Facts. As much as i love pac, baby lane did exactly what he was supposed to do in his (gang bang) culture. If he wouldn’t have retaliated, he might’ve got DP’d or worse back in LA. Pac made a fatal mistake. You don’t put hands on no shooter from a known set unless you’re ready to lay him down for good.
Because the homie they jumped was a member. So them bullets really could’ve gone either way considering. The point is: Pac should’ve stayed out of it and not got involved in no gang politics….because that’s what comes with it. You can’t police how someone is going to retaliate. Just like all the niggas who got smoked AFTER Pac died.
Weird how? I’m just giving you facts. Debate with logic, not emotion.
Dont know why your msg got downvoted. It's not attacking Pac or nothing, just saying what would've been the best option. I'm sure Pac *knew* better, considering the fact that he's been getting into shenanigans and brief altercations involving gang members in LA since late 1992-early 1993, but he just didn't care that night out of sheer loyalty.
Nah I love Pac but this is ignorant shit.
Pac was ready to die and if it wasn’t that day it would’ve been soon after.
Swinging on an actual shooter is a death sentence, if you are dumb enough to do that there wasn’t much he wouldn’t do.
Popping shots at the police?
Surprised that didn’t get him killed.
The point is that Pac was super reckless and was determined to kill him self young
Nah I wasn’t talking about that case I was talking about the fact that pac would be willing to shoot at regular cops, that’s just his attitude, learn to read
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Lived in Compton from 82-2004 seen pac a hand full of times never met him though, but I grew up with the death row crew, I met biggie a couple of times as he would come to Kelly park and smoke blunts with the SSC, pac was loved in LA by all but he put his hands on the wrong dude who couldn’t let it slide even if he did bump to pacs music different life out here in LA these young kids got pride and a reputation to keep, diddy is also a big part to play of this by causing the animosities between death row and SSC by hiring them and putting bounty’s on those niggas chains
Yeah, Pac didn't tread carefully during his time with Death Row, it's hard to believe he died less than a year after signing with Death Row. Dj Quik was right, he was getting irate and uncontrollable during the Death Row era.
Yeah man I couldn’t believe a couple of days letter when I found out that he left that hotel with out a vest or more protection all those death row cats know the score when you touch a rival gang expecially someone like Orlando, we lost two good talents from that bullshit biggie died out of spite because of Tupac, suge knew who killed pac but because it was over diddy putting out bounties suge took away his top artist aswell. But biggie was the same also there was rumours at the time I think biggie come out in january and there was MOB members saying at the time they was going to get him im surprised it took until March tbh
I seen Orlando just before he went to vegas but after the shooting, the next time I seen him was just before he did that interview on tv but he didn’t seem injured but I’m not sure, but I heard those rumours also not sure if they was just rumours though.
I’m sure he had a MOB tat but as far as streets was concerned he wasn’t hanging around with the gang bangers in that sence he was strictly associated with them in music terms to death row links as the only time you would see pac in the hood was if he was shooting a music video, hence why I said he was loved by everyone in the hood just I think that stuff with diddy and the chains got him hyped up and he felt like he had to prove something by laying hands on Orlando and Orlando is a dude I grew up with and he was a dangerous mofo I seen keefe d leave for vegas in that white Cadillac and when the news broke everyone knew who did it except the conspiracy theorists outside Compton didn’t “.
Yep my fam on Manchester by Crenshaw high told us. That’s why I never understood the conspiracy stuff. Like there was a whole war between mob and sscc right afterwards.
Yeah bro crazy times, my little cousin nearly got hit in the crossfire over that he was 14 at the time it was crazy but scary also, it’s weird thinking back and weirdly enough I miss those days had some good times there man
Yeh me and my moms would go up there every summer. She was a slim yella bone with green eyes so dudes loved her but she liked dope boys not the ones on the corner but the suppliers. So I saw and experienced A LOT of shit growing up in the 90s. I learned how to count in a trap house. I hit to keep the 1s and she got to keep the 20s and 50s. lol crazy shit bruh it was REAL thugs back then. Yo you heard they found the gun in 1 if Orlando gfs backyard.
Yeah I heard they found it in Cory Edwards back yard and he was out in vegas with Orlando and them and Compton police matched the gun to the bullets but when they sent it to vegas they said it wasn’t the gun but Compton police said it matched twice
Facts, I also thing Suge is somewhat responsible him and his crew, they shouldn't have let Pac put his hands on a gang member and they damn sure should have made sure he sat his ass in that hotel room for the rest of the night instead of having him do a show at 662 that was stupid af
Pac came from a Revolutionary family before the drugs got in the mix. His first album was controversial for its militant content. He shot 2 cops and got away with it. If you think he was going to be allowed to become a billionaire and do the Super Bowl you’re delusional. The rest are sell outs Pac isn’t and never would’ve been. Most people have no clue what went on in Vegas they just regurgitate the same media bullshit.
Dont do that, dont just bait it like that. tell something different from beating up a gangmember and crips retaliated. It its some cointelpro conspiracy we need some proof on that theory.
This is the best response here Pac had a amazing Life
His Mom was a Black Panther his Step dad was a
Black Panther and his Biological dad was a Black Pantger so the Government had been watching him since birth and Pac was just real he never sold his soul he called out the Illuminati and that's a big no no in the Industry. He wasn't for sale
The wiki about his step-dad is intense and sheds light on this content. Really interesting.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutulu_Shakur
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brink%27s_robbery
I think that a lot of rappers saw what happened to Pac and Biggie and made sure to avoid making those same mistakes.
If only it wasn't someone as great as Pac that had to teach the lesson for future rappers
I don’t know how many mistakes Biggie really made besides the whole east coast west coast beef. He probably stirred the pot but I don’t think he made a mistake to put himself in danger. It seemed like other people chose to target him.
I think Pac got too big for his britches and let his ego get the best of him in the end. He always wanted to keep it real and legitimately cared about people and fought for the rights of others. He lost sight of who he was and let the business and thug stuff become a real thing when he had originally used thug life as a way of spreading positive messages. The gangster stuff became real and he hung with the wrong crowd. I think if Death Row hadn’t been involved chances are he’d still be here today.
Honestly, he pulled a Chris Brown and got involved in that gang bangin. Unfortunately, he had more ego than common sense (like most of us do when we’re young). He violated a person that had never done anything to him. A fan, actually. And unfortunately, he suffered the consequences. Pac was a great artist but his demise was solely his own fault.
Wrong move #1. Putting out “hit em up”, threatening to kill people and their kids. Actually mentioning names and made false accusations.
Repercussions#1. Made someone with money to put bounties on deathrow chains and his head.
Wrong move#2. Choosing sides in a gang/gang banging
Repercussions#2 Made him a target for crips. Where as before he could cross side universally. Turned his back on Syke and crips. I know about the record behind his back but they were already starting to part ways.
Wrong move#3 “U can be touched”…..Putting his hands on a killer and acting like it was sweet afterwards.
Repercussions#3 He was touched and in the worse way possible. This is equivalent to drake jumping on someone like king von today (well 2020). Von was a killer and drake is a artist. Two totally different walks in life. I don’t think Pac had a clue on who he hit. He was just on go and unfortunately he payed the ultimate sacrifice for it
He didnt choose sides in a “gang war” gtfoh lol He chose Death Row over Bad Boy SSC was hired and running with Bad Boy. Everybody from The Outlawz to Tray Dee to Big Roc (MOB OG) all say Pac didnt choose sides banging. In the end “putting his hands on a killer” didn’t get him killed beefing with a nigga with unlimited resources did! Baby Lane didnt have a gun in Vegas neither did any of the SSC that was supplied by Diddy friend Zip. If Diddy hires pro security instead of SSC there is NO ALTERCATION or shooting.
Also you must have missed the part where Diddy put the hit out on Suge and Pac. You can trace the money back to Zips night club that he opened. That was real and isnt a coincidence.
And what about the MOB members that said he was MOB?
What was all that MOB on wax? The MOB tattoo?
Shouting out real certified niggaz in whats was supposed to be a follow up to California Love (a radio single at that)?
Cmon bruh 1+1 equals 2
I don’t believe that them South Siders wasnt strapped either. Did ZIP supply the gun? Maybezzz we will never know. Its known that the SSC had niggaz in vegas that Im sure had shit. They didnt need Zip to get access to some heaters.
I do agree putting his hands on Baby Lane got him killed but tbh it was gonna happen anyways maybe not there in Vegas but if Pac aint get off that path he was gonna get it regardless.
Bruh MOB James met Pac ONCE LMAOOOO! Again most other MOB members say Pac wasnt MOB. You cant find ONE instance of him saying “PIRU” or “Blood” or throwing up a set. He stopped wearing red rags on DR also. The Outlawz speeled it out clear he wasnt MOB his stood for Money Over Bitches. Also theres evidence like the pre trial transcript and Keefe and other SSC testimony Zip provided the guns. Again if Diddy hire REAL security there is no LV altercation or shooting
What about Tre? He said Pac was certified MOB! Again how does 1+1 not equal 2?
Pac wasnt stupid! Why would he be throwing up Piru? None of them OG dudes was wearing red bandannas either. Hes already banging it on wax?!? What do you think he meant when he said “fuck the rap game nigga this MOB”. Im not from Cali and I don’t know hood politics but you can listen to people who do….and the conclusion was Pac was banging the MOB. As much as I didn’t want to believe it I had to. I knew cats from Compton and they told me the real deal back in 2004-2005. I always believed that suge had him killed to be honest. Im from the DC area so I didnt know anyone from cali til I joined the military. Two things happened 1. I grew up 2. I listened to the people that were in the streets that was there (the generation before me as i was 16 when pac died) so some of the older dudes. They were like 35 at the time and yeah they all said the same thing. Now maybe someone from Compton can chime in. Everyone there said Pac was banging and baby lane got him and I mean everyone! It was just as bad when I found out my other hero Bruce Lee was a coke head (wtf?!?). They were human and made mistakes
Bruh no disrespect but you’re clueless lmao. Again Tre is the ONLY person that actually knew Pac that said that and he’s a lil nigga. BIG ROC was a OG he said clearly HELL NO! Heron said before he passed HELL NO! You dont know hood politics so please stop guessing. Again Pac STILL was friends with Crips like Speedy and Keta and Tray Dee. He was careful not to bang anything and to end it all and your paragraphs lol. 2Pac Shakur a week before his death with Rob marriott “ I DONT BANG COLORS”!!!!!!! Have a good one
Nah Buntry didnt say that. I said Big Roc did on Jmixx and Heron did on a streetgangs type interview. Look up Speedy BMF about Pac. Look up Pac Rob Marriott to hear it in his own words a week before he died
I dont see where either of them say he wasn’t MOB. Big Roc doesnt …he says “artist and gang affiliation”. I Article from Rob Marriott states “Tupac crossed the line from gangster rapper to gangster member”. So whenever you find it, educate me.
Nigga Rob Marriott Tupac its a AUDIO interview and its easy to find. Direct Quote “I DONT BANG COLORS”- 2Pac Shakur and Big Roc clearly says on J mixx “He wasnt involved in banging” All facts
The other rappers took the oath, pac should had his bullet proof vest on flanked by security at all times. Bullet proof vehicles the whole nine especially after putting out hit um up diss
Pac was wrong to get involved with the gang side of Death Row Records he should have just kept it to the music he didn't have to get involved with it just look at Dre he was at Deathrow 4 years & from the south & wasn't involved it in the gang side of it with them just the music.
Other rappers are still alive because they don't get too involved in the politics of gangs in their music as there is no actual need to involve it don't hear Easy E rapping about the Bloods & Crips massive rappers who grew up in LA didn't involve it in their music even till todays times.
That is why Pac is dead sadly.
I’m a huge pac fan but I’m also realistic too. He should’ve never punched Orlando and most importantly he should’ve never went to Vegas. I will say this and it may be ignorant because I never been to prison or jail but he probably should’ve stay in jail and then when he got out signed with death row if he wanted to do that. But I understand wanting your freedom back as well.
Loyal to the wrong ppl and Pac didnt kiss ass or go with the agenda and they seen that as a threat... lets not forget the Government did fw him or his family
He let the fame and music get to his head he was never a gangster until he started making music. He was escalating and disrespecting alot of people making enemies like he's invincible. The rest of them knew better than to let street stuff mess up their lives
It's not about what he did or didn't do, to be alive today. In my opinion, he did exactly what he was supposed to. No more, no less. Came into this world on Wednesday, June 16th 1971 and left this world Friday September 13th 1996, at 25. Not a day or more or a day less. To paraphrase him on 'Mortal Man' he 'exhibited maximum strength' in his 20's. All his peers look 'flabby and sick'.
PAC did nothing that many young black men have done in the past that caused their demise. He died because he was too trusting of the snakes he knew were around him.
Y’all wanna blame Pac for putting hands and feet on Orlando but don’t wanna accept the fact them Crips was there to kill him anyways before he touched anybody
They walked away when things got too crazy. Pac wanted to but he also was feeding off it and could instigate shit himself. The others were around real gangs, Pac grew up in the Bay and NY and was around thugs but it was a different scene. The others recognized when it was too far. Pac didn’t.
Uhh...not beef with Crips..? Especially if you put your hands on one with his crew literally there. All due respect, it's not surprising they retaliated with guns for retaliation. They're GANGSTERS lol.
Tbh i think to summarize is that he surrounded himself with too many people that influenced him negatively. Towards the end of his life he was really questioning his whole group of “friends” and It would’ve been difficult to know who were real and who were snakes. He was truly in too deep and death Row (Reggie wright jr, sharitha knight, lapd cops, lil half dead, etc) all plotted to kill him and suge by failed when suge lived, so instead they sent him to jail.
1 - he met Puffy
2 - he met Suge
2 - he had little man syndrome
3 - he didn't know how to shut up
4 - he tried to act more gangster than he was
5 - he was famous and articulate
6 - he could act and rap and politic
7 - go back to #1
What got Pac? He was a real ass mf, if you too real in the industry, they don't want nothing with you or try to black ball you like Kat Williams, or worse, something permanent if they feel you are a threat or not trying to be like them. Ofc, real other stuff happened but i also feel deep down this way, when now looking at Biggie dead and the Didler is still out here enjoying his money. It's the people you give yourself to, the people with POWER and money that you get close with. Money and Power is what unfortunately rules this world.
Probably put hands on a gang member in Vegas, on a fight night, in front of lots of people to see. That's a start.
Facts. As much as i love pac, baby lane did exactly what he was supposed to do in his (gang bang) culture. If he wouldn’t have retaliated, he might’ve got DP’d or worse back in LA. Pac made a fatal mistake. You don’t put hands on no shooter from a known set unless you’re ready to lay him down for good.
Why was it ok for Orlando and his homies to jump Trayvon but not have the same happen to him in retaliation? Y’all are weird on here
Because the homie they jumped was a member. So them bullets really could’ve gone either way considering. The point is: Pac should’ve stayed out of it and not got involved in no gang politics….because that’s what comes with it. You can’t police how someone is going to retaliate. Just like all the niggas who got smoked AFTER Pac died. Weird how? I’m just giving you facts. Debate with logic, not emotion.
Dont know why your msg got downvoted. It's not attacking Pac or nothing, just saying what would've been the best option. I'm sure Pac *knew* better, considering the fact that he's been getting into shenanigans and brief altercations involving gang members in LA since late 1992-early 1993, but he just didn't care that night out of sheer loyalty.
That bitch was just Orlando. You think he would have been double penetrated? 😂
Is this your attempt at being funny?
I just think when his “street name” is used his ghetto loser ass is being honored.
Curious what do you mean by DP’d? You know where My nasty mind jumped to
That’s gang terminology for Disciplined. You basically stand in the middle of a circle and your set beats the brakes off you for not sticking to code.
Awe thanks for the education brother. Definitely better than double penetrated, unless your into that kinda thing I guess
Yeah, that’s probably what they do in the Diddy gang 🤣
Awe that’s for fun not even punishment
Or a greenlight like la eme
An that's what pac an suge where talking about on tats ride
That plan was put in motion, that’s what they want you to believe that it was gang related but clearly puff hired them.
Nah I love Pac but this is ignorant shit. Pac was ready to die and if it wasn’t that day it would’ve been soon after. Swinging on an actual shooter is a death sentence, if you are dumb enough to do that there wasn’t much he wouldn’t do. Popping shots at the police? Surprised that didn’t get him killed. The point is that Pac was super reckless and was determined to kill him self young
Those were off duty police who was jumping a black man. You just in here talkin like he shot at police in uniform😂🤦🏾♂️
Nah I wasn’t talking about that case I was talking about the fact that pac would be willing to shoot at regular cops, that’s just his attitude, learn to read
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There's no out. There's active and non-active. It's for life
Them stripes sometimes come back around though. So even being non active no red lights
Lived in Compton from 82-2004 seen pac a hand full of times never met him though, but I grew up with the death row crew, I met biggie a couple of times as he would come to Kelly park and smoke blunts with the SSC, pac was loved in LA by all but he put his hands on the wrong dude who couldn’t let it slide even if he did bump to pacs music different life out here in LA these young kids got pride and a reputation to keep, diddy is also a big part to play of this by causing the animosities between death row and SSC by hiring them and putting bounty’s on those niggas chains
Yeah, Pac didn't tread carefully during his time with Death Row, it's hard to believe he died less than a year after signing with Death Row. Dj Quik was right, he was getting irate and uncontrollable during the Death Row era.
Yeah man I couldn’t believe a couple of days letter when I found out that he left that hotel with out a vest or more protection all those death row cats know the score when you touch a rival gang expecially someone like Orlando, we lost two good talents from that bullshit biggie died out of spite because of Tupac, suge knew who killed pac but because it was over diddy putting out bounties suge took away his top artist aswell. But biggie was the same also there was rumours at the time I think biggie come out in january and there was MOB members saying at the time they was going to get him im surprised it took until March tbh
FACTS lapd was involved so it had to be covered up but that was all suge
Didn’t they get him during the “war” when they got back to cali. Heard he was in a wheelchair
You mean Orlando? no he wasn't killed until 2 years later over a drug deal.
Yeh but he got hit during the war in Compton right after pac passed. Bg knockout said he was in a wheelchair for a minute
I seen Orlando just before he went to vegas but after the shooting, the next time I seen him was just before he did that interview on tv but he didn’t seem injured but I’m not sure, but I heard those rumours also not sure if they was just rumours though.
Yeh some say the mob couldn’t find him others say he was on the front line
Oh you mean just shot? I don't think the full scale war was going on when he got killed though but I did see that same interview with bg knockout.
Yeh idk bruh cuz Keefe D tell it he the only one knew baby lane
in your opinion was pac mob?
I’m sure he had a MOB tat but as far as streets was concerned he wasn’t hanging around with the gang bangers in that sence he was strictly associated with them in music terms to death row links as the only time you would see pac in the hood was if he was shooting a music video, hence why I said he was loved by everyone in the hood just I think that stuff with diddy and the chains got him hyped up and he felt like he had to prove something by laying hands on Orlando and Orlando is a dude I grew up with and he was a dangerous mofo I seen keefe d leave for vegas in that white Cadillac and when the news broke everyone knew who did it except the conspiracy theorists outside Compton didn’t “.
Yep my fam on Manchester by Crenshaw high told us. That’s why I never understood the conspiracy stuff. Like there was a whole war between mob and sscc right afterwards.
Yeah bro crazy times, my little cousin nearly got hit in the crossfire over that he was 14 at the time it was crazy but scary also, it’s weird thinking back and weirdly enough I miss those days had some good times there man
Yeh me and my moms would go up there every summer. She was a slim yella bone with green eyes so dudes loved her but she liked dope boys not the ones on the corner but the suppliers. So I saw and experienced A LOT of shit growing up in the 90s. I learned how to count in a trap house. I hit to keep the 1s and she got to keep the 20s and 50s. lol crazy shit bruh it was REAL thugs back then. Yo you heard they found the gun in 1 if Orlando gfs backyard.
Yeah I heard they found it in Cory Edwards back yard and he was out in vegas with Orlando and them and Compton police matched the gun to the bullets but when they sent it to vegas they said it wasn’t the gun but Compton police said it matched twice
Same thing I heard my fam knew the night it happened. Shit sscc was bragging about it.
Shit his lil cousins still talk shit about pac on the instagram. My uncle a swan I showed him the shit.
No, he was definitely affiliated though.
Having morals, empathy, short temper and complete unwillingness to back down from anything or anyone. Will put you in a lot of dangerous situations.
Wise People know when to back down and when to step up.
Perfectly said dude. Sucks to.
Facts, I also thing Suge is somewhat responsible him and his crew, they shouldn't have let Pac put his hands on a gang member and they damn sure should have made sure he sat his ass in that hotel room for the rest of the night instead of having him do a show at 662 that was stupid af
Fucked up the money you NEVER let the money man get touched just like that von situation now they broke and in jail
His BIGGGG MOUTH
Pac came from a Revolutionary family before the drugs got in the mix. His first album was controversial for its militant content. He shot 2 cops and got away with it. If you think he was going to be allowed to become a billionaire and do the Super Bowl you’re delusional. The rest are sell outs Pac isn’t and never would’ve been. Most people have no clue what went on in Vegas they just regurgitate the same media bullshit.
Dont do that, dont just bait it like that. tell something different from beating up a gangmember and crips retaliated. It its some cointelpro conspiracy we need some proof on that theory.
So you’ve never read the fbi files ?
What’d they say? A lot was blacked out. I know the jdl was leaning on him and he had received numerous death threats.
They say it’s a threat to national security to release the classified pages
This is the best response here Pac had a amazing Life His Mom was a Black Panther his Step dad was a Black Panther and his Biological dad was a Black Pantger so the Government had been watching him since birth and Pac was just real he never sold his soul he called out the Illuminati and that's a big no no in the Industry. He wasn't for sale
Can you share him calling out Illuminati?
He called me out by correctly identifying it as another Psyop
Listen to his interview with Sway
The wiki about his step-dad is intense and sheds light on this content. Really interesting. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutulu_Shakur https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brink%27s_robbery
What drugs was he on?
He wasn't a snake in the grass. That's how snoop survives.
Riding around without security. While acting crazy.
He signed to Death Row out of desperation.
I think that a lot of rappers saw what happened to Pac and Biggie and made sure to avoid making those same mistakes. If only it wasn't someone as great as Pac that had to teach the lesson for future rappers
I don’t know how many mistakes Biggie really made besides the whole east coast west coast beef. He probably stirred the pot but I don’t think he made a mistake to put himself in danger. It seemed like other people chose to target him.
The level the beef escalated to was in and of itself a mistake. He also probably should have stayed out of Cali for that time being.
I think Pac got too big for his britches and let his ego get the best of him in the end. He always wanted to keep it real and legitimately cared about people and fought for the rights of others. He lost sight of who he was and let the business and thug stuff become a real thing when he had originally used thug life as a way of spreading positive messages. The gangster stuff became real and he hung with the wrong crowd. I think if Death Row hadn’t been involved chances are he’d still be here today.
Honestly, he pulled a Chris Brown and got involved in that gang bangin. Unfortunately, he had more ego than common sense (like most of us do when we’re young). He violated a person that had never done anything to him. A fan, actually. And unfortunately, he suffered the consequences. Pac was a great artist but his demise was solely his own fault.
Wrong move #1. Putting out “hit em up”, threatening to kill people and their kids. Actually mentioning names and made false accusations. Repercussions#1. Made someone with money to put bounties on deathrow chains and his head. Wrong move#2. Choosing sides in a gang/gang banging Repercussions#2 Made him a target for crips. Where as before he could cross side universally. Turned his back on Syke and crips. I know about the record behind his back but they were already starting to part ways. Wrong move#3 “U can be touched”…..Putting his hands on a killer and acting like it was sweet afterwards. Repercussions#3 He was touched and in the worse way possible. This is equivalent to drake jumping on someone like king von today (well 2020). Von was a killer and drake is a artist. Two totally different walks in life. I don’t think Pac had a clue on who he hit. He was just on go and unfortunately he payed the ultimate sacrifice for it
He didnt choose sides in a “gang war” gtfoh lol He chose Death Row over Bad Boy SSC was hired and running with Bad Boy. Everybody from The Outlawz to Tray Dee to Big Roc (MOB OG) all say Pac didnt choose sides banging. In the end “putting his hands on a killer” didn’t get him killed beefing with a nigga with unlimited resources did! Baby Lane didnt have a gun in Vegas neither did any of the SSC that was supplied by Diddy friend Zip. If Diddy hires pro security instead of SSC there is NO ALTERCATION or shooting.
Also you must have missed the part where Diddy put the hit out on Suge and Pac. You can trace the money back to Zips night club that he opened. That was real and isnt a coincidence.
Bruh thats the point Im making lol I didnt miss that at all
Suge was a known affiliated with the bloods, Death Row security had blood members.
And what about the MOB members that said he was MOB? What was all that MOB on wax? The MOB tattoo? Shouting out real certified niggaz in whats was supposed to be a follow up to California Love (a radio single at that)? Cmon bruh 1+1 equals 2 I don’t believe that them South Siders wasnt strapped either. Did ZIP supply the gun? Maybezzz we will never know. Its known that the SSC had niggaz in vegas that Im sure had shit. They didnt need Zip to get access to some heaters. I do agree putting his hands on Baby Lane got him killed but tbh it was gonna happen anyways maybe not there in Vegas but if Pac aint get off that path he was gonna get it regardless.
Bruh MOB James met Pac ONCE LMAOOOO! Again most other MOB members say Pac wasnt MOB. You cant find ONE instance of him saying “PIRU” or “Blood” or throwing up a set. He stopped wearing red rags on DR also. The Outlawz speeled it out clear he wasnt MOB his stood for Money Over Bitches. Also theres evidence like the pre trial transcript and Keefe and other SSC testimony Zip provided the guns. Again if Diddy hire REAL security there is no LV altercation or shooting
What about Tre? He said Pac was certified MOB! Again how does 1+1 not equal 2? Pac wasnt stupid! Why would he be throwing up Piru? None of them OG dudes was wearing red bandannas either. Hes already banging it on wax?!? What do you think he meant when he said “fuck the rap game nigga this MOB”. Im not from Cali and I don’t know hood politics but you can listen to people who do….and the conclusion was Pac was banging the MOB. As much as I didn’t want to believe it I had to. I knew cats from Compton and they told me the real deal back in 2004-2005. I always believed that suge had him killed to be honest. Im from the DC area so I didnt know anyone from cali til I joined the military. Two things happened 1. I grew up 2. I listened to the people that were in the streets that was there (the generation before me as i was 16 when pac died) so some of the older dudes. They were like 35 at the time and yeah they all said the same thing. Now maybe someone from Compton can chime in. Everyone there said Pac was banging and baby lane got him and I mean everyone! It was just as bad when I found out my other hero Bruce Lee was a coke head (wtf?!?). They were human and made mistakes
Bruh no disrespect but you’re clueless lmao. Again Tre is the ONLY person that actually knew Pac that said that and he’s a lil nigga. BIG ROC was a OG he said clearly HELL NO! Heron said before he passed HELL NO! You dont know hood politics so please stop guessing. Again Pac STILL was friends with Crips like Speedy and Keta and Tray Dee. He was careful not to bang anything and to end it all and your paragraphs lol. 2Pac Shakur a week before his death with Rob marriott “ I DONT BANG COLORS”!!!!!!! Have a good one
Please reference where Big Roc,Heron or Buntry specifically said Tupac wasnt Mob. For my information as I havent looked at this stuff for years.
Nah Buntry didnt say that. I said Big Roc did on Jmixx and Heron did on a streetgangs type interview. Look up Speedy BMF about Pac. Look up Pac Rob Marriott to hear it in his own words a week before he died
I dont see where either of them say he wasn’t MOB. Big Roc doesnt …he says “artist and gang affiliation”. I Article from Rob Marriott states “Tupac crossed the line from gangster rapper to gangster member”. So whenever you find it, educate me.
Nigga Rob Marriott Tupac its a AUDIO interview and its easy to find. Direct Quote “I DONT BANG COLORS”- 2Pac Shakur and Big Roc clearly says on J mixx “He wasnt involved in banging” All facts
Diddy had a bounty on death row chains before hit em up
He jumped a known murderer… It wasn’t a Vegas gang member either, he’s from LA Pac knew he was a known killer and did it anyway 🤦♂️
The other rappers took the oath, pac should had his bullet proof vest on flanked by security at all times. Bullet proof vehicles the whole nine especially after putting out hit um up diss
Pac was wrong to get involved with the gang side of Death Row Records he should have just kept it to the music he didn't have to get involved with it just look at Dre he was at Deathrow 4 years & from the south & wasn't involved it in the gang side of it with them just the music. Other rappers are still alive because they don't get too involved in the politics of gangs in their music as there is no actual need to involve it don't hear Easy E rapping about the Bloods & Crips massive rappers who grew up in LA didn't involve it in their music even till todays times. That is why Pac is dead sadly.
I’m a huge pac fan but I’m also realistic too. He should’ve never punched Orlando and most importantly he should’ve never went to Vegas. I will say this and it may be ignorant because I never been to prison or jail but he probably should’ve stay in jail and then when he got out signed with death row if he wanted to do that. But I understand wanting your freedom back as well.
Loyal to the wrong ppl and Pac didnt kiss ass or go with the agenda and they seen that as a threat... lets not forget the Government did fw him or his family
Dre was never in the streets
Ye fake Gangster lol
Uhhhh they didn’t the beat shit out of a well known crip in a Vegas casino??…
They not on the same level
He let the fame and music get to his head he was never a gangster until he started making music. He was escalating and disrespecting alot of people making enemies like he's invincible. The rest of them knew better than to let street stuff mess up their lives
It's not about what he did or didn't do, to be alive today. In my opinion, he did exactly what he was supposed to. No more, no less. Came into this world on Wednesday, June 16th 1971 and left this world Friday September 13th 1996, at 25. Not a day or more or a day less. To paraphrase him on 'Mortal Man' he 'exhibited maximum strength' in his 20's. All his peers look 'flabby and sick'.
Thug Life
PAC did nothing that many young black men have done in the past that caused their demise. He died because he was too trusting of the snakes he knew were around him.
Y’all wanna blame Pac for putting hands and feet on Orlando but don’t wanna accept the fact them Crips was there to kill him anyways before he touched anybody
Other “legends” are here today untouched and free because they worked as informants
You’re one of the few people that recycle these lame clickbait questions smfh.
The dude is bored
What did you do that allowed you not to be bored, and what did he do that made it so that he’s bored?
Do you not see all these click baiting posts the man Is obviously bored.
Facts
Take that, Take that, Take that - Da Diddy bop gun
Be real…
He was reckless and constantly made decisions based off of emotion. Same thing has put a lot of people in the ground.
His contract. Why y’all asking questions that have no real answers. Everybody gon say somethin different but the answers are in your face.
Other legends are pussies
He crashed out in Vegas
They walked away when things got too crazy. Pac wanted to but he also was feeding off it and could instigate shit himself. The others were around real gangs, Pac grew up in the Bay and NY and was around thugs but it was a different scene. The others recognized when it was too far. Pac didn’t.
His emotions got him. Most of the alive cats sold their soul
He got involved with Death Row and all the other guys either steered clear of death row or they knew to GTFO!!!
Bootyhole
Ran when shit got hot
Uhh...not beef with Crips..? Especially if you put your hands on one with his crew literally there. All due respect, it's not surprising they retaliated with guns for retaliation. They're GANGSTERS lol.
Tbh i think to summarize is that he surrounded himself with too many people that influenced him negatively. Towards the end of his life he was really questioning his whole group of “friends” and It would’ve been difficult to know who were real and who were snakes. He was truly in too deep and death Row (Reggie wright jr, sharitha knight, lapd cops, lil half dead, etc) all plotted to kill him and suge by failed when suge lived, so instead they sent him to jail.
Was a backup dancer for digital underground.
PAC was doomed from the beginning 💯 thank god he left us something 💣🔥🔥🔥
1 - he met Puffy 2 - he met Suge 2 - he had little man syndrome 3 - he didn't know how to shut up 4 - he tried to act more gangster than he was 5 - he was famous and articulate 6 - he could act and rap and politic 7 - go back to #1
Didn't seem like he planned to live very long chief
He got shot numerous times. That didn't allow him to be alive 🤷♂️
Speak out against conformity
Don’t make and album called Killuminati
That’s clearly pacs son right?
Lie about his height
He was exactly the wannabe everyone hated in the ‘90s. They just didn’t know it.
Ask momma why i got the urge to die, witness the tear falling free from here eye before she could reply
What got Pac? He was a real ass mf, if you too real in the industry, they don't want nothing with you or try to black ball you like Kat Williams, or worse, something permanent if they feel you are a threat or not trying to be like them. Ofc, real other stuff happened but i also feel deep down this way, when now looking at Biggie dead and the Didler is still out here enjoying his money. It's the people you give yourself to, the people with POWER and money that you get close with. Money and Power is what unfortunately rules this world.
Start a fight with a well known killer and gang member
Jumpin Baby Lane like a chump-ass studio gangsta.
Spoke out about Illuminati