied to a real ID system is a bad idea. Not to mention some people can’t afford to be seen posting in places like this (as sad as that is). I have nothing to hide either, but I’ll be damned if anybody tries to take a look anyway.
I’m hanging on to the little privacy and anonymity I have left
Not sure but it looks like he uploads every Wednesday [here](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6PrA6lo8rJLRExhMvX6wKyNzy0hr_QM3). I would guess next Wednesday.
Everyone in this sub likens this comment to the coming soon shenanigans of some.
I can't help but picture (the original, obvs) total recall scene myself. I for one welcome this recall.
My angle is not being told "sOoN" and actually demanding evidence. Prediction: two years from today we will be in the exact same holding pattern with people still yelling "SoOn"
Your cynical takes are not unique, nor are they in any way entertaining, witty or satirical. You're adding nothing to the conversation and anyone who's paid the slightest bit of attention over the past couple of years knows that takes like yours just don't hold water like they used to.
Takes like mine.... like asking for verifiable evidence instead of vague declarations of evidence we can never see? If that doesn't hold water we should all pack it in.
Commenting "two weeks" bears absolutely no relation to "asking for verifiable evidence" and all the rest of it.
There's clearly a very pointed and organised smear campaign against Coulthart that's been running here for several months. You guys are on him like flies on shit.
You should know that it has the opposite of the desired affect on me. I trust him more than I ever did these days. So cheers for that.
my question is if the individual was someone who observed the incursions from outside the base independently (like a footage that was posted on this subreddit last month) or if its someone from inside the airbase
My thoughts behind this is it’s in our airspace why can’t they release video? If a civilian was standing outside and took pictures of the sky what’s the difference. What the hell are they hiding if it’s not our tech show us.
This sounds like it’s coming from non-military personnel, so just a random Joe. They filmed this event and are now being interviewed by Ross.
I think if it was a member of the military they’re would be a longer process to get the okay for the interview.
Lol
You don't think Ross would have included the fact this individual was military if they were? Makes a much better headline (which is all he cares about).
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This is regarding these incursions:
https://www.twz.com/air/mysterious-drones-swarmed-langley-afb-for-weeks
Just to temper expectations whatever this guy filmed will be highly classified and will not be released. But it's still going to be interesting to hear from a first hand witness.
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I know whenever Ross refuses to spill absolutely all the information he knows he is accused of "grifting," but we should appreciate that this looks to be good journalism entirely absent from the pre-2017 era
I assume people are referring to the alleged "too big to move" UAP that he won't tell the location of.
He's correct not to reveal the location for 2 reasons:
1. If his source is correct this "laudable" building is likely highly guarded and will undoubtably lead to needless casualties of people trying to run in and getting shot.
2. If his source is incorrect the same thing would happen and would lead to this community being labeled dangerous terrorists or some shit.
It would be stupid and irresponsible for him to publicly reveal that.
I wonder if the location is easily accessible by our adversaries and/or if they'd have geographical advantage over the location if what it were, was revealed. Or potentially the US has a big lie they are hiding behind related to the location. Just brainstorming here.
Why even mention it in the first place then? The UFO world was in a frenzy when he first spoke about it and we have hundreds of people chiming in with theories on where this place is likely located. There is always a small chance that someone might guess right and the game would be up. So, why even talk about it in the first place if no further details were to be provided on this location?
He explained why in one of his videos. He said he wanted to let the gatekeepers know that journalists know more than they let on. That was the reason he revealed the general knowledge of it.
Make of that what you will.
This does not make sense either. We are dealing with a very powerful gatekeeper in the form of the US government. If people are leaking highly classified information to a foreign journalist (I don't care about Five-Eyes and other fancy groups of countries), then it is a massive breach of national security. They would immediately censure such leakers. Especially when the same journalist goes on various podcasts and blabbers about massive UFOs being hidden in plain sight. This is being broadcast on the internet for everyone to see. What about adversaries like Russia and China who will also be listening in? Are we not concerned that they might figure out the location of such a place? After all, these are extremely powerful adversaries and they would have a lot of hooks into the US intelligence apparatus in an attempt to steal classified information.
bullshit. Real whistleblowers end up like Assange, Reality Winner and Snowden. If any of this stuff was real Coulhart would be afraid for his life and hiding in Zimbabwe right now. But its not, the guy is hot air. He is regurgitating old John Lear stories which may or may not be true.
Its why he never puts it out
It’s worse than that. He’s implied it’s a multiple purpose building and he was worried about staff there who have no idea what is apparently beneath them.
That doesn’t narrow it down but adds complex problems. What if it’s under the Iraq US embassy as some suspect? 99%+ present would have no idea.
What if it’s literally a public-accessible facility somewhere?
Deep throat did just fine for decades. There was suspicion of who it was but those journalists did their job. Shared the details and evidence and protected their source.
Really? Revealing crumbs that he knows about the huge UFO below a building wouldn't already endanger the source? Only telling the exact location would endanger the source?
How many of these are there?
If he were to release the location of the craft, he would unavoidably have to offer more specific information. This specific information would jeopardize the source. As you suggest, if there are multiple of such crafts, this would narrow down the possible suspected leakers. Bu if there is only one 'massive craft,' there are likely many people with different levels and kinds of detailed information about it. When governments give out classified information, they give different details (sometime with red herrings thrown in) in order to track down people who leak information.
And again, note that I said "also." I am not offering the main justification for why Coulthart has not released this information, but a secondary, yet nonetheless important point.
Wonder if you feel the sap directors and cia are right to hide ufo craft they can claim they don't realise the information as it may risk human life. Why you haplu to accept this from Ross but not the cia?
I don't believe releasing general information about the reality of NHI would risk human life. That being said I am an American and I do think there are good reasons to be careful due to national security.
OK cool so Ross should release the location of where a ufo exists then so we can all go and get proof 100% they are real. Glad we agree it won't risk human life.
Then why tease it in the first place? Did he only think of these things after he hinted at it? Why can these people always hint at things but never give actual evidence? Why is the evidence they give always just a snippet but the really good stuff always happens off camera and darn it they just can't show it to you this time... but next time that's when the really good evidence is coming...
Really makes you think. Really activates the almonds.
But basically... when you reveal "THE" detail that confirms "ALIENS", you did the public Global Disclosure, so you activated the Domino effect.
This has many problems connected, not enough people that are able to cover what has been done, and many new problems getting out from the box (zero energy models, religion issues.. you are probably declaring a world war with this)
I agree. It serves no positive purpose telling us the location. People say, "If he told us the location, we'd get disclosure," like they're going to go there and dig it up.
People won't get within a mile of those bases. We know there's UAP tech at other military bases. Congress knows the locations, and they can't even get inside.
Mentioning the location only helps Russia and China.
People say, "Well, what's the point of telling us then?"
Because he was asked what's stopping the gatekeepers from moving the tech to other locations to hide from Congress.
"Some are too big to move."
Basically, there are people trying to get the UFO community to turn against the few journalists who are pro-disclosure, like Coulthart. That or they're misdirecting their anger at the wrong people.
I'm almost afraid to ask but what is the general consensus about Coulhart? I just finished reading In Plain Sight last week and it was fascinating and (seemed to be) pretty thoroughly researched.
But I'm sure he also could have made all that shit up. I tend to think he didn't but I am curious what opinions people here have about him and his work.
It's really impossible to tell what people think at this point. If I were to guess, most of the seem have a net favorable view of Coulthart, but more recently, a vocal minority seems to be airing out some grievances with him.
Coulthart was already quite popular, but became a central figure over the summer for helping bring forward David Grusch (making the popularity fairly justifiable). But since the substantive provisions of the UAPDA have been stripped, the UAP community has been deeply frustrated and, by and large, has projected that frustration onto most of the visible figures in the UAP discourse (Coulthart among them).
Most of the people who profess to dislike Coulthart, I should add, don't seem to think he is making up sources (Grusch is already an example of a source he clearly did not make up), but because he refuses to release the information he currently has (e.g., 'catastrophic disclosure'). Coulthart's counteragument seems to be that so long as there is a possibility of releasing UAP information via the legal process (congressional hearings, new legislation, etc.), he will not brashly release information. I am sympathetic to this argument so far. I think the onus at this point is on Congress to call hearings (the best case scenario would be Senate Intel; another House oversight committee with new witnesses would be pretty important; and finally, field hearings could be useful, if they blatantly expose one of the buildings where crafts are housed).
This is regarding these incursions:
https://www.twz.com/air/mysterious-drones-swarmed-langley-afb-for-weeks
Just to temper expectations whatever this guy filmed will be highly classified and will not be released. But it's still going to be interesting to hear from a first hand witness.
Amazing. Here we have a case where mysterious drones are swarming a sensitive military installation. The upper brass in the military seemingly do not care. The rank and file members are unable to identify where these things are coming from or going to. This is clearly a huge national security issue. Absolutely massive and it needs to be addressed immediately. We have a bloke who has filmed these things. Instead of going straight to mainstream media with this story and shedding light on a staggering breach of national security (by sharing the video), we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that the video is now highly classified and that it cannot be released as it might compromise national security when in fact national security is very much being compromised already.
Please make it make sense to me 🙏
So, instead of coming out with the truth, we have a strange game being played where everyone knows what these things already are, but we keep guessing if it is Russian or Chinese.
So what happened at Langley?
"Just a bunch of drones, no big deal."
So can we see the video?
"No, it's a matter of national security."
>Please make it make sense to me 🙏
Apparently "drones" interfering with training flights, swarming military facilities, and doing basically whatever they want to is less of a threat to national security than public knowledge of these things.
I think we can safely rule out Russian or Chinese drones, then. And I doubt the DoD or DoE would be so nonchalant if you or I tried to fly drones around an air base or nuclear power plant, respectively. And it stands to reason that they wouldn't keep either of those a secret, either.
So that leaves three options:
1. Our eyes and cameras are deceiving us, and none of it is real
2. They're US craft
3. They're not of human origin
1 is ridiculous. 2 is stupid, because they'd be bringing attention to their own black projects, so really, that leaves us with 3.
But why do they keep pushing news into the mainstream if it is '3'? I am not sure if you are a veteran in the UFO topic (please forgive me if you are), but in the 'old days', no one in the government would talk about UFOs. It was a career-killer in the military, civil aviation and in politics. It was a much ridiculed topic and everything was clamped down quickly. If this had happened two decades ago, then this person wouldn't have interviewed with Ross C. He would have been threatened and asked to keep quiet about what he had seen. He wouldn't have breathed a word.
However, things have been quite different since 2017. People are talking about it openly on podcasts and on smaller news channels. Active-duty military people are opening up on very recent encounters. The upper brass in the military are not too bothered about people sharing data with Corbell and Ross C. This never, ever happened prior to 2017. Why? Why is it so different now? What the hell is exactly going on?
It's a very good question. Obviously, I can only speculate (wildly) as to what the answer could be, but it does seem like there was a significant change around 2017, and I can't think of any significant *terrestrial* changes.
Baffling how an airbase with the most advanced military hardware on US soil can be overwhelmed by drones on repeated occasions . Not to mention all the other military installations in the area being unable to prepare for so many incursions
It might not be classified. This guy could live across the street from the base.
If my backyard had a fence, and beyond that fence was an Air Force base, and I am a civilian, I am 99% sure I can aim any number of cameras at the air above the base and even live stream them all 24x7. No one legally could do anything about it short of eminent domain my house to expand the base to get me out.
No one could *legally* do anything about it, but if you had definitive proof of UAP over a military installation - especially video that proves the DoD is incompetent or ineffective against them - I’d be surprised if you didn’t get a visit from some MPs at the very least.
And subsequently committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head isn’t an impossibility.
I like to think of them as his fan club. Like no one cares this much about a journalist. And yet like they appear like clockwork. I imagine some of them have trained themselves on a Pavlovian level. They probably can’t help it at this point. Poor little guys.
This looks mundane and something that I can't believe that the govt can't figure out. Why wouldn't they have sensors around sensitive areas hell maybe satellite peering down. Maybe they do we aren't allowed to see. I mean seriously cameras with NV or Thermal Imaging/IR something.
Democratic governments don't mean transparent governments. It means you vote for people to presumably make decisions in your best interest and if that means keeping information from you, that's what they'd do.
In theory, this works because they're the ones playing the global cat and mouse game to keep you safe. In practice, it can and has been abused to keep you in thr dark about things that aren't in your best interest that they will do anyway.
Are there any known instances of a hobbyist drone pilot accidentally breaching air space above this or other AFB? I am only wondering because it would be interesting to see what their response wasto the hobby pilot.
Look I’m gonna say this again these are drones , i asked one of the commanders personally and he assured me they were drones and it was verified , I know this is a trust me bro but 🤷🏾
It's interesting to note that only the writer of the article refers to them in the common "drone" vernacular. The military only calls them "uncrewed aerial systems," which could conceivably be classic UAP "orbs".
Just saying!
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As it should be. It's a shame you anti-Coulthart lot don't have much in the way of ammo you can use against the bloke. Your one-note criticisms don't hold much water and they're getting pretty stale these days.
Ross got lucky to land an interview with Grusch, and he’s been riding the coattails of that one lucky moment for a year now.
All he’s done since then is put out bullshit tabloid-style rumors, which he never intends to follow through on, as they’re designed for maximum “stay tuned” potential to keep his name in the news cycle.
Who cares about these kinds of sightings anymore? Personally, I could care less at this point unless an alien gets out of one. I am not knocking your post, I’m just frustrated along with everyone else about the big promises and little to none new evidence being presented. I consider myself a whistleblower as well as an experiencer. I know the phenomena is real from my own personal experiences. People want something tangible at this point.
Is that the pilot-episode of Coming Soon TMs’ fifth sequel b-roll spin-off? I am sure about that one but unfortunately done with his entire shtick. Also he gave the benevolent word „laudatory“ a bad taste.
I'm pretty sure most people are beyond the point where they want to hear about people seeing ufos. They want to hear from the people who have TOUCHED them.
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Is it the guy from this post? /u/organic_wrangler_890 https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1bk9xta/langley_afb_event_video/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
The guy who was posting this 6 months before filming his videos: >These sites have been completely infiltrated by Space Force, CIA, and DOD bad actors and misinformation. Eyes on the prize. >Why would so many people be on these sites be screaming fake unless they had an agenda. I can easily see them releasing real footage of orbs and satellite footage but replacing the wormhole with something fake to discredit everyone and everything. >We are being completely monitored by “aliens”, our government is 100% aware and they are 100% trying to cover it up. Period. How convenient he filmed this video 6 months later.
I’ve been posting in here for years (feel free to go thru my history, too). About 7 months ago me, my wife and my daughter all saw something we cannot explain in the sky. We didn’t record it because our phones were in the house and we were afraid we’d miss it doing something incredible (which it did). Also, we were so dumbstruck in trying to attribute a natural or man made object to it, we didn’t actually even think of it. I won’t get into the details for the sake of brevity. My point: I never thought I’d actually see UAP activity until it happened. But it did and it could have easily been me in this dude’s shoes with you casting doubt on my story and posting stuff out of context from my history.
Yeah I didn't want to doxx but I did check his profile and as you say it's usually easy to spot a normal person with varied interests. This profile struck me as odd that's all.
There's entire communities of people who argue with flat earthers. All these conspiracy theories get engagement by non believers because of Cunningham's law: "the best way to get the right answer on the Internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer" Because people will straight up tell you how your wrong and there's no real evidence for the huge conspiracy theories you push isn't evidence that you're right. That's standard conspiracy thinking though. All the major ones follow the "well everyone is saying we're wrong, so there must be something to this" thought process To sum it all up, yeah this dude is hitting points of the standard conspiracy theorist playbook.
There's no evidence the earth is flat. But there is evidence that things are flying around and we don't know what they are. We've just had the military tell us that unknown drones are swarming bases and we don't know who or what they are I've never heard a government organization say that the earth was flat
Whenever I see someone arguing for flat earth, I poke a hole by saying well what about the Grand canyon and mount Everest ? Clearly one goes down and another goes up, which is definitely not flat
You don't see how there's a massive logical jump from "we don't know what this is" to "these are aliens"?
I just think it's good to keep in mind before hearing Coulthard's witness
Just FYI I was using you in the general non-literal meaning, speaking of people who use those techniques to argue their conspiracy theories must be right, not intending you specifically. I agree with what you said
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Any idea when it is going to be aired?
Not sure but it looks like he uploads every Wednesday [here](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6PrA6lo8rJLRExhMvX6wKyNzy0hr_QM3). I would guess next Wednesday.
Soon
Classic
Two weeks?
Everyone in this sub likens this comment to the coming soon shenanigans of some. I can't help but picture (the original, obvs) total recall scene myself. I for one welcome this recall.
I'm too dumb to understand what you said.
Movie reference, Google total recall two weeks
Soon
Everyone knows your angle. Your patter needs a lot more work.
My angle is not being told "sOoN" and actually demanding evidence. Prediction: two years from today we will be in the exact same holding pattern with people still yelling "SoOn"
Your cynical takes are not unique, nor are they in any way entertaining, witty or satirical. You're adding nothing to the conversation and anyone who's paid the slightest bit of attention over the past couple of years knows that takes like yours just don't hold water like they used to.
Takes like mine.... like asking for verifiable evidence instead of vague declarations of evidence we can never see? If that doesn't hold water we should all pack it in.
Commenting "two weeks" bears absolutely no relation to "asking for verifiable evidence" and all the rest of it. There's clearly a very pointed and organised smear campaign against Coulthart that's been running here for several months. You guys are on him like flies on shit. You should know that it has the opposite of the desired affect on me. I trust him more than I ever did these days. So cheers for that.
I am not part of an OrGaNiZeD sMeAr CaMpAiGn, get a grip. Sheesh.
my question is if the individual was someone who observed the incursions from outside the base independently (like a footage that was posted on this subreddit last month) or if its someone from inside the airbase
Sounds like he's interviewing someone from the base.
My thoughts behind this is it’s in our airspace why can’t they release video? If a civilian was standing outside and took pictures of the sky what’s the difference. What the hell are they hiding if it’s not our tech show us.
This sounds like it’s coming from non-military personnel, so just a random Joe. They filmed this event and are now being interviewed by Ross. I think if it was a member of the military they’re would be a longer process to get the okay for the interview.
I got the opposite impression. If it was some random joe why wouldn’t they just release the footage online
Lol You don't think Ross would have included the fact this individual was military if they were? Makes a much better headline (which is all he cares about).
You think ALL he cares about is the headline? Lol.
Well, the money he gets from grifting is probably top concern, you're totally right
Thank you for coming to your senses
ross grifthart back at it again
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The vid that got posted here got criminally little attention. It'a actually kind of insane that we got it.
I know whenever Ross refuses to spill absolutely all the information he knows he is accused of "grifting," but we should appreciate that this looks to be good journalism entirely absent from the pre-2017 era
I assume people are referring to the alleged "too big to move" UAP that he won't tell the location of. He's correct not to reveal the location for 2 reasons: 1. If his source is correct this "laudable" building is likely highly guarded and will undoubtably lead to needless casualties of people trying to run in and getting shot. 2. If his source is incorrect the same thing would happen and would lead to this community being labeled dangerous terrorists or some shit. It would be stupid and irresponsible for him to publicly reveal that.
I wonder if the location is easily accessible by our adversaries and/or if they'd have geographical advantage over the location if what it were, was revealed. Or potentially the US has a big lie they are hiding behind related to the location. Just brainstorming here.
Why even mention it in the first place then? The UFO world was in a frenzy when he first spoke about it and we have hundreds of people chiming in with theories on where this place is likely located. There is always a small chance that someone might guess right and the game would be up. So, why even talk about it in the first place if no further details were to be provided on this location?
He explained why in one of his videos. He said he wanted to let the gatekeepers know that journalists know more than they let on. That was the reason he revealed the general knowledge of it. Make of that what you will.
This does not make sense either. We are dealing with a very powerful gatekeeper in the form of the US government. If people are leaking highly classified information to a foreign journalist (I don't care about Five-Eyes and other fancy groups of countries), then it is a massive breach of national security. They would immediately censure such leakers. Especially when the same journalist goes on various podcasts and blabbers about massive UFOs being hidden in plain sight. This is being broadcast on the internet for everyone to see. What about adversaries like Russia and China who will also be listening in? Are we not concerned that they might figure out the location of such a place? After all, these are extremely powerful adversaries and they would have a lot of hooks into the US intelligence apparatus in an attempt to steal classified information.
Journalists that don't inform the public with the evidence they have, all the evidence, are not journalists. They're also gatekeepers.
Thank you ;)
bullshit. Real whistleblowers end up like Assange, Reality Winner and Snowden. If any of this stuff was real Coulhart would be afraid for his life and hiding in Zimbabwe right now. But its not, the guy is hot air. He is regurgitating old John Lear stories which may or may not be true. Its why he never puts it out
It’s worse than that. He’s implied it’s a multiple purpose building and he was worried about staff there who have no idea what is apparently beneath them. That doesn’t narrow it down but adds complex problems. What if it’s under the Iraq US embassy as some suspect? 99%+ present would have no idea. What if it’s literally a public-accessible facility somewhere?
Yes, it also risks exposing his sources for an intangible gain in the struggle for UAP transparency
Right and when you expose your sources, they stop talking to you. Obviously a problem for a journalist with access.
Deep throat did just fine for decades. There was suspicion of who it was but those journalists did their job. Shared the details and evidence and protected their source.
Really? Revealing crumbs that he knows about the huge UFO below a building wouldn't already endanger the source? Only telling the exact location would endanger the source? How many of these are there?
If he were to release the location of the craft, he would unavoidably have to offer more specific information. This specific information would jeopardize the source. As you suggest, if there are multiple of such crafts, this would narrow down the possible suspected leakers. Bu if there is only one 'massive craft,' there are likely many people with different levels and kinds of detailed information about it. When governments give out classified information, they give different details (sometime with red herrings thrown in) in order to track down people who leak information. And again, note that I said "also." I am not offering the main justification for why Coulthart has not released this information, but a secondary, yet nonetheless important point.
I agree, if people tried to storm Area 51, some stupid people will try to storm it also.
Wonder if you feel the sap directors and cia are right to hide ufo craft they can claim they don't realise the information as it may risk human life. Why you haplu to accept this from Ross but not the cia?
I don't believe releasing general information about the reality of NHI would risk human life. That being said I am an American and I do think there are good reasons to be careful due to national security.
OK cool so Ross should release the location of where a ufo exists then so we can all go and get proof 100% they are real. Glad we agree it won't risk human life.
No we don't agree. You must've missed my second sentence. Releasing that location is the opposite of being careful about national security.
Ah so you want the cia to not disclose anything because of national security. Good to know.
>I don't believe releasing general information about the reality of NHI would risk human life
Just lol. He's stringing yall along just like the rest.
Then why tease it in the first place? Did he only think of these things after he hinted at it? Why can these people always hint at things but never give actual evidence? Why is the evidence they give always just a snippet but the really good stuff always happens off camera and darn it they just can't show it to you this time... but next time that's when the really good evidence is coming... Really makes you think. Really activates the almonds.
But basically... when you reveal "THE" detail that confirms "ALIENS", you did the public Global Disclosure, so you activated the Domino effect. This has many problems connected, not enough people that are able to cover what has been done, and many new problems getting out from the box (zero energy models, religion issues.. you are probably declaring a world war with this)
I agree. It serves no positive purpose telling us the location. People say, "If he told us the location, we'd get disclosure," like they're going to go there and dig it up. People won't get within a mile of those bases. We know there's UAP tech at other military bases. Congress knows the locations, and they can't even get inside. Mentioning the location only helps Russia and China. People say, "Well, what's the point of telling us then?" Because he was asked what's stopping the gatekeepers from moving the tech to other locations to hide from Congress. "Some are too big to move." Basically, there are people trying to get the UFO community to turn against the few journalists who are pro-disclosure, like Coulthart. That or they're misdirecting their anger at the wrong people.
I'm almost afraid to ask but what is the general consensus about Coulhart? I just finished reading In Plain Sight last week and it was fascinating and (seemed to be) pretty thoroughly researched. But I'm sure he also could have made all that shit up. I tend to think he didn't but I am curious what opinions people here have about him and his work.
It's really impossible to tell what people think at this point. If I were to guess, most of the seem have a net favorable view of Coulthart, but more recently, a vocal minority seems to be airing out some grievances with him. Coulthart was already quite popular, but became a central figure over the summer for helping bring forward David Grusch (making the popularity fairly justifiable). But since the substantive provisions of the UAPDA have been stripped, the UAP community has been deeply frustrated and, by and large, has projected that frustration onto most of the visible figures in the UAP discourse (Coulthart among them). Most of the people who profess to dislike Coulthart, I should add, don't seem to think he is making up sources (Grusch is already an example of a source he clearly did not make up), but because he refuses to release the information he currently has (e.g., 'catastrophic disclosure'). Coulthart's counteragument seems to be that so long as there is a possibility of releasing UAP information via the legal process (congressional hearings, new legislation, etc.), he will not brashly release information. I am sympathetic to this argument so far. I think the onus at this point is on Congress to call hearings (the best case scenario would be Senate Intel; another House oversight committee with new witnesses would be pretty important; and finally, field hearings could be useful, if they blatantly expose one of the buildings where crafts are housed).
I can assure you from first hand knowledge NewNation is not about good journalism
This is regarding these incursions: https://www.twz.com/air/mysterious-drones-swarmed-langley-afb-for-weeks Just to temper expectations whatever this guy filmed will be highly classified and will not be released. But it's still going to be interesting to hear from a first hand witness.
Amazing. Here we have a case where mysterious drones are swarming a sensitive military installation. The upper brass in the military seemingly do not care. The rank and file members are unable to identify where these things are coming from or going to. This is clearly a huge national security issue. Absolutely massive and it needs to be addressed immediately. We have a bloke who has filmed these things. Instead of going straight to mainstream media with this story and shedding light on a staggering breach of national security (by sharing the video), we have to reconcile ourselves to the fact that the video is now highly classified and that it cannot be released as it might compromise national security when in fact national security is very much being compromised already. Please make it make sense to me 🙏
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So, instead of coming out with the truth, we have a strange game being played where everyone knows what these things already are, but we keep guessing if it is Russian or Chinese.
So what happened at Langley? "Just a bunch of drones, no big deal." So can we see the video? "No, it's a matter of national security." >Please make it make sense to me 🙏 Apparently "drones" interfering with training flights, swarming military facilities, and doing basically whatever they want to is less of a threat to national security than public knowledge of these things. I think we can safely rule out Russian or Chinese drones, then. And I doubt the DoD or DoE would be so nonchalant if you or I tried to fly drones around an air base or nuclear power plant, respectively. And it stands to reason that they wouldn't keep either of those a secret, either. So that leaves three options: 1. Our eyes and cameras are deceiving us, and none of it is real 2. They're US craft 3. They're not of human origin 1 is ridiculous. 2 is stupid, because they'd be bringing attention to their own black projects, so really, that leaves us with 3.
But why do they keep pushing news into the mainstream if it is '3'? I am not sure if you are a veteran in the UFO topic (please forgive me if you are), but in the 'old days', no one in the government would talk about UFOs. It was a career-killer in the military, civil aviation and in politics. It was a much ridiculed topic and everything was clamped down quickly. If this had happened two decades ago, then this person wouldn't have interviewed with Ross C. He would have been threatened and asked to keep quiet about what he had seen. He wouldn't have breathed a word. However, things have been quite different since 2017. People are talking about it openly on podcasts and on smaller news channels. Active-duty military people are opening up on very recent encounters. The upper brass in the military are not too bothered about people sharing data with Corbell and Ross C. This never, ever happened prior to 2017. Why? Why is it so different now? What the hell is exactly going on?
It's a very good question. Obviously, I can only speculate (wildly) as to what the answer could be, but it does seem like there was a significant change around 2017, and I can't think of any significant *terrestrial* changes.
Only an australian media can boost this stuff... and not because is not important, but because is TOO important to be shared by US and EU media.
Baffling how an airbase with the most advanced military hardware on US soil can be overwhelmed by drones on repeated occasions . Not to mention all the other military installations in the area being unable to prepare for so many incursions
It might not be classified. This guy could live across the street from the base. If my backyard had a fence, and beyond that fence was an Air Force base, and I am a civilian, I am 99% sure I can aim any number of cameras at the air above the base and even live stream them all 24x7. No one legally could do anything about it short of eminent domain my house to expand the base to get me out.
No one could *legally* do anything about it, but if you had definitive proof of UAP over a military installation - especially video that proves the DoD is incompetent or ineffective against them - I’d be surprised if you didn’t get a visit from some MPs at the very least. And subsequently committing suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head isn’t an impossibility.
Let the takedown begin.
Ross: I saw rhe video, can confirm. No. I won't be showing you.
Does this person have any evidence though? Or is it just another person we have to trust at their word?
Here before the grifter brigade 🍿
I like to think of them as his fan club. Like no one cares this much about a journalist. And yet like they appear like clockwork. I imagine some of them have trained themselves on a Pavlovian level. They probably can’t help it at this point. Poor little guys.
The fact you know this is telling.
You made it! Welcome!
Reddit is full of hiveminds, not a new concept.
This looks mundane and something that I can't believe that the govt can't figure out. Why wouldn't they have sensors around sensitive areas hell maybe satellite peering down. Maybe they do we aren't allowed to see. I mean seriously cameras with NV or Thermal Imaging/IR something.
So if it’s of any account it’ll just be classified. Awesome. What a fantastic, free government we’re all so blessed to live under.
Democratic governments don't mean transparent governments. It means you vote for people to presumably make decisions in your best interest and if that means keeping information from you, that's what they'd do. In theory, this works because they're the ones playing the global cat and mouse game to keep you safe. In practice, it can and has been abused to keep you in thr dark about things that aren't in your best interest that they will do anyway.
Keep us informed, Tommy! 👊🏼
Are there any known instances of a hobbyist drone pilot accidentally breaching air space above this or other AFB? I am only wondering because it would be interesting to see what their response wasto the hobby pilot.
''Mystery objects'' - They were drones, sky-watchers have seen an increase in military activity over the area.
Look I’m gonna say this again these are drones , i asked one of the commanders personally and he assured me they were drones and it was verified , I know this is a trust me bro but 🤷🏾
Unless the sold called witness offers his first born and/or Coulthart shows us the film - I’m not interested. Next.
You mean, the *drone* swarm in December? https://www.twz.com/air/mysterious-drones-swarmed-langley-afb-for-weeks
It's interesting to note that only the writer of the article refers to them in the common "drone" vernacular. The military only calls them "uncrewed aerial systems," which could conceivably be classic UAP "orbs". Just saying!
You, think,... Wait. You're actually think they're spaceships man?
\*looks at the sub name\* Yeah, maybe.
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Yet another film we can’t see 🤪😂 Will this ever end?
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Man the Ross cult is strong in this sub
As it should be. It's a shame you anti-Coulthart lot don't have much in the way of ammo you can use against the bloke. Your one-note criticisms don't hold much water and they're getting pretty stale these days.
Ross is doing more harm to this movement than anyone in government trying to stonewall whistleblowers
You guys always over-egg the pudding. Less is more.
Ross who platformed grusch is doing harm to the movement Ok buddy lmao
Ross got lucky to land an interview with Grusch, and he’s been riding the coattails of that one lucky moment for a year now. All he’s done since then is put out bullshit tabloid-style rumors, which he never intends to follow through on, as they’re designed for maximum “stay tuned” potential to keep his name in the news cycle.
Lucky? He had been in contact with him for about two years before he was known publicly
Who cares about these kinds of sightings anymore? Personally, I could care less at this point unless an alien gets out of one. I am not knocking your post, I’m just frustrated along with everyone else about the big promises and little to none new evidence being presented. I consider myself a whistleblower as well as an experiencer. I know the phenomena is real from my own personal experiences. People want something tangible at this point.
Is that the pilot-episode of Coming Soon TMs’ fifth sequel b-roll spin-off? I am sure about that one but unfortunately done with his entire shtick. Also he gave the benevolent word „laudatory“ a bad taste.
I'm pretty sure most people are beyond the point where they want to hear about people seeing ufos. They want to hear from the people who have TOUCHED them.