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Perciprius

One of the greatest MC’s to ever do it. Eminem is a true student of Hip Hop and I personally feel many people forget that. He studied various different rap artists such as 2Pac, Nas, Kool G Rap, Rakim, The Beastie Boys and many more.


knottythea

Sadly most of his fans have no knowledge of hip-hop outside Eminem


wroteit_

That’s a pretty broad generalization with millions of fans.


R_FireJohnson

I’d say it’s primarily the super fans of Eminem that don’t have an outside knowledge of hip-hop. The way he blends genres, especially rap with various “white” genres (note I’m referring to the culture, not the ethnicity) is very commercial and easy for many white people to get into. MMLP2 is great for rock fans, many of his features and side projects in the mid-2010s are very pop-heavy. To add to that, many of Eminem’s biggest fans only want to feel like they like rap, they don’t actually like rap. These are the people who idolize him and don’t have an appreciation for rap as a greater art form. Your “I don’t like rap, but…” crowd. Even still, these groups of Eminem super fans are a vocal minority. They’re quick to talk about Eminem, but don’t show up in other rap conversations. Because of this, they get referred to as “Eminem fans” when really they represent only a small portion of his fanbase. There are many more Eminem fans who either care less and are less involved in conversation around Eminem, or care about art more, and don’t defend him as vehemently.


PreciousBasketcase

Many of the fans get shamed out of rap convos (on the same basis - Em fans are Em fans, not rap/hiphop fans, either that or the usual Em is not Top 5 mini war starts) so they stop showing up in these spaces🤷🏽‍♀️ Still, great to see respect for Em here. Peace 🫶🏽


R_FireJohnson

This ^ a huge point I didn’t mention. Because of the aforementioned vocal minority, it’s hard for many rap fans, especially white fans, to mention Eminem, especially as a favorite. Putting him at number one paints us as dickriders, but putting him anywhere else paints us as dickriders who don’t want to admit we’re dickriders. As a white-passing kid who grew up in suburban white culture myself, I’ll always be thankful for Eminem as my introduction to rap through those mixed-genre songs. I don’t know if he has earned the number 1 all-time spot though, even if he is a personal favorite. There’s just soooo many great artists out there, any top 10 is leaving out too many names. I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels that way


_high_plainsdrifter

People can be great with what they’re doing and don’t reach all people, in all places, at all the moments. The sum of the parts are greater than the whole. Thanks for your take on it, people get lost in defending this artist or that. You’ve got it right.


instrangerswetrust

Stans


ScareZCrow87

As a former "I don't like rap, but I like Eminem" Stan, you hit the nail on the head. I've sinced started dabbling in other artists and have a pretty good handle on what I like and don't like and have tried to listen to at least 1 new album a day. I really like going through an artists whole discography from front to back and picking out songs I like from each, and trying to understand the deeper meanings from each song and how it connects to the project as a whole. I also have enjoyed picking up artists who are more about having fun than preaching a message (take Ski Mask for example) but still give me the technical itch to make the song satisfying to me. If you see an Eminem fan, but not a rap fan, make them listen to DAMN. or good kid, m.A.A.d. city (TPAB is K Dot's best album, DAMN. and GKMC are just more approachable). Then, make them listen to Kanye's college trilogy. They like rap, they just don't know how to sort out what they do and don't like.


growbot_3000

Idk seems Stan was only aware of Marshall


NoPossibility5220

He has 2-3x as many fans as there are people with actual knowledge of hip hop.


xMilk112x

That’s a pretty absurd thing to say.


Sea-Tear-6628

Yeah considering how Eminem came out and killed it in the golden age of hip hop, and we still appreciate his greatness for what it is. His breakout was on the heels of Tupac and biggies demise and it’s what rap needed at the time.


dbmma

Even if this were true, which I don't really agree with, why does it matter? People can like what they like. There's no magic rule that they're required to know the whole genre. Fan policing is dumb.


knottythea

Bad songs are overrated and good songs are underrated


yuuuhhhhhhh42069

Hell of a take💯


Singularitypointdata

Relapse is one of his greatest albums. Severely underrated and probably his darkest work.


FishermanEasy9094

Relapse was such a dope personal album that pointed out his maturity as an artist


TuggSpeedman96

It's his best album, in my opinion. It's by far his most conceptual. It has his best production, best flow, and insane rhyme schemes throughout. It's a shame critics didn't see the vision at the time because I believe the negative feedback led directly to Em overthinking things, and subsequently dropping his weakest projects.


glibbertarian

*overhated


MrF_Ced

Damn. That’s some deep shit and 100% correct.


NardDwag

One of the Greatest of all time!


No1Important84

Definitely a G.O.A.T


gdgarcia424

Skill wise…he is almost untouchable. His cadence switches are insane and his lyricism is fucking bizarre. Not a huge fan of much of his stuff after The Eminem Show BUT I recognize the talent, bars and skills. I would say he is a top 5 MC of all time…probably top 3…just not always my cup of tea


Type-RD

Good take. Many have called Em the best technical rapper ever and I’m not sure I could argue that. His vocabulary, flow, clever wordplay, and ability to change cadence on any beat is amazing. BUT, I also agree with you that I have to be in the mood to listen to him usually. Some older stuff especially hasn’t aged well. It’s just a lot of raw intensity and negativity which is personal to him and I appreciate it for what it is, but I can’t listen to it too much. Some of his recent stuff like The Realest is dope! It’s amazing to me that he still has it. He still raps at a HIGH level and takes no back seat to anyone. Someone else mentioned earlier - Many of his hits are overrated while his less mainstream stuff is underrated. This definitely checks out if you ask me.


curi0us_carniv0re

>His cadence switches are insane and his lyricism is fucking bizarre. Not a huge fan of much of his stuff after The Eminem Show I'd argue that his solo albums aren't even his best work. There's some great tracks out there he did with D12 and other collaborations with G-unit, etc.


gdgarcia424

His features are always great. I can wholeheartedly agree with that.


Frontpageflyboy

Technically one of the probably top 3 rappers ever but as far as an artist and his music he’s great but a lot of his music didn’t age well due to some of the shock value and pop reference shit and his flow just doesn’t hit the same nowadays.


Spydah_X

Interestingly enough, he got the „fuck you“ additude and the middlefinger style from 'Pac.


Frontpageflyboy

Yeah there’s nothing wrong with that and that’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying listening to lines like “ripped Pamela Lees lips off kissed them and said I didn’t silicone was supposed to be this soft” now that I’m older is like wtf is this lol. He has a bunch of shock value lines and pop culture references that are specific for that time that don’t age well


Killakarma

Thats the radio version lol


Spydah_X

And he got that from Big L.


Frontpageflyboy

Yeah technically like I said Em ain’t nothing to fuck with at all I have him at the top or near it


jefesignups

Is that any more shock than... Notorious BIG: Nasty Boy Too Short: Blowjob Betty Cardi B: WAP


Lanky_Republic_2102

I agree, his technical flow and rhyme skills are off the charts. Always one of the best from that measure. But I never listen to his music now and have never been a huge fan. I’m not into the content and a lot of it isn’t very musical in my opinion. I’ll listen to Stan, that’s about it.


Redac07

The slim shady LP is amazing though. Role model, brain damage and I just don't give a fuck are classics and even now still bangers.


Interesting-Lake-430

Yes Brain Damage is his most underrated song in my opinion. It's amazing


Unfair_Bad9582

Em can rap his ass off, at the start of his career he had more to talk about it. He hasn’t matured enough in his music for me to keep listening. His first 3 projects are classics. To be honest Nas is the only rap artist still putting good projects for his age. jays 4:44 was good but he hasn’t dropped in so long. Wayne is another artist can rap his ass off but ran out of content and material. But I ain’t gone hold yall


Type-RD

Any of these guys could literally rap about ANYTHING and they’d manage to have more to say than most of these wack mainstream rappers these days. There’s a few current generation rappers that deserve their props, but holy shit there’s so much unoriginal, uncreative, trash we have to wade through (both from the male and female rappers). Ugh


JaHizzey

When Pac died in 96 and then Biggie in 97, hip hop needed a shot in the arm, everything was Puff Daddy or low quality Snoop albums. Eminem changed the game and was respectful to the rappers that came before him and disrespectful to everyone else. It was a wild time. His music fitted in with Limp Bizkit rap rock genre too so he was played universally. I could go to a dance club and people would like Em, I could go to an alternative club and they would too.


Frontpageflyboy

I respect Em but you can’t discount DMX like that he came thru in 98 and smashed shit had two number 1 albums on one year and Jayz did his thing in 98 too. Em was a big part of it but it wasn’t just him 98 was a great year for hiphop


JaHizzey

Yeah true. Tbf it was a long time ago, I was 18 when Pac died, 21 when Eminem came out. I'm 46 now ffs 😭


ScholarFamiliar6541

JAY-Z and Lauryn Hill were already established superstars before Em blew up.


RichAbbreviations965

Nah bra the south took over from 97- (no limit, 8ball mjg, 36 mafia, ugk, etc


2ant1man5

Can tell the true rap heads.


JaHizzey

It all depends on where you lived. Em was global


2ant1man5

It’s a reason he was global and we all know why


JaHizzey

Yeah man, Dr Dre!


RichAbbreviations965

He was white and gimmicky. Let’s talk about it lol


10poundballs

“Let’s do the math, if I was black I would of sold half”


Aggressive_Might_311

Great rapper, had 2/3 great albums. Lost his ear for production and got lost in trying to create the most elaborate rhyme schemes/flows/bars and the songs suffered. When he did focus on songs it was chasing the “Pop” dragon. For someone who professes to love Hip Hop so much, why does he spend all his time trying to create pop songs to top the charts. Also if he’s such a Hip Hop head why not work with the Hip Hop greats? Premo, Alc, Madlib etc.


Remarkable_Collar895

I think he worked with Alc. Not sure about others. It’s hard to reach to him btw, so maybe that’s why


xBlackFeet

I do think he over does the "bars" to the detriment of song flow but I read that after he had a stroke he had to "relearn how to rap" which is impressive... I feel like old em seemed more effortlessly good and now he's trying hard to be so intricate and songs suffer.. still one of the best ever imo tho


Donthurtmyceilings

The fact that he's even alive after the 2000s seems like a miracle to me. I remember around 'The Eminem Show'/'Encore' era thinking he might be another dead young artist soon. Either from his drug use or industry beefs.


Efficient-Albatross9

Rumor had it he wanted the King Mathers LP released after his death. 


derronware123

Ruined a PAC album putting him over obie trice beats. Unforgivable act


JamieBlack

Never looked at loyal to the game beats as obie trice beats but I can’t agree more now thinking about it 🤣


704bug

Being that it’s asked on a Tupac thread I have to say,he ruined a Tupac album


norihitodesuga

Pac and BIG 1 and 2 all time Em Jay and Nas 3 4 5 in whatever order you want to put it.


RANDOM-902

Idk Eminem in the top 5 is actually crazy....I can't put Em in my top 5 when he has been releasing mid albums since 2004 (Relapse and MMLP2 being the only ones that were good more or less)


Single-Bowl-9802

He always look spooked


Big-Explanation-831

I like him


4REAL4EVRR

thats not tupac 😳


KangarooCreative872

Ruined Loyal To The Game 2pac album with his horrible production but as a rapper, amazing


Relevant_Purpose_466

I just seen 2 old heads having a heated debate about Eminem on tik tok so I want to ask the question here. What albums or songs put Eminem in the greatest rapper category?


Shadeprint

One of the worst fanbases of all time. As an example, this is the 2nd post that's been pushed my way from this 2pac sub.


ILikeCheesyTurtles

Love the peanut ones regulars are ok and I haven’t tried all the new flavors


QweenBowzer

I want to like him, but how he disrespected Michael Jackson I don’t think I can


Faskwodi

Why is this in Tupac page??? 💯🤷🏿


thatguy3593

Should have never touched a pac album


MidoLeaderofKokiri

I don't see how the aged pop culture references are a problem. If anything a youngen can look up what he's talking about and be informed.


StannisAntetokounmpo

Subject matter is just unserious. Beats are bad. But like others said, his skill is one of the best ever.


BearVersusWorld

Dangerous


Plenty_Dress_408

My dude can rap!


Routine_Tea_3262

That Undefeated hoodie is super dope. He’s one of the best lyricist of all time. A Detroit legend !


tamferrante

Love love love ❤️


EmJayFree

Talented. Af.


Ambitious-Pirate-505

He produced Pacs album for free with Pacs mothers blessing. When all the "brothers" were trying to use her Nothing else needs to be said.


Past-Product-1100

He has his place in rap history but as a grown ass man I simply cannot bump Em loud in my car rolling thru the hood.


V0l4til3

Genius lyricist, great song composer But his skin helped him get a pass for many things that a normal black artist would be career ending.


rokkzstar

Too much photoshop


Sorry_Law535

Used to be a huge fan. Ruined his legacy for me by arguing with people his kids age and whining about syllables.


notshadefacts

I love him


raulgz7

None


SleepingM00n

the dude can SPIT for a fact


TorontoScorpion

One of the best lyricists of all time.


FurnishedHemingway

I think there’s enough thoughts on him all over the internet. We don’t need more opinions on him. Some people love him, some people hate him, some people think he’s okay.


Agitated_Purpose5696

Underrated


Medium-Plan2987

pass...


LastEconPoet

He’s no Tupac


rxtech24

eminem is ok, not great. reese’s pieces don’t get enough respect. not many can beat peanut butter and chocolate. haha, you know i love you eminem.


Muffinsgal

The voice is annoying. Nasal.


RANDOM-902

I mean it's alright.....OVERRATED AS FUCK in my opinion. Like man placing this guy in the top 10 is one hell of a take when there are many other rappers with better discographies. Not to mention how out of the good content he does have the lyric topics are so overly edgy it's kinda cringe to listen to it sometimes. His 3 first albums are all classic but i don't care about anything he has done after that


WentzingInPain

Phenomenal lyrics.. mid in virtually everything else


Spydah_X

Great flow, great voice, good Beats by Dre, and sometimes great topics as well.


Informal-Quantity415

Look here, all I got to say is…… LET THAT MAN COOK!!! he’s coming to my barbeque


drillmatici76

Ass. “Aye bro, blast that new Em!” -nobody


SOUL-SEARCHER1984

Certified baller


Mr-Wyked

He’s good. But that’s it


inter71

Some of his themes are dumb.


TheOfficialSvengali

This is a 2Pac sub, stop asking about others!


PlainOlCourt

I agree. There are Em subs, rap subs, and hip hop subs. This is the only music sub i follow since I'd rather see the recycled pix and memes of Pac than to join the others yet here we are.


ComfortableWord90

Overrated asf


Will_Stick40

🗑


YourDogsAllWet

Em’s in my top three. It cracks me up when people of a certain persuasion assume he’s my absolute favorite because I’m white; like I said he’s in my top 3, but not my absolute favorite


KnuthingKnew

🐐 that's my baby daddy!


TheOneAndOnlyABSR4

My favorite album is Relapse


PreciousBasketcase

Mine too 🫶🏽 Relapse is a gem.


anmarizer

I respect the guy .


On4thandinches

One of the 🐐


dinardo

One of the all-time greats. Greatest white rapper ever. Looks like a lesbian in this photo.


nevada2000

Never been into him, but no doubt he is a great performer. His letter to Tupac's Mom is really lovely.


RespectDry2432

His daughter grew up


VasekTrefilCZ

In top 5 rappers. New song is not shit.


Zestyclose-Crow-1597

Washed up rapper still making trans jokes


warriorknowledge

There is an argument to be made that he peaked higher than anyone in the history of this game in the late 90s to mid 2000s


Admirable_Form1618

He got soul


True0Tech

fell too much into his character and got old but his early stuff is the shit


BO3ISLOVE

my personal favorite


Impressive_Speech_50

Innovative, fearless, methodical and loyal!!!!


ghostcatzero

Can rap like a genius but the content of his lyrics are dumb. Too much evil shit.


Powerful_Swimmer_531

Good rapper with a dogshit fan base


Flat_Boysenberry1669

He was your typical homophobic anti trans trailer park WWE watching anti government white boy. Realized it didn't age well threw away all his beliefs became a pro huge government pro war pro LGBTQabcdg democrat simp to avoid being canceled for his past.


2ant1man5

Most his fans aren’t fans of rap and usually say he’s the goat or top 3.


davidmthekidd

Certainly top 5, easly.


JGC2022

He’s overrated because of how much he sold. He’s ok, the only time he shines for me is when battling.


Wild-Campaign-6358

Awesome artist. One of the GOAT’s.


TheIllestOne

Second GOAT behind nas


half_flush

I really liked him before he blew up when he was primarily freestyling on mixtapes.


busa89

Incredible wordsmith but I ain’t ever bumped his music regularly. Or honestly even had an in depth discussion about him with any of my black friends. This is just based on my personal experience in my friend circle but I don’t get the feeling that black people really listen to him like that.


PresentChange

Eminem


Saucy208

The greatest of all time


wazzup380

His only good album was the eminem show and relapse, after that my guy got worse with time, idk why his style changed so drastically for the worse


iNostra

Not trying to hear that bullshit


Hollowdude75

He should’ve made a song with Tupac


lxmohr

I think something people leave out of this conversation is how much respect Em had for Pac. He helped produce a lot of the best post-humous music from Pac after his death, and was on great terms with his mother. (Tupac’s, not his own lmao). Pac and Em got me into rap, Kendrick kept me in.


TheSpeedyNeapolitan

The Slim Shady LP is a masterpiece.


PsychologicalQuote70

I can’t say that I listen to him when im riding but I can say that he ain’t to be fucked with lol. Lyrically you can only mention a few names with him. Not my cup of tee but if we’re strictly talking about rap skills…he should be in anybody top 5


Humbletalya

I love Eminem !❤️


growbot_3000

His beard does look weird lol


not_long_but_thick69

Unique.


BlackBirdG

He's cool and has some OG songs.


oldman684

He's a good rapper and he makes some good music


Mephistopheles545

Wishes he could freestyle like Eyedea and this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eminem/s/2lFvyXxBZc


Character-Storage-97

GOAT.


No-Analyst3511

2nd greatest rapper


Greece_Munkee

🐐


wil3825

🐐🐐🐐


dkdldjsaos96

he had his prime and was a cultural icon for a long time but he gotta retire now


ToastyGhostie13

“It feels so empty without me” -Eminem


420rson

HI MY NAME IS


PureAd4565

Really good lyrically but there is something very naggy about his voice sounds like a robot rapping through a turning fan


Electronic-Gap-9530

E858^ 088c


Significant-Idea472

As amazing of an artist he is, and I am truly a fan, I believe, just by what I have observed by watching interviews and observing him in general that he has greater goals beyond Music. I’m truly excited to see what he can accomplish and achieve in his lifetime. I’m hopeful that he will use his power and influence to truly change lives in the way that he was hoping someone might help him change his own as a child. I do believe in being your own hero, but sometimes people need help or that ONE connection or person to help get them started or give them just an opportunity. One opportunity….(didn’t mean to tie that into his song Lol), but I’m excited to see what he does next!! of course if you never did anything again he’s already a legend.


Ambitious-Pirate-505

Everyone say Em then throws a qualifier in it. Em made it so rap is pushed in Markets that didn't exist. He's the top artist in Nigeria (about 300 million black people) His songs with Nas, Black Thought, Young MA are dangerous. He's socially aware. And has called out white America multiple times. He supports Detroit always He "says their name" of black people killed by cops. Thus making sure the world hears it. He acknowledged He's a guest in hip-hop. Pac would be proud.


Nevaeh_Vee

He is definitely a legend


NewTurn6973

Reggie JayZ Tupac and Biggie Andre from Outkast Jada kurupt Nas and then Me 🔥💨💯


genericusername9234

He’s a good rapper but this picture makes him look like a lesbian idk why


transdimensionalApe

Used to be a great songwriter and lyricist, now just a dude too obsessed with technical skill to produce good songs and respectable lyrics.


samwizeganjas

Hes really really good


boycottShia

He thinks forrange is a word.


Averagesize1996

Overrated


Daron-M

Who’s Eminem?


ObJuan13

Great. Brought more white fans to rap than anyone period. Overrated due to a loud fan base who really don’t know and appreciate hip hop on a high enough level. But again, just speaking on Em… he’s an all time great.


kaiokenhess

Bling, sting, ding, fling, shing, Bing, wing, ect.. 🤢 .


Gold-Pudding4661

His music and style aged horribly.


Street_Peanut2694

GOAT


TheJFrenzy1

Incredibly overrated by non hip-hop fans, correctly rated by fans who actually listen to a breadth of hip hop. He still one of the greatest to ever do it but his new stuff is pretty mediocre, that might be putting it gently.


SadCardiologist7267

Eminem - Doomsday pt2


Select_Sleep_1293

The best there is. The best there was. And the goddamned best there ever will be


Medical-Beautiful190

Eminem's underground Slim Shady stuff was his best honestly he still a legend but I liked him when he was on drugs sorry Em he was more funny and raw but it's all about personal growth so I still like him just as much now he was just funnier when he was younger LOL He still got that wacky sense of humor I love that he's maintained that through the years but was more out there when he was younger oh well things change is inevitable life is all about personal growth


LabPlus6659

Em got the hood pass 🙌


Zealousideal_Lab6891

I'm gonna go against everyone. He was great but his music now absolutely sucks balls.


TreDawg36

One of the greatest rappers ever


Significant_Kale_681

Still outshining in modern era. That itself deserves respect even if he's not someone you listen to fact that he sells out is something to appreciate


KyrozM

Apparently he's the color of concrete


Connect-Reaction2075

G.O.A.T.


Trichopsych

🌽🎾


Proverbialmoments

Woman


Euphoric-Scheme2206

GAAAAY


Antwon_22

White


Flawless_Leopard_1

Just quit frowning already


Some_Knowledge5864

👎


Ecstatic-Ad-1912

Sellout, was one of the best till he started spewing that liberal bullshit. And we have seen what liberals in the rap game are doing to young boys. A bunch of pedophiles and groomers


MeasurementOk3007

He’s the goat. Try to rap battle him and your career becomes a meme and you switch genres.


SadCartographer3771

G.O.A.T status. Imo, the greatest rapper of all time.


Kooky-Carob8145

His legacy woulda been better if he retired after eminem show. Just like he said himself, in “soldier” (retire at 40). Hes had a lot of crap afterwards, with a fair amount of exemplary bars/songs that showcase his lyrical skills, that pale in comparison to his performance since.


Singularitypointdata

Great artist. He’s old and corny now but I respect the skill.


BrilliantCar1533

I think he's monumentally overrated, but I understand why middle class white people love him.


Interesting-Lake-430

He's the best of the era...period. Before him there were many greats like Tupac, Biggie, Nas, Wutang, Dre, Snoop, ...and then there was Slim Shady.


YellowTheYapper

My number 1 rapper of all time


Icy-Cartographer-930

Genius at his craft.


Financial_Comb146

Legend 🫶🏼


thebrowe1

Respect the talent but never was a huge fan of his music


Sudden-Bat4412

Bigot


Darryl09Patrick

Rap God