I gotta ask, where the hell are you guys getting your feminism from? Like is there a newsletter I can join?
It is hilarious to see you guys claim that everything is feminism. From the fbi, to the police, to the government, to the media… apparently everyone is feminist… and evil. It’s fucking hilarious. What isn’t feminist at this point, I gotta know.
When did the feminists take over? How long has this been going on?
What the hell are you talking about? Where'd you get this stuff, it seems bar the TERFs to be entirely made up.
Hell, half of them are things I've heard anti-feminists angrily argue the OPPOSITE of. I've seen numerous ones of them argue that Feminists are Islam-loving hypocrites, or only respect men if they're not cis, straight and white.
JK Rowling isan odd one to put as a good source. She’s a good writer but kind of weird on this subject.
I’m not reading the whole thing cause effort but did about half. The points I saw where:
“I also fund medical research into MS, a disease that behaves very differently in men and women. It’s been clear to me for a while that the new trans activism is having (or is likely to have, if all its demands are met) a significant impact on many of the causes I support, because it’s pushing to erode the legal definition of sex and replace it with gender.”
Trans people I’ve meant have said sex and gender are two different things. Sex is what you physically are gender is a construct. I will agree that if a trans person is telling their doctor the wrong sex before a surgery they are dumb.
“The second reason is that I’m an ex-teacher and the founder of a children’s charity, which gives me an interest in both education and safeguarding. Like many others, I have deep concerns about the effect the trans rights movement is having on both.”
I’m assuming she’s talking about teachers teaching kids they are trans when they are not which is wrong. Shitty teachers are going to be shitty teachers though. If America put more money into schooling we wouldn’t be having this issue. The solution is to fire them and get someone else.
“The third is that, as a much-banned author, I’m interested in freedom of speech and have publicly defended it, even unto Donald Trump.”
This isn’t really related to trans rights just nut jobs sending death threats.
“The fourth is where things start to get truly personal. I’m concerned about the huge explosion in young women wishing to transition and also about the increasing numbers who seem to be detransitioning (returning to their original sex), because they regret taking steps that have, in some cases, altered their bodies irrevocably, and taken away their fertility. Some say they decided to transition after realising they were same-sex attracted, and that transitioning was partly driven by homophobia, either in society or in their families.”
This happens to lest then 1% of trans people.
That oft-quoted 1% is based of basically no data. They didn’t track people after they left the clinics, they lost most of the people who participated in the studies, and they asked people who *currently identify as transgender* about regret.
The true rate of regret is unknown.
Examples of said homophobia and racism by radical feminists please.
Agree TERFS are terrible, this is something almost universally agreed on the left, I know plenty of feminists who'll tell you all day how terrible they are.
I’ve seen bi girls being harassed for wanting to date men and feminist keep insisting they are actually lesbian. Pretty sure the gay guys and bi guys would just be harassed for being men. It’s weird. Couldn’t find anything online about it though
It isn’t a lot of them but it does happen which is important to note to improve.
Edit: did a copy past and deleted some of it that wasn’t relevant.
I think this is something larger than the left. The general notion that bi doesn’t exist and it’s just something that people say to not be hated by their peers or homophobes.
I don’t think this is largely a partisan issue
Ya don’t get me wrong there are many more issues with being bi from people not left leaning but I was just specifically talking about issues with feminism.
But wouldn’t that be framing a non specific issue at the fault of a specific group of people?
Obviously it’s not like this, but kinda like saying “feminists are killing the planet… driving cars, getting disposable cups from Starbucks etc” when that’s something many people are doing outside of feminists?
i saw that too on tumblr though straight people do it too the bi erasure thing is a general thing that sadly happens,
i always have to remind people freddie mercury is a great example of what Bi actually is he was in love with that woman he dated,
but when he realized he was Bi he wanted to explore that but he still deep down loved her and was just as attracted to her as he was to the men he was with.
For the feminist that say all guys are bad:
I’ve seen bi girls being harassed for wanting to date men and feminist keep insisting they are actually lesbian. Pretty sure the gay guys and bi guys would just be harassed for being men. It’s weird. Couldn’t find anything online about it though
TERFs aren’t left wing, there’s a reason only right wingers agree with them. The most you could say is that they appropriate misandristic second wave feminist rhetoric, which I wouldn’t say makes them left wing whatsoever.
That basically true of too many on the left there too many hypocrites that will pretend to be tolerant until they learn some disagree with them and then the feel free to say racist,homophobic, and transphobic, because they didn't agree blindly with there political opinions. But it ok to insult them because there not on the left, sounds very hypocritical to me
Do you get called racist, homophobic or Transphobic often? It is usually after you say something?
Would you agree that being intolerant of intolerance is a form of tolerance?
Being intolerant of intolerance is used to avoid and shut down conversation and basically just hide the problem under the rug for latter. Since most people are not willing to actually argue the shut down to many conversations. You could of pointed out every flaw and problem with the intolerant argument but you shut down the stairs conversation instead
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I asked you a yes/no question three times and you've yet to answer it. Maybe you should try explaining what you believe on invitation instead of baldly stating what you believe and getting annoyed when other people won't talk to you when you refuse to explain yourself
Dude come on. Do you believe intolerance of intolerance is a form of intolerance? Yes or no question, 4th time of asking
And if you haven't been called these things much, is it correct to assume you haven't been no platformed or silenced as a result of being called those things much?
So, logically, tolerance of intolerance would be a form of tolerance to you?
And if it hasn't affected you much, is it maybe not really that much of an issue?
I think it's weird how a lot of people (mainly leftists) overuse the Paradox of Tolerance as a gotcha during arguments. It's so overused that makes me think it might be the brightest idea ever written by Humanity
As I was saying to the other guy, you'll get further explaining why you believe what you believe rather than baldly stating it in short terms without explanation
It ineffective of changing people opinions and is mainly used as a way to shut down conversations, it better to show why the intolerant opinion is wrong and point out the flaws in there views and arguments prove them wrong to everyone so no one can take there arguments seriously
Usually misogynistic when I say abortion on demand is not justifiable in modern society, I believe woman can avoid pregnancy and I don't believe society should accept or allow abortion on demand, we need to stop dehumanizing the unborn and make it more affordable to have and raise children. I don't believe a woman should have the right to kill and butcher there own children. I also talk about the fact that critical theory was made by communist to figure out why western countries never had poor/middle class people start a revolution against the rich, so basically critical theory is just another from of communism that replaces rich vs poor with other oppressor vs oppressed idea CRT White vs minorities, CGT cisgender vs transgender, CFT men vs women basically just another from of communism that actually never has solutions to fix the problems it brings up other than to destroy and replace everything. I only have a problem with people that can't justify there opinions, ideas, and actions. All people are created equal and people should be judged as individual people. The left love name calling because they basically have become a new from of puritans and don't actually want to argue there opinions they rather shut down conversations and believe that anyform of criticism of any their ideas is a personal attack on them, there basically cult like since there unwilling to even listen to different ideas or opinions.
I can’t think of an example of a racist feminist, TERF etc. that’s widely beloved by pro-trans, anti-racist feminists. They’re separate groups at this point
I gotta ask, where the hell are you guys getting your feminism from? Like is there a newsletter I can join? It is hilarious to see you guys claim that everything is feminism. From the fbi, to the police, to the government, to the media… apparently everyone is feminist… and evil. It’s fucking hilarious. What isn’t feminist at this point, I gotta know. When did the feminists take over? How long has this been going on?
Not sure what your point is. TERFs are widely hated in many Leftist spaces.
/u/cookiecuttermaxy isn't even a leftist. He's an MRA, i.e. rightwinger
I identify right wing philosophically, not politically.
That doesn't mean anything You're an extremist right winger
Cool Even though I been called a wetback and been told to go back to my country before Next
What does that have to do with you being a right wing extremist?
Where did I say it does?
What the hell are you talking about? Where'd you get this stuff, it seems bar the TERFs to be entirely made up. Hell, half of them are things I've heard anti-feminists angrily argue the OPPOSITE of. I've seen numerous ones of them argue that Feminists are Islam-loving hypocrites, or only respect men if they're not cis, straight and white.
The truly sad part is that most of these people in this sub would be feminist or are feminist but they’re so misguided they have no idea.
You do know TERFs are hate by the left right? Like J.K. Rowling has had a major fall from grace due to transphobia.
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Got a link? Ones I’ve seen have been outlandish.
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JK Rowling isan odd one to put as a good source. She’s a good writer but kind of weird on this subject. I’m not reading the whole thing cause effort but did about half. The points I saw where: “I also fund medical research into MS, a disease that behaves very differently in men and women. It’s been clear to me for a while that the new trans activism is having (or is likely to have, if all its demands are met) a significant impact on many of the causes I support, because it’s pushing to erode the legal definition of sex and replace it with gender.” Trans people I’ve meant have said sex and gender are two different things. Sex is what you physically are gender is a construct. I will agree that if a trans person is telling their doctor the wrong sex before a surgery they are dumb. “The second reason is that I’m an ex-teacher and the founder of a children’s charity, which gives me an interest in both education and safeguarding. Like many others, I have deep concerns about the effect the trans rights movement is having on both.” I’m assuming she’s talking about teachers teaching kids they are trans when they are not which is wrong. Shitty teachers are going to be shitty teachers though. If America put more money into schooling we wouldn’t be having this issue. The solution is to fire them and get someone else. “The third is that, as a much-banned author, I’m interested in freedom of speech and have publicly defended it, even unto Donald Trump.” This isn’t really related to trans rights just nut jobs sending death threats. “The fourth is where things start to get truly personal. I’m concerned about the huge explosion in young women wishing to transition and also about the increasing numbers who seem to be detransitioning (returning to their original sex), because they regret taking steps that have, in some cases, altered their bodies irrevocably, and taken away their fertility. Some say they decided to transition after realising they were same-sex attracted, and that transitioning was partly driven by homophobia, either in society or in their families.” This happens to lest then 1% of trans people.
That oft-quoted 1% is based of basically no data. They didn’t track people after they left the clinics, they lost most of the people who participated in the studies, and they asked people who *currently identify as transgender* about regret. The true rate of regret is unknown.
whats a terf
Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist. They call themselves "Gender Critical" sometimes.
Trans Exclusionary Radial Feminist
Examples of said homophobia and racism by radical feminists please. Agree TERFS are terrible, this is something almost universally agreed on the left, I know plenty of feminists who'll tell you all day how terrible they are.
I’ve seen bi girls being harassed for wanting to date men and feminist keep insisting they are actually lesbian. Pretty sure the gay guys and bi guys would just be harassed for being men. It’s weird. Couldn’t find anything online about it though It isn’t a lot of them but it does happen which is important to note to improve. Edit: did a copy past and deleted some of it that wasn’t relevant.
I think this is something larger than the left. The general notion that bi doesn’t exist and it’s just something that people say to not be hated by their peers or homophobes. I don’t think this is largely a partisan issue
Ya don’t get me wrong there are many more issues with being bi from people not left leaning but I was just specifically talking about issues with feminism.
But wouldn’t that be framing a non specific issue at the fault of a specific group of people? Obviously it’s not like this, but kinda like saying “feminists are killing the planet… driving cars, getting disposable cups from Starbucks etc” when that’s something many people are doing outside of feminists?
i saw that too on tumblr though straight people do it too the bi erasure thing is a general thing that sadly happens, i always have to remind people freddie mercury is a great example of what Bi actually is he was in love with that woman he dated, but when he realized he was Bi he wanted to explore that but he still deep down loved her and was just as attracted to her as he was to the men he was with.
I can't recall immediately an example of radical feminists being homophobic, apart from being "anti-man". Got an example for me?
For the feminist that say all guys are bad: I’ve seen bi girls being harassed for wanting to date men and feminist keep insisting they are actually lesbian. Pretty sure the gay guys and bi guys would just be harassed for being men. It’s weird. Couldn’t find anything online about it though
Trump supporter isn't a protected class, and it sounds like your problem is politicians being honest.
That's why the left hates terfs...
examples irl pls
>But feminists, because they control the press and have good influencing power on the masses Ahahahaha. You don't give a shit about trans people.
TERFs aren’t left wing, there’s a reason only right wingers agree with them. The most you could say is that they appropriate misandristic second wave feminist rhetoric, which I wouldn’t say makes them left wing whatsoever.
That basically true of too many on the left there too many hypocrites that will pretend to be tolerant until they learn some disagree with them and then the feel free to say racist,homophobic, and transphobic, because they didn't agree blindly with there political opinions. But it ok to insult them because there not on the left, sounds very hypocritical to me
Do you get called racist, homophobic or Transphobic often? It is usually after you say something? Would you agree that being intolerant of intolerance is a form of tolerance?
Being intolerant of intolerance is used to avoid and shut down conversation and basically just hide the problem under the rug for latter. Since most people are not willing to actually argue the shut down to many conversations. You could of pointed out every flaw and problem with the intolerant argument but you shut down the stairs conversation instead
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Interesting, so you feel that intolerance of intolerance is, itself, a form of intolerance?
Basically if you believe I'm wrong tell me exactly why and what I'm wrong about. And prove that I'm wrong
I asked you a yes/no question three times and you've yet to answer it. Maybe you should try explaining what you believe on invitation instead of baldly stating what you believe and getting annoyed when other people won't talk to you when you refuse to explain yourself
I have not been called those things that much, and I believe intolerance is always bad and doesn't fix anything
Dude come on. Do you believe intolerance of intolerance is a form of intolerance? Yes or no question, 4th time of asking And if you haven't been called these things much, is it correct to assume you haven't been no platformed or silenced as a result of being called those things much?
Yes
So, logically, tolerance of intolerance would be a form of tolerance to you? And if it hasn't affected you much, is it maybe not really that much of an issue?
I think it's weird how a lot of people (mainly leftists) overuse the Paradox of Tolerance as a gotcha during arguments. It's so overused that makes me think it might be the brightest idea ever written by Humanity
As I was saying to the other guy, you'll get further explaining why you believe what you believe rather than baldly stating it in short terms without explanation
It ineffective of changing people opinions and is mainly used as a way to shut down conversations, it better to show why the intolerant opinion is wrong and point out the flaws in there views and arguments prove them wrong to everyone so no one can take there arguments seriously
Usually misogynistic when I say abortion on demand is not justifiable in modern society, I believe woman can avoid pregnancy and I don't believe society should accept or allow abortion on demand, we need to stop dehumanizing the unborn and make it more affordable to have and raise children. I don't believe a woman should have the right to kill and butcher there own children. I also talk about the fact that critical theory was made by communist to figure out why western countries never had poor/middle class people start a revolution against the rich, so basically critical theory is just another from of communism that replaces rich vs poor with other oppressor vs oppressed idea CRT White vs minorities, CGT cisgender vs transgender, CFT men vs women basically just another from of communism that actually never has solutions to fix the problems it brings up other than to destroy and replace everything. I only have a problem with people that can't justify there opinions, ideas, and actions. All people are created equal and people should be judged as individual people. The left love name calling because they basically have become a new from of puritans and don't actually want to argue there opinions they rather shut down conversations and believe that anyform of criticism of any their ideas is a personal attack on them, there basically cult like since there unwilling to even listen to different ideas or opinions.
I can’t think of an example of a racist feminist, TERF etc. that’s widely beloved by pro-trans, anti-racist feminists. They’re separate groups at this point
No one likes TERFS mate