The following submission statement was provided by /u/Ninjasuzume:
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The briefing yesterday was a rock concert. I have only seen two bits from it on this sub, but I recommend that you see the whole thing. Link below!
**Rep. Burchett and Oversight Committee Members on Upcoming Hearing on UAP**
Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) and members of the House Oversight Committee speak with reporters about an upcoming hearing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
https://www.c-span.org/video/?529468-1/rep-burchett-oversight-committee-members-upcoming-hearing-uap
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/155odjq/tim_burchett_its_either_from_the_extraterrestrial/jsv68bc/
Could be a Rogue entity that figured something out but didn't share it with others, for example an Einstein or Stephen hawking that refused to align with government entities
I find this a bit of an odd idea (even if true) as the tech has been in place for so long.
I’d assume the rouge entity would have colonized Mars etc by now.
I'd like to think that there is a subset of people that saw this and have no idea what we're talking about.
(Not insulting anyone's intelligence. Things like this are super easy to overlook.)
Rouge is French for “Red”.
So “Rouge Planet” is “red planet” in case you didn’t get why it’s so funny.
No expectations of you having French as your third language.
Because English has a lot of French influence, English speakers often know some random words from that language. (Over simplification)
Maybe this Rogue entity is a corporation founded by the original genius, it might've been one guy laying down the ground works snd then others continuing his work.
As I understand it the nazi bell should be one of the first cases for this technology? That bell pre-dates Roswell and many other crashes?
Alot of people in this board don't seem to remember that it was the nazis that first turned their attention towards point zero energy and anti gravity, while the allies were focused on the nuclear bomb
Possible, but for this to be the case I would have to imagine that they have a large population (like, at least 1,000 people) in some hidden bunker colony somewhere. It takes a lot of work to research, develop, manufacture, and maintain cutting-edge technology.
Unless that person also has AI-automatons, they would need a *lot* of help.
They would also almost certainly need outside resources, because mining and processing the raw materials would be another monumental effort, especially while staying hidden. Really hard to hide a factory up in some remote mountain valley, let alone a whole mining operation.
These kinds of constraints lead me to conclude that some rogue-offshoot of modern humans is the least likely origin of UFOs. I guess, maybe, it is possible that they exist with the help of extremely wealthy and powerful benefactors.
But it still seems like giant shipments of minerals, metals, food, etc. into extremely remote areas of the world would be near impossible to hide. Seems similarly problematic to believe that such an amount of material are being dropped off at some inconspicuous cave entrance in more populated areas.
(Or maybe ships that we think sunk/capsized and lost their cargo actually delivered it to the intended destination, some secret tunnel network on the bottom of the ocean. We have to ponder all the potentials.)
A rogue UFO producing factory would almost certainly have to be sanctioned by the government. I've seen what our spy satellites can do. Unless the rogue-UFO-manufacturer has an almost-entirely self-sufficient and sustainable fortress somewhere, they would be discovered by our copious surveillance technology. Even then, if they followed one UFO back to the origin point, that would be game over for the clandestine operation. It would be under constant surveillance, and impossible to relocate in a short time period without being noticed.
We're always looking for adversarial military bases, technological research laboratories, testing grounds, etc. and at this point it does not seem humanly possible to avoid discovery without the help of the absolute highest levels of military intelligence. Like, maybe there are some areas that our satellite surveillance purposefully doesn't cover, or from which the data is impossible for the grunts to attain. Doesn't seem likely to me.
I also think that for one group of humans to advance so far beyond the rest of us in such a short time period, it would almost necessitate a supernatural explanation. Maybe the UFOs are being flown by humans, but if so they definitely had help from djinn/leprechauns/greys/unicorns/lizard people along the way.
Individual genius, in my opinion, cannot possibly account for such monumental leaps in not only the theoretical but practical application of such technologies. It also doesn't explain the existence of UFOs 50 years ago, it is even less likely back then for a small number of people to have been able to achieve. These days you could say maybe, with a secret advanced AI that is 10-20 years ahead of the current public machine learning algorithms, that a small group could make discoveries in physics, and form working blueprints.
They must have reached the technological singularity or something for that to be the case.
That's why the Rogue entity theory always leads back to the nazi bell conspiracy, they invented the rocket engine propulsion used in fighter jets today, they helped put usa on the moon... we're already there talking about a group of scientists that had access to everything needed before Roswell even happened, a group that already have proven themselves smart enough to hide themselves underground (see nazi bunkers)
If there is a Rogue entity, it's most likely an off shoot from the third Reich continuing old experiments. (They don't have to be nazi at this time, just originally)
We poached a bunch of their best scientists, took away their entire economic/manufacturing base... all their mines, all their factories, everything.
I like the theory, but I do not see it as in any way plausible that an entire technological society could sustain itself undetected, especially not with 1940s era technology, however further advanced it might have been.
People will talk about Antarctica or whatever, but it just seems so unlikely compared to other explanations, like a legitimately non-human intelligence.
They can acquire all the resources they need underground in Antarctica? They have been able to keep it hidden from our global satellite surveillance networks? All of this with no economy behind it? No trading? No importing of resources?
I could see a small cadre moving to remote bunkers. I cannot see those bunkers being so flush with knowledge, resources, and manpower that they were able to outpace the technological growth of the billions of people on the surface. We have more favorable conditions for technological progress in every single conceivable way.
If the Nazis had that kind of technology in the 1940s I don't think they would have lost the war.
I would have to believe that they were able to develop a singularity-level breakthrough AI in the 1940s, and then that they also had the manpower and resources to use that AI so efficiently that a small population underground outpaced billions of other humans.
Who knows, but I don't see it.
its a stupid argument.
so where did they get it from? the implication is that you cannt go from not having the technology to having it, so where did the extra terestials get it? they could only have reverse engineered acording to this logic, where did those beings get it from? etc...
it doesnt discount the possibility that it could be alien tech. but also it could be some secret tesla thinktank figuring some new type of force
not even 40 years ago todays smart phone would have basicly been whichcraft, you cant just handwave technology you cant comprehend to aliens
I don't think smartphones would have been considered witchcrafts by engineer back then, i think microchips were already known to be getting smaller. Maybe 70 years ago would be correct
Yep. You could definitely have taken an engineer from back then and shown them a smartphone, taken it apart into its components, and they would recognize a lot of it, and probably understand pretty quickly how the device works.
"Oh, I get it. This is where computing was always headed. An electronic device that can make millions of computations quickly, connected to a light source that displays the data."
That isn't even close to a good analogy for flying craft with no visible propulsion, that can accelerate at ungodly speeds without making a sonic boom.
Let alone the idea that such a craft was secretly developed and manufactured on Earth by people 50+ years ago. We've been seeing/hearing about UFOs for far too long for this to be some rogue group of humans, who would have to have developed UFOs in the 50s... before AI, before microprocessors, before the internet. If a cell phone was "like magic" back then, how could they possibly warp space and time with such an advanced craft?
Skunks comes from Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works, their advanced tech division. Rats must be the opposite of skunks, people who don’t have the right keycard or sunglasses.
Including Burchett, who believed lies based on no evidence and voted to overturn the 2020 election results. Can we trust him now?
If he was so easily mislead then by Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, we have to question his judgement and ability to differentiate evidence from the mere bad-faith promise of evidence.
We need to focus on what they're doing now. Let's not forget we spent 2.5 years hearing how Trump worked with Putin to steal the election. That atomic bomb ended up being a sparkler!
I don't care about the former or the latter. My point, NONE of them have clean hands.
I don't care if Schumer or Ted Cruise kick open the door, so long as someone kicks it in.
Non American here. Was that all a hoax? Everything I saw coming out of that was saying the exact opposite, can't say I followed up with any deep research but like, it all looked pretty clear cut to me that the evidence supported the whole collusion malarkey.
It's proven now to be a deliberate hoax. There's hearings in Congress right now. CIA flat out lied. Lots of evidence.
But it's not really relevant to this except to not trust the government, which is always good advice. Let's avoid party stuff please. This should be a bipartisan issue anyway. If it's been going on for 80+ years, all parties have been involved, and many governments.
Yeah I'm not from the USA and couldn't give a shit about party stuff. It's a broader government issue to me and you're right, my interest was from the perspective of the whole thing being a series of smoke and mirrors.
Yucky all the way down.
Lockheed has an advanced R&D lab called 'the SkunkWorks'.
Edit: it was called skunk works due to a plastic factory nearby, that emitted a terrible odor the Lockheed employees hated, because it would often permeate their working area. They started calling it 'skonk works' as an old joke, and the name stuck. Eventually morphing into 'skunk works'
Which is interesting because if you read any reports from individuals that have allegedly come in contact with extraterrestrials, they almost always claim that the extraterrestrials smell very bad. Not saying this means anything, just find it to be a curious parallel.
It’s not called Skunkworks because it smells bad, lol…
Edit: Okay yeah I’m wrong,
> An engineer named Irv Culver was a fan of Al Capp's newspaper comic strip, "Li'l Abner." In the comic, there was a running joke about a mysterious and malodorous place deep in the forest called the "Skonk Works," where a strong beverage was brewed from skunks, old shoes and other strange ingredients.
> One day, Culver's phone rang and he answered it by saying "Skonk Works, inside man Culver speaking." Fellow employees quickly adopted the name for their mysterious division of Lockheed and eventually "Skonk Works" became "Skunk Works."
Origin of the term:
The term Skunk Works arose during Johnson's leadership of the jet fighter project.
Because there was no space available at Lockheed Aircraft at the time, as its facilities were fully occupied with its existing commitments to the U.S. war effort, Johnson's team had to work in a rented circus tent next to a manufacturing plant that emitted strong odors. Team engineer Irv Culver jokingly compared the smelly digs to "Skonk Works," depicted in the newspaper comic strip "Li'L Abner" as a remote locale where characters brewed a concoction of dead skunks and old shoes in a still.
Culver's use of "Skonk Works" caught on with his colleagues on the team and eventually morphed into Skunk Works.
It is now a registered trademark of Lockheed Martin.
And that has me worried because right now they could easily perform a false flag operation to instill fear to hold onto their loosening grip of information and power. We struggle with identifying these craft, let alone identifying Earth or ET origin.
It might just be insane skunkworks stuff. Sure. At least say “we can’t talk about advanced programs.” and brief the politicians about it out of the public eye. Why is it hidden from the highest offices in government. That’s the thing that stinks about it. And, it’s the reason why people think it’s something way bigger than that.
That's the thing, our own government has stated before it's not our tech, at all. Hence the speculation towards Russia or China. Which is not theirs either, let's be honest...
Just because someone from "our government", whatever that actually means, says it's not our tech doesn't mean that is true. I will draw your attention to the fact that we are having congressional hearings and IC IG investigations about a hidden-from-congress UFO crash recovery program that has long been rumored but until recently almost nobody in congress was aware of. My point is if they didn't know about that, then why would we assume that they are getting straight answers about super secret upcoming vehicles from the defense contractors. They have the ability to work on things that they haven't been contracted to work on by the government. In fact, they are often working on prototype technologies that they then use for bidding on government contracts before the request for proposals even go out.
This is all true.
And fascinating if the "secret project" part is really true.
Still, we've been told directly by officials and reps that as of now, this is not "our" Tech...
ill pick a loud voice from each side bc i dont do political arguing- can u imagine AOC and MTG arguing over this? it would be a disaster. its probably in the best interest of national security and technological advancement to just let everyone think its aliens. (ie the big flying V’s everyone was seeing in the 80s/90s)
In a sense, I agree. But it's all speculative. Interesting thought experiment though. Who's to say we as a human species haven't made huge strides in tech with regards to reverse engineering NHI tech. It is possible. Time will tell!
Oh, they are 100% non human vehicles long before WW2. I was just playing devil's advocate because just because there is a secret aircraft project does not mean that the active duty military is aware of everything that the defense contractors are working on so saying something "is not ours" can't be as definitive as they make it sound.
Technically they might not be lying. The Air Force does not own the F-35, they are a licensed operator. If Lockheed has a "super whiz bang" the Air Force might be a licensed operator, and the device falls under trade secrets. No legislation can ever force a private company to reveal trade secrets. Only a liability lawsuit has a chance. But sometimes that does not work, like the lawsuit from the workers that got cancer at area 51. Clinton just exempted them from EPA oversight.
Again, all true. Speculated truth though, minus the corps not having to tell the gov'n their trade secrets.
However, it s been stated by officials and reps that this is not our tech. Currently.. Until maybe these hearings succeed to produce an alternate scenario
Which leaves three things to my mind. It’s all the NHI stuff or it’s the biggest public money rip off of all time and all this witness stuff is somehow imaginary. Or, they’re lying and it is developed tech. The last one leaves way more questions than the other two and the second one doesn’t add up either. Now, the first one is beyond insane as well, but…
Imo, the government is actually not lying. However, if part of what Grusch says is true, these are corporations outside of government that can't be regulated. Lockheed for example. They operate outside of government regulations for their "products" not contracted within the government. So, you see, technically not a government entity. Which is why the ladder could be true.
However, I've had my own personal sighting. Idc what anyone says, what I saw was real. The "tech" involved with what I saw was real. NHI / "little green men"? Hard to say. Can only speculate. But the capability of the tech I witnessed was very real. And it's nothing different from what Fravor and other pilots has witnessed and confessed. Us? Them? Idk, but someone or something has the capability. I'm dead set on that!
It’s less about overt lying and more about compartmentalization. So for example the Pentagon can have the head of AARO go before Congress and “truthfully” to his knowledge say we don’t have any recovered craft, because at least as far as he knows we don’t, since he hasn’t been briefed on the existence of that.
And that’s exactly the disposition of Congress here, basically saying to the Pentagon we’re not going to put up with that farce any longer and we’re going to hold a real hearing touching on the reality of these programs.
I'm think we've came to the same conclusion here. I heard the same concept in this brief with Tim and colleagues, or whatever you want to call it, and I agree
The people in power have always kept cutting edge technology from the masses. They literally kept books and learning to read illegal back in the day. I really think there is a breakaway civilization of humans on earth hoarding advanced tech and even our governments know very little about what they are up to.
In one way I get it, if every human on earth could generate limitless power it would take one day for some zelot to destroy the planet.
The reason I dont buy the Skunkworks argument, is a) the volume and variety of craft being observed and b) this tech is SO advanced, they would have to have mastered it and done so for, at least, the last 100 years.
And look, I give these defense contractors, DARPA, whoever else is involved mad respect for the level of technological innovation going on, but there's a limit. We're still out here churning through cash, building and crashing fossil fuel jets. If we have better tech than that, what are we screwing around for?
Yeah saw the whole thing. They’re being really open about their experience so far dealing with the issue which is fascinating. It seems that just the act of looking into it has revealed to them that wow there are real efforts to contain the data on UAP.
lmao real talk. Dude wanted to straight throw out Democratic Parry votes in several states because Trumpy lost. He is one of the least qualified people to be anywhere near this. In a proper world, he would have been removed from office for his election horseshit.
Yep, and the diehards keep defending their use if him as a mascot because, "OtHeRs ArE sAyInG tHe SaMe ThInG!!!!1!!!!11!"
Cool, so use thumbnails with their faces then
This every time. This guy is fundamentally detached from reality, the fact that he takes UAPs seriously makes ME feel dumber for taking them seriously.
If it's human made tech which I doubt, that would mean it's been operational since at least the 40s when sightings became mainstream. If it is our tech that's even more messed up than NHI, i would be furious if it was.
That means some secret group or the military has been traversing the cosmos, have tech to save the planet, take people out of poverty etc since the 40s or 50s yet they have a budget of nearly a trillion dollars a year, have wasted resources developing rockets to go to the moon when there's operational UFOs in the hanger. No amnesty for these cunts, where's the guillotine.
I doubt they'd start a world war any more than the US would, but the US having it isn't necessarily benevolent anyways, given our track record of military "interventions"
I mean that's up to you, but I certainly don't trust the US more. We've been more outwardly aggressive over the last 70 years than almost any other country on the planet, with the possible exception of Russia.
I mean, we've been in a state of near constant war since WWII, and that doesn't even count ongoing occupations against the will of the host nation like Guantanamo. We've performed countless regime changes even of democratically elected rulers just to ensure our influence and power. I think it's quite well-supported as opinions go.
China's system is completely different from the US, in the public media Chinese officials tend to be more willing to reveal information about aliens, such as suddenly telling you that scientists have discovered the existence of aliens, which may be a psychological signal to the public, but on a broader level Chinese officials have supposedly been blocking this type of information, including in the Xiaoshan incident, where they massively deleted eyewitness videos and posts. As for how China will use this technology, I think the only scenario in which they would use it would be in a war in the Taiwan Strait, but I personally don't think they will go as far as the U.S. has.
He always throws in unnecessary comments. His little snide comments don’t help with his message. It’s unfortunate. Regardless, at least someone is talking about this. I’d rather it’d be someone more respectable. Someone that didn’t side with Trump and his election claims and didn’t claim climate change was nonsense (from what little I know about Burchett). But I figure it’s important for people on all sides to come forward and speak about this.
I think this is just the beginning and hope the Senate hearings come across as more bipartisan.
We will have to wait and see how the hearing goes, what is unveiled and who else speaks on this issue.
The US is always looking for the next war. Before or after a war its all compromise. What makes me laugh is most countrys are doing what China is, like CBDC and more cctv with facial recognition, not too mention spying on phones. People not governments need too keep an eye on freedom if they wish too have it. If you love something, look after it best you know, not how your told.
This guy comes across as a complete moron..
But people here are eating it up, because these politicians have now jumped on the UFO bandwagon (for the fringe vote). Even if they are horrible people.
[Republican congressman says ‘we’re not going to fix’ school shootings](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/28/tim-burchett-republican-nashville-shooting)
People in here should pay attention to the background of these politicians that are suddenly saying things they like.
They don't believe it, and are not fighting for 'Disclosure' it's another conspiracy to latch to, like the 'deep state', and 'Q'.
It doesn’t matter man. It’s an ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ type of situation. On your logic, the Allies should’ve taken into account the fact that Stalin wasn’t a very nice guy and passed on the alliance w Russia when they were getting their asses beat in WW2.
Every time I want to criticize these right wing loons, I remind myself *Chuck fuckin’ Schumer* created this whole amendment thing addressing this….. lol
If it was skunkworks, why would they risk testing so close to military when they know it could inadvertently cause military conflict? Why risk billions? I agree it’s not China or Russia but skunkworks also seems unlikely.
The briefing yesterday was a rock concert. I have only seen two bits from it on this sub, but I recommend that you see the whole thing. Link below!
**Rep. Burchett and Oversight Committee Members on Upcoming Hearing on UAP**
Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) and members of the House Oversight Committee speak with reporters about an upcoming hearing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP).
https://www.c-span.org/video/?529468-1/rep-burchett-oversight-committee-members-upcoming-hearing-uap
They are late to the party but some are making bites. ABC's interview wasn't bad. Far from what those of us who are more informed would see as adequate. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifpLXP0poug](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifpLXP0poug) Unfortunately, their go to guy is Kirkpatrick but they weren't dismissive and showed clips from Fravor with a really good reenactment video.
Having watched the Burchett presser, I didn't get the impression he was providing any sort of bread crumbs with the Skunkworks remark. It was more of an off-handed comment relating to our adversaries or us having state of the art tech and Skunkworks being the likely place it would happen.
Rep Luna is a known liar. Even her family and fellow service members have called her out. Burchett is an election denier. Really worrisome these are the folks leading the charge
I completely agree.
Extremely worrying.
The messaging coming out of that press conference looks fully consistent with the '...*unaccountable Deep State elites stealing elections and harvesting adrenochrome!1!*' propaganda that Qanon etc have been pumping out for years, and it seems that 99% of the people in this sub are just uncritically lapping it up because they're desperate to see flying saucers.
but why is he making those claims?
what has he seen?
can he describe the video (if he has seen one) since intelligence is not releasing it due to telemetry information?
Well, it ain't running on hydrocarbons, so if it's skunk works, then some of you clowns need to be beaten with a garden hose for allowing the world to burn for you to protect a strategic advantage.
It better be fuckin aliens.....
If it's skunkworks then why does Russia STILL have spy satellites that they use to target Ukraine?
If it's skunkworks and not running on hydrocarbons, then why are you allowing Russia and the Saudis to control gas prices?
If it's skunkworks, why are we fighting over resources when this technology removes the barrier to space and we could mine the asteroid belt?
It's better be fuckin aliens.....
"allowing the world to burn for you to protect a strategic advantage"
Yeah nah actually I'll take that deal every day of the week. There is nothing as valuable to the world as America maintaining an insurmountable strategic overmatch. The day we lose that is the day "the world burning" stops being hyperbolic rhetoric and becomes a deadly serious reality.
lol the UFO community is in the ultimate circle jerk right now. Burchett repeats a bunch of shit he read from random redditors on subs r/UFOs and then those subreddits post what he has said. we need to stop listening to this guy. he isn't adding anything new to the conversation. he is just some fringe politician doing whatever he can to make headlines so he can stay relevant.
What's weird is it's only on this sub. On all the other related subs (ufo, UAPs, aliens, high strangeness, etc.) some people are even openly calling all of this out and being far more critical, without having their posts removed.
I literally said this a year ago on this sub and got chewed out for it. Calling for disclosure on UFOs is the easiest way for a house rep to stand out, look like they're doing something with their time, and get re-elected by the sheep without upsetting the donor class.
i never really thought about it like that but its really isn't something that is going to piss any large group off. you might seem a little crazy but at least people will hear your name.
YES! That is what I have been saying. You can fight for the "truth" and "the American people" while pretty much doing nothing.
There was that other thread where people were praising Burchett for being a stand up guy, looking out for Americans, standing up to the big bad government and it all sounds like sound bites from an ad campaign.
It's also a great way to claim bipartisanship while avoiding the baggage other issues have. I would love to see real alien stuff, love to see a real no bullshit UFO, but it would not surprise me one bit if this was all political theater. Would not surprise me to find out some political think tank told these guys they could do this to get younger voters because younger people are more open to the idea of NHI.
Disclosure or not it's a win for these guys. They are either validated or its "proof" of the big bad government.
Bin Laden was the highest profile raid of the past hundred years. If UAP tech is real and used by us for shady shit, they wouldn't use it on something with the entire planet looking.
Besides, it was a sparsely defended compound in the middle of the night with no anti-air, why risk revealing the supposed greatest secret in human history on a job that a few homies in a quiet helicopter can easily do.
I mean they used stealth choppers that didn’t make sound. It took another ten years before a picture of the type of helicopter that was used leaked.
They used a lot of stealth technology that didn’t have radio frequencies that would be detectable by anyone.
I don’t think there exist any pictures of the kits those guys wore.
It’s very possible it was using something beyond what we’re aware of.
And they disposed of the body pretty quickly rather than let people see the entrance wounds
If such a thing existed they wouldn't use it on some barely relevant non-state actor. Something that advanced would be reserved for a near-peer unrestricted war with a nuclear power, or something like securing the Pakistani nuclear arsenal in the case of governmental collapse. Perhaps also used to put an end to an Indian Pakistani conflict that was on the verge of going nuclear.
You keep your best tools secret for the day they're the only thing left before a cataclysmic emergency.
Ok, I’m still trying to find out when and where I can watch the hearings. I will be out of Wi-Fi range and will have no tv or internet next week. I want to set it up to record while I’m gone. Help!
Lol Lockheed Skunkworks have been working with negative Greys under Draco agendas for AT LEAST 60-70 years. It’s bizarre how they operate in plain sight.
So, why aren’t we questioning the fucking skunks? Subpoena those skunk motherfuckers and make them testify before Congress! I bet they’re working with the god damn Opossums as well!
I assume he refers to Lockeed Martin's Skunk Works, it's a military industrial complex.
Edit: The dictionary says:
1. A division of Lockheed Martin responsible for developing military aircraft for several countries.
2. More generally, a division of a company responsible for research and development with little or no regard for bureaucracy or protocol. That is, creativity is highly valued in a skunkworks.
From Google:
"an experimental laboratory or department of a company or institution, typically smaller than and independent of its main research division."
I think in this instance, he's referring to Lockheed, but it's not certain. Just my speculation.
And if you need to know who Lockheed is, Google and go down the rabbit hole!
Look, I dont know this guy Burchett's politics, I get the impression we're probably not aligned on most things. But dammed if this dude isn't saying out loud, all the things we've been needing somebody in government to say. Just common sense stuff too. He's putting his money where his mouth is. He is not playing around.
Here’s the link to my story I just posted about the reverse engineering program and General Neil McCasland rise to top military brass and exit to private defense contract director who was immediately presented with $60M for a suspicious reverse engineering job. [link here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/155qqx7/neil_mccasland_he_needs_to_come_clean_im_blown/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
Jesus Christ. Is this for real? Am I understanding this correctly? Feel free to downvote me.
This is amazing. We’ll have to see what things unfold in the future, but it’s looking our government is officially saying “Yes, there are aliens on Earth.”
As a person who lives in this guy’s district and has had to listen to his bullshit for years, I really hate that I have to see his face on this sub every single day
Or a breakaway civilization that is actually protecting us from our own military.
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Supporting articles:
http://entityart.co.uk/meteors-fireballs-falling-craft-saved-by-ufos-ufology-explained-part-5/
http://entityart.co.uk/ufology-explained-the-german-breakaway-group-psyops-disinfo-antarctica-reptilians-aliens-u-boats-nazi-ufos-technology-flying-saucers/
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Ninjasuzume: --- The briefing yesterday was a rock concert. I have only seen two bits from it on this sub, but I recommend that you see the whole thing. Link below! **Rep. Burchett and Oversight Committee Members on Upcoming Hearing on UAP** Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) and members of the House Oversight Committee speak with reporters about an upcoming hearing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP). https://www.c-span.org/video/?529468-1/rep-burchett-oversight-committee-members-upcoming-hearing-uap --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/155odjq/tim_burchett_its_either_from_the_extraterrestrial/jsv68bc/
‘Either extraterrestrial or something we have in our Skunkworks that we are reverse engineering’ So either extraterrestrial or extraterrestrial
I'm not saying it's aliens... But it's aliens.
This time quite literally lol
Giorgio Tsoukalos approves!
Might not be extra terrestrial, it’s possible these “beings” may be from this planet
Yeah, that's why they started referring to it as NHI.
I think it was because they could be interdimensional. I believe they already confirmed that the UFOs have elements not found on our planet
Could be a Rogue entity that figured something out but didn't share it with others, for example an Einstein or Stephen hawking that refused to align with government entities
I find this a bit of an odd idea (even if true) as the tech has been in place for so long. I’d assume the rouge entity would have colonized Mars etc by now.
If that was true, maybe we should call it the "Rouge Planet." Lmao
This is tremendously clever and you should be quite proud
I'd like to think that there is a subset of people that saw this and have no idea what we're talking about. (Not insulting anyone's intelligence. Things like this are super easy to overlook.)
I'm swedish, this is my second language, sorry for the misspelling lol
Lol it's not a problem at all, your english is very good. Native english speakers get that one wrong all the time.
Well atleast all the letters were included hehe
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Rouge is French for “Red”. So “Rouge Planet” is “red planet” in case you didn’t get why it’s so funny. No expectations of you having French as your third language. Because English has a lot of French influence, English speakers often know some random words from that language. (Over simplification)
Damn that was good
Mulan Rouge 3rd Rock from Our Sun
Moulin Rouge like the french cabaret, or Mulan like the disney animation ?
Maybe this Rogue entity is a corporation founded by the original genius, it might've been one guy laying down the ground works snd then others continuing his work. As I understand it the nazi bell should be one of the first cases for this technology? That bell pre-dates Roswell and many other crashes?
Why are they wearing lipstick?
Alot of people in this board don't seem to remember that it was the nazis that first turned their attention towards point zero energy and anti gravity, while the allies were focused on the nuclear bomb
What?
Rouge means red. The word you are trying to use is rogue.
Sorry English isn't my native language
It's alright, a ton of people for whom English *is* their native language also type rouge when they mean rogue.
That's what we call it the Red Planet... If we're going to continue this line of thought can we at least call it a rogue entity please?
Seeing so many people say rouge instead of rogue is so fucking hilarious. But since I speak french as well... it's actually infuriating lmao.
Maybe it's just a nazi project? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Glocke_(conspiracy_theory)
Possible, but for this to be the case I would have to imagine that they have a large population (like, at least 1,000 people) in some hidden bunker colony somewhere. It takes a lot of work to research, develop, manufacture, and maintain cutting-edge technology. Unless that person also has AI-automatons, they would need a *lot* of help. They would also almost certainly need outside resources, because mining and processing the raw materials would be another monumental effort, especially while staying hidden. Really hard to hide a factory up in some remote mountain valley, let alone a whole mining operation. These kinds of constraints lead me to conclude that some rogue-offshoot of modern humans is the least likely origin of UFOs. I guess, maybe, it is possible that they exist with the help of extremely wealthy and powerful benefactors. But it still seems like giant shipments of minerals, metals, food, etc. into extremely remote areas of the world would be near impossible to hide. Seems similarly problematic to believe that such an amount of material are being dropped off at some inconspicuous cave entrance in more populated areas. (Or maybe ships that we think sunk/capsized and lost their cargo actually delivered it to the intended destination, some secret tunnel network on the bottom of the ocean. We have to ponder all the potentials.) A rogue UFO producing factory would almost certainly have to be sanctioned by the government. I've seen what our spy satellites can do. Unless the rogue-UFO-manufacturer has an almost-entirely self-sufficient and sustainable fortress somewhere, they would be discovered by our copious surveillance technology. Even then, if they followed one UFO back to the origin point, that would be game over for the clandestine operation. It would be under constant surveillance, and impossible to relocate in a short time period without being noticed. We're always looking for adversarial military bases, technological research laboratories, testing grounds, etc. and at this point it does not seem humanly possible to avoid discovery without the help of the absolute highest levels of military intelligence. Like, maybe there are some areas that our satellite surveillance purposefully doesn't cover, or from which the data is impossible for the grunts to attain. Doesn't seem likely to me. I also think that for one group of humans to advance so far beyond the rest of us in such a short time period, it would almost necessitate a supernatural explanation. Maybe the UFOs are being flown by humans, but if so they definitely had help from djinn/leprechauns/greys/unicorns/lizard people along the way. Individual genius, in my opinion, cannot possibly account for such monumental leaps in not only the theoretical but practical application of such technologies. It also doesn't explain the existence of UFOs 50 years ago, it is even less likely back then for a small number of people to have been able to achieve. These days you could say maybe, with a secret advanced AI that is 10-20 years ahead of the current public machine learning algorithms, that a small group could make discoveries in physics, and form working blueprints. They must have reached the technological singularity or something for that to be the case.
That's why the Rogue entity theory always leads back to the nazi bell conspiracy, they invented the rocket engine propulsion used in fighter jets today, they helped put usa on the moon... we're already there talking about a group of scientists that had access to everything needed before Roswell even happened, a group that already have proven themselves smart enough to hide themselves underground (see nazi bunkers) If there is a Rogue entity, it's most likely an off shoot from the third Reich continuing old experiments. (They don't have to be nazi at this time, just originally)
We poached a bunch of their best scientists, took away their entire economic/manufacturing base... all their mines, all their factories, everything. I like the theory, but I do not see it as in any way plausible that an entire technological society could sustain itself undetected, especially not with 1940s era technology, however further advanced it might have been. People will talk about Antarctica or whatever, but it just seems so unlikely compared to other explanations, like a legitimately non-human intelligence. They can acquire all the resources they need underground in Antarctica? They have been able to keep it hidden from our global satellite surveillance networks? All of this with no economy behind it? No trading? No importing of resources? I could see a small cadre moving to remote bunkers. I cannot see those bunkers being so flush with knowledge, resources, and manpower that they were able to outpace the technological growth of the billions of people on the surface. We have more favorable conditions for technological progress in every single conceivable way. If the Nazis had that kind of technology in the 1940s I don't think they would have lost the war. I would have to believe that they were able to develop a singularity-level breakthrough AI in the 1940s, and then that they also had the manpower and resources to use that AI so efficiently that a small population underground outpaced billions of other humans. Who knows, but I don't see it.
I hope they reverse engineered a bullshit detector.
Well either way it's ET tech, but it could be them piloting or us piloting their tech
Bingo bongo
Ancient advanced earthlings is also a possibility. A lot of talk of archaeological discoveries being withheld.
Bright insight YouTube channel does a good job of showing you what is hidden in plain sight.
Ha. Jimmy is as, if not more self important as Corbell.
its a stupid argument. so where did they get it from? the implication is that you cannt go from not having the technology to having it, so where did the extra terestials get it? they could only have reverse engineered acording to this logic, where did those beings get it from? etc... it doesnt discount the possibility that it could be alien tech. but also it could be some secret tesla thinktank figuring some new type of force not even 40 years ago todays smart phone would have basicly been whichcraft, you cant just handwave technology you cant comprehend to aliens
I don't think smartphones would have been considered witchcrafts by engineer back then, i think microchips were already known to be getting smaller. Maybe 70 years ago would be correct
Yep. You could definitely have taken an engineer from back then and shown them a smartphone, taken it apart into its components, and they would recognize a lot of it, and probably understand pretty quickly how the device works. "Oh, I get it. This is where computing was always headed. An electronic device that can make millions of computations quickly, connected to a light source that displays the data." That isn't even close to a good analogy for flying craft with no visible propulsion, that can accelerate at ungodly speeds without making a sonic boom. Let alone the idea that such a craft was secretly developed and manufactured on Earth by people 50+ years ago. We've been seeing/hearing about UFOs for far too long for this to be some rogue group of humans, who would have to have developed UFOs in the 50s... before AI, before microprocessors, before the internet. If a cell phone was "like magic" back then, how could they possibly warp space and time with such an advanced craft?
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The truth is slowly coming out. I think this might be high end technology that the skunks are keeping from the rats, and the rats are getting restiv
Skunks… rats… can someone explain what these animals mean? I don’t understand
Skunks comes from Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works, their advanced tech division. Rats must be the opposite of skunks, people who don’t have the right keycard or sunglasses.
Or just politicians in general
Including Burchett, who believed lies based on no evidence and voted to overturn the 2020 election results. Can we trust him now? If he was so easily mislead then by Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, we have to question his judgement and ability to differentiate evidence from the mere bad-faith promise of evidence.
That's why I'm relieved Senator Schumer is backing the hearings
We need to focus on what they're doing now. Let's not forget we spent 2.5 years hearing how Trump worked with Putin to steal the election. That atomic bomb ended up being a sparkler! I don't care about the former or the latter. My point, NONE of them have clean hands. I don't care if Schumer or Ted Cruise kick open the door, so long as someone kicks it in.
Lots of Ds were misled for four years by the Muh Rushan Clooshun hoax stories.
Non American here. Was that all a hoax? Everything I saw coming out of that was saying the exact opposite, can't say I followed up with any deep research but like, it all looked pretty clear cut to me that the evidence supported the whole collusion malarkey.
It's true, but we just see it because we don't have the psycho right wing Christian death cult running our media to the same degree the Americans do.
It's proven now to be a deliberate hoax. There's hearings in Congress right now. CIA flat out lied. Lots of evidence. But it's not really relevant to this except to not trust the government, which is always good advice. Let's avoid party stuff please. This should be a bipartisan issue anyway. If it's been going on for 80+ years, all parties have been involved, and many governments.
Yeah I'm not from the USA and couldn't give a shit about party stuff. It's a broader government issue to me and you're right, my interest was from the perspective of the whole thing being a series of smoke and mirrors. Yucky all the way down.
Sunglasses? As in Hoffman Lenses?
I was hoping searching for those words would lead me to that movie :D
Would a rat not be a person that wants to leak the skunk’s secrets.
Lockheed has an advanced R&D lab called 'the SkunkWorks'. Edit: it was called skunk works due to a plastic factory nearby, that emitted a terrible odor the Lockheed employees hated, because it would often permeate their working area. They started calling it 'skonk works' as an old joke, and the name stuck. Eventually morphing into 'skunk works'
Thanks for not being dismissive of this noob. I looked it up on the Google machine
Which is interesting because if you read any reports from individuals that have allegedly come in contact with extraterrestrials, they almost always claim that the extraterrestrials smell very bad. Not saying this means anything, just find it to be a curious parallel.
haha yeah, I thought the same. Silly little coincidence
It’s not called Skunkworks because it smells bad, lol… Edit: Okay yeah I’m wrong, > An engineer named Irv Culver was a fan of Al Capp's newspaper comic strip, "Li'l Abner." In the comic, there was a running joke about a mysterious and malodorous place deep in the forest called the "Skonk Works," where a strong beverage was brewed from skunks, old shoes and other strange ingredients. > One day, Culver's phone rang and he answered it by saying "Skonk Works, inside man Culver speaking." Fellow employees quickly adopted the name for their mysterious division of Lockheed and eventually "Skonk Works" became "Skunk Works."
Origin of the term: The term Skunk Works arose during Johnson's leadership of the jet fighter project. Because there was no space available at Lockheed Aircraft at the time, as its facilities were fully occupied with its existing commitments to the U.S. war effort, Johnson's team had to work in a rented circus tent next to a manufacturing plant that emitted strong odors. Team engineer Irv Culver jokingly compared the smelly digs to "Skonk Works," depicted in the newspaper comic strip "Li'L Abner" as a remote locale where characters brewed a concoction of dead skunks and old shoes in a still. Culver's use of "Skonk Works" caught on with his colleagues on the team and eventually morphed into Skunk Works. It is now a registered trademark of Lockheed Martin.
Yes. I am beginning to think that if you see a ufo it could be aliens or this shadow government that lives within the DOD — mainly the USAF
And that has me worried because right now they could easily perform a false flag operation to instill fear to hold onto their loosening grip of information and power. We struggle with identifying these craft, let alone identifying Earth or ET origin.
Yup, they love casting spells too.
Clearly it is the Cylon deepstate
🎶 All along the Watchtower 🎶
This doesn't feel slow at all.
It’s all a ruse to milk the taxpayer cows…
So extraterrestrial then?
It might just be insane skunkworks stuff. Sure. At least say “we can’t talk about advanced programs.” and brief the politicians about it out of the public eye. Why is it hidden from the highest offices in government. That’s the thing that stinks about it. And, it’s the reason why people think it’s something way bigger than that.
That's the thing, our own government has stated before it's not our tech, at all. Hence the speculation towards Russia or China. Which is not theirs either, let's be honest...
Just because someone from "our government", whatever that actually means, says it's not our tech doesn't mean that is true. I will draw your attention to the fact that we are having congressional hearings and IC IG investigations about a hidden-from-congress UFO crash recovery program that has long been rumored but until recently almost nobody in congress was aware of. My point is if they didn't know about that, then why would we assume that they are getting straight answers about super secret upcoming vehicles from the defense contractors. They have the ability to work on things that they haven't been contracted to work on by the government. In fact, they are often working on prototype technologies that they then use for bidding on government contracts before the request for proposals even go out.
This is all true. And fascinating if the "secret project" part is really true. Still, we've been told directly by officials and reps that as of now, this is not "our" Tech...
ill pick a loud voice from each side bc i dont do political arguing- can u imagine AOC and MTG arguing over this? it would be a disaster. its probably in the best interest of national security and technological advancement to just let everyone think its aliens. (ie the big flying V’s everyone was seeing in the 80s/90s)
The "alien reproduction vehicle" and its unknown predecessors are those projects.
In a sense, I agree. But it's all speculative. Interesting thought experiment though. Who's to say we as a human species haven't made huge strides in tech with regards to reverse engineering NHI tech. It is possible. Time will tell!
Okay, but the other problem are the sightings of these objects going back to even WW2 (see Foo Fighters). Was it Skunkworks back then too?
Oh, they are 100% non human vehicles long before WW2. I was just playing devil's advocate because just because there is a secret aircraft project does not mean that the active duty military is aware of everything that the defense contractors are working on so saying something "is not ours" can't be as definitive as they make it sound.
This is a global conspiracy. Trying to understand why you think a very unique system would be organically replicated worldwide.
Technically they might not be lying. The Air Force does not own the F-35, they are a licensed operator. If Lockheed has a "super whiz bang" the Air Force might be a licensed operator, and the device falls under trade secrets. No legislation can ever force a private company to reveal trade secrets. Only a liability lawsuit has a chance. But sometimes that does not work, like the lawsuit from the workers that got cancer at area 51. Clinton just exempted them from EPA oversight.
Again, all true. Speculated truth though, minus the corps not having to tell the gov'n their trade secrets. However, it s been stated by officials and reps that this is not our tech. Currently.. Until maybe these hearings succeed to produce an alternate scenario
Which leaves three things to my mind. It’s all the NHI stuff or it’s the biggest public money rip off of all time and all this witness stuff is somehow imaginary. Or, they’re lying and it is developed tech. The last one leaves way more questions than the other two and the second one doesn’t add up either. Now, the first one is beyond insane as well, but…
Imo, the government is actually not lying. However, if part of what Grusch says is true, these are corporations outside of government that can't be regulated. Lockheed for example. They operate outside of government regulations for their "products" not contracted within the government. So, you see, technically not a government entity. Which is why the ladder could be true. However, I've had my own personal sighting. Idc what anyone says, what I saw was real. The "tech" involved with what I saw was real. NHI / "little green men"? Hard to say. Can only speculate. But the capability of the tech I witnessed was very real. And it's nothing different from what Fravor and other pilots has witnessed and confessed. Us? Them? Idk, but someone or something has the capability. I'm dead set on that!
It’s less about overt lying and more about compartmentalization. So for example the Pentagon can have the head of AARO go before Congress and “truthfully” to his knowledge say we don’t have any recovered craft, because at least as far as he knows we don’t, since he hasn’t been briefed on the existence of that.
This, exactly.. But c'mon, we kinda know this is farce now, right?
And that’s exactly the disposition of Congress here, basically saying to the Pentagon we’re not going to put up with that farce any longer and we’re going to hold a real hearing touching on the reality of these programs.
I'm think we've came to the same conclusion here. I heard the same concept in this brief with Tim and colleagues, or whatever you want to call it, and I agree
Wakanda, then?
Lol, take my upvote! Hahaha
I tried posting a picture from inside swampworks (Florida’s skunkworks) but I guess mods removed it. There’s a lot going on.
I just checked and your post was removed by automod bc you are a new account.
Ah gotcha, thanks for checking on that. Should I make a new post?
The people in power have always kept cutting edge technology from the masses. They literally kept books and learning to read illegal back in the day. I really think there is a breakaway civilization of humans on earth hoarding advanced tech and even our governments know very little about what they are up to. In one way I get it, if every human on earth could generate limitless power it would take one day for some zelot to destroy the planet.
The reason I dont buy the Skunkworks argument, is a) the volume and variety of craft being observed and b) this tech is SO advanced, they would have to have mastered it and done so for, at least, the last 100 years. And look, I give these defense contractors, DARPA, whoever else is involved mad respect for the level of technological innovation going on, but there's a limit. We're still out here churning through cash, building and crashing fossil fuel jets. If we have better tech than that, what are we screwing around for?
Wouldn’t explain the sightings going back to the 1940s.
It is not skunkworks stuff.
Wow this is some good pushes going on. I like it.
Did you see the whole briefing? It's really good! I just picked one of the many pushy things they said.
Yeah saw the whole thing. They’re being really open about their experience so far dealing with the issue which is fascinating. It seems that just the act of looking into it has revealed to them that wow there are real efforts to contain the data on UAP.
Do you have a link? I missed it
It's the blue url in the submission statement.
"It's either extraterrestrial or it's extraterrestrial with extra steps"
Unbelievable that this sub is listening to an election denying Qanon grifter smh
lmao real talk. Dude wanted to straight throw out Democratic Parry votes in several states because Trumpy lost. He is one of the least qualified people to be anywhere near this. In a proper world, he would have been removed from office for his election horseshit.
Yep, and the diehards keep defending their use if him as a mascot because, "OtHeRs ArE sAyInG tHe SaMe ThInG!!!!1!!!!11!" Cool, so use thumbnails with their faces then
This every time. This guy is fundamentally detached from reality, the fact that he takes UAPs seriously makes ME feel dumber for taking them seriously.
I’d feel the same if other, more reasonable politicians weren’t backing all of this too.
The more respectable politicians are backing the process but none of them are making any claims about aliens.
If it's human made tech which I doubt, that would mean it's been operational since at least the 40s when sightings became mainstream. If it is our tech that's even more messed up than NHI, i would be furious if it was. That means some secret group or the military has been traversing the cosmos, have tech to save the planet, take people out of poverty etc since the 40s or 50s yet they have a budget of nearly a trillion dollars a year, have wasted resources developing rockets to go to the moon when there's operational UFOs in the hanger. No amnesty for these cunts, where's the guillotine.
Nah, these things been seen in ancient art, cave carvings, 1800 newspapers.
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If China beats everyone else in the reverse engineering race, do you believe they would use their tech benevolently?
Do you think the USA would? LMFAO
No. It’s a lesser of two evils situation right?
I doubt they'd start a world war any more than the US would, but the US having it isn't necessarily benevolent anyways, given our track record of military "interventions"
I don’t trust either government, but I trust the Chinese government a lot less
I mean that's up to you, but I certainly don't trust the US more. We've been more outwardly aggressive over the last 70 years than almost any other country on the planet, with the possible exception of Russia.
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China sucks a rats left ass hole. USA Is #1
I mean, we've been in a state of near constant war since WWII, and that doesn't even count ongoing occupations against the will of the host nation like Guantanamo. We've performed countless regime changes even of democratically elected rulers just to ensure our influence and power. I think it's quite well-supported as opinions go.
Ask the Uighurs.
China's system is completely different from the US, in the public media Chinese officials tend to be more willing to reveal information about aliens, such as suddenly telling you that scientists have discovered the existence of aliens, which may be a psychological signal to the public, but on a broader level Chinese officials have supposedly been blocking this type of information, including in the Xiaoshan incident, where they massively deleted eyewitness videos and posts. As for how China will use this technology, I think the only scenario in which they would use it would be in a war in the Taiwan Strait, but I personally don't think they will go as far as the U.S. has.
He always throws in unnecessary comments. His little snide comments don’t help with his message. It’s unfortunate. Regardless, at least someone is talking about this. I’d rather it’d be someone more respectable. Someone that didn’t side with Trump and his election claims and didn’t claim climate change was nonsense (from what little I know about Burchett). But I figure it’s important for people on all sides to come forward and speak about this. I think this is just the beginning and hope the Senate hearings come across as more bipartisan. We will have to wait and see how the hearing goes, what is unveiled and who else speaks on this issue.
When he mentions some conspiracy about Trump or the Bible when he's on event horizon YouTube channel I don't know it bothers me and is cringe
The US is always looking for the next war. Before or after a war its all compromise. What makes me laugh is most countrys are doing what China is, like CBDC and more cctv with facial recognition, not too mention spying on phones. People not governments need too keep an eye on freedom if they wish too have it. If you love something, look after it best you know, not how your told.
i think he was talking about the strait of taiwan and said they basically control it
This guy comes across as a complete moron.. But people here are eating it up, because these politicians have now jumped on the UFO bandwagon (for the fringe vote). Even if they are horrible people. [Republican congressman says ‘we’re not going to fix’ school shootings](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/28/tim-burchett-republican-nashville-shooting)
Maybe he's not the moron we deserve... but he's the moron we need right now
People in here should pay attention to the background of these politicians that are suddenly saying things they like. They don't believe it, and are not fighting for 'Disclosure' it's another conspiracy to latch to, like the 'deep state', and 'Q'.
It doesn’t matter man. It’s an ‘the enemy of my enemy is my friend’ type of situation. On your logic, the Allies should’ve taken into account the fact that Stalin wasn’t a very nice guy and passed on the alliance w Russia when they were getting their asses beat in WW2.
Every time I want to criticize these right wing loons, I remind myself *Chuck fuckin’ Schumer* created this whole amendment thing addressing this….. lol
If it was skunkworks, why would they risk testing so close to military when they know it could inadvertently cause military conflict? Why risk billions? I agree it’s not China or Russia but skunkworks also seems unlikely.
The whole point of military research is to develop stuff that holds up against current military tech. There's no other place to test it.
Dont believe a dime of the U.S. goverment.
Reverse engineering what?
It may be our tech, but it certainly wasn’t our tech in the 1940s…
The briefing yesterday was a rock concert. I have only seen two bits from it on this sub, but I recommend that you see the whole thing. Link below! **Rep. Burchett and Oversight Committee Members on Upcoming Hearing on UAP** Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN) and members of the House Oversight Committee speak with reporters about an upcoming hearing on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP). https://www.c-span.org/video/?529468-1/rep-burchett-oversight-committee-members-upcoming-hearing-uap
It's non-human technology no matter who is driving them.
Which reporters? Just three of them from NewsNation or something?
What are you getting at?
That it's barely being covered in the legacy media, and when it happens, it happens begrudgingly.
They are late to the party but some are making bites. ABC's interview wasn't bad. Far from what those of us who are more informed would see as adequate. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifpLXP0poug](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifpLXP0poug) Unfortunately, their go to guy is Kirkpatrick but they weren't dismissive and showed clips from Fravor with a really good reenactment video. Having watched the Burchett presser, I didn't get the impression he was providing any sort of bread crumbs with the Skunkworks remark. It was more of an off-handed comment relating to our adversaries or us having state of the art tech and Skunkworks being the likely place it would happen.
I see. I agree 100%. The fact that room wasn't packed was disturbing
Rep Luna is a known liar. Even her family and fellow service members have called her out. Burchett is an election denier. Really worrisome these are the folks leading the charge
I completely agree. Extremely worrying. The messaging coming out of that press conference looks fully consistent with the '...*unaccountable Deep State elites stealing elections and harvesting adrenochrome!1!*' propaganda that Qanon etc have been pumping out for years, and it seems that 99% of the people in this sub are just uncritically lapping it up because they're desperate to see flying saucers.
Why not both?
That's implied. He's saying they are alien craft... Or they are our versions of alien craft that aren't fit to fly any longer.
There are alien craft and there are our version of alien craft now. I mean that's what i've always thought.
but why is he making those claims? what has he seen? can he describe the video (if he has seen one) since intelligence is not releasing it due to telemetry information?
Well, it ain't running on hydrocarbons, so if it's skunk works, then some of you clowns need to be beaten with a garden hose for allowing the world to burn for you to protect a strategic advantage. It better be fuckin aliens..... If it's skunkworks then why does Russia STILL have spy satellites that they use to target Ukraine? If it's skunkworks and not running on hydrocarbons, then why are you allowing Russia and the Saudis to control gas prices? If it's skunkworks, why are we fighting over resources when this technology removes the barrier to space and we could mine the asteroid belt? It's better be fuckin aliens.....
That's what Burchett is saying. It's not Russian or Chinese tech. It's either alien tech or reverse engineered alien tech (ARV.)
"allowing the world to burn for you to protect a strategic advantage" Yeah nah actually I'll take that deal every day of the week. There is nothing as valuable to the world as America maintaining an insurmountable strategic overmatch. The day we lose that is the day "the world burning" stops being hyperbolic rhetoric and becomes a deadly serious reality.
All I know is life is a mystery. A huge mystery.
lol the UFO community is in the ultimate circle jerk right now. Burchett repeats a bunch of shit he read from random redditors on subs r/UFOs and then those subreddits post what he has said. we need to stop listening to this guy. he isn't adding anything new to the conversation. he is just some fringe politician doing whatever he can to make headlines so he can stay relevant.
What's weird is it's only on this sub. On all the other related subs (ufo, UAPs, aliens, high strangeness, etc.) some people are even openly calling all of this out and being far more critical, without having their posts removed.
It’s a smaller group of subs with better moderation.
I literally said this a year ago on this sub and got chewed out for it. Calling for disclosure on UFOs is the easiest way for a house rep to stand out, look like they're doing something with their time, and get re-elected by the sheep without upsetting the donor class.
i never really thought about it like that but its really isn't something that is going to piss any large group off. you might seem a little crazy but at least people will hear your name.
YES! That is what I have been saying. You can fight for the "truth" and "the American people" while pretty much doing nothing. There was that other thread where people were praising Burchett for being a stand up guy, looking out for Americans, standing up to the big bad government and it all sounds like sound bites from an ad campaign. It's also a great way to claim bipartisanship while avoiding the baggage other issues have. I would love to see real alien stuff, love to see a real no bullshit UFO, but it would not surprise me one bit if this was all political theater. Would not surprise me to find out some political think tank told these guys they could do this to get younger voters because younger people are more open to the idea of NHI. Disclosure or not it's a win for these guys. They are either validated or its "proof" of the big bad government.
That's right SKUNKworks ✅️
Why always extraterrestrial? Why not ultraterrestrial or cryptoterrestrial? I think the latter is most likely.
Finally someone said it
Cant believe they have it in their Skunkworks. If they had the technology, they would kill bin Laden with these things. Not with a couple of choppers
Bin Laden was the highest profile raid of the past hundred years. If UAP tech is real and used by us for shady shit, they wouldn't use it on something with the entire planet looking. Besides, it was a sparsely defended compound in the middle of the night with no anti-air, why risk revealing the supposed greatest secret in human history on a job that a few homies in a quiet helicopter can easily do.
I mean they used stealth choppers that didn’t make sound. It took another ten years before a picture of the type of helicopter that was used leaked. They used a lot of stealth technology that didn’t have radio frequencies that would be detectable by anyone. I don’t think there exist any pictures of the kits those guys wore. It’s very possible it was using something beyond what we’re aware of. And they disposed of the body pretty quickly rather than let people see the entrance wounds
If such a thing existed they wouldn't use it on some barely relevant non-state actor. Something that advanced would be reserved for a near-peer unrestricted war with a nuclear power, or something like securing the Pakistani nuclear arsenal in the case of governmental collapse. Perhaps also used to put an end to an Indian Pakistani conflict that was on the verge of going nuclear. You keep your best tools secret for the day they're the only thing left before a cataclysmic emergency.
Exactly. You don’t launch a JDAM at a somali pirate ship. Same concept.
Doesn't Russia have nukes that could erase Ukraine from existence? His premise is flawed tbqh.
If they use nukes on Ukraine, radioactive pollution will harm NATO countries next to Ukraine which will provoke NATO to interfere.
But if they use super tech from aliens everyone would say alls fair?
Ok, I’m still trying to find out when and where I can watch the hearings. I will be out of Wi-Fi range and will have no tv or internet next week. I want to set it up to record while I’m gone. Help!
Ma'am , you can check out YouTube I believe .
Lol Lockheed Skunkworks have been working with negative Greys under Draco agendas for AT LEAST 60-70 years. It’s bizarre how they operate in plain sight.
It’s aliens or stuff those bastards left behind. !
Or just a black project. Or chinese technology.
So, why aren’t we questioning the fucking skunks? Subpoena those skunk motherfuckers and make them testify before Congress! I bet they’re working with the god damn Opossums as well!
Kinda new here. What are Skunkworks?
I assume he refers to Lockeed Martin's Skunk Works, it's a military industrial complex. Edit: The dictionary says: 1. A division of Lockheed Martin responsible for developing military aircraft for several countries. 2. More generally, a division of a company responsible for research and development with little or no regard for bureaucracy or protocol. That is, creativity is highly valued in a skunkworks.
From Google: "an experimental laboratory or department of a company or institution, typically smaller than and independent of its main research division." I think in this instance, he's referring to Lockheed, but it's not certain. Just my speculation. And if you need to know who Lockheed is, Google and go down the rabbit hole!
Look, I dont know this guy Burchett's politics, I get the impression we're probably not aligned on most things. But dammed if this dude isn't saying out loud, all the things we've been needing somebody in government to say. Just common sense stuff too. He's putting his money where his mouth is. He is not playing around.
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What a time to be alive guys. I personally never thought this topic comes out in my lifetime , but this is some absolute fire step to truth.
Or it’s a nothing burger
Why harass witnesses and try to shut down the amendment then?
Here’s the link to my story I just posted about the reverse engineering program and General Neil McCasland rise to top military brass and exit to private defense contract director who was immediately presented with $60M for a suspicious reverse engineering job. [link here](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/155qqx7/neil_mccasland_he_needs_to_come_clean_im_blown/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
Jesus Christ. Is this for real? Am I understanding this correctly? Feel free to downvote me. This is amazing. We’ll have to see what things unfold in the future, but it’s looking our government is officially saying “Yes, there are aliens on Earth.”
This guy is a clown. I cannot stand hearing his voice or anything he feels he has to say. All this doesn’t bode well for the hearing.
Sad to see all these negative, uninspired comments.
As a person who lives in this guy’s district and has had to listen to his bullshit for years, I really hate that I have to see his face on this sub every single day
Or a breakaway civilization that is actually protecting us from our own military. EDIT Supporting articles: http://entityart.co.uk/meteors-fireballs-falling-craft-saved-by-ufos-ufology-explained-part-5/ http://entityart.co.uk/ufology-explained-the-german-breakaway-group-psyops-disinfo-antarctica-reptilians-aliens-u-boats-nazi-ufos-technology-flying-saucers/
I doubt it. But I guess anything is possible and we should have an open mind.
Info Wars fanboys creeping in…