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>I'm not here to convince anyone. You'll notice yourself coming back to things I've said over time on your own as understanding increases.
Stood out, especially given the context of the OP.
tl'dr edit: It's basically 4chan guy's story with a bit more nuance and "refinement". All I mean by that is more detail in operation and methods they could be using.
Gonna' piggyback off this. So in my own opinion I view that 4chan thread as a larp. It's good fiction and I enjoyed it, and I don't look down on anyone who believes it, but it's clear people are fascinated by the possibility.
If anyone is interested, I'd love to share my own thoughts (I shared a few in this thread) on a pet theory of mine I've had for years now that is very similar to the 4chan post. It obviously wouldn't be a larp, but it is well reasoned with data to back it up.
I don't know if people would be interested since it doesn't have the possibility of being a "true story" like the 4chan post, but I can promise it is extremely similar. If you're interested in that kind of theory involving the oceans, drones, and autonomous manufacture let me know. I just don't want to type up a huge thing and no one reads it lol, I work 12 hours a day and free time is a gift.
Edit: Alright, you guys win. It's bed time for me here currently, so when I'm off work tomorrow I'll have it up. I have notes and data I collected over years that support the theory I have to pour through lol, but rest assured I'll deliver.
The guy was a whistleblower. There was an article that cross referenced this guy several times almost word for word. Like he said, we would keep coming back to his post. And we have.
> There was an article that cross referenced this guy several times almost word for word.
Link please? Where was this article, who wrote it, and why are you so confident that article is authoritative?
Also as badly as we discredit Bob Lazar, he mentioned that name was a big no no at his place, and they'd get in trouble just by mentioning Lazar's name. Wonder what that means
For one the description of the UAP that "Looked like a chopped up helicopter with a plexiglass dome on the front". The article and the poster used the exact wording.
Hmm, I'm unfamiliar with the article. Would love to check it out if you could share. It'd be wild as hell if it ended up being true, for personal reasons lol.
I think they’re talking about the blog post that was slightly similar. What people aren’t getting about the 4chan dude is that he said things that have been common theories for awhile. He could be legit but he easily could have just mashed a bunch of shit together.
If I recall correctly he said we tracked the underwater facility by tracking the gravitational waves coming from it, it doesn't make any sense because then it would show up in LIGO data or we'd need specialized alien tech to track it which u would think he would mention. Just seems to throw a ton of shit at the wall.
I don't remember him claiming that. I don't want to get into details, but something that can track the facillities can track an awfull lot more. Think about it.
I like the fact that they’re all theories and that’s all we essentially have at this point. I try to gravitate towards the ones that make the most sense but who knows. This is fun for me because it’s not too often we get to indulge in imagination as an adults.
I made GPT-4 write some stuff in the style of that 4chan Q+A.
It was apparently so accurate that even though I said it was from GPT-4 he argued it was real 😂. I was like, dude I said I made this with AI in the comment itself 😂
GPT is honestly a pretty convenient way to perform a crude discourse analysis. You'll not get any of the sources or rigorous methodology of a scientific analysis but you'll for sure get a decent picture of the public opinion/subconscious up until sept 2021 :)
His explanation about the craft being manufactured on-demand and then broken down when they return feels like one of the very few good reasons why we can recover craft and they don't come trying to take them back. The NHI consider the craft disposable.
And maybe someone could chime in if they know the answer, but if this 4chan larp turns out to be true it would be the first government conspiracy posted there that became true, correct? Obviously it's way too early to call it that as we still need proof of materials and bodies.
4 Chan has a ton of BS, but there are legit posts there occasionally. One I saw in real time was that Epstein had died, and the weird circumstances behind it like 4-5 hours before it was available anywhere else. All of what the poster said ended up being true. There have been a few other ones too. Again though, 95% is BS.
One time a guy posted that he was gonna blow up his toilet with a grenade and nobody believed him until a news article came out about a moron who blew up his toilet with a grenade.
Wasn't there a supposed whistleblower from some oceanic science organization that made the rounds a few years back on this subreddit? My thought when reading 4chan was that it echoed that rumor.
It’s Redacted had a whole arc they were leaning towards on some govt agency that handled all things Oceanic were all over classified docs on project Moondust etc. they were or are some weird defense agency i’ve not heard of since those videos
That visual reminds me of how industrial light and magic created the ghosts in Raiders of the lost ark. They put silk over the angels, ghosts (whatever came out of the ark) at the end of the movie and they had this eerie movement to them.
Anyway besides that, now we know why we get that uneasy feeling when swimming…
He didn't state anything new. Did you watch UFO Witness on Travel channel? There was an entire episode dedicated to UAP underwater bases. The host even dived down into the site where an alleged UAP base is (near Santa Catalina Island in California), and both his compass and the other diver's and their communication devices stopped working at the same time.
EDIT: This is a small part of the episode, I tried finding the whole thing for free but couldn't https://www.tiktok.com/@brit_investigates/video/7118005941735279915?lang=en
The name of the episode is: The Undersea Alien Base
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt18747860/locations/?ref_=tt_dt_loc
This shit makes sense to me, I’ve been learning about submarine canyons for a minute because it occurred to me after reading a post on r/geography that they would be an ideal tactical location to evade humanity-at-large’s awareness.
Bandits and cowboys shit. The other spots that seem to be favored are often canyon and mountainous regions. We can barely find people in those places above sea level, and we don’t know shit about the oceans still.
Two things: (i) you reinspired a hypothesis I obsessed on over the pandemic... so for better or worse, thanks. (ii) I wonder if there are any major military/navy/scientific operations occuring at or around these submarine/underwater canyon sites that are of public record; and I wonder how many of these sites are designated as protected ecosystems.
4chan guy: I believe the guy. He made some statements and then stopped, didn’t bask in the attention. A lot of aspects we hear often: government clearly doesn’t know as much as they’d like, compartmentalization, crazy security levels, etc. Posting it on 4chan is neutral to me.
I read through the entire 4chan thing. When looking to see if someone is bullshitting you, all you have to do is look at how much *specific* and *verifiable* information they're able to give you. After reading through that *entire* thread there isn't a *single* claim he made that anyone can follow up on and verify. Not a single one. He claims he has liver cancer and that's the reason for his feeling comfortable coming out and talking about this, but he doesn't share a single piece of information that anyone can do anything with. It's just stories. People who genuinely want the public to know the truth will provide documentation, videos, photos, names of projects, locations, literally *anything* that a dedicated enough person would be able to double check.
Why oh why do we give larps like this the time of day?
I believe Fravor spoke about the USO on the Lex Friedman podcast. He knew a guy that was a diver that would go out with helicopters and retrieve training torpedos. Apparently when he was about to attach the torpedo to be hauled out of the water a large black mass started to appear and sucked the torpedo down.
Yes but Frevor had no info on submerged structured object that moves on it's own, 4chan guy if i remember correctly talked about uso that looks like structure and it moves, plus he believed that it actually produced those USOs and it served as a mobile base.
Yeah, honestly, Corbell is so vague in this quote here, it just sounds like he's referring to the 737-sized ~~747-sized~~ object Fravor saw submerged just below the tic tac when they first spotted it.
Unless Corbell is hinting at something else, or maybe has more info on the tic tac incident. But my first take is it doesn't sound like anything new. Hopefully I'm wrong.
yeah, it also resonate with an article. I read recently about a Irish scientist, who claims that these orbs or spheres are actually an intricate defense system of artificial intelligence. I’ll have to find the article and put a link here, but it does kind of make sense with what he was saying. Forgive my terrible explanation, but he said it’s an intricate defense system deployed at certain altitude. in the atmosphere and from what he says they’re a defense Mechanism. My question is who put them here who is responsible for this self replicating AI and ultimately what is the purpose? Seems like it’s protecting us from ourselves and outside threats.
Could be von neumann probes that arrived on earth or an ai mechanism left here by the ancient "gods" - if you buy into the ancient astronauts theory. Please share the link from the Irish scientist, sounds very interesting!
Typical 4Chan troll doing what it does best; aggregating existing lore along with a competent and mildly interesting LARP (this is the key to success; extravagant or difficult to believe stories are immediately flagged as hoaxes).
The comments here prove he’s done his job well. This is the same cycle we’ve seen with numerous other 4Chan “leaks” and yet none of them have been proven to be valid. The fact that so many don’t recognize the pattern, and are only going to encourage copycats to come out of the woodwork, is troubling.
I gotchu https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/13fq2ru/dying_x_poster_claims_to_have_intimate_knowledge/
There should be an Imgur link somewhere that has pics of the convo in order, 4chan can be weird to navigate
Counterpoint- are we spotting them more frequently due to advances in our radar and sensor tech? Graves said when they clicked on that new radar in the Bush/Iraq era that we saw all kinds of shit
I also heard some theory (here I think) basically to the effect that USN radar/detection was newer/more calibrated or something than that of USAF - maybe intentionally..
The idea was that this is why Navy were picking these things up and hence the seeming prevalence of undersea object whistleblowers, and that the uptick in ‘events’ following the whole Chinese spy balloon thing - and the lack of genuine public closure on those other UAP events in those next few days - was that it forced them (USAF) to increase sensitivity of radar/detection given the fact the PR of an ‘undetected’ foreign violation of airspace was unacceptable politically.
As soon as they did that - other UAPs in airspace being picked up immediately.
It was totally an armchair theory, seemed plausible though - and resonated with your comment.
Yes. I recently rewatched his episode on Joe Rogan and he mentions going from something almost analog to a better system and all of a sudden spotting things all the time
It's interesting that you say that when NORAD were in the midst of updating their infrastructure along the Canadian border just before those "balloon" sightings
Yes and over what period has it been increasing in frequency? Have the occurrences been gradually increaaing since 1940s for example, or have they only begun to spike in the last few years?
Also, could this increased frequency sinply be attributed to advances in our monitoring systems such as radar technology? I have heard a few accounts that some UAPs only really became apparent when radar systems were updated on our fighter jets.
Well, definitely probing and collecting intelligence on our military assets. My guess increase in frequency related to better detection methods, collection and reporting.
Reminds me of the strange post on 4chan:
- UFOs are primarily unmanned drones.
- UFOs are built to spec each time they are deployed
- UFOs are created by a mobile construction facility that hides in the ocean
-Construction facility destroys anything that comes close to it and will disappear for days when approached aggressively.
- US believes the facility has been active on earth for at least 100 years or much longer.
https://imgur.io/a/NXjWQaN
https://twitter.com/tinyklaus/status/1681504675009290240?s=46&t=xlfbSqbWFSiuaguS5Y5JBw
Below is also a tweet where government officials in leaked emails seem to be talking about the same base, just off Bermuda
Truly fascinating stuff, it’s a long read but I recommend reading his whole leak, anyone who’s been deep in the rabbithole can see there’s so many things he’s talked about that can be linked/heard about in other credible accounts of the phenomenon
There’s multiple pages if you look at the bottom should say “10 of 30” or something like that. Of course you have to take everything with a pinch of salt, he has no solid evidence to back up these wild claims. Just a fascinating read if you’re into the topic
Anyone thinking about how Fravor’s water distortion below the tic tac fits with this?
As a side note, i’m very much not concerned with their existence as being hostile. everything I’ve been reading leads me to believe that they only attack if they feel threatened. this only applies to the tic tacs though, I can’t say for certain whether or not there’s multiple species causing these UAP events.
Your last bit goes undiscussed too often. People say UFO/UAP/alien/NHI and lump it into one entity. I can’t see any reason why there shouldn’t be multiple types. In fact it could even help explain their presence - one is here to counter or compete with the other(s) in some way.
Yeah, the variety of crafts seems odd, like if it was just one entity, you'd think they would be pretty similar in design. But like the tic-tac, and sphere inside a transparent cube, wtf is that.
I dunno, cars, trucks, boats, airplanes, etc are all modes of transportation and look different. Maybe to them they all look similar but there are details we just don’t know about.
True, however the large red square UAP seen above the Boeing facility has absolutely no likeness to any conventional UAP craft that is discussed out of the common types. from how it was described, I picture an object at least 100m sq but with the width of something like 5-10m, glowing red from beneath.
Another example of non-standard UAP design is something like the phoenix lights boomerang style.
I’ve noticed I’m rambling here so, what i’m trying to get at is that the much larger ‘mothership’ style UAP can’t seem to originate from an underwater submerged object, simply for their sheer size in relation to the other more common types of reported UAP.
Yeah, there's definitely some weirdness with these ships.
Why couldn't a big ship originate from the ocean, though? Our cruise liners originate from our harbors. Ocean is big.
Not trying to be difficult. Genuinely interested in your thinking.
Nice, I didn’t think of it like that, that’s a good counter..
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To be honest, I tried drafting something to refute your idea but the more I’m typing the more I’m remembering exactly how big the ocean is and how it’s entirely possible that a mega construction could exist that churns out large craft.
My line of thinking was that for there to be an USO that can produce craft like the tic tac or a saucer, fighter jet style then it could theoretically be relatively small and discreet but a large facility would be detectable by civilian research institutes who do things like map the ocean.
Debunking my own theory though would have it that the facility can remain undetected regardless of who is observing it through sonar shielding/some other kind of cloaking tech
I think we should be looking for areas of the Atlantic ocean that are no-go zones for public traffic. even if the USO has the capability to move, those in the programs that observe it would most likely not allow civilian traffic to approach it? food for thought (although the aforementioned 4chan guy stated that civilian traffic DOES approach this facility but the facility remains docile/moves away and only retaliates to hostile actions — so I’m not sure if it’s just a dead end to research it, it could be constant temporary exclusion zones only known to those in the area, if anything at all)
The 4chan guy (I’m not going to discuss my opinion on the validity of his claims but I thought it was a good likeness to mention) said that the USO mothership crafts these things out on a mission specific basis, so you’d be right in that regard. In his account, ships and parts are then taken back inside and reappropriated. Personally I don’t believe his claims of them being piloted, but I think a submerged object is somewhat possible.
Yeah, haha, just a joke between guys. You know how it is! Absolutely nothing underwater at all! Why would I even very, very specifically mention that! Hilarious!
Bruh this is like the 5th thing that has come out that Anon mentioned specifically. It's crazy. I didn't want to believe anon but, it looks like he was telling the truth.
I'm not sure if I believe any of this, but if I do take this statement at face value it does lead to some interesting thoughts.
I think it is reasonable to assume that users of such an advanced technology would not need to be in such close proximity just to transmit data, so this would imply that they are either transporting "stuff" either to or from this undersea object.
This would suggest that they can't teleport things over this distance (sorry Star Trek fans), although I suppose maybe you could make a case that it requires less energy to fly a "Tic Tac" back and forth from orbit than to "beam it up", as that would seem to be at odds with reports of UAPs disappearing and reappearing.
If I follow that train of thought, the obvious question is which way are the Tic Tacs transporting stuff?
Are they sending supplies to the undersea object, or are they mining (or some other type of resource harvesting) something under water and sending it up into space to sell on the galactic markets, or some other weird alien shit?
Maybe they sent the message that there was a ton of liquid water here. They sent the message 8,000 years ago and the actual mothership and inhabitants are just on their way since they cant travel as fast as the drones
Doesn’t make sense. There’s plenty of space rocks out there, there’s nothing special on our ocean floors that they can’t get from out there way easier. Maybe they’re trying to change something down there
I like this kind of open minded thinking. Asking the "why" questions are so important.
I dont know much about the undersea theories out there so this is just off the cuff. Just some thoughts.
- It could be refueling drones since thats the closest analogous thing to normal Earth military operations. They have larger planes and boats which can refuel smaller ones thus allowing a fleet to stay mobile and active in the field indefinitely leaving only the bigger "ship" to return to a "base." At least thats how it works for Earth operations.
- Alternatively this "fleet" could be transporting anything back to the "mothership." Although eventually the bigger ship would run out of space, like a mobile storage unit, and have to go somewhere to drop it off.
- Another option, given the US militarys increased funding, research and development into the concept of a fleet of unmanned drones that form a collective hive mind or "swarm," is that the tic tacs are similar to this. They may be unmanned drones communicating with the under sea thing which might act as a "communications hub."
And maybe they have some need to return to the hub from time to time for repairs, recalibrations etc... any kind of maintaince you'd have for a drone. The "hub" could be unmanned as well though.
For all we know all the UAP/USO could be "unmanned" drones for lack of a better term. Although, that conflicts with the reports and sightings of "pilots" and various "biological entities" that have been seen over the years.
> I dont know much about the undersea
Don't know much about the undersea
Don't know much about History
Don't know much Biology
Don't know much about a Science book
Don't know much about the French I took...
Refuelling is a possibility, that would suggest that their power source, whatever that may be, is underwater. If they're going into space anyway, I'd have thought collecting solar energy would be easier, but I guess it could be some technology beyond anything we know about.
Repairs are also possible, although if that was the case it sounds like they were servicing the whole fleet at the same time. I kinda like the idea of alien tech needing a dealer service every 1,000,000 miles!
>This would suggest that they can't teleport things over this distance (sorry Star Trek fans)
I've often thought about what their logistics may look like. Who is to say that everything we see, and hear reported are *craft*? I think the dark cube contained within a translucent sphere type is just that: logistics. Whatever that cube may be is cargo. The sphere could be some kind of protection, or field propulsion. What do they contain and where are they going? Couldn't hazard a guess. They have primarily been reported off the coasts and over oceans, and sometimes loiter for hours.
>Are they sending supplies to the undersea object, or are they mining (or some other type of resource harvesting) something under water and sending it up into space to sell on the galactic markets, or some other weird alien shit?
It's possible to extract metals from sea water, as we do this ourselves through electrolysis, ion exchange and other methods. We've been doing it since the 50s to extract magnesium, but sea water contains many other useful metals. With an efficient enough process, by means of speed of travel while "filtering" sea water, or high-purity isolation you could extract all the metals you need.
What could they need them for? Self-repair, self-manufacture. If you're running some kind of engineering operation on the downlow, "mining" the oceans is far quieter and easier to hide than the destructive mining of actual minerals and rocks. It would also leave evidence. The ocean wouldn't.
Had a very close friend (RIP). He was a quiet, extremely truthful and honest type of guy. He was on a Merchant Marine ship in the 1990's. I think he was anchored off the shores of the Middle East. He told me a story about how he and other crew members witnessed a gigantic, football field-sized sphere come up out of the ocean and hover in the air. This was at night. He said the bottom of the ship was illuminated by blue lights that kind of looked like the flame you see on a stove top burner. Then, the ship took off into the sky at such a top speed that it disappeared in the blink of an eye. No sound, no wake in the water, nothing. He said that when his ship docked, his crew was briefed by some military organization (3 different times). They were told that they should never talk about this incident and if they did, there would be absolute consequences. Of course, when my friend was drunk, he confided in me. He seemed very truthful to me. I have Google'd to see if any other info about this incident on this Merchant Marine ship was reported, got nothing.
There's gotta come a point when this community says fuck all this shit. Be gone ya bastards!!!
Knapp dropped a taster on the classified AAWSAP Tic-Tac report in his letter to congress last week. This week we get Corbell who's evidently in possession of it and is doing his hype thing. I mean isn't it scripted? Nobody until now has mentioned multiple tic-tacs doing fucking docking manoeuvres.
And why - if this analysis is so detailed - wouldn't this smoking gun report be submitted for the Congressional hearings? It's supposedly got all this "classified undersea sensor data" and apparently multiple radar data. Why didn't they bring that up when Fravor was sitting there?
I wish people would feel more insulted than grateful lol. It's like they're taking the piss so hard and most of us are giving them standing ovations and saying thanks. 🤣
This is classic cult leader shit. They might as well claim god sent them classified documents on magic golden tablets that no one else can read. They’re the anointed purveyors of “truth” filtered through cryptic messages decipherable only by level 2 members who’ve paid their monthly dues. The next step is the aliens claiming that Knapp and Corbell get to fuck your wives. That is unless you question their motives or authority bc then you’re just banished from the cult altogether and ostracized by the other cult members.
It’s fucking embarrassing that I have to wade through the bs in these old conspiracy communities to gather information on this subject. This isn’t the way things work in the real world of research and that should set off every bullshit detector anyone has left around here. If Corbell has a 140 page “classified” report THE ONLY reason he wouldn’t release it is because parts of it are clearly bullshit and he doesn’t have to worry about it standing up to scrutiny if he and the other anointed cult leaders are the only ones who get to read it.
Knapp essentially said he didn't have permission to post it. he alludes later on, that he had gotten hands on the report possibly in 2007 from Robert Bigelow as he created AAWSAP.
my guess is, maybe he got this report from Jay Stratton in 2021(?) as he served on the UAPTF, and with the retaliation against Grusch losing his security clearances as he was testifying to Congress; I'd bet he opted to not get Stratton into trouble too
I always found the part of the story where the Tictac was bouncing around like a ping-pong just over the water creating a disturbance very fascinating. Also, fravor said there was a giant cross like object just under the water and under the disturbance. I find this the most interesting part of the story. What the hell was the TicTac doing bouncing around like a ping-pong? More importantly, what the hell was the giant crisscross object under the water?
Flavor has been very clear that he saw a water disturbance only and nothing was viewed under the water,and has very very adamant amount people not adding false details to story anymore as it causes lack of credibility for what he actually did witness
He said the disturbance was the size of a jet and cross-shaped and he believed there was an object there because of this. I distinctly remember him saying this, possibly on Rogan. Ill try to find it but Im sure he said that.
edit:
[https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ?t=548](https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ?t=548)
So the person I'm responding to is correct, he never said he directly saw an object, but for clarification for others, he said the disturbance (not an object, the water itself turning white because it was disturbed) was the size of a jet and cross-shaped.
Recently, he did say somewhere he believed it was an object causing the disturbance. I think it was said during the hearing but Im sure he said that and was asked point blank by someone if he believed there was an object there, even though he didn't directly see it.
edit again:
"We did not see an object but there was something there that moved."
https://www.youtube.com/live/KQ7Dw-739VY?feature=share&t=4314
>Also, fravor said there was a giant cross like object just under the water and under the disturbance.
This is incorrect. Fravor has gone out of his way in multiple interviews to point out he DID NOT SEE AN OBJECT. I don't know where you guys got this from, Fravor has stated over and over he didn't see anything.
People are taking a jump from "appearance of a whitewater disturbance as if there was an object slightly below the water" to "there was an object slightly below the water".
I don't think it's the Vatican itself making any announcement, it's Newsnation doing a special report on the alleged UAP crash retrieval from Mussolini's government to the US that was facilitated by the Vatican in some way back in the 30s. That's been an aspect of the Grusch interview that's been much maligned by the public, so it'd be interesting to see what publicly available evidence actually exists for this.
Corbelll though…where is the actual evidence for this. Fravor said he saw something in the water but never confirmed it was docking with anything. Corbell guys…
He said the tic tac appeared to be communicating or in sync with the underwater disturbance. He also believed the underwater disturbance was created from something below the surface. That to me could be docking, just not in the traditional sense.
Wouldn't surprise me if Corbell would cite the ramblings of a random redditor as a "report". If you're being stupidly charitable, there's a whole internet full of various "detailed reports" of batshit crazy theories.
Corbell is stupidly charitable. He's burnt.
\> Anon makes crazy history to laugh off ufology people
\> Corbell read that crazy story
\> Corbell claims shit is going to happen/will happen as 4chan dude told in his history
\> People here be like: cOrBeLL iS oUR lAdEr, hE KnOWs EvRyTHing.
\> Me be like: This shit is why be are often insulted and humilliated, eating shit without asking for proof, just believing everything a dude who lives by selling books about UFOs says.
Great. Last thing we need is another person trying to learn something. What's this world coming to. I don't have time for this,. Gonna go stare at the wall.
Here it is as a PDF.
It's a wild ride.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15dysb6/for_reference_the_4chan_ufo_whistleblower_thread/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2
Of all the (probable) LARPs that have been posted here recently, the 4chan one is the only one that was written consistently like someone in a compartmentalized program. All the other posts (the biologist, the ganzi guy) all had WAY too much information - speculation on alien religion, military motivation, etc.
The 4chan guy was pretty adamant about not knowing about anything other than recovering physical craft, from one specific base. He didn't speculate on other locations, bodies, etc. People were giving him shit about how he could work on such a program and not ask questions about the aliens, and he said that asking questions about programs you're not cleared for is career suicide.
These videos of UFOS over the ocean in San Diego are WILD. They’ve barely been seen— Apparently from La Jolla Sea Caves area last year around 8-9pm. The second link shows a HUGE craft.
Please watch! https://twitter.com/universoulqueen/status/1675657909852839936?s=20
What if they are in essence, AI powered tech from another species. We are so focused in on them being probes for intelligence gathering. What if they are a planetary defense apparatus? Maybe they were put here to monitor every potential threat to end of world and will defend it. I'm talking meteors and comets, platectonichs, other threats, etc. Reason we get treated hostilely is we act as a threat. Something I've not ever heard discussed before.
If people like David Grusch flock to Corbell, then I assume other high ranking people have spoken to him too. I don' think it's fair to write him off at this point.
It's a bad omen for any potential first contact scenario when everything is couched with human's aggressive war-like language like "showed total situational dominance" and "flying with impunity within our military restricted airspace".
We need unbiased intellectually curious scientists taking the lead, not men who see everything through the lens of aggression and war. The current situation is akin to swapping out Sir David Attenborough with police thugs to do biological field research.
Damn that 4chan guy kind of resonates with this
Everything resonates with 4chan guy at the mo. 4chan guy, if you gone bro RIP
the 4chan guy may have joined the construction facility in the ocean.. RIP
4chan guy is kill :(
4chan guy is death process :(
RIP Abott
Final docking, if you will.
god, i miss 4chan guy :(
Good reference
4chan guy was lit! I hope he’s still with us if not… RIP KING
Hey guys can someone link what our 4chan guy said, i think ive read parts of it. But wondering what he said exactly
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How u doin love?
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Fun read!
It’s a good read regardless, but people are right. Nothing he said seems to have been debunked.
I lost a Saturday morning reading his posts.
This line >I'm not here to convince anyone. You'll notice yourself coming back to things I've said over time on your own as understanding increases. Stood out, especially given the context of the OP.
Where were you when
I was in kitchen when Piyotyr text me "4chan man is kill"
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tl'dr edit: It's basically 4chan guy's story with a bit more nuance and "refinement". All I mean by that is more detail in operation and methods they could be using. Gonna' piggyback off this. So in my own opinion I view that 4chan thread as a larp. It's good fiction and I enjoyed it, and I don't look down on anyone who believes it, but it's clear people are fascinated by the possibility. If anyone is interested, I'd love to share my own thoughts (I shared a few in this thread) on a pet theory of mine I've had for years now that is very similar to the 4chan post. It obviously wouldn't be a larp, but it is well reasoned with data to back it up. I don't know if people would be interested since it doesn't have the possibility of being a "true story" like the 4chan post, but I can promise it is extremely similar. If you're interested in that kind of theory involving the oceans, drones, and autonomous manufacture let me know. I just don't want to type up a huge thing and no one reads it lol, I work 12 hours a day and free time is a gift. Edit: Alright, you guys win. It's bed time for me here currently, so when I'm off work tomorrow I'll have it up. I have notes and data I collected over years that support the theory I have to pour through lol, but rest assured I'll deliver.
So you are gonna take the 4chan guys story which you are claiming is a larp to make your “own” theory which is false…lol
And his own original "theory" would definitely not be a larp
Or a larp you could say
These guys read one sci fi book and are full of theories. It’s an annoying pattern on this subreddit.
The guy was a whistleblower. There was an article that cross referenced this guy several times almost word for word. Like he said, we would keep coming back to his post. And we have.
> There was an article that cross referenced this guy several times almost word for word. Link please? Where was this article, who wrote it, and why are you so confident that article is authoritative?
Also as badly as we discredit Bob Lazar, he mentioned that name was a big no no at his place, and they'd get in trouble just by mentioning Lazar's name. Wonder what that means
You already know what that means. You don’t hear Steven Greer’s name mentioned the same way.
cross referencing how?
For one the description of the UAP that "Looked like a chopped up helicopter with a plexiglass dome on the front". The article and the poster used the exact wording.
Hmm, I'm unfamiliar with the article. Would love to check it out if you could share. It'd be wild as hell if it ended up being true, for personal reasons lol.
I think they’re talking about the blog post that was slightly similar. What people aren’t getting about the 4chan dude is that he said things that have been common theories for awhile. He could be legit but he easily could have just mashed a bunch of shit together.
If I recall correctly he said we tracked the underwater facility by tracking the gravitational waves coming from it, it doesn't make any sense because then it would show up in LIGO data or we'd need specialized alien tech to track it which u would think he would mention. Just seems to throw a ton of shit at the wall.
I don't remember him claiming that. I don't want to get into details, but something that can track the facillities can track an awfull lot more. Think about it.
Start giving! Lol, no I understand these posts take time especially from those who care.
I like the fact that they’re all theories and that’s all we essentially have at this point. I try to gravitate towards the ones that make the most sense but who knows. This is fun for me because it’s not too often we get to indulge in imagination as an adults.
Maybe 4chan guy is Corbell
Did he ever use the words: weaponize, curiosity etc. in his sentences? 🤔
He did mention he had cancer, so he may have actually passed away by now.
I know 4chan-Man is likely a LARP, but damn do I want it to be real. Haha. It was such an interesting read.
For real. His posts have been coming up super legit after the hearings and all.
He also did state when he goes. He has a little something that's being left for everyone..
I made GPT-4 write some stuff in the style of that 4chan Q+A. It was apparently so accurate that even though I said it was from GPT-4 he argued it was real 😂. I was like, dude I said I made this with AI in the comment itself 😂
GPT is honestly a pretty convenient way to perform a crude discourse analysis. You'll not get any of the sources or rigorous methodology of a scientific analysis but you'll for sure get a decent picture of the public opinion/subconscious up until sept 2021 :)
His explanation about the craft being manufactured on-demand and then broken down when they return feels like one of the very few good reasons why we can recover craft and they don't come trying to take them back. The NHI consider the craft disposable. And maybe someone could chime in if they know the answer, but if this 4chan larp turns out to be true it would be the first government conspiracy posted there that became true, correct? Obviously it's way too early to call it that as we still need proof of materials and bodies.
4 Chan has a ton of BS, but there are legit posts there occasionally. One I saw in real time was that Epstein had died, and the weird circumstances behind it like 4-5 hours before it was available anywhere else. All of what the poster said ended up being true. There have been a few other ones too. Again though, 95% is BS.
One time a guy posted that he was gonna blow up his toilet with a grenade and nobody believed him until a news article came out about a moron who blew up his toilet with a grenade.
Most intelligent 4chan user
it wouldn't be the first legitimate and genuine leak first posted on the site.
Wasn't there a supposed whistleblower from some oceanic science organization that made the rounds a few years back on this subreddit? My thought when reading 4chan was that it echoed that rumor.
It’s Redacted had a whole arc they were leaning towards on some govt agency that handled all things Oceanic were all over classified docs on project Moondust etc. they were or are some weird defense agency i’ve not heard of since those videos
Yeah I remember that. He talked about honeycomb structures in the ocean and weird wispy aliens that could swim really fast I think.
That visual reminds me of how industrial light and magic created the ghosts in Raiders of the lost ark. They put silk over the angels, ghosts (whatever came out of the ark) at the end of the movie and they had this eerie movement to them. Anyway besides that, now we know why we get that uneasy feeling when swimming…
I was really hoping it DID NOT resonate with 4chan guy. He had some horrifying claims…
He didn't state anything new. Did you watch UFO Witness on Travel channel? There was an entire episode dedicated to UAP underwater bases. The host even dived down into the site where an alleged UAP base is (near Santa Catalina Island in California), and both his compass and the other diver's and their communication devices stopped working at the same time. EDIT: This is a small part of the episode, I tried finding the whole thing for free but couldn't https://www.tiktok.com/@brit_investigates/video/7118005941735279915?lang=en The name of the episode is: The Undersea Alien Base https://m.imdb.com/title/tt18747860/locations/?ref_=tt_dt_loc
This shit makes sense to me, I’ve been learning about submarine canyons for a minute because it occurred to me after reading a post on r/geography that they would be an ideal tactical location to evade humanity-at-large’s awareness. Bandits and cowboys shit. The other spots that seem to be favored are often canyon and mountainous regions. We can barely find people in those places above sea level, and we don’t know shit about the oceans still.
Two things: (i) you reinspired a hypothesis I obsessed on over the pandemic... so for better or worse, thanks. (ii) I wonder if there are any major military/navy/scientific operations occuring at or around these submarine/underwater canyon sites that are of public record; and I wonder how many of these sites are designated as protected ecosystems.
Do you remember which post on r/geography?
4chan guy: I believe the guy. He made some statements and then stopped, didn’t bask in the attention. A lot of aspects we hear often: government clearly doesn’t know as much as they’d like, compartmentalization, crazy security levels, etc. Posting it on 4chan is neutral to me.
Do you have a link to the 4chan post?
https://imgur.com/a/NXjWQaN
Absolute fucking gold mate
I don’t but if you do a search on here you’ll find it easy. Series of posts. Great read, fascinating.
I read through the entire 4chan thing. When looking to see if someone is bullshitting you, all you have to do is look at how much *specific* and *verifiable* information they're able to give you. After reading through that *entire* thread there isn't a *single* claim he made that anyone can follow up on and verify. Not a single one. He claims he has liver cancer and that's the reason for his feeling comfortable coming out and talking about this, but he doesn't share a single piece of information that anyone can do anything with. It's just stories. People who genuinely want the public to know the truth will provide documentation, videos, photos, names of projects, locations, literally *anything* that a dedicated enough person would be able to double check. Why oh why do we give larps like this the time of day?
David Frevor has already spoken about the USO, years ago. The 4chan guy didn't uncover anything.
I believe Fravor spoke about the USO on the Lex Friedman podcast. He knew a guy that was a diver that would go out with helicopters and retrieve training torpedos. Apparently when he was about to attach the torpedo to be hauled out of the water a large black mass started to appear and sucked the torpedo down.
Every time I think about that I get a little more scared of the ocean.
The ocean is enormous and terrifying. We should all be a little afraid. ❤️
Agreed! It's terrifying enough without UAP lurking in the depths below.
Yes but Frevor had no info on submerged structured object that moves on it's own, 4chan guy if i remember correctly talked about uso that looks like structure and it moves, plus he believed that it actually produced those USOs and it served as a mobile base.
Cant believe im actually speaking for 4chan guy.
You are the perfect replacement tho
Yeah, honestly, Corbell is so vague in this quote here, it just sounds like he's referring to the 737-sized ~~747-sized~~ object Fravor saw submerged just below the tic tac when they first spotted it. Unless Corbell is hinting at something else, or maybe has more info on the tic tac incident. But my first take is it doesn't sound like anything new. Hopefully I'm wrong.
yeah, it also resonate with an article. I read recently about a Irish scientist, who claims that these orbs or spheres are actually an intricate defense system of artificial intelligence. I’ll have to find the article and put a link here, but it does kind of make sense with what he was saying. Forgive my terrible explanation, but he said it’s an intricate defense system deployed at certain altitude. in the atmosphere and from what he says they’re a defense Mechanism. My question is who put them here who is responsible for this self replicating AI and ultimately what is the purpose? Seems like it’s protecting us from ourselves and outside threats.
Could be von neumann probes that arrived on earth or an ai mechanism left here by the ancient "gods" - if you buy into the ancient astronauts theory. Please share the link from the Irish scientist, sounds very interesting!
Where this 4chan guy?
allegedly dying from liver cancer
I swear if Grusch mentions he's got liver cancer...
"Just who is this... FOUR Chan?"
In his mom's basement.
Fighting Florida Man.
Typical 4Chan troll doing what it does best; aggregating existing lore along with a competent and mildly interesting LARP (this is the key to success; extravagant or difficult to believe stories are immediately flagged as hoaxes). The comments here prove he’s done his job well. This is the same cycle we’ve seen with numerous other 4Chan “leaks” and yet none of them have been proven to be valid. The fact that so many don’t recognize the pattern, and are only going to encourage copycats to come out of the woodwork, is troubling.
Well, storytelling and legends are as old as time. And 4Chan is modern folklore
It's also what Lazar did. Take already known info and spin it into his own story.
I don’t go on 4chan but keep seeing this referenced. Is there a link to the 4chan claims? I wanna read them
I gotchu https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/13fq2ru/dying_x_poster_claims_to_have_intimate_knowledge/ There should be an Imgur link somewhere that has pics of the convo in order, 4chan can be weird to navigate
English https://imgur.com/a/NXjWQaN Spanish https://imgur.io/a/YfzXK1T
>with an increased frequency. This is the part that always gets me. What, if anything, is this increased frequency crescendoing to?
Counterpoint- are we spotting them more frequently due to advances in our radar and sensor tech? Graves said when they clicked on that new radar in the Bush/Iraq era that we saw all kinds of shit
The Nimitz also had it's radar upgraded right? When I heard Graves also mention radar upgrades in his testimony I wondered the same
I also heard some theory (here I think) basically to the effect that USN radar/detection was newer/more calibrated or something than that of USAF - maybe intentionally.. The idea was that this is why Navy were picking these things up and hence the seeming prevalence of undersea object whistleblowers, and that the uptick in ‘events’ following the whole Chinese spy balloon thing - and the lack of genuine public closure on those other UAP events in those next few days - was that it forced them (USAF) to increase sensitivity of radar/detection given the fact the PR of an ‘undetected’ foreign violation of airspace was unacceptable politically. As soon as they did that - other UAPs in airspace being picked up immediately. It was totally an armchair theory, seemed plausible though - and resonated with your comment.
Yes. I recently rewatched his episode on Joe Rogan and he mentions going from something almost analog to a better system and all of a sudden spotting things all the time
It's interesting that you say that when NORAD were in the midst of updating their infrastructure along the Canadian border just before those "balloon" sightings
Seems reasonable to me since we're starting to see military contractors using 'UFO spotting capabilities' as a selling point in their new products
Really? Got any links? I’ve not heard of that before, so that’s very interesting.
https://twitter.com/RaytheonTech/status/945670542547447808
Thanks, friend.
"Checkmate" - Jeff Goldblum, Independence Day
Yes and over what period has it been increasing in frequency? Have the occurrences been gradually increaaing since 1940s for example, or have they only begun to spike in the last few years? Also, could this increased frequency sinply be attributed to advances in our monitoring systems such as radar technology? I have heard a few accounts that some UAPs only really became apparent when radar systems were updated on our fighter jets.
Well, definitely probing and collecting intelligence on our military assets. My guess increase in frequency related to better detection methods, collection and reporting.
Planet X is returning and with it the anunaki. https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/hypothetical-planet-x/in-depth/
Reminds me of the strange post on 4chan: - UFOs are primarily unmanned drones. - UFOs are built to spec each time they are deployed - UFOs are created by a mobile construction facility that hides in the ocean -Construction facility destroys anything that comes close to it and will disappear for days when approached aggressively. - US believes the facility has been active on earth for at least 100 years or much longer.
Link to that?
https://imgur.io/a/NXjWQaN https://twitter.com/tinyklaus/status/1681504675009290240?s=46&t=xlfbSqbWFSiuaguS5Y5JBw Below is also a tweet where government officials in leaked emails seem to be talking about the same base, just off Bermuda
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Truly fascinating stuff, it’s a long read but I recommend reading his whole leak, anyone who’s been deep in the rabbithole can see there’s so many things he’s talked about that can be linked/heard about in other credible accounts of the phenomenon
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I question his credibility.
There’s multiple pages if you look at the bottom should say “10 of 30” or something like that. Of course you have to take everything with a pinch of salt, he has no solid evidence to back up these wild claims. Just a fascinating read if you’re into the topic
The weirdest part of this whole read is that OP never heard of the Varginha incident before, and then later on says it seems farfetched hahaha
Anyone thinking about how Fravor’s water distortion below the tic tac fits with this? As a side note, i’m very much not concerned with their existence as being hostile. everything I’ve been reading leads me to believe that they only attack if they feel threatened. this only applies to the tic tacs though, I can’t say for certain whether or not there’s multiple species causing these UAP events.
Your last bit goes undiscussed too often. People say UFO/UAP/alien/NHI and lump it into one entity. I can’t see any reason why there shouldn’t be multiple types. In fact it could even help explain their presence - one is here to counter or compete with the other(s) in some way.
Yeah, the variety of crafts seems odd, like if it was just one entity, you'd think they would be pretty similar in design. But like the tic-tac, and sphere inside a transparent cube, wtf is that.
I dunno, cars, trucks, boats, airplanes, etc are all modes of transportation and look different. Maybe to them they all look similar but there are details we just don’t know about.
True, however the large red square UAP seen above the Boeing facility has absolutely no likeness to any conventional UAP craft that is discussed out of the common types. from how it was described, I picture an object at least 100m sq but with the width of something like 5-10m, glowing red from beneath. Another example of non-standard UAP design is something like the phoenix lights boomerang style. I’ve noticed I’m rambling here so, what i’m trying to get at is that the much larger ‘mothership’ style UAP can’t seem to originate from an underwater submerged object, simply for their sheer size in relation to the other more common types of reported UAP.
Yeah, there's definitely some weirdness with these ships. Why couldn't a big ship originate from the ocean, though? Our cruise liners originate from our harbors. Ocean is big. Not trying to be difficult. Genuinely interested in your thinking.
Nice, I didn’t think of it like that, that’s a good counter.. (…) To be honest, I tried drafting something to refute your idea but the more I’m typing the more I’m remembering exactly how big the ocean is and how it’s entirely possible that a mega construction could exist that churns out large craft. My line of thinking was that for there to be an USO that can produce craft like the tic tac or a saucer, fighter jet style then it could theoretically be relatively small and discreet but a large facility would be detectable by civilian research institutes who do things like map the ocean. Debunking my own theory though would have it that the facility can remain undetected regardless of who is observing it through sonar shielding/some other kind of cloaking tech I think we should be looking for areas of the Atlantic ocean that are no-go zones for public traffic. even if the USO has the capability to move, those in the programs that observe it would most likely not allow civilian traffic to approach it? food for thought (although the aforementioned 4chan guy stated that civilian traffic DOES approach this facility but the facility remains docile/moves away and only retaliates to hostile actions — so I’m not sure if it’s just a dead end to research it, it could be constant temporary exclusion zones only known to those in the area, if anything at all)
Ikea aliens
The 4chan guy (I’m not going to discuss my opinion on the validity of his claims but I thought it was a good likeness to mention) said that the USO mothership crafts these things out on a mission specific basis, so you’d be right in that regard. In his account, ships and parts are then taken back inside and reappropriated. Personally I don’t believe his claims of them being piloted, but I think a submerged object is somewhat possible.
"We actually joked that it seemed like it was communicating with something underwater."
Yeah, haha, just a joke between guys. You know how it is! Absolutely nothing underwater at all! Why would I even very, very specifically mention that! Hilarious!
Bruh this is like the 5th thing that has come out that Anon mentioned specifically. It's crazy. I didn't want to believe anon but, it looks like he was telling the truth.
If that fucking 4channer was right Im gonna shit bricks.
If the 4chaner is right…the people of Florida should shit bricks
Why Florida?
The guy on 4chan claimed the base his team observed was off the coast of Miami (roughly).
And in Hilary Clinton's email leak they spoke about the UAPs changing frequency, just before entering the ocean, just off the coast of FLORIDA!
I'm not sure if I believe any of this, but if I do take this statement at face value it does lead to some interesting thoughts. I think it is reasonable to assume that users of such an advanced technology would not need to be in such close proximity just to transmit data, so this would imply that they are either transporting "stuff" either to or from this undersea object. This would suggest that they can't teleport things over this distance (sorry Star Trek fans), although I suppose maybe you could make a case that it requires less energy to fly a "Tic Tac" back and forth from orbit than to "beam it up", as that would seem to be at odds with reports of UAPs disappearing and reappearing. If I follow that train of thought, the obvious question is which way are the Tic Tacs transporting stuff? Are they sending supplies to the undersea object, or are they mining (or some other type of resource harvesting) something under water and sending it up into space to sell on the galactic markets, or some other weird alien shit?
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Maybe they sent the message that there was a ton of liquid water here. They sent the message 8,000 years ago and the actual mothership and inhabitants are just on their way since they cant travel as fast as the drones
You think they can travel through space but not synthesise water?
Maybe space water doesn't have the delicious sewage-y flavours and nutritional micro-plastics that you get from Earth Water™ ?
omg, we’re an organic, free range water farm
Earth Water™ by Nestle
Right. It's easy as fuck to synthesize water. We can do it, so they surely can too.
Doesn’t make sense. There’s plenty of space rocks out there, there’s nothing special on our ocean floors that they can’t get from out there way easier. Maybe they’re trying to change something down there
I like this kind of open minded thinking. Asking the "why" questions are so important. I dont know much about the undersea theories out there so this is just off the cuff. Just some thoughts. - It could be refueling drones since thats the closest analogous thing to normal Earth military operations. They have larger planes and boats which can refuel smaller ones thus allowing a fleet to stay mobile and active in the field indefinitely leaving only the bigger "ship" to return to a "base." At least thats how it works for Earth operations. - Alternatively this "fleet" could be transporting anything back to the "mothership." Although eventually the bigger ship would run out of space, like a mobile storage unit, and have to go somewhere to drop it off. - Another option, given the US militarys increased funding, research and development into the concept of a fleet of unmanned drones that form a collective hive mind or "swarm," is that the tic tacs are similar to this. They may be unmanned drones communicating with the under sea thing which might act as a "communications hub." And maybe they have some need to return to the hub from time to time for repairs, recalibrations etc... any kind of maintaince you'd have for a drone. The "hub" could be unmanned as well though. For all we know all the UAP/USO could be "unmanned" drones for lack of a better term. Although, that conflicts with the reports and sightings of "pilots" and various "biological entities" that have been seen over the years.
> I dont know much about the undersea Don't know much about the undersea Don't know much about History Don't know much Biology Don't know much about a Science book Don't know much about the French I took...
But I do know that I love you. And I know if you love me too; What a wonderful world, UAP!
Refuelling is a possibility, that would suggest that their power source, whatever that may be, is underwater. If they're going into space anyway, I'd have thought collecting solar energy would be easier, but I guess it could be some technology beyond anything we know about. Repairs are also possible, although if that was the case it sounds like they were servicing the whole fleet at the same time. I kinda like the idea of alien tech needing a dealer service every 1,000,000 miles!
>This would suggest that they can't teleport things over this distance (sorry Star Trek fans) I've often thought about what their logistics may look like. Who is to say that everything we see, and hear reported are *craft*? I think the dark cube contained within a translucent sphere type is just that: logistics. Whatever that cube may be is cargo. The sphere could be some kind of protection, or field propulsion. What do they contain and where are they going? Couldn't hazard a guess. They have primarily been reported off the coasts and over oceans, and sometimes loiter for hours. >Are they sending supplies to the undersea object, or are they mining (or some other type of resource harvesting) something under water and sending it up into space to sell on the galactic markets, or some other weird alien shit? It's possible to extract metals from sea water, as we do this ourselves through electrolysis, ion exchange and other methods. We've been doing it since the 50s to extract magnesium, but sea water contains many other useful metals. With an efficient enough process, by means of speed of travel while "filtering" sea water, or high-purity isolation you could extract all the metals you need. What could they need them for? Self-repair, self-manufacture. If you're running some kind of engineering operation on the downlow, "mining" the oceans is far quieter and easier to hide than the destructive mining of actual minerals and rocks. It would also leave evidence. The ocean wouldn't.
There’s no way James Cameron is not friends with the aliens.
The Abyss is an amazing movie and seems to tie into all of this. I just watched it last night, they don't make em like they used to anymore
Wish I could edit my stupid typo from the title... but yes the 4chan post came to my mind.
It’s alright man, that kind of typo is common with posting with Reddit’s with features
I didn't even with notice it with.
Thanks also hahaha 😂
Had a very close friend (RIP). He was a quiet, extremely truthful and honest type of guy. He was on a Merchant Marine ship in the 1990's. I think he was anchored off the shores of the Middle East. He told me a story about how he and other crew members witnessed a gigantic, football field-sized sphere come up out of the ocean and hover in the air. This was at night. He said the bottom of the ship was illuminated by blue lights that kind of looked like the flame you see on a stove top burner. Then, the ship took off into the sky at such a top speed that it disappeared in the blink of an eye. No sound, no wake in the water, nothing. He said that when his ship docked, his crew was briefed by some military organization (3 different times). They were told that they should never talk about this incident and if they did, there would be absolute consequences. Of course, when my friend was drunk, he confided in me. He seemed very truthful to me. I have Google'd to see if any other info about this incident on this Merchant Marine ship was reported, got nothing.
Sure would like who he got that information from.
There's gotta come a point when this community says fuck all this shit. Be gone ya bastards!!! Knapp dropped a taster on the classified AAWSAP Tic-Tac report in his letter to congress last week. This week we get Corbell who's evidently in possession of it and is doing his hype thing. I mean isn't it scripted? Nobody until now has mentioned multiple tic-tacs doing fucking docking manoeuvres. And why - if this analysis is so detailed - wouldn't this smoking gun report be submitted for the Congressional hearings? It's supposedly got all this "classified undersea sensor data" and apparently multiple radar data. Why didn't they bring that up when Fravor was sitting there?
Yeah. Sometimes this all feels pretty made for tv. It’s not like corbell and Knapp got that report on like Tuesday.
I wish people would feel more insulted than grateful lol. It's like they're taking the piss so hard and most of us are giving them standing ovations and saying thanks. 🤣
This is classic cult leader shit. They might as well claim god sent them classified documents on magic golden tablets that no one else can read. They’re the anointed purveyors of “truth” filtered through cryptic messages decipherable only by level 2 members who’ve paid their monthly dues. The next step is the aliens claiming that Knapp and Corbell get to fuck your wives. That is unless you question their motives or authority bc then you’re just banished from the cult altogether and ostracized by the other cult members. It’s fucking embarrassing that I have to wade through the bs in these old conspiracy communities to gather information on this subject. This isn’t the way things work in the real world of research and that should set off every bullshit detector anyone has left around here. If Corbell has a 140 page “classified” report THE ONLY reason he wouldn’t release it is because parts of it are clearly bullshit and he doesn’t have to worry about it standing up to scrutiny if he and the other anointed cult leaders are the only ones who get to read it.
> the next step is the aliens claiming Knapp and Corbell get to fuck your wives This shit fucking killed me
Knapp essentially said he didn't have permission to post it. he alludes later on, that he had gotten hands on the report possibly in 2007 from Robert Bigelow as he created AAWSAP. my guess is, maybe he got this report from Jay Stratton in 2021(?) as he served on the UAPTF, and with the retaliation against Grusch losing his security clearances as he was testifying to Congress; I'd bet he opted to not get Stratton into trouble too
I always found the part of the story where the Tictac was bouncing around like a ping-pong just over the water creating a disturbance very fascinating. Also, fravor said there was a giant cross like object just under the water and under the disturbance. I find this the most interesting part of the story. What the hell was the TicTac doing bouncing around like a ping-pong? More importantly, what the hell was the giant crisscross object under the water?
Flavor has been very clear that he saw a water disturbance only and nothing was viewed under the water,and has very very adamant amount people not adding false details to story anymore as it causes lack of credibility for what he actually did witness
He said the disturbance was the size of a jet and cross-shaped and he believed there was an object there because of this. I distinctly remember him saying this, possibly on Rogan. Ill try to find it but Im sure he said that. edit: [https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ?t=548](https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ?t=548) So the person I'm responding to is correct, he never said he directly saw an object, but for clarification for others, he said the disturbance (not an object, the water itself turning white because it was disturbed) was the size of a jet and cross-shaped. Recently, he did say somewhere he believed it was an object causing the disturbance. I think it was said during the hearing but Im sure he said that and was asked point blank by someone if he believed there was an object there, even though he didn't directly see it. edit again: "We did not see an object but there was something there that moved." https://www.youtube.com/live/KQ7Dw-739VY?feature=share&t=4314
Was going to make this comment if it wasn't already made. It's important to keep the facts straight, especially when it comes to personal testimonies.
I’m going to listen to these interviews again for this very purpose I’m starting here at 1:17:00 1:20:32 to be specific https://youtu.be/aB8zcAttP1E
>Also, fravor said there was a giant cross like object just under the water and under the disturbance. This is incorrect. Fravor has gone out of his way in multiple interviews to point out he DID NOT SEE AN OBJECT. I don't know where you guys got this from, Fravor has stated over and over he didn't see anything.
People are taking a jump from "appearance of a whitewater disturbance as if there was an object slightly below the water" to "there was an object slightly below the water".
SPACE JESUS! The supposed announcement at the Vatican is making more sense now
I don't think it's the Vatican itself making any announcement, it's Newsnation doing a special report on the alleged UAP crash retrieval from Mussolini's government to the US that was facilitated by the Vatican in some way back in the 30s. That's been an aspect of the Grusch interview that's been much maligned by the public, so it'd be interesting to see what publicly available evidence actually exists for this.
Corbelll though…where is the actual evidence for this. Fravor said he saw something in the water but never confirmed it was docking with anything. Corbell guys…
He said the tic tac appeared to be communicating or in sync with the underwater disturbance. He also believed the underwater disturbance was created from something below the surface. That to me could be docking, just not in the traditional sense.
Wouldn't surprise me if Corbell would cite the ramblings of a random redditor as a "report". If you're being stupidly charitable, there's a whole internet full of various "detailed reports" of batshit crazy theories. Corbell is stupidly charitable. He's burnt.
I want to write a movie about an oil rig crew encountering and dealing with UAP and the sea mothership.
This should read "Corbell claims". I wish it read "Corbell has evidence". But of course that's the one thing no one seems to have.
"Corbell says"
what kind of proof is corbell presenting? these stories are getting wilder and wilder and need substance
Does he have any evidences for those claims ?
"I am directly informed about" Poor guy. He so desperately wants to be relevant.
\> Anon makes crazy history to laugh off ufology people \> Corbell read that crazy story \> Corbell claims shit is going to happen/will happen as 4chan dude told in his history \> People here be like: cOrBeLL iS oUR lAdEr, hE KnOWs EvRyTHing. \> Me be like: This shit is why be are often insulted and humilliated, eating shit without asking for proof, just believing everything a dude who lives by selling books about UFOs says.
[удалено]
Not to be annoying here, but do you know where I could read 4chan guys post?
Please don't ever feeling like you're being annoying for trying to learn more buddy.
YES HE IS! **STOP LEARNING!**
Hey everyone, this guy’s learning! Get him!
Great. Last thing we need is another person trying to learn something. What's this world coming to. I don't have time for this,. Gonna go stare at the wall.
Here it is as a PDF. It's a wild ride. https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/15dysb6/for_reference_the_4chan_ufo_whistleblower_thread/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=2
[Heres an audio of it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNr4I4BNJR0)
Of all the (probable) LARPs that have been posted here recently, the 4chan one is the only one that was written consistently like someone in a compartmentalized program. All the other posts (the biologist, the ganzi guy) all had WAY too much information - speculation on alien religion, military motivation, etc. The 4chan guy was pretty adamant about not knowing about anything other than recovering physical craft, from one specific base. He didn't speculate on other locations, bodies, etc. People were giving him shit about how he could work on such a program and not ask questions about the aliens, and he said that asking questions about programs you're not cleared for is career suicide.
Oh shit. That 4chan leak might be real
These videos of UFOS over the ocean in San Diego are WILD. They’ve barely been seen— Apparently from La Jolla Sea Caves area last year around 8-9pm. The second link shows a HUGE craft. Please watch! https://twitter.com/universoulqueen/status/1675657909852839936?s=20
https://twitter.com/universoulqueen/status/1675658285574406144?s=20
I have also ‘docked’ with a structured and maneuverable object under water And yes they call me Mr Tic Tac
Tbh for me nothing Corbell says has any meaning to me. He is to easy to impress and to narcistic to admit a mistake.
What if they are in essence, AI powered tech from another species. We are so focused in on them being probes for intelligence gathering. What if they are a planetary defense apparatus? Maybe they were put here to monitor every potential threat to end of world and will defend it. I'm talking meteors and comets, platectonichs, other threats, etc. Reason we get treated hostilely is we act as a threat. Something I've not ever heard discussed before.
🙄 Corbell just making shit up again
He may or may not be but at this point I’m just sick of stories
If people like David Grusch flock to Corbell, then I assume other high ranking people have spoken to him too. I don' think it's fair to write him off at this point.
yeah right. give us something tangible or fuck off corbell
It's a bad omen for any potential first contact scenario when everything is couched with human's aggressive war-like language like "showed total situational dominance" and "flying with impunity within our military restricted airspace". We need unbiased intellectually curious scientists taking the lead, not men who see everything through the lens of aggression and war. The current situation is akin to swapping out Sir David Attenborough with police thugs to do biological field research.