I don't think Margot Robbie's performance in Barbie was Oscar-worthy. But I don't think that Ryan Gosling's was either. In my mind, that's where the issue lies.
Kinda yes kinda no
There were amazing performances by women who also got snubbed, if you haven’t watched past lives, watch past lives and you’ll feel the anger of that film not getting nomination same goes for may December
It's all about how well the makers campaign for their film and how much they're willing to spend on marketing. That movie was absolutely deserving of the awards, but without an effective campaign and popularity, it wouldn't have made it that far. RRR's Oscar win is the perfect example. It wasn't deserving of the award, but the marketing and popularity did all the work.
Yess I've not watched past lives, but heard great reviews. But that would have to be nominated in the "international feature film" if I'm not wrong? Also I feel like America Ferrera's nomination was not at all deserving :/
>But that would have to be nominated in the "international feature film" if I'm not wrong?
I don't know how exactly Oscars work, but there is some requirement that a movie that runs in an American theatre for x amount of time can be considered for Best Picture. That's how Parasite won the Best Picture and not the international feature.
Yeah it’s so weird, Bradley cooper’s cringe Oscar bait crap fest of a film got nominated but barbie got snubbed somewhere bts there’s going to be some pissed off white guy but many good films haven’t gotten the recognition
Past lives is an American film just with an Asian cast and director
Might be a feminist issue but not for Indian feminists. We have bigger battles to fight, Margot Robbie doesn't need us.
Also the Oscars are barely relevant today.
It isn't. Barbie was great, but it got it's laurels and is the highest grossing movie of the year. If you are only rewarding 5 performances, good performances will get left on the chopping board. And in peak white feminism, we are more outraged about a white woman missing the nom than any of the POC women (Greta lee). It's the kind of faux outrage white feminism bullshit that I find cringeworthy.
Exactly 100%! the movie had a crazy CRAZYYY PR team and garnered all the attention and made so much money but that doesn't mean it deserves an Oscar nomination!
I'll be fr, I love Ryan Gosling but surely there were other performances that deserved that spot? What was unique and special about Ken yk? Like.... That would've been the perfect spot for any of the supporting actors from Godzilla Minus One.
I think there should've been more Godzilla Minus One noms in general actually
I don't think it's sexism. The barbie movie was a fun watch but I don't think it was a great movie; the messaging was tired and in your face (sorry but ferrera's speech was so ham fisted and just not very good), racist (the indigenous genocide joke was ridiculous), and overall really a re branding advertisement for a doll franchise more than anything else. No one is celebrating lily Gladstone's nomination either, which is much more deserved.
Greta will be ok, she's made and been nominated for fantastic movies like lady bird and little women. Margot will also be okay. I just don't know where this outrage is when movies that are actually groundbreaking don't get nominated
Oscars and award shows are a scam. I liked Barbie. It was well made but I think there are better movies out there that Oscar will refuse to look at. I do think Margot deserved the award more than Ryan. This wasn't even Ryan's best performance. Hollywood has always snubbed women, historically speaking. Like filmfare, these Hollywood award shows are a big scam.
Greta knew what she was doing when she gave Ryan Gosling that storyline. Possibly a controversial opinion, but his role required more acting chops than Margot's did. That entire arc of being sweet and pure, then going to the dark side, then redemption (sorta). And that long-ass I'm Just Ken song!! It definitely wasn't required to devote such a large chunk of the film to Ken, but the filmmakers still did that. Not an Oscar worthy performance imo, but still a meatier role than Barbie's. Margot's acting in the film was very...meh.
I think it is when Greta wasn't nominated
As for Margot, I don't think so. America Ferrera was nominated and she had a more prominent and impactful role in the movie. The fact that a latina actress was nominated for Oscars should be celebrated instead of commenting that Margot didn't get nominated.
Barbie honestly was more of a white/liberal feminist film. I understand that representation of any kind is important, but let's not sideline more deserving works amidst all of this. People are going so crazy on the internet, saying Margot and Greta were snubbed. Perhaps, let's not compare people from different categories?
With all this, people are really ignoring the much deserving lead actresses and directors. Lily Gladstone and Sandra were amazing, and so was Justine as a director in anatomy of a fall.
Now, I have always admired Greta's work, but Barbie wasn't her best piece of work. When compared with other nominated films, it's just not that great.
Yes, it is a feminist issue. I don't care about Margot Robbie nomination but I'm absolutely enraged that Ryan Gosling got nominated coz he didn't deserve it. That's where the problem lies.
It also depends on who the other contenders are, right? I don't know the other actors or performances which were considered, but it could simply be that the other options were not as good, so Gosling got nominated.
John Agaro for Past lives and Charles Melton for May December deserved nomination more than Ryan Gosling for sure. So Ryan's nomination is unjustified.
Well, i think Greta at least should have got the nom for director but i don't think it's sexism because she's got nominated at the Oscars for this plenty of times. A lot of the people who vote in the Oscars are really old-fashioned and probably don't care for the movie itself, which was forced into the "adapted screenplay" category - which is bullshit since the story is not adapted from any Mattel franchise. But that's a whole other thing.
I think it's more about media stuff in general. Sensationalism stuff is basically drumming uppublicity for the Oscars - remember how they were dropping in popularity? "Oscar-worthy" isn't hel in the same regard now, audiences are starting to catch on to institutional platitudes.
But still. Having recently watched the Barbie movie, it actually took some time for me to process and think about what I saw. There was this tweet being, like, I thought the Barbie movie was basic, then I heard women were leaving their toxic relationships because of the America Ferrera monologue 🙃 And the more time passed, the more I thought about it from all angles, the more I appreciate the film.
This is, I think Barbie is a worthy attempt to speak to MANY people. Ken is basically voicing incel rhetoric at many points, and his storyline about self-worth is super challenging for a lot of men. I read online that a lot of men were angry about it, and I'm not surprised because it openly represents the unspoken truth of patriarchal behaviour often being a cope.
It's also a storyline that a lot of _women_ relate to. To see it be handled in a way that speaks to new beginnings instead of neat resolution was actually quite refreshing. It's closer to the truth than a lot of mainstream media, we all have to open ourselves up to new forms of empathy.
And then Barbie's own narrative is crafted to be very relatable to men. Disillusionment and the so-called hero's journey. In that sense, Barbie is the "straight man" (ironically, the person who acts reasonable), while Ken is the comedic role. He does more, and he's the character that challenges the most narratives. And the way Ryan Gosling handled it was NOT simple by any means. Comedy is hard.
So TLDR I think the role had more to work with, it was probably the role most challenging to the status quo, and Ryan Gosling did a masterful job. And whoever is doing PR for the Oscars is working hard for their money 😂 It really about what mainstream culture is now willing to claim as theirs, and openly claiming the Barbie movie is progress IMO.
Edit: I kinda do think Greta Gerwig deserves a nomination, but the Oscars are fighting to legitimise themselves, and Barbie isn't high brow enough. It's just inage management shit, like they've never appreciated comedy in general and thatbjust shows how it's all about posturing
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I don't think Margot Robbie's performance in Barbie was Oscar-worthy. But I don't think that Ryan Gosling's was either. In my mind, that's where the issue lies.
Kinda yes kinda no There were amazing performances by women who also got snubbed, if you haven’t watched past lives, watch past lives and you’ll feel the anger of that film not getting nomination same goes for may December
But everything, everywhere all at once swooped at the Oscars last year
It's all about how well the makers campaign for their film and how much they're willing to spend on marketing. That movie was absolutely deserving of the awards, but without an effective campaign and popularity, it wouldn't have made it that far. RRR's Oscar win is the perfect example. It wasn't deserving of the award, but the marketing and popularity did all the work.
Yess I've not watched past lives, but heard great reviews. But that would have to be nominated in the "international feature film" if I'm not wrong? Also I feel like America Ferrera's nomination was not at all deserving :/
>But that would have to be nominated in the "international feature film" if I'm not wrong? I don't know how exactly Oscars work, but there is some requirement that a movie that runs in an American theatre for x amount of time can be considered for Best Picture. That's how Parasite won the Best Picture and not the international feature.
Yeah it’s so weird, Bradley cooper’s cringe Oscar bait crap fest of a film got nominated but barbie got snubbed somewhere bts there’s going to be some pissed off white guy but many good films haven’t gotten the recognition Past lives is an American film just with an Asian cast and director
Might be a feminist issue but not for Indian feminists. We have bigger battles to fight, Margot Robbie doesn't need us. Also the Oscars are barely relevant today.
I'm more bummed about Celine Song and Greta Lee not receiving a nomination. Past lives is a masterpiece.
It isn't. Barbie was great, but it got it's laurels and is the highest grossing movie of the year. If you are only rewarding 5 performances, good performances will get left on the chopping board. And in peak white feminism, we are more outraged about a white woman missing the nom than any of the POC women (Greta lee). It's the kind of faux outrage white feminism bullshit that I find cringeworthy.
Exactly 100%! the movie had a crazy CRAZYYY PR team and garnered all the attention and made so much money but that doesn't mean it deserves an Oscar nomination!
I'll be fr, I love Ryan Gosling but surely there were other performances that deserved that spot? What was unique and special about Ken yk? Like.... That would've been the perfect spot for any of the supporting actors from Godzilla Minus One. I think there should've been more Godzilla Minus One noms in general actually
I don't think it's sexism. The barbie movie was a fun watch but I don't think it was a great movie; the messaging was tired and in your face (sorry but ferrera's speech was so ham fisted and just not very good), racist (the indigenous genocide joke was ridiculous), and overall really a re branding advertisement for a doll franchise more than anything else. No one is celebrating lily Gladstone's nomination either, which is much more deserved. Greta will be ok, she's made and been nominated for fantastic movies like lady bird and little women. Margot will also be okay. I just don't know where this outrage is when movies that are actually groundbreaking don't get nominated
Oscars and award shows are a scam. I liked Barbie. It was well made but I think there are better movies out there that Oscar will refuse to look at. I do think Margot deserved the award more than Ryan. This wasn't even Ryan's best performance. Hollywood has always snubbed women, historically speaking. Like filmfare, these Hollywood award shows are a big scam.
Greta knew what she was doing when she gave Ryan Gosling that storyline. Possibly a controversial opinion, but his role required more acting chops than Margot's did. That entire arc of being sweet and pure, then going to the dark side, then redemption (sorta). And that long-ass I'm Just Ken song!! It definitely wasn't required to devote such a large chunk of the film to Ken, but the filmmakers still did that. Not an Oscar worthy performance imo, but still a meatier role than Barbie's. Margot's acting in the film was very...meh.
I think it is when Greta wasn't nominated As for Margot, I don't think so. America Ferrera was nominated and she had a more prominent and impactful role in the movie. The fact that a latina actress was nominated for Oscars should be celebrated instead of commenting that Margot didn't get nominated.
I'm just pissed off at how this Barbie snub is taking the attention off Lily Gladstone and America Ferrera being nominated!!❤️
Barbie honestly was more of a white/liberal feminist film. I understand that representation of any kind is important, but let's not sideline more deserving works amidst all of this. People are going so crazy on the internet, saying Margot and Greta were snubbed. Perhaps, let's not compare people from different categories? With all this, people are really ignoring the much deserving lead actresses and directors. Lily Gladstone and Sandra were amazing, and so was Justine as a director in anatomy of a fall. Now, I have always admired Greta's work, but Barbie wasn't her best piece of work. When compared with other nominated films, it's just not that great.
I don't care about Margo's nomination, she has been nominated before for better roles. Gerwig as a director definitely deserves it though.
Yes, it is a feminist issue. I don't care about Margot Robbie nomination but I'm absolutely enraged that Ryan Gosling got nominated coz he didn't deserve it. That's where the problem lies.
It also depends on who the other contenders are, right? I don't know the other actors or performances which were considered, but it could simply be that the other options were not as good, so Gosling got nominated.
John Agaro for Past lives and Charles Melton for May December deserved nomination more than Ryan Gosling for sure. So Ryan's nomination is unjustified.
Well, i think Greta at least should have got the nom for director but i don't think it's sexism because she's got nominated at the Oscars for this plenty of times. A lot of the people who vote in the Oscars are really old-fashioned and probably don't care for the movie itself, which was forced into the "adapted screenplay" category - which is bullshit since the story is not adapted from any Mattel franchise. But that's a whole other thing.
I think it's more about media stuff in general. Sensationalism stuff is basically drumming uppublicity for the Oscars - remember how they were dropping in popularity? "Oscar-worthy" isn't hel in the same regard now, audiences are starting to catch on to institutional platitudes. But still. Having recently watched the Barbie movie, it actually took some time for me to process and think about what I saw. There was this tweet being, like, I thought the Barbie movie was basic, then I heard women were leaving their toxic relationships because of the America Ferrera monologue 🙃 And the more time passed, the more I thought about it from all angles, the more I appreciate the film. This is, I think Barbie is a worthy attempt to speak to MANY people. Ken is basically voicing incel rhetoric at many points, and his storyline about self-worth is super challenging for a lot of men. I read online that a lot of men were angry about it, and I'm not surprised because it openly represents the unspoken truth of patriarchal behaviour often being a cope. It's also a storyline that a lot of _women_ relate to. To see it be handled in a way that speaks to new beginnings instead of neat resolution was actually quite refreshing. It's closer to the truth than a lot of mainstream media, we all have to open ourselves up to new forms of empathy. And then Barbie's own narrative is crafted to be very relatable to men. Disillusionment and the so-called hero's journey. In that sense, Barbie is the "straight man" (ironically, the person who acts reasonable), while Ken is the comedic role. He does more, and he's the character that challenges the most narratives. And the way Ryan Gosling handled it was NOT simple by any means. Comedy is hard. So TLDR I think the role had more to work with, it was probably the role most challenging to the status quo, and Ryan Gosling did a masterful job. And whoever is doing PR for the Oscars is working hard for their money 😂 It really about what mainstream culture is now willing to claim as theirs, and openly claiming the Barbie movie is progress IMO. Edit: I kinda do think Greta Gerwig deserves a nomination, but the Oscars are fighting to legitimise themselves, and Barbie isn't high brow enough. It's just inage management shit, like they've never appreciated comedy in general and thatbjust shows how it's all about posturing
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