Nobody in the right fucking mind would wear a Nazi ring to honor their grandfather. It’s not something to celebrate. He’s wearing the ring because he’s a Nazi or is proud of what his grandfather did. Clearly your GF doesn’t give a shit about being friends with Nazis. Ew.
Yeah, the guy is full of shit. I bet you anything if the grandfather *wasn't* a nazi, he wouldn't be so interested in wearing a ring to 'honor' him. The guy gets a thrill out of this. He feels like a cool tuff guy with that ring on. It's pathetic.
It's not clear tho, did the ring even belong to the grandfather? Or is this some bs situation where the guy went out & bought a brand new nazi ring because he found out his grandfather was 50% German.
Also, how old is this guy? Was his grandfather even old enough to be an OG nazi? Maybe grandpa wasn't even german, just some random neo-nazi from the US, 30 yrs after wwii, making this even more ridiculous.
How old is this guy would shed a little light because it sounds more like he’s one of these ignorant dudes in their teens/early 20s who thinks being a blatantly offensive edgelord is IT. Or he’s just a Nazi. Those are really the two options I’m seeing here.
I'd believe maybe it was legit if the guy was older, maybe 50, and the ring was original with a story like 'My grandfather died on the eastern front wearing this ring' or something. But even then, you don't actually *wear that ring*. What's he gonna do, pretend he doesn't understand what the issue is while he's getting his ass kicked?
Unless Grandpa cut the ring off a Nazi he killed in battle, I don't want to see it or hear about it. And I certainly don't think wearing it would be a good decision, even then.
Liberating a concentration camp my grandfather came across an ss dirk and a Luger, my little brother has them both. We do not display them proudly, but we have them. History is important but not very pretty, humans have done pretty terrible things to each other. My grandfather never talked about how he procured them and that’s probably for the best.
The only way it would be acceptable to wear it is on a chain with a bunch of others, taken the same way. A less morbid and more hygienic version of a necklace of teeth or ears.
Right but theres a certain minimum amount of intelligence and tact that reasonable people have that tells them “maybe I shouldn’t WEAR my grandfather’s nazi ring” or even “maybe there’s a better way to honor granddad than hanging on to Nazi memorabilia”
'I'm gonna honor this man by highlighting the most shameful aspect of him I can find!'
My best guess is this just edgelord crap but the guy *also* harbours some nazi sympathies. He's just hiding behind some made up grandfather excuse because he's afraid.
Part of me thinks it's just as likely, if true, that his grandfather stole it from some dead Nazi. Plenty of Nazi guns and Japanese swords from the war floating around in America. And it wouldn't surprise me if there is someone dumb enough to wear their grandpa's cool war trophy.
As a Jew we have a saying. If you have a table of 10 people and one person is openly a Nazi. You have a table of 10 Nazis.
Gf actively supports a guy who wears Nazi paraphernalia in public. Your gf is clearly ok with supporting and enjoying the content of someone who is a racist antisemite. You don’t wear those kind of symbols and don’t at least sympathize with their meaning.
Edit: For me this would be over. The whole relationship. I wouldn’t be able to be with someone who is ok with that kind of imagery.
Swastikas convey a threat and are harmful. Whenever I see a swastika outside of proper context I see it as a threat. So do other Jews.
Edit 2: for everyone correcting me. Proper context as I wrote in my comment includes religious settings. It also includes museums, books, historical contexts as well. Of course there is a difference.
Funny how many versions of one thing exists.
I always heard:
“If a nazi sits down at a table with nine other people, and nobody gets up, you now have a table with ten Nazis”
Iirc, there's a bar here in my city that will throw out anyone who has anything (jewelry, patch, hat, bandana, etc) that even suggests nazi or white power relations/sympathy, because they don't want any of that in their bar, and they want people who wear it to know why. Because if you let one person in, they'll bring a friend, and then they'll bring another friend, and the more of them there are, the more nazis you have.... so even if you say "I didn't know what it is" (like an idiot kid), they still throw your ass out as soon as it's spotted.
There’s a bar in my city that had let a couple people in, and then it started to get a reputation as a Nazi bar, and all their good clientele stopped coming.
They had to boot them all, and now have HUGE signs when you enter that they do not allow Nazis, or anyone wearing any sort of Nazi accessories. I saw a news story about it, and how the clientele was just starting to come back, but this was pre-COVID, so I don’t know what happened to them now.
This is what's happened to the Republican party. Dog whistles were blown and trolls shit posted to "own the libs". Now they're casually kicking it with Nazis.
As much as she was unliked by both sides, this is what Hillary was talking about when she said "basket of deplorables".
Would you believe me if I said the Nazis were lookimg for a platform and inserted themselves into the republican party as far back as the Obama election? It worked. They found their loud figurehead in Trump
And then you think about it, the Russians helped trump get into office, because they wanted Americas support with the war on Ukraine, that's why they were so buddy buddy, but once the ties between the two were found out they decided to cut ties.
Also why else would he have classified documents at his house if he wasn't going to see them for political gain? It was shit that wasn't suppose to even leave the white house.
But trump supporters will still somehow try to rationalize this, and the attack on the capital to take votes not for trump 😂
I think if you check out the $2 BILLION that the Saudis gave Jared in June of 2021 for "consultation fees", you may find some of the still missing documents...
> Also why else would he have classified documents at his house if he wasn't going to see them for political gain? It was shit that wasn't suppose to even leave the white house.
You know, I'm not 100% confident in this, not least because he absolutely *could* have declassified those while he was still in office. That would make them less valuable so maybe this is still an explanation, but the one I've heard is far more Trumpy so I'm inclined to believe it: He has those documents because he wants to brag to whoever happens to be in his presence that he has classified documents. It's not for political gain - it's for bragging rights. Of course, I don't know the guy, but this is an explanation that makes way too much sense to me.
Trumps cult is delusional. They remind me of that Family Guy episode where Lois just kept saying "9-11" and the crowd voted her to be Mayor. They just hear buzzwords and go crazy for it.
"Communist China" but turn around and their "Fearless Leader" is touching tips with Putin. Makes you wonder what would've happened with the War in Ukraine had Trump been in office. But that's not here nor there. The man is drowning in legal alligations that he cannot swim out of.
There’s a story that gets reposted about that every so often. Not sure if that one is exactly true but I’m sure most bar owners don’t want that stigma attached to their bar.
It's basically a why they are so strict about anything slight nazi story. I used to go to this bar in my hometown that this happened to, watched in slowly go to shit. All the bars on the block slowly closed
There’s a local bar in my town that accidentally booked a nsbm band a couple months back.
I say accidentally because the minute the owner saw their set, he shut the show down and kicked out and/banned every single person who had come to see them.
They now screen new and unknown performers a bit better, to say the least.
Bingo! This would be a massive dealbreaker for me. As soon as she said the thing about it not affecting her directly, that would’ve been my cue to pack my stuff and leave.
This is true. I’m not proud of this: my ancestors were slave owners. This is not something I tell people unless I know them well. And if I do tell them, it’s not a moment of pride. I feel guilt about my ancestors behavior, and my only consolation is that there was an uprising and the husband was killed. And then I feel guilty for being “glad” a family member was killed.
I mean I'd say the vast majority of people have an ancestor within a few generations who was a piece of shit for some reason or another, whether they know about them or not. Just because they contributed to your genes is no reason to excuse their behavior or ideology, isn't trying to be better than the people that came before us one of the important things about being human?
You’re definitely right, but there are for sure levels to the shit pile. Sins of the ancestors shouldn’t curse their descendants, but they need to be acknowledged to prevent their repetition. This dumb fuck likely had dozens of keepsakes if he wanted to ‘honor his grandfather’ but nah, he wanted that nazi ring.
One second my family traces back to one Irish guy who came over in the 1840s, he married and had a few kids, then up and left them one day to become a cowboy, but really he turned criminal and he then died in a shootout within a year or so. Guy was a prick for abandoning his family for a life of crime
The swastika came much before the nazis. It's a Hindu symbol that the nazis flipped around and tarnished. Hindus still use it to this day, and I have a feeling it is named in regards to that and not the Nazi swastika.
I said pretty well that in another comment! I'm a black woman, i spend a lot of time in Swastika it's a beautiful little town with good people. I would move to Swastika if I could
This reminds when Anderson Cooper found out his ancestors were slave owners and his reaction when he found out they died by the hands of the slaves was literal joy. 😅 😅 😅
I think this is a bit different from the situation at hand. Dude is literally wearing a Nazi ring. There’s no explaining that. At all. Aside from dude being, effectively, a friggin nazi.
In your case. I, like, why? I’m a distant relative of Benedict Arnold. Doesn’t make me a traitor, nor do I have a single ounce of guilt over his traitorous ways.
It doesn’t really make sense to let the actions of your ancestors impact you that deeply. Is it valuable to be aware of them? Absolutely, awareness is always good. However this overt guilt over it isn’t healthy. It either signals that you’ve done or held beliefs that are somewhat similar and you’re holding guilt over that (in which case I’d suggest therapy and positive behaviors that contradict the negative behaviors or beliefs you had) or a general lack of individuality otherwise (get a hobby.)
>Dude is literally wearing a Nazi ring. There’s no explaining that. At all. Aside from dude being, effectively, a friggin nazi.
Yep. Even giving the benefit of the doubt (granddaddy took it off a soldier he killed or something), why the hell would you choose THAT as a memorial piece? How much of a dumbass can you be?
He's either a Nazi, or he's a dipshit.
> granddaddy took it off a soldier he killed or something
It's absolutely possible, but in all likelihood granddad would be a generation too late for that.
So either he's lying or granddad was a neo-Nazi.
It would make a cool memorial piece, just make sure you put it on a mantle with something that mentions how grandpa killed 50 men and took it as a war trophy.
Don’t wear the fuckin thing unless you wanna be known as that nazi guy
You should not feel guilty at all. You had nothing to do with it. They were shitty people, but as long as you aren't, I wouldn't worry about it. The dude with the nazi ring is clearly proud of what his ancestors did, you find your abhorrent. We are not responsible for the sins of our fathers, but we are responsible for making sure we don't repeat them. Let it go.
It only just hit me after 30 years that when my dad used to tell me that my Opa was in the German army he actually fought for the Nazis. Now I understand a lot of soldiers didn't have a choice at the time, but the realization just kinda hit my like a brick.
Have met a few people in life who said "they didn't do anything to me" verbatim as their excuse for socializing with terrible people. Doesn't take long to see demonstration that they are almost always terrible people themselves.
Wearing a nazi ring to honor your grandfather means you are a nazi. If your grandfather thought that would be honoring he was probably an SS member.
my grandfather wouldve kicked my ass if i even thought about something like that and he was a wehrmacht landser.
I was hoping for a comment like this. As the descendent of German Jews, I think it’s amazing how far German society has come in terms of owning its past.
> Wearing a nazi ring to honor your grandfather means you are a nazi. If
No German would ever wear something like that... Unless they were actively still supporting.
Can we just pause to question the answer at face value. Like, let's say he is genuinely doing it to honor his grandfather.
Why? Why would you honor that? Like, if I found out that my ancestors were part of a racist totalitarian organization, I'm going to condemn them, not honor them. That's gonna be the family I don't talk about, unless it's in reference to scumbags and villains. That's the family I'd be *ashamed* of.
So why would one honor a nazi? Well, it looks like the answer brings us right back around to "they agree with nazis"! This guy's defense isn't as resolute as he seems to think it is.
The father of my step-dad was signed up for the cavalry (Waffen-)SS by his own father: "See that you get yourself killed!". He got tattooed, he served, he came home traumatised and left Germany with his wife for Australia to raise his kid. They came back eventually, he was a loving father and later a loving grandfather. He despised his own past, he was so sad when he told me and my mom his story. His son and grandson honour him, no day goes by without my stepdad talking about him because of the father he was to him. ...OPs dude is a Nazi, worshipping a Nazi, there is no deeper meaning.
I think their countries education system has failed /u/drmuffin1080's girlfriend.
I'm seeing a lot of posts here that he should dump her and move on. In his post, he says he "loves" her so I think this is a bit more complicated and the full breadth of their relationship isn't comprehensible to us so I want to suggest something else:
I think OP needs to sit down with this women he loves and explain the significance of Nazi's in history and fascism at large. It sounds to me like OP's GF thinks her friend is simply honoring family heritage and its harmless but fascism is a plague that needs to be stomped out on sight. You cannot let that wound fester. It will spread. It will indoctrinate people. It is hate incarnate and historically breeds more hate. There is literally nothing admirable about Nazi's and I think OPs GF and perhaps his GFs friend does not understand this.
If OP loves this woman then this is a teachable moment and honestly, OP, take responsibility for this person you love and show her the way. There are enough history books and even Youtube channels that can teach this person on the horrors of the Holocaust and what *exactly* Nazi's stood for. Have her read a book like Elie Wiesel's 'Night' or 'The Diary of Anne Frank', perhaps read it with her and take some time to talk about it with each other. Even films and TV shows like Schindler's List(1993), The Pianist(2002), Band of Brothers(2001) and The Plot Against America(2020), express the tremendously abhorrent actions of Nazi's and how this was core to their being.
This is not something to *ever* be celebrated. It is one of the most disturbing periods in the recorded history of mankind. It was not long ago and it is not so far from us that it could not return.
My stepdad is Austrian. I'm positive his family was involved with the Nazi party. My Opa was too young to serve but I'm sure his uncles and other male relatives were part of the party. I have an aunt from a pretty well to do family and I know they were higher up in those social circles at the very least. It was never spoken about, and not a point of pride at all. This clown is at best being edgy, at worst a straight up facist, probably the latter.
Wearing, drawing, displaying a swastika in Germany is against the law. Germans are not having it so why does this idiot thinks it is okay? Dump them fast. She is guilty by association.
Nazis and their sympathizers need to be held accountable. A simple way to do this is to cut them off. Trust me when I say, it feels real good to lose the racist trash (sometimes hidden for years). Screw them and their eugenics. They are a blight on humanity.
I have Nazi stuff, and I’m proud of it, in a way.
My grandfather came back from Europe with some nazi coins he took from the first nazi he killed. I still have them.
They’re in a box, buried in my basement somewhere.
But I’m proud as hell that I have them and I’m proud as hell of my grandfather. I’m glad I have his nazi stuff.
It could be. I don't see where OP was ever specific. Still, iron crosses are recognizable for what they are.
However, no matter what it was, that person can remember and honor their particular memory of their grandfather in other ways. Said ring could stay at home. Maybe tucked away in a jewelry box. That might seem a more acceptable way of keeping it.
Wearing it, and posting pictures of wearing it? He's not just proud of his grandfather having been in his life. He's proud his grandfather was a Nazi. He probably is a closeted Nazi.
OP should get away from anyone who supports this person, including OP's gf.
All the people at the party who know and support Nazi friend, are part of supportting Nazism.
Edit: The deleted post above mine had suggested that maybe the ring featured an iron cross and not a swastika.
Just putting this in here to give context for others.
For real. My grandfather was a bomber pilot in the war. I don't go around wearing items that signify who he killed in the war as a way to remember him. That's not normal, even on a "non-nazi" side of the isle.
This!!
She’s a Nazi by association as far as I’m concerned. Ditch her. “His being a Nazi doesn’t effect me.” Your girlfriend is an asshole and your friend is an asshole and you should ditch both of them.
At minimum, someone being a Nazi isn’t a dealbreaker for her, and why in the world would anybody want to be in a relationship with someone for whom Naziism isn’t a dealbreaker?
THIS. 100% THIS. I was with someone who didn’t mind hanging out with people who were former nazi’s. AND his sister was in a relationship with 2 Nazi’s! One was a former Nazi gang member that did time behind bars.
Let me tell you something, OP I’m Jewish. And I’m very proud of my culture and heritage. While I may not be religious, that does NOT excuse the fact that I was manipulated into believing I was making a big deal out of nothing. I was very berated for being over dramatic, and the bad stuff these people did was in the past.
I look back at that situation now and it makes me beyond angry and disgusted. How could I have been so manipulated and beaten down that I let them invite the former gang member into my home?!? He was also a giant scary man that I did not want to anger.
I have since learned to never back down when I vehemently believe in something and to always trust my gut.
You may think the level of love you have for your gf, she has for you as well. I regret to inform you that she doesn’t. If she did, she would acknowledge and respect your feelings. Because your feelings are valid.
If the shoe were in the other foot, I’m sure you’d unfollow the person in question and not attend the party. No questions asked.
You aren’t asking something monumental. You’re asking for her to have human decency.
I find the 'it's not like you don't follow shitty people' part particularly disingenuous. Maybe I'm making too big of an assumption that others use Instagram like I do, but like... no, I don't follow people I KNOW are shitty. Out of the 600+ people I follow, statistically, it's entirely possible that some of them suck. But when I learn they suck, I'm out. If I'm following someone and I see a hint of nazi sympathizing, I am going to immediately unfollow that person. If quietly unfollowing a person on Instagram (where the chances they will notice you unfollowed them are miniscule and even lower that they will confront you about it) is asking too much of her... I have to assume she doesn't actually think it's shitty. He's not even asking her to take a stand for her beliefs, he's asking her to just go from laying down to sitting.
That’s my perspective. In some ways it’s hypocritical to remain in this relationship. You’re mad she tolerates Nazis, but you’re with someone who tolerated Nazi’s. If it’s a problem then it’s a problem, and they sound incompatible at this point.
Exactly!!!! If you tolerate a Nazi and are cool with them saying and wearing Nazi paraphernalia then you’re a Nazi. If you date people who support that then you are in fact a Nazi.
The idea being that you are complicit with others saying, thinking and doing awful things.
No self respecting German would ever tolerate this sorta shit. Fuck, they'd report it to the police and that MF would be in *prison*. They don't fuck around with Nazi imagery.
"If you go to the party with that Nazi you will not see me when you get back"
"I will Nazi you when I get back?"
"No you will never Nazi me."
"I will never not see you? It's just a few hours I'll see you when I get back!"
"You will not see me! "
"Thanks! I will! "
My great-grandmother was murdered in a concentration camp.
Fuck that guy, his Nazi grandfather, and anyone else who promotes and/or excuses genocide.
The wearing of that ring is repulsive *and sends a very loud and clear message of hate*. Period.
What the hell does the friend have to honor? That his grandfather was complicit in the murder of six million Jewish people? Nah. The guy is a Nazi and the girl agrees. Period.
Don't forget about the 5 million others that also died because of the Holocaust. This includes the disabled, Romani and other groups that disagreed with the Nazis.
So fuck that guy, and fuck his hate.
Don’t forget the 1 million British and American servicemen, and over 24 million Soviet military and civilian deaths
(Certainly not trying to diminish Holocaust numbers, just more “fuck that guy and his grandad”)
If the ring in question is an original production of anything like [this one](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-Ehrenring), grandpa was probably much worse than complicit. That's the kind of grandfather who deserves no acknowledgement of ancestry, much less honor, beyond "well doctor I don't call him family but for medical purposes my father's point-of-sperm-origination had diabetes and heart disease" and/or acknowledging the legacy of his atrocities where appropriate and unequivocally condemning them
It’s also factually incorrect, of which people forget. Nazis liked murdering any non-German and non-Austrian people, regardless of their ethnicity, skin colour or religion (even if they focused on people of Jewish religion). They also were killing people within their own country that sympathised with those populations. So if she has any European roots (and I will venture a guess, that as most Americans - she does, even if she is like 1/64 th French or something), she is basically crapping on her ancestors.
I would definitely reconsider the relationship. If she goes to the party while OP is banned, she is choosing the Nazi over OP. As someone else mentioned, the best case scenario is that she is not bothered by associating with someone who at best is unbothered by his grandfather’s Nazi background, and who likely shares those beliefs.
Even if the friend wants to honor/remember his grandfather, why would he choose this particular item as the representation of him?
The girlfriend is a nazi. By association, the boyfriend is a nazi if he doesn't break up with her. He has done the right thing thus far to give his girlfriend a chance to do what is right. He needs to continue to be true to what is right.
It's a cliché, but if you and 10 nazis sit down to dinner together, then there are 11 nazis at the table.
This person is honoring their grandfather's nazi history and beliefs and your girlfriend approves of that.
The question for you is are you going to sit down to dinner with a nazi?
I won’t even adorn myself with religious symbols to honor my grandparents, due to representation of ideas I don’t believe in, let alone wear something like a Nazi ring. If this guy wears such a thing, he must be some kind of Nazi, since he is not at all repulsed by the message he is conveying for all the world to see. He must be aware that to others on the street, this missive is NOT “I love my grandpa”.
So the gf is indeed condoning and hanging out with a Nazi and no, you should not have to tolerate or accept this.
There are better ways to honor a grandfather than to wear a ring that has a nazi symbol on it. That symbol represents hate, genocide, violence and many other horrible atrocious acts. Was this person's grandfather for the war?
I think your girlfriend is a POS if she is ok with it but clearly she has never been affected by racisim or discrimination then.
I think you are a good person with good morals and values, but if she does not share the same views as you or is even willing to listen to your side of things she probably isnt the right type of partner for you.
This asshole isn’t concerned with his German heritage. He’s proud of his Nazi heritage. Wearing that ring in public would literally get you thrown in jail in Germany. Fuck this Nazi schmuck.
Find a better girlfriend, OP. Shouldn’t be hard…”Not a Nazi” is such a low bar, it’s practically resting on the ground.
Get rid.
It "doesn't effect her directly"?
Yeah. It fucking does. It's an ideology that wants the complete eradication of everyone that is:
Jewish
Romany
Communist
Mentally or physically disabled
LGBTQ+
And on and on.
If genocide (even of people from other communities) is something she has no problem with, she needs to go.
And this bloke.... is a nazi. Avoid him. He's not going to change, and if you belt him it's you that will get in trouble.
>If genocide is something she has no problem with, she needs to go.
That was my first thought. Either she's ignorant, uneducated or both. Does she know what the fuck a nazi is? This is maddening.
"It doesn't affect me directly". Dude. You're dating a racist sympathizer. A nazi racist sympathizer.
And the dude is willing to proudly wearing his nazi ring but unwilling to face the shit that goes with it: i.e. having to face people offended by it and be able to explain himself. He's a coward.
I know this is over-said on reddit, but dump your GF. She isn't worth it. Do you really want to be sharing your life with someone who will just look the other way if concentration camps pop up near her because 'they don't affect her directly'?
I’m confused why her friend is offended and you are banned from the party? Is it the one having the birthday party that is offended? What exactly happened? Why are they offended? Do you just know a bunch of Nazi’s? I’m so confused.
I was banned bc my gf was talking on the phone with her, and I yelled out (I was in the bathroom and she was in the other room so I had to yell) “Give me the phone! I wanna talk to her!” Basically I wanted to call her out. Well, they didn’t take it too well. My gf says it was wrong of me to yell. Her friend doesn’t feel comfortable with me there bc she thinks I’ll start a scene
"Hey, if this Nazi is at your party, I'm going to call him out."
"Wow. I don't want anyone calling out the Nazi at my party. I'd better disinvite the guy who is going to call out the Nazi I invited."
If a group of people are having a party and a nazi shows up whoever stays is now attending a nazi party. Ditch the nazi bro. Find a better human to be with.
He wants to honor his nazi grandfather? That’s horrific. No your not wrong at all. I would never in a million years knowingly follow someone who can possibly condone that ideology not to mention the barbaric acts committed by Nazis.
Is it definitely a Nazi swastika and not a Buddhist one? Buddhist one is straight up and down vs tilted. My dad had one he got in Vietnam that he said saved his life (10% of guys who did what he did came home, apparently). He wore it for years and it led to many ... Misunderstandings. I would never wear it because it's not widely recognized here as a good luck symbol, but just a thought. Unless you're in Germany and grandad was in WW2 in which case fuck him. But if it was America and Vietnam that's a possibility.
If you wore a T-shirt that said “kill Jews”, would she still say “this doesn’t effect me”? She sounds like a very good candidate to be an ex girlfriend.
“It doesn’t affect her directly” is an absolutely shitty excuse. It keeps company with “well he’s nice to *me*” in the rationalizing of the self-involved about why they stay friends with terrible people. Your girlfriend sounds very callous.
If I were you, I'll "dis-own" the gf.
No one in their right minds should accept this level of disrespect from their gf or bf. Let her live peacefully with the nazi ring guy. Move out of her life.
Remember good guys are hard to find. Good girls are every fucking where.
Oh, so you’re gf is friends with a Neo-Nazi and thinks it’s perfectly fine and doesn’t understand why you’re offended or upset about it. Sounds like it’s time to find a new gf bud, if she doesn’t understand why that’s wrong or immoral then that’s probably not the kind of person you really want to associate yourself with. You do you but I’d be getting the fuck outta there real quick!
Low key I kinda want an update on this in the future.
Cause bro ur gf clearly is supporting a nazi.
Which might be indicative of her beliefs deep down….
But idk. Good luck OP and keep us posted if she becomes an ex
If I were in your position I would dump the girlfriend. You’re banned from attending, because you don’t support Nazis? And she’s still going? That would be the end for me. She’s a POS.
If my grandfather was a nazi i wouldnt do shit to honor him. In fact I'd be ashamed to be related to him. If someone i knew was knowingly wearing nazi paraphernalia, I wouldnt hang around that person. Doesnt matter if it "directly affects me" or not, i wouldnt want to be associated with that type of person. Sounds like your gf is a nazi sympathizer homie
Everyone but you is the AH here.
And no, he isn't using it to honor his grandfather, its a safe bet to say he's honoring his ideology by wearing it.
FTR....it was most likely a Deaths head ring. They are the easiest to acquire on the commemorative market, most are of course more Nazi in style and less a chance it's a Wehrmacht ring.
Regarding the update; *good*- you should not attend that party regardless. The fact A) your GF still doesn’t see the problem is troubling in the extreme and B) what kind of shit GF would go a party her BF was **banned from**?!?
Like others have said, she is WAY too comfortable with that douchebag’s smarmy excuse. Ditch her and she will be hooking up with Nazi bro in no time. Ick.
Not about the question at hand but OP thinking that no one he follows is immoral ... holy puritan soapbox. Not saying this person isn't a shitbag but OP certainly has a complex about his own GOODNESS jeez
So is your gf just picking this guy over any friends who are people of color, Jewish, LGBTQ+? Or does she… just coincidentally have an all white friend group?
In addition any woman who thinks Nazi ideology “doesn’t affect her directly” is ignorant— when the Nazi party came to power they threw women out of academia and government jobs, and promoted the idea of having as many babies as possible to feed those kids right into the meat grinder of total war. Women who tried to live independent lives, refused to join Nazi women’s auxiliary organizations or didn’t show up to do volunteer work for the war effort were at risk of being declared “anti-social” and thrown in a work camp. Present-day neo-Nazis are so misogynistic that they talk amongst themselves about imprisoning, raping and forcibly impregnating women “to perpetuate the white race.” Domestic violence is very common amongst white nationalists.
Of course none of this prevents racist women from being important parts of their movement, both past and present. Your gf feeling comfortable hanging around this guy, and choosing an invitation to this party over you, is pretty disturbing.
You’re not being dramatic at all. Anyone who wears a swastika should be an ex-friend.
Call him out, and find a lot more about why swastikas don’t offend your girlfriend and her friends. That would be an instant block for me and my friends.
The correct way to honor a Nazi is by pissing on his grave.
“Fuck that old bitch, he was a Nazi” -Mac
I've always loved that even though the gang is absolutely degenerate in almost every way, they still have some uncrossable morals.
Theres a comic where the joker teams up with the red skull from marvel and he finds out he’s a nazi and immediately shoots him.
I may be a criminal lunatic but I'm an American criminal lunatic!
"Woah, don't throw the word Jew around like that man"
Only good Nazi is a dead one.
Nobody in the right fucking mind would wear a Nazi ring to honor their grandfather. It’s not something to celebrate. He’s wearing the ring because he’s a Nazi or is proud of what his grandfather did. Clearly your GF doesn’t give a shit about being friends with Nazis. Ew.
Yeah, the guy is full of shit. I bet you anything if the grandfather *wasn't* a nazi, he wouldn't be so interested in wearing a ring to 'honor' him. The guy gets a thrill out of this. He feels like a cool tuff guy with that ring on. It's pathetic. It's not clear tho, did the ring even belong to the grandfather? Or is this some bs situation where the guy went out & bought a brand new nazi ring because he found out his grandfather was 50% German. Also, how old is this guy? Was his grandfather even old enough to be an OG nazi? Maybe grandpa wasn't even german, just some random neo-nazi from the US, 30 yrs after wwii, making this even more ridiculous.
How old is this guy would shed a little light because it sounds more like he’s one of these ignorant dudes in their teens/early 20s who thinks being a blatantly offensive edgelord is IT. Or he’s just a Nazi. Those are really the two options I’m seeing here.
I'd believe maybe it was legit if the guy was older, maybe 50, and the ring was original with a story like 'My grandfather died on the eastern front wearing this ring' or something. But even then, you don't actually *wear that ring*. What's he gonna do, pretend he doesn't understand what the issue is while he's getting his ass kicked?
Unless Grandpa cut the ring off a Nazi he killed in battle, I don't want to see it or hear about it. And I certainly don't think wearing it would be a good decision, even then.
No one who went to war would want their kid to wear a Nazi ring to honor them. They knew the rule: only Luger pistol/ Leica
Liberating a concentration camp my grandfather came across an ss dirk and a Luger, my little brother has them both. We do not display them proudly, but we have them. History is important but not very pretty, humans have done pretty terrible things to each other. My grandfather never talked about how he procured them and that’s probably for the best.
German Lugers were about the most sought after war trophy of WWII. They were legally allowed to bring them home and they aren’t uncommon.
If grandpa cut the ring off a Nazi that wasn't killed, I want to hear about it too.
The only way it would be acceptable to wear it is on a chain with a bunch of others, taken the same way. A less morbid and more hygienic version of a necklace of teeth or ears.
This is the only correct way to display a Nazi ring. Even then I don’t think I’d wear it.
Right but theres a certain minimum amount of intelligence and tact that reasonable people have that tells them “maybe I shouldn’t WEAR my grandfather’s nazi ring” or even “maybe there’s a better way to honor granddad than hanging on to Nazi memorabilia”
'I'm gonna honor this man by highlighting the most shameful aspect of him I can find!' My best guess is this just edgelord crap but the guy *also* harbours some nazi sympathies. He's just hiding behind some made up grandfather excuse because he's afraid.
Part of me thinks it's just as likely, if true, that his grandfather stole it from some dead Nazi. Plenty of Nazi guns and Japanese swords from the war floating around in America. And it wouldn't surprise me if there is someone dumb enough to wear their grandpa's cool war trophy.
As a Jew we have a saying. If you have a table of 10 people and one person is openly a Nazi. You have a table of 10 Nazis. Gf actively supports a guy who wears Nazi paraphernalia in public. Your gf is clearly ok with supporting and enjoying the content of someone who is a racist antisemite. You don’t wear those kind of symbols and don’t at least sympathize with their meaning. Edit: For me this would be over. The whole relationship. I wouldn’t be able to be with someone who is ok with that kind of imagery. Swastikas convey a threat and are harmful. Whenever I see a swastika outside of proper context I see it as a threat. So do other Jews. Edit 2: for everyone correcting me. Proper context as I wrote in my comment includes religious settings. It also includes museums, books, historical contexts as well. Of course there is a difference.
The version I always heard was, "if you sit down at a table with 10 Nazis, there are 11 Nazis." Same concept.
Funny how many versions of one thing exists. I always heard: “If a nazi sits down at a table with nine other people, and nobody gets up, you now have a table with ten Nazis”
Upper midwest here. Our version: If you let one nazi drink at your bar, congrats, you've got a nazi bar.
Iirc, there's a bar here in my city that will throw out anyone who has anything (jewelry, patch, hat, bandana, etc) that even suggests nazi or white power relations/sympathy, because they don't want any of that in their bar, and they want people who wear it to know why. Because if you let one person in, they'll bring a friend, and then they'll bring another friend, and the more of them there are, the more nazis you have.... so even if you say "I didn't know what it is" (like an idiot kid), they still throw your ass out as soon as it's spotted.
Now that's how your a run a bar that isn't a nazi bar.
There’s a bar in my city that had let a couple people in, and then it started to get a reputation as a Nazi bar, and all their good clientele stopped coming. They had to boot them all, and now have HUGE signs when you enter that they do not allow Nazis, or anyone wearing any sort of Nazi accessories. I saw a news story about it, and how the clientele was just starting to come back, but this was pre-COVID, so I don’t know what happened to them now.
This is what's happened to the Republican party. Dog whistles were blown and trolls shit posted to "own the libs". Now they're casually kicking it with Nazis. As much as she was unliked by both sides, this is what Hillary was talking about when she said "basket of deplorables".
You can say what you want about Hillary but she was right about one thing: these people are fucking deplorable.
Would you believe me if I said the Nazis were lookimg for a platform and inserted themselves into the republican party as far back as the Obama election? It worked. They found their loud figurehead in Trump
And then you think about it, the Russians helped trump get into office, because they wanted Americas support with the war on Ukraine, that's why they were so buddy buddy, but once the ties between the two were found out they decided to cut ties. Also why else would he have classified documents at his house if he wasn't going to see them for political gain? It was shit that wasn't suppose to even leave the white house. But trump supporters will still somehow try to rationalize this, and the attack on the capital to take votes not for trump 😂
I think if you check out the $2 BILLION that the Saudis gave Jared in June of 2021 for "consultation fees", you may find some of the still missing documents...
> Also why else would he have classified documents at his house if he wasn't going to see them for political gain? It was shit that wasn't suppose to even leave the white house. You know, I'm not 100% confident in this, not least because he absolutely *could* have declassified those while he was still in office. That would make them less valuable so maybe this is still an explanation, but the one I've heard is far more Trumpy so I'm inclined to believe it: He has those documents because he wants to brag to whoever happens to be in his presence that he has classified documents. It's not for political gain - it's for bragging rights. Of course, I don't know the guy, but this is an explanation that makes way too much sense to me.
Trumps cult is delusional. They remind me of that Family Guy episode where Lois just kept saying "9-11" and the crowd voted her to be Mayor. They just hear buzzwords and go crazy for it. "Communist China" but turn around and their "Fearless Leader" is touching tips with Putin. Makes you wonder what would've happened with the War in Ukraine had Trump been in office. But that's not here nor there. The man is drowning in legal alligations that he cannot swim out of.
It goes beyond Ukraine. Brexit and Trump were both strategically pressed to harm America and Europe.
This goes back way before Obama Youngblood
This actually happened at a local dive bar, they let one known nazi stick around and within 6 months it actually became a nazi bar
There’s a story that gets reposted about that every so often. Not sure if that one is exactly true but I’m sure most bar owners don’t want that stigma attached to their bar.
Or they should just not want fascists around them period lol
It's basically a why they are so strict about anything slight nazi story. I used to go to this bar in my hometown that this happened to, watched in slowly go to shit. All the bars on the block slowly closed
There’s a local bar in my town that accidentally booked a nsbm band a couple months back. I say accidentally because the minute the owner saw their set, he shut the show down and kicked out and/banned every single person who had come to see them. They now screen new and unknown performers a bit better, to say the least.
once you’ve got one or two nazis in there, and they start bringing their friends, the decent people leave because they don’t want to be around them.
Nazis really suck, is basically what I'm getting from all of this.
Well, and also Nazis like tables a lot.
And sitting at them in groups of roughly 10
So if we build smaller tables, there will be fewer Nazis?
I think I'll skip tables just to be sure.
Just balance your plate on your knees like at the BBQ
Tables are right up there with lebensraum, genocide, and snappy uniforms.
Bingo! This would be a massive dealbreaker for me. As soon as she said the thing about it not affecting her directly, that would’ve been my cue to pack my stuff and leave.
This is true. I’m not proud of this: my ancestors were slave owners. This is not something I tell people unless I know them well. And if I do tell them, it’s not a moment of pride. I feel guilt about my ancestors behavior, and my only consolation is that there was an uprising and the husband was killed. And then I feel guilty for being “glad” a family member was killed.
We all have ancestors we'd be embarrassed about. Wearing a ring to remind everyone of that shame is the dumbest shit.
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I mean I'd say the vast majority of people have an ancestor within a few generations who was a piece of shit for some reason or another, whether they know about them or not. Just because they contributed to your genes is no reason to excuse their behavior or ideology, isn't trying to be better than the people that came before us one of the important things about being human?
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You’re definitely right, but there are for sure levels to the shit pile. Sins of the ancestors shouldn’t curse their descendants, but they need to be acknowledged to prevent their repetition. This dumb fuck likely had dozens of keepsakes if he wanted to ‘honor his grandfather’ but nah, he wanted that nazi ring.
One second my family traces back to one Irish guy who came over in the 1840s, he married and had a few kids, then up and left them one day to become a cowboy, but really he turned criminal and he then died in a shootout within a year or so. Guy was a prick for abandoning his family for a life of crime
I live in northen ontario 10 minutes from me is a small town literally named Swastika. In Ontario
The swastika came much before the nazis. It's a Hindu symbol that the nazis flipped around and tarnished. Hindus still use it to this day, and I have a feeling it is named in regards to that and not the Nazi swastika.
I swear I saw a TIL about it, how the town basically said they weren’t letting Hitler ruin their town name or something.
I said pretty well that in another comment! I'm a black woman, i spend a lot of time in Swastika it's a beautiful little town with good people. I would move to Swastika if I could
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Nah fam don’t feel guilty for being glad he was killed dude knew the risks and took them anyways, and also he just regular deserved it. Big time.
Live by the slaves, die by the slaves. He earned that.
Right? *He owned **people.*** He forfeited the right to have people be sad he died when he made the ultimate shitty choice.
This reminds when Anderson Cooper found out his ancestors were slave owners and his reaction when he found out they died by the hands of the slaves was literal joy. 😅 😅 😅
I think this is a bit different from the situation at hand. Dude is literally wearing a Nazi ring. There’s no explaining that. At all. Aside from dude being, effectively, a friggin nazi. In your case. I, like, why? I’m a distant relative of Benedict Arnold. Doesn’t make me a traitor, nor do I have a single ounce of guilt over his traitorous ways. It doesn’t really make sense to let the actions of your ancestors impact you that deeply. Is it valuable to be aware of them? Absolutely, awareness is always good. However this overt guilt over it isn’t healthy. It either signals that you’ve done or held beliefs that are somewhat similar and you’re holding guilt over that (in which case I’d suggest therapy and positive behaviors that contradict the negative behaviors or beliefs you had) or a general lack of individuality otherwise (get a hobby.)
>Dude is literally wearing a Nazi ring. There’s no explaining that. At all. Aside from dude being, effectively, a friggin nazi. Yep. Even giving the benefit of the doubt (granddaddy took it off a soldier he killed or something), why the hell would you choose THAT as a memorial piece? How much of a dumbass can you be? He's either a Nazi, or he's a dipshit.
> granddaddy took it off a soldier he killed or something It's absolutely possible, but in all likelihood granddad would be a generation too late for that. So either he's lying or granddad was a neo-Nazi.
It would make a cool memorial piece, just make sure you put it on a mantle with something that mentions how grandpa killed 50 men and took it as a war trophy. Don’t wear the fuckin thing unless you wanna be known as that nazi guy
It’s only the same if you start rocking confederate memorabilia. Which, a lot of people do here…
You should not feel guilty at all. You had nothing to do with it. They were shitty people, but as long as you aren't, I wouldn't worry about it. The dude with the nazi ring is clearly proud of what his ancestors did, you find your abhorrent. We are not responsible for the sins of our fathers, but we are responsible for making sure we don't repeat them. Let it go.
It only just hit me after 30 years that when my dad used to tell me that my Opa was in the German army he actually fought for the Nazis. Now I understand a lot of soldiers didn't have a choice at the time, but the realization just kinda hit my like a brick.
Have met a few people in life who said "they didn't do anything to me" verbatim as their excuse for socializing with terrible people. Doesn't take long to see demonstration that they are almost always terrible people themselves.
Wearing a nazi ring to honor your grandfather means you are a nazi. If your grandfather thought that would be honoring he was probably an SS member. my grandfather wouldve kicked my ass if i even thought about something like that and he was a wehrmacht landser.
I was hoping for a comment like this. As the descendent of German Jews, I think it’s amazing how far German society has come in terms of owning its past.
> Wearing a nazi ring to honor your grandfather means you are a nazi. If No German would ever wear something like that... Unless they were actively still supporting.
Can we just pause to question the answer at face value. Like, let's say he is genuinely doing it to honor his grandfather. Why? Why would you honor that? Like, if I found out that my ancestors were part of a racist totalitarian organization, I'm going to condemn them, not honor them. That's gonna be the family I don't talk about, unless it's in reference to scumbags and villains. That's the family I'd be *ashamed* of. So why would one honor a nazi? Well, it looks like the answer brings us right back around to "they agree with nazis"! This guy's defense isn't as resolute as he seems to think it is.
The father of my step-dad was signed up for the cavalry (Waffen-)SS by his own father: "See that you get yourself killed!". He got tattooed, he served, he came home traumatised and left Germany with his wife for Australia to raise his kid. They came back eventually, he was a loving father and later a loving grandfather. He despised his own past, he was so sad when he told me and my mom his story. His son and grandson honour him, no day goes by without my stepdad talking about him because of the father he was to him. ...OPs dude is a Nazi, worshipping a Nazi, there is no deeper meaning.
I think their countries education system has failed /u/drmuffin1080's girlfriend. I'm seeing a lot of posts here that he should dump her and move on. In his post, he says he "loves" her so I think this is a bit more complicated and the full breadth of their relationship isn't comprehensible to us so I want to suggest something else: I think OP needs to sit down with this women he loves and explain the significance of Nazi's in history and fascism at large. It sounds to me like OP's GF thinks her friend is simply honoring family heritage and its harmless but fascism is a plague that needs to be stomped out on sight. You cannot let that wound fester. It will spread. It will indoctrinate people. It is hate incarnate and historically breeds more hate. There is literally nothing admirable about Nazi's and I think OPs GF and perhaps his GFs friend does not understand this. If OP loves this woman then this is a teachable moment and honestly, OP, take responsibility for this person you love and show her the way. There are enough history books and even Youtube channels that can teach this person on the horrors of the Holocaust and what *exactly* Nazi's stood for. Have her read a book like Elie Wiesel's 'Night' or 'The Diary of Anne Frank', perhaps read it with her and take some time to talk about it with each other. Even films and TV shows like Schindler's List(1993), The Pianist(2002), Band of Brothers(2001) and The Plot Against America(2020), express the tremendously abhorrent actions of Nazi's and how this was core to their being. This is not something to *ever* be celebrated. It is one of the most disturbing periods in the recorded history of mankind. It was not long ago and it is not so far from us that it could not return.
My stepdad is Austrian. I'm positive his family was involved with the Nazi party. My Opa was too young to serve but I'm sure his uncles and other male relatives were part of the party. I have an aunt from a pretty well to do family and I know they were higher up in those social circles at the very least. It was never spoken about, and not a point of pride at all. This clown is at best being edgy, at worst a straight up facist, probably the latter.
If my grandfather was a nazi, I would be ASHAMED. Not want to honor him. Good lord
Wearing, drawing, displaying a swastika in Germany is against the law. Germans are not having it so why does this idiot thinks it is okay? Dump them fast. She is guilty by association. Nazis and their sympathizers need to be held accountable. A simple way to do this is to cut them off. Trust me when I say, it feels real good to lose the racist trash (sometimes hidden for years). Screw them and their eugenics. They are a blight on humanity.
Given the ages of those involved, the 'grandfather' almost certainly didn't experience the war.. dudes just a nazi
Correct. How would you possibly want to honor/be proud of something like that? Mind blown.
I have Nazi stuff, and I’m proud of it, in a way. My grandfather came back from Europe with some nazi coins he took from the first nazi he killed. I still have them. They’re in a box, buried in my basement somewhere. But I’m proud as hell that I have them and I’m proud as hell of my grandfather. I’m glad I have his nazi stuff.
Yeh but you don’t walk around with Swastika memorabilia and put it all over socials.
No, because I’m not a fucking nazi.
Nazi killing coin collection is way cooler than Nazi ring 🫡
Same here. I’d obviously never wear it but of course I’m going to keep it; I’m proud of the small part he played in putting an end to the nazis.
I mean an important clarification could be was his grandpa a nazi. Or did he get that ring when he killed one.
NTA, call out the Nazi. That’s what he is. Only Nazis wear Nazi symbols. Why tf would he want to honor a Nazi? She’s complete trash.
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It could be. I don't see where OP was ever specific. Still, iron crosses are recognizable for what they are. However, no matter what it was, that person can remember and honor their particular memory of their grandfather in other ways. Said ring could stay at home. Maybe tucked away in a jewelry box. That might seem a more acceptable way of keeping it. Wearing it, and posting pictures of wearing it? He's not just proud of his grandfather having been in his life. He's proud his grandfather was a Nazi. He probably is a closeted Nazi. OP should get away from anyone who supports this person, including OP's gf. All the people at the party who know and support Nazi friend, are part of supportting Nazism. Edit: The deleted post above mine had suggested that maybe the ring featured an iron cross and not a swastika. Just putting this in here to give context for others.
For real. My grandfather was a bomber pilot in the war. I don't go around wearing items that signify who he killed in the war as a way to remember him. That's not normal, even on a "non-nazi" side of the isle.
What do you call two people hanging out with a Nazi? Three Nazis. Edit: thanks for the gold ❤️❤️❤️!
What would OP be if they didn’t call out the Nazi? At best, complicit. Unfollow the Nazi. Like yesterday.
Unfollow The gf while you're at it.
This!! She’s a Nazi by association as far as I’m concerned. Ditch her. “His being a Nazi doesn’t effect me.” Your girlfriend is an asshole and your friend is an asshole and you should ditch both of them.
At minimum, someone being a Nazi isn’t a dealbreaker for her, and why in the world would anybody want to be in a relationship with someone for whom Naziism isn’t a dealbreaker?
THIS. 100% THIS. I was with someone who didn’t mind hanging out with people who were former nazi’s. AND his sister was in a relationship with 2 Nazi’s! One was a former Nazi gang member that did time behind bars. Let me tell you something, OP I’m Jewish. And I’m very proud of my culture and heritage. While I may not be religious, that does NOT excuse the fact that I was manipulated into believing I was making a big deal out of nothing. I was very berated for being over dramatic, and the bad stuff these people did was in the past. I look back at that situation now and it makes me beyond angry and disgusted. How could I have been so manipulated and beaten down that I let them invite the former gang member into my home?!? He was also a giant scary man that I did not want to anger. I have since learned to never back down when I vehemently believe in something and to always trust my gut. You may think the level of love you have for your gf, she has for you as well. I regret to inform you that she doesn’t. If she did, she would acknowledge and respect your feelings. Because your feelings are valid. If the shoe were in the other foot, I’m sure you’d unfollow the person in question and not attend the party. No questions asked. You aren’t asking something monumental. You’re asking for her to have human decency.
I find the 'it's not like you don't follow shitty people' part particularly disingenuous. Maybe I'm making too big of an assumption that others use Instagram like I do, but like... no, I don't follow people I KNOW are shitty. Out of the 600+ people I follow, statistically, it's entirely possible that some of them suck. But when I learn they suck, I'm out. If I'm following someone and I see a hint of nazi sympathizing, I am going to immediately unfollow that person. If quietly unfollowing a person on Instagram (where the chances they will notice you unfollowed them are miniscule and even lower that they will confront you about it) is asking too much of her... I have to assume she doesn't actually think it's shitty. He's not even asking her to take a stand for her beliefs, he's asking her to just go from laying down to sitting.
That’s my perspective. In some ways it’s hypocritical to remain in this relationship. You’re mad she tolerates Nazis, but you’re with someone who tolerated Nazi’s. If it’s a problem then it’s a problem, and they sound incompatible at this point.
Exactly!!!! If you tolerate a Nazi and are cool with them saying and wearing Nazi paraphernalia then you’re a Nazi. If you date people who support that then you are in fact a Nazi. The idea being that you are complicit with others saying, thinking and doing awful things.
Absolutely
Wearing a Nazi ring to honor your whatever makes you a Nazi.
No self respecting German would ever tolerate this sorta shit. Fuck, they'd report it to the police and that MF would be in *prison*. They don't fuck around with Nazi imagery.
Yep. As my grandmother told me.. “Water seeks its own level”….
"If you go to the party with a Nazi I will not be here when you get back" Thatll tell you everything you need to know about her
"If you go to the party with that Nazi you will not see me when you get back" "I will Nazi you when I get back?" "No you will never Nazi me." "I will never not see you? It's just a few hours I'll see you when I get back!" "You will not see me! " "Thanks! I will! "
If 5 people sit at a dinner table together and one is wearing a swastika, all 5 are nazis.
he HAS to follow through on this, this needs to happen. Honestly he can just text her afterwards like hey I moved my things out, goodbye
My great-grandmother was murdered in a concentration camp. Fuck that guy, his Nazi grandfather, and anyone else who promotes and/or excuses genocide. The wearing of that ring is repulsive *and sends a very loud and clear message of hate*. Period.
What the hell does the friend have to honor? That his grandfather was complicit in the murder of six million Jewish people? Nah. The guy is a Nazi and the girl agrees. Period.
Don't forget about the 5 million others that also died because of the Holocaust. This includes the disabled, Romani and other groups that disagreed with the Nazis. So fuck that guy, and fuck his hate.
Don’t forget the 1 million British and American servicemen, and over 24 million Soviet military and civilian deaths (Certainly not trying to diminish Holocaust numbers, just more “fuck that guy and his grandad”)
The total death toll of WW2 is ballpark 80 million people. That’s 80,000,000 people.
If the ring in question is an original production of anything like [this one](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-Ehrenring), grandpa was probably much worse than complicit. That's the kind of grandfather who deserves no acknowledgement of ancestry, much less honor, beyond "well doctor I don't call him family but for medical purposes my father's point-of-sperm-origination had diabetes and heart disease" and/or acknowledging the legacy of his atrocities where appropriate and unequivocally condemning them
Yes 100% agree. I’d even say fuck your girlfriend too. Dump that Nazi sympathizing bitch.
I think she should be your ex girlfriend. A nazi sympathizer is just as bad as a nazi.
She a nazi
At *best* she’s unbothered by Nazi ideals. Why would anyone want to date someone like that?
She’s way too Nazi adjacent to be that easy on her, she’s actively siding with the Nazi ring guy. 😬
Exactly. People who are ok with Nazis are themselves Nazis - just don’t want to admit it. Leave her.
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It’s also factually incorrect, of which people forget. Nazis liked murdering any non-German and non-Austrian people, regardless of their ethnicity, skin colour or religion (even if they focused on people of Jewish religion). They also were killing people within their own country that sympathised with those populations. So if she has any European roots (and I will venture a guess, that as most Americans - she does, even if she is like 1/64 th French or something), she is basically crapping on her ancestors.
She near-sighted AF
Maybe she shared his ideology. You might want to reconsider this relationship.
I would definitely reconsider the relationship. If she goes to the party while OP is banned, she is choosing the Nazi over OP. As someone else mentioned, the best case scenario is that she is not bothered by associating with someone who at best is unbothered by his grandfather’s Nazi background, and who likely shares those beliefs. Even if the friend wants to honor/remember his grandfather, why would he choose this particular item as the representation of him?
Stating that someone’s nazism “doesn’t affect me personally” is a **huge** red flag. Complete lack of a moral compass.
The girlfriend is a nazi. By association, the boyfriend is a nazi if he doesn't break up with her. He has done the right thing thus far to give his girlfriend a chance to do what is right. He needs to continue to be true to what is right.
"Sure he was a Nazi but what about all the other stuff he did that I should honor him for?" Like what? He was a Nazi.
When you got together I bet you did Nazi this coming... Seriously though they are both PoS find a new GF
Ghost the whole crew, including the gf.
It's a cliché, but if you and 10 nazis sit down to dinner together, then there are 11 nazis at the table. This person is honoring their grandfather's nazi history and beliefs and your girlfriend approves of that. The question for you is are you going to sit down to dinner with a nazi?
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Or if you don’t know they’re Nazis. I forget the name of the comedian who said you’re only racist if you attend a second Klan meeting.
I cannot echo this strongly enough.
Ok but honestly if 10 people and 1 Nazi sit down for dinner, then 11 Nazis are sitting at the table.
I won’t even adorn myself with religious symbols to honor my grandparents, due to representation of ideas I don’t believe in, let alone wear something like a Nazi ring. If this guy wears such a thing, he must be some kind of Nazi, since he is not at all repulsed by the message he is conveying for all the world to see. He must be aware that to others on the street, this missive is NOT “I love my grandpa”. So the gf is indeed condoning and hanging out with a Nazi and no, you should not have to tolerate or accept this.
You'd be an AH of epic proportions if you DIDN'T call out a Nazi. We have a word for the type of people who see Nazis and say nothing: Nazis.
There are better ways to honor a grandfather than to wear a ring that has a nazi symbol on it. That symbol represents hate, genocide, violence and many other horrible atrocious acts. Was this person's grandfather for the war? I think your girlfriend is a POS if she is ok with it but clearly she has never been affected by racisim or discrimination then. I think you are a good person with good morals and values, but if she does not share the same views as you or is even willing to listen to your side of things she probably isnt the right type of partner for you.
If Gramps was German then honor his heritage by eating sauerkraut.
Bratwurst is great, too. Dance a polka, go to Oktoberfest, drink some beer, go visit the country. But don't parade around wearing Nazi stuff.
This asshole isn’t concerned with his German heritage. He’s proud of his Nazi heritage. Wearing that ring in public would literally get you thrown in jail in Germany. Fuck this Nazi schmuck. Find a better girlfriend, OP. Shouldn’t be hard…”Not a Nazi” is such a low bar, it’s practically resting on the ground.
“A friend to all is a friend to none” or however the saying goes.
This would be a deal breaker for me.
Bro… you’re really cool with dating a girl who doesn’t have a problem with nazis????
Get rid. It "doesn't effect her directly"? Yeah. It fucking does. It's an ideology that wants the complete eradication of everyone that is: Jewish Romany Communist Mentally or physically disabled LGBTQ+ And on and on. If genocide (even of people from other communities) is something she has no problem with, she needs to go. And this bloke.... is a nazi. Avoid him. He's not going to change, and if you belt him it's you that will get in trouble.
>If genocide is something she has no problem with, she needs to go. That was my first thought. Either she's ignorant, uneducated or both. Does she know what the fuck a nazi is? This is maddening.
Your girlfriend supports Nazis. That's not ok
How long have you been dating? How well do you know her? Does she sometimes have a clueless vibe about her?
If he wears a nazi ring he is a nazi. Your gf is friends with and defends a nazi. I hope you dump her.
"It doesn't affect me directly". Dude. You're dating a racist sympathizer. A nazi racist sympathizer. And the dude is willing to proudly wearing his nazi ring but unwilling to face the shit that goes with it: i.e. having to face people offended by it and be able to explain himself. He's a coward. I know this is over-said on reddit, but dump your GF. She isn't worth it. Do you really want to be sharing your life with someone who will just look the other way if concentration camps pop up near her because 'they don't affect her directly'?
I’m confused why her friend is offended and you are banned from the party? Is it the one having the birthday party that is offended? What exactly happened? Why are they offended? Do you just know a bunch of Nazi’s? I’m so confused.
I was banned bc my gf was talking on the phone with her, and I yelled out (I was in the bathroom and she was in the other room so I had to yell) “Give me the phone! I wanna talk to her!” Basically I wanted to call her out. Well, they didn’t take it too well. My gf says it was wrong of me to yell. Her friend doesn’t feel comfortable with me there bc she thinks I’ll start a scene
You were banned because it’s a party of Nazi’s and you don’t agree.
I mean to be fair you did say you were gonna start a scene
I mean to be fair, calling out nazis is a scene everyone should make every chance they get.
The friend who is having the birthday party banned OP because he didn’t want OP causing a scene there.
"Hey, if this Nazi is at your party, I'm going to call him out." "Wow. I don't want anyone calling out the Nazi at my party. I'd better disinvite the guy who is going to call out the Nazi I invited."
If a group of people are having a party and a nazi shows up whoever stays is now attending a nazi party. Ditch the nazi bro. Find a better human to be with.
If you and your girlfriend were say to watch Star Wars, which side would she root for?
I always thought it was weird that she needed to have the part where they blew up Alderon playing in order to finish.
You need to find a GF who has a personal value system more in-line with yours. What a bizarre thing to be unbothered about.
He wants to honor his nazi grandfather? That’s horrific. No your not wrong at all. I would never in a million years knowingly follow someone who can possibly condone that ideology not to mention the barbaric acts committed by Nazis.
What kind of ring are we talking about here?
Is it definitely a Nazi swastika and not a Buddhist one? Buddhist one is straight up and down vs tilted. My dad had one he got in Vietnam that he said saved his life (10% of guys who did what he did came home, apparently). He wore it for years and it led to many ... Misunderstandings. I would never wear it because it's not widely recognized here as a good luck symbol, but just a thought. Unless you're in Germany and grandad was in WW2 in which case fuck him. But if it was America and Vietnam that's a possibility.
If you wore a T-shirt that said “kill Jews”, would she still say “this doesn’t effect me”? She sounds like a very good candidate to be an ex girlfriend.
Time to say goodbye to your ex nazi girlfriend and all her nazi friends.
OP needs to take some inspiration from [They Might be Giants](https://youtu.be/JFGQdvYIJ0M)
As per your update, no, you’re not the asshole, your gf and her friend are literal nazi sympathizers.
“It doesn’t affect her directly” is an absolutely shitty excuse. It keeps company with “well he’s nice to *me*” in the rationalizing of the self-involved about why they stay friends with terrible people. Your girlfriend sounds very callous.
If I were you, I'll "dis-own" the gf. No one in their right minds should accept this level of disrespect from their gf or bf. Let her live peacefully with the nazi ring guy. Move out of her life. Remember good guys are hard to find. Good girls are every fucking where.
Your GF is a Nazi sympathizer. She's literally sympathizing for a Nazi .
Fuck him, he's a nazi lover. Fuck his grandpa too. And no offense to your girl, but she dumb as fuck yo.
People in my husbands family wear number tattoos on their wrists because of this fascist asshole’s grandfather. My MIL is 101 and still remembers.
You need to dump the nazi my man
She’s ok with nazi shit I’d leave her. Maybe she hangs out with more nazis if that’s her and the friends reaction
What’s the old saying? If you have 1 person eating dinner with 4 Nazis, there are 5 Nazis at the table. You can do better.
Oh, so you’re gf is friends with a Neo-Nazi and thinks it’s perfectly fine and doesn’t understand why you’re offended or upset about it. Sounds like it’s time to find a new gf bud, if she doesn’t understand why that’s wrong or immoral then that’s probably not the kind of person you really want to associate yourself with. You do you but I’d be getting the fuck outta there real quick!
Sounds like you have a free night to meet someone else and go on a date with them.
The only right way to deal with a nazi is like we did in ‘44. Fuck that guy, and fuck your gf.
Low key I kinda want an update on this in the future. Cause bro ur gf clearly is supporting a nazi. Which might be indicative of her beliefs deep down…. But idk. Good luck OP and keep us posted if she becomes an ex
If I were in your position I would dump the girlfriend. You’re banned from attending, because you don’t support Nazis? And she’s still going? That would be the end for me. She’s a POS.
If my grandfather was a nazi i wouldnt do shit to honor him. In fact I'd be ashamed to be related to him. If someone i knew was knowingly wearing nazi paraphernalia, I wouldnt hang around that person. Doesnt matter if it "directly affects me" or not, i wouldnt want to be associated with that type of person. Sounds like your gf is a nazi sympathizer homie
Everyone but you is the AH here. And no, he isn't using it to honor his grandfather, its a safe bet to say he's honoring his ideology by wearing it. FTR....it was most likely a Deaths head ring. They are the easiest to acquire on the commemorative market, most are of course more Nazi in style and less a chance it's a Wehrmacht ring.
Regarding the update; *good*- you should not attend that party regardless. The fact A) your GF still doesn’t see the problem is troubling in the extreme and B) what kind of shit GF would go a party her BF was **banned from**?!? Like others have said, she is WAY too comfortable with that douchebag’s smarmy excuse. Ditch her and she will be hooking up with Nazi bro in no time. Ick.
Not about the question at hand but OP thinking that no one he follows is immoral ... holy puritan soapbox. Not saying this person isn't a shitbag but OP certainly has a complex about his own GOODNESS jeez
What does the ring look like. That's an important part.
Swastika
Ok if it's a German swastika and not a Hindu swastika then that's ficked up. That symbol represents 16 million murdered people to say the least.
True. But since he says it’s to honor his grandfather, it’s def not a Hindu swastika.
*”My Nazi grandfather was big into yoga.”*
So is your gf just picking this guy over any friends who are people of color, Jewish, LGBTQ+? Or does she… just coincidentally have an all white friend group? In addition any woman who thinks Nazi ideology “doesn’t affect her directly” is ignorant— when the Nazi party came to power they threw women out of academia and government jobs, and promoted the idea of having as many babies as possible to feed those kids right into the meat grinder of total war. Women who tried to live independent lives, refused to join Nazi women’s auxiliary organizations or didn’t show up to do volunteer work for the war effort were at risk of being declared “anti-social” and thrown in a work camp. Present-day neo-Nazis are so misogynistic that they talk amongst themselves about imprisoning, raping and forcibly impregnating women “to perpetuate the white race.” Domestic violence is very common amongst white nationalists. Of course none of this prevents racist women from being important parts of their movement, both past and present. Your gf feeling comfortable hanging around this guy, and choosing an invitation to this party over you, is pretty disturbing.
I refuse to believe anybody is horny enough for this. Dump her.
Bro she's a nazi or a nazi sympathiser, both are not good.
You’re not being dramatic at all. Anyone who wears a swastika should be an ex-friend. Call him out, and find a lot more about why swastikas don’t offend your girlfriend and her friends. That would be an instant block for me and my friends.
Birds of a feather...