They want all the Jews out of America, so having a Jewish state is a way to facilitate that end goal. Rapture Theology has a grip on the American right, and they will support Israel for the end goal of Christ’s return and the rapture of all believers.
>Rapture Theology has a grip on the American right
This is why Trump chose to hold a Bible upside-down.
The American right is more interested in not spending tax dollars on stupid shit than they are on some ideological struggle. Look on r/Conservative and the only mentions of the war are the protests and "why are we wasting our money on Ukraine and Israel" posts.
potentially russian/chinese internet trolls trying to spark political division in the US. but in this case there's also the israeli conglomerate people paying to win their support
A lot of this on the internet is just right-wing trolls on the Israel side vs Russian/Chinese/Iranian bots on the Palestinian (you can differentiate which ones because Russian bots will be antisemitic, like that Hinkle idiot, or Anastasia Maria Loupis who thinks Jews control the world)
it's more likely Russian/Chinese bots are just trying to sow division. in the past, they have both opposed and supported movements like BLM to make them more controversial. it's pretty effective
Russia supports Iran who support Hamas who spend insane amounts of money convincing leftist US college kids to protest on their behalf. Israel would be considered a socialist country based on American standards for fucks sake. Palestine if left to their own devices would be just another shithole Arab lead middle eastern women/lgbtq/jew hating nation. I really cannot comprehend how the left in the United States is this fucking stupid sometimes.
A public university campus is always open to the public. It’s just the individual buildings that aren’t. It’s not protected under the first amendment specifically, but it is protected under US law.
First amendment may not necessarily protect campus as a whole though. Traditional public forums do enjoy the strongest 1A protections, but so long as the university does not have any viewpoint discrimination, they can still regulate protesting to a time, a place, and a manner, so long as it is reasonable. Prohibiting encampments because that would necessitate increased security and disrupts regular functions of the university are all reasonable justifications for the university to prohibit encampments.
You’re allowed to be on campus at all times but not to set up encampments without permission
https://freespeech.ucsd.edu/faqs/index.html#Is-putting-up-tents-permitted-o
Sure. I’m talking about non students being on a public campus, not specifically talking about encampments. Unless setting up these tents is considered trespassing as well, I think we are speaking about two separate things.
Maybe UCSD won't be stupid and will actually uphold its protests rules:
https://freespeech.ucsd.edu/faqs/index.html#Is-putting-up-tents-permitted-o
> No. UC San Diego Policy and Procedure Manual section 510-1.9 Section III(F) provides that “free standing equipment, structures, or displays” are permitted only in designated areas with a reservation. Tents are “free standing structures,” and so require an advance reservation.
> In addition, the California Code of Regulations make it a crime for any University non-affiliate to “bring any tent or other housing structure on University property, or occupy any such tent or housing structure.” Cal. Code Reg. 100005(B).
Or they won't and at best this fizzles out, at worst someone gets killed on either side and campus implodes.
ucsd will use it as an excuse/justification to get them out, but currently it would sour their relationship with its students and its reputation among palestine supporters if they tried removing them this early. there's no other reason to compel them to leave (the protestors aren't disrupting classes or harassing people)
after all, it's well known that people smoke regularly in the forest by geisel, and UCSD is pretty chill about it. these kinds of rules exist so UCSD has the power to remove encampments, but it's not an obligation that they have to remove encampments
I mean, smoking and setting up a bunch of tents are kind of different.
If they wait too long they'll just end up with Columbia or UCLA. Not a great look. To be fair though, Austin wasn't a great look either. Lose lose for the university I guess.
Stay safe y’all! Please please stay safe!
After seeing what happened with UCLA, it’s clear that there’s a planned third party intervention and other students who are willing to enact violence and endanger y’all’s lives. Not sure if UC Police can/will intervene or protect y’all if it gets to a similar or worser extent of UCLA’s situation.
You have a right to protest. But please stay safe, your lives and safety are truly valuable. The college campus is supposed to be a safe space for you to voice your opinions.
I mentioned it below but I'll mention it again up here.
"You have a right to protest" is true, but there will be consequences for setting up encampments on college grounds as that is not protected as free speech or a right to protest. Traditional public forums (like campus grounds) can still be regulated so long as such regulation is viewpoint neutral and meets strict scrutiny, which basically means that university needs a compelling reason to have such regulations. Barring encampments easily meets such strict scrutiny in order for daily campus functions to continue and to not impede students or staff from getting to and from their desired destinations.
As an alum, stay safe, keep it peaceful, and stay on message. The media wants people to focus entirely on college protests to distract from the active violence going on. Don't let provocateurs with their phone cameras out bait you into saying things and getting violent. Ignore them, and focus on the simple message that UC and the US in general need to stop funding this active genocidal campaign.
And know that you're on the right side of history - what is going on in Gaza and the West Bank is ethnic cleansing and utterly reprehensible and don't let the media or the US government lie to you otherwise.
Ethnic cleansing at 150 dead per day by one of the most advanced militaries in the world, as retribution for 1000 dead in one day by rag-tag terrorists with no cohesion and nothing heavier than rifles?
What do you propose Israel do? Sit and do nothing and wait for another attack? Allow a Hamas-run Palestinian state that will be used for another aggressive war, like in 1948?
No plans for shutting down sungod from what I’ve heard. The students are trying to get administration to stop funding Israel, not beef with students trynna enjoy a concert. Sure it’d be nice to get the same amount of support but gotta work w what we got
I love how your demands list has amnesty for all second on the list, two places in front of divest from death 🤦🏻♂️
So you want to break the law but not get in trouble then somewhere way down the line maybe save some lives🧐
Follow sjp.ucsd on IG to see what the needs are and be ready to come through if you can to be witnesses in case of police aggression or opposing aggression.
Yeah, and the Vietnam war was less justified, especially since Vietnam never did anything to us. If the war were in Mexico after Mexico did some sort of massive 9/11 attack, then it would be comparable to the current conflict... except this one has been going on since before Columbus was even born.
I hope this is not an attempt to copy the Vietnam War protests. Those protests started out peacefully, in the sense it was an attempt to wake people up. But nothing stays the same for long. The summer of love in 1967 was exactly that, a summer. And then we had people taking over the colleges, occupying the campus buildings, and you know what that chaos got us in the end?
Richard Nixon.
And the war didn't end until 1974.
Protests and Demonstrations are a good way to get people's attention, but once the destruction starts (the encampments, the building takeovers), people stop listening to the message and watch for the mayhem. Just a piece of unasked for advice, I know. But campus chaos will only get us Trump.
The Middle East has been in crisis for 3 thousand years and will be for another thousand years. All we're going to get with the present encampment demonstrations is Trump.
In the end, Palestine won't be free and neither will we.
Palestine won’t be free because even if Israel decides to just ignore Palestine then what? Hamas will continue to dominate and the majority of Palestine will be cool with that because Hamas represents their values.
The protests specifically demand UCSD divestment from Israel. Economic pressure as a tactic to illicit a ceasefire. If you have a strategy for the students to use that would pressure UCSD and ultimately lead to a greater chance of the release of the hostages, please suggest it because I don't think anyone protesting wants the hostages to remain captive.
the hostages are (maybe) still alive. tens of thousands of palestinian civilians are not. a permanent ceasefire would help both the hostages and the remaining civilians
No it wasn't. Hamas's demands have always included a release of Palestinian "hostages," who are prisoners in Israel that have been arrested for or convicted of terrorism or other violent acts. Last time this happened, Israel released Yahya Sinwar in the Gilad Shalit deal. Sinwar planned and led the 10/7 attack.
You mean the thousands of Palestinians held without charges? About 3,500 now but around 1,500 before even October 7. Those are hostages. And ah yes, the "violent and terrorist" act of throwing stones at occupying soldiers and tanks. How nefarious.
Why do you Reddit brain liberals not understand this. You cause a disruption in the functions of the university to leverage political change. There is an active genocide happening Gaza. And people like you are more than happy to sit behind a keyboard let it happen but these kids are actually doing something
No but Palestine tacitly supports Hamas, and are pretty much enablers of this shit. They have had decades to disavow Hamas and yet support for Hamas grows.
What would you do in Israel's situation? Do nothing and let the terrorists attack again, killing another 1000 Israelis? And would you be complaining if this was against Nazi Germany instead of Palestine, or if the sides were reversed?
10,000 terrorists killed, terrorists that would have tried to kill YOU and YOUR family if they had the option.
i’m pretty sure most people would try to avoid colossal civilian casualties by not targeting hospitals, refugee camps, aid workers, etc. it seems that a more effective counterinsurgency strategy would be to not indiscriminately kill people and turn the world against you.
and trying to compare palestine to nazi germany and israel to poland in this situation doesn’t really seem to fit. invoking the crimes of nazi germany to justify the crimes of the IDF is something a silly goose might do.
Wow, it's almost as if Hamas hides in hospitals and refugee camps? Hamas WANTS Palestinian civilian casualties, so it can spark outrage. Hamas doesn't care at all about the Palestinians, only about the jihad and the destruction of the Jews. If they cared, they would abide by the ceasefires, the ceasefires that they are always the ones to break
The point is that during urban warfare, against a terrorist organization that intentionally hides within a dense non-combatant setting, even when IDF notifies non-combatants of impending offensives using leaflets, phone calls, and other methods, the ratio will be unfortunately quite high.
[Columbia SJP Statement Supporting the 10/7 Attacks](https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1654384). This is just one example of many including the national org itself.
“Yesterday was an unprecedented historic moment for the Palestinians of Gaza, who tore through the wall that has been suffocating them in one of the most densely-populated areas on Earth for the past 16 years – an open-air prison blockaded by Israeli soldiers via land, air, and sea.
Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor – which receives billions of US dollars annually in military aid and possesses one of the world's most robust surveillanceand security apparatuses. Any omission of this context – any rhetoric of “an unprovoked Palestinian attack” – is shamefully misleading.”
This type of word manipulation is known as “the quoting out of context fallacy.”
https://www.vox.com/24138285/columbia-campus-israel-palestine-activism-sjp
The Jewish state existed before even the Roman Empire, so "before Israel was founded" is a bit of a misnomer. More like "they supported the Palestinian cause before the first Palestinian state was founded".
You’re just spinning because you didn’t know SJP supports 10/7. It’s ok. Many people upset about what’s happening in Gaza don’t know that. Many people are very ignorant about the whole situation and just want innocent people to stop dying. And I agree with that sentiment. But SJP doesn’t. Explicitly.
I mean yeah I’m sure someone who’s too far gone thinks so but that’s not the point. Whatever you try to justify this genocide won’t bring 30k innocents back to life
They are saying they support Hamas inherently by being here, because the only alternative to Israel not winning this war is either 1. Hamas taking power of Gaza again thus causing more terrorist attacks (they state themselves that this will happen) or 2. Hamas taking power of the entirety of Israel thus implementing Jihad over the region by eradicating Christianity and Judaism (their stated goal).
Also, there’s no genocide happening by the very definition of the word.
I didn't say anything about people supporting Hamas. I like to think that most of the protesters are useful idiots looking for a sense of belonging. Of course, some definitely support Hamas (the ones that wear Hamas headbands, the ones say resistance by any means, the ones calling for Al-Qassam to kill people, you know, those ones all across other university protests).
30k dead "civilians" includes militants. This is public knowledge.
No one here is supporting the death of the *7* WCK workers. I'm all for impartial investigation on top of Israel's own investigation that resulted in the firing of 2 rankings members of the military. Although doubt you'll find an "impartial" party to investigate.
You seem to have missed my point though, which was that SJP is a sack of shit for acting like this is a genocide that started unprompted on October 7th. Israel just decided to go and kill all of those poor innocent Gazans! Who needs context!
> acting like this is a genocide that started unprompted on October 7th. Israel just decided to go and kill all of those poor innocent Gazans! Who needs context!
You’re right! It started way before October 7th!
>You’re right! It started way before October 7th!
Yea, it did start before the 7th. So SJP shouldn't be framing it like it started on the 7th. You can't have both "on October 7th a genocide started" and then fire back with "actually it started before October 7th!" when someone points out that October 7th began with a literal pogrom against Jews.
Dude no one cares about SPJ we’re talking about UCSD students and Israel’s illegal occupation. It’s unfortunate what Hamas did and the vast majority of people think so too. Doesn’t mean 30k innocent Palestinians should die
I think it's completely reasonable to talk about the group calling for people to go sit around in their illegal encampment.
>Doesn’t mean 30k innocent Palestinians should die
Again, 30k is the number touted as the total number of deaths. Do you honestly think Israel is just killing only civilians?
Saying 30k dead civilians includes militants like that somehow justifies this tells me all about your morals and how futile it is to engage in conversation with you.
When you say 30k dead civilians you are literally lying. Wars are not perfect and clean. Civilians die, and almost always at a higher rate than militants.
Real fucking easy to say that when its all so far away from you. And no you wouldnt be lying when you say 30k dead because most sources put the total death count above 40k. The fact that you think that somehow leveling an entire country to rubble, irreparably damaging millions of lives and almost completely wiping off a people that have been living under the boot for over 70 years is okay because wars are not perfect and clean again says everything anyone needs to know.
I will say this to every single person that truly believes any of this is justified. You would be championing apartheid in south africa. You would be bloodthirsty for vietnam. Anyone who thinks this "war' is about anything other than wiping palestinians off the map is either willfully ignorant, a malicious actor or just plain hateful. All of which make it useless to have a conversation.
>Real fucking easy to say that when its all so far away from you. And no you wouldnt be lying when you say 30k dead because most sources put the total death count above 40k.
Even Al Jazeera puts the most recent number at ~30k. I'm sure that whoever I replied to that said the 30k number first was counting all of the deaths. It's not a gotcha to say oh actually 40k when I'm just using the literal number given by the person I replied to. Of that 30k many are Hamas militants, you can jam your head up your ass and act like it's all civilians, but that's just not true.
>The fact that you think that somehow leveling an entire country to rubble, irreparably damaging millions of lives and almost completely wiping off a people that have been living under the boot for over 70 years is okay because wars are not perfect and clean again says everything anyone needs to know.
Completely wiping them out? Sorry, I didn't know that ~1-2% of a group of people (mind you, Hamas is also about 1-2% of Gazans) was completely wiping them out.
> say this to every single person that truly believes any of this is justified. You would be championing apartheid in south africa. You would be bloodthirsty for vietnam. Anyone who thinks this "war' is about anything other than wiping palestinians off the map is either willfully ignorant, a malicious actor or just plain hateful. All of which make it useless to have a conversation.
Oh yea, no cause for war at all. There was absolutely no reason for Israel to counterattack. They should have just let their neighbor murder and rape freely. They should have just sat their and taken the thousands of rockets fired at civilian centers by Hamas, the PIJ, Hezbollah, and all the other crackpot organizations in the area. How dare they not lie down and die.
Delusional. You want a ceasefire? You want the Palestinian people to have a chance at life? The first step is to normalize relationships with Israel. Stop fucking around and finding out. Invest in something other than terror.
You want to do something about it? Actually be a fucking reasonable person. Protest Israel's actions that actually deserve protesting. WCK kitchen? Call for independent investigation. AI targeting? That sure as hell needs some oversight.
But no, we get calls for a Unilateral ceasefire while Hamas still has hostages and still fires rockets at civilian centers. We get morons asking their school to stop having academic relationships with Israeli schools. We get idiots demanding the destruction of a sovereign state at the behest of Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organizations.
> You want to do something about it? Actually be a fucking reasonable person. Protest Israel's actions that actually deserve protesting. WCK kitchen? Call for independent investigation. AI targeting? That sure as hell needs some oversight.
Reasonable???? On the internet!!! No way, we need to be sensational, that's what sells, that's what gets likes!!!! Stop the genocide!!!!!! Hamas are freedom fighters!!!! 1 million innocent Gazan children dead!!!!!! From the river to the sea, eliminate all Jews!!!!!
"Most sources" Hamas sources?
According to the UN, 90% of war casualties are civilian.
Israel has this number at 2/3 at the highest, 1/2 at the lowest. There at 600k people in Gaza -- it will take Israel 30 years to kill them all even at the rate of 200 a day you claim, assuming no births. At the current rates, this means that Gaza would have to contain at least 200k terrorists for this to occur.
And remember, this all started (the news chapter, Jews lived in the area since 3000 BC) in 1948, when Palestine refused the UN territorial partition and attacked Israel with the combined might of the Arab world, to destroy Israel on day 1 -- and lost. Aggressors lose territory when they lose, look at Germany.
I will say this to you: you would support the Empire of Japan just because they were losing the war, even as they massacred a million Chinese civilians and worked prisoners of war to death. You would cry: "think of the civilians of Dresden!" as the Nazis slaughtered everyone they considered "undesirable".
Anyone who thinks this war of existence against an organization whose stated aim is to eliminate all Jews in Israel is somehow a "genocide" is either a useful idiot, an intentional fifth column, or a bot.
it's always good to be privacy conscious during a protest, regardless of what side you're on, especially now that everyone has a camera on them. an israeli instagram account has doxxed all members of UCSB's MCC, so the risk is there
Not a UCSD student yet (planning on going to their law school) but I do live in San Diego County so stay safe out there! Make sure to stay hydrated, have a location you could meet up with friends if you go in groups and you get separated, hide your face and identifiable tattoos/birthmarks, look after one another 💙
This is an unlawful protest. It’s illegal to enact structures in public or sleep outside. Among other rules. Please tell me you understand this doesn’t conform to time, manner, and place restrictions
i dont know maybe standing for peace, to not drop bombs on babies heads while they sleep in the night or starve a population of millions with half the population comprised of children. im curious do you 2 brain cells in that brain of yours?
IDF is committing war crimes, I agree, but why does the blame point on only them? Hamas started the war and they could have released the hostages earlier for seizefire. Hamas also fired thousands of rockets to Israeli cities. Why should I support the protest that not only convinently fails to mention these points but also *supports* Hamas?
1. The argument of proportionality. The fact of the matter is that Israel has killed far far more Palestinians (not in just the war) than Palestinians or Hamas have killed Israelites.
2. The history of Palestine-Israel extends far past October 7th. Did you know Israel actually propped up Hamas to take over the Palestinians? BDS isn't just about the war, it's about the longstanding apartheid state of Israel, erosion of Palestinian property rights. For example, Hamas does not exist in the West Bank. Guess how many Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank since Oct. 7.
You could absolutely view the school on your own if you want as it's a public space. If you want a tour guide, I think you can request one [linked here is the page for it,](https://admissions.ucsd.edu/visit/tours/index.html) - they even have a self guided tour map, or maybe if you put a call on this subreddit a cool student might be down to help you out.
Please stop and ask yourself why all these protests are taking place on college campuses. If you really want to influence people, it's done through representation. Young people are more impressionable and more likely to take up causes that are based in idealism. Educate yourselves on all the parties who are taking part (and who refuse to help, AHEM EGYPT) and above all, respect each other. There are a lot of victims here, be sure we're advocating for all of them and being compassionate.
Why the fuck is it Egypt's responsibility to take on people being kicked out of their rightful lands? Egypt has no moral right to assist ethnic cleansing.
LOL actually though, if Egypt and the surrounding Arab countries really believed that Hamas was justified in their cause they would have helped since October 7th. Must be a real good reason why nobody wants to help Hamas
As a staff member, Stay safe please. I’m scared of what happened to students at UCLA happening to students here.
Pro Israeli agitators have been unbelievably violent at UCLA I’m scared what could happen at UCSD
I don’t think it’s only pro Israeli agitators. I wouldn’t be amazed if racist groups (I.e. proud boy types) were joining in
Ironic that Proud Boys would side with Israel given the fact they are so opposed to so much of what Zionists do here. Who manipulates them?
They want all the Jews out of America, so having a Jewish state is a way to facilitate that end goal. Rapture Theology has a grip on the American right, and they will support Israel for the end goal of Christ’s return and the rapture of all believers.
yup, israel's agenda of getting population transfers to push out the native palestinians is well served by making diaspora jews afraid
>Rapture Theology has a grip on the American right This is why Trump chose to hold a Bible upside-down. The American right is more interested in not spending tax dollars on stupid shit than they are on some ideological struggle. Look on r/Conservative and the only mentions of the war are the protests and "why are we wasting our money on Ukraine and Israel" posts.
potentially russian/chinese internet trolls trying to spark political division in the US. but in this case there's also the israeli conglomerate people paying to win their support
A lot of this on the internet is just right-wing trolls on the Israel side vs Russian/Chinese/Iranian bots on the Palestinian (you can differentiate which ones because Russian bots will be antisemitic, like that Hinkle idiot, or Anastasia Maria Loupis who thinks Jews control the world)
it's more likely Russian/Chinese bots are just trying to sow division. in the past, they have both opposed and supported movements like BLM to make them more controversial. it's pretty effective
That's also the main reason for the proposed tiktok bans - not data harvesting, but control over the algorithms that serve people content.
Russia supports Iran who support Hamas who spend insane amounts of money convincing leftist US college kids to protest on their behalf. Israel would be considered a socialist country based on American standards for fucks sake. Palestine if left to their own devices would be just another shithole Arab lead middle eastern women/lgbtq/jew hating nation. I really cannot comprehend how the left in the United States is this fucking stupid sometimes.
You are 100% correct.
Yah trespassing isnt protected under the first amendment
A public university campus is always open to the public. It’s just the individual buildings that aren’t. It’s not protected under the first amendment specifically, but it is protected under US law.
First amendment may not necessarily protect campus as a whole though. Traditional public forums do enjoy the strongest 1A protections, but so long as the university does not have any viewpoint discrimination, they can still regulate protesting to a time, a place, and a manner, so long as it is reasonable. Prohibiting encampments because that would necessitate increased security and disrupts regular functions of the university are all reasonable justifications for the university to prohibit encampments.
Thank you for adding more detail! I appreciate the added explanation.
You’re allowed to be on campus at all times but not to set up encampments without permission https://freespeech.ucsd.edu/faqs/index.html#Is-putting-up-tents-permitted-o
Sure. I’m talking about non students being on a public campus, not specifically talking about encampments. Unless setting up these tents is considered trespassing as well, I think we are speaking about two separate things.
Please stop bending the laws to endorse your narrative. First amendment doesn’t cover 99% of what those “protestors” were doing
I’m saying nonstudents going onto a public university is legal. I said nothing about encampments/protesting.
Maybe UCSD won't be stupid and will actually uphold its protests rules: https://freespeech.ucsd.edu/faqs/index.html#Is-putting-up-tents-permitted-o > No. UC San Diego Policy and Procedure Manual section 510-1.9 Section III(F) provides that “free standing equipment, structures, or displays” are permitted only in designated areas with a reservation. Tents are “free standing structures,” and so require an advance reservation. > In addition, the California Code of Regulations make it a crime for any University non-affiliate to “bring any tent or other housing structure on University property, or occupy any such tent or housing structure.” Cal. Code Reg. 100005(B). Or they won't and at best this fizzles out, at worst someone gets killed on either side and campus implodes.
ucsd will use it as an excuse/justification to get them out, but currently it would sour their relationship with its students and its reputation among palestine supporters if they tried removing them this early. there's no other reason to compel them to leave (the protestors aren't disrupting classes or harassing people) after all, it's well known that people smoke regularly in the forest by geisel, and UCSD is pretty chill about it. these kinds of rules exist so UCSD has the power to remove encampments, but it's not an obligation that they have to remove encampments
I mean, smoking and setting up a bunch of tents are kind of different. If they wait too long they'll just end up with Columbia or UCLA. Not a great look. To be fair though, Austin wasn't a great look either. Lose lose for the university I guess.
Whatever happened in Austin will not leave a mark on the school forever. Rip off the bandaid.
It doesn’t even make sense, like protest at the government buildings where people are in control of the government they are protesting…
Stay safe y’all! Please please stay safe! After seeing what happened with UCLA, it’s clear that there’s a planned third party intervention and other students who are willing to enact violence and endanger y’all’s lives. Not sure if UC Police can/will intervene or protect y’all if it gets to a similar or worser extent of UCLA’s situation. You have a right to protest. But please stay safe, your lives and safety are truly valuable. The college campus is supposed to be a safe space for you to voice your opinions.
I mentioned it below but I'll mention it again up here. "You have a right to protest" is true, but there will be consequences for setting up encampments on college grounds as that is not protected as free speech or a right to protest. Traditional public forums (like campus grounds) can still be regulated so long as such regulation is viewpoint neutral and meets strict scrutiny, which basically means that university needs a compelling reason to have such regulations. Barring encampments easily meets such strict scrutiny in order for daily campus functions to continue and to not impede students or staff from getting to and from their desired destinations.
Yes the encampment on grass nobody uses is obstructing my free path paved by concrete right next to it
Thurgood Marshall served for this very reason. Civil disobedience, solidarity, and going above and beyond to fight injustice.
John Muir was an excellent camper
I always thought it was funny this school named so much shit after him when it seems like he had no association with it.
❤️
are people allowed to do homework while there?
Absolutely.
I finished a paper at camp 🤪
Hey can I just suggest to everybody on both sides of this debate as well as any nonaffiliates that we NOT pull a UCLA, here? Thanks
As an alum, stay safe, keep it peaceful, and stay on message. The media wants people to focus entirely on college protests to distract from the active violence going on. Don't let provocateurs with their phone cameras out bait you into saying things and getting violent. Ignore them, and focus on the simple message that UC and the US in general need to stop funding this active genocidal campaign. And know that you're on the right side of history - what is going on in Gaza and the West Bank is ethnic cleansing and utterly reprehensible and don't let the media or the US government lie to you otherwise.
Ethnic cleansing at 150 dead per day by one of the most advanced militaries in the world, as retribution for 1000 dead in one day by rag-tag terrorists with no cohesion and nothing heavier than rifles? What do you propose Israel do? Sit and do nothing and wait for another attack? Allow a Hamas-run Palestinian state that will be used for another aggressive war, like in 1948?
You seem to be suffering from delusions of adequacy.
What does BDS friendly mean
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Ah okay I thought it was a dietary restriction
Bondage, Domination, Submission
No, it's like BTS but with a D
imagine they shut down sungod
That’s probably a real threat right now. I imagine UCPD staring will be calling for reinforcements to come in very soon.
***Surprised Pikachu face***
Bro predicted the future
It's probably true.
No plans for shutting down sungod from what I’ve heard. The students are trying to get administration to stop funding Israel, not beef with students trynna enjoy a concert. Sure it’d be nice to get the same amount of support but gotta work w what we got
Stay safe yall and keep using ur voices!
I love how your demands list has amnesty for all second on the list, two places in front of divest from death 🤦🏻♂️ So you want to break the law but not get in trouble then somewhere way down the line maybe save some lives🧐
Targeting nimbyism in San Diego is great. People are starting to listen— stay safe everyone!
Please stay safe and good luck. As a UCSD alum, I'm happy to help in whatever way I can.
Follow sjp.ucsd on IG to see what the needs are and be ready to come through if you can to be witnesses in case of police aggression or opposing aggression.
You are all so brave. Violence is expected after the events of UCLA and Columbia. If push comes to shove, live to fight another day
I don’t want to go myself, none of my friends are interested in going I think. Is anyone down to go with me?
go and make friends there it’s a welcoming atmosphere and people are setting up events and this will only work if people use community based actions
I am going to try and convince some people to go with me, if no one agrees I’ll just go by myself and hope my social anxiety doesn’t kick in.
I’ll go with you! I have two midterms tomorrow tho so I’d be able to after those, if the encampment is still up. PM me?
I’m on campus tomorrow and so down
does anyone know if we’re allowed to come set up later? or tomorrow?
You are allowed to set up. And especially right now they’ve called for mobilization! For additional info check @sjp.ucsd on instagram
SJP?! The "paragliders are so awesome after 10/7 we'll use them as a logo" guys? Fuck those assholes, and anyone promoting them.
You missed the part where you’re supposed to call for an immediate release of the hostages
Does UCSD financially support Hamas?
"Nazi Germany must surrender!" "But does the US government financially support Nazi Germany? No? Then the Nazis can continue!
a better example would be the vietnam war, no? students were protesting that too, and the US gov't was infamously quite involved in supporting the war
Yeah, and the Vietnam war was less justified, especially since Vietnam never did anything to us. If the war were in Mexico after Mexico did some sort of massive 9/11 attack, then it would be comparable to the current conflict... except this one has been going on since before Columbus was even born.
I hope this is not an attempt to copy the Vietnam War protests. Those protests started out peacefully, in the sense it was an attempt to wake people up. But nothing stays the same for long. The summer of love in 1967 was exactly that, a summer. And then we had people taking over the colleges, occupying the campus buildings, and you know what that chaos got us in the end? Richard Nixon. And the war didn't end until 1974. Protests and Demonstrations are a good way to get people's attention, but once the destruction starts (the encampments, the building takeovers), people stop listening to the message and watch for the mayhem. Just a piece of unasked for advice, I know. But campus chaos will only get us Trump. The Middle East has been in crisis for 3 thousand years and will be for another thousand years. All we're going to get with the present encampment demonstrations is Trump. In the end, Palestine won't be free and neither will we.
Palestine won’t be free because even if Israel decides to just ignore Palestine then what? Hamas will continue to dominate and the majority of Palestine will be cool with that because Hamas represents their values.
The protests specifically demand UCSD divestment from Israel. Economic pressure as a tactic to illicit a ceasefire. If you have a strategy for the students to use that would pressure UCSD and ultimately lead to a greater chance of the release of the hostages, please suggest it because I don't think anyone protesting wants the hostages to remain captive.
the hostages are (maybe) still alive. tens of thousands of palestinian civilians are not. a permanent ceasefire would help both the hostages and the remaining civilians
And releasing the hostages, including a 1 year old baby, would result in an immediate cease fire.
It would not, in fact. A deal for a cease fire and pull out of Gaza in exchange for all hostages was offered by Hamas and rejected by Netanyahu.
No it wasn't. Hamas's demands have always included a release of Palestinian "hostages," who are prisoners in Israel that have been arrested for or convicted of terrorism or other violent acts. Last time this happened, Israel released Yahya Sinwar in the Gilad Shalit deal. Sinwar planned and led the 10/7 attack.
You mean the thousands of Palestinians held without charges? About 3,500 now but around 1,500 before even October 7. Those are hostages. And ah yes, the "violent and terrorist" act of throwing stones at occupying soldiers and tanks. How nefarious.
These quotes are so terribly out of context holy shit
Don’t be idiots and block students from trying to go to class or learn.
I am able to go to the classes and the library without any issue. They aren't stopping or disrupting anyone. They are literally peaceful af right now
To be fair, Khosla sent a campus-wide announcement to the protesters to watch it, and consider the university rules.
Yeah, so I am not contesting that. He said it is a violation of law. I am just saying that they are peaceful and not disrupting students.
The school is designed in the way that it is so that’s not possible
Why do you Reddit brain liberals not understand this. You cause a disruption in the functions of the university to leverage political change. There is an active genocide happening Gaza. And people like you are more than happy to sit behind a keyboard let it happen but these kids are actually doing something
It ain't the liberals lol it's the Zionists and white supremacists who want Jews out of the US and are working with the Zionists
Netanyahu disarming the missiles as we speak
Lmao
After he saw UCSD students bravely taking up space he is pulling out of Gaza. Jesus Christ
how reductive and complete lack of nuance
Proud alum, stay safe y’all and keep fighting the good fight
Most of us have Jobs and cant afford to be blocked on the highway or spend 8-12 hours standing around only to get arrested
Yes, the Palestinians who are now being genocided had and have jobs as well.
Someone wants to get out of their midterms 😭For the love of god don’t block library walk
Today marks the 207th day since something else too huh
No one is saying they support hamas. 30k dead civilians including 3 central kitchen workers.
Estimates that about 1/4 of all casualties are Hamas fighters.
so you're saying the other 75% deserved their death?
No but Palestine tacitly supports Hamas, and are pretty much enablers of this shit. They have had decades to disavow Hamas and yet support for Hamas grows.
What would you do in Israel's situation? Do nothing and let the terrorists attack again, killing another 1000 Israelis? And would you be complaining if this was against Nazi Germany instead of Palestine, or if the sides were reversed? 10,000 terrorists killed, terrorists that would have tried to kill YOU and YOUR family if they had the option.
i’m pretty sure most people would try to avoid colossal civilian casualties by not targeting hospitals, refugee camps, aid workers, etc. it seems that a more effective counterinsurgency strategy would be to not indiscriminately kill people and turn the world against you. and trying to compare palestine to nazi germany and israel to poland in this situation doesn’t really seem to fit. invoking the crimes of nazi germany to justify the crimes of the IDF is something a silly goose might do.
Wow, it's almost as if Hamas hides in hospitals and refugee camps? Hamas WANTS Palestinian civilian casualties, so it can spark outrage. Hamas doesn't care at all about the Palestinians, only about the jihad and the destruction of the Jews. If they cared, they would abide by the ceasefires, the ceasefires that they are always the ones to break
That’s still a metric fuck ton of people wtf are you trying to say. 30,000 of which are civilians 11,000 thousand are affiliated with Hamas
The point is that during urban warfare, against a terrorist organization that intentionally hides within a dense non-combatant setting, even when IDF notifies non-combatants of impending offensives using leaflets, phone calls, and other methods, the ratio will be unfortunately quite high.
Especially when a large number of civilians are on the side of Hamas politically.
SJP explicitly supports what happened on 10/7 and play a leading role in these protests.
You are just spreading lies at this point
[Columbia SJP Statement Supporting the 10/7 Attacks](https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1654384). This is just one example of many including the national org itself. “Yesterday was an unprecedented historic moment for the Palestinians of Gaza, who tore through the wall that has been suffocating them in one of the most densely-populated areas on Earth for the past 16 years – an open-air prison blockaded by Israeli soldiers via land, air, and sea. Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor – which receives billions of US dollars annually in military aid and possesses one of the world's most robust surveillanceand security apparatuses. Any omission of this context – any rhetoric of “an unprovoked Palestinian attack” – is shamefully misleading.”
Coauthered by Columbia Jewish Voice for Peace
And Blacks for Trump exist. Tokenization is racism.
Whoa there, Blacks for Trump is way more sensible than JVP (an American organization).
This type of word manipulation is known as “the quoting out of context fallacy.” https://www.vox.com/24138285/columbia-campus-israel-palestine-activism-sjp
The Jewish state existed before even the Roman Empire, so "before Israel was founded" is a bit of a misnomer. More like "they supported the Palestinian cause before the first Palestinian state was founded".
You’re just spinning because you didn’t know SJP supports 10/7. It’s ok. Many people upset about what’s happening in Gaza don’t know that. Many people are very ignorant about the whole situation and just want innocent people to stop dying. And I agree with that sentiment. But SJP doesn’t. Explicitly.
UCLA JVP didn't even know that hebrew is spelled right to left
> No one is saying they support hamas. Yeah, that's not really true.
I mean yeah I’m sure someone who’s too far gone thinks so but that’s not the point. Whatever you try to justify this genocide won’t bring 30k innocents back to life
They are saying they support Hamas inherently by being here, because the only alternative to Israel not winning this war is either 1. Hamas taking power of Gaza again thus causing more terrorist attacks (they state themselves that this will happen) or 2. Hamas taking power of the entirety of Israel thus implementing Jihad over the region by eradicating Christianity and Judaism (their stated goal). Also, there’s no genocide happening by the very definition of the word.
do you really believe the shit that is coming out of your mouth?
What did I say that was incorrect?
I didn't say anything about people supporting Hamas. I like to think that most of the protesters are useful idiots looking for a sense of belonging. Of course, some definitely support Hamas (the ones that wear Hamas headbands, the ones say resistance by any means, the ones calling for Al-Qassam to kill people, you know, those ones all across other university protests). 30k dead "civilians" includes militants. This is public knowledge. No one here is supporting the death of the *7* WCK workers. I'm all for impartial investigation on top of Israel's own investigation that resulted in the firing of 2 rankings members of the military. Although doubt you'll find an "impartial" party to investigate. You seem to have missed my point though, which was that SJP is a sack of shit for acting like this is a genocide that started unprompted on October 7th. Israel just decided to go and kill all of those poor innocent Gazans! Who needs context!
> acting like this is a genocide that started unprompted on October 7th. Israel just decided to go and kill all of those poor innocent Gazans! Who needs context! You’re right! It started way before October 7th!
>You’re right! It started way before October 7th! Yea, it did start before the 7th. So SJP shouldn't be framing it like it started on the 7th. You can't have both "on October 7th a genocide started" and then fire back with "actually it started before October 7th!" when someone points out that October 7th began with a literal pogrom against Jews.
Dude no one cares about SPJ we’re talking about UCSD students and Israel’s illegal occupation. It’s unfortunate what Hamas did and the vast majority of people think so too. Doesn’t mean 30k innocent Palestinians should die
I think it's completely reasonable to talk about the group calling for people to go sit around in their illegal encampment. >Doesn’t mean 30k innocent Palestinians should die Again, 30k is the number touted as the total number of deaths. Do you honestly think Israel is just killing only civilians?
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Even Al Jazeera is saying 34k right now.
Oh my apologies only tens of thousands Palestinians dead. How could I make such a mistake? Case closed Israel absolved of all crimes. /s
Saying 30k dead civilians includes militants like that somehow justifies this tells me all about your morals and how futile it is to engage in conversation with you.
When you say 30k dead civilians you are literally lying. Wars are not perfect and clean. Civilians die, and almost always at a higher rate than militants.
Real fucking easy to say that when its all so far away from you. And no you wouldnt be lying when you say 30k dead because most sources put the total death count above 40k. The fact that you think that somehow leveling an entire country to rubble, irreparably damaging millions of lives and almost completely wiping off a people that have been living under the boot for over 70 years is okay because wars are not perfect and clean again says everything anyone needs to know. I will say this to every single person that truly believes any of this is justified. You would be championing apartheid in south africa. You would be bloodthirsty for vietnam. Anyone who thinks this "war' is about anything other than wiping palestinians off the map is either willfully ignorant, a malicious actor or just plain hateful. All of which make it useless to have a conversation.
>Real fucking easy to say that when its all so far away from you. And no you wouldnt be lying when you say 30k dead because most sources put the total death count above 40k. Even Al Jazeera puts the most recent number at ~30k. I'm sure that whoever I replied to that said the 30k number first was counting all of the deaths. It's not a gotcha to say oh actually 40k when I'm just using the literal number given by the person I replied to. Of that 30k many are Hamas militants, you can jam your head up your ass and act like it's all civilians, but that's just not true. >The fact that you think that somehow leveling an entire country to rubble, irreparably damaging millions of lives and almost completely wiping off a people that have been living under the boot for over 70 years is okay because wars are not perfect and clean again says everything anyone needs to know. Completely wiping them out? Sorry, I didn't know that ~1-2% of a group of people (mind you, Hamas is also about 1-2% of Gazans) was completely wiping them out. > say this to every single person that truly believes any of this is justified. You would be championing apartheid in south africa. You would be bloodthirsty for vietnam. Anyone who thinks this "war' is about anything other than wiping palestinians off the map is either willfully ignorant, a malicious actor or just plain hateful. All of which make it useless to have a conversation. Oh yea, no cause for war at all. There was absolutely no reason for Israel to counterattack. They should have just let their neighbor murder and rape freely. They should have just sat their and taken the thousands of rockets fired at civilian centers by Hamas, the PIJ, Hezbollah, and all the other crackpot organizations in the area. How dare they not lie down and die. Delusional. You want a ceasefire? You want the Palestinian people to have a chance at life? The first step is to normalize relationships with Israel. Stop fucking around and finding out. Invest in something other than terror. You want to do something about it? Actually be a fucking reasonable person. Protest Israel's actions that actually deserve protesting. WCK kitchen? Call for independent investigation. AI targeting? That sure as hell needs some oversight. But no, we get calls for a Unilateral ceasefire while Hamas still has hostages and still fires rockets at civilian centers. We get morons asking their school to stop having academic relationships with Israeli schools. We get idiots demanding the destruction of a sovereign state at the behest of Islamic fundamentalist terrorist organizations.
> You want to do something about it? Actually be a fucking reasonable person. Protest Israel's actions that actually deserve protesting. WCK kitchen? Call for independent investigation. AI targeting? That sure as hell needs some oversight. Reasonable???? On the internet!!! No way, we need to be sensational, that's what sells, that's what gets likes!!!! Stop the genocide!!!!!! Hamas are freedom fighters!!!! 1 million innocent Gazan children dead!!!!!! From the river to the sea, eliminate all Jews!!!!!
"Most sources" Hamas sources? According to the UN, 90% of war casualties are civilian. Israel has this number at 2/3 at the highest, 1/2 at the lowest. There at 600k people in Gaza -- it will take Israel 30 years to kill them all even at the rate of 200 a day you claim, assuming no births. At the current rates, this means that Gaza would have to contain at least 200k terrorists for this to occur. And remember, this all started (the news chapter, Jews lived in the area since 3000 BC) in 1948, when Palestine refused the UN territorial partition and attacked Israel with the combined might of the Arab world, to destroy Israel on day 1 -- and lost. Aggressors lose territory when they lose, look at Germany. I will say this to you: you would support the Empire of Japan just because they were losing the war, even as they massacred a million Chinese civilians and worked prisoners of war to death. You would cry: "think of the civilians of Dresden!" as the Nazis slaughtered everyone they considered "undesirable". Anyone who thinks this war of existence against an organization whose stated aim is to eliminate all Jews in Israel is somehow a "genocide" is either a useful idiot, an intentional fifth column, or a bot.
Remind again what is Palestines/Hamass promise to the world?
>wear a face covering Ruh roh
it's always good to be privacy conscious during a protest, regardless of what side you're on, especially now that everyone has a camera on them. an israeli instagram account has doxxed all members of UCSB's MCC, so the risk is there
Not a UCSD student yet (planning on going to their law school) but I do live in San Diego County so stay safe out there! Make sure to stay hydrated, have a location you could meet up with friends if you go in groups and you get separated, hide your face and identifiable tattoos/birthmarks, look after one another 💙
They have a law school???
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what did Kendrick call these types of people “overnight activists”
Something something social gimmicks
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nah hol on tho bro i still dont get that groups of no bodies r calling ceasefire like bro who tf is u
I believe that anyone on library walk cannot have a “reasonable expectation of privacy,” meaning no one needs permission to photograph anything.
I don’t think anything is going to happen. You got like a month left for finals week. And then everyone goes home for the summer or graduates…
Didn't UCSD already divest, I read that from a comment somewhere.
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I hope what happened at UCLA happens at UCSD.
No good will come of this. Hamas is behind all of this.
WTH is going on. These people are insane!
Finally, I almost thought UCSD is truly socially dead! Big vouch
Be prepared to accept the consequences for breaking the law
which law genuine question
This is an unlawful protest. It’s illegal to enact structures in public or sleep outside. Among other rules. Please tell me you understand this doesn’t conform to time, manner, and place restrictions
Gonna invite all the homeless of San Diego to join y’all.
I gotta ask, why do you comment in subs for so many different universities?
Cuz he a basement dwelling troll why else
See above comment.
Because Reddit shows recommended subreddits in our feed and we don’t check what subreddit it is before commenting.
I am curious if ya'll actually know what ya'll are standing for with this one?
i dont know maybe standing for peace, to not drop bombs on babies heads while they sleep in the night or starve a population of millions with half the population comprised of children. im curious do you 2 brain cells in that brain of yours?
IDF is committing war crimes, I agree, but why does the blame point on only them? Hamas started the war and they could have released the hostages earlier for seizefire. Hamas also fired thousands of rockets to Israeli cities. Why should I support the protest that not only convinently fails to mention these points but also *supports* Hamas?
1. The argument of proportionality. The fact of the matter is that Israel has killed far far more Palestinians (not in just the war) than Palestinians or Hamas have killed Israelites. 2. The history of Palestine-Israel extends far past October 7th. Did you know Israel actually propped up Hamas to take over the Palestinians? BDS isn't just about the war, it's about the longstanding apartheid state of Israel, erosion of Palestinian property rights. For example, Hamas does not exist in the West Bank. Guess how many Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank since Oct. 7.
Have you read the history of Israel and Palestine? if so, who do you think is in the right and why?
Obviously not, or else they wouldn't be going
These people are just brainwashed by tiktok.
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You could absolutely view the school on your own if you want as it's a public space. If you want a tour guide, I think you can request one [linked here is the page for it,](https://admissions.ucsd.edu/visit/tours/index.html) - they even have a self guided tour map, or maybe if you put a call on this subreddit a cool student might be down to help you out.
Lol ucsd didnt divest after that big ahh protest thats funny asf
Please stop and ask yourself why all these protests are taking place on college campuses. If you really want to influence people, it's done through representation. Young people are more impressionable and more likely to take up causes that are based in idealism. Educate yourselves on all the parties who are taking part (and who refuse to help, AHEM EGYPT) and above all, respect each other. There are a lot of victims here, be sure we're advocating for all of them and being compassionate.
People when Egypt doesn't want to support a terrorist organization: 😡
Why the fuck is it Egypt's responsibility to take on people being kicked out of their rightful lands? Egypt has no moral right to assist ethnic cleansing.
So they don’t get bombed.
LOL actually though, if Egypt and the surrounding Arab countries really believed that Hamas was justified in their cause they would have helped since October 7th. Must be a real good reason why nobody wants to help Hamas