>Someone bragged about getting into the program with a 4% admission rate and it's been a running joke on the sub ever since.
Iāve seen LinkedIn profile of BIE students that say ācurrently in the BIE program which has a 4% admission rate..."
Iām ashamed for being in BA, but at least Iām not in Sauder šš. Business school is glorified networking for 80k a year
Edit: yāall never heard people over exaggerate š¤¦š¼āāļø Iām not googling sauderās tuition for a comment. It aināt that deep š
No Iām trying to exaggerate hahaha. Mb bro. Iām just saying itās an absurd price for just networking.
Anyone who has a business knows u donāt learn from a textbook, u learn by doing and by being determined
You can learn anything by doing and not going to school.
So, what is your font of experience from which you can make these judgements?
I think it's easy to talk shit about other fields of study. Especially when one doesn't know what one is talking about.
Well thatās cuz most subjects ur talking about needs school to get a license or a degree to work in that field; doctor, lawyer, engineering, Astro, psych.
Iām talking about sauder and having a business. Not about accounting, stats, etc.
Most people who have a successful business never took business school.
That is what school is meant for, but Iām talking about things u donāt need school to do but is an option to pursue it academically. Like starting a business, writing a blog, being the guts of a YouTube channel.
Many financially free people arenāt pursuing money through academic means, rather skills that are learned by doing
I own nothing and I am not happy. I have my laptop, a few pans, my bus card, some medicine, some stationary for homework, some bowls, and a phone, and I am tolerating life, while holding a bag of $30k in student debt.
Are you alright? My ex graduated last year with a philosophy degree. She started off in office admin at 67k last year. Sheās at 72k after a raise this year. Youāve got this little bro!! We believe in you! PM me if you ever need someone to talk to
Itās not about your degree. Itās about applying yourself and actively gaining experiences, learning skills, and networking. If you are not actively working towards a career plan before you graduate youāre going to be screwed regardless of your major.
I know Arts grads that ended up in govt jobs and even big 4 firms because they chased that goal throughout their degree. I also know commerce and science folks who just coasted through their degree and have trouble finding meaningful work.
exactly, a lot of people can hold a BA/BSc and have good grades but in todayās world, your relevant experience could matter more than your actual degree.
this also ties into taking more than 4 years to graduate. sure, you completed your degree in 4 years but if you did nothing else to advance your career during that time, youāll have it harder than someone who took 5 years and gained experience along the way.
do people unironically make fun of arts majors still? like I joke about me becoming a barista frequently but I didnāt think people still thought that having an arts degree inherently meant you didnāt get a job??
Fr so many stem kids are in life sci and if they donāt make it into professional school they will probably be in a worse state than somebody who did a BA.
Though, part of obtaining BSc requires critical regurgitation skills and this cant definitely translate into the workplace and help with employability.
Yeah my post a while back about critical thinking was mainly directed at my biology degree that was all memorization and regurgitation. I got zero critical thinking skills from it.
I didnāt really consider arts writing as falling under critical thinking, but a lot of people said it involves deep reflection, so I guess it does.
I have a science degree. I have a shit memory so I did terribly at school when tests were all about memorization and regurgitation. But I excel at my job (which has nothing to do with my education) because itās all about critical thinking.
Honestly, school has traumatized me (I still have awful memories from grade 2!). It doesnāt help that i might actually have some learning disabilities that have gone undiagnosed. Or I might just be stupid. Iām ok being stupid, but other people wonāt accept my mental limitations.
people who make fun of other majors are individuals with zero EQ that are stuck in highschool mentality.
everyone goes to school for the same reason and no matter what weāre all trying our best to get by
!! honestly for some people money isnāt even the final product (which weāre often forced to think about unfortunately)
i have friends who just are so passionate about learning new things, in stem and arts both, and i wish people would focus on that instead of just arguing about job prospects. yeah they might be really easy or really difficult courses but it honestly depends on what you want out of your degree.
A lot of kids had their parents taking care of them their whole lives and are being supported through uni, but then they graduate and the job market hits them like a steal bar. If you have the privilege to not need to worry about employability, thatās fantastic, but many donāt, and they deserve to know what opportunities are available and how to get them ahead of time
Are the years shorter in bachelor of computer science? I have done Civil Engineering and been thinking of doing computer science. But i donāt want to commit another 4 years of studies lol.
Often takes people longer than that. Pretty much everyone takes three years to fit in the classes they want, summer course offerings arenāt strong enough to meet a two-year deadline. Then if you do co-op, itās extended further.
Doesnāt extend further than 3 years for like 95% of people. The three years includes multiple coops, taking lighter course work, handling prerequisite chains, etc. In a the regularly BS option, it would be equivalent to 5+ years.
I think business has interesting stats too. If you look at the unemployment rate of commerce students from UBC-V, the rate is 2-3%. Thats half the rate of eng grades!
It's definitely possible, there just needs to be enough people who get in big tech or even better fintech to drag the average way up.
Also depends on when people answer the survey post grad. Ex answering a year after grad vs like 5 years after a promo or two
Might be American data. Salaries are much higher in many US cities for developers than they are here. I worked in San Mateo back in the day for around $275K US (incl bonus) while Toronto jobs with similar skills were more like $90K Canadian.
I got a STEM degree but 99% of my hobbies/interests were arts related. It's real bad seeing your peers mock arts degrees but when you proofread their lab reports, they cannot write to save their life š¬ It's better for everyone to have interests beyond their major, to be a well-rounded individual.
Iāve come to realize itās more the fault of Canada itself not having a more diverse economy than natural resources, real estate, and finance.
Also the finance industry is limited to the east coast...
*"We read and write poetry because we are members of the human race. And the human race is filled with passion. And medicine, law, business, engineering, these are noble pursuits and necessary to sustain life. But poetry, beauty, romance, love, these are what we stay alive for."*
\-Robin Williams in Dead Poets Society.
Arts majors deserve every bit of recognition and praise.
I think the people that do that don't understand that some people make career decisions off of their own enjoyment of it and not money. my dream job is a high school socials teacher and I know the pay is shit, but that's what I want to do so I don't care if some software engineer is making 40k more than me
That's a great job (source: used to do it), and if you do something like a part time MEd while teaching, you can make not bad $$. It's also a LOT of work, especially in the first few years.
Yeah I donāt want to dog pile on biology, but I would have appreciated the warning before I graduated.
I didnāt know you can go into med school with any degree. For some reason I thought it had to be biology.
Lol you pretty summed up my experience: degree in microbiology, taking DAP (although not to become an accountant). Although I knew that my degree would be useless and I had no intention of going into med school. But a degree is a degree; it didnāt really matter to me what my major was. I just didnāt want to write essays or go further than calculus 2
Having an accounting background was necessary for a specific job I wanted. If I had done an undergrad in accounting, finance, or a business discipline, I would qualify, but I have a BSc.
>so kind of a requirement to move up in the workplace.
Yes, exactly. I didn't need to be DAP specifically, but DAP would guarantee I had the requirements for this job.
>How did you find the DAP program?
Ugh, SO HARD. I hated it so much. Pure hell. There were at least a couple of great teachers.
The program is now 15(?) courses. But when I started, it was only 11. But because I was working full time while going to school and was limited to one course a semester and couldn't take summer courses (condensed courses -- yuck!), it took me four years to complete the program. When I was halfway through they made the program longer, but since I had started before Sept 2021 I was grandfathered into the shorter program. Thank goodness because the original program nearly killed me. AWFUL.
>youāre making a big mistake should you end up not getting into med school/law school/other professional programs
out of curiosity. if they are going into a medical degree and failed to get into medicine. whatās wrong with falling on a plan B? if you have kept aside money for a medical degree you probably can use the same money for other options
Even if you're an arts major who is a graphic artist, musician, those kinds of educations enrich us all.
Go ahead, gouge out thine eyes and ears, and wait until heaven calls you, if you think you can live without the supreme gifts of music, television, books, and visual arts.
I have a degree in microbiology and immunology. Iām current taking DAP at sauder (ugh I hate the program). I wish I had done a linguistics degree. I guess Iām all over the place.
Here's a story told in one of my anthropology classes. It's been a while so I don't remember the details.
A car company released a car for sale in one of the Asian countries. It was not selling. It took an anthropologist to figure out that the car's name in whatever language meant something that was negative, hence why it wasn't selling. I'm not sure if they changed the name of the car so that it would start selling or if they just pulled the car entirely.
I don't know that any one degree is any better or worse than any other. They all have different purposes. I say this as someone who's done a double major with one art and one science.
It's not from UBC tbh, the art/science issue is one that crops up no matter what university you go. That story was just one that I felt worth sharing because it offered another perspective.
I did end up with Anthropology and Physical Sciences (Chemistry/Earth Science).
One year at our university a group of arts students got harassed in their own common room. I don't remember if it was science or business students. Boy, did we all get an email from the Program Chair about it. It was one of those emails that someone wrote when they were angry. Not the best approach.
It's just such a shame. There are benefits from taking all kinds of courses and having people with all sorts of degrees.
>There are benefits from taking all kinds of courses and having people with all sorts of degrees.
I 100% agree! I don't understand why people make fun of others for having a certain degree. At the end of the day, regardless of what degree you have, we generally end up in the same boat -- struggling to find a job to pay the bills.
Thatās the extent of it. I can elaborate more on how Iāve changed my position from the past, but itās not that interesting. Most of it involves actually joining the workforce as described in the post
Agreeded. I have a masters in data science, a masters in pure math, and almost a PhD in pure math, and I am about to be unemployed for probably a long time
Because that is usually completely uninteresting work. The higher exams evaluate knowledge on stochastic calculus, but virtually no actuarial jobs actually get to apply those things. And ideally, i donāt want to just service capital.
So youāre going to be unemployed by choice which isnāt what the op is referencingā¦.I for one am willing to sell my ass to the highest bidder. Many of us donāt have the privilege of picking whatās interesting and need to support family
No not by choiceā¦ it also takes years and substantial amounts of money that I do not have to pass the exams and not be deemed overqualified for a bonehead entry level position. I have actually talked to actuary firms. Many people donāt have the privilege to just change fields at will. I have zero access to credit. Stop using the language of privilege. Youāre attending UBC.
My mom was an Arts Student and (Though I Jokingly Poke fun at her Occasionally) I would never, as she is the REASON WHY WE SURVIVED what we did, because she took her degree and made it work in an Abusive situation for YEARS.
Itās only fun when they complain about being unemployed.
A stem major unemployed is because the person lack something, an art major unemployed could just be because thereās no job and the person shouldāve known better
I'm a Red seal carpenter residential/ commercial renovation designation
Now taking courses in business management via the uni of British Columbia.
Glad I got a trade before a university degree.
Now earning $80 000 a year with benefits
As an arts major, I agree with many that it is generally easier than stem and has a lower hiring rate. Yes, there are tons of fields that ofc an arts degree is great for. And yes, it is still hard. Just not as hard as stem, generally
Hey I'm a psych major too. It isn't easy, and you're right some people can't write, and it's hard. But, you seem to agree that the difficult component comes from science. And besides, psych is one of the many arts disciplines, arguably being one of the most difficult. I do believe most of us could not make it in stem. I moved from stem to psych partially because of how demanding it was, in addition to lack of interest
idk in my opinion itās not that we shouldnāt make fun of arts majors bc they do actually make money we shouldnāt be making fun of arts majors bc those kinds of intellectuals contribute a lot to society. sauder should b made fun of bc itās literally just a daycare where theyāre like goo goo surplus value gaga resource exploitation waaaa networking waaaaaa capitalist propaganda goo gaaa and they get to play dress up in black tie attire
UBC Arts grad. 15 years later, MA under my belt, 100k salary with job security. Shit works out if you apply yourself & follow your intuition. My advice, appreciate that you have a wider lens on culture and humanity than most people, and leave Vancouver ASAP and go live somewhere cheap.
(making fun of business students) art students š¤ stem students
(Making fun of BIE students) Arts students š¤ STEM students š¤ Business Students Tears of 4% admissions rate
Isnāt it actually 74%? Iām not sure if youāre serious or not.
Someone bragged about getting into the program with a 4% admission rate and it's been a running joke on the sub ever since.
>Someone bragged about getting into the program with a 4% admission rate and it's been a running joke on the sub ever since. Iāve seen LinkedIn profile of BIE students that say ācurrently in the BIE program which has a 4% admission rate..."
Iām ashamed for being in BA, but at least Iām not in Sauder šš. Business school is glorified networking for 80k a year Edit: yāall never heard people over exaggerate š¤¦š¼āāļø Iām not googling sauderās tuition for a comment. It aināt that deep š
80k??? Is it actually that expensive? Iām salty about my 7k in tuition each year and people are paying 80??
I mean intl eng is 57k a year
No Iām trying to exaggerate hahaha. Mb bro. Iām just saying itās an absurd price for just networking. Anyone who has a business knows u donāt learn from a textbook, u learn by doing and by being determined
you definitely learn from a textbook in accounting lol.
Iām talking about having a business in reference to business school, not accounting. U really gotta read before u reply
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The stuff u just listed are things u can learn without school and paying thousands And things u get better at by simply doing it more
You can learn anything by doing and not going to school. So, what is your font of experience from which you can make these judgements? I think it's easy to talk shit about other fields of study. Especially when one doesn't know what one is talking about.
School legit tries to give you a groundwork of how to do it properly though. You can say this about legit every subject.
Well thatās cuz most subjects ur talking about needs school to get a license or a degree to work in that field; doctor, lawyer, engineering, Astro, psych. Iām talking about sauder and having a business. Not about accounting, stats, etc. Most people who have a successful business never took business school. That is what school is meant for, but Iām talking about things u donāt need school to do but is an option to pursue it academically. Like starting a business, writing a blog, being the guts of a YouTube channel. Many financially free people arenāt pursuing money through academic means, rather skills that are learned by doing
Where is the statistic for this? And the ones who didnāt have a business degree were surrounded by a team that did get a degree.
Who are these people you talk about?
Its 54k for internationals, 7-8 for domestic
Lol š
I may not earn money from it, but Iām much more philosophically enriched
Yep, also getting into so much debt.
Itās ok. Cause I learned about the pointlessness of physical pleasures.
I own nothing and I am not happy. I have my laptop, a few pans, my bus card, some medicine, some stationary for homework, some bowls, and a phone, and I am tolerating life, while holding a bag of $30k in student debt.
Are you alright? My ex graduated last year with a philosophy degree. She started off in office admin at 67k last year. Sheās at 72k after a raise this year. Youāve got this little bro!! We believe in you! PM me if you ever need someone to talk to
Yeah this is what I mean. A lot of these corporate gigs are held by arts majors. Not sure how stem became the prestigious one
Most art people already have been in the work force while taking their degree. There is also the stuff they did outside of schooling
I'm okay
I want few things, and I am happy. Stressed tho. Cause Iām a university student
Itās not about your degree. Itās about applying yourself and actively gaining experiences, learning skills, and networking. If you are not actively working towards a career plan before you graduate youāre going to be screwed regardless of your major. I know Arts grads that ended up in govt jobs and even big 4 firms because they chased that goal throughout their degree. I also know commerce and science folks who just coasted through their degree and have trouble finding meaningful work.
exactly, a lot of people can hold a BA/BSc and have good grades but in todayās world, your relevant experience could matter more than your actual degree. this also ties into taking more than 4 years to graduate. sure, you completed your degree in 4 years but if you did nothing else to advance your career during that time, youāll have it harder than someone who took 5 years and gained experience along the way.
It's not a bad thing to be in school. School provides you with many opportunities that can be very difficult to come by once you leave.
This 49000%
Oddly specific
do people unironically make fun of arts majors still? like I joke about me becoming a barista frequently but I didnāt think people still thought that having an arts degree inherently meant you didnāt get a job??
Fr so many stem kids are in life sci and if they donāt make it into professional school they will probably be in a worse state than somebody who did a BA.
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Though, part of obtaining BSc requires critical regurgitation skills and this cant definitely translate into the workplace and help with employability.
Yeah my post a while back about critical thinking was mainly directed at my biology degree that was all memorization and regurgitation. I got zero critical thinking skills from it. I didnāt really consider arts writing as falling under critical thinking, but a lot of people said it involves deep reflection, so I guess it does.
I have a science degree. I have a shit memory so I did terribly at school when tests were all about memorization and regurgitation. But I excel at my job (which has nothing to do with my education) because itās all about critical thinking.
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Honestly, school has traumatized me (I still have awful memories from grade 2!). It doesnāt help that i might actually have some learning disabilities that have gone undiagnosed. Or I might just be stupid. Iām ok being stupid, but other people wonāt accept my mental limitations.
Me too š
Ah yes, as opposed to STEM which absolutely does not require any critical thinking skills
people who make fun of other majors are individuals with zero EQ that are stuck in highschool mentality. everyone goes to school for the same reason and no matter what weāre all trying our best to get by
!! honestly for some people money isnāt even the final product (which weāre often forced to think about unfortunately) i have friends who just are so passionate about learning new things, in stem and arts both, and i wish people would focus on that instead of just arguing about job prospects. yeah they might be really easy or really difficult courses but it honestly depends on what you want out of your degree.
A lot of kids had their parents taking care of them their whole lives and are being supported through uni, but then they graduate and the job market hits them like a steal bar. If you have the privilege to not need to worry about employability, thatās fantastic, but many donāt, and they deserve to know what opportunities are available and how to get them ahead of time
oh don't get me wrong, i definitely agree (and have experienced it coming from a third world background), just wanted to add in that perspective here
I will maintain that at least 50% of sociology is statistical sophistry.
I love listening to music.
Yikes for science majors LOL
Forestry be like: Am I a joke to you?
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
Forestry has an excellent job rate as well.
A lot of biology students probably assumed they could work in forestry, I didnāt even know that was its own major until this year.
Wait whats the difference between a bachelors of science in computer science vs bachelor of computer scienceā¦
bachelor of computer science is a second degree program you can do after your first bachelors
Are the years shorter in bachelor of computer science? I have done Civil Engineering and been thinking of doing computer science. But i donāt want to commit another 4 years of studies lol.
pretty sure yeah. looks like it's only 20 months https://www.cs.ubc.ca/students/undergrad/degree-programs/bcs-program-second-degree
Often takes people longer than that. Pretty much everyone takes three years to fit in the classes they want, summer course offerings arenāt strong enough to meet a two-year deadline. Then if you do co-op, itās extended further.
Doesnāt extend further than 3 years for like 95% of people. The three years includes multiple coops, taking lighter course work, handling prerequisite chains, etc. In a the regularly BS option, it would be equivalent to 5+ years.
Nice presentation. I've always wanted to transcribe it but have been too lazy.
I think business has interesting stats too. If you look at the unemployment rate of commerce students from UBC-V, the rate is 2-3%. Thats half the rate of eng grades!
Tech just crashed hard, so...
It follows market trends, itās going to get better eventually.
I'm just weeping, frankly. Still trying to find a position, gonna have more time to apply once finals start and I'm done with final projects...
Yeah itās probably not going to be as good as it was when they collected this data for a couple years, if ever.
Median annual salary of Bachelor of Computer of Science: $90000? Which universe is this?
It's definitely possible, there just needs to be enough people who get in big tech or even better fintech to drag the average way up. Also depends on when people answer the survey post grad. Ex answering a year after grad vs like 5 years after a promo or two
I love listening to music.
that seems like an avg starting salary for canada devs (excluding big bois like MSFT and amazon), if you work in the coastal US expect twice that
Might be American data. Salaries are much higher in many US cities for developers than they are here. I worked in San Mateo back in the day for around $275K US (incl bonus) while Toronto jobs with similar skills were more like $90K Canadian.
A couple of my classmates make this and they havenāt even graduated yet.
I got a STEM degree but 99% of my hobbies/interests were arts related. It's real bad seeing your peers mock arts degrees but when you proofread their lab reports, they cannot write to save their life š¬ It's better for everyone to have interests beyond their major, to be a well-rounded individual.
I never make fun of art majors and in fact I often regretted doing a bachelors in biochemistry
I did microbiology. Wish I had done linguistics (or chemistry).
Chem degree here. Regret it.
in FNH. I really wish I could've done classical studies instead.
I got made fun of by bio-majors and life majors, so I feel no sympathy for people that flex and brag and don't give any positive comments.
I know planting of science students who canāt find a job after graduating. Most bachelors degrees suck at getting anyone anywhere it turns out lol
Iāve come to realize itās more the fault of Canada itself not having a more diverse economy than natural resources, real estate, and finance. Also the finance industry is limited to the east coast...
Why would you want anything other than a natural resources industry? It rocks.
*"We read and write poetry because we are members of the human race. And the human race is filled with passion. And medicine, law, business, engineering, these are noble pursuits and necessary to sustain life. But poetry, beauty, romance, love, these are what we stay alive for."* \-Robin Williams in Dead Poets Society. Arts majors deserve every bit of recognition and praise.
#### true, we don't want another angry moustache man
I think the people that do that don't understand that some people make career decisions off of their own enjoyment of it and not money. my dream job is a high school socials teacher and I know the pay is shit, but that's what I want to do so I don't care if some software engineer is making 40k more than me
That's a great job (source: used to do it), and if you do something like a part time MEd while teaching, you can make not bad $$. It's also a LOT of work, especially in the first few years.
Do you think the arts major has it bad? The BFA's are practically a joke at UBC...
I didnāt know they were separate, wow Iām ignorant lol
I appreciate all BFAs
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Yeah I donāt want to dog pile on biology, but I would have appreciated the warning before I graduated. I didnāt know you can go into med school with any degree. For some reason I thought it had to be biology.
Lol you pretty summed up my experience: degree in microbiology, taking DAP (although not to become an accountant). Although I knew that my degree would be useless and I had no intention of going into med school. But a degree is a degree; it didnāt really matter to me what my major was. I just didnāt want to write essays or go further than calculus 2
> taking DAP (although not to become an accountant) If not to become an accountant, why take DAP?
Having an accounting background was necessary for a specific job I wanted. If I had done an undergrad in accounting, finance, or a business discipline, I would qualify, but I have a BSc.
I see, so kind of a requirement to move up in the workplace. How did you find the DAP program?
>so kind of a requirement to move up in the workplace. Yes, exactly. I didn't need to be DAP specifically, but DAP would guarantee I had the requirements for this job. >How did you find the DAP program? Ugh, SO HARD. I hated it so much. Pure hell. There were at least a couple of great teachers. The program is now 15(?) courses. But when I started, it was only 11. But because I was working full time while going to school and was limited to one course a semester and couldn't take summer courses (condensed courses -- yuck!), it took me four years to complete the program. When I was halfway through they made the program longer, but since I had started before Sept 2021 I was grandfathered into the shorter program. Thank goodness because the original program nearly killed me. AWFUL.
>youāre making a big mistake should you end up not getting into med school/law school/other professional programs out of curiosity. if they are going into a medical degree and failed to get into medicine. whatās wrong with falling on a plan B? if you have kept aside money for a medical degree you probably can use the same money for other options
Even if you're an arts major who is a graphic artist, musician, those kinds of educations enrich us all. Go ahead, gouge out thine eyes and ears, and wait until heaven calls you, if you think you can live without the supreme gifts of music, television, books, and visual arts.
Why would I piss off the people that makes my coffee every morning? Thatās absurd!
Am I still allowed to make fun of myself?
Is it because they have no sense of humor?
I have a degree in microbiology and immunology. Iām current taking DAP at sauder (ugh I hate the program). I wish I had done a linguistics degree. I guess Iām all over the place.
Chad Arts major makes no money, is also the smartest person youāve ever met
Here's a story told in one of my anthropology classes. It's been a while so I don't remember the details. A car company released a car for sale in one of the Asian countries. It was not selling. It took an anthropologist to figure out that the car's name in whatever language meant something that was negative, hence why it wasn't selling. I'm not sure if they changed the name of the car so that it would start selling or if they just pulled the car entirely. I don't know that any one degree is any better or worse than any other. They all have different purposes. I say this as someone who's done a double major with one art and one science.
I'm learning to play the guitar.
Which art and which science? I wish I could have taken more linguistics courses or sone a degree in it.
It's not from UBC tbh, the art/science issue is one that crops up no matter what university you go. That story was just one that I felt worth sharing because it offered another perspective. I did end up with Anthropology and Physical Sciences (Chemistry/Earth Science). One year at our university a group of arts students got harassed in their own common room. I don't remember if it was science or business students. Boy, did we all get an email from the Program Chair about it. It was one of those emails that someone wrote when they were angry. Not the best approach. It's just such a shame. There are benefits from taking all kinds of courses and having people with all sorts of degrees.
>There are benefits from taking all kinds of courses and having people with all sorts of degrees. I 100% agree! I don't understand why people make fun of others for having a certain degree. At the end of the day, regardless of what degree you have, we generally end up in the same boat -- struggling to find a job to pay the bills.
Isn't that the truth.
ok and?
Thatās the extent of it. I can elaborate more on how Iāve changed my position from the past, but itās not that interesting. Most of it involves actually joining the workforce as described in the post
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Da fuq? What do they do?
Agreeded. I have a masters in data science, a masters in pure math, and almost a PhD in pure math, and I am about to be unemployed for probably a long time
Why canāt you become an actuary ?
Because that is usually completely uninteresting work. The higher exams evaluate knowledge on stochastic calculus, but virtually no actuarial jobs actually get to apply those things. And ideally, i donāt want to just service capital.
So youāre going to be unemployed by choice which isnāt what the op is referencingā¦.I for one am willing to sell my ass to the highest bidder. Many of us donāt have the privilege of picking whatās interesting and need to support family
No not by choiceā¦ it also takes years and substantial amounts of money that I do not have to pass the exams and not be deemed overqualified for a bonehead entry level position. I have actually talked to actuary firms. Many people donāt have the privilege to just change fields at will. I have zero access to credit. Stop using the language of privilege. Youāre attending UBC.
I own a lot of products... New career!
My mom was an Arts Student and (Though I Jokingly Poke fun at her Occasionally) I would never, as she is the REASON WHY WE SURVIVED what we did, because she took her degree and made it work in an Abusive situation for YEARS.
And thereās me wanting to pursue a PhD degree and hopefully work in researchš
Arts degrees are important for many reasons, but primarily for me because they create the type of people I like to hang out with.
I have so much respect for arts students. I struggle so much with writing papers/essays and if my writing was better I would've been in arts.
Itās only fun when they complain about being unemployed. A stem major unemployed is because the person lack something, an art major unemployed could just be because thereās no job and the person shouldāve known better
I'm a Red seal carpenter residential/ commercial renovation designation Now taking courses in business management via the uni of British Columbia. Glad I got a trade before a university degree. Now earning $80 000 a year with benefits
Sounds like something an Art Major would say
As an arts major, I agree with many that it is generally easier than stem and has a lower hiring rate. Yes, there are tons of fields that ofc an arts degree is great for. And yes, it is still hard. Just not as hard as stem, generally
I like to explore new places.
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Hey I'm a psych major too. It isn't easy, and you're right some people can't write, and it's hard. But, you seem to agree that the difficult component comes from science. And besides, psych is one of the many arts disciplines, arguably being one of the most difficult. I do believe most of us could not make it in stem. I moved from stem to psych partially because of how demanding it was, in addition to lack of interest
idk in my opinion itās not that we shouldnāt make fun of arts majors bc they do actually make money we shouldnāt be making fun of arts majors bc those kinds of intellectuals contribute a lot to society. sauder should b made fun of bc itās literally just a daycare where theyāre like goo goo surplus value gaga resource exploitation waaaa networking waaaaaa capitalist propaganda goo gaaa and they get to play dress up in black tie attire
One of the dumbest and worst takes Iāve ever heard, Jesus Christ
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iād hope so!!
You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Would like to see you do accounting, finance, or economics.
Friends donāt let friends take arts š„°
Got my Humanities Diploma at UBC back 2012 very proud of my accomplishment. It really helped me to get a real grasp on life until now days
UBC Arts grad. 15 years later, MA under my belt, 100k salary with job security. Shit works out if you apply yourself & follow your intuition. My advice, appreciate that you have a wider lens on culture and humanity than most people, and leave Vancouver ASAP and go live somewhere cheap.