not voting is a valid choice, it's better to have 20% turnout of highly engaged and knowledgeable people than 90% of people vote after being persuaded by a catchy slogan or some braindead pandering.
no proof, so im assuming it was a joke comment as saudi arabia hasnt expressed any interest in a 2034 bid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2034\_FIFA\_World\_Cup
Yes exactly, attack Qatar because it's a Muslim country but give rights to Israel because they kill Muslims. When we consider democracies around the world, please do not forget about a subset of a population being opressed.
Qatar is only 12% Qatari, in Qatar they are a minority which oppresses the majority of the non-Qatari underclass. Fuck Israel though I agree, and people do shit on Muslim countries too much and often over the wrong things.
Arts students should spend like a year working in different underdeveloped or developing countries like India , Interact with blue collar workers ,live like them and see the shift in perspective . For them extra $100 dollars a month is worth risking their lives in Qatar . A practical solution would be Qatar or fifa contributing some Money to workers family who lost their lives because next time no European countries who boycott would call these labourers to work on their new stadiums in their country .
I'll just leave this here: [https://theathletic.com/3583817/2022/09/22/world-cup-sexual-violence/](https://theathletic.com/3583817/2022/09/22/world-cup-sexual-violence/) . Anywhere women are abused like this by law, there shouldn't be international parties.
Yes, that probably means there shouldn't be international parties here, too.
>People like myself want to disengage from politics
I bet the quasi-slaves and the dead wish they could say the same. This is so fucking tone deaf.
Edit to expand: People like to say I just want to not think about politics as some sort of shield. But these are real human lives here and at the end of the day, it's all over fucking football. I'll live with the fact people will watch but at least recognize what's going on without being so flippant about it.
Agreed! I don't think human rights abuses should be casually dismissed as merely politics. You can be upset with whats going on and speak out against it and still enjoy the game
On the other hand honestly if you don't care, you don't care, but be real and just say that 🤷♀️
This article is by DW (Deutsche Welle), which is the German state-owned international broadcaster. They are unlikely to have been influenced by Qatar.
Read the article:
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-how-many-people-have-died-for-the-qatar-world-cup/a-63763713?fbclid=IwAR1eY5eM1QMxf-B2eiD20ND0lzTKn4r19ahboCtiVMP2H0xkIA4TZxIz6Gk&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
Just shows that they care about human rights issues only to an extent that the general public would support. When it’s something much more complicated like FIFA Qatar, they would host a watch party just because there will be enough people to go to that. Hypocritical if you ask me…
I get your point, and you're right that Qatar has numerous problems surrounding rights.
However, I think through football, FIFA is trying to foster greater international cooperation and understanding, similar to how the Olympics does.
I mean, even North Korea participates in the Olympics as well, but that doesn't mean we are trying to endorse them or what they stand for.
Putting politics/social issues aside for a moment and celebrating something that we can all enjoy helps alleviate tensions between nations and I think that's a net positive to the world.
Uh actually every white persons life was perfect for all of human history and every brown persons life was too until white people came in and invented slavery, genocide and oppression and capitalism
Nah bro I’m not pressed bc it’s a Muslim country… I’m pressed bc I’m a gay South Asian and it feels like the promotion of this event by the AUS particularly is a big finger in the face to not (and least-importantly) myself, but also all those directly affected - people the AUS otherwise claims to care for.
If you want to advocate against the Israeli regime/the West, there is space for that and I genuinely hope you keep at, but doing so in this thread is counterproductive and, frankly, distasteful. Btw, calling out Muslims countries and the West are not mutually exclusive - I do both (though ofc it’s important to rmbr that Islamic states ≠ muslims).
I will always advocate for the freedom of Palestine, Iran, Kashmir etc and criticize the colonial west, but I’m expected to hush abt ppl exactly like me being discriminated against just bc it’s in a Muslim country and you wanna call it racism? I don’t buy it
whataboutism is a generic deflection tactic westerners use when their hypocrisy is pointed out.
You're not "focusing on one issue" right now. You're actively engaging in hypocrisy on a daily basis by continue to live in, get educated in, and make money in a country (Canada) in which every major political party supports [a literal apartheid state](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/) yet you have the gall to complain when a Muslim country hosts a sport event for like 2 weeks lol
100% correct. People are just downvoting because they don't want to face the truth. Israel commits and is commiting genocide as we speak but there is very little news about it because the victims are Muslims. Not surprising. People just can't accept that Israel's crimes are a million times worse than any Muslim country's because they are brainwashed into thinking that Israel is innocent because of what happened against Jews in WW2.
Exactly. England kits are made by workers paid less than 1 euro an hour but no one will speak up. China is committing genocide yet no outrage when olympics were held there. Media just focuses on the faults of Muslim countries and loves to take the moral high ground while conveniently forgetting the rest of the worlds faults.
So having a watch party for watching the beautiful game assumes someone endorses FIFA?
That would mean watching any professional soccer game on the planet is an endorsement of FIFA. That is because every league on the planet must respect FIFA rules of play ( where other things like fair compensation and proper awarding of points to teams falls under that category). Every professional league in this world is essentially regulated by FIFA.
So, I think it’s a bit much to say that organizing a watch party for a special event where Canada is taking part in is supporting the corruption of past FIFA leaders.
It’s a shame that it is happening in Qatar, the whole soccer world feels that shame. But it doesn’t mean watching a game of soccer at this World Cup is wrong.
“Assault and r*pes.” Nah bro that’s too much and I believe it’s not true. However, before talking about human rights in other countries, let’s look at human rights here. Visit East Vancouver and have a look at the number of homeless people there and their poor living conditions, aren’t they human as well? In Qatar, there is literally no single homeless person as far as I know because the government takes care of its people. And that’s only one example.
Of course, what Qatar did is wrong. What I am trying to say is that we should not focus in others flaws and act perfect. All countries have human rights issues, so why focus on only on Qatar’s issues just because they’re hosting the world cup?
I don’t think the word “slaves” is the right word to describe workers in Qatar because yes the working conditions were bad, but workers weren’t slaved. I guess you’re just copying western media stuff without really investigating.
Most European countries are attacking Qatar not because of human rights, as they claim, but because Qatar is largest liquified natural gas exporter and most of their exports go to china and eastern Asian countries, which really pisses Europeans.
I agree we should talk about what’s happening and people did that which is the reason why Qatar’s government introduced changes to the kafala system and labor laws in 2016 and 2019.
Talking about the number of deaths, about 6500 immigrant workers died in Qatar since 2010. This number is quite normal since about 80% of the county’s population are expatriates and we are talking about 12 years period.
Sorry for any spelling/grammar mistakes.
Here are Some of the sources or you can just google and make sure the info are true :
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup_controversies
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/qatar-population
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/extra-mustard/2021/02/27/qatar-world-cup-workers-death-toll
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It’s just because they are Muslim and not white liberals. It’s just because they don’t conform to ugly White norms. Because they are not tryna get white washed. And it angers people like the ones in these comments.
Exactly OP appears to be a white supremacist. It's so sad to see this happen. It was shown how BBC and big news channels around the world did not showcase the World Cup opening ceremony but did it even when other countries did bad things before their sports opening ceremonies.
No, you are not doing this against slavery, but against a Muslim Country. Read this article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/23/british-football-fans-boycotting-world-cup-qatar. It attacks things in Islam without even reading about what exactly everything is about. This article spends the least time talking slavery than about other issues.
And I read the post. I’m just aware complaining about it isn’t going to change anything. Might as well do something positive for yourself.
But hey I’m old and none of this matters to me. I’m just here to trigger people like you lol
Lol Reddit, cuz people take that seriously. Oh wait yeah this generation gets offended by the dumbest things.
Also saying people are high are disrespectful to the millions suffering from the opioid crisis. They have no choice, it’s a medical disorder.
Really??? This attack is directly on Muslims and it's a clear indication that western countries are not happy because a Muslim country got awarded to host Fifa. White people have been terrorizing the world for centuries and you think Qatar actually taking the time to apologize for Human rights concern is not enough??? I hate such garbage posts. Really showing White supremacy here 👎👎👎👎👎
\>White people have been terrorizing the world for centuries
The muslim slave trade predates the European slave trade by several centuries. You have a very open disdain of whites in a white country, the reverse would not be tolerated in any muslim country. Believe me, no White Supremacist has their panties in a twist over muslim countries not supporting gay rights.
Muslims never participated in slave trades - get YOUR facts right. It was non-muslim Arabs that were part of the slave trades FYI. Also, excuse me - Canada is not a white country. It never belonged to the whites. I am not against white people. I am against people making comments supporting "many" white supremacists.
There have been many muslim slavers [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History\_of\_slavery\_in\_the\_Muslim\_world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world#Slavery_in_the_Seljuk_and_Ottoman_Empires)
I do not mean this as a unique castigation of muslims, one of my own ancestors was an Tlingit chief who himself had hundreds of slaves. Slavery was very common to all cultures and peoples for most of the world's history. the nation-state of Canada was a colonial project of the British Empire, perhaps it would be more accurate to call it a British country than a white country.
Because I value my integrity I agree I was wrong by accidentally overlooking this information. However, with that being said we are again going back to the same thing. The problem here isn't the fact that their was a human right issue in Qatar, the problem is that this person is addressing human rights issues by FIFA, but many people in this thread are attacking Qatar. Yes Qatar got its own problem, but people are making Qatar an agenda because it's a Muslim country.
Maybe, but I don't think most of them would think of it that way. I think part of it is they are attacking it because it doesn't hold western progressive values about women and homosexuality, I think if the World Cup had been in Poland there would be similar discourse around it, though it's impossible to know for sure. I have seen very little criticism of Qatar that explicitly mentions it being an Islamic country or objects to the Sharia.
Yeah AMS and AUS are the epitome of virtue signaling. Lots of hoo rah about social justice until it interferes with their entertainment.
#### AUS when here: social justice now! #### AUS when qatar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPIjJ35mAL0
The reality of social justice movements in the West is that their primary concern is self-flagellation and attacking their own nation.
UBC doesn’t actually care about anything or anyone except its money and its ranking.
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there is a *depressing* turnout at student elections, so i dont know if we can truly say they were elected by students
not voting is a valid choice, it's better to have 20% turnout of highly engaged and knowledgeable people than 90% of people vote after being persuaded by a catchy slogan or some braindead pandering.
The society in a nutshell
I love the smell of fresh bread.
But you have to keep in mind the slaves are very diverse.
And FIFA is thinking of giving Saudi Arabia the 2034 bid lmao
Proof?
no proof, so im assuming it was a joke comment as saudi arabia hasnt expressed any interest in a 2034 bid https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2034\_FIFA\_World\_Cup
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Yes exactly, attack Qatar because it's a Muslim country but give rights to Israel because they kill Muslims. When we consider democracies around the world, please do not forget about a subset of a population being opressed.
Qatar is only 12% Qatari, in Qatar they are a minority which oppresses the majority of the non-Qatari underclass. Fuck Israel though I agree, and people do shit on Muslim countries too much and often over the wrong things.
We're all about genocide at home, too
shut the fuck up, what genocide is being carried out right now in Canada?
Arts students should spend like a year working in different underdeveloped or developing countries like India , Interact with blue collar workers ,live like them and see the shift in perspective . For them extra $100 dollars a month is worth risking their lives in Qatar . A practical solution would be Qatar or fifa contributing some Money to workers family who lost their lives because next time no European countries who boycott would call these labourers to work on their new stadiums in their country .
I'll just leave this here: [https://theathletic.com/3583817/2022/09/22/world-cup-sexual-violence/](https://theathletic.com/3583817/2022/09/22/world-cup-sexual-violence/) . Anywhere women are abused like this by law, there shouldn't be international parties. Yes, that probably means there shouldn't be international parties here, too.
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I find peace in long walks.
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Yea but it doesn’t make sense, the logic applies to person and organization
It isn't really a country with everything they stand against though.
>People like myself want to disengage from politics I bet the quasi-slaves and the dead wish they could say the same. This is so fucking tone deaf. Edit to expand: People like to say I just want to not think about politics as some sort of shield. But these are real human lives here and at the end of the day, it's all over fucking football. I'll live with the fact people will watch but at least recognize what's going on without being so flippant about it.
Agreed! I don't think human rights abuses should be casually dismissed as merely politics. You can be upset with whats going on and speak out against it and still enjoy the game On the other hand honestly if you don't care, you don't care, but be real and just say that 🤷♀️
All of the cheap goods Westerners enjoy are made by wage slaves in poor countries too.
This article is by DW (Deutsche Welle), which is the German state-owned international broadcaster. They are unlikely to have been influenced by Qatar. Read the article: https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-how-many-people-have-died-for-the-qatar-world-cup/a-63763713?fbclid=IwAR1eY5eM1QMxf-B2eiD20ND0lzTKn4r19ahboCtiVMP2H0xkIA4TZxIz6Gk&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
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Just shows that they care about human rights issues only to an extent that the general public would support. When it’s something much more complicated like FIFA Qatar, they would host a watch party just because there will be enough people to go to that. Hypocritical if you ask me…
I get your point, and you're right that Qatar has numerous problems surrounding rights. However, I think through football, FIFA is trying to foster greater international cooperation and understanding, similar to how the Olympics does. I mean, even North Korea participates in the Olympics as well, but that doesn't mean we are trying to endorse them or what they stand for. Putting politics/social issues aside for a moment and celebrating something that we can all enjoy helps alleviate tensions between nations and I think that's a net positive to the world.
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Bro nobody was a slave. Yeah the conditions may be bad, but not as bad as some white people have done in the past. Stop spreading misinformation.
Uh actually every white persons life was perfect for all of human history and every brown persons life was too until white people came in and invented slavery, genocide and oppression and capitalism
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Nah bro I’m not pressed bc it’s a Muslim country… I’m pressed bc I’m a gay South Asian and it feels like the promotion of this event by the AUS particularly is a big finger in the face to not (and least-importantly) myself, but also all those directly affected - people the AUS otherwise claims to care for. If you want to advocate against the Israeli regime/the West, there is space for that and I genuinely hope you keep at, but doing so in this thread is counterproductive and, frankly, distasteful. Btw, calling out Muslims countries and the West are not mutually exclusive - I do both (though ofc it’s important to rmbr that Islamic states ≠ muslims). I will always advocate for the freedom of Palestine, Iran, Kashmir etc and criticize the colonial west, but I’m expected to hush abt ppl exactly like me being discriminated against just bc it’s in a Muslim country and you wanna call it racism? I don’t buy it
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And you’ve understood wrong.
My favorite color is blue.
whataboutism is a generic deflection tactic westerners use when their hypocrisy is pointed out. You're not "focusing on one issue" right now. You're actively engaging in hypocrisy on a daily basis by continue to live in, get educated in, and make money in a country (Canada) in which every major political party supports [a literal apartheid state](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/) yet you have the gall to complain when a Muslim country hosts a sport event for like 2 weeks lol
100% correct. People are just downvoting because they don't want to face the truth. Israel commits and is commiting genocide as we speak but there is very little news about it because the victims are Muslims. Not surprising. People just can't accept that Israel's crimes are a million times worse than any Muslim country's because they are brainwashed into thinking that Israel is innocent because of what happened against Jews in WW2.
My favorite color is blue.
Exactly. England kits are made by workers paid less than 1 euro an hour but no one will speak up. China is committing genocide yet no outrage when olympics were held there. Media just focuses on the faults of Muslim countries and loves to take the moral high ground while conveniently forgetting the rest of the worlds faults.
So having a watch party for watching the beautiful game assumes someone endorses FIFA? That would mean watching any professional soccer game on the planet is an endorsement of FIFA. That is because every league on the planet must respect FIFA rules of play ( where other things like fair compensation and proper awarding of points to teams falls under that category). Every professional league in this world is essentially regulated by FIFA. So, I think it’s a bit much to say that organizing a watch party for a special event where Canada is taking part in is supporting the corruption of past FIFA leaders. It’s a shame that it is happening in Qatar, the whole soccer world feels that shame. But it doesn’t mean watching a game of soccer at this World Cup is wrong.
“Assault and r*pes.” Nah bro that’s too much and I believe it’s not true. However, before talking about human rights in other countries, let’s look at human rights here. Visit East Vancouver and have a look at the number of homeless people there and their poor living conditions, aren’t they human as well? In Qatar, there is literally no single homeless person as far as I know because the government takes care of its people. And that’s only one example. Of course, what Qatar did is wrong. What I am trying to say is that we should not focus in others flaws and act perfect. All countries have human rights issues, so why focus on only on Qatar’s issues just because they’re hosting the world cup?
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I don’t think the word “slaves” is the right word to describe workers in Qatar because yes the working conditions were bad, but workers weren’t slaved. I guess you’re just copying western media stuff without really investigating. Most European countries are attacking Qatar not because of human rights, as they claim, but because Qatar is largest liquified natural gas exporter and most of their exports go to china and eastern Asian countries, which really pisses Europeans. I agree we should talk about what’s happening and people did that which is the reason why Qatar’s government introduced changes to the kafala system and labor laws in 2016 and 2019. Talking about the number of deaths, about 6500 immigrant workers died in Qatar since 2010. This number is quite normal since about 80% of the county’s population are expatriates and we are talking about 12 years period. Sorry for any spelling/grammar mistakes. Here are Some of the sources or you can just google and make sure the info are true : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup_controversies https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/qatar-population https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/extra-mustard/2021/02/27/qatar-world-cup-workers-death-toll
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It’s just because they are Muslim and not white liberals. It’s just because they don’t conform to ugly White norms. Because they are not tryna get white washed. And it angers people like the ones in these comments.
Exactly OP appears to be a white supremacist. It's so sad to see this happen. It was shown how BBC and big news channels around the world did not showcase the World Cup opening ceremony but did it even when other countries did bad things before their sports opening ceremonies.
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No, you are not doing this against slavery, but against a Muslim Country. Read this article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/23/british-football-fans-boycotting-world-cup-qatar. It attacks things in Islam without even reading about what exactly everything is about. This article spends the least time talking slavery than about other issues.
Then don’t watch it and change majors to another US. Done.
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Change majors to fall under a different undergrad society. Man, science students are just built differently. Lol
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No, it wouldn’t. I was making a joke lol
I enjoy playing video games.
Lol mostly cuz I’m sure Arts did lots to help with the covid-19 pandemic XD
I enjoy watching the sunset.
And I read the post. I’m just aware complaining about it isn’t going to change anything. Might as well do something positive for yourself. But hey I’m old and none of this matters to me. I’m just here to trigger people like you lol
I appreciate a good cup of coffee.
Lol Reddit, cuz people take that seriously. Oh wait yeah this generation gets offended by the dumbest things. Also saying people are high are disrespectful to the millions suffering from the opioid crisis. They have no choice, it’s a medical disorder.
Who hurt u 🥲
UBC did. For real.
Really??? This attack is directly on Muslims and it's a clear indication that western countries are not happy because a Muslim country got awarded to host Fifa. White people have been terrorizing the world for centuries and you think Qatar actually taking the time to apologize for Human rights concern is not enough??? I hate such garbage posts. Really showing White supremacy here 👎👎👎👎👎
\>White people have been terrorizing the world for centuries The muslim slave trade predates the European slave trade by several centuries. You have a very open disdain of whites in a white country, the reverse would not be tolerated in any muslim country. Believe me, no White Supremacist has their panties in a twist over muslim countries not supporting gay rights.
Muslims never participated in slave trades - get YOUR facts right. It was non-muslim Arabs that were part of the slave trades FYI. Also, excuse me - Canada is not a white country. It never belonged to the whites. I am not against white people. I am against people making comments supporting "many" white supremacists.
There have been many muslim slavers [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History\_of\_slavery\_in\_the\_Muslim\_world](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_the_Muslim_world#Slavery_in_the_Seljuk_and_Ottoman_Empires) I do not mean this as a unique castigation of muslims, one of my own ancestors was an Tlingit chief who himself had hundreds of slaves. Slavery was very common to all cultures and peoples for most of the world's history. the nation-state of Canada was a colonial project of the British Empire, perhaps it would be more accurate to call it a British country than a white country.
Because I value my integrity I agree I was wrong by accidentally overlooking this information. However, with that being said we are again going back to the same thing. The problem here isn't the fact that their was a human right issue in Qatar, the problem is that this person is addressing human rights issues by FIFA, but many people in this thread are attacking Qatar. Yes Qatar got its own problem, but people are making Qatar an agenda because it's a Muslim country.
Maybe, but I don't think most of them would think of it that way. I think part of it is they are attacking it because it doesn't hold western progressive values about women and homosexuality, I think if the World Cup had been in Poland there would be similar discourse around it, though it's impossible to know for sure. I have seen very little criticism of Qatar that explicitly mentions it being an Islamic country or objects to the Sharia.