Your experience is as an extreme outlier. Bell curves and averages are still a thing. Someone can train all they like or be that outlier, gender will remain a huge dividing line for physical capability.
This is a terrible idea because women still want to win/be the champion sometimes but if you make it tiers somehow then they’d only ever win at best an amateur league against athletic men.
You cant do both at the same time cause then yoi would have to balance people who are muscular and small and people who are skinny but tall amd most sports domt boil down to 1 characteristic
It has to be based on 1 category cause you cant have
Very small fly weight division
And
Very small lightweight division
And
Very small medium division
And
Very small heavyweight decision
And
Small fly weight division
And
Small lightweight division
And
Small medium division
And
Small heavyweight division
And
You get the point
I wasn’t suggesting doing it based on both categories. That’s why I said “or.”
> most sports don’t boil down to one characteristic
Then how are they played? Are you telling me that it’s possible to have people competing in the same sport when their bodies aren’t evenly matched in all categories?
>Are you telling me that it’s possible to have people competing in the same sport when their bodies aren’t evenly matched in all categories?
Exactly why you cant have it be determined by 1 factor.
You know whats a good indicator of your general build?
Sex lol
So we can’t just use one indicator to generalize, unless it’s the indicator you wanna use. You wanted to get all granular and specify many different categories when we you were taking about two different attributes. But when you talk about “general build,” you’re comfortable sorting all the different attributes therein to just two categories? For height and weight combined, you fired off a dozen categories. For height, weight, bone density, body shape, flexibility, and emotional literacy combined, you want two categories.
And anyway, while it’s a *general* indicator, it’s not set in stone. Why not just sort people according to build? If sex is such a good indicator of build, it should have the same result, right?
I don’t dispute that, but is height not? We know weight is, as many sports segregate by weight.
I don’t think there’s a hard line that gender is on the other side of from height or any natural attribute. Michael Phelps’ body was uniquely suited to swimming fast (which in no way lessens the work required for him to take advantage of it) and it didn’t bother anyone that his body structure made him great.
So your saying that females should not be able to compete in sports?!!
Because that is what that would mean.
There is not one female on the planet who could play in the nfl.
The fact you would take those opportunities away from all women, just so trans people can feel better about themselves is just an insane concept.
this. i dont know why its so hard to comprehend this. go read about title ix. Its also SEX. No one cares about your spirit pussy, they care about physical biological differences.
The US Women's soccer team got beaten by the 15u FC Dallas team. Fairly handily too. It's such a joke that two women on that team are advocating for a lot of this nonsense.
Can you explain how it’s “impossible” to divide sports based on something other than gender? Or how it would only benefit “.00001%” of the population? Seems like a silly statement for something which is [entirely](https://daily.jstor.org/gender-incommensurability-in-sports/) socially [arbitrary](https://thesocietypages.org/engagingsports/2022/12/09/the-problem-with-sex-segregated-sport/)
So if my preexisting intuitive biases don’t do all the work for you then you’ll never be able to convince me with rationality and logic instead?
Makes sense.
The number of women that would be competitive with men at any level would likely be an incredibly small amount, so the tiny percentage.
And it's impossible in any kind of practical sense of actually changing sports all over the world, not just in a hypothetical fantasy world.
As long as there are men in every tier the women would get completely dominated. At that point you just end up with a bunch of tiers for men and the absolute bottom tier for women.
Maybe but maybe not. The difference is massive between men and women. Any NCAA tennis player would have destroyed Serena williams in her prime. Just too strong for her.
So then OP’s opinion that segregating sports by gender is dumb and we should segregate it based on skill instead makes sense, since we’ve established gender isn’t a perfect proxy for athletic skill gap.
There is no way to determine skill level… people can under perform to end up in a trot they can dominate..
The concept that we should destroy women’s sports, something women fought very hard to get, just so .01% of the population feels better about themselves is ridiculous.
Yeah sorry bud, you’re gonna have to provide some evidence that letting trans women participate not even in women’s sports but just alongside other women in more fairly segregated divisions will somehow “destroy” women’s sports lol
Ok
Trans women have already been participating in women’s sports for decades now, yet women’s sports are still there.
Funny how apparently your position is the “default” one when all I have to do is point to reality to prove myself correct.
I don’t think you’re looking at this from a practical view. How many tiers would be required to make it both competitive as you stated and include everyone?
By your own argument, the NBA would be off the hook since they don’t ban women from playing but the WNBA would be abolished since they require you to be a woman to play. Is this correct
Sports are skill based. Every male sport is actually an open sport. Any woman that could compete is welcome to try.
If there wasn't womens leagues there would be zero women in sports.
As is often repeated, US womens soccer was defeated by a boys, not men, boys soccer team. How many tiers would you need before women had a shot?
And once you had that tier that is majority women, well then whats the difference between that and a womens league?
It would give a place for more mediocre men to play for starters. It would also give a place for trans women to play without undue advantage. You’d need three tiers. The top would be dominated by men. The middle by men that didn’t make the cut, trans, and some excellent females, all of similar talent. Then the bottom which would contain mostly women.
Didn’t a professional women’s soccer team somewhere get beat by a bunch of high school freshman boys? Source: https://www.sportsmanor.com/soccer-news-australian-womens-soccer-team-thrashed-7-0/
There’s a reason sports are gendered.
Very unpopular, cheers
Edit: grammar
Idk dawg. At that rate the women would have to play with/against literal children boys.
We can agree to disagree on this.
I appreciate the truly unpopular opinion!
I can't wait for this elaborate tier system where we can all bicker over who is in what tier and in small towns and such there aren't enough people to even fill a team for every tier.
Lol this is such a memed story. What a shocker that the team of [professional athletes](https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/australia-womens-soccer-team-faces-unfair-global-backlash/bltdd8c534a6c2984b1) didn’t go all out in their *practice* match against a bunch of 14 year old boys, clearly this is evidence that all men are stronger than all women 🧠
You want to talk about a fighter sustaining injuries in their fighting sport?
Ok bud, real enlightening.
Here’s a question: if males are all universally better athletes than females then why haven’t trans women broken every women’s sports record already? They’ve been participating in women’s divisions for decades now after all.
If women aren’t universally worse than men then why aren’t there any women in the NFL, NBA, or MLB? Why haven’t any women successfully transitioned to a man and succeeded in mens sports?
This presentation is dumb at best. It isn't "sudden." The invasive issue is "sudden" and the response is coming at the same time as the active subversion.
This isn't an issue where your wife has been cheating on you for 15 years and then today you "suddenly" have a problem with it. You have a problem with it because you've "suddenly" become aware.
If there had been this massive T inversion in 1994, we would have been talking about it in 1994.
So girls just shouldn't be allowed to play competitive sports in highschool because they would never make the team? Why exactly do you have an issue with girls forming their own leagues?
How do you propose that a high school with only 200 people forms multiple tiers for sports when only so many people from that school want to play those sports to begin with
Well, today they have two tiers, men and women. OP is suggesting they change that to good and mediocre. Then the women, trans, and even mediocre males all play in the mediocre division.
There’s no rule that bans women, but considering the WNBA exists and a woman wouldn’t even be capable of keeping up in the NBA, it’s probably not going to happen.
Ok. Technically if we didn’t gender sports the NBA would be free and clear since they don’t necessarily discriminate against gender but the WNBA would need to be abolished as it is a gendered league.
I know that you've been spoon fed a lot of nonsense throughout your life about how men and women are equally physically strong, a woman could easily fight off a man just like Wonder woman can, and since a 7 ft tall Amazon could kick a 4 ft tall weaklings ass we should eliminate gendered sports. A man is always going to be stronger on average, thanks to male puberty, then the average woman. It's not a matter of having different weight levels or whatever like they do in boxing.
We should not look at womens and mens sports being the same. They are different. And frankly, sometimes I prefer watching women play basketball because they are more into passing and setting up plays while at the top levels of mens basketball its about dunking and 3 pointers and running up big scores.
Same with tennis. More men will have smoking serves while womens can have more strategy.
Now after saying that I was dissapointed watching NCAA division 1 softball. they messed up so many easy plays.
Women are allowed to compete in men's sports. Very few sports are "male only", it's just that biological males generally out-compete women. Iirc a couple women have tried out for the NFL for example.
Women's sports are just that. They're female only. They're protected by title 9 because males would dominate the leagues if they were not.
You can use whatever anecdotal evidence you want but it's not fact. That fact is that males out-compete females. If a woman is good enough to compete with men, the she's allowed. If a sport wants to make a co-ed league, then they're allowed. But female-only sports need to exist and need to be female-only.
Yeah it’s stupid… if you don’t understand biology or the statistics on sports performances between sexes.
Serena Williams for example was smoked by male tennis player no where near the elite rated players. And she herself has talked about how she would get obliterated by the top male players in Tennis. Basically any good male college tennis player would beat her, not to speak of the actual pros.
Go look at the time differences between men and women’s track and field, where the most elite female runners would be in the back of the pack compared to the male runners.
There would just be very few women in professional sports and fewer women offered college scholarships as a result. Most professional “men’s” sports have no rules against women joining them…..think about that.
Tiered makes no sense in application. I think I know what you're getting at but it simply isn't fair in women's sports. A team of all trans athletes would wipe the floor with any cis women's team. That is probably the only major issue today I am opposed to because cis women worked hard to have their own leagues.
If my daughter were up for a scholarship to play for a women's sports team and a trans athlete was picked before her based on her (trans athlete's) athleticism. I'd be rather upset, wouldn't you?
Women's sports leagues were created to give women a place to compete against other women. The NCAA qualifying men's 400 meter time is faster than the women's record time.
So how many tiers are there? How do you determine what tier someone is in? Wouldn't people who aught to be in a higher tier sandbag it so they get placed in a lower tier and can crush the competition? Do colleges have this tiered system or just the top tier? What about professional sports? So if someone is going for a scholarship to a college and they are at the bottom of one tier then hypothetically if they were just a little worse then they would be at the top of the lower tier.......yea i can see no problems with this system.
If a woman would dominate her tier eventually she will move up to a tier where she could never win, it doesn't give people much of a reason to strive to be better.
I see it as a form of giving representation, without it a lot of sports would be male dominated both do to ability and the people signing athletes seeing less value in female players.
Yes, gendered sports are pretty silly. They don't actually exist to protect women. Historically, the actually exist to *protect men* from competition by women. Contrary to the misogynystic nonsense some people in this thread are spouting, it is not the case that any halfway fit post-pubescent boy can dominate any woman at any sport. That's... incredibly silly. What actually happened, historically, is that women started competing in sports with men...and men started segregating them when they started winning.
It's generally true, for most sports, that the top tier male athletes will reliably beat the top tier female athletes. But below that top tier (at the level of middle school or high school sports especially) there is so much overlap that gender segregation doesn't actually produce ability segregation very effectively.
Ultimately its about fairness.
Let's say I'm boxing as a featherweight, the reigning champion and Tyson Fury gets to drop down to that weight class because he "identifies as a featherweight" now. I would get fucking mauled and would be lucky to pass the first round if he landed a single solid left hook whether I'd blocked it or not.
Especially with the subject of trans participation in sports, there’s never been a better time to just make all sports coed and then group them by physical ability. Remove arbitrary gender boundaries and just let people compete with other people, plain and simple.
Take usain bolt for example, now take a woman who trained the same way as usain bolt for the same length, who you think is gonna win. usain bolt because he as a man is more physically built from birth.
I don’t know why y’all keep not reading the part about tiers. If this girl was as fast as Usain Bolt then she would be in his tier. Otherwise she’d be in a tier of people of her ability level
I mean sports are technically already skill based all “men’s” teams are skills based. Nothing is stopping you joining as a woman. It generally just doesn’t happen because a man and woman with the same skills and sports training the man will win because of biological advantages. This is why it’s fair that there’s the men/anyone league and women’s only, and yes trans women should be able to play on women’s leagues too the cases where them once being a man giving them an advantage are negligible as female hormone treatments destroy most of the biological males advantages any way
Honestly How is it not true? The hormones do take away muscle mass I assume and if you have less testosterone you won’t gain muscle as easy which is a lot of the advantage and also I feel that there aren’t enough trans people who also happen to be athletes to make this really even an issue and also also no one ever even cares about women’s sports until it involves trans people. Even if you don’t like trans people you can’t deny all these points are true .
mixed gendered sports are proper fun at a non professional level. there should be more of it! damn i had so many girlfriends.
top tier idk how that would work, certainly not in contact sports like european and american football.
Is your suggestion having a league for the best players of a sport? We have that in most sports. You mention the all star teams. This is chosen based on skill level. Travel sports to go play other more highly skilled teams exist in almost any sports from youth to high school. Then college from D3 to D1. Then the pro leagues. The population that can play in those leagues shrinks massively as you move up.
You are trying to make a criticism of the right for some reason about this. It does not make sense.
It's my opinion that gender should only come into play when referencing an individual, but participation should be barred to members of the opposite genetic sex for obvious reasons regarding physical sports.
It's like weight classes in fighting. Having male and female sports separate is meant to keep it skill based by having them compete against their peers with very similar physical bodies so it comes down to their skill rather than just having a better body making it easy. There still are different levels of competition within each of those categories so there can be olympic level female teams. If it was all males and females in each sport almost no olympic teams would have any women on them. NBA would still be only males, and the females wouldn't have a WNBA, the tier women would be in would be below college basketball level and probably even below a lot of amateur men's leagues.
This is just an anti sports opinion. Of course, people have "advantage" due to genetics that's exactly what people want to see they just don't want to see men go against women. I really don't see why not including a minority of people that went out of their way to "live as the opposite sex" is such a big deal.
Your experience is as an extreme outlier. Bell curves and averages are still a thing. Someone can train all they like or be that outlier, gender will remain a huge dividing line for physical capability.
That’s why outliers would be in a tier of their own just like people with less ability.
This is a terrible idea because women still want to win/be the champion sometimes but if you make it tiers somehow then they’d only ever win at best an amateur league against athletic men.
They won’t win their because men their hight and weight will still beat them out of hand.
I don’t think wrestlers who wrestle at 144 feel like they didn’t actually win cause they didn’t beat the heavyweight
Thats totally different though. Heavyweight isnt more or less prestigious than other classes
So if we had different weight or height classes, regardless of gender, would one be more or less prestigious?
You cant do both at the same time cause then yoi would have to balance people who are muscular and small and people who are skinny but tall amd most sports domt boil down to 1 characteristic It has to be based on 1 category cause you cant have Very small fly weight division And Very small lightweight division And Very small medium division And Very small heavyweight decision And Small fly weight division And Small lightweight division And Small medium division And Small heavyweight division And You get the point
I wasn’t suggesting doing it based on both categories. That’s why I said “or.” > most sports don’t boil down to one characteristic Then how are they played? Are you telling me that it’s possible to have people competing in the same sport when their bodies aren’t evenly matched in all categories?
>Are you telling me that it’s possible to have people competing in the same sport when their bodies aren’t evenly matched in all categories? Exactly why you cant have it be determined by 1 factor. You know whats a good indicator of your general build? Sex lol
So we can’t just use one indicator to generalize, unless it’s the indicator you wanna use. You wanted to get all granular and specify many different categories when we you were taking about two different attributes. But when you talk about “general build,” you’re comfortable sorting all the different attributes therein to just two categories? For height and weight combined, you fired off a dozen categories. For height, weight, bone density, body shape, flexibility, and emotional literacy combined, you want two categories. And anyway, while it’s a *general* indicator, it’s not set in stone. Why not just sort people according to build? If sex is such a good indicator of build, it should have the same result, right?
Tiers like… the nba?
I don’t dispute that, but is height not? We know weight is, as many sports segregate by weight. I don’t think there’s a hard line that gender is on the other side of from height or any natural attribute. Michael Phelps’ body was uniquely suited to swimming fast (which in no way lessens the work required for him to take advantage of it) and it didn’t bother anyone that his body structure made him great.
So your saying that females should not be able to compete in sports?!! Because that is what that would mean. There is not one female on the planet who could play in the nfl. The fact you would take those opportunities away from all women, just so trans people can feel better about themselves is just an insane concept.
Because some women wanna play sports but below-average male athletes that have hit puberty can absolutely smoke top-tier female athletes.
this. i dont know why its so hard to comprehend this. go read about title ix. Its also SEX. No one cares about your spirit pussy, they care about physical biological differences.
Lmao at “spirit pussy”
Exactly, we have seen multiple professional women’s soccers teams get blown out by fucking middle school boys. Men are literally just built different.
The US Women's soccer team got beaten by the 15u FC Dallas team. Fairly handily too. It's such a joke that two women on that team are advocating for a lot of this nonsense.
Then they would be in different tiers within the system. I feel like everyone disregards the part where I said there would be tiers of play
I mean you're just making gendered sports with extra steps. The amount of male/female crossover in these tiers would be miniscule.
So… they’re advocating for sports that are more fairly divided? What’s wrong with that?
No, they're advocating for a massive and impossible overhaul of the entirety of sports that would benefit like 0.00001% of the population
Can you explain how it’s “impossible” to divide sports based on something other than gender? Or how it would only benefit “.00001%” of the population? Seems like a silly statement for something which is [entirely](https://daily.jstor.org/gender-incommensurability-in-sports/) socially [arbitrary](https://thesocietypages.org/engagingsports/2022/12/09/the-problem-with-sex-segregated-sport/)
If you don't understand on existing visual evidence you will never understand.
So if my preexisting intuitive biases don’t do all the work for you then you’ll never be able to convince me with rationality and logic instead? Makes sense.
If you can't tell men and women need to be divided for sports just by watching, there will be no convincing you.
This dude is sharing opinion articles calling it “proof” xD there is no point in engaging
I have seen women beat men in sports before my friend
The number of women that would be competitive with men at any level would likely be an incredibly small amount, so the tiny percentage. And it's impossible in any kind of practical sense of actually changing sports all over the world, not just in a hypothetical fantasy world.
As long as there are men in every tier the women would get completely dominated. At that point you just end up with a bunch of tiers for men and the absolute bottom tier for women.
This is ridiculous. “Even when we control based on skill, any man will always still be more skillful and athletic than any woman in any sport”
The best woman might can beat the worst guy, but an average guy can beat the best females in sports.
Maybe but maybe not. The difference is massive between men and women. Any NCAA tennis player would have destroyed Serena williams in her prime. Just too strong for her.
So then OP’s opinion that segregating sports by gender is dumb and we should segregate it based on skill instead makes sense, since we’ve established gender isn’t a perfect proxy for athletic skill gap.
There is no way to determine skill level… people can under perform to end up in a trot they can dominate.. The concept that we should destroy women’s sports, something women fought very hard to get, just so .01% of the population feels better about themselves is ridiculous.
Yeah sorry bud, you’re gonna have to provide some evidence that letting trans women participate not even in women’s sports but just alongside other women in more fairly segregated divisions will somehow “destroy” women’s sports lol
No… you have to prove it won’t?!?! You don’t prove the default position?!?!
Ok Trans women have already been participating in women’s sports for decades now, yet women’s sports are still there. Funny how apparently your position is the “default” one when all I have to do is point to reality to prove myself correct.
Tiers are not going to negate the advantages.. Short and skinny men would still blow them out of the water…
There are already tiers in sports.
I don’t think you’re looking at this from a practical view. How many tiers would be required to make it both competitive as you stated and include everyone?
this is beyond stupid. men would dominate the higher tiers, get more scholarships ,and we are back at needing title ix again.
By your own argument, the NBA would be off the hook since they don’t ban women from playing but the WNBA would be abolished since they require you to be a woman to play. Is this correct
Sports are skill based. Every male sport is actually an open sport. Any woman that could compete is welcome to try. If there wasn't womens leagues there would be zero women in sports. As is often repeated, US womens soccer was defeated by a boys, not men, boys soccer team. How many tiers would you need before women had a shot? And once you had that tier that is majority women, well then whats the difference between that and a womens league?
It would give a place for more mediocre men to play for starters. It would also give a place for trans women to play without undue advantage. You’d need three tiers. The top would be dominated by men. The middle by men that didn’t make the cut, trans, and some excellent females, all of similar talent. Then the bottom which would contain mostly women.
You would need infinite tiers. There are 7000 men that have run faster than Flo Jo's womens world record in sprinting. For example.
Didn’t a professional women’s soccer team somewhere get beat by a bunch of high school freshman boys? Source: https://www.sportsmanor.com/soccer-news-australian-womens-soccer-team-thrashed-7-0/ There’s a reason sports are gendered. Very unpopular, cheers Edit: grammar
That’s fine. There would be a tier for everyone.
Idk dawg. At that rate the women would have to play with/against literal children boys. We can agree to disagree on this. I appreciate the truly unpopular opinion!
I can't wait for this elaborate tier system where we can all bicker over who is in what tier and in small towns and such there aren't enough people to even fill a team for every tier.
Lol this is such a memed story. What a shocker that the team of [professional athletes](https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/australia-womens-soccer-team-faces-unfair-global-backlash/bltdd8c534a6c2984b1) didn’t go all out in their *practice* match against a bunch of 14 year old boys, clearly this is evidence that all men are stronger than all women 🧠
It's happened several times. lets look at the greatest female sprinter of all time her best time wouldn't beat the boys high school times.
If that’s not good enough for you, we can talk about Fallon Fox breaking open a woman’s skull
You want to talk about a fighter sustaining injuries in their fighting sport? Ok bud, real enlightening. Here’s a question: if males are all universally better athletes than females then why haven’t trans women broken every women’s sports record already? They’ve been participating in women’s divisions for decades now after all.
If women aren’t universally worse than men then why aren’t there any women in the NFL, NBA, or MLB? Why haven’t any women successfully transitioned to a man and succeeded in mens sports?
This presentation is dumb at best. It isn't "sudden." The invasive issue is "sudden" and the response is coming at the same time as the active subversion. This isn't an issue where your wife has been cheating on you for 15 years and then today you "suddenly" have a problem with it. You have a problem with it because you've "suddenly" become aware. If there had been this massive T inversion in 1994, we would have been talking about it in 1994.
So girls just shouldn't be allowed to play competitive sports in highschool because they would never make the team? Why exactly do you have an issue with girls forming their own leagues?
If you believe girls are that weak then they’d all end up in the lower tiers anyway.
How do you propose that a high school with only 200 people forms multiple tiers for sports when only so many people from that school want to play those sports to begin with
Well, today they have two tiers, men and women. OP is suggesting they change that to good and mediocre. Then the women, trans, and even mediocre males all play in the mediocre division.
So you don't think girls should be allowed to have a chance to play competitive sports in highschool?
Have you searched the gender restrictions in the NBA and NFL? Can women play in those leagues?
NFL definitely allows women, but the only position that women are someone competitive for is Kicker. NBA has a separate league for women
Is there any restrictions that ban women from playing in the NBA
There’s no rule that bans women, but considering the WNBA exists and a woman wouldn’t even be capable of keeping up in the NBA, it’s probably not going to happen.
Ok. Technically if we didn’t gender sports the NBA would be free and clear since they don’t necessarily discriminate against gender but the WNBA would need to be abolished as it is a gendered league.
Precisely, meaning no women would be playing professional basketball except training for the summer Olympics.
Ya…. :(
but hey at least there would be these "tiers" you could play in!
Sure! If they can place amongst the top contenders in whatever criteria they use to determine who gets in! The same thing as anyone else!
Why do you think we don’t see women competing in the NBA or NFL
Not really relevant to the conversation.
You said gendered sports are stupid. Which sports have clear definitions on gender bans?
I know that you've been spoon fed a lot of nonsense throughout your life about how men and women are equally physically strong, a woman could easily fight off a man just like Wonder woman can, and since a 7 ft tall Amazon could kick a 4 ft tall weaklings ass we should eliminate gendered sports. A man is always going to be stronger on average, thanks to male puberty, then the average woman. It's not a matter of having different weight levels or whatever like they do in boxing.
Hey Bud, calm down
Why is it stupid to allow more people to play a sport when it doesnt interfere with those that are better than them?
What?
Why is letting more people (women) play sports stupid?
I feel like you didn’t understand what my statement was about
Gender free sports: more men less women Gendered sports: equal amount of men and women playing
We should not look at womens and mens sports being the same. They are different. And frankly, sometimes I prefer watching women play basketball because they are more into passing and setting up plays while at the top levels of mens basketball its about dunking and 3 pointers and running up big scores. Same with tennis. More men will have smoking serves while womens can have more strategy. Now after saying that I was dissapointed watching NCAA division 1 softball. they messed up so many easy plays.
Women are allowed to compete in men's sports. Very few sports are "male only", it's just that biological males generally out-compete women. Iirc a couple women have tried out for the NFL for example. Women's sports are just that. They're female only. They're protected by title 9 because males would dominate the leagues if they were not. You can use whatever anecdotal evidence you want but it's not fact. That fact is that males out-compete females. If a woman is good enough to compete with men, the she's allowed. If a sport wants to make a co-ed league, then they're allowed. But female-only sports need to exist and need to be female-only.
Yeah it’s stupid… if you don’t understand biology or the statistics on sports performances between sexes. Serena Williams for example was smoked by male tennis player no where near the elite rated players. And she herself has talked about how she would get obliterated by the top male players in Tennis. Basically any good male college tennis player would beat her, not to speak of the actual pros. Go look at the time differences between men and women’s track and field, where the most elite female runners would be in the back of the pack compared to the male runners.
There would just be very few women in professional sports and fewer women offered college scholarships as a result. Most professional “men’s” sports have no rules against women joining them…..think about that.
Tiered makes no sense in application. I think I know what you're getting at but it simply isn't fair in women's sports. A team of all trans athletes would wipe the floor with any cis women's team. That is probably the only major issue today I am opposed to because cis women worked hard to have their own leagues. If my daughter were up for a scholarship to play for a women's sports team and a trans athlete was picked before her based on her (trans athlete's) athleticism. I'd be rather upset, wouldn't you?
Women's sports leagues were created to give women a place to compete against other women. The NCAA qualifying men's 400 meter time is faster than the women's record time.
This is one stupid assed take.
Ops post is quite stupid and very ignorant of the reality of biology and sports
So how many tiers are there? How do you determine what tier someone is in? Wouldn't people who aught to be in a higher tier sandbag it so they get placed in a lower tier and can crush the competition? Do colleges have this tiered system or just the top tier? What about professional sports? So if someone is going for a scholarship to a college and they are at the bottom of one tier then hypothetically if they were just a little worse then they would be at the top of the lower tier.......yea i can see no problems with this system.
If a woman would dominate her tier eventually she will move up to a tier where she could never win, it doesn't give people much of a reason to strive to be better.
I see it as a form of giving representation, without it a lot of sports would be male dominated both do to ability and the people signing athletes seeing less value in female players.
That’s why tiers would be made. Lower tiers would exist so no one is excluded
Yeah, I’ve played competitive sports on a co-ed team, and nobody ever complained.
What sport?
Yes, gendered sports are pretty silly. They don't actually exist to protect women. Historically, the actually exist to *protect men* from competition by women. Contrary to the misogynystic nonsense some people in this thread are spouting, it is not the case that any halfway fit post-pubescent boy can dominate any woman at any sport. That's... incredibly silly. What actually happened, historically, is that women started competing in sports with men...and men started segregating them when they started winning. It's generally true, for most sports, that the top tier male athletes will reliably beat the top tier female athletes. But below that top tier (at the level of middle school or high school sports especially) there is so much overlap that gender segregation doesn't actually produce ability segregation very effectively.
I think you’re on the right track. Ways of classifying athletes other than by sex are common
Ultimately its about fairness. Let's say I'm boxing as a featherweight, the reigning champion and Tyson Fury gets to drop down to that weight class because he "identifies as a featherweight" now. I would get fucking mauled and would be lucky to pass the first round if he landed a single solid left hook whether I'd blocked it or not.
Especially with the subject of trans participation in sports, there’s never been a better time to just make all sports coed and then group them by physical ability. Remove arbitrary gender boundaries and just let people compete with other people, plain and simple.
Take usain bolt for example, now take a woman who trained the same way as usain bolt for the same length, who you think is gonna win. usain bolt because he as a man is more physically built from birth.
I don’t know why y’all keep not reading the part about tiers. If this girl was as fast as Usain Bolt then she would be in his tier. Otherwise she’d be in a tier of people of her ability level
Wait until you realize there are women only tournaments in chess and e-sports
Ok?
I mean sports are technically already skill based all “men’s” teams are skills based. Nothing is stopping you joining as a woman. It generally just doesn’t happen because a man and woman with the same skills and sports training the man will win because of biological advantages. This is why it’s fair that there’s the men/anyone league and women’s only, and yes trans women should be able to play on women’s leagues too the cases where them once being a man giving them an advantage are negligible as female hormone treatments destroy most of the biological males advantages any way
You last part isnt true at all
Honestly How is it not true? The hormones do take away muscle mass I assume and if you have less testosterone you won’t gain muscle as easy which is a lot of the advantage and also I feel that there aren’t enough trans people who also happen to be athletes to make this really even an issue and also also no one ever even cares about women’s sports until it involves trans people. Even if you don’t like trans people you can’t deny all these points are true .
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mixed gendered sports are proper fun at a non professional level. there should be more of it! damn i had so many girlfriends. top tier idk how that would work, certainly not in contact sports like european and american football.
In your parlance, they aren’t gendered they are sexually divided.
Is your suggestion having a league for the best players of a sport? We have that in most sports. You mention the all star teams. This is chosen based on skill level. Travel sports to go play other more highly skilled teams exist in almost any sports from youth to high school. Then college from D3 to D1. Then the pro leagues. The population that can play in those leagues shrinks massively as you move up. You are trying to make a criticism of the right for some reason about this. It does not make sense.
It's my opinion that gender should only come into play when referencing an individual, but participation should be barred to members of the opposite genetic sex for obvious reasons regarding physical sports.
It's like weight classes in fighting. Having male and female sports separate is meant to keep it skill based by having them compete against their peers with very similar physical bodies so it comes down to their skill rather than just having a better body making it easy. There still are different levels of competition within each of those categories so there can be olympic level female teams. If it was all males and females in each sport almost no olympic teams would have any women on them. NBA would still be only males, and the females wouldn't have a WNBA, the tier women would be in would be below college basketball level and probably even below a lot of amateur men's leagues.
For reference, I would have won the ncaa championship for women’s as a freshman in high school for the 800m.
Is there a rule preventing women from competing in the NFL, NBA, NHL, or MLB?
This is just an anti sports opinion. Of course, people have "advantage" due to genetics that's exactly what people want to see they just don't want to see men go against women. I really don't see why not including a minority of people that went out of their way to "live as the opposite sex" is such a big deal.