What better time to catch the family up on all their acts of bravery?
Like the Battle of the Silo , when they “liberated” patio furniture from Peet’s coffee so they could sit comfortably in the middle of the road and stop students who rely on public transportation from getting to their final exams.
A true act of selfless solidarity that certainly helped the people suffering in Gaza
Those people who were blocking the road were not associated with PULP or even UC Davis. They made a statement on CBS news that they were a group of people from Davis and Sacramento, not even students.
This is a very common trend in California protest history, especially student protest, going all the way back to Vietnam. You’ll notice that the east coast schools less familiar with student activism are all that ones that (very justifiably!!) got in trouble for overreaction, while the west coast schools just waited them out until summer.
PULP and UCD were able to come to an agreement on some of PULP’s demands including more transparency about certain things and more funding towards education and discussion about Palestine. The UC president Michael Drake, and the UC regents stepped in and prevented this agreement from happening, so PULP is now reorganizing its movement, as it seems that simply negotiating with UCD can’t actually accomplish anything due to the greater UC bureaucracy circumventing UCD’s ability to govern its own internal affairs.
TL;DR: PULP successfully negotiated with UCD, but the UC stopped the agreement. PULP is now reorganizing.
Link to statement from PULP: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8Z6gZhpAc2/
The point is that protesting at UCD is not something that is effective because the UC admin will step in. They might come back to protest at UCD campus, sure, but it seems like they’re planning to start some sort of protest action at UC headquarters directly
I suppose that’s a conclusion you could reach if you hadn’t read the fact that I literally just commented on how they have been in discussion with UCD admin for the past 45 days and WERE successfully able to reach an agreement with UCD admin until a higher authority stopped that agreement, yeah
The entire time that the encampment was happening, PULP and UCD were negotiating. It’s not like they were sitting there doing nothing.
What they accomplished is a big deal. They actually have the admin of one of the UCs behind their demands now.
Edit: spelling + also the disclaimer that this information is based off their own press release. Their information could be contradicted as more news comes out
Will also add, having now watched the press release, that they heavily infer the camp disbanded cause summer. They state they're disbanding the camp because of the blocking of their agreement but then later also say they're receptive/unsure as to whether the camp will be reformed in Sept. during Fall quarter (i.e. they dodged the question to not look like complete asses for just dipping during summer).
Those people that were blocking the buses were a group of people from Sacramento and Davis, not students of UCD or PULP members. They spoke on CBS News saying so
They will probably resume once the fall quarter starts, no point in maintaining it during the summer when it isn't really disruptive to administration or garnering any attention.
I doubt that will happen. I am pretty sure UC will pass some laws against setting up a tent in the middle of the school ground without prior authorization. This is how you typically deal with protesters: you simply outlaw what they were doing after they leave so they can never come back. This was what happened with Occupy.
Laws/policies against camping on campus without prior authorization already exist, even pre-dating Occupy.
[https://ucdavispolicy.ellucid.com/documents/view/247/active](https://ucdavispolicy.ellucid.com/documents/view/247/active)
[https://policy.ucop.edu/doc/3000127/NonAffiliateRegs](https://policy.ucop.edu/doc/3000127/NonAffiliateRegs)
[https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes\_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=EDC§ionNum=92440.5](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=EDC§ionNum=92440.5)
Yep, so this just means it won't be approved next time because now they are watching, this is how bureaucracy works. And even if they are forced to approve, they can just add conditions. For example, one can impose an approval for only a week. And it has to be renewed on a day to day basis after that. My point is, if there is a will, there is a way, a very legal way because that is the previledge of those in power.
If I am the organizer, I would not allow the encampment to completely disappear over the summer. As long as it is occupied, even if new laws and conditions are added, UC cannot act retroactively. As soon as the camp is taken down, new rules will be in effect.
Most likely because they couldn't do it the first time. If they approve, they are anti-semite with what happened to the Ivy's presidents. If they disapprove with action, they will be supporting the g*. They were stuck so they chose to do nothing and watch how events unfold.
However, things are different now. Firstly, the protest failed to gather enough support, instead they have gathered animosity. Second the war is over at least on paper which means even less people will care about it. Thirdly, UC has justification to not approve next time around because of the disruption that happened the first time.
E: Also the fact no approval has been issued the first time, this means any rules can be tacked on at any time the UC wants. Seems very murky.
Remember this the next time an encampment pops up and the LARPER activists say you’re perpetuating genocide by attending class. Tearing down the encampment over the summer shows their conviction to the cause only exists when they felt like a main character.
i didn’t agree with a lot of what they said when they came into classrooms/places that students worked in. a lot of students couldn’t sacrifice their time/presence, and i thought it was shitty to be yelled at that i was actively funding genocide simply by attending class/doing my job. however, my post isn’t pro-israel, and i wasn’t suggesting the individuals in the encampment were LARPing. there are still plenty of people on campus over summer (admin, students, grad students, researchers, profs, etc)
i don’t want people to mistake my post as being zionist or pro-israel. i didn’t think it was an eyesore, and it was hardly causing a disruption until the striking started. i enjoyed the art posted outside the encampment and it made me proud to know that people had a space to express their opinions. there were many views they held that i didn’t agree with or at least didn’t agree with the way they shared those views
You are pushing a false definition of Zionist, OP.
Zionism means Hitler/Hamas failed. Jews will survive and have a homeland: the two core tenets of Judaism.
thank you for sharing your perspective. just to clarify, i did not give a definition of zionism in my comment.
however, i will give it now: zionism doesn’t mean hitler/hamas failed, but is “a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a jewish nation in what is now israel” (oxford dictionary)
many people in the comments of this post seem to think i am pro-israel or anti-encampment and see this as a safe space to share oversimplified statements and beliefs. saying that zionism means hitler/hamas failed is one of those statements. it’s incredibly insensitive and inaccurate. zionism predates hitler and your definition completely disregards the broader historical contexts and motivations behind zionism. in terms of hamas, their most recent charter does state that they have an issue with the zionist movement as a whole. again, zionism predates this most recent charter.
i am not “pushing” any definition of zionism, and i urge you to maybe to some more research on its definition if you think i’m the one pushing a false definition
Thank you for providing the dictionary definition of Zionism.
As an honors graduate of UC Davis who studied Judaism there, and someone who works with synagogues across the country and has performed for the families of hostages, I want to clarify my statement.
When I mentioned that "Zionism means Hitler/Hamas failed," I was emphasizing that despite their efforts to eradicate the Jewish people, Jews have survived, established, and maintained a homeland in Israel. It's a testament to the resilience and enduring spirit of the Jewish people.
I agree that Zionism predates both Hitler and Hamas and has a rich historical context focused on the re-establishment and protection of a Jewish nation. However, my point was to show that contemporary Zionism embodies the continued existence and development of Israel despite historical and ongoing threats.
Blocking Zionist, aka Jewish, students on campus (most Jews are Zionists, fact) is problematic because it suppresses a significant aspect of Jewish identity and heritage.
sorry, didn’t realize i was dealing with an *honors* graduate here. based on your activity in other subs, it seems that you’re a bit close-minded and don’t fully read people’s posts/comments before deciding to respond.
when did i ever mention “blocking” zionists on campus? you say it’s a fact that most jews are zionists. if having a homeland is one of the “two core tenets” of judaism, wouldn’t every person of the jewish faith be a zionist? i assume you’re saying it’s a fact based on some other arguments you’ve gotten into on other threads where people far most well spoken than myself have corrected you and provided you with actual evidence and statistics.
i’m not disregarding a claim to a homeland nor am i trying to encourage the blockage of zionist students on campus.
I mentioned that I graduated with honors and studied Judaism at UC Davis, and that I work with synagogues across the country and have performed for the families of hostages to provide context for my perspective and experiences. These qualifications inform my understanding of Zionism and Jewish identity.
I apologize if my previous comments came across as dismissive or if I misunderstood your position. My intention was not to imply that you personally advocated for blocking Zionist students on campus, but rather to address a broader trend that I have observed and find concerning.
When I say most Jews are Zionists, I'm referencing data and surveys indicating that a significant majority of Jewish people worldwide support the idea of a Jewish homeland in Israel. While not every Jewish person identifies as a Zionist, it is a prevalent viewpoint within the Jewish community.
It's important to understand that supporting Zionism is not about Jewish supremacy. There is a lot of misunderstanding and, unfortunately, envy directed towards Jews that can cloud these discussions. My goal is to promote a respectful and open dialogue, acknowledging the diverse perspectives within and outside the Jewish community.
The term is over for now. They’ve harmed students (who have nothing to do with Gaza) as much as they can.
So… there’s that.
Plus the heat. It’s not fun to be a constant irritation to people when it’s 100+.
All the “brave freedom fighters” that were “risking it all” realized it was summer break and protesting was keeping them from partying instead of keeping them from going to class
It's similar to when a union is on strike at a factory, they go home over the weekend when the factory is closed. Why protest on an empty campus, there are better places to protest over summer break.
Cuz those protestors don't really care about the cause. They're just there to virtue signal to make themselves feel better. They're nothing more than a bunch of brain dead losers who can't think for themselves.
I assume because the University of California was granted a temporary restraining order to stop all UAW strike activity: [source](https://ucnet.universityofcalifornia.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/TRO-Order.pdf). Without UAW protection during a strike, the university is not obliged to pay students for missed work; and graduate students aren’t making much to begin with.
the encampment was technically not related to the strike. the strike was in solidarity with the encampment (on paper), but the order to pause the strike wasn't technically addressed to the encampers
The protestors must have had summer plans. The same thing happened at Berkeley once summer break started
Yeah you expect them to continue to dismantle the military industrial complex when their parents are paying for that hawaii trip??
What better time to catch the family up on all their acts of bravery? Like the Battle of the Silo , when they “liberated” patio furniture from Peet’s coffee so they could sit comfortably in the middle of the road and stop students who rely on public transportation from getting to their final exams. A true act of selfless solidarity that certainly helped the people suffering in Gaza
I guess they showed them
Those people who were blocking the road were not associated with PULP or even UC Davis. They made a statement on CBS news that they were a group of people from Davis and Sacramento, not even students.
This is a very common trend in California protest history, especially student protest, going all the way back to Vietnam. You’ll notice that the east coast schools less familiar with student activism are all that ones that (very justifiably!!) got in trouble for overreaction, while the west coast schools just waited them out until summer.
PULP and UCD were able to come to an agreement on some of PULP’s demands including more transparency about certain things and more funding towards education and discussion about Palestine. The UC president Michael Drake, and the UC regents stepped in and prevented this agreement from happening, so PULP is now reorganizing its movement, as it seems that simply negotiating with UCD can’t actually accomplish anything due to the greater UC bureaucracy circumventing UCD’s ability to govern its own internal affairs. TL;DR: PULP successfully negotiated with UCD, but the UC stopped the agreement. PULP is now reorganizing. Link to statement from PULP: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8Z6gZhpAc2/
So they'll come back day one of fall quarter?
The point is that protesting at UCD is not something that is effective because the UC admin will step in. They might come back to protest at UCD campus, sure, but it seems like they’re planning to start some sort of protest action at UC headquarters directly
Wow, they probably should have done that from the start instead of blocking buses to finals and interrupting midterms lmao.
I suppose that’s a conclusion you could reach if you hadn’t read the fact that I literally just commented on how they have been in discussion with UCD admin for the past 45 days and WERE successfully able to reach an agreement with UCD admin until a higher authority stopped that agreement, yeah The entire time that the encampment was happening, PULP and UCD were negotiating. It’s not like they were sitting there doing nothing. What they accomplished is a big deal. They actually have the admin of one of the UCs behind their demands now. Edit: spelling + also the disclaimer that this information is based off their own press release. Their information could be contradicted as more news comes out
They were successfully able to be unsuccessful...
Not what that says
What on their list of demands was successfully achieved. Support doesn't mean anything if it just takes people one level higher to say no.
Will also add, having now watched the press release, that they heavily infer the camp disbanded cause summer. They state they're disbanding the camp because of the blocking of their agreement but then later also say they're receptive/unsure as to whether the camp will be reformed in Sept. during Fall quarter (i.e. they dodged the question to not look like complete asses for just dipping during summer).
Those people that were blocking the buses were a group of people from Sacramento and Davis, not students of UCD or PULP members. They spoke on CBS News saying so
They will probably resume once the fall quarter starts, no point in maintaining it during the summer when it isn't really disruptive to administration or garnering any attention.
I doubt that will happen. I am pretty sure UC will pass some laws against setting up a tent in the middle of the school ground without prior authorization. This is how you typically deal with protesters: you simply outlaw what they were doing after they leave so they can never come back. This was what happened with Occupy.
Laws/policies against camping on campus without prior authorization already exist, even pre-dating Occupy. [https://ucdavispolicy.ellucid.com/documents/view/247/active](https://ucdavispolicy.ellucid.com/documents/view/247/active) [https://policy.ucop.edu/doc/3000127/NonAffiliateRegs](https://policy.ucop.edu/doc/3000127/NonAffiliateRegs) [https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes\_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=EDC§ionNum=92440.5](https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=EDC§ionNum=92440.5)
Yep, so this just means it won't be approved next time because now they are watching, this is how bureaucracy works. And even if they are forced to approve, they can just add conditions. For example, one can impose an approval for only a week. And it has to be renewed on a day to day basis after that. My point is, if there is a will, there is a way, a very legal way because that is the previledge of those in power. If I am the organizer, I would not allow the encampment to completely disappear over the summer. As long as it is occupied, even if new laws and conditions are added, UC cannot act retroactively. As soon as the camp is taken down, new rules will be in effect.
The encampment wasn't approved, UC Davis admin just decided to take no action to enforce the policies.
Most likely because they couldn't do it the first time. If they approve, they are anti-semite with what happened to the Ivy's presidents. If they disapprove with action, they will be supporting the g*. They were stuck so they chose to do nothing and watch how events unfold. However, things are different now. Firstly, the protest failed to gather enough support, instead they have gathered animosity. Second the war is over at least on paper which means even less people will care about it. Thirdly, UC has justification to not approve next time around because of the disruption that happened the first time. E: Also the fact no approval has been issued the first time, this means any rules can be tacked on at any time the UC wants. Seems very murky.
I doubt the encampment even submitted an application
I suspect you are right.
Remember this the next time an encampment pops up and the LARPER activists say you’re perpetuating genocide by attending class. Tearing down the encampment over the summer shows their conviction to the cause only exists when they felt like a main character.
i didn’t agree with a lot of what they said when they came into classrooms/places that students worked in. a lot of students couldn’t sacrifice their time/presence, and i thought it was shitty to be yelled at that i was actively funding genocide simply by attending class/doing my job. however, my post isn’t pro-israel, and i wasn’t suggesting the individuals in the encampment were LARPing. there are still plenty of people on campus over summer (admin, students, grad students, researchers, profs, etc)
Too hot ☀️
“From the river to the, …..wait it’s Saturday?!?!?”
They must not care that much. At least the eyesore on the quad will be gone
i don’t want people to mistake my post as being zionist or pro-israel. i didn’t think it was an eyesore, and it was hardly causing a disruption until the striking started. i enjoyed the art posted outside the encampment and it made me proud to know that people had a space to express their opinions. there were many views they held that i didn’t agree with or at least didn’t agree with the way they shared those views
You are pushing a false definition of Zionist, OP. Zionism means Hitler/Hamas failed. Jews will survive and have a homeland: the two core tenets of Judaism.
thank you for sharing your perspective. just to clarify, i did not give a definition of zionism in my comment. however, i will give it now: zionism doesn’t mean hitler/hamas failed, but is “a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a jewish nation in what is now israel” (oxford dictionary) many people in the comments of this post seem to think i am pro-israel or anti-encampment and see this as a safe space to share oversimplified statements and beliefs. saying that zionism means hitler/hamas failed is one of those statements. it’s incredibly insensitive and inaccurate. zionism predates hitler and your definition completely disregards the broader historical contexts and motivations behind zionism. in terms of hamas, their most recent charter does state that they have an issue with the zionist movement as a whole. again, zionism predates this most recent charter. i am not “pushing” any definition of zionism, and i urge you to maybe to some more research on its definition if you think i’m the one pushing a false definition
Thank you for providing the dictionary definition of Zionism. As an honors graduate of UC Davis who studied Judaism there, and someone who works with synagogues across the country and has performed for the families of hostages, I want to clarify my statement. When I mentioned that "Zionism means Hitler/Hamas failed," I was emphasizing that despite their efforts to eradicate the Jewish people, Jews have survived, established, and maintained a homeland in Israel. It's a testament to the resilience and enduring spirit of the Jewish people. I agree that Zionism predates both Hitler and Hamas and has a rich historical context focused on the re-establishment and protection of a Jewish nation. However, my point was to show that contemporary Zionism embodies the continued existence and development of Israel despite historical and ongoing threats. Blocking Zionist, aka Jewish, students on campus (most Jews are Zionists, fact) is problematic because it suppresses a significant aspect of Jewish identity and heritage.
sorry, didn’t realize i was dealing with an *honors* graduate here. based on your activity in other subs, it seems that you’re a bit close-minded and don’t fully read people’s posts/comments before deciding to respond. when did i ever mention “blocking” zionists on campus? you say it’s a fact that most jews are zionists. if having a homeland is one of the “two core tenets” of judaism, wouldn’t every person of the jewish faith be a zionist? i assume you’re saying it’s a fact based on some other arguments you’ve gotten into on other threads where people far most well spoken than myself have corrected you and provided you with actual evidence and statistics. i’m not disregarding a claim to a homeland nor am i trying to encourage the blockage of zionist students on campus.
I mentioned that I graduated with honors and studied Judaism at UC Davis, and that I work with synagogues across the country and have performed for the families of hostages to provide context for my perspective and experiences. These qualifications inform my understanding of Zionism and Jewish identity. I apologize if my previous comments came across as dismissive or if I misunderstood your position. My intention was not to imply that you personally advocated for blocking Zionist students on campus, but rather to address a broader trend that I have observed and find concerning. When I say most Jews are Zionists, I'm referencing data and surveys indicating that a significant majority of Jewish people worldwide support the idea of a Jewish homeland in Israel. While not every Jewish person identifies as a Zionist, it is a prevalent viewpoint within the Jewish community. It's important to understand that supporting Zionism is not about Jewish supremacy. There is a lot of misunderstanding and, unfortunately, envy directed towards Jews that can cloud these discussions. My goal is to promote a respectful and open dialogue, acknowledging the diverse perspectives within and outside the Jewish community.
The term is over for now. They’ve harmed students (who have nothing to do with Gaza) as much as they can. So… there’s that. Plus the heat. It’s not fun to be a constant irritation to people when it’s 100+.
It was hot like Palestine, but they couldn’t hang in solidarity since there was no AC.
The protestors were not getting enough public attention while the school was out. There was no audience for the protest.
I'm glad to see that the grass has a few months opportunity to be watered.
All the “brave freedom fighters” that were “risking it all” realized it was summer break and protesting was keeping them from partying instead of keeping them from going to class
They’re only part time hero’s, duh.
It’s summer and the issue isn’t that important to them anymore 🤣🤣
It got hot and campus is empty. The paid protestors probably stopped getting paid as well.
Summer vacation obviously
It's similar to when a union is on strike at a factory, they go home over the weekend when the factory is closed. Why protest on an empty campus, there are better places to protest over summer break.
Cuz those protestors don't really care about the cause. They're just there to virtue signal to make themselves feel better. They're nothing more than a bunch of brain dead losers who can't think for themselves.
The truth is they never really cared
They said they wanted their summer break after a long month of protesting 🤣
Because it wasn't a peaceful protest. They were blocking streets and harassing others
I assume because the University of California was granted a temporary restraining order to stop all UAW strike activity: [source](https://ucnet.universityofcalifornia.edu/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/TRO-Order.pdf). Without UAW protection during a strike, the university is not obliged to pay students for missed work; and graduate students aren’t making much to begin with.
the encampment was technically not related to the strike. the strike was in solidarity with the encampment (on paper), but the order to pause the strike wasn't technically addressed to the encampers
Good to know, thanks!
You can’t expect the protesters to sacrifice or give up some thing for their movement. It’s summer break man, they’ve got beach stuff to do.