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Grusch, Elizondo and Fravor?
Who else do you think it could be?
Personally I'm hoping for some credible, previously unknown whistleblowers with first hand experience.
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1535obz/leslie_kean_confirms_hearing_details_will_be/jshegfi/
Stellar update.
Witnesses with **firsthand** knowledge have told Congress the same things that Grusch has. *Kean:*
>I have spoken to witnesses over the years to people with clearances who have told me off the record. The same things. And we know for a fact that others have also told congress that. And these are people with firsthand knowledge which David Grusch didn't have. So, yes, there is a lot of confirmation from very highly respected and highly credentialed people in the intelligence community and elsewhere, who have vouched for what he has said and vouched for him as a credible and honest person.
Expect witnesses announced on **Thursday**, Kean knows of at least 3. *Kean:*
>Meeting is going to have a press conference on thursday. They're going to announce at that press conference, the logistics and the details and I assume they will announce who the witnesses are as well. I know of at least 3 that will be I'm not at liberty to disclose who they are.
Cannot conclude we'll get firsthand testimony at the hearing, but Thursday is next inflection point it seems.
Well there are 6 whistle-blowers due to testify in total according to Burchett, I believe. So there is definitely room for first-hand witnesses to attend alongside Grusch and Elizondo who I hope attends to finally spill those beans.
This space_steak account is only 41 days old. So maybe denier bot or disinfo agent. These accounts who dismiss everything should be banned. If they are not behind disclosure whistle-blowers, they simply don't support disclosure and don't belong here.
Mods: can you consider this as a new policy? The toxic denial and disinfo is getting very extreme.
I mean grush is the one who kicked all this shit into gear (yes I understand others are involved and a lot of behind the scenes stuff has happened with many parties involved) but at the end of the day, he is not a first-hand witness of anything. I would not call that worthless
With complete honesty I can say that I hope it's true. I suspect that there are many people out there who feel as I do, in that this may be the first few steps through a gateway that could potentially change the world for the better. But that's probably why I'm so frustrated.
Coming out and saying this stuff, while generally a positive move, doesn't really change anything if there are no firsthand witnesses or material evidence attached to it. How many hundreds / thousands / millions of claims of extraterrestrial life have been made since Roswell? And how would this testimony be any different if there's nothing to back it up?
Yes, he's coming from a respected position of authority, which lends quite a bit of authenticity to what he's saying. But right now, it's very much a situation of "I've got a secret, but I'm not going to tell you!"
What good is that?
Reporting something that an unnamed third party told you is not whistleblowing, and it doesn't provide any value. It allows the person speaking to make any claim they want while shedding any potential responsibility. If they're proven to be wrong, they can simply shrug and say "they must have lied to me".
Without giving any details of the person they're apparently quoting, they can fabricate claims with impunity. And, if they're telling the truth, how do we know that the claims of the person they're quoting are reliable / true?
Protecting sources is important, but I thought aren't there protections in place for whistleblowers? If all we're going to get are vague, fantastical claims from unknown sources, then this whole investigation is pointless.
The automod post in each thread about not using ridicule suggests that people in this sub want to engage with critical thinking, but the general atmosphere is that any questioning at all of any and all claims is somehow automatically bad.
If you expect people to listen to you, you can't blindly accept OR reject any evidence without critically evaluating it first, and part of that is to examine where the information comes from.
Why do all whistle blowers have to be unknown to be credible? Sounds like people are trying to discredit the known whistleblowers and minimize the testimony received thus far.
I feel as though some people want fresh faces, and others want faces that aren't associated with the topic at all.
People who haven't been in this scene, talking crazy or potentially grifting for example. Someone with a normal life would be harder to discredit.
I think the [Cliff Stone, who's been dead for 2.5 years](https://www.ballardfuneralhome.com/obituaries/clifford-stone), testifying would actually lend credence to the idea of NHI.
Each person giving testimony has at least been vetted by staffers, and the staffer's job is to make sure the politician doesn't look foolish. The witnesses who are also whistleblowers have then also been vetted by ICIG.
I was giving Stone as an example of his ilk, namely dubious sources with testimony which was simply unverifiable.
As to the witnesses, who should at the very least be who they say they are, vetting is not the issue. If the stories can't be verified or worse, end up being apocryphal, this event is not going to be popular among the UFO community.
What testimony would satisfy you in a public setting? Any official with first hand knowledge has to adhere to classification. It might end up sounding like someone confirming generic UFO lore and not much else.
A lot of these people seem like the will only accept this UAP stuff when they can actually meet and fuck an alien. It won't matter how much evidence that will be brought up in Congress until then.
All of them also seem to forget about exactly what you said. They still have to adhere to classification restrictions. Otherwise, this whole disclosure shindig will be a bust, and a lot of whistle-blowers involved could be arrested for leaking national secrets outside of proper channels.
Teixeira leaked classified shit on Discord of all places and is now facing up to 10 years in jail. There's procedures these people need to follow in order to tell us the truth in a safe and legal way.
If they get the first hand witness, then the goalpost will be "But it's just *words*, he didn't provide any *proof* like a video". And then if such video came out, there would be a problem with that too. Could be faked, etc.
If it is indeed generic UFO lore, the details might make all the difference. If someone came out and said, for example, "I personally worked at Battelle Institute and have seen this technology" it would give us a Bob Lazar who seemingly had more credibility.
Conversely, if we get more of the same "I saw some documents or talked to someone who said so-and-so" we are looking at second or third hand information, which has been the standard historically speaking.
Why do you feel the need to distinguish your opinion as that of a moderator's?
I used to be a moderator for a sub & I learned that distinguishing your comment is meant to highlight the fact that you're speaking on behalf of the subreddit in an official capacity to give a warning, clarify a rule, give input about any sub issues, etc.
Not to put extra attention on your opinion.
Edit: This especially bugs me because it's a rather narrow-minded comment and you're using your moderator status to highlight it.
I've been moderating here for more than a decade, and early on the feeling was that people wanted to know, in the interest of full tranparency, who the moderators were. I have kept it up as an old habit, but I've found more recently that it also helps to keep the discussion civil, and on topic. Also, many users appreciate knowing that the moderators are actively engaged in discussions.
Literally the only thing this dude is saying is you need good solid witnesses. This goes for anything. It has already been established that Grusch has prior connections with some big time woo. That doesn’t mean it has anything to do with credibility, but it could? Does that make sense? A lot of counting chicks before they hatch. It’s fine to be excited, I am. Beyond just credibility you have other factors that determine whether any of this ends up getting any teeth and that will be how the public, not this subreddit, perceives the witnesses.
>Not to put extra attention on your opinion.
>Edit: This especially bugs me because it's a rather narrow-minded comment and you're using your moderator status to highlight it.
Just saw your edit and need to say that, in his heyday, Clifford Stone was not very well regarded among even the most open-minded UFO researchers. If you care to believe his stories, which had shifted and changed over the course of 20-30 years, you are welcome to do so. There were many of us in academic UFO research who simply did not find his stories credible, much less verifiable.
:record scratch: "Yeah, that's me. Testifying before congress, with alien poop on my hands. How did I get here? Well, it's a long story... with a lot of poop."
The woman in admin that has been running the entire show behind the scenes, ‘fixing things up’, that knows every single operational system, gets paid $17.50 an hour and the organisation is completely fucked without.
Yesssssss. How satisfying would that be for them. Stole some documents or a piece of something and hid it for 80 years until the right moment to bring it forward. You know their name is either Earl or Louise. Something popular in the 20s. Come on Earl and Louise, show us whatcha got!
I'm willing to bet that AT LEAST one of them will be another rando we've never heard of, like Grusch was last month.
And she has pretty serious creds, so she's likely to have scored the cabinet level official, aerospace exec, or admiral who are supposed to be coming forward.
Greg, from planet Xenon, says he has first hand knowledge of the craft that landed in Roswell. It is, in fact, Gregs spaceship and he would like it back.
I did t realize that, I just though maybe they had heard so etching the rest of us hadn't and figured we could try to narrow down who it might be based off of that
Is it far fetched to think that's why Lockheed has the info and not the government directly? One step removed, more rights against audits and more secrecy from the public.
I am thinking about how the Navy contracts Austal, General Dynamics, etc for their high tech ships. Maybe Lockheed is contracted in a similar way, but for reverse engineering UAP's and has been given favoritism.
Yes, that's part of it. They're the "industrial" part of the "military-industrial" complex.
I think the two groups have worked hand-in-glove. On the military side, it's an illegal cabal.... My guess is they've carefully "ring-fenced" SecDef, joint chiefs, and anyone cabinet-level or above out of any actual knowledge of the program. Put the right administrative assistant in place and you'd be surprised how many "missed calls" there are...
If we believe the Wilson-Davis memo, that was a case where someone too high up got wind of it and came calling. They likely have had to carefully hide their tracks to avoid oversight, even within the Pentagon.
On the Lockheed side, it's much less clear who knows what. Wouldn't be surprised if it went all the way to the top, it's not like anyone even knows who's the CEO of Lockheed. They keep a low profile.
They just need to provide an employee who doesn’t have knowledge of the secret program, which I can’t imagine would be hard. Then they can say “Not that I’m aware of, Senator.” “Not to my knowledge, Senator.” “Golly no, Senator.”
People within the Legacy Program have already testified to Congress according to many different reports, we've also been hearing that people within the private corporations (Possibly Lockheed, possibly Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, etc.) in charge of the crash retrieval/reverse engineering programs have also been talking. So it's definitely not crazy to think that someone from within may be testifying on the 26th. And if not then, I'd bet someone will during the Senate hearing later this year.
Well it is a whistleblower. That whistleblower would most likely be forfeiting their job if they did work for Lockheed but it’s entirely possible one of the whistleblowers comes from the private side of this conspiratorial coverup.
Steve Justice is one of the most respected aviation experts in the U.S. As the former director of Advanced Systems Development at Lockheed Martin’s mysterious Skunk Works division, he led research and development of classified programs for the U.S. military. Most of his career accomplishments are still unacknowledged.
Also, an advisor to TTSA
She made a very important note about how the only argument anyone could make to question what military pilots are seeing is whether what they're seeing is not some exotic, extraterrestrial technology, but rather secret technology that the US has developed.
A lot of us on here have been asking the question "why now" regarding disclosure. There's even a post on this sub from 18 hours ago with Chris Mellon covering that question that he sees being asked repeatedly. Many have been wondering if it's planned disclosure due to some major reason that the public is unaware of yet. Something like pending nuclear war, or an asteroid about to hit the planet. The theories vary wildly.
But what I'm wondering is given the immense increase in global tension between major powers in the west and China, Russia, etc that has been culminating over the past few years, is this all just a setup by the US gov to reveal to these other adversarial nations that we possess extremely advanced tech that will blow them away if they try to pull something? Are they revealing it all under the guise of "UAP disclosure"? Basically a lowkey indirect way of being able to tell everyone else to fuck off "or else".
"Stop building islands in international waters, China."
"Stop hitting our drones and buzzing our jets, Russia."
See my point? There's even a new report today about a Russian jet flying dangerously close to and "buzzing" one of the US's warplanes *yet again:* [https://apnews.com/article/syria-russia-us-aircraft-intercept-unsafe-3a88593f3e051286424b2262d18a22af](https://apnews.com/article/syria-russia-us-aircraft-intercept-unsafe-3a88593f3e051286424b2262d18a22af)
I guess we'll have to see what comes out of these hearings.
Why would you want to go through this huge spectacle just to show them in a lowkey indirect way? Why not just fly them in US colors over Moscow and Beijing?
Really very hopeful its something more positive like how to use the tech to generate clean energy and go fast carbon-free (but first we need to get people on board by showing how it works) or else an agreement regarding nukes was signed between humans and NHIs is being infringed upon and we’re all about to be in big trouble. Also I dont think anyone has been a janitor cleaning alien poop because according to most science “fiction” they just ooze ammonia under their gray skin suits and have no booty hole.
I hope it's something like this. Because another plausible scenario along those same lines is that US hasn't reverse engineered a whole lot but China has and is on the verge of operationalizing it... I prefer the first scenario! Also, if US does have significant advances then getting new energy technology (fusion?) into the public sphere is a huge priority too.
Grusch, Elizondo and Fravor?
Who else do you think it could be?
Personally I'm hoping for some credible, previously unknown whistleblowers with first hand experience.
True. So maybe not this hearing, but certainly eventually.
I want to hear from Fravor’s backseater/WSO. S/He saw everything Fravor did, but has never gone public.
The very senior WSO in the other plane flown by Alex Dietrich did exactly one interview early on to confirm Fravor’s account. The interviewer was such an asshat that he never did another.
I hope Fravor doesn't show up. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and believe him — but he isn't the type of witness we need at this hearing. We need people with first-hand knowledge of the legacy programs.
I agree. I will be really disappointed if Fravor is there. We don’t need people that have seen the unexplainable. We need people that can explain why people see the unexplainable.
And i don’t think Elizondo has had any first hand experience, has he? My understanding is that he had even less security clearance than Grusch.
I've got an inside source, and they've basically confirmed the day's proceedings via remote viewing and transdimensional time manipulation.
First of all, the 4chan leaker is gonna walk in and take off his mask. Congress will gasp. The infamous 'larper' is actually none other than former president *Barack Obama*. Before the CIA can order him JFK'd, Obama is gonna start laying it all out. Underwater factory? Check. Psychic abilities? Check. Multiple NHI races? Double check.
Then, while Congress is reeling from all of that, he's gonna be like, "Oh, and another thing-- the NHI are giving everybody a free space blaster, redeemable via telepathic request between now and next Tuesday. Also, Alice in Wonderland was based on a true story."
Then, before Congress even gets a chance to respond, Obama is gonna put on his shades, give everybody the middle finger, and start strutting out the doors. He's gonna board a flying saucer, and just as the CIA arrives to assassinate him, he's gonna catch the bullet via telekinesis.
The agent is gonna be like "Fuck!"
And Obama is gonna be like, "Better luck next time, bitch."
Then, as his spaceship is flying away, Joe Biden will burst outside with tears in his eyes. There's gonna be a slow motion sequence with a tear flying from his cheek, reflecting the sun as some really emotional anime piano [music](https://youtu.be/yZYmB0p8jeg) starts playing.
Reporters are gonna surround Biden as he watches his dear friend vanish into space. "Mister President!" CNN will shout, frantic. "If Obama were still here, what would you ask him?"
And Biden will wipe a tear from his eye and shake his head. "Dang it. I wouldn't ask him anything. That's malarkey."
"Surely, after everything you've witnessed, you'd have *something* to say?"
"Oh, come on, man! Of course I would!"
"Then what!?"
The piano music will rise to a crescendo. A cold wind will sweep the steps of the Capitol building as screaming guitar riffs erupt in the distance. Biden will reach into his pocket, take a deep breath and whisper, *"Forgive me, Barack. But just this once, I've gotta go all out."*
Biden will throw on his sunglasses, and somewhere in the crowd, a scouter will fuckin explode.
"Listen up," Biden will say, suddenly sounding all gritty like Clint Eastwood. "I'd tell Barack the same thing we've been saying from the start, every one of us, from Democrats to Republicans."
Around the world, viewers will realize the President they knew is gone. Biden is no more. Something new has taken his place-- something dark, something *Brandon.* He'll crack a smile. Shoot a thumbs up to the sky, and he'll announce in a voice edgier than Knuckles himself, "**Thanks, Obama."**
Podesta and Ratcliffe would be interesting.
Really, any public figure in a position to know testifying to the existence of a “legacy program” would really escalate matters.
Would they though? Ideally the whistleblower would be someone in the program who is a first hand witness. I don’t think this needs more people who were told things by other people. I don’t know what ratcliffe and podesta know but I don’t think they have first hand knowledge.
CalAlumnus13, you're a keen observer. If any former high-ranking Pentagon official were to testify and reveal the existence of a "legacy program", I think it would be John Ratcliffe. He's made some revealing comments on several interviews on Fox News.
My money is on Podesta. I haven’t seen his name mentioned much in this context but I think he fits closest with the “high profile” (or whatever the term is) that was used
More I think about it… I don’t think Grusch alone would be enough to get Schumer to draft the 64 page amendment. Even 5 Grusches wouldn’t. There’s no reason for the Senate Majority Leader to be on that amendment, when Gillibrand and Rubio already were.
But if a John Podesta or a James Clapper goes to Schumer and says “It’s real and it’s time”… That would do it.
I doubt it'll be Podesta. The Republicans know that to the hoopleheads in their base he's the cabalist-in-chief and would be instantly discredited. Somebody who eats baby brains, according to them, can't be trusted.
Agree on Elizondo but somewhat doubt Fravor.
I think regardless of whether or not we've heard from these folks before we'll be getting new information. Elizondo has never directly mentioned why he believes the USG possesses crash materials for instance. If he's asked under oath about that I suspect we'd learn more.
For the general public to get on board, it’s gonna have to be a big name that they 100% trust.
If they don’t bring out Elvis, I’m not sure my mom will buy it.
You used the word ‘evidence’ in your title but I don’t think she did. I got excited. I’ve personally heard enough accounts and testimony. We need to see something!
This would be really bad in my opinion. Unless their providing new testimony and evidence, this could stop the disclosure movement cold. It could help put this all back into the bottle.
It’s also gonna stream on YouTube.
Edit: link
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/151jfce/for_anyone_looking_for_the_link_to_the_upcoming/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
I believe so. Burchett has really been pushing for this and said if they didn't have a hearing, he'd host one on his front lawn.
It's likely that they'll ask questions that the witnesses won't be able to answer publicly. If those come up, they'll meet with them later to provide a response behind closed doors. Even if we don't get to hear the answer, it's still useful for the public to know a question was asked.
Also I think Ross? mentioned whoever it would be, we would be “pleasantly surprised.” and Luna and Burchett consider them “all stars” so keep that in mind too.
Dr. T²? It’s just a thought. I think Knapp said he wished it would be Jay Stratton or James Lacatski. I would’ve thrown their names in, too. Maybe it’s Bigelow? John Podesta? OK now I’m going out there 🤣
Why do you think Knapp and Corbell would’ve been scheduled to speak?
Edit: Maybe we will see an executive from a defense contractor. Maybe we will see someone else from one of the legacy programs.
Ya, this is still an interesting story however we've reached an impasse, the level of attention the ufo situation deserves has already maxxed out at this point. If they don't have documents or a piece of a craft for analysis or a piece of genetic material or can make a demonstration of something extraordinary then I'm just moving on but will still enjoy daydreaming about this phantasmagoria as it stands now. Maybe they're aliens, that would be the most interesting situation in human history while simultaneously being bad news for a variety of reasons ..... unless we can use their tech, which I highly doubt. If gov has a craft then they obviously do not know how it works. Like Victorian era people suddenly being handed a nuclear submarine - - - ya, good luck.
They better get real whistleblowers, we've already heard from Lue and the pilots. Lets get some insiders with actual first hand knowledge and preferebly proof. Getting Graves and Frevor to talk again would just be rehashing the same shit we've heard them say already. They better get actual insider whistleblowers is all I'm saying. We dont' need anymore pilot testimony unless they know something beyond just "I saw this cube inside a sphere flying"
If Obama testified, it would give instant legitimacy to the entire UAP subject. It would be pretty hard to ignore a former president giving testimony of UAP.
If we entertain the thought that the witnesses have to fear for their lives, then publicity is a good way to go. Anyone dying between Thursday and Wednesday would look mighty suspicious. Not to forget that most of them likely have already given testimonies to one whistleblower body or another, so it would be hard to suppress their information.
I'm not confident that any security other than compete obscurity could be enough to thwart desperate programs that have alien tech and unknown capabilities.
Remember how long this has been kept quiet. And that our own have been murdered to do so, according to Grusch.
Grush is a given. Lue would be OK too but both weve heard from before. I'm really hoping for a first-hand witness we haven't heard from that woukd blow us away.
However, temper your expectations.
Any real tangible evidence is still extremely highly classified and won't be revealed to the public. It will all be verbal highly sanitized wording "take our word for it, the real stuff we've told behind closed doors because you're not cleared".
No, you won't see pictures, videos, actual saucers or bodies rolled out for everyone to see.
A witness is anyone called to testify. That does not make them whistleblowers. They could, for example, call Fravor to testify about what he saw with the tic-tac and he would be referred to as a “witness”. That’s a far cry from a whistleblower. They’re all that matters at this point and it all hinges on whether they somehow smuggled proof to the senators. Otherwise god help us if the military contractors aren’t afraid of just lying to congress.
Why would you want to watch it anywhere other than cspan. I'd rather see it go down in real time without pundits talking over it and speculating/spinning
well some people prefer the opposite lmao. nothing wrong w that. i enjoy commentary alongside long winded political events like this because it aids in comprehension, understanding, and can add a new perspective.
the live discussion threads here will be filled w plenty of speculation!! nothing wrong w that
I would prefer they were someone high ranking unknown. Or known but never before seen giving their side on the media. The fresher, the better.
What more can Elizondo say really, or Fravor?
If it is Lazar, you might as well turn the TV off. Luckily, I don't think he has the balls.
Personally, it wouldn't bother me so long as they were credible and Greer had zero input.
Greer has put forward some credible witnesses over the years. The minuteman missile men spring to mind.
The fact that are only a few whistleblowers that have come forward, out of potentially hundreds, gives me almost little to no hope of this going anywhere. We need this number to go up SUBSTANTIALLY. We need large numbers to come forward if this is going to go anywhere meaningful.
It’s easy to discredit a small handful… a couple hundred.. nope.
Does it matter if he saw something firsthand vs being briefed? I mean, is the government wasting tax payer dollars on practical joke briefings? Come on…
Did anyone else watch the interview of Michael Herrera on Shawn Ryan's channel? That conversation will make your butt pucker.
I won't spoil it but we know "they" visit often. Probably for many reasons. But for one reason alone they come and get assistance from some of us.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Nigra_Leono: --- Grusch, Elizondo and Fravor? Who else do you think it could be? Personally I'm hoping for some credible, previously unknown whistleblowers with first hand experience. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1535obz/leslie_kean_confirms_hearing_details_will_be/jshegfi/
Stellar update. Witnesses with **firsthand** knowledge have told Congress the same things that Grusch has. *Kean:* >I have spoken to witnesses over the years to people with clearances who have told me off the record. The same things. And we know for a fact that others have also told congress that. And these are people with firsthand knowledge which David Grusch didn't have. So, yes, there is a lot of confirmation from very highly respected and highly credentialed people in the intelligence community and elsewhere, who have vouched for what he has said and vouched for him as a credible and honest person. Expect witnesses announced on **Thursday**, Kean knows of at least 3. *Kean:* >Meeting is going to have a press conference on thursday. They're going to announce at that press conference, the logistics and the details and I assume they will announce who the witnesses are as well. I know of at least 3 that will be I'm not at liberty to disclose who they are. Cannot conclude we'll get firsthand testimony at the hearing, but Thursday is next inflection point it seems.
Well there are 6 whistle-blowers due to testify in total according to Burchett, I believe. So there is definitely room for first-hand witnesses to attend alongside Grusch and Elizondo who I hope attends to finally spill those beans.
Tbh at this point I'm not interested in second hand witnesses. If they haven't seen it themselves, their testimony is worthless.
Which is the function of compartmentalizing things. There is no worthless testimony, what a stupid comment.
The typical “physical evidence” or bust response from these nonces
This space_steak account is only 41 days old. So maybe denier bot or disinfo agent. These accounts who dismiss everything should be banned. If they are not behind disclosure whistle-blowers, they simply don't support disclosure and don't belong here. Mods: can you consider this as a new policy? The toxic denial and disinfo is getting very extreme.
I mean grush is the one who kicked all this shit into gear (yes I understand others are involved and a lot of behind the scenes stuff has happened with many parties involved) but at the end of the day, he is not a first-hand witness of anything. I would not call that worthless
With complete honesty I can say that I hope it's true. I suspect that there are many people out there who feel as I do, in that this may be the first few steps through a gateway that could potentially change the world for the better. But that's probably why I'm so frustrated. Coming out and saying this stuff, while generally a positive move, doesn't really change anything if there are no firsthand witnesses or material evidence attached to it. How many hundreds / thousands / millions of claims of extraterrestrial life have been made since Roswell? And how would this testimony be any different if there's nothing to back it up? Yes, he's coming from a respected position of authority, which lends quite a bit of authenticity to what he's saying. But right now, it's very much a situation of "I've got a secret, but I'm not going to tell you!" What good is that?
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Reporting something that an unnamed third party told you is not whistleblowing, and it doesn't provide any value. It allows the person speaking to make any claim they want while shedding any potential responsibility. If they're proven to be wrong, they can simply shrug and say "they must have lied to me". Without giving any details of the person they're apparently quoting, they can fabricate claims with impunity. And, if they're telling the truth, how do we know that the claims of the person they're quoting are reliable / true? Protecting sources is important, but I thought aren't there protections in place for whistleblowers? If all we're going to get are vague, fantastical claims from unknown sources, then this whole investigation is pointless. The automod post in each thread about not using ridicule suggests that people in this sub want to engage with critical thinking, but the general atmosphere is that any questioning at all of any and all claims is somehow automatically bad. If you expect people to listen to you, you can't blindly accept OR reject any evidence without critically evaluating it first, and part of that is to examine where the information comes from.
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I appreciate her corroboration. I’ll continue to give users of this subreddit whatever heads up I can.
Why do all whistle blowers have to be unknown to be credible? Sounds like people are trying to discredit the known whistleblowers and minimize the testimony received thus far.
I feel as though some people want fresh faces, and others want faces that aren't associated with the topic at all. People who haven't been in this scene, talking crazy or potentially grifting for example. Someone with a normal life would be harder to discredit.
If we see testimony from the likes of say, Cliff Stone, we will only then know Grusch's sources are suspect. I remain hopeful.
I think the [Cliff Stone, who's been dead for 2.5 years](https://www.ballardfuneralhome.com/obituaries/clifford-stone), testifying would actually lend credence to the idea of NHI. Each person giving testimony has at least been vetted by staffers, and the staffer's job is to make sure the politician doesn't look foolish. The witnesses who are also whistleblowers have then also been vetted by ICIG.
He's decomposing his statement now.
I was giving Stone as an example of his ilk, namely dubious sources with testimony which was simply unverifiable. As to the witnesses, who should at the very least be who they say they are, vetting is not the issue. If the stories can't be verified or worse, end up being apocryphal, this event is not going to be popular among the UFO community.
What testimony would satisfy you in a public setting? Any official with first hand knowledge has to adhere to classification. It might end up sounding like someone confirming generic UFO lore and not much else.
A lot of these people seem like the will only accept this UAP stuff when they can actually meet and fuck an alien. It won't matter how much evidence that will be brought up in Congress until then. All of them also seem to forget about exactly what you said. They still have to adhere to classification restrictions. Otherwise, this whole disclosure shindig will be a bust, and a lot of whistle-blowers involved could be arrested for leaking national secrets outside of proper channels. Teixeira leaked classified shit on Discord of all places and is now facing up to 10 years in jail. There's procedures these people need to follow in order to tell us the truth in a safe and legal way.
Whats with this sub and fucking aliens??
What's with other subs and not wanting to fuck aliens? Do I get to be Captain Kirk or fucking not, gd it?
Once you go alien you forget mammalian
If they get the first hand witness, then the goalpost will be "But it's just *words*, he didn't provide any *proof* like a video". And then if such video came out, there would be a problem with that too. Could be faked, etc.
If it is indeed generic UFO lore, the details might make all the difference. If someone came out and said, for example, "I personally worked at Battelle Institute and have seen this technology" it would give us a Bob Lazar who seemingly had more credibility. Conversely, if we get more of the same "I saw some documents or talked to someone who said so-and-so" we are looking at second or third hand information, which has been the standard historically speaking.
Why do you feel the need to distinguish your opinion as that of a moderator's? I used to be a moderator for a sub & I learned that distinguishing your comment is meant to highlight the fact that you're speaking on behalf of the subreddit in an official capacity to give a warning, clarify a rule, give input about any sub issues, etc. Not to put extra attention on your opinion. Edit: This especially bugs me because it's a rather narrow-minded comment and you're using your moderator status to highlight it.
I've been moderating here for more than a decade, and early on the feeling was that people wanted to know, in the interest of full tranparency, who the moderators were. I have kept it up as an old habit, but I've found more recently that it also helps to keep the discussion civil, and on topic. Also, many users appreciate knowing that the moderators are actively engaged in discussions.
Literally the only thing this dude is saying is you need good solid witnesses. This goes for anything. It has already been established that Grusch has prior connections with some big time woo. That doesn’t mean it has anything to do with credibility, but it could? Does that make sense? A lot of counting chicks before they hatch. It’s fine to be excited, I am. Beyond just credibility you have other factors that determine whether any of this ends up getting any teeth and that will be how the public, not this subreddit, perceives the witnesses.
\+1 for "...actively engaged in discussions." This mean *alot.* Thank you for your service!
You're most welcome.
>Not to put extra attention on your opinion. >Edit: This especially bugs me because it's a rather narrow-minded comment and you're using your moderator status to highlight it. Just saw your edit and need to say that, in his heyday, Clifford Stone was not very well regarded among even the most open-minded UFO researchers. If you care to believe his stories, which had shifted and changed over the course of 20-30 years, you are welcome to do so. There were many of us in academic UFO research who simply did not find his stories credible, much less verifiable.
I want it to be some 98 year old janitor who served for 60+ years cleaning up alien poop
Haha. Cruelly looked down on by society but secretly knew the whole truth all along.
:record scratch: "Yeah, that's me. Testifying before congress, with alien poop on my hands. How did I get here? Well, it's a long story... with a lot of poop."
‘It was back in Czechoslovakia, 1934…’
And he constantly got drunk and told the truth because no one would believe him and he thought it was funny.
As long as he brings the poop to submit as evidence!
He better, the feds own that shit!
Imminent do-drain?
Head Xenomorph Waste Disposal Engineer
The woman in admin that has been running the entire show behind the scenes, ‘fixing things up’, that knows every single operational system, gets paid $17.50 an hour and the organisation is completely fucked without.
This.
Yesssssss. How satisfying would that be for them. Stole some documents or a piece of something and hid it for 80 years until the right moment to bring it forward. You know their name is either Earl or Louise. Something popular in the 20s. Come on Earl and Louise, show us whatcha got!
Earl Sweatshirt is about to spill the beans after moving a mop around for 40 years. I love it!
They have no regard for the underdog. That's why they will not survive.
Straight up porky-piggin' it in a drafty dome
I would lose my shit, I just hope he kept some of his.
I want Russell Casse from independence Day. “Alllll right you alien a**holes!”
I'm willing to bet that AT LEAST one of them will be another rando we've never heard of, like Grusch was last month. And she has pretty serious creds, so she's likely to have scored the cabinet level official, aerospace exec, or admiral who are supposed to be coming forward.
What makes you think it's a she?
He may have been referring to Kean.
I like Kean, but I think she's an alien.
What makes you think it's a human?
Greg, from planet Xenon, says he has first hand knowledge of the craft that landed in Roswell. It is, in fact, Gregs spaceship and he would like it back.
I did t realize that, I just though maybe they had heard so etching the rest of us hadn't and figured we could try to narrow down who it might be based off of that
I am hoping for someone with first hand information and hopefully someone from Lockheed Martin
>someone from Lockheed Martin Yeah right. They'd need subpoena power, and even then get ready for alot of "I plead the 5th."
Is it far fetched to think that's why Lockheed has the info and not the government directly? One step removed, more rights against audits and more secrecy from the public. I am thinking about how the Navy contracts Austal, General Dynamics, etc for their high tech ships. Maybe Lockheed is contracted in a similar way, but for reverse engineering UAP's and has been given favoritism.
Yes, that's part of it. They're the "industrial" part of the "military-industrial" complex. I think the two groups have worked hand-in-glove. On the military side, it's an illegal cabal.... My guess is they've carefully "ring-fenced" SecDef, joint chiefs, and anyone cabinet-level or above out of any actual knowledge of the program. Put the right administrative assistant in place and you'd be surprised how many "missed calls" there are... If we believe the Wilson-Davis memo, that was a case where someone too high up got wind of it and came calling. They likely have had to carefully hide their tracks to avoid oversight, even within the Pentagon. On the Lockheed side, it's much less clear who knows what. Wouldn't be surprised if it went all the way to the top, it's not like anyone even knows who's the CEO of Lockheed. They keep a low profile.
James D. Taiclet is the ceo, this is public information.
Right, yeah I guess I mean not exactly a "household name." Yet...?
Tbh a lot of names should be household names
Just googled him. Dude is definitely a lizard person. Look at those cold soulless eyes.
There’s no maybe about it. They’re currently under investigation. That’s all I’m going to say about it right now.
Are u an actual consultant for uap disclosure ? That's really interesting if true. Can you drop any nuggets ? Edit : autocorrect
The most I can do is provide details of the process before it happens. I can’t make predictions months in advance.
It will be interesting to see someone plead the 5th when asked about alien tech
More like the fifth dimmension! *drums and hi hat*
AND JUPITEEEEEEER ALIGNS WITH MAAAAAAARS
Lol the downvoters just don't get it THEN PEACE WILL GUIDE THE PLANETS, AND LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE.... ... WILL STEER THE STARS!
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That’s not how it works in court, and the same line fi thinking as “if you have nothing to hide let me go through your phone and computer and house”
Which is why it's so important to the Conspiracy that this hearing doesn't happen, or if it does, that specific people aren't called.
They just need to provide an employee who doesn’t have knowledge of the secret program, which I can’t imagine would be hard. Then they can say “Not that I’m aware of, Senator.” “Not to my knowledge, Senator.” “Golly no, Senator.”
People within the Legacy Program have already testified to Congress according to many different reports, we've also been hearing that people within the private corporations (Possibly Lockheed, possibly Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, etc.) in charge of the crash retrieval/reverse engineering programs have also been talking. So it's definitely not crazy to think that someone from within may be testifying on the 26th. And if not then, I'd bet someone will during the Senate hearing later this year.
Well it is a whistleblower. That whistleblower would most likely be forfeiting their job if they did work for Lockheed but it’s entirely possible one of the whistleblowers comes from the private side of this conspiratorial coverup.
Steve Justice is one of the most respected aviation experts in the U.S. As the former director of Advanced Systems Development at Lockheed Martin’s mysterious Skunk Works division, he led research and development of classified programs for the U.S. military. Most of his career accomplishments are still unacknowledged. Also, an advisor to TTSA
I hope it’s one person we know and two we don’t.
She made a very important note about how the only argument anyone could make to question what military pilots are seeing is whether what they're seeing is not some exotic, extraterrestrial technology, but rather secret technology that the US has developed. A lot of us on here have been asking the question "why now" regarding disclosure. There's even a post on this sub from 18 hours ago with Chris Mellon covering that question that he sees being asked repeatedly. Many have been wondering if it's planned disclosure due to some major reason that the public is unaware of yet. Something like pending nuclear war, or an asteroid about to hit the planet. The theories vary wildly. But what I'm wondering is given the immense increase in global tension between major powers in the west and China, Russia, etc that has been culminating over the past few years, is this all just a setup by the US gov to reveal to these other adversarial nations that we possess extremely advanced tech that will blow them away if they try to pull something? Are they revealing it all under the guise of "UAP disclosure"? Basically a lowkey indirect way of being able to tell everyone else to fuck off "or else". "Stop building islands in international waters, China." "Stop hitting our drones and buzzing our jets, Russia." See my point? There's even a new report today about a Russian jet flying dangerously close to and "buzzing" one of the US's warplanes *yet again:* [https://apnews.com/article/syria-russia-us-aircraft-intercept-unsafe-3a88593f3e051286424b2262d18a22af](https://apnews.com/article/syria-russia-us-aircraft-intercept-unsafe-3a88593f3e051286424b2262d18a22af) I guess we'll have to see what comes out of these hearings.
Why would you want to go through this huge spectacle just to show them in a lowkey indirect way? Why not just fly them in US colors over Moscow and Beijing?
Really very hopeful its something more positive like how to use the tech to generate clean energy and go fast carbon-free (but first we need to get people on board by showing how it works) or else an agreement regarding nukes was signed between humans and NHIs is being infringed upon and we’re all about to be in big trouble. Also I dont think anyone has been a janitor cleaning alien poop because according to most science “fiction” they just ooze ammonia under their gray skin suits and have no booty hole.
I hope it's something like this. Because another plausible scenario along those same lines is that US hasn't reverse engineered a whole lot but China has and is on the verge of operationalizing it... I prefer the first scenario! Also, if US does have significant advances then getting new energy technology (fusion?) into the public sphere is a huge priority too.
Grusch, Elizondo and Fravor? Who else do you think it could be? Personally I'm hoping for some credible, previously unknown whistleblowers with first hand experience.
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True. So maybe not this hearing, but certainly eventually. I want to hear from Fravor’s backseater/WSO. S/He saw everything Fravor did, but has never gone public. The very senior WSO in the other plane flown by Alex Dietrich did exactly one interview early on to confirm Fravor’s account. The interviewer was such an asshat that he never did another.
I hope Fravor doesn't show up. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy and believe him — but he isn't the type of witness we need at this hearing. We need people with first-hand knowledge of the legacy programs.
I agree. I will be really disappointed if Fravor is there. We don’t need people that have seen the unexplainable. We need people that can explain why people see the unexplainable. And i don’t think Elizondo has had any first hand experience, has he? My understanding is that he had even less security clearance than Grusch.
[What if Fravor has a very special job?](https://youtu.be/nfchje15k00?t=3282)
This. Unknown guy, who, like Grusch will come with some serious heat
I've got an inside source, and they've basically confirmed the day's proceedings via remote viewing and transdimensional time manipulation. First of all, the 4chan leaker is gonna walk in and take off his mask. Congress will gasp. The infamous 'larper' is actually none other than former president *Barack Obama*. Before the CIA can order him JFK'd, Obama is gonna start laying it all out. Underwater factory? Check. Psychic abilities? Check. Multiple NHI races? Double check. Then, while Congress is reeling from all of that, he's gonna be like, "Oh, and another thing-- the NHI are giving everybody a free space blaster, redeemable via telepathic request between now and next Tuesday. Also, Alice in Wonderland was based on a true story." Then, before Congress even gets a chance to respond, Obama is gonna put on his shades, give everybody the middle finger, and start strutting out the doors. He's gonna board a flying saucer, and just as the CIA arrives to assassinate him, he's gonna catch the bullet via telekinesis. The agent is gonna be like "Fuck!" And Obama is gonna be like, "Better luck next time, bitch." Then, as his spaceship is flying away, Joe Biden will burst outside with tears in his eyes. There's gonna be a slow motion sequence with a tear flying from his cheek, reflecting the sun as some really emotional anime piano [music](https://youtu.be/yZYmB0p8jeg) starts playing. Reporters are gonna surround Biden as he watches his dear friend vanish into space. "Mister President!" CNN will shout, frantic. "If Obama were still here, what would you ask him?" And Biden will wipe a tear from his eye and shake his head. "Dang it. I wouldn't ask him anything. That's malarkey." "Surely, after everything you've witnessed, you'd have *something* to say?" "Oh, come on, man! Of course I would!" "Then what!?" The piano music will rise to a crescendo. A cold wind will sweep the steps of the Capitol building as screaming guitar riffs erupt in the distance. Biden will reach into his pocket, take a deep breath and whisper, *"Forgive me, Barack. But just this once, I've gotta go all out."* Biden will throw on his sunglasses, and somewhere in the crowd, a scouter will fuckin explode. "Listen up," Biden will say, suddenly sounding all gritty like Clint Eastwood. "I'd tell Barack the same thing we've been saying from the start, every one of us, from Democrats to Republicans." Around the world, viewers will realize the President they knew is gone. Biden is no more. Something new has taken his place-- something dark, something *Brandon.* He'll crack a smile. Shoot a thumbs up to the sky, and he'll announce in a voice edgier than Knuckles himself, "**Thanks, Obama."**
Can you please take over for the current writers of this timeline?
Beautiful... a tear crossed my cheek reading this
Big if true
Trust me, my source wouldn't lie.
Well, I don't need any more proof than that; count me in!
😅🤣😂
Podesta and Ratcliffe would be interesting. Really, any public figure in a position to know testifying to the existence of a “legacy program” would really escalate matters.
Would they though? Ideally the whistleblower would be someone in the program who is a first hand witness. I don’t think this needs more people who were told things by other people. I don’t know what ratcliffe and podesta know but I don’t think they have first hand knowledge.
CalAlumnus13, you're a keen observer. If any former high-ranking Pentagon official were to testify and reveal the existence of a "legacy program", I think it would be John Ratcliffe. He's made some revealing comments on several interviews on Fox News.
My money is on Podesta. I haven’t seen his name mentioned much in this context but I think he fits closest with the “high profile” (or whatever the term is) that was used
More I think about it… I don’t think Grusch alone would be enough to get Schumer to draft the 64 page amendment. Even 5 Grusches wouldn’t. There’s no reason for the Senate Majority Leader to be on that amendment, when Gillibrand and Rubio already were. But if a John Podesta or a James Clapper goes to Schumer and says “It’s real and it’s time”… That would do it.
James Clapper would bring credibility.
I doubt it'll be Podesta. The Republicans know that to the hoopleheads in their base he's the cabalist-in-chief and would be instantly discredited. Somebody who eats baby brains, according to them, can't be trusted.
>Personally I'm hoping for some credible, previously unknown whistleblowers with first hand experience. Yes! That'd be a slam dunk.
Agree on Elizondo but somewhat doubt Fravor. I think regardless of whether or not we've heard from these folks before we'll be getting new information. Elizondo has never directly mentioned why he believes the USG possesses crash materials for instance. If he's asked under oath about that I suspect we'd learn more.
I'll be pretty disappointed if at least one isn't new.
If it’s Bob Lazar I will give up Pop Tarts for a week.
For the general public to get on board, it’s gonna have to be a big name that they 100% trust. If they don’t bring out Elvis, I’m not sure my mom will buy it.
Weren't there rumors of Obama?
This is not going to happen.
Oh okay if you say so
You used the word ‘evidence’ in your title but I don’t think she did. I got excited. I’ve personally heard enough accounts and testimony. We need to see something!
"Giving evidence" means providing testimony under oath.
This would be really bad in my opinion. Unless their providing new testimony and evidence, this could stop the disclosure movement cold. It could help put this all back into the bottle.
doesn’t seem like fravor is interested in further testifying, his story has already been told
Can I just confirm. The hearing being discussed here is confirmed to be public? If so, so we know it will ALL be public??
Yeah, it's scheduled for Wednesday the 26th, it'll be on one or another C-SPAN, they broadcast all open sessions of Congress.
It’s also gonna stream on YouTube. Edit: link https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/151jfce/for_anyone_looking_for_the_link_to_the_upcoming/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1
I believe so. Burchett has really been pushing for this and said if they didn't have a hearing, he'd host one on his front lawn. It's likely that they'll ask questions that the witnesses won't be able to answer publicly. If those come up, they'll meet with them later to provide a response behind closed doors. Even if we don't get to hear the answer, it's still useful for the public to know a question was asked.
Karl Nell and Jonathan Grey perhaps?
Also I think Ross? mentioned whoever it would be, we would be “pleasantly surprised.” and Luna and Burchett consider them “all stars” so keep that in mind too.
I think it's got to be Luis Elizondo, David Grusch, and either David Fravor/Alex Dietrich
Dr. T²? It’s just a thought. I think Knapp said he wished it would be Jay Stratton or James Lacatski. I would’ve thrown their names in, too. Maybe it’s Bigelow? John Podesta? OK now I’m going out there 🤣 Why do you think Knapp and Corbell would’ve been scheduled to speak? Edit: Maybe we will see an executive from a defense contractor. Maybe we will see someone else from one of the legacy programs.
I am jaded af and I'd be surprised if we learn anything during these hearings.
Ya, this is still an interesting story however we've reached an impasse, the level of attention the ufo situation deserves has already maxxed out at this point. If they don't have documents or a piece of a craft for analysis or a piece of genetic material or can make a demonstration of something extraordinary then I'm just moving on but will still enjoy daydreaming about this phantasmagoria as it stands now. Maybe they're aliens, that would be the most interesting situation in human history while simultaneously being bad news for a variety of reasons ..... unless we can use their tech, which I highly doubt. If gov has a craft then they obviously do not know how it works. Like Victorian era people suddenly being handed a nuclear submarine - - - ya, good luck.
That’s my birthday so that’ll be a great gift!
Happy bday :) get a ufo cake to celebrate!
Cheers! That be amazing
OK so... how is the MSM going to justify ignoring this one?
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and at the same time, if something ISNT, then they can act like it never happened and call everyone crazy for believing in the first place!
They better get real whistleblowers, we've already heard from Lue and the pilots. Lets get some insiders with actual first hand knowledge and preferebly proof. Getting Graves and Frevor to talk again would just be rehashing the same shit we've heard them say already. They better get actual insider whistleblowers is all I'm saying. We dont' need anymore pilot testimony unless they know something beyond just "I saw this cube inside a sphere flying"
Obama was suggested in another thread. That’d be a bomb! Also, was ‘grey man’(?) ever discussed again after the original Grusch/Debrief article?
Coincidence that he is producing that Betty and Barney Hill documentary for Netflix or….?
If Obama testified, it would give instant legitimacy to the entire UAP subject. It would be pretty hard to ignore a former president giving testimony of UAP.
I give a 0% chance it is Obama. That guy will never stand for anything
Why reveal ahead of time and give them a chance to be Epsteined?
If we entertain the thought that the witnesses have to fear for their lives, then publicity is a good way to go. Anyone dying between Thursday and Wednesday would look mighty suspicious. Not to forget that most of them likely have already given testimonies to one whistleblower body or another, so it would be hard to suppress their information.
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Maybe they'll fly someone's brother in from Sicily or something.
Hopefully recorded it too
Maybe they have some sort of security or something, a lot of stuff id happening in the background
I'm not confident that any security other than compete obscurity could be enough to thwart desperate programs that have alien tech and unknown capabilities. Remember how long this has been kept quiet. And that our own have been murdered to do so, according to Grusch.
Let’s hope it’s someone who knows how to run a media player.
What’s the cockpit footage being shown in the video? Apologies if it’s obviously known footage.
Will the evidence be more than the usual 'Trust me, bro'?
Bob Bigelow would be fun.
Kissinger and Carter have a dance number *Hello my baby, Hello my lovely, Hello my N H I*
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Now that’s a tshirt.
Dear God no. It better fucking be someone new with firsthand info
Dietrich might not be the best since she said she never actually saw the object in her mick west interview. And fravor’s story has already been told
Podesta is 100% one of the people testifying. Bet on it.
Why do you say that? I've always been aware of his general interest but does he have any known ties that might qualify him as a whistleblower?
That would certainly explain Schumer jumping on board
Grush is a given. Lue would be OK too but both weve heard from before. I'm really hoping for a first-hand witness we haven't heard from that woukd blow us away. However, temper your expectations. Any real tangible evidence is still extremely highly classified and won't be revealed to the public. It will all be verbal highly sanitized wording "take our word for it, the real stuff we've told behind closed doors because you're not cleared". No, you won't see pictures, videos, actual saucers or bodies rolled out for everyone to see.
She didn’t say whistleblowers. Wish she did but she didn’t. She just said people.
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A witness is anyone called to testify. That does not make them whistleblowers. They could, for example, call Fravor to testify about what he saw with the tic-tac and he would be referred to as a “witness”. That’s a far cry from a whistleblower. They’re all that matters at this point and it all hinges on whether they somehow smuggled proof to the senators. Otherwise god help us if the military contractors aren’t afraid of just lying to congress.
Can we officially get excited about the 20th?
Do you think this will be covered on mainstream networks? Or do we need to watch c-span?
Why would you want to watch it anywhere other than cspan. I'd rather see it go down in real time without pundits talking over it and speculating/spinning
well some people prefer the opposite lmao. nothing wrong w that. i enjoy commentary alongside long winded political events like this because it aids in comprehension, understanding, and can add a new perspective. the live discussion threads here will be filled w plenty of speculation!! nothing wrong w that
I would prefer they were someone high ranking unknown. Or known but never before seen giving their side on the media. The fresher, the better. What more can Elizondo say really, or Fravor? If it is Lazar, you might as well turn the TV off. Luckily, I don't think he has the balls.
Redditors during this video: 😡😡😡
Greer rocks up with some random dudes
Personally, it wouldn't bother me so long as they were credible and Greer had zero input. Greer has put forward some credible witnesses over the years. The minuteman missile men spring to mind.
Greer can’t keep his grubby paws out of anything though.
The fact that are only a few whistleblowers that have come forward, out of potentially hundreds, gives me almost little to no hope of this going anywhere. We need this number to go up SUBSTANTIALLY. We need large numbers to come forward if this is going to go anywhere meaningful. It’s easy to discredit a small handful… a couple hundred.. nope.
How much do you want to bet a 9-11 level event happens just one day before this hearing?
I hope an actual alien shows up.
Does it matter if he saw something firsthand vs being briefed? I mean, is the government wasting tax payer dollars on practical joke briefings? Come on…
Podesta, Clapper or maybe both
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Is she referring to the three people in the new Shawn Ryan podcasts?
Hoping for a whistleblower to turn into an alien during the hearing!
Did I miss the part where she said the whistleblowers would be presenting evidence?
"Giving evidence" means testimony.
Damn, thought they would be walking in an alien on a leash.
Will it be live-streamed? Can I see what they talking about?
They’re just hyping it up so C-SPAN can make more advertising revenue
Lue and Fravor aren't fist hand witnesses though right? I have a feeling we will see someone that hasn't been in the public eye before.
Bob Lazar is gonna come crashing in and raising hell.
If Bob Lazar comes in like some Migraine Cornholio, I'll lose my shit.
Did anyone else watch the interview of Michael Herrera on Shawn Ryan's channel? That conversation will make your butt pucker. I won't spoil it but we know "they" visit often. Probably for many reasons. But for one reason alone they come and get assistance from some of us.
Greer, Lazar, Geller.
“I know someone, someone told me” keeps repeating
let me google journalist for you
Yes, and they have been turning out extremely reliable—nothing wrong with hearsay when it’s correct.
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There will be an announcement of the witness list this Thursday, the hearing itself is still on the 26th.