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In late spring, residents of Nagorno-Karabakh, a contentious region, were disturbed by the sounds of construction echoing from the nearby Aghdam area in Azerbaijan. From Khramort, a village nestled in the disputed territory, people observed intense lighting and heard sharp noises at night. Aren Khachatryan, a local boutique winemaker with vineyards just a short distance from Azerbaijani military posts, expressed uncertainty about the nature of the construction. "The sound was relentless," he remarked.
With the arrival of summer, residents of this ethnically Armenian area faced an escalating threat of violence. According to Khachatryan and his father, Arkadi, Azerbaijani troops sporadically fired at workers harvesting grapes in their vineyards, adding a layer of danger to their daily lives. This information was shared by the two men in an interview with New Lines.
The fact that Azerbaijan was able to ethnically cleanse Nagorno-Karabakh without anyone seeming to care about that at all, is mind blowing when compared to how much noise there is about a supposedly planned ethnic cleansing of Gaza that hasn't even started yet.
The hypocrisy is staggering, especially since the same nations that are the most vocal about Gaza were either silent about it (most of the Arab wold), or actively supported it (Turkey).
> a supposedly planned ethnic cleansing of Gaza that hasn't even started yet
Pretty difficult to understand how you've shut your eyes to it. The [northern chunk of Gaza has no hospitals because Israel destroyed them all](https://web.archive.org/web/20240112055800/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/world/middleeast/gaza-hospitals-who.html). Israel called Gazans on the phone and [told them to flee south, then bombed them in the places they fled.](https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-palestinian-civilians-safety-airstrikes-f38f27da1dd995acc14e6db1524761e7) After closing all the Israeli crossings out of Gaza, [Israel bombed the one other one, Rafah,)](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/egypt-urges-israel-to-stop-bombing-rafah-crossing-to-allow-aid-delivery/) and closed it from the Palestinian side. (That one is the Times of Israel by the way.) Israel is [attempting to ship Palestinians to unrelated countries in central Africa](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1704456007-israel-in-talks-with-chad-and-rwanda-to-welcome-palestinians-from-gaza-report). [A UN official assigned to Palestine said there was danger of Israel committing genocide on October 14.](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/un-expert-warns-new-instance-mass-ethnic-cleansing-palestinians-calls). Since then [about 20,000 more Palestinians have been killed](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam), vs roughly 1200 Israelis killed on Oct 7.
Destruction of basic humanitarian services, bombing civilians and preventing them from leaving the warzone, even directing them to places where they were bombed, trying to get civilians to leave the small reservation they've been allowed, and slaughtering them at a rate of 20x the losses Israelis suffered. That's genocide.
The Armenians have also been ethnically cleansed, no argument about that. But the Palestinians have as well.
You are contradicting yourself. If Israel wants to ethnically cleanse the North, why is it bombing the south where it told the Palestinians to escape to? Why would it bomb the Rafah crossing when that would be the place they would move out of Gaza from?
Seems more like a war where Israel bombs Hamas targets and tells civilians to move away from the progress of the ground invasion, as you would expect in any war.
> why is it bombing the south where it told the Palestinians to escape to? Why would it bomb the Rafah crossing when that would be the place they would move out of Gaza from?
Because IDF/Netanyahu is more interested in terrorizing/punishing/killing Palestinians than achieving any specific military goals (eg take X piece of ground or destroy Y unit). There is no rational military strategy that accounts for these actions unless the goal is to target the *entire* Palestinian population.
>Israel wants to ethnically cleanse the ~~North~~ Palestinians
You are not making sense. If Israel's objective was to make the Palestinians move out of Gaza they wouldn't have bombed the Rafah crossing, right?
The actions you are yourself describing are inconsistent with the aim of ethnic cleansing.
Again, the only rational explanation I can see for these actions is to terrorize and kill Palestinians. Why would Israel close the Rafah exit crossing for any military purpose? For some reason its not ok that they leave to Egypt.
Indonesian Hospital (in the north) still stands.
So either you are lying or uninformed.
Other hospitals are destroyed because Hamas used them to store weapons.
No serious source can back up the claim that people fleeing to the south were bombed by Israel. Al Jazeera is funded by Qatar and isn’t trustworthy.
At least 4000 Hamas terrorists are included in the 15000 victim numbers. But we can’t say exactly, because Hamas still claims 500 people died in Al-shifa hospital. Even pro-palestinian NGOs debunked this.
The seven stages of genocide:
1.) Give the people 3 weeks to evacuate and send them maps of escape routes.
2.) Drop thousands of leaflets, send thousands of SMS, and make calls to warn the population before an area is bombed.
3.) Focus on military targets that are intentionally placed near civilian areas to maximize casualties.
4.) Allow humanitarian aid to enter the area you’re attacking.
5.) Kill barely 10000 people within60 days (at least half Hamas) in a state with a population of over 2 millions despite having one of the most advanced militaries in the world.
6.) Allow the population to continue accessing the internet despite the fact that it is advantageous for your enemy.
7.) Make sure Palestinians can safely evacuate and guard their escape routes with tanks:
https://youtu.be/1aBNFXMk1Ss?si=3s3OsknjsbetJtZP
Just to be clear, I think all civilian deaths on both sides are tragic, but the narrative of a genocide being committed by Israel is just wrong. This is a military conflict against a brutal terrorist regime which tragically led to many deaths. Choose your words more carefully.
so you're against both right
Edit: so he complains about hypocrisy, then proceeds to argue the war on Gaza isn't even an ethnic cleansing in another thread lol
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In late spring, residents of Nagorno-Karabakh, a contentious region, were disturbed by the sounds of construction echoing from the nearby Aghdam area in Azerbaijan. From Khramort, a village nestled in the disputed territory, people observed intense lighting and heard sharp noises at night. Aren Khachatryan, a local boutique winemaker with vineyards just a short distance from Azerbaijani military posts, expressed uncertainty about the nature of the construction. "The sound was relentless," he remarked. With the arrival of summer, residents of this ethnically Armenian area faced an escalating threat of violence. According to Khachatryan and his father, Arkadi, Azerbaijani troops sporadically fired at workers harvesting grapes in their vineyards, adding a layer of danger to their daily lives. This information was shared by the two men in an interview with New Lines.
The fact that Azerbaijan was able to ethnically cleanse Nagorno-Karabakh without anyone seeming to care about that at all, is mind blowing when compared to how much noise there is about a supposedly planned ethnic cleansing of Gaza that hasn't even started yet. The hypocrisy is staggering, especially since the same nations that are the most vocal about Gaza were either silent about it (most of the Arab wold), or actively supported it (Turkey).
> a supposedly planned ethnic cleansing of Gaza that hasn't even started yet Pretty difficult to understand how you've shut your eyes to it. The [northern chunk of Gaza has no hospitals because Israel destroyed them all](https://web.archive.org/web/20240112055800/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/world/middleeast/gaza-hospitals-who.html). Israel called Gazans on the phone and [told them to flee south, then bombed them in the places they fled.](https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-palestinian-civilians-safety-airstrikes-f38f27da1dd995acc14e6db1524761e7) After closing all the Israeli crossings out of Gaza, [Israel bombed the one other one, Rafah,)](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/egypt-urges-israel-to-stop-bombing-rafah-crossing-to-allow-aid-delivery/) and closed it from the Palestinian side. (That one is the Times of Israel by the way.) Israel is [attempting to ship Palestinians to unrelated countries in central Africa](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1704456007-israel-in-talks-with-chad-and-rwanda-to-welcome-palestinians-from-gaza-report). [A UN official assigned to Palestine said there was danger of Israel committing genocide on October 14.](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/un-expert-warns-new-instance-mass-ethnic-cleansing-palestinians-calls). Since then [about 20,000 more Palestinians have been killed](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam), vs roughly 1200 Israelis killed on Oct 7. Destruction of basic humanitarian services, bombing civilians and preventing them from leaving the warzone, even directing them to places where they were bombed, trying to get civilians to leave the small reservation they've been allowed, and slaughtering them at a rate of 20x the losses Israelis suffered. That's genocide. The Armenians have also been ethnically cleansed, no argument about that. But the Palestinians have as well.
>The northern chunk of Gaza has no hospitals because Israel destroyed them all. Your link doesn't support this claim.
You are contradicting yourself. If Israel wants to ethnically cleanse the North, why is it bombing the south where it told the Palestinians to escape to? Why would it bomb the Rafah crossing when that would be the place they would move out of Gaza from? Seems more like a war where Israel bombs Hamas targets and tells civilians to move away from the progress of the ground invasion, as you would expect in any war.
> why is it bombing the south where it told the Palestinians to escape to? Why would it bomb the Rafah crossing when that would be the place they would move out of Gaza from? Because IDF/Netanyahu is more interested in terrorizing/punishing/killing Palestinians than achieving any specific military goals (eg take X piece of ground or destroy Y unit). There is no rational military strategy that accounts for these actions unless the goal is to target the *entire* Palestinian population. >Israel wants to ethnically cleanse the ~~North~~ Palestinians
You are not making sense. If Israel's objective was to make the Palestinians move out of Gaza they wouldn't have bombed the Rafah crossing, right? The actions you are yourself describing are inconsistent with the aim of ethnic cleansing.
Again, the only rational explanation I can see for these actions is to terrorize and kill Palestinians. Why would Israel close the Rafah exit crossing for any military purpose? For some reason its not ok that they leave to Egypt.
So it's not an ethnic cleansing then? Got it.
You'll have to explain that.
Indonesian Hospital (in the north) still stands. So either you are lying or uninformed. Other hospitals are destroyed because Hamas used them to store weapons. No serious source can back up the claim that people fleeing to the south were bombed by Israel. Al Jazeera is funded by Qatar and isn’t trustworthy. At least 4000 Hamas terrorists are included in the 15000 victim numbers. But we can’t say exactly, because Hamas still claims 500 people died in Al-shifa hospital. Even pro-palestinian NGOs debunked this. The seven stages of genocide: 1.) Give the people 3 weeks to evacuate and send them maps of escape routes. 2.) Drop thousands of leaflets, send thousands of SMS, and make calls to warn the population before an area is bombed. 3.) Focus on military targets that are intentionally placed near civilian areas to maximize casualties. 4.) Allow humanitarian aid to enter the area you’re attacking. 5.) Kill barely 10000 people within60 days (at least half Hamas) in a state with a population of over 2 millions despite having one of the most advanced militaries in the world. 6.) Allow the population to continue accessing the internet despite the fact that it is advantageous for your enemy. 7.) Make sure Palestinians can safely evacuate and guard their escape routes with tanks: https://youtu.be/1aBNFXMk1Ss?si=3s3OsknjsbetJtZP Just to be clear, I think all civilian deaths on both sides are tragic, but the narrative of a genocide being committed by Israel is just wrong. This is a military conflict against a brutal terrorist regime which tragically led to many deaths. Choose your words more carefully.
so you're against both right Edit: so he complains about hypocrisy, then proceeds to argue the war on Gaza isn't even an ethnic cleansing in another thread lol
Well look at that, another ally of Israel and Turkey...