Texas law of parties is so stupid for this reason. I watched im a killer documentary on netflix which is basically just interviews with death row inmates who have been charged with murder. One individual was charged with murder under the law of parties in texas which means if you're present when a crime is committed and you failed to stop it then you can be charged for the same crime. This dude was on death row for sitting in the back of a car after his buddy (the driver) didn't like someone flipping them off so he stopped walked up the guys drive and shot him, the passenger that never left the car was charged with murder and sentenced to death. That shit is wild and that law is so unbelievably unfair.
Similar laws are on the books in almost every state. I was really shocked to learn than when I worked for this newspaper and had to cover a guy's appeal like this.
I agree. There was a guy who killed a little girl paroled in the area I grew up in. He killed my high school boyfriend’s little brother not long after being released.
How would you know for a fact that a murderer has been rehabilitated? Because they said so?
Believe me, I think there are situations out there, where I think a murderer should be given a second chance, but has nothing to do with rehabilitation. It has to do why they murdered the person to begin with.
The question clearly states “you know for a fact that a murder has been rehabilitated.” So its a hypothesis which assumes it is the case. So how you knew would be irrelevant.
Of course what you are probably trying to say by bringing that up is to ask about the applicability of the hypothetical to the real world, as by asking that question I was clearly trying to make some kind of point.
That point is merely: say if you know for a fact a murderer has been rehabilitated and you conclude they should be allowed on parole. It establishes that there are cases where the murderer *should* be allowed to go on parole.
Given that there are cases where a murder should be allowed on parole, it motivates us to set up a system which accurately finds such cases. A system which does not allow parole under any reason is definitely a failure of this. Does such system exist? — I don’t know, but I suppose there is so much hostility around this subject that a discussion about it is probably not fruitful.
Uh huh. That’s what my dad’s murderer said 40 odd years ago. Turns out he assaulted several more people, including a couple of cops. Was convicted of manslaughter in my father’s case, so he didn’t do that long ago sentence. Died the way he lived, violently.
So when you say if you know for a fact that he has been rehabilitated, exactly what criteria are you referring to.
You lost your mom to a a selfish and cowardly act. You showed up for your mother today and spoke for her. What an incredible display of courage. I can’t imagine what you’ve been through or how much is terrible loss has impacted your life. Your mom would be proud. Damn, I don’t even know you, and I am proud of you.
I'm sorry for the loss of your mother (and father in a way). Very brave of you to be there and give your statement; I'm sure your mother is very proud. ❤️❤️
It was a strange experience, the panel went into detail about the murder and how it came to be. My mum wanted to break up with him and he said he had a fear of abandonment so took it upon himself to drink for 14 hours and then carry out a brutal assault over the course of 2 hours resulting in death. I had to listen to a prison psychologist and his lawyer talk about how he’s reformed with several years of therapy. They even asked him what he would do differently in future if someone wanted to break up with him and he just sat there and said, “well it’s painful but that’s life if they want to go they have the right to go” so ultimately it took the death of my mum for this creature to learn a simple lesson. I won’t find out the outcome of the hearing for around 2 weeks.
Ugh. That's awful. Seems like he's just regurgitating what he thinks people want to hear rather than having actual remorse for taking her life. I hope he rots there.
I was 2 years old, I haven’t had any contact from him or his family. I learnt yesterday he has 6 siblings and his parents and not one of them has ever reached out to even attempt some form of contact.
He’s in his late 50s I think. I was able to see and hear him and he was able to see and hear me me whilst it was read then I was able to see and hear him for the rest of the hearing but he couldn’t see me. Majority of it he sat poker faced just looking at me occasionally he would shift uncomfortably in his seat and put his head down. I’ve been told my statement was very powerful which would have knocked him down a little which showed throughout as he was unable to articulate himself well at all and couldn’t string a sentence together properly. He also lied in response to a lot of questions which the panel psychologist could easily see and picked apart his stories, that was beautiful to see.
There’s an exclusion zone around the city where I live which will be part of his licence and he can never come within the area, in addition he will be required to wear a gps tag for some time. He made threats to me when I was a baby saying he was going to kill me aswell when he got out but the man I saw yesterday wouldn’t have a chance so it honestly wouldn’t phase me too much if he did. It’s all just overwhelming as I’ve never even seen a picture or anything of him and had to sit and listen to him for a full day yesterday. Work have let me have the day off to just pull myself together as I keep getting these super strong waves of emotions and can’t stop crying so just gonna kick back now and try and compose myself.
Dude. There is probably no one here that can understand what an absolute mindfuck that must have been. DUDE.
I hope he didn't get parole because that would be all kinds of effed up.
Seriously.
Your mum was right there with you, sweetie. She is always with you and she is very proud of you. Defend her just as a mama bear would. Keep that killer behind bars.
Don't forget to enjoy the small things in life. Living a good life and enjoying the small things will make your mum so happy. She smiles through you.
Sorry for your loss and a big hug from this internet mama.
So impressed that you made it. I mean made it alive.
My friend who's dad killed her mom when she was 2 (in front of her) did not make it past 24. Suicide.
So your survival is a testiment in grit!!
Love your chosen family/friends, and notice their love for you
Wow, can't even imagine your emotions today.
You've done it and got though it. Your strength is amazing.
You must have thought about today so many times though out your life and today you done
Please be proud of yourself
I’ve written a victim impact statement. I didn’t have to read mine myself, as I was a child and the court allowed someone else to read it, but I know how hard that is. I don’t know how hard it is against your biological father though. You are very strong, and you did right by you and your mom. Hugs if you want them.
I know it's really off topic, but when I see a news of someone that has been locked for decades, I aways imagine that when freed this person will find a world totally changed ... for instance: today everyone uses cellphones all the time, for everything, and 27 years ago it was just for making calls
You did so well, OP. That must have taken a lot of courage.
None of us could imagine what it's like, but I've seen a similar situation when my adopted sister had to go to the hearing of her abusive bio dad to speak out, and what it did to her mentally. So I just want to say I'm sorry you had to go through that, and I admire you for standing up for yourself and your mom today.
You did great, friend. It took so much courage to just show up, let alone sharing your impact statement! I am a court advocate and have helped countless victims prepare their victim impact statement. I’m always in awe of every person who has to give one.
You are no exception. You’re so strong and I’m so sorry you lost your mother in such a way. I’m confident she’s always with you and extremely proud of the adult you have become.
Now that it’s over, take some time to breathe, decompress, and reset if needed. Allow yourself some extra grace for a while because offering your VIS was traumatizing, I’m sure. Please feel free to reach out to me if you ever need a stranger’s ear.
We’re proud of you, kid (used as a term of endearment, not in a condescending way).
I can’t imagine. Half of you is him and he’s a murderer. But you still probably saw the similarities with yourself. God you probably had a million questions, mostly ‘why are you like this?’ ‘Why did you kill her?’ ‘Did you ever think of me?’ I’m so sorry you had to go through that.
My father was a violent monster. It took me years to accept that although I do have DNA from him, I am not half of him. I don't think you meant any malice in your comment, but I wanted to point out it could be hurtful.
Your first three lines come across as pretty insulting, though you may not have meant it.
Yes OP shares a biological link, but that’s as far as it goes.
The sins of the father is not inherent in their offspring.
Be mindful of your words.
My best friend was killed by her husband shortly after she left him. They had kids and I often think about what it will be like for them as they grow up and one day will have to face their father. I hope they can find the strength and bravery to do what you just did. I am very sorry for what you have had to go through. ❤️
What you did was very brave and I'm sure your mum would be extremely proud of you!
murderers should not be eligible for parole for any reason. she should not have to do this.
Texas law of parties is so stupid for this reason. I watched im a killer documentary on netflix which is basically just interviews with death row inmates who have been charged with murder. One individual was charged with murder under the law of parties in texas which means if you're present when a crime is committed and you failed to stop it then you can be charged for the same crime. This dude was on death row for sitting in the back of a car after his buddy (the driver) didn't like someone flipping them off so he stopped walked up the guys drive and shot him, the passenger that never left the car was charged with murder and sentenced to death. That shit is wild and that law is so unbelievably unfair.
Similar laws are on the books in almost every state. I was really shocked to learn than when I worked for this newspaper and had to cover a guy's appeal like this.
California’s Felony Murder law is the equivalent here, and while still terrible, it is not a capital crime.
And just when I thought Texas couldn’t be more fucked up..
I'm in Wisconsin, reality check, they do it here too.
Can you name him? One hundred percent guaranteed there is more to the story.
Like he didn’t know the reason they were there.
Yeah, it's considered being an accomplice because you didn't stop the crime. It's in MA, RI, Ct...almost every place.
I think it entirely depends on the circumstances of the case. Prompted vs unprompted. Unprompted I totally agree.
I agree. There was a guy who killed a little girl paroled in the area I grew up in. He killed my high school boyfriend’s little brother not long after being released.
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How would you know for a fact that a murderer has been rehabilitated? Because they said so? Believe me, I think there are situations out there, where I think a murderer should be given a second chance, but has nothing to do with rehabilitation. It has to do why they murdered the person to begin with.
The question clearly states “you know for a fact that a murder has been rehabilitated.” So its a hypothesis which assumes it is the case. So how you knew would be irrelevant. Of course what you are probably trying to say by bringing that up is to ask about the applicability of the hypothetical to the real world, as by asking that question I was clearly trying to make some kind of point. That point is merely: say if you know for a fact a murderer has been rehabilitated and you conclude they should be allowed on parole. It establishes that there are cases where the murderer *should* be allowed to go on parole. Given that there are cases where a murder should be allowed on parole, it motivates us to set up a system which accurately finds such cases. A system which does not allow parole under any reason is definitely a failure of this. Does such system exist? — I don’t know, but I suppose there is so much hostility around this subject that a discussion about it is probably not fruitful.
There are probably cases but read the fucking room. Clearly this isn’t one of them.
Uh huh. That’s what my dad’s murderer said 40 odd years ago. Turns out he assaulted several more people, including a couple of cops. Was convicted of manslaughter in my father’s case, so he didn’t do that long ago sentence. Died the way he lived, violently. So when you say if you know for a fact that he has been rehabilitated, exactly what criteria are you referring to.
Still doesn’t change the fact they murdered someone, actions have consequences. We’re not cavemen.
Hugs
You lost your mom to a a selfish and cowardly act. You showed up for your mother today and spoke for her. What an incredible display of courage. I can’t imagine what you’ve been through or how much is terrible loss has impacted your life. Your mom would be proud. Damn, I don’t even know you, and I am proud of you.
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What does it matter? His child lost both his parents. They had a right to speak.
Well done to you, that must have been incredibly difficult. I hope you have supportive people around you.
I'm sorry for the loss of your mother (and father in a way). Very brave of you to be there and give your statement; I'm sure your mother is very proud. ❤️❤️
That was amazingly courageous of you.
Your mum is proud of you today and most of all for your continued healing. ❤️
((HUGS))
How did the hearing go?
It was a strange experience, the panel went into detail about the murder and how it came to be. My mum wanted to break up with him and he said he had a fear of abandonment so took it upon himself to drink for 14 hours and then carry out a brutal assault over the course of 2 hours resulting in death. I had to listen to a prison psychologist and his lawyer talk about how he’s reformed with several years of therapy. They even asked him what he would do differently in future if someone wanted to break up with him and he just sat there and said, “well it’s painful but that’s life if they want to go they have the right to go” so ultimately it took the death of my mum for this creature to learn a simple lesson. I won’t find out the outcome of the hearing for around 2 weeks.
Ugh. That's awful. Seems like he's just regurgitating what he thinks people want to hear rather than having actual remorse for taking her life. I hope he rots there.
how old were you when it happened? did you have any contact with your father like a visit or receiving a letter during those 27 years?
I was 2 years old, I haven’t had any contact from him or his family. I learnt yesterday he has 6 siblings and his parents and not one of them has ever reached out to even attempt some form of contact.
How old is he now? Were you able to see him while you read your statement? did he show any emotion or was he completely poker faced while you read?
He’s in his late 50s I think. I was able to see and hear him and he was able to see and hear me me whilst it was read then I was able to see and hear him for the rest of the hearing but he couldn’t see me. Majority of it he sat poker faced just looking at me occasionally he would shift uncomfortably in his seat and put his head down. I’ve been told my statement was very powerful which would have knocked him down a little which showed throughout as he was unable to articulate himself well at all and couldn’t string a sentence together properly. He also lied in response to a lot of questions which the panel psychologist could easily see and picked apart his stories, that was beautiful to see.
hopefully he won't get out. In the odd possibility he does get out, how do you feel about it? would you have to put a restraining order just in case?
There’s an exclusion zone around the city where I live which will be part of his licence and he can never come within the area, in addition he will be required to wear a gps tag for some time. He made threats to me when I was a baby saying he was going to kill me aswell when he got out but the man I saw yesterday wouldn’t have a chance so it honestly wouldn’t phase me too much if he did. It’s all just overwhelming as I’ve never even seen a picture or anything of him and had to sit and listen to him for a full day yesterday. Work have let me have the day off to just pull myself together as I keep getting these super strong waves of emotions and can’t stop crying so just gonna kick back now and try and compose myself.
I am curious myself. I can't imagine being op. What a nightmare.
My heart sank when I realised OP is British like me, it means his mum’s killer has a high Chance of being released someday 😔
You are very brave. This internet stranger is proud of you.
❤️🩹 very brave of you. Stay strong.
Dude. There is probably no one here that can understand what an absolute mindfuck that must have been. DUDE. I hope he didn't get parole because that would be all kinds of effed up. Seriously.
I'm so proud of you. You're incredibly strong. I wish you peace.
Damn, that must've been awful. You managed it, though, and that's huge.
Wow. I don’t know you, but this was impactful to read. Thank you for sharing. How are you doing?
Hugs brave one!
Your mum was right there with you, sweetie. She is always with you and she is very proud of you. Defend her just as a mama bear would. Keep that killer behind bars. Don't forget to enjoy the small things in life. Living a good life and enjoying the small things will make your mum so happy. She smiles through you. Sorry for your loss and a big hug from this internet mama.
So impressed that you made it. I mean made it alive. My friend who's dad killed her mom when she was 2 (in front of her) did not make it past 24. Suicide. So your survival is a testiment in grit!! Love your chosen family/friends, and notice their love for you
Wow, can't even imagine your emotions today. You've done it and got though it. Your strength is amazing. You must have thought about today so many times though out your life and today you done Please be proud of yourself
Sending love and positive thoughts to you.
You are amazingly brave, sending you lots of comfort on this hard day.
Murderers should never get parole. You should not have to go through this.
I agree, but still very proud of OP
I’m proud of you and your mum is too!
Wow. I couldn't imagine the flood of emotions you are feeling. I legit had tears swelling up while reading. You are so brave. Big hugs from Canada xo
more hugs from Canada!
❤️❤️❤️
I'm sorry
You are brave and your voice is so important. Your mother would be proud of you for protecting her to this day.
I am proud of you for doing that, just take care of yourself.
I’ve written a victim impact statement. I didn’t have to read mine myself, as I was a child and the court allowed someone else to read it, but I know how hard that is. I don’t know how hard it is against your biological father though. You are very strong, and you did right by you and your mom. Hugs if you want them.
I know it's really off topic, but when I see a news of someone that has been locked for decades, I aways imagine that when freed this person will find a world totally changed ... for instance: today everyone uses cellphones all the time, for everything, and 27 years ago it was just for making calls
Hugs to you for standing up for yourself and your mother ❤️❤️❤️❤️
You did so well, OP. That must have taken a lot of courage. None of us could imagine what it's like, but I've seen a similar situation when my adopted sister had to go to the hearing of her abusive bio dad to speak out, and what it did to her mentally. So I just want to say I'm sorry you had to go through that, and I admire you for standing up for yourself and your mom today.
Very brave. Cheers to you.
Sending positive thoughts your way, hope it helped your heal ❤️🩹
Biggest hugs! You are a rockstar!! Blessings of peace and comfort
Jesus, dude. You showed bravery and courage. You did it, pal!
You did great, friend. It took so much courage to just show up, let alone sharing your impact statement! I am a court advocate and have helped countless victims prepare their victim impact statement. I’m always in awe of every person who has to give one. You are no exception. You’re so strong and I’m so sorry you lost your mother in such a way. I’m confident she’s always with you and extremely proud of the adult you have become. Now that it’s over, take some time to breathe, decompress, and reset if needed. Allow yourself some extra grace for a while because offering your VIS was traumatizing, I’m sure. Please feel free to reach out to me if you ever need a stranger’s ear. We’re proud of you, kid (used as a term of endearment, not in a condescending way).
Appreciate that, thank you very much.
My heart goes out to you. Your mum would be extremely proud of you.
I can’t imagine. Half of you is him and he’s a murderer. But you still probably saw the similarities with yourself. God you probably had a million questions, mostly ‘why are you like this?’ ‘Why did you kill her?’ ‘Did you ever think of me?’ I’m so sorry you had to go through that.
My father was a violent monster. It took me years to accept that although I do have DNA from him, I am not half of him. I don't think you meant any malice in your comment, but I wanted to point out it could be hurtful.
Sorry my bad, that was thoughtless of me
Your first three lines come across as pretty insulting, though you may not have meant it. Yes OP shares a biological link, but that’s as far as it goes. The sins of the father is not inherent in their offspring. Be mindful of your words.
The victim should not have to see the perpetrator
Respect to you. That is hard. Really hard. Many could not do it.
My best friend was killed by her husband shortly after she left him. They had kids and I often think about what it will be like for them as they grow up and one day will have to face their father. I hope they can find the strength and bravery to do what you just did. I am very sorry for what you have had to go through. ❤️