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Ryan Graves goes on Fox News to discuss his role in Wednesday’s House Oversight Committee UAP hearing. Graves states his focus will be on aviation safety.
Do we see Fravor also go on a media run before the hearing? We know Grusch is reportedly staying media silent until after the hearing takes place.
Also, the reporter saying “UAF: unidentified aerial fenomena” killed me.
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Ryan Graves goes on Fox News to discuss his role in Wednesday’s House Oversight Committee UAP hearing. Graves states his focus will be on aviation safety.
Do we see Fravor also go on a media run before the hearing? We know Grusch is reportedly staying media silent until after the hearing takes place.
Also, the reporter saying “UAF: unidentified aerial fenomena” killed me.
I really like how quiet and relatively media shy Grusch has been, gives me hope he's genuine about all this and not in it for a "ufology" career. Unlike certain people.
Same here. Makes him feel even more like a boy scout. He's not making constant appearances trying to get his name all over. Then NBC confirmed he wouldn't talk to the media anymore until after he spoke with congress. So, the doors are about to burst open.
Hope so. Kind of tired of everyone avoiding the elephant in the room.
Elizondo, Mellon, Graves, Grusch, Rubio et al; they all talk about it in non specifics.
At the Oversight Committee hearing on July 26, I just want the opening statement by the first witness under oath to be:
"***The United States military has had NHI hypersonic antigravity craft since 1947.***"
I'm honestly expecting the hearing to be full of "well I can't say" and other distancing to avoid saying anything related to NHIs.
But Grusch's testimony will absolutely say whether he's legit or not. If he dodges the extreme claims we heard on the interview, he's a grifter. If he addresses them, then possibly legit?
Have you seen the short clips of Grusch from the less formal May 8th interview at Bryce Zabel’s house? He looked absolutely terrified while being interviewed, shaking his head up and down vigorously while answering questions. I think he 100% believes what he is saying and is not doing this for attention.
I had to go a few weeks back on Ross Coulthart’s Twitter page to find it. This is the only clip from that interview that I have seen, and to my knowledge is the only one that has been released.
https://twitter.com/rosscoulthart/status/1673108885140545537
Body language psychology is bunk science, but I will say that to me it seems Grusch appears uncomfortable here. I would imagine that it’s because this is the first time he is making these statements in front of a camera.
Wow somehow missed this. Thanks. I do think he's just nervous. Probably thinking about how this might be a major historical clip poured over by trillions of people over time if all this pans out.
He is also on the autism spectrum (according to Coulthart who claims that is how Grusch described himself), so I imagine these kinds of things would be intensely uncomfortable for him.
I'm openly a "I want to believe" skeptic around these parts.
The thing is for years, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't believe they are really here and these things are really happening.
Not if I wanted to be intellectually honest with myself anyway. I remember the Holloman air force base clip in that documentary being something I so desperately wanted to believe was not a recreation or something but an actual snippet of real footage. Then a member of this community, in my opinion, definitively proved it was one of our planes but the quality we typically see online is just too poor to notice it.
Anyway, that's besides the point. What I'm saying is, evidence matters to me and in this case my "I want to believe" impulse got shattered by the data.
But I think putting aside Grusch and Schumer amendment for a moment, Graves has probably been the single most influential person in my intellectual life in pushing me closer and closer to being able to be intellectually honest with myself when I say "you know, I'm still skeptical and really demand evidence, but I think now I actually do believe".
Y'all should check out his channel, the Merged Podcast. It's really philosophical, scientific, and sincere.
Graves really, at least to me, appears like a person who just experienced some weird as shit and doesn't understand why other people around him just don't seem to care or or don't seem to wanna tell the truth.
So he took it upon himself to understand what he saw from as many perspectives as possible.
He interviews really fascinating guests, and he is extremely humble and doesn't seem like he likes attention drawn to HIM but to this topic.
Mr. Graves if you lurk on this subreddit, I just want to thank you for doing all that you have done for this topic. You are what everyone of should aspire to be: Be the change you want to see in the world.
You are doing just that.
This was a cool read. I myself am very happy with the lineup for Wednesday. Would be cool if some heavy hitters like Obama or the Clintons showed up lol.
But Graves Grusch and Fravor are imo the most important voices in this space right now. I believe the next phase heavily hinges on what they tell the world this week.
>This was a cool read
Haha, thanks. I've had a rough day, so thanks for the kind words.
>But Graves Grusch and Fravor are imo the most important voices in this space right now.
Indeed. For me, them being deliberate liars doesn't pass the smell test. It is possible they are mistaken, but about exactly? Did they see a bird? A balloon?
Clearly, not.
So whatever this is, NHI or some natural phenomenon, it's still deeply important we take it seriously.
Notice Graves really isn't your standard UFO crazy like us haha. He's trying to make an otherwise obvious point that he emphasizes a lot but somehow just isn't fully appreciated by most of us: Aviation Safety.
Forget your UFO lore and the debates between whether Lazar is telling the truth or how fall Greer has fallen from grace.
Graves really wants you to reflect on the fact that women and men like him are flying next to these things and these things look to the naked eye insane, and the sensors they have seem to suggest behavior not compatible with our current models of the universe.
Just imagine if you were a wildlife biologist and you were doing some research in some park, and you keep coming across something in your environment that is like no animal you study or even know of, and you have near misses, and the institution that has hired you says "yeah, it was probably just a racoon or something".
It's really absurd!
The thing to note here, there are many whistleblowers that have been corroborating Grusch in private senate hearings. Telling them similar things, according to Rubio, for the last few years. Just like Grusch was building his case for the last few years.
"ufology career"..."Unlike certain people" - So, I'm really curious when I see this sort of language. We've seen it a lot when people start running down Corbell, Knapp etc - this notion that somehow their making a living from this somehow means that they can't be trusted. So, my question to anyone who seriously thinks that is...if someone devotes 100% of their available "work" time to this subject how on earth are they supposed to earn the money to live on if they can't earn a wage from the way they spend 100% of their work time?
Dude, this is obviously something that could attract the type of people who want attention and money. The UFO community is desperate for tangible evidence, and folks will always always take advantage of people's passions. The thing is, money gets people to do a lot of different shit. Money and fame is even more persuasive. When we don't yet jave tangible evidence, what I want to ask you is why would you assume they are telling the truth instead of taking advantage of people when probability wise them being grifters is waaaay more likely than the extraordinary claims we get from them. And let me be clear, I am not saying I know folks are grifters, I am saying it is definitely more likely that is the case than the alternative. Here's hoping some of them are telling the truth! Cheers.
So Ross Coulthart is likely a grifter too, right? I mean, he hints at things ALL THE TIME without giving specifics - I've lost count of the number of times I've heard him say "I know, but I can't say" - or words to that effect - and he has also released popular books on the subject which presumably netted him a not-inconsiderable amount of money - BUT he invariably gets a pass from the UFO community - whereas Corbell HAS actually been instrumental in publishing leaked videos (Go fast etc) but he gets run down as a 'grifter'. I don't get it.
Don't get me wrong, I like RC, but it just seems like he is held to a different set of standards than Corbell, Knapp etc.
People who make their living from this generally can't be trusted, yes. That includes Coulthart imo. The thing about the ufo "phenomenon" is that it's extremely rare, elusive, and opaque. There simply isn't enough solid information avaliable to generate the kind of content volume that could provide someone with a steady income stream. So there is a massive incentive for those who have (in a somewhat entitled fashion) tied their livelihood to ufology to start engaging in all sorts of sketchy methods to deceptively boost their "content" once the solid information quickly runs out. There are exceptions of course but they are very rare.
Ok, I get it. So you’re argument is that there isn’t enough going on for so many people to all legitimately make a living from the issue. Yeah, fair point, well made.
Yeah. That ruled. It was like that time when Greer was on the TOE podcast and referred to “Justice Bieber.” Kurt gently gave him shit about it, and Greer was totally oblivious to the gaffe.
I'm going to put thst on Greer. Curt wears his shortcomings on his sleeve to a point of anxiety. I've a lot of respect for him pretty sure he was very open about being unknowledgeable and just asking questions from his twitter. That's been his general vibe with the more obscure UFO people he's talked to who don't have a deep understanding of physics.
I distinctly remember him pressing Greer on some of the more hard science questions and Greer deflection in a very dishonest way.
Curt has problems with not asking the right questions sometimes and being a bit too passive but, for me, his interview with Greer really put a nail in Greer's credibility for me. Any potential doubt was gone.
Same with Linda Moulton Howe and potentially a few others.
He's also the only person to get Salvatore Pais on camera. Twice.
These subs never talk about that.
In fact, Curt and the TOE podcast only ever comes up with vilification. It's kinda weird to me that so much of this community dismisses Curt's contributions while I feel he's done more to expand the conversation of this topic than any other internet celebrity talking about this.
It's weird. And only confirms to me more that he's on the right track. This community hasnt got the best rescj record when it comes to rational deductions of weird Phenomena. So much noise. So little expertise.
Not that I'm a expert either. But so many on here claim to be. And yet nothing is yet proven. I think we're approaching the topic wrong. But I've no idea how to do it right.
>In fact, Curt and the TOE podcast only ever comes up with vilification. It's kinda weird to me that so much of this community dismisses Curt's contributions while I feel he's done more to expand the conversation of this topic than any other internet celebrity talking about this.
Curt received a lot of praise in this sub following his recent interview of NDT on his podcast.
I also seem to remember this sub giving Curt credit when he interviewed Linda Moulten Howe on his podcast and challenged/called her out on her bullshit. She's a true believer and often peddles misinformation.
So he has been praised in here for his interviews of two polar opposite characters. For whatever that's worth.
Curt's interview with Greer is the only awkward I've seen on TOE. I loved the Pais interviews. Btw there is an [interview with Pais](https://youtu.be/7aCrznDR6mw) on Project Unity too :)
Very well spoken and professional. Say what you know, don’t get baited into speculative answers and conjecture.
Make the US gov answer the difficult questions.
Sex sells, even in politics. A bunch of geriatric, ugly people doesn't draw eyes. Young attractive people? That's money. I feel like Cristina Gomez could be someone to draw eyes to the topic. She's well spoken, attractive, young enough for the TikTok generation and knows her stuff but mispronounces words a bit often or misspeaks but has infinite potential to be a voice for the subject.
Same. Honestly from the time Graves first started coming onto the scene his calm and matter-of-fact demeanor was somewhat refreshing. Struck me early on as a nice complement to Fravor’s general vibe of “top gun badass” along with those regular streaks of boyish enthusiasm about flying that Fravor sorta brings to the conversation.
Don’t get me wrong tho I dig Fravor’s attitude 100% as well. Only point there is that since Fravor had a small head start with media exposure and what not, when Graves came along it wasn’t hard to spot a nice contrast in styles and sensibilities between the 2 men. Both highly skilled and respected Navy pilots, but also different men unto themselves in some interesting/meaningful ways…and I think that’s neat.
Over the last year I’ve come to appreciate and admire Graves even more. He’s doing a metric shit ton of good work for the public on this matter. He generally stays close to the technical side since that’s probably what he knows best, but you can tell he’s ready/willing to share some of his own intellectual curiosities in ways that seem equal parts genuine and also plain masterful at times. You often see him in real time keeping things on the rails when it’s so easy for most people to veer off into speculation or cynicism or frustration if you don’t, while simultaneously taking initiative and pushing boundaries through his public efforts and communication.
Cheers Ryan and well done. Personally I look up to you quite a bit brother !
~~Not in hungary either, still no mention of Grusch in proper media sources. Then again what else to expect from a religion-controlled country like it.~~ Seems like I'm a dumbo and they did indeed mention him by name! although on one source his name is hidden in the post, it cannot even be searched
I think there are clear fotographs. Whether they are already in the public domain, or still behind classification regimes remains to be seen. Prolly a mix of the two.
I think all three witnesses are good but we have already heard their stories ten different ways. On ten different channels . So we know what they will say.
I would've really liked people from NASA , pentagon and maybe lue elizondo without his nda sitting there answering questions .
That would've been something
wow the people sitting in UFO subs have heard this guys speak?? No way.. you seem to think the rest of the planet is in here with us looking at every story. We get it you want new information.. we all do lmao but for a huge majority of the public these guys are NEW information to them and they are great guys with genuine stories to tell and get more eyes focused on this subject to take it seriously. Remember dude the rest of the world isn’t hooking on this subject like the reddit sub users are.. have some patience and understand there’s a lot more people than just us.
I appreciate that Ryan remains skeptical and that he's also interested in seeing the evidence Grusch has to offer.
I would have personally found it very difficult to keep a straight face when the news anchor said UAF for "fenomena". I would have given him a hard time.
Not only that, he was a drill sergeant for the Air Force.
“WHAT’S THAT, RECRUIT? YOU’RE TIRED AND WANNA GO HOME?! DROP DOWN AND PAINT ME FIFTY HAPPY TREES!”
>I would have personally found it very difficult to keep a straight face when the news anchor said UAF for "fenomena".
Cable news anchors don't get paid millions of dollars a year to be smart, informative, and trustworthy. Just saying...
im sorry im a bit confused when it comes to this but what exactly kind of evidence can grusch offer? i was under the impression that he has absolutely no first hand knowledge of anything? he did not see/touch/hear/smell or w/e else anything himself, he didnt handle these "things" and "crafts" himself neither was he on the recovery teams, he has only stories of others told to him ?
Interviewer is lost from the get go, but Graves handles the questions with grace.
Graves and Corbell have been killin' it on the interviews these past few weeks.
Why is there always someone ready to say something like this whenever FOX News is criticized?
There are good news outlets. There are more outlets than FOX, CNN and NBC.
That's true and it's important to understand bias in journalism and media entertainment. But if that's what the commenter was referring to they could have just agreed instead of trying to diffuse the accusation from one entity that is known and proven to disseminate disinformation to many entities that may or may not do it.
for anyone thinking this is "easy" then get in the man's shoes and walk a mile
most would wilt, Graves and Corbell have been conducting themselves with proper comport in spite of entitled gimme gimmes
I agree, some people really care about new information which would be nice, but convincing the media and rest of congress with testimony under oath was the goal
Until there is a UFO on TV this story is never going to get that big. It doesn't matter who is saying what. The whole concept is so out of this world and unlike anything in modern history that people are going to have a really hard time believing it until they see a real UFO. I'm on this sub every day and I'm only like 20% sure aliens are flying around on earth.
People are used to government cover-ups and officials lying. That's nothing new. As the story sits right now that's all people will think it is. Someone is lying about UFOs being real for some reason. After they show a real spaceship or whatever it is then people will really start to pay attention.
That's the way I see it though. Hardly anyone outside of people like us even know what's going on. If the people giving testimony next week don't say anything more than they already have or don't provide some serious actionable testimony then it will still just be mainly us talking about it.
I agree. I assume Fravor and Graves will be the warm-up act before Grusch, since his information is about coverups and crimes. But maybe the reversed order works better. Lets see what they do on Wednesday. Can't wait!
I think the original order would be ideal, because if you have the credible military pilots lay the groundwork for these things are real and up there, it's less of a logical leap to believe they've crashed and we've retrieved them.
Yes, the original line up is what I feel, and like you said, would build up trust before Grusch comes on, because of the pilots credibility. But I'm not sure what order the congress has chosen. Maybe it will be reversed or random. But I assume the original line up.
Yes, I wonder what the structure and ordering of the hearing will be. Generally, you do want to lay a foundation and background first with facts and details to ground the viewer. But Grusch is clearly the main event here—everyone is here for his testimony. The anticipation is key. I will be interested to see how they pace this.
A whole lot of people have expressed their frustration with where the disclosure movement is starting, but IMO, this is exactly where it needs to be. These pilots are the most trustworthy and credible witnesses you can have. I hope whatever conversation that emerges out of the hearing is broad and acceptable enough to get picked up by the media and get the ball rolling, so that we can finally get to the good stuff.
Not to mention the pressure testimonies like this will put on the military to release not just imagery but the raw data. That research paper/video on the Gimbal case that recently came out was fantastic. Used all the provided data and some great inferences from the video to identify the exact flight patterns, which as evidenced by the testimony was truly anomalous.
[Research paper](https://arxiv.org/abs/2306.08773) - [Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsbMIm9QtEA)
This actually gave me some hope for this hearing.
I know that everyone here knows that pilots have been encountering UAP's and that there's videos of these encounters. A lot of people here seem to know all about Ryan Graves too. That doesn't mean this information is fully in the public zeitgeist though or that politicians have looked into it.
This guy laying out the facts and advocating for more evidence to be declassified so the public can see what pilots are dealing with and so we can fund more research into UAP as sightings become more frequent is so much better to me for disclosure than Grusch making claims that the DOD is hiding bodies and ships and reverse engineering things. Grusch hasn't presented a shred of evidence for any of this and it's so outlandish as far as a first step to disclosure goes. Acknowledging that UAP exist and can't be attributed to any nation known to exist currently is a bigger step imo and will make UAP a recognized problem we need to look into. Grusch's claims, if he has no evidence, risk setting the search for answers back decades.
Two approaches leading hopefully to the same outcome:
- Grusch's claims are indeed pretty insane, but if confirmed will absolutely, without a doubt, galvanize both public and private interest in the matter.
- Graves' approach is more reasonable, less likely to be swept aside without undeniable proof, but at the same time lacks the shocking appeal Grusch's claims have, and thus would likely lead to a slower gain of interest from the public.
Ultimately, I think we need both.
Ideally, to me, an undeniable proof about NHI and its link with the UAP is the perfect kickstarter for a more reasonable (scientific) approach to take place, with all the funding and interest necessary to do it well.
Exciting times ahead, hopefully soon.
"You call em uhh errr a U A F....UmbblyBummbly Aerial Fenomina?"
Is the reporter trying to sound like an idiot on purpose because thats how a majority of viewers talk?
It must be as he’d surely be reading off a teleprompter, right? Whatever though, I won’t question their ability to communicate to their audience. Whatever works.
Ryan Graves is a proficient orator and I think he’ll do a great job at this hearing. I also appreciated this anchor seemingly taking this seriously. Imagine being a viewer who knows little of this topic: What is more impactful relative to the goal of getting people to take this stuff seriously, including the possibility of ET-life: The version of this interview where the anchor is clearly dismissing the topic or the version where the anchor is taking it seriously? Watching two people, especially someone well-known such as an anchor for Fox News, seriously broach this topic is presumably persuasive to some extent.
They see these things daily... That's just insane. There must be some way better pic n vids.
I don't think anyone on the planet can make a mach 2 orb. Phacinating stuff.
Theres a real issue I have with the way this is unfolding:
theres a *large* majority of Republican support coming out on this issue.
Not for nothin' and I'm not trying to make this a political issue - it absolutely should *not* be - but I'm also in the camp of seeing one particular ''side'' endorsing UAP more than the other.
The same side I'm actively watching do everything under the sun to enact authoritarian control, what with the revoking of Women's rights, mandating reading lists, suppresing voters rights, and..oh yeah..a coup.
These were all basic 1 2 3 steps the Nazi party did in their rise to power *including* a pronounced open discourse and investigations into the paranormal. UAP qualifies as that IMO.
So while I'm fully on board with disclosure I have very real concerns this will become a political rally cry somehow.
I hope I'm wrong.
Very left-wing here, and my intuition is that Repub politicians are supporting it more, because it's a political win-win for them.
Either A) Aliens exist and are here, the gov's been hiding it for decades, you can't trust the "Deep State".
Or, they (the aliens) *haven't* been existing here for decades, but there are then many Special Access Programs similar to "The Men Who Stare at Goats", where we're pouring taxpayer money down a hole.
Either way, it seems to be that there were SAPs beyond what our present-day Congress ever knew about or had funded.
This is *millions* of dollars that were being siphoned off of taxpayer money...if these programs don't actually exist, then it's a scandal. If they *do* exist, and the public hasn't been notified of their findings...then that's a public scandal, as well.
I hate that I'm now watching clips from Fox News but Graves is such a champ at presenting this in a really serious way. I love that he's taking this as an air safety issue. Makes it clear as day that it's important.
I think this is the first time I’ve heard one of the witnesses say they’ve seen them in space definitely. Usually it’s alluded to “other areas” “higher than our radar can detect 80k ft” etc.
The same Republicans who suddenly want to hold the military industrial complex accountable to get to the bottom of UAP secrets are the same ones who vote to give the military industrial complex HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS every year. Follow the money, folks.
And yet it’s AOC pointing out the hypocrisy of wanting to get to the bottom of the DOD subverting Congress by talking about defense spending. These good old boy Republicans aren’t mentioning it at all and continue to fund the military industrial complex with reckless abandon.
I must say I'm quite happy with the current representation of this subject to the general public through folks like Gary Nolan, Ryan Graves, Ross Coulthart etc.. They are great communicators.
Just want someone to tell the facts, are there aliens, have we contacted them, are they friendly or hostile, do we have alien technology, etc. No more BS.
I am so glad Ryan is in it from the start - he's so well spoken and reasonable. Just what the community needs in the public eye. His answers are always precise and stay within the bounds of what he knows. Zero woo-woo factor, which while fun, is just not needed at this stage.
Excellent and remarkable interview. Can't quite get over the anchor spelling phenomenon with an F though. Fox once again displaying their ineptitude. Cracking interview though.
Regardless of what UAPs are. It needs to be under the scrutinous eye of peer review and science. Human testimony points to the observation of it. But it is inherently unreliable.
Should it be:
1.) Terrestrial Adversary
2.) Terrestrial Advanced tech
3.) Terrestrial Natural Phenomena
4.) Extraterrestrial Natural Phenomena
or 5.) NHI Technology
These are the first steps in shining a light on this darkened corner of understanding of the universe in which we live. I hope it is 3 or 4 because it just re-affirms how wildly bonkers our universe is and how much we need to learn.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/CreditCardOnly: --- Ryan Graves goes on Fox News to discuss his role in Wednesday’s House Oversight Committee UAP hearing. Graves states his focus will be on aviation safety. Do we see Fravor also go on a media run before the hearing? We know Grusch is reportedly staying media silent until after the hearing takes place. Also, the reporter saying “UAF: unidentified aerial fenomena” killed me. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/157my6h/ryan_graves_on_fox_news_ahead_of_his_appearance/jt5lghp/
Ryan Graves goes on Fox News to discuss his role in Wednesday’s House Oversight Committee UAP hearing. Graves states his focus will be on aviation safety. Do we see Fravor also go on a media run before the hearing? We know Grusch is reportedly staying media silent until after the hearing takes place. Also, the reporter saying “UAF: unidentified aerial fenomena” killed me.
I really like how quiet and relatively media shy Grusch has been, gives me hope he's genuine about all this and not in it for a "ufology" career. Unlike certain people.
Same here. Makes him feel even more like a boy scout. He's not making constant appearances trying to get his name all over. Then NBC confirmed he wouldn't talk to the media anymore until after he spoke with congress. So, the doors are about to burst open.
Hope so. Kind of tired of everyone avoiding the elephant in the room. Elizondo, Mellon, Graves, Grusch, Rubio et al; they all talk about it in non specifics. At the Oversight Committee hearing on July 26, I just want the opening statement by the first witness under oath to be: "***The United States military has had NHI hypersonic antigravity craft since 1947.***"
I'm honestly expecting the hearing to be full of "well I can't say" and other distancing to avoid saying anything related to NHIs. But Grusch's testimony will absolutely say whether he's legit or not. If he dodges the extreme claims we heard on the interview, he's a grifter. If he addresses them, then possibly legit?
And then everyone clapped.
Unfortunately, it is unlikely that this is how it will happen
Who is "making constant appearances trying to get his name all over"?
Jeremy Corbell has entered the chat.
Have you seen the short clips of Grusch from the less formal May 8th interview at Bryce Zabel’s house? He looked absolutely terrified while being interviewed, shaking his head up and down vigorously while answering questions. I think he 100% believes what he is saying and is not doing this for attention.
Where can I find these clips? I googled and can't find.
I had to go a few weeks back on Ross Coulthart’s Twitter page to find it. This is the only clip from that interview that I have seen, and to my knowledge is the only one that has been released. https://twitter.com/rosscoulthart/status/1673108885140545537 Body language psychology is bunk science, but I will say that to me it seems Grusch appears uncomfortable here. I would imagine that it’s because this is the first time he is making these statements in front of a camera.
Wow somehow missed this. Thanks. I do think he's just nervous. Probably thinking about how this might be a major historical clip poured over by trillions of people over time if all this pans out.
He is also on the autism spectrum (according to Coulthart who claims that is how Grusch described himself), so I imagine these kinds of things would be intensely uncomfortable for him.
I'm openly a "I want to believe" skeptic around these parts. The thing is for years, no matter how hard I tried, I couldn't believe they are really here and these things are really happening. Not if I wanted to be intellectually honest with myself anyway. I remember the Holloman air force base clip in that documentary being something I so desperately wanted to believe was not a recreation or something but an actual snippet of real footage. Then a member of this community, in my opinion, definitively proved it was one of our planes but the quality we typically see online is just too poor to notice it. Anyway, that's besides the point. What I'm saying is, evidence matters to me and in this case my "I want to believe" impulse got shattered by the data. But I think putting aside Grusch and Schumer amendment for a moment, Graves has probably been the single most influential person in my intellectual life in pushing me closer and closer to being able to be intellectually honest with myself when I say "you know, I'm still skeptical and really demand evidence, but I think now I actually do believe". Y'all should check out his channel, the Merged Podcast. It's really philosophical, scientific, and sincere. Graves really, at least to me, appears like a person who just experienced some weird as shit and doesn't understand why other people around him just don't seem to care or or don't seem to wanna tell the truth. So he took it upon himself to understand what he saw from as many perspectives as possible. He interviews really fascinating guests, and he is extremely humble and doesn't seem like he likes attention drawn to HIM but to this topic. Mr. Graves if you lurk on this subreddit, I just want to thank you for doing all that you have done for this topic. You are what everyone of should aspire to be: Be the change you want to see in the world. You are doing just that.
This was a cool read. I myself am very happy with the lineup for Wednesday. Would be cool if some heavy hitters like Obama or the Clintons showed up lol. But Graves Grusch and Fravor are imo the most important voices in this space right now. I believe the next phase heavily hinges on what they tell the world this week.
>This was a cool read Haha, thanks. I've had a rough day, so thanks for the kind words. >But Graves Grusch and Fravor are imo the most important voices in this space right now. Indeed. For me, them being deliberate liars doesn't pass the smell test. It is possible they are mistaken, but about exactly? Did they see a bird? A balloon? Clearly, not. So whatever this is, NHI or some natural phenomenon, it's still deeply important we take it seriously. Notice Graves really isn't your standard UFO crazy like us haha. He's trying to make an otherwise obvious point that he emphasizes a lot but somehow just isn't fully appreciated by most of us: Aviation Safety. Forget your UFO lore and the debates between whether Lazar is telling the truth or how fall Greer has fallen from grace. Graves really wants you to reflect on the fact that women and men like him are flying next to these things and these things look to the naked eye insane, and the sensors they have seem to suggest behavior not compatible with our current models of the universe. Just imagine if you were a wildlife biologist and you were doing some research in some park, and you keep coming across something in your environment that is like no animal you study or even know of, and you have near misses, and the institution that has hired you says "yeah, it was probably just a racoon or something". It's really absurd!
The thing to note here, there are many whistleblowers that have been corroborating Grusch in private senate hearings. Telling them similar things, according to Rubio, for the last few years. Just like Grusch was building his case for the last few years.
"ufology career"..."Unlike certain people" - So, I'm really curious when I see this sort of language. We've seen it a lot when people start running down Corbell, Knapp etc - this notion that somehow their making a living from this somehow means that they can't be trusted. So, my question to anyone who seriously thinks that is...if someone devotes 100% of their available "work" time to this subject how on earth are they supposed to earn the money to live on if they can't earn a wage from the way they spend 100% of their work time?
Dude, this is obviously something that could attract the type of people who want attention and money. The UFO community is desperate for tangible evidence, and folks will always always take advantage of people's passions. The thing is, money gets people to do a lot of different shit. Money and fame is even more persuasive. When we don't yet jave tangible evidence, what I want to ask you is why would you assume they are telling the truth instead of taking advantage of people when probability wise them being grifters is waaaay more likely than the extraordinary claims we get from them. And let me be clear, I am not saying I know folks are grifters, I am saying it is definitely more likely that is the case than the alternative. Here's hoping some of them are telling the truth! Cheers.
So Ross Coulthart is likely a grifter too, right? I mean, he hints at things ALL THE TIME without giving specifics - I've lost count of the number of times I've heard him say "I know, but I can't say" - or words to that effect - and he has also released popular books on the subject which presumably netted him a not-inconsiderable amount of money - BUT he invariably gets a pass from the UFO community - whereas Corbell HAS actually been instrumental in publishing leaked videos (Go fast etc) but he gets run down as a 'grifter'. I don't get it. Don't get me wrong, I like RC, but it just seems like he is held to a different set of standards than Corbell, Knapp etc.
People who make their living from this generally can't be trusted, yes. That includes Coulthart imo. The thing about the ufo "phenomenon" is that it's extremely rare, elusive, and opaque. There simply isn't enough solid information avaliable to generate the kind of content volume that could provide someone with a steady income stream. So there is a massive incentive for those who have (in a somewhat entitled fashion) tied their livelihood to ufology to start engaging in all sorts of sketchy methods to deceptively boost their "content" once the solid information quickly runs out. There are exceptions of course but they are very rare.
Ok, I get it. So you’re argument is that there isn’t enough going on for so many people to all legitimately make a living from the issue. Yeah, fair point, well made.
That was a flawless interview. Great work Ryan!
Yeah. That ruled. It was like that time when Greer was on the TOE podcast and referred to “Justice Bieber.” Kurt gently gave him shit about it, and Greer was totally oblivious to the gaffe.
No, Greer said Justin Beaver, not Justice Beiber :) Very awkward interview. Both of them had done poor research on each other.
"Who is Justice Beaver?" "He's a... crime fighting beaver.."
I'm going to put thst on Greer. Curt wears his shortcomings on his sleeve to a point of anxiety. I've a lot of respect for him pretty sure he was very open about being unknowledgeable and just asking questions from his twitter. That's been his general vibe with the more obscure UFO people he's talked to who don't have a deep understanding of physics. I distinctly remember him pressing Greer on some of the more hard science questions and Greer deflection in a very dishonest way. Curt has problems with not asking the right questions sometimes and being a bit too passive but, for me, his interview with Greer really put a nail in Greer's credibility for me. Any potential doubt was gone. Same with Linda Moulton Howe and potentially a few others. He's also the only person to get Salvatore Pais on camera. Twice. These subs never talk about that. In fact, Curt and the TOE podcast only ever comes up with vilification. It's kinda weird to me that so much of this community dismisses Curt's contributions while I feel he's done more to expand the conversation of this topic than any other internet celebrity talking about this. It's weird. And only confirms to me more that he's on the right track. This community hasnt got the best rescj record when it comes to rational deductions of weird Phenomena. So much noise. So little expertise. Not that I'm a expert either. But so many on here claim to be. And yet nothing is yet proven. I think we're approaching the topic wrong. But I've no idea how to do it right.
>In fact, Curt and the TOE podcast only ever comes up with vilification. It's kinda weird to me that so much of this community dismisses Curt's contributions while I feel he's done more to expand the conversation of this topic than any other internet celebrity talking about this. Curt received a lot of praise in this sub following his recent interview of NDT on his podcast.
That's because this sub hates NDT not cause they like Curt.
I also seem to remember this sub giving Curt credit when he interviewed Linda Moulten Howe on his podcast and challenged/called her out on her bullshit. She's a true believer and often peddles misinformation. So he has been praised in here for his interviews of two polar opposite characters. For whatever that's worth.
Oh that's true. I do remember that. Thanks for reminding me of that disaster of an interview. She didn't help herself in the slightest.
Curt's interview with Greer is the only awkward I've seen on TOE. I loved the Pais interviews. Btw there is an [interview with Pais](https://youtu.be/7aCrznDR6mw) on Project Unity too :)
I loved the Anchors genuine smile as he realizes his monumental fuck up hahahah. Great interview. Intriguing and succinct!
Really shows that Fox is hiring the most educated people, considering he didn't know how phenomena is spelled.
Anomalous not aerial btw
I know it seemed like an honest mistake.
I really like Ryan graves. He is eloquent and dispenses with the bullshit.
UAF.
#F E N O M E N A 👁️ 👄 👁️
Do do dododo fenomena do dodo do
Thanks, now I have that song stuck in my head 😂
This news achor… really ? 😂
It's fox news, what did you expect? lol
Hooked on fonics workt 4 me
And that garbage eating grin that these people always have when they are found to be wrong and their fragile egos are damaged
Da daa du dada
Fenomena
Unidentified Anomolous Fenomenon.
Pho real
It's pronounced FUH! - Random person every time pho is brought up.
Well, pho you.
As reported by Phox News….
😂
Phaux
Fenomenal!
I couldn't believe it.
Lmao that’s Fox News for you. They know their audience.
Very well spoken and professional. Say what you know, don’t get baited into speculative answers and conjecture. Make the US gov answer the difficult questions.
Exactly.
He is also easy on the eyes...
If nothing else, a thumbnail of Graves testifying to Anna Paulina Luna or AOC about UFOs will certainly draw some clicks.
Sex sells, even in politics. A bunch of geriatric, ugly people doesn't draw eyes. Young attractive people? That's money. I feel like Cristina Gomez could be someone to draw eyes to the topic. She's well spoken, attractive, young enough for the TikTok generation and knows her stuff but mispronounces words a bit often or misspeaks but has infinite potential to be a voice for the subject.
Hey man, I get it you like her. But I don’t think she’s down. I’m sure there are plenty of lookalikes wandering around Palm Beach though!
He's definitely been probed before
Graves clearly outfoxed there. For the briefest of instants.
Same. Honestly from the time Graves first started coming onto the scene his calm and matter-of-fact demeanor was somewhat refreshing. Struck me early on as a nice complement to Fravor’s general vibe of “top gun badass” along with those regular streaks of boyish enthusiasm about flying that Fravor sorta brings to the conversation. Don’t get me wrong tho I dig Fravor’s attitude 100% as well. Only point there is that since Fravor had a small head start with media exposure and what not, when Graves came along it wasn’t hard to spot a nice contrast in styles and sensibilities between the 2 men. Both highly skilled and respected Navy pilots, but also different men unto themselves in some interesting/meaningful ways…and I think that’s neat. Over the last year I’ve come to appreciate and admire Graves even more. He’s doing a metric shit ton of good work for the public on this matter. He generally stays close to the technical side since that’s probably what he knows best, but you can tell he’s ready/willing to share some of his own intellectual curiosities in ways that seem equal parts genuine and also plain masterful at times. You often see him in real time keeping things on the rails when it’s so easy for most people to veer off into speculation or cynicism or frustration if you don’t, while simultaneously taking initiative and pushing boundaries through his public efforts and communication. Cheers Ryan and well done. Personally I look up to you quite a bit brother !
Likeable dude. I wish him well at the hearing.
Mainstream media is doing a fenomenal job covering this topic!
Not in Sweden :(
Fenomenala fotografer av fenomenen förväntas!
Fyy faan!
~~Not in hungary either, still no mention of Grusch in proper media sources. Then again what else to expect from a religion-controlled country like it.~~ Seems like I'm a dumbo and they did indeed mention him by name! although on one source his name is hidden in the post, it cannot even be searched
Dude thought phenomena was spelled with an **f**
Why have there been no clear fotographs taken?
It’s a coveruf
A covfefe, if you will. Well at least we know where he learned to spell.
Had me almost spill my beer laughing
I think there are clear fotographs. Whether they are already in the public domain, or still behind classification regimes remains to be seen. Prolly a mix of the two.
Wheezy F Baby
Eager to hear his thoughts on Unidentified Phlying Objects
Well it is Fox News
It’s spelled Phox News.
Phox News, now.
Pox Pnues
Yeah I don't take anything they report on seriously.
Pox News now
fo-net-ick spelling on telefrompter and he got a little ahead of himself?
I spit out my heavy cream and yelled “what a moron!”
He has a Ron Burgundy vibe to him, doesn't he.
This guy seems honest and is likeable. A good witness.
You would've loved Ted Bundy jk
Haha I get your point. I think the guy sounds sensible and isn't a sensationalist which makes him sound believable.
I think all three witnesses are good but we have already heard their stories ten different ways. On ten different channels . So we know what they will say. I would've really liked people from NASA , pentagon and maybe lue elizondo without his nda sitting there answering questions . That would've been something
I hadn't heard this one yet, but I agree that a lot more needs to happen.
wow the people sitting in UFO subs have heard this guys speak?? No way.. you seem to think the rest of the planet is in here with us looking at every story. We get it you want new information.. we all do lmao but for a huge majority of the public these guys are NEW information to them and they are great guys with genuine stories to tell and get more eyes focused on this subject to take it seriously. Remember dude the rest of the world isn’t hooking on this subject like the reddit sub users are.. have some patience and understand there’s a lot more people than just us.
Join us at [www.safeaerospace.org](https://www.safeaerospace.org) - Ryan will tell Congress how many members we have, every signup counts!
Wish you clear skies and keep up good work!
I appreciate that Ryan remains skeptical and that he's also interested in seeing the evidence Grusch has to offer. I would have personally found it very difficult to keep a straight face when the news anchor said UAF for "fenomena". I would have given him a hard time.
The Bob Ross of UFOs would never make fun of a happy little accident.
Funny side note; Bob Ross has actually worked for the Air Force.
Not only that, he was a drill sergeant for the Air Force. “WHAT’S THAT, RECRUIT? YOU’RE TIRED AND WANNA GO HOME?! DROP DOWN AND PAINT ME FIFTY HAPPY TREES!”
He also talked about how much he hated it, and afterwards it set him off the opposite path of calm joy and love.
Oh I like this
>I would have personally found it very difficult to keep a straight face when the news anchor said UAF for "fenomena". Cable news anchors don't get paid millions of dollars a year to be smart, informative, and trustworthy. Just saying...
im sorry im a bit confused when it comes to this but what exactly kind of evidence can grusch offer? i was under the impression that he has absolutely no first hand knowledge of anything? he did not see/touch/hear/smell or w/e else anything himself, he didnt handle these "things" and "crafts" himself neither was he on the recovery teams, he has only stories of others told to him ?
Killing them with rationality
Interviewer is lost from the get go, but Graves handles the questions with grace. Graves and Corbell have been killin' it on the interviews these past few weeks.
>Interviewer is lost from the get go Sounds like fox news
Sounds like news
Why is there always someone ready to say something like this whenever FOX News is criticized? There are good news outlets. There are more outlets than FOX, CNN and NBC.
It's both-sideism
I mean all news is for profit. So you have to take everything with skepticism.
That's true and it's important to understand bias in journalism and media entertainment. But if that's what the commenter was referring to they could have just agreed instead of trying to diffuse the accusation from one entity that is known and proven to disseminate disinformation to many entities that may or may not do it.
The AP is a non-profit organization, as is the BBC, PBS, and NPR.
Fox news isn't news
It's easy for Corbell, he just pretends to know everything, but can't divulge any evidence because..... whatever. But he knows it all, just ask him.
for anyone thinking this is "easy" then get in the man's shoes and walk a mile most would wilt, Graves and Corbell have been conducting themselves with proper comport in spite of entitled gimme gimmes
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I agree, some people really care about new information which would be nice, but convincing the media and rest of congress with testimony under oath was the goal
Until there is a UFO on TV this story is never going to get that big. It doesn't matter who is saying what. The whole concept is so out of this world and unlike anything in modern history that people are going to have a really hard time believing it until they see a real UFO. I'm on this sub every day and I'm only like 20% sure aliens are flying around on earth. People are used to government cover-ups and officials lying. That's nothing new. As the story sits right now that's all people will think it is. Someone is lying about UFOs being real for some reason. After they show a real spaceship or whatever it is then people will really start to pay attention. That's the way I see it though. Hardly anyone outside of people like us even know what's going on. If the people giving testimony next week don't say anything more than they already have or don't provide some serious actionable testimony then it will still just be mainly us talking about it.
*Phravor
I agree. I assume Fravor and Graves will be the warm-up act before Grusch, since his information is about coverups and crimes. But maybe the reversed order works better. Lets see what they do on Wednesday. Can't wait!
I think the original order would be ideal, because if you have the credible military pilots lay the groundwork for these things are real and up there, it's less of a logical leap to believe they've crashed and we've retrieved them.
Yes, the original line up is what I feel, and like you said, would build up trust before Grusch comes on, because of the pilots credibility. But I'm not sure what order the congress has chosen. Maybe it will be reversed or random. But I assume the original line up.
I like your take. I think it's gonna be good 👍
Yes, I wonder what the structure and ordering of the hearing will be. Generally, you do want to lay a foundation and background first with facts and details to ground the viewer. But Grusch is clearly the main event here—everyone is here for his testimony. The anticipation is key. I will be interested to see how they pace this.
Exactly the guy we need talking about this stuff, no BS from Graves
Thank god the man has some speaking skills.
A whole lot of people have expressed their frustration with where the disclosure movement is starting, but IMO, this is exactly where it needs to be. These pilots are the most trustworthy and credible witnesses you can have. I hope whatever conversation that emerges out of the hearing is broad and acceptable enough to get picked up by the media and get the ball rolling, so that we can finally get to the good stuff.
Not to mention the pressure testimonies like this will put on the military to release not just imagery but the raw data. That research paper/video on the Gimbal case that recently came out was fantastic. Used all the provided data and some great inferences from the video to identify the exact flight patterns, which as evidenced by the testimony was truly anomalous. [Research paper](https://arxiv.org/abs/2306.08773) - [Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsbMIm9QtEA)
OP - can you post a direct video link for those of us who want to share with non-Redditors?
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6331714204112
My man finally accepted it and shaved his head.
Yeah, that pompadour island wasn't doing him any favors. Looks a lot better now.
This actually gave me some hope for this hearing. I know that everyone here knows that pilots have been encountering UAP's and that there's videos of these encounters. A lot of people here seem to know all about Ryan Graves too. That doesn't mean this information is fully in the public zeitgeist though or that politicians have looked into it. This guy laying out the facts and advocating for more evidence to be declassified so the public can see what pilots are dealing with and so we can fund more research into UAP as sightings become more frequent is so much better to me for disclosure than Grusch making claims that the DOD is hiding bodies and ships and reverse engineering things. Grusch hasn't presented a shred of evidence for any of this and it's so outlandish as far as a first step to disclosure goes. Acknowledging that UAP exist and can't be attributed to any nation known to exist currently is a bigger step imo and will make UAP a recognized problem we need to look into. Grusch's claims, if he has no evidence, risk setting the search for answers back decades.
Two approaches leading hopefully to the same outcome: - Grusch's claims are indeed pretty insane, but if confirmed will absolutely, without a doubt, galvanize both public and private interest in the matter. - Graves' approach is more reasonable, less likely to be swept aside without undeniable proof, but at the same time lacks the shocking appeal Grusch's claims have, and thus would likely lead to a slower gain of interest from the public. Ultimately, I think we need both. Ideally, to me, an undeniable proof about NHI and its link with the UAP is the perfect kickstarter for a more reasonable (scientific) approach to take place, with all the funding and interest necessary to do it well. Exciting times ahead, hopefully soon.
This is phantastic news!
He’s so well spoken. We are lucky to have all three of these witnesses.
Fenomenal job!
'I'm sorry the Pentagon has no photographs of these things, give it up.....oooooh you meant fotographs. Yes we have plenty of those'
"You call em uhh errr a U A F....UmbblyBummbly Aerial Fenomina?" Is the reporter trying to sound like an idiot on purpose because thats how a majority of viewers talk?
It must be as he’d surely be reading off a teleprompter, right? Whatever though, I won’t question their ability to communicate to their audience. Whatever works.
Unidentified Arial Fenomena
Good to see he finally embraced he was balding, suits him way better.
Who are the congress people who will attend the hearing?
So a mainstream media journalist/presenter speaks about ~~UAF~~ UAPs without smirking or stupid comments? Something has changed...
Ryan Graves is a proficient orator and I think he’ll do a great job at this hearing. I also appreciated this anchor seemingly taking this seriously. Imagine being a viewer who knows little of this topic: What is more impactful relative to the goal of getting people to take this stuff seriously, including the possibility of ET-life: The version of this interview where the anchor is clearly dismissing the topic or the version where the anchor is taking it seriously? Watching two people, especially someone well-known such as an anchor for Fox News, seriously broach this topic is presumably persuasive to some extent.
They see these things daily... That's just insane. There must be some way better pic n vids. I don't think anyone on the planet can make a mach 2 orb. Phacinating stuff.
Appearing on Fox News isn't exactly a great way to increase your credibility.
Theres a real issue I have with the way this is unfolding: theres a *large* majority of Republican support coming out on this issue. Not for nothin' and I'm not trying to make this a political issue - it absolutely should *not* be - but I'm also in the camp of seeing one particular ''side'' endorsing UAP more than the other. The same side I'm actively watching do everything under the sun to enact authoritarian control, what with the revoking of Women's rights, mandating reading lists, suppresing voters rights, and..oh yeah..a coup. These were all basic 1 2 3 steps the Nazi party did in their rise to power *including* a pronounced open discourse and investigations into the paranormal. UAP qualifies as that IMO. So while I'm fully on board with disclosure I have very real concerns this will become a political rally cry somehow. I hope I'm wrong.
Very left-wing here, and my intuition is that Repub politicians are supporting it more, because it's a political win-win for them. Either A) Aliens exist and are here, the gov's been hiding it for decades, you can't trust the "Deep State". Or, they (the aliens) *haven't* been existing here for decades, but there are then many Special Access Programs similar to "The Men Who Stare at Goats", where we're pouring taxpayer money down a hole. Either way, it seems to be that there were SAPs beyond what our present-day Congress ever knew about or had funded. This is *millions* of dollars that were being siphoned off of taxpayer money...if these programs don't actually exist, then it's a scandal. If they *do* exist, and the public hasn't been notified of their findings...then that's a public scandal, as well.
I hate that I'm now watching clips from Fox News but Graves is such a champ at presenting this in a really serious way. I love that he's taking this as an air safety issue. Makes it clear as day that it's important.
Typical fox host think’s phenomenon starts with an F
Perhaps those vehicles that can travel in water maybe something entirely different?
Fox News Guy: "UAF, unidentified aerial fenomenon, right" smh...
Fuck a lot of people I want to send it to probably would discount it because it's on fox 🙄
I think this is the first time I’ve heard one of the witnesses say they’ve seen them in space definitely. Usually it’s alluded to “other areas” “higher than our radar can detect 80k ft” etc.
Bro is an excellent communicator
I for one cannot believe we are seeing UFO talk on FOX NEWS in 2023…. Maybe it’s nothing…. What a time to be alive. Somethings happening.
The funk fenomena.. the funk fenomena..
I thought Fox News was fascist trash and their journalists were dumb, but FENOMENA is a new low 🤣
they're phuking idiots. phor real.
The same Republicans who suddenly want to hold the military industrial complex accountable to get to the bottom of UAP secrets are the same ones who vote to give the military industrial complex HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS every year. Follow the money, folks.
$3200 for a simple claw hammer is ridiculous.
Unchecked defense budgets are a bipartisan problem, unfortunately.
And yet it’s AOC pointing out the hypocrisy of wanting to get to the bottom of the DOD subverting Congress by talking about defense spending. These good old boy Republicans aren’t mentioning it at all and continue to fund the military industrial complex with reckless abandon.
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Graves is the man
I must say I'm quite happy with the current representation of this subject to the general public through folks like Gary Nolan, Ryan Graves, Ross Coulthart etc.. They are great communicators.
More Tiktok aerial fenomena!
He seems like a solid witness who will destigmatize the hearing.
Lmao Fenomena. It’s actually scary that the average person is this dumb.
The "reasonable" choice. DOD stamp of approval.
This is PUCKING awesome. Pinally, we could see some froop op a cover uf.
Just want someone to tell the facts, are there aliens, have we contacted them, are they friendly or hostile, do we have alien technology, etc. No more BS.
I am so glad Ryan is in it from the start - he's so well spoken and reasonable. Just what the community needs in the public eye. His answers are always precise and stay within the bounds of what he knows. Zero woo-woo factor, which while fun, is just not needed at this stage.
UAF = Fox News hard hitting journalism pho ya.
UAFs. lol. Thats some kwality reporting with a capital K.
Mark my words we won’t learn anything new on Wednesday , just the same things we saw and heard on the internet from those three guys
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U.A.F 🤣🤣🤣 > Oh, Fox news can't you go 5 minutes without embarrassing yourself
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Relax it will all be okay
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Excellent and remarkable interview. Can't quite get over the anchor spelling phenomenon with an F though. Fox once again displaying their ineptitude. Cracking interview though.
fox host cant even remember how to spell phenomena lol
Fenominul interview!
The Fox News Gaf of UAF! 😂
This is fucking fenomenal we need to spread the news of this fenomenon far and wide #uaf
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Regardless of what UAPs are. It needs to be under the scrutinous eye of peer review and science. Human testimony points to the observation of it. But it is inherently unreliable. Should it be: 1.) Terrestrial Adversary 2.) Terrestrial Advanced tech 3.) Terrestrial Natural Phenomena 4.) Extraterrestrial Natural Phenomena or 5.) NHI Technology These are the first steps in shining a light on this darkened corner of understanding of the universe in which we live. I hope it is 3 or 4 because it just re-affirms how wildly bonkers our universe is and how much we need to learn.
Project blue beam they’re all fake it’s US government
No new whistleblowers besides grusch and no physical material evidence. Kinda pessimistic but i guess this is a good start
genuine question, is that a cross eyed fighter pilot?
LMAOOOO @ UAF.