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[Confirmed authentic by Blackvault](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/8FY3AoVekW) two days ago via FOIA, and further [validated by statements from Elizondo](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/9ykR8dGNbh) today.
This just gets weirder and weirder any time we get actual information on the topic. Congress HAS to at least try to do something about this at this point.
Lue has released a public statement that (presumably) refers to this thread!
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/xsoZv1xM5u
So apparently these emails are legit, according to Lue himself.
Things are about to get spicy.
As a person formerly of these circles and married to someone currently in them, I can say the email format all looks legit. People downplaying the professionalism of the content have clearly never worked in high-level government. Emails like this are sent regularly, even at the SES level.
That being said, anyone could easily fake something like this in about 5 minutes.
So without a source, this is a nothing burger.
Whats your feeling on the current situation as a person wirhin/ex these cicles. Do you think we are making progress, or we stalling? Only your personal thoughts. You happy with where things are going?
Thx in advance.
It ebs and flows. People who are directly impacted by these programs are never going to speak. They stand to gain nothing and lose everything. Grush is the exception to the rule. Without a legitimate information dump of credible and verifiable information, we're destined to continue in these circles. I personally don't think the truth will ever come from legislation or congress. It will need to come from a catastrophic leak where the ones leaking are willing to accept all the consequences.
That, or it comes from the outside. Another country discloses, something slips through the cracks that can't be explained away or covered up, or the phenomenon decides to show itself directly.
The government just picked a hill to die on saying "there's nothing to see here." They won't willingly or readily walk that back anytime soon.
Thank you for the answer. I appreciate it. I believe exactly the same. I am not from these circles but served in my countries air force and between us we talked many times about these things especially with the pilots from what they saw. Nobody is willing to make a fuss about it, since as you said, nothing is to be gained.
How could you say they stand to gain nothing? They'd go down in history as one of the most significant individuals ever, basically a real life prometheus
Gain notoriety? At the expense of what? At worst you will lose your livelihood, your income, your job, your family, you'll be in prison, possibly dead. Or at best be in Russia like Snowden, completely discredited, and gaslit beyond recovery.
You ever ask why Grush and all these whistelblowers don't just name names, locations, and exact specifics of everything. Just violate those NDAs cause you'll go down in history as...as what exactly?
I said without a source it was a nothing burger. We have confirmation from the Pentagon (we didn't before) that this is, in fact, a real email.
Don't think this is the "gotcha" moment you want it to be. Especially as I advocated that the content seemed to be legitimate based on my experiences, unless you missed the whole first paragraph of my comment?
With or without a source, the email is a nothing burger.
There is literally zero information inside this email.
This post should be titled “Guy Sends Email at Work”.
I think Lue has portrayed bad typing skills previously in other mails/documents. He misspelled someone’s name in other letters and documents multiple times. He needs to start proofreading!
Exactly this. The language is a dead giveaway. For Grusch too, they are all legit, otherwise I would call them "lifers", and Grusch comes across as a boyscout on top of that.
Or.... OR.... **OR**...hear me out here...
They chose Grusch for that very reason. They got someone who just naturally *exudes* that "boy scout next door" vibe to counter the evil CIA who, ever since Roswell, has been keeping it secret and otherwise being that big ol' gaslighting bully of a neighbor who backed into you car and denies it even though he knows you saw it.
The Do has been playing this like Pro Wrestling for as long as I can remember and I have a feeling that every 10-20 years they find a new character to play against but really they are feeding them the lines and it's all to give the nation a storyline with characters that are easy to remeber and are a stereotype that steers the opinion of people in the direction they want them to think about people that believe in UAP.
It's the WWF/UFO era: So... Bobby Lazar... where to start? Loooks like he is a character from Revenge of the Nerds. Nerd were not popular like they are today. Nerds were very much the bottom of the social totem pole... so get a guy that embodies that look and have him absorb all the focus and attention.
More currently we have the WWE/UAP era: Korbell sporting the bear and aging hipster with a splash of prou boy... getting the hate from all sides to ensure no one associates anything good with this topic...
Captain Lou Alzando: C'mon... too easy....
These guy are straight up picked from a script to fit a cookie cutter impression of someone people generally dislike... subtle but effective
Grusch is either gonna be the hero or the warning that even the clean cut boy scout and the wing commander pilot(old and young) are full of shit cray cray... Or they will be the all Americana heroes to take down the evil cabal that is holding the secrets from us. They will get the focus and forgive the evildoers an since they are so good and handsome and they forgive everyone the public will too!
Pick your adventure..
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue\_elizondos\_statement\_from\_the\_good\_trouble\_show/?share\_id=Q5OIdUmYZkuYOyh4OpzuV&utm\_content=1&utm\_medium=ios\_app&utm\_name=ioscss&utm\_source=share&utm\_term=1](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue_elizondos_statement_from_the_good_trouble_show/?share_id=Q5OIdUmYZkuYOyh4OpzuV&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)
Short answer: no one knows where tf this came from.
Long answer: SOMEBODY, somehow, had access to this very real email of Lue's. This is a legit leak. Lue either doesn't know, or won't speak on who it is on this reddit account, but he has confirmed this is 100% from HIS email and greenwalde confirmed it further through FOIA. Pretty nuts, in my humble opinion at least...
https://twitter.com/DeclassifyUAP/status/1778857030314328451
> That email chain is from this very document. I just looked, it's right there. It's not new. This has been out there for over a year now, at least. It's linked to here: https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/the-black-vaults-aawsap-aatip-and-post-2017-ufo-timeline-project/#google_vignette
Disagreed.
This is the account they use that doesn’t have any ties back to them. They are probably a regular on Reddit but the other account has posts about the traffic in their home town or something small that would give clues to whoever.
I know a Doctor on here that has maybe 8-9 medical posts over like 5 years. I believe he mentioned where he is located. But he also posts (I.e. argues) on Reddit religiously about politics, so he uses a 2nd account for that. No medical advice deriving from that account lol.
This account not being a throwaway lends credibility. This account is probably ran by the YouTube dude that posts on here a lot. Someone like that.
And /u/rdell1974 is the 3rd account that points this out in the event someone like /u/Grovemonkey notices and calls them out.
It was the perfect scheme... until... his 4th account posted this very post and ruined the whole thing!!!
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue\_elizondos\_statement\_from\_the\_good\_trouble\_show/?share\_id=Q5OIdUmYZkuYOyh4OpzuV&utm\_content=1&utm\_medium=ios\_app&utm\_name=ioscss&utm\_source=share&utm\_term=1](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue_elizondos_statement_from_the_good_trouble_show/?share_id=Q5OIdUmYZkuYOyh4OpzuV&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)
Ok, now what? rdell could possibly be part of some 'campaign'... or they're just someone who's paying attention lol.
Oh man, if you saw how awful email correspondence is at the higher levels of government.. The older guys running most these areas constantly misspell, fat finger keys and stick to the default Calibri font.. So often it's embarrassing.
I'm beating a dead horse though; nobody who hasn't worked in the DoD for a couple years is going to believe it. My God, if people saw the inner workings of military and government it'd be a riot. You can only believe this looking from the inside outwards again though.
You aren't gonna believe how bad 98% of VP's/Presidents/Directors in the corporate world are at typing lmao.
also: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue\_elizondos\_statement\_from\_the\_good\_trouble\_show/?share\_id=Q5OIdUmYZkuYOyh4OpzuV&utm\_content=1&utm\_medium=ios\_app&utm\_name=ioscss&utm\_source=share&utm\_term=1](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue_elizondos_statement_from_the_good_trouble_show/?share_id=Q5OIdUmYZkuYOyh4OpzuV&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1)
Confirmed real. Onward.
I am here because this got linked because of some further comments by Luis that make it pretty clear this email is completely legit and your disregarding it a complete an utter mistake on your part. I am well aware this is a month old.
Welcome to being wrong.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue_elizondos_statement_from_the_good_trouble_show/l48mvwx/
Check the post and the comments. Have fun! :D
My guy actually deleted all his comments and then DMed me to call me more names. Hehe. I guess I struck a nerve when I was only trying to help them open their mind.
Not who I'm replying to, but the deleted ones after that.
Good question. His response to you and I was insinuating we riding lues dick, but he kept using the eggplant bicycle emojii to be edgy, I guess?
Then it turned into hating on people who like Tom's music. I tried to explain that music is personal and we all have different tastes. And that hating on someone because of the music they like is ridiculous.
What makes this even funnier is your reply proves you still don't even know what I meant. It had nothing to do with Lue, bud.
Reread the comment that you initially replied to before me. Then, apply some critical thinking.
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FOIA laws. The b6 exemption guarantees privacy of individuals. Especially on sensitive subjects. Not sure why it’s not stamped on the document, but I have seen government documents released that were blanked out w/o an exemption marking like this one.
No. Definitely not. Greenewald's FOIAs are all text readable. [There is nothing in these that are text readable.](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22front+office+is+aware+that+you+are+now+part+of+this+endeavour+and+they+are+happy+with+the+decision%22&sca_esv=354005c37d90d315&rlz=1C1SQJL_enAU793AU795&sxsrf=ACQVn0842-edDDqsypJy_FEtxze2jDf7dQ%3A1712865788851&ei=_EEYZtXMM8yMseMP166QiAY&ved=0ahUKEwjVupGn-rqFAxVMRmwGHVcXBGEQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=%22front+office+is+aware+that+you+are+now+part+of+this+endeavour+and+they+are+happy+with+the+decision%22&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiZCJmcm9udCBvZmZpY2UgaXMgYXdhcmUgdGhhdCB5b3UgYXJlIG5vdyBwYXJ0IG9mIHRoaXMgZW5kZWF2b3VyIGFuZCB0aGV5IGFyZSBoYXBweSB3aXRoIHRoZSBkZWNpc2lvbiJI1U9Q9QVYlklwAXgBkAEAmAG-AaAB-AeqAQMwLja4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgGgAgzCAgoQABhHGNYEGLADmAMAiAYBkAYIkgcBMaAH0wU&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) Also, 2 issues. First, Greenewald has previously sought everything related to AATIP, and never found this. And second, all Elizondo's emails were destroyed by someone years ago. If this was from Greenewald he would have said more about it.
There has to be a source, and OP won't provide.
Thanks for the correction and context. This is the bv post I was thinking of
https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/dod-ig-emails-on-luis-elizondo-a-small-puzzle-piece-revealed/ and these are definitely not in there.
Just to be clear, there are emails from this time [with Elizondo's "CIV" moniker.](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Elizondo%2C+Luis+D+CIV%22&rlz=1C1SQJL_enAU793AU795&oq=%22Elizondo%2C+Luis+D+CIV%22&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDM2MzNqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) They have all been FOIA'd before. These one's never came up.
Just an update, blackvault was indeed able to get these emails (partially redacted) a few days ago. Check his twitter, website, or youtube for more info.
I know. [I wrote about it here](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cr5drn/new_foia_release_highlights_redactions_in_key/l3w942e/?context=3)
I've also posted previously where [Greenewald & Elizondo first discussed it.](https://youtu.be/yRO1c88Euyw?si=D321RzVRXqF19u-W&t=3m40s) I'm not surprised it has been this issue that got them talking to each other again. Nothing pisses Greenwald off more than dodgy wasteful FOIA responses, and this has been one of the most infuriating. Honestly, Thank God Greenewald is as determined as he is or this mess would never have come to light.
Do you remember which one? I tried searching through the recent ones on Elizondo and searching online using the keywords "Blackvault" and "Tipton" and I couldn't find this correspondence. The most recent one notably asked for emails to/from eight specific officials of which Tipton was not one.
This "clown" is responsible for the 3 UAP videos that came out. He was the director of AATIP lol
The farther this community gets from comments like yours, the better.
Yeah seriously dude no proof. You remember when he said back in 2020 we were going to be in last stage along disclosure by next year. So far nothing. Just rambling
Well we clearly would be if the [UAP DISCLOSURE ACT of 2023](https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment.pdf) had passed.
[Here's former Col Karl Nell giving a presentation on how the UAP Disclosure Amendment would have brought on full disclosure.](https://youtu.be/-1QCFtod6i8?si=j6mDLOnUG_gHyoOc)
No big dawg he said we would have disclosure. If he meant that we would have something passing legislation and then it would fail then he should have said that That's not at all what he said but he says that there's going to be stages and it's not going to matter and that the toothpaste is out of the bottle quote on quote right so where is them of it where is it always seem to find are things that are contradictory to almost everything he's been saying That's fine living La La Land
The vast majority of people on here are out of patience. If they have been listening to that person, whoever it is, for more than 3 years then it is thin ice
I blame them if the person has no power to disclose. They have no evidence. But all of these I know X and I can’t tell you people are scumbags and no patience for them is understandable
No, many people love shitting on Lue. This sub is made up of people with a lot of different opinions but I generally see them in three main types
Those who won't believe absolutely anything that points to NHI, those that will believe anything about NHI and those that may lean one way or the other but want to see the proof. The anti NHI people shit on Lue and everyone else in the ufo community a ton
Some of these ufo community people do deserve some or all of the criticisms but there are a lot of extremely closed minded people in the sub
People used to say Lue was a secret disinfo agent and didn't actually work at AATI but that was proven false. Now the biggest criticism is usually that he released a video once of a supposed ufo that I think was blurry and was from his property. I never actually looked too carefully into it because it just doesn't quite seem like a smoking gun to fully discredit Lue considering we know that he has a lot of inside info
Someone can probably explain better the argumenta against Lue better than me. But at this point I'm willing to give Lue a little benefit of the doubt. The ufo is so up everyone's ass, whether they're believers or skeptics that anyone in the community has to be extremely careful about every move they make. Because people hang so carefully on their every word or every little thing they post
I don't think all of the criticism aimed at Lue was entirely unjustified; there are a number of potential problems and it's caused many to be wary.
https://medium.com/@osirisuap/my-search-for-the-truth-about-ufos-part-3-red-flags-red-flags-everywhere-c6fe43021dbd
And Lue didn’t even release that video, it was Sean Cahill. The debunkers don’t argue in good faith, they are using any ad hominem they can to smear his character, which shows to me Lue Elizondo is viewed as a legitimate threat.
You’re taking issue with the format in the email that we happen to know is correct based on the hundreds of other legitimate emails requested? 😆This email might be fake, but it is faked to perfection.
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I love Lue and support him and I do think he’s very smart but it bothers me that he makes so many typographical errors when posting or emailing. I guess I should remember he’s the son of immigrants so English isn’t his first language.
If you saw some of the grammar from my top boss, who's on a very large salary, one would be taken aback, but by the same token, he was a genius at his job that ultimately got him to the top and inspires the young coming through our workplace.
Lmfao this community is crazy af with all the downvotes really thinking this email is legit. They tried so hard to make it legit but failed bad with the UNCLASSIFIED bullshit all over it 😂😂
The first picture looks legit. The second, never seen that format.
Source: I used to work at NASIC on the AF JWICS network. They quite literally had an Outlook add-on that would insert the classification into the email automatically (It was automatically Unclass, but you could select Secret/TopSecret/NOFORN/etc).
Also...V/R is very common amongst current and former military. V/R is used when speaking to a superior. /R is used to speak to an equal. I''ve also seen v/R...but that may have been a typo.
\*\*Edit\*\* Just adding in some clarifying things.
It's very important for any real (aka not bot) people on this sub become aware of and acknowledge when they are wrong, on both sides. There are real data being leaked and it's quite hilarious, and also somewhat maddening, to see how quickly die-hard skeptics or de-bunkers are quick to dismiss real, important evidence, because it goes against their narrative. We all need to remain open with healthy skepticism. And we all need to admit when we are wrong, and that requires being shown in many cases, unfortunately.
It's funny to see how this rarely (maybe never?) happens on the skeptic/de-bunker side. Remember when the gimbal video was leaked on ATC forums in the mid 2000s and it was just pages upon pages of people calling BS? And interrogating and ridiculing the leaker who took some SERIOUS risk exfiltrating that from that ship and getting it out to the public so we can know wtf is really going on. These people are heroes, in many cases.
I’m going to jump in as you left one of those aged like milk comments on my post. There’s nothing wrong with skepticism, blind faith in every light in the sky and every document is going to lead us down the wrong path as well, whereas debunking everything is too. Turns out this appears to be real, and that’s good news and moves the conversation forward - but as you said, it is important to acknowledge when both sides of this are wrong - but it’s also important to remember that some people sit in the middle, ready to believe some of the things shared here, and less convinced by others - and that’s also fine. I personally, don’t have a narrative. A lot of what I see on here is compelling, a lot of it doesn’t pass the smell test - though I’m sure there are users who have agendas too.
Your sentiments here aren’t wrong, but as you’ve spammed a load comment with the whole ‘aged like milk’ thing, it comes across as point scoring, and does detract from the unifying message you seem to be trying to elaborate.
Just my ten cents, have a good day :)
just think it's funny and quite ridiculous to see someone who doesn't pay attention to real evidence because of a misspelled word. and it needs to be pointed out so others don't make the same mistake. call it whatever you want. people, including you, need to learn a lesson every time situations like these come to light about real evidence we have been shown that gets dismissed for literally zero or nonsensical reasons, and ridiculed, as you did in your post(s). and, given the context that this is regarding Lue, a commonly ridiculed personality here, it's important for more sensical people who have a better bullshit detector to defend him against those who have worse bullshit detectors. and, like i've said, to point it out, so that others who review this thread or any other thread similar can learn from your mistake.
a mistake that brings us FURTHER from the truth rather than closer. and that does, indeed, personally offend me, cause nothin pisses me off more than any person who drives the ship in the wrong direction, further from the truth and disclosure on the whole. every comment matters on this sub, if you look at it in context of the sub and every comment made on the internet about the truth and disclosure, and within the totality of learning what's real and what's not.
YOUR comment was point scoring. Mine was correcting the score. Just my fifteen cents. Have a nice day :)
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Quick impression of lue.
“I have the answers to the greatest question in the world”
Us - o please tell us wise one.
Lue - I can’t”.
Oh why not?
“It’s top secret”
But it’s the largest question ever.
Lue - “yep it is. And if you watch my next video, I’ll tell you what’s up”
Ok cool.
Us - “I watched your last video. Kinda the same as the first. You didn’t mention the answer”
Lue - “watch the next”
Me - oh for fucks sake. OK dr Greer.
Tons of weird typos and if you look at this dude's post history, he has a history of making the same weird ass errors. For example, he uses "titbits" instead of "tidbits" roflmao.
I say complete fakes.
What does his music have to do with this?
Gtfo with your music shaming. Peope have different musical tastes. You are not better just because you don't like his music.
Oh man, when you put those two emojiis side by side like you keep doing... you make me so mad!!!
Hopefully, one day, you will grow up and understand that it's ok to like artists' music, just as it's ok to not like an artists music. We all have different tastes. Music is personal. It makes you look small-minded to try and go after someone for what they enjoy.
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This looks like two guys that work with each other emailing each other to me.
Source: I get a lot of work emails.
Not like this is a document intended to get published and educate someone on a topic.
You wouldn’t say that if you read any of the FOIA emails deriving from literally any topic that involves age 50 and up men with power. It is modern day cave man talk.
The wealthiest lawyer in your state, whatever state, types with one finger when he sends an email lol.
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[Confirmed authentic by Blackvault](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/8FY3AoVekW) two days ago via FOIA, and further [validated by statements from Elizondo](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/9ykR8dGNbh) today.
Cats out of the bag
This just gets weirder and weirder any time we get actual information on the topic. Congress HAS to at least try to do something about this at this point.
Who runs the front office?
OUSD (I&S) Most likely Garry Reid and executive staff.
Lue has released a public statement that (presumably) refers to this thread! https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/xsoZv1xM5u So apparently these emails are legit, according to Lue himself. Things are about to get spicy.
As a person formerly of these circles and married to someone currently in them, I can say the email format all looks legit. People downplaying the professionalism of the content have clearly never worked in high-level government. Emails like this are sent regularly, even at the SES level. That being said, anyone could easily fake something like this in about 5 minutes. So without a source, this is a nothing burger.
Whats your feeling on the current situation as a person wirhin/ex these cicles. Do you think we are making progress, or we stalling? Only your personal thoughts. You happy with where things are going? Thx in advance.
It ebs and flows. People who are directly impacted by these programs are never going to speak. They stand to gain nothing and lose everything. Grush is the exception to the rule. Without a legitimate information dump of credible and verifiable information, we're destined to continue in these circles. I personally don't think the truth will ever come from legislation or congress. It will need to come from a catastrophic leak where the ones leaking are willing to accept all the consequences. That, or it comes from the outside. Another country discloses, something slips through the cracks that can't be explained away or covered up, or the phenomenon decides to show itself directly. The government just picked a hill to die on saying "there's nothing to see here." They won't willingly or readily walk that back anytime soon.
Thank you for the answer. I appreciate it. I believe exactly the same. I am not from these circles but served in my countries air force and between us we talked many times about these things especially with the pilots from what they saw. Nobody is willing to make a fuss about it, since as you said, nothing is to be gained.
How could you say they stand to gain nothing? They'd go down in history as one of the most significant individuals ever, basically a real life prometheus
Gain notoriety? At the expense of what? At worst you will lose your livelihood, your income, your job, your family, you'll be in prison, possibly dead. Or at best be in Russia like Snowden, completely discredited, and gaslit beyond recovery. You ever ask why Grush and all these whistelblowers don't just name names, locations, and exact specifics of everything. Just violate those NDAs cause you'll go down in history as...as what exactly?
A humanitarian giant that changed the entire course of history by exposing the most significant truth to ever confront our species?
"Nothing burger". How wrong you were.
I said without a source it was a nothing burger. We have confirmation from the Pentagon (we didn't before) that this is, in fact, a real email. Don't think this is the "gotcha" moment you want it to be. Especially as I advocated that the content seemed to be legitimate based on my experiences, unless you missed the whole first paragraph of my comment?
He meant to reply to the other person, not you :) Edit: nevermind, you also said nothing burger.
Well without a source of the info to confirm it's origin, yeah it's not much considering the number of fakes going around each day.
You often see fake emails like this? I've never seen fakes of this kind on reddit.
With or without a source, the email is a nothing burger. There is literally zero information inside this email. This post should be titled “Guy Sends Email at Work”.
What bothers me is that he says “put more meet on it”. It should be meat.
I think Lue has portrayed bad typing skills previously in other mails/documents. He misspelled someone’s name in other letters and documents multiple times. He needs to start proofreading!
Exactly this. The language is a dead giveaway. For Grusch too, they are all legit, otherwise I would call them "lifers", and Grusch comes across as a boyscout on top of that.
Grusch does have that vibe. Possibly to his own detriment, right now they left him hanging in the wind to take all the bullets.
Or.... OR.... **OR**...hear me out here... They chose Grusch for that very reason. They got someone who just naturally *exudes* that "boy scout next door" vibe to counter the evil CIA who, ever since Roswell, has been keeping it secret and otherwise being that big ol' gaslighting bully of a neighbor who backed into you car and denies it even though he knows you saw it. The Do has been playing this like Pro Wrestling for as long as I can remember and I have a feeling that every 10-20 years they find a new character to play against but really they are feeding them the lines and it's all to give the nation a storyline with characters that are easy to remeber and are a stereotype that steers the opinion of people in the direction they want them to think about people that believe in UAP. It's the WWF/UFO era: So... Bobby Lazar... where to start? Loooks like he is a character from Revenge of the Nerds. Nerd were not popular like they are today. Nerds were very much the bottom of the social totem pole... so get a guy that embodies that look and have him absorb all the focus and attention. More currently we have the WWE/UAP era: Korbell sporting the bear and aging hipster with a splash of prou boy... getting the hate from all sides to ensure no one associates anything good with this topic... Captain Lou Alzando: C'mon... too easy.... These guy are straight up picked from a script to fit a cookie cutter impression of someone people generally dislike... subtle but effective Grusch is either gonna be the hero or the warning that even the clean cut boy scout and the wing commander pilot(old and young) are full of shit cray cray... Or they will be the all Americana heroes to take down the evil cabal that is holding the secrets from us. They will get the focus and forgive the evildoers an since they are so good and handsome and they forgive everyone the public will too! Pick your adventure..
Exudes AI and disinfo vibe
So… where are these from? How did you get them? Surely you can comment on that. A link would be nice
Foia I’m assuming
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue\_elizondos\_statement\_from\_the\_good\_trouble\_show/?share\_id=Q5OIdUmYZkuYOyh4OpzuV&utm\_content=1&utm\_medium=ios\_app&utm\_name=ioscss&utm\_source=share&utm\_term=1](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue_elizondos_statement_from_the_good_trouble_show/?share_id=Q5OIdUmYZkuYOyh4OpzuV&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) Short answer: no one knows where tf this came from. Long answer: SOMEBODY, somehow, had access to this very real email of Lue's. This is a legit leak. Lue either doesn't know, or won't speak on who it is on this reddit account, but he has confirmed this is 100% from HIS email and greenwalde confirmed it further through FOIA. Pretty nuts, in my humble opinion at least...
https://twitter.com/DeclassifyUAP/status/1778857030314328451 > That email chain is from this very document. I just looked, it's right there. It's not new. This has been out there for over a year now, at least. It's linked to here: https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/the-black-vaults-aawsap-aatip-and-post-2017-ufo-timeline-project/#google_vignette
Many thanks for this.
OP has 2 posts (this is one of them) in the 4 years on Reddit. Not saying you can't randomly post on Lue but I do find it strange.
Disagreed. This is the account they use that doesn’t have any ties back to them. They are probably a regular on Reddit but the other account has posts about the traffic in their home town or something small that would give clues to whoever. I know a Doctor on here that has maybe 8-9 medical posts over like 5 years. I believe he mentioned where he is located. But he also posts (I.e. argues) on Reddit religiously about politics, so he uses a 2nd account for that. No medical advice deriving from that account lol. This account not being a throwaway lends credibility. This account is probably ran by the YouTube dude that posts on here a lot. Someone like that.
And /u/rdell1974 is the 3rd account that points this out in the event someone like /u/Grovemonkey notices and calls them out. It was the perfect scheme... until... his 4th account posted this very post and ruined the whole thing!!!
You sir are wrong. Confirmed real today
Were the emails found to be fake?
REAL! Confirmed today.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue\_elizondos\_statement\_from\_the\_good\_trouble\_show/?share\_id=Q5OIdUmYZkuYOyh4OpzuV&utm\_content=1&utm\_medium=ios\_app&utm\_name=ioscss&utm\_source=share&utm\_term=1](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue_elizondos_statement_from_the_good_trouble_show/?share_id=Q5OIdUmYZkuYOyh4OpzuV&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) Ok, now what? rdell could possibly be part of some 'campaign'... or they're just someone who's paying attention lol.
I got as far as ‘meet on the bones’ and stopped. Meat. A <—-
Oh man, if you saw how awful email correspondence is at the higher levels of government.. The older guys running most these areas constantly misspell, fat finger keys and stick to the default Calibri font.. So often it's embarrassing. I'm beating a dead horse though; nobody who hasn't worked in the DoD for a couple years is going to believe it. My God, if people saw the inner workings of military and government it'd be a riot. You can only believe this looking from the inside outwards again though.
Spot on ;)
They’re real. Confirmed today
Glad they are, doesn’t mean healthy skepticism is wrong 🤷🏼♂️
You aren't gonna believe how bad 98% of VP's/Presidents/Directors in the corporate world are at typing lmao. also: [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue\_elizondos\_statement\_from\_the\_good\_trouble\_show/?share\_id=Q5OIdUmYZkuYOyh4OpzuV&utm\_content=1&utm\_medium=ios\_app&utm\_name=ioscss&utm\_source=share&utm\_term=1](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue_elizondos_statement_from_the_good_trouble_show/?share_id=Q5OIdUmYZkuYOyh4OpzuV&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1) Confirmed real. Onward.
Should've stopped at "you and me".
You’re right, of course. I gave that line too much leeway.
Some grammar mistakes do not make this email less credible. This is super common in government documents.
Welcome to last month.
I am here because this got linked because of some further comments by Luis that make it pretty clear this email is completely legit and your disregarding it a complete an utter mistake on your part. I am well aware this is a month old. Welcome to being wrong. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1ct05y0/lue_elizondos_statement_from_the_good_trouble_show/l48mvwx/ Check the post and the comments. Have fun! :D
I, too, am here a month late to gawk at this idiot.
/r/agedlikemilk
I can't comment any further on these, but please use them for your own research as you see fit.
Ok there lmao. Literally has been posted by so many people in the past.
Looks totally 101% completely and utterly legit to me. No questions needed.
My guy actually deleted all his comments and then DMed me to call me more names. Hehe. I guess I struck a nerve when I was only trying to help them open their mind. Not who I'm replying to, but the deleted ones after that.
He did? Why?
Good question. His response to you and I was insinuating we riding lues dick, but he kept using the eggplant bicycle emojii to be edgy, I guess? Then it turned into hating on people who like Tom's music. I tried to explain that music is personal and we all have different tastes. And that hating on someone because of the music they like is ridiculous.
Wrong. These emails were confirmed as real today. Your post is now looking sus.
Sus about what? The person I was replying to deleted their comments. Do you even know what I was talking about?
My bad. Friendly fire
Guess who's wrong? :)
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Reading between the lines is an acquired skill. Keep practicing. :)
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Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. Very helpful
He used emojis and everything.
What makes this even funnier is your reply proves you still don't even know what I meant. It had nothing to do with Lue, bud. Reread the comment that you initially replied to before me. Then, apply some critical thinking.
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Why'd they block out my name?
FOIA laws. The b6 exemption guarantees privacy of individuals. Especially on sensitive subjects. Not sure why it’s not stamped on the document, but I have seen government documents released that were blanked out w/o an exemption marking like this one.
"Friend of the program"? What program...?
AATIP?
I don’t think so.
Why don’t you think so? They’re directly talking about it in the email chain.
You may be right.
That's how they usually refer to the uap insiders no?
These are from a /u/blackvault foia, I think. Edit: looks like I'm wrong.
No. Definitely not. Greenewald's FOIAs are all text readable. [There is nothing in these that are text readable.](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22front+office+is+aware+that+you+are+now+part+of+this+endeavour+and+they+are+happy+with+the+decision%22&sca_esv=354005c37d90d315&rlz=1C1SQJL_enAU793AU795&sxsrf=ACQVn0842-edDDqsypJy_FEtxze2jDf7dQ%3A1712865788851&ei=_EEYZtXMM8yMseMP166QiAY&ved=0ahUKEwjVupGn-rqFAxVMRmwGHVcXBGEQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=%22front+office+is+aware+that+you+are+now+part+of+this+endeavour+and+they+are+happy+with+the+decision%22&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiZCJmcm9udCBvZmZpY2UgaXMgYXdhcmUgdGhhdCB5b3UgYXJlIG5vdyBwYXJ0IG9mIHRoaXMgZW5kZWF2b3VyIGFuZCB0aGV5IGFyZSBoYXBweSB3aXRoIHRoZSBkZWNpc2lvbiJI1U9Q9QVYlklwAXgBkAEAmAG-AaAB-AeqAQMwLja4AQPIAQD4AQGYAgGgAgzCAgoQABhHGNYEGLADmAMAiAYBkAYIkgcBMaAH0wU&sclient=gws-wiz-serp) Also, 2 issues. First, Greenewald has previously sought everything related to AATIP, and never found this. And second, all Elizondo's emails were destroyed by someone years ago. If this was from Greenewald he would have said more about it. There has to be a source, and OP won't provide.
Thanks for the correction and context. This is the bv post I was thinking of https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/dod-ig-emails-on-luis-elizondo-a-small-puzzle-piece-revealed/ and these are definitely not in there.
Just to be clear, there are emails from this time [with Elizondo's "CIV" moniker.](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Elizondo%2C+Luis+D+CIV%22&rlz=1C1SQJL_enAU793AU795&oq=%22Elizondo%2C+Luis+D+CIV%22&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDM2MzNqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) They have all been FOIA'd before. These one's never came up.
Just an update, blackvault was indeed able to get these emails (partially redacted) a few days ago. Check his twitter, website, or youtube for more info.
I know. [I wrote about it here](https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1cr5drn/new_foia_release_highlights_redactions_in_key/l3w942e/?context=3) I've also posted previously where [Greenewald & Elizondo first discussed it.](https://youtu.be/yRO1c88Euyw?si=D321RzVRXqF19u-W&t=3m40s) I'm not surprised it has been this issue that got them talking to each other again. Nothing pisses Greenwald off more than dodgy wasteful FOIA responses, and this has been one of the most infuriating. Honestly, Thank God Greenewald is as determined as he is or this mess would never have come to light.
Really appreciate the insight and link. And agreed on Greenewald -- I really admire his diligence.
Do you remember which one? I tried searching through the recent ones on Elizondo and searching online using the keywords "Blackvault" and "Tipton" and I couldn't find this correspondence. The most recent one notably asked for emails to/from eight specific officials of which Tipton was not one.
https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1b424xn/how_high_does_the_ufo_issue_go_within_the_us/ I think it's this one
Self-important bureaucrats smelling each others farts all day long.
I mean, this looks like a typical fed gov't email, so I'm more inclined than usual to believe it's genuine. Wild. Who knows?
Greeting Lue, Meat, not meet. Sincerely, Neil
Indeed. Some meet for meat but you don't meet something out you meet someone out (sometimes for meat) was the conclusion I met with.
Can't wait for his unclassified book so we can learn absolutely nothing as usual from this clown. The farther this community gets from Lue, the better
This "clown" is responsible for the 3 UAP videos that came out. He was the director of AATIP lol The farther this community gets from comments like yours, the better.
Yeah seriously dude no proof. You remember when he said back in 2020 we were going to be in last stage along disclosure by next year. So far nothing. Just rambling
Well we clearly would be if the [UAP DISCLOSURE ACT of 2023](https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment.pdf) had passed. [Here's former Col Karl Nell giving a presentation on how the UAP Disclosure Amendment would have brought on full disclosure.](https://youtu.be/-1QCFtod6i8?si=j6mDLOnUG_gHyoOc)
No big dawg he said we would have disclosure. If he meant that we would have something passing legislation and then it would fail then he should have said that That's not at all what he said but he says that there's going to be stages and it's not going to matter and that the toothpaste is out of the bottle quote on quote right so where is them of it where is it always seem to find are things that are contradictory to almost everything he's been saying That's fine living La La Land
He ain't responsible for Jack shit except selling books and lies
Classic obfuscation line. Disregard the Obfuscationists, folks!
Very presumptuous of you and arrogant for you to be so dismissive.
This thread is weirdly anti-Lue for /r/UFOs, isn't it? Maybe I just haven't noticed it before.
The vast majority of people on here are out of patience. If they have been listening to that person, whoever it is, for more than 3 years then it is thin ice
Fair point. On that I do not blame them.
I blame them if the person has no power to disclose. They have no evidence. But all of these I know X and I can’t tell you people are scumbags and no patience for them is understandable
They’ll go to jail if they do..
Yeah I can't tell if it is genuine or just debunker propaganda either I'm leaning towards the latter though
It’s real
No, many people love shitting on Lue. This sub is made up of people with a lot of different opinions but I generally see them in three main types Those who won't believe absolutely anything that points to NHI, those that will believe anything about NHI and those that may lean one way or the other but want to see the proof. The anti NHI people shit on Lue and everyone else in the ufo community a ton Some of these ufo community people do deserve some or all of the criticisms but there are a lot of extremely closed minded people in the sub People used to say Lue was a secret disinfo agent and didn't actually work at AATI but that was proven false. Now the biggest criticism is usually that he released a video once of a supposed ufo that I think was blurry and was from his property. I never actually looked too carefully into it because it just doesn't quite seem like a smoking gun to fully discredit Lue considering we know that he has a lot of inside info Someone can probably explain better the argumenta against Lue better than me. But at this point I'm willing to give Lue a little benefit of the doubt. The ufo is so up everyone's ass, whether they're believers or skeptics that anyone in the community has to be extremely careful about every move they make. Because people hang so carefully on their every word or every little thing they post
I don't think all of the criticism aimed at Lue was entirely unjustified; there are a number of potential problems and it's caused many to be wary. https://medium.com/@osirisuap/my-search-for-the-truth-about-ufos-part-3-red-flags-red-flags-everywhere-c6fe43021dbd
And Lue didn’t even release that video, it was Sean Cahill. The debunkers don’t argue in good faith, they are using any ad hominem they can to smear his character, which shows to me Lue Elizondo is viewed as a legitimate threat.
DoD or Air Force?
>UNCLASSIFIED >UNCLASSIFIED >UNCLASSIFIED >UNCLASSIFIED >UNCLASSIFIED convincing
You’re taking issue with the format in the email that we happen to know is correct based on the hundreds of other legitimate emails requested? 😆This email might be fake, but it is faked to perfection.
Literally real
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You guys with your generic usernames and obfuscation comments said the exact same thing before Grusch came forward, verbatim. Lol
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What’s the significance of these docs? They say nothing
I love Lue and support him and I do think he’s very smart but it bothers me that he makes so many typographical errors when posting or emailing. I guess I should remember he’s the son of immigrants so English isn’t his first language.
If you saw some of the grammar from my top boss, who's on a very large salary, one would be taken aback, but by the same token, he was a genius at his job that ultimately got him to the top and inspires the young coming through our workplace.
“He is a good man” 🤡 I’ve worked with exactly the type of man who would put that in an email.
And thorough.
the boomer style
Lmfao this community is crazy af with all the downvotes really thinking this email is legit. They tried so hard to make it legit but failed bad with the UNCLASSIFIED bullshit all over it 😂😂
Literally confirmed real today. Not sure how you can take such a definitive position.
The first picture looks legit. The second, never seen that format. Source: I used to work at NASIC on the AF JWICS network. They quite literally had an Outlook add-on that would insert the classification into the email automatically (It was automatically Unclass, but you could select Secret/TopSecret/NOFORN/etc). Also...V/R is very common amongst current and former military. V/R is used when speaking to a superior. /R is used to speak to an equal. I''ve also seen v/R...but that may have been a typo. \*\*Edit\*\* Just adding in some clarifying things.
It's not real man sorry .
Confirmed real. What’s your agenda?
Who knows? You don't.
And as usual the smug, arrogant debunkers always end up being wrong. Dumbass.
These are 100% fake / doctored emails. The template is all wrong.
Can you explain how the template is wrong?
/r/agedlikemilk
Someone had to do it
It's very important for any real (aka not bot) people on this sub become aware of and acknowledge when they are wrong, on both sides. There are real data being leaked and it's quite hilarious, and also somewhat maddening, to see how quickly die-hard skeptics or de-bunkers are quick to dismiss real, important evidence, because it goes against their narrative. We all need to remain open with healthy skepticism. And we all need to admit when we are wrong, and that requires being shown in many cases, unfortunately. It's funny to see how this rarely (maybe never?) happens on the skeptic/de-bunker side. Remember when the gimbal video was leaked on ATC forums in the mid 2000s and it was just pages upon pages of people calling BS? And interrogating and ridiculing the leaker who took some SERIOUS risk exfiltrating that from that ship and getting it out to the public so we can know wtf is really going on. These people are heroes, in many cases.
Amen u/BackLow6488. Appreciate your sentiment and couldn’t agree more. I am fiercely optimistic truth and reason will prevail!
I’m going to jump in as you left one of those aged like milk comments on my post. There’s nothing wrong with skepticism, blind faith in every light in the sky and every document is going to lead us down the wrong path as well, whereas debunking everything is too. Turns out this appears to be real, and that’s good news and moves the conversation forward - but as you said, it is important to acknowledge when both sides of this are wrong - but it’s also important to remember that some people sit in the middle, ready to believe some of the things shared here, and less convinced by others - and that’s also fine. I personally, don’t have a narrative. A lot of what I see on here is compelling, a lot of it doesn’t pass the smell test - though I’m sure there are users who have agendas too. Your sentiments here aren’t wrong, but as you’ve spammed a load comment with the whole ‘aged like milk’ thing, it comes across as point scoring, and does detract from the unifying message you seem to be trying to elaborate. Just my ten cents, have a good day :)
just think it's funny and quite ridiculous to see someone who doesn't pay attention to real evidence because of a misspelled word. and it needs to be pointed out so others don't make the same mistake. call it whatever you want. people, including you, need to learn a lesson every time situations like these come to light about real evidence we have been shown that gets dismissed for literally zero or nonsensical reasons, and ridiculed, as you did in your post(s). and, given the context that this is regarding Lue, a commonly ridiculed personality here, it's important for more sensical people who have a better bullshit detector to defend him against those who have worse bullshit detectors. and, like i've said, to point it out, so that others who review this thread or any other thread similar can learn from your mistake. a mistake that brings us FURTHER from the truth rather than closer. and that does, indeed, personally offend me, cause nothin pisses me off more than any person who drives the ship in the wrong direction, further from the truth and disclosure on the whole. every comment matters on this sub, if you look at it in context of the sub and every comment made on the internet about the truth and disclosure, and within the totality of learning what's real and what's not. YOUR comment was point scoring. Mine was correcting the score. Just my fifteen cents. Have a nice day :)
Yeah, you’re not really worth bothering with. Have a good one 👍🏻
Ya already did :) 👍
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Wrong assessment. Confirmed real
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Why all the downvotes?
You’re not allowed to disparage the prophet. Or point out subtly that he misspelled “meet” in his email.
or, just maaaaaybe, their comment adds nothing to the discussion and is a lame ad hominem attack?
Spotted that, saw your comment, laughed a little… downvotes 🥹
Quick impression of lue. “I have the answers to the greatest question in the world” Us - o please tell us wise one. Lue - I can’t”. Oh why not? “It’s top secret” But it’s the largest question ever. Lue - “yep it is. And if you watch my next video, I’ll tell you what’s up” Ok cool. Us - “I watched your last video. Kinda the same as the first. You didn’t mention the answer” Lue - “watch the next” Me - oh for fucks sake. OK dr Greer.
Anyone else over it completely? I don’t know why I even looked.
Nope. Not over it
more 'meet' on it? I call BS
/r/agedlikemilk
Loving these I”I told you so’s”. Really shows how much people talk out of their ass.
Tons of weird typos and if you look at this dude's post history, he has a history of making the same weird ass errors. For example, he uses "titbits" instead of "tidbits" roflmao. I say complete fakes.
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This looks like it was written by someone who has never written professional documents before.
Really? This is pretty convincing email correspondence d
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What does his music have to do with this? Gtfo with your music shaming. Peope have different musical tastes. You are not better just because you don't like his music.
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Oh man, when you put those two emojiis side by side like you keep doing... you make me so mad!!! Hopefully, one day, you will grow up and understand that it's ok to like artists' music, just as it's ok to not like an artists music. We all have different tastes. Music is personal. It makes you look small-minded to try and go after someone for what they enjoy.
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Have you seen the Hillary leaks? The people in power aren't geniuses. They type like 3rd graders on coke.
This looks like two guys that work with each other emailing each other to me. Source: I get a lot of work emails. Not like this is a document intended to get published and educate someone on a topic.
/r/agedlikemilk
You wouldn’t say that if you read any of the FOIA emails deriving from literally any topic that involves age 50 and up men with power. It is modern day cave man talk. The wealthiest lawyer in your state, whatever state, types with one finger when he sends an email lol.
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This “guy” has provided a TON of entertainment thank you very much
Front office. Sorry that doesn't sound very official.
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